AFRICA BIG FIVE (Africa 2.0 + Class 10 Weapons) 🇿🇼🇿🇦

[mortal rain]

You wont catch me or anyone else here dead with a .300WM on a elephant hunt.

[dire prism]

or the .338 even since it is so weak it's obv .338 win mag

man I wish .338 was buffed to like .338 ultra mag specs, would justify it as a 7-9 rifle while .300 mag can be moved down to 5-8 or something.

also move both bison down to class 8; they may be tough animals IRL but i don't think they're much tougher than moose, and they certainly don't approach yak/water buff/cape buff

[mortal rain]

Bison aren’t even tough, I trust .308 to get them done.

[ripe palm]

If you stay within the 'Effective Range' of the cartridge you should be fine.

[mortal rain]

.300WM vs Elephant is going to lead to someone getting killed and it’s not going to be the elephant.

[ripe palm]

Tehehehe 🤭🤫

[dusky oak]

Yes, a .577 tyrannosaur 🗿

Possible, but unlikely. It is a game. Maybe it'll inspire people to hunt legally in Africa. But the company appears to be on board with adding controversial animals with the release of Sundar

[patent agate]

Try an elephant with a .300 and you will be laughed at by the ph, possibly slapped and taken back to the airport

[mighty rampart]

Nothing wrong with hunting in Africa.

Don’t know where this stupid notion has come from

[untold maple]

Anti hunter groups that painted hunting in Africa as unsporting, or just morally wrong…it’s stupid

[potent stump]

If they do Africa 2.0 I just hope they DON'T add any annoying eurasian widgeon

[dire prism]

turn down the birds

we should get that trending lol

[mortal rain]

Depends on the map, Africa no, Greenland yeah.

[dire prism]

I mean like volume wise

[manic vigil]

idk if this is unrelated to this chat or not (probably not unrelated because one of the big five animals are elephants), but happy World Elephant Day y'all!

[mortal rain]

Woooooo!

[tranquil phoenix]

@mighty rampart congratulations mate this is by far the biggest accomplishment on this server and an amazing one at that I feel bummed out to have missed out on this moment but I'm back now

AFRICA 2.0 🌍 🌍 🌍 🇧🇼🇿🇦🇿🇼🇿🇲🇳🇦🇲🇿!!!!!!!!!!!!!💪💪💪🐃🦒🦏🦛🐘🐆🦁

[late pond]

😭 I was so excited for the pk this year. I really want the 450Bush & 375H&H.

[mighty rampart]

It will come in good time, at least we know that we are getting a proper African hunting rifle

[late pond]

I want it for Elk, Moose, & Bear personally. But if Africa 2.0 has more predators I'm defn. in. But your right its just the suspense is killing me 😆

I'd love the 375H&H in a Mauser 98 Anniversary such a gorgeous rifle. https://freerangeamerican.us/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/MauserRifle2-1-2048x926.jpg

[mighty rampart]

Looks awesome

[patent agate]

Hmm

[patent agate]

Would be nice if they'd included how far it went into the shoulder but still cool

[warped grail]

I'd like a 458 Win Mag

375 would be perfect for 6-9 as it's used irl

[dire flume]

I would hope that this is at least in the planning stage if not development if not they are gonna kill their game with pointless USA maps

[untold maple]

Art by ILSE

[mighty rampart]

Amazing art

[final current]

Really dude

[untold maple]

Yeah but this is a deferent thread on a different subject, please keep the conversation about African related subjects

[dusky oak]

Does it matter? General isn't particularly on topic. Views don't need to be stifled just because you don't like them

[mighty rampart]

Would appreciate if you remove this, my thread is not a advertisement board👍🏻

Although I do agree that we have enough American maps, bar the arctic

[patent agate]

I want hippos so frikin much, imagine that on the wall in the African lodge

[late pond]

Related to future content I wouldn't mind additional PCP Big Bores like the .50cal or .72cal - Umarex or Aea. The Umarex Hammer .50cal is capable of taking down Eland so I don't see why not.

[patent agate]

Airforce Texan would be cool. Saw blackbuck and whitetail hunts with it. 50 cal iirc

[shell mesa]

This is probably the best suggestion I have seen yet along side the Argentina waterfowl reserve👍👍👍🥶🥶🥶

[noble knot]

Man I followed this at like 300 likes and now it’s at 1034 wild

Congrats to Wellington what a legend

[shell mesa]

Fr

[strange viper]

I'll probably expand the river a bit before the dam or make the river behind it a bit drier

[shell mesa]

That looks absolutely insane 👍👍

[mighty rampart]

Looks better every time I see it

[manic vigil]

where did you get the icons and stuff from? thought about making my own map concepts in general

[mighty rampart]

Bit of an ask, but maybe add some species ranges in a translucent overlay?

Could be useful to determine where we find X species

[strange viper]

I made everything from scratch, nothing was downloaded for the making of this map (except the original map ofc (#1195097534239088720 message)

[strange viper]

I'm not as knowledgeable when it comes to ideal habitats for these animals and their actual potential, so I'll leave for someone who's a bit more experienced :)

[manic vigil]

ah ok

[mighty rampart]

Say we do different coloured overlays for different species.

Elephants inhabiting the NW of the map in Nyota

Lions prevalent in most of the centeral regions, but not the mountains.

Leopards in all regions as those buggers get everywhere. Same with hyenas

Hippos on river areas in the north half of map

White Rhinos at bottom of centeral Savannah

Giraffes centeral Savannah, along with Zebra and blue wildBeasts, Impala.

Greater kudu in same region as elephants

Honey badgers in more higher areas

[mighty rampart]

These are just rough ideas

[mystic token]

I made some for a couple species when I just made the map before junbra completely innovated the map

of course these are how I myself imagined it, no discussions were made on the topic yet

just ignore the outpost and lookout point icons as they have been changed of course in junbra's version, as well as any other changes that have happened since this version of the map

[untold maple]

I would put Kudu in the mountain regions.

[mystic token]

also what an improvement of a map concept even though I do say so myself

[mighty rampart]

Heat maps look good, ideally want elephants on the north as that’s above the dam line. Will be lots of lush areas of thick green vegetation

[mystic token]

also by all means, hippo night time feed zones (00:00-04:00) a couple hundred meters away from the river

[mystic token]

is that a micro galil in his hand? bro is absolutely done for if any animal decides to end him ☠️☠️☠️

[mighty rampart]

It’s a dashprod, like an AK style rifle firing a 5.56

[dire prism]

Was boutta say, looks like an AKS-74U with polymer furniture chambered in 5.56

[mystic token]

the buttstock paired with it's magazine have managed to fool me

[untold maple]

Earlier in the stream Jaxy mentioned how this got 1,000 likes

[glad loom]

If you get a chance, I would like to see that map expanded a little bit, cause it looks really, really good, it's just I want them to take their time on this map and make it feel really big

[manic vigil]

does anyone have a clip of this?

[buoyant cosmos]

I have a feeling that this may be the next map. We know that EW is willing to add species that are typically labeled as controversial, and elephants fit perfectly into that slot. Plus, there’s plenty of support backing this map.

[noble knot]

there will be a lot of waiting though 😔

[untold maple]

Here’s hoping.

I have been waiting years for a second African map

[dusky oak]

Real?

[plucky quarry]

a lot of money involved that people are desperate to spend, they certainly know that after tiger

support for the map and suggested animals is explosive, especially in popularity 💸 💸💸.
We're going to reach 1500 votes in a few months, new target

[dire flume]

Their excuse of we have to see y’all’s support is bs becuase there weee people asking for Africa 2.0 before vorhonga was released

[dusky oak]

I think Arctic is next imo

[lucid flame]

If that happens I wish they make this into a quick second if artic goes first

[main knot]

i think arctic, then either this or maybe some middle east map with marco polo or something

[dusky oak]

Yes

[final current]

Marco Polo Sheep are Central Asia, not Middle East

[main knot]

you know what i mean lol

[patent agate]

I know this would require a massive update on its own, just to get the map added but I sincerely hope we have a weapon rework before this comes out. I mean new ammo and better class system kind of update.

Also, a map this big and this badly wanted could probably introduce multiple weapons on its own. We'll have a .375 by the time this comes out but there are several other amazing rifles that could come with this

[mortal rain]

I do recall Jaxy saying Africa 2.0 is not on the road map (which extends to 2027 if I’m not mistaken). Although, they could be lying

[patent agate]

Their plans may have changed considering how much support this thread has gathered nothing else had even come close to how active this thread has been

[mighty rampart]

Road maps for EW last 14 months, was confirmed on stream by the devs a few months ago

[untold maple]

Yeah towards the beginning of the stream

[late pond]

I've been looking and I'd like your thoughts on these as possible Africa 2.0 predators: T: 2 Caracal & Serval, T: 3 Honey Badger, T: 6 Spotted Hyenas, T: 7 or 9 Leopard(?), T: 9 Nile Crocodile.

[untold maple]

I know you asked for Wellington, but I say 9 for Nile Crocs

[late pond]

I can agree to that since I just posted a reclass thread recently with Salt crocs to 9.

[warped grail]

Leopards should be more a 6

[patent agate]

Absolutely would not stand under that thing, my luck the chain the would break and drop it on me

[late pond]

I originally was thinking 7

Idk what do all of you think a Leopard should be Tiered under realistically?

[mighty rampart]

7-8

[shell mesa]

Can anyone link the original post so I can get back up to the top, can't even remember what the species were supposed to be lol

[plucky quarry]

I would rate it 7 for alligator, 8 for Nile crocodile and 9 for saltwater crocodile as it is a much heavier animal.

and I think it would give more class variety for hunt

[late pond]

thank you & your thoughts on the others I suggested?

[patent agate]

This could literally be the first reserve with multiple weapon additions, classic Safari rifles and modern ones both. Wouldn't mind seeing them as rewards for side missions. Like a single shot being offered fro a series of one shot kill missions, a double for close ranges and a general bolt action

[mighty rampart]

Happy with them all, the general view I have on predators is that the clavier they are assigned should not necessarily only factor in their mass, but also the risk they pose to a hunter. You want an assurance that you can put something down and not have it keep going. To murrr you

[late pond]

True. I figured I'd suggest around 6 or so predators ranging from T: 2, 3, 6, 7, & 9 classes that are native to Africa to coincide with the new reserve as well as possible adds later to the Savanna reserve. Between these 6 n the 2 in Savanna I would be a lot more inclined to play them. Plus, it's a lot more natural in an ecosystem for a balance & feels more Authentic.

[shell mesa]

I think this is a good idea especially if the map has a somewhat lengthy amount of missions you could manage to fit this and mission animals I think someone said like maneating lions and an old bull elephant who was causing problems, could be a really cool way to introduce some of the weapons before unlocking them fully

[patent agate]

The idea is that the maps side missions come with a good reward cause we've had to wait so long. That double I mentioned? Reward from an old time PH with trouble animals, you drop an old rogue bull elephant and he figures you've earned it. The Single shot could be from the land owner or something like that, you help out enough times and he thinks you're good enough to earn it. Something that makes the missions and backtracking or hassles worth it

[manic vigil]

i might make my own map idea for Africa 2.0 and post it here later. idk yet tho

[late pond]

Cuarto did this with the Rayo it was lengthy n a pain but so rewarding after to get it. You also got the 22-250 in EC, the pump shotgun Rancho Campaign, & the 577 in nepal as a side mission.

[shell mesa]

Hell yeah definitely a better idea than mine lol

[patent agate]

The rayo was murder to get and not much of a reward because of the cartridge. I'm hoping they'll do us right this time around

[late pond]

I love the Rayo but it needs a serious rework like I suggested in my thread. But I agree it was torture to get but I cant help but love it.

[patent agate]

Anybody with experience in Africa, I gotta ask, how were the bugs? I just talked with a SA tourist and he said body armor wouldn't help lol

[mighty rampart]

Fine during the winter, but lots more mozzies, scorpions, spiders etc in the summer months

Also depends on how high up you are

[untold maple]

Winter is definitely the time to go

Saw cool spiky spider that looked like it crawled out of a horror film…also stumbled into a tick nest and had a couple go into my beard but all in all bug problem wasn’t that bad

[mighty rampart]

Lol

[patent agate]

I'm fine with bugs, they're just a fact of life. What worries me is the thorns, I've gotten tangled in enough greenbrier to make a fence for the YO ranch

[untold maple]

Wear boots with a good soul, and don’t grab a branch with your hands. So many people complain about the thorns but I wasn’t too bothered by them

[leaden wave]

As a north Canadian I can tell you I HATE bugs especially when the blackflies, deerflies, horseflies and mosquitos all gang up now obviously I think the mosquitos in Africa are bigger and have more nasty stuff they can transfer but blackflies are the Bain of my existence

[dire prism]

you ever heard of the Greater Prairie Robberfly?

[leaden wave]

Yup thank god I only go in Saskatchewan when it's too cold for them

They are the ones that are larvae layers like botflies but worse right?

Or are robberflies the ones that eat dragonflies and have a septic bite

[dire prism]

thank God is right cause those things are the devil 💀

for those who aren't aware, the Giant Prairie Robber Fly is a 2-3 inch long carnivorous fly that kills with a neurotoxin;

While nonthreatening to people the bites hurt like hell and they kill and eat horseflies, deerflies, grasshoppers, locusts, cicadas, crickets, butterflies, dragonflies, and adult hummingbirds

[leaden wave]

Okay yeah the battery biters because being bitten feels like someone injected battery acid into your wound

[dire prism]

yup, them

[leaden wave]

Worst thing right now is we have invasive European hornets making homes here now and yeah they hurt more than bald faced hornets and actively seek you out for existing within the same area as them

[dire prism]

euro hornets are evil

Although i suppose we can take solace in bald faced hornets being indiscriminate solitary predators that kill anything that flies or walks around them

I know I love expressly because they feed on black horseflies

[mortal rain]

Gah, bugs

[leaden wave]

There I was peacefully barbecuing some bison burgers when I heard and actually felt the low pitch buzzing and then felt a tap immediately followed by a sting before I could even think of moving my hand to see what hit me on the back of my neck

Euro hornets are mean

Flew into me and stung me I didn't even provoke a sting like what happens with bees

Infact all hornets and wasps usually do that type of stuff to me

[dire prism]

yeah, especially the social ones

It's partly why i like bald-faced's so much, the ones in my area could give a damn you exist so long as you don't threaten them

[leaden wave]

The ones in my area are aggressive, couple years back had some under our hunting trailer make a nest and when we would move our ATVs, fishing boats or even mow the lawn no where near the hunting trailer but in our yard as far away as possible we would get swarmed it was a not fun although they removed a yellow jacket nest despite being outnumbered 3-1

[patent agate]

Get the flamethrower. . .

No seriously, I'm allergic so these things are a death sentence if I don't nuke them first

[dire prism]

ah, completely different experience from me

the ones around my house follow me to nab the horse and deer flies that harass me while I do yard work

One time on landed on my head and used my hair as cover to ambush a black horsefly

Literally tackled it, turned it over, and decapitated it in a single fluid motion, was crazy to see

took maybe half a second for it to complete the kill

[leaden wave]

At our place we saw 3 dismantle a BIG dock spider was like a gang of Crocs sharing a zebra

[dire prism]

metal as hell

[mortal rain]

Being a bug is kinda like playing Doom.

[dire prism]

but on ultra nightmare and IRL

[leaden wave]

One landed on the dock and was "exploring the cracks" or acting as bait then the other two were orbiting like 2 feet off and then when the spider attempted to get the first one they all jumped in stung the hell out of the spider and split it and took off

[patent agate]

I'm kinda sad I actually get this comparison, makes me feel like a nerd

[dire prism]

even if it makes you a nerd you are a cool nerd because you played literally any DOOM game

[patent agate]

Would it surprise you if I said I played the SNES version of doom 2?

[leaden wave]

Nah earth defense force where we get to kill bigger bugs

[dire prism]

Instead of the Plains of the Serengeti it's the Dock outside Javemeister's House 💀

[leaden wave]

If I still had my old iPhone (it's in the bottom of the Ottawa River) I'd share the video

[dire prism]

yesn't

I mean it's not suprising I just forgot Doom 2 had a SNES version because I have the attention span of a dragonfly 😂

[mortal rain]

Get the team ready

[patent agate]

Siting here talking about bugs and for some reason my brain just goes "MEERKATS" and I have this vague memory about a meerkat chilling on a camp cot

Honestly don't know where the memory even came from, maybe a book or magazine article but I remember the author being happy to have them roaming around their camp

[late pond]

Original PC Doom, Duke Nukem, Quake, & Wolfenstien 🤟 🤣

[leaden wave]

It's in 300+ feet of water and since they built a dam all the water is pitch black from all the trees, veg and sediment

Oh and undertow is CRAZY

[mighty rampart]

Hmmm

[patent agate]

Hey, just occurred to me but has their been any mention of the background ambience? Like the sort of animals you hear just being out there? That and the music they use for this map?

[mighty rampart]

Not yet

Let’s discuss

[patent agate]

Aside from not wanting to hear ducks, at all, I'm not really sure what it should sound like. I felt like the angler had good ambience but on tikamoon it doesn't sound like much of anything

[mystic token]

occasional musquito in the ear

[warped grail]

@mighty rampart Should be as simple as Googling what bird assemblages are there

[patent agate]

Vague bird noise 36.mp3 on loop would be a failure

[plucky quarry]

I want leucistic giraffes in my trophy lodge

[mighty rampart]

They’re so cool

[shell mesa]

🤯🤯🤯they would probably have to make a new lodge for giraffes and elephants because they wouldn't fit on the XXL mounts lol

[strange viper]

Better fonts and water
I'll try to work on the scaling now since it makes the map look really small

[late pond]

I made a thread to remedy for everyone however its up to the community if the want it or not

[mighty rampart]

They could just add mount options to sasika. Massive time saver

[mighty rampart]

Looks even better every time I see it

[noble knot]

Dang with your map designing skill you should work for EW that looks legit

[mortal rain]

Not really

[untold maple]

And rework spring creek

[shell mesa]

Yeah that would work better and look cool

[shell mesa]

Why don't you work for EW🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ if you was on the team we would actually get some nice maps fr, only thing is tho the river looks really wide nearing the top of the map. Will it be shallow water or deep or a mix of both?

[mighty rampart]

River looks really good, wet realistic to things I’ve seen

[strange viper]

1. I think EW's map designs are mostly fantastic
2. Please, I don't want this map design to be compared to actual in game maps, keep in mind that it's just a proof of concept
3. There's so much that has to go into creating a map, this is literally a 2D image and it is nowhere near the work and ideas of a fully realised map (terrain, vegetation, textures, animal models, audio design, missions, structures design and much more! Keep it fair)
   -# I do not want to see any disrespect towards the developers!!!!

[patent agate]

Consider it proof that this map is genuinely wanted and people are excited for it. We're not trying to undermine the devs, only show them just how badly we want this map to be a reality.

To be honest, a map like this would probably take 2-3 years to make fully fleshed out. Particularly if they do take the suggestions to make this map larger than all the others, with multiple weapons or unique rewards. To be completely honest, I'm fine with that.

Two years for a gorgeous stretch of bushveld we'll be happily exploring years after development stops doesn't strike me as a bad thing.

Just give them time and support, it'll be worth the wait

[shell mesa]

K thanks I just didn't know

[strange viper]

1:1 scaled map (it doesn't look as small now yayy)
looking at it like this shows me new ways to improve the overall layout of the structures (houses, towers..) so i'll definitely do that next

[dire flume]

This makes me so hyped

[stuck trench]

Original concept?

[dire flume]

Just overall seeing a map we don’t have it’s cool that people have gone this far with this suggestion

[lucid flame]

🔥

[strange viper]

#1195097534239088720 message 🫶

[topaz trellis]

bull giraffes can weigh up to 2800 pounds, that's quite a lot larger than a cape buffalo. saying they should be a class 8 which is below a lion is silly. theyd be class 9 atleast

[dire prism]

more than 2800lbs actually, bulls are recorded to exceed 1900kg, which is about 4,200lbs

[topaz trellis]

yeah, putting a giraffe in the same class as a bear and moose is just plain dumb, theyd 100% be class 9 or even 10, they are bigger than any class 9 we currently have in game

[mighty rampart]

You don’t need to go around calling people dumb

We’ve chatted about giraffe classes since the thread was made back in march and the consensus is that they are to be class 10

It’s not been updated yet

[topaz trellis]

didnt call you dumb i just said one thing that you wrote i found to be dumb

[mighty rampart]

Cool cheers for that meaningless take,

You do also realise that the calibres people use to shoot giraffe are akin to those used to shoot Moose?

No of course you don’t. Because you don’t know anything about African hunting

The giraffes weight is mostly made up by it’s massive leg bones, not by muscle.

The amount of organic material that a round needs to pass into the vitals of a giraffe is akin to a moose.

375. With certain loads can be used sportingly on moose

https://www.all-about-moose.com/375-hh-and-heres-why.html

https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/maximum-effective-range-of-375-h-h.290343/

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/13579842/re-375-hh-for-alaskan-moose

[lucid flame]

👀🍿

[topaz trellis]

seems like youre a little offended, how could you now be justifying them in the same class as a moose when you already said they'd be a class 10 and you hevent got around to updating it yet. obviously people would use calibers on both a moose and giraffe, you do realize in real life people go around hunting mule deer and white tail with 300 win mag, when in the game its way overkill. that clearly shows the class isnt going to be fully depended on the real life calibers used, its also going to be in relation to weight and other animal classes in the game. you should not be using a 6.5 or 270 on a 4000 pound giraffe.

[manic vigil]

same here lmao

[lucid flame]

Make your own post then.

[topaz trellis]

calibers used to shoot giraffe such as 375 H&H magnum can be used on moose (so hopefully when its added in the community pack its rated 8-9) but many calibers usable on a moose are illegal for a giraffe.

[manic vigil]

like @lucid flame said, make your own post then. it's not gonna be anywhere near as popular or logical as this one tho

[topaz trellis]

because i think the creator put 1 number differnt then to what i think? not sure i understand at all

[topaz trellis]

why would me disagreeing with 1 small number that the creator already said they were going to change mean i should make my entire own idea of an Africa map, that makes little sense. you like this post so much that youre meaninglessly defending a tiny peice of feedback

never said i could create a better post then this, its great. theres just one number that i disagree with, in that case you give feedback you dont go off and spend 2 hours making your own post

[lucid flame]

It is giving you your own platform for that idea and see if there are other who are agreeing with you.

[manic vigil]

👆

[stone minnow]

giving feedback on the post about one different number is just as effective and faster than writing a whole post about how giraffes should be a different class compared to this post

[manic vigil]

also, y'all remember these prehistoric animal logos i made like over year ago? been thinking about making some for some African animals and posting them here. not sure yet tho

[stone minnow]

these are actually impressive

[topaz trellis]

agreeded with bonzu, why would i create an entire post about how someone elses post has a differnt number than to what i think

[manic vigil]

thank ya

[stone minnow]

giraffe would be kind of wonky to draw tho

[lucid flame]

These were nice! Still love your work.

[stuck trench]

Hey fellas this is no longer getting anywhere, all this arguing over a couple of numbers is dumb

[topaz trellis]

is that a mastodon? the small tusks has me confused. i know the cave lion and long horned bison

[lucid flame]

The logo would be all neck

[mortal rain]

I like the lion icon wayyy more than the one ingame atm.

[manic vigil]

the elephant is Deinotherium sp., the lion is the American Lion (Panthera atrox), and the bison is the Steppe Bison (Bison priscus)

[topaz trellis]

ah i see that makes sense. dienotheruim has the lower jar tusks as apposed to tradiotional tusks on a elaphant or wooly mammoth

[manic vigil]

thanks!

[manic vigil]

yeah

[stone minnow]

since this is zimbabwe, then eland should be added, if they havent been suggested yet

[strange viper]

Remade some roads 👍

[untold maple]

Do it

[mighty rampart]

100% man if you have the time we would love to see these

[manic vigil]

I'll try to do what I can. I have many ideas for other art pieces + i start school tomorrow so im not gonna have as much time, but i'll try to cook some stuff up for y'all when i can

[mighty rampart]

Stop trying to rev people up.

It's not me who wants them at 10, which is another additional reason why it's not been updated yet.
Not offended just disappointed with your Piss poor attitude from the get go.
You can behave or leave, don't want people like you in our Africa communtiy
In the last 6 months your the first to come in here and behave like that

But your still welcome to contribute, let’s move on

[mortal rain]

Giraffe.

[stone minnow]

somebody get this to a museum

[mighty rampart]

Whenever you have the time dude 😁

[manic vigil]

👍

[mighty rampart]

Would think a profile like this would be better

[mighty rampart]

Every time I see this it gets better and better

[untold maple]

It looks like that bird from UP but who’s just sad

[stone minnow]

is there an acacia forest somewhere on the map? or will it just be a few trees here and there where giraffes and other animals will graze. sausage trees should also be feed zones for zebras and other animals that eat them

[lucid flame]

Its judging us

[untold maple]

Sable are so fun to watch

[mortal rain]

I wanted to mix it up a little, make it a little different from the current ones we have

[mighty rampart]

All for that dude, let’s see what megatron can come up with in his spare time

@topaz trellis I can see you typing up an essay down there, if it’s carrying on that argument I’m not entertaining it.

[topaz trellis]

holy smokes i didn't think i hurt anyone or did anything wrong. all i did was voice my opinion that i (and apparently many others) believe they should be at least class 9. and how was i revving people up by defending my point and the fact i should give feedback here instead of whole new post. i came into this post and gave one piece of feedback and was told that "you know nothing about African hunting" "you have a piss poor attitude" "people like me aren't wanted in the Africa community" "and I'm the first person to behave like that in 6 months" implying that I'm some sort of crazy disrespectful person for using the word dumb about an animal not in the same video game tier i think it should be in. doesn't seem like a welcoming friendly response to feedback. did you insult everyone else's knowledge who said giraffes should be tier 9 or 10 ? because you did say that the general consensus was that, so i don't know why me agreeing with most people means i know nothing. sorry for using the word dumb though, i never called you dumb however, and didnt mean to offend you or say you knew nothing about the topic

[mighty rampart]

See my previous response let’s move on, your more than welcome to partake here.

[mighty rampart]

My first time seeing live females

[untold maple]

My first time seeing females

[shell mesa]

Woaaahhhhhhh they're cool
I like how wonky the one one the right looks 🙂

[sick zodiac]

Heck I have even heard of .243 being used on them

[patent agate]

Best tasting antelope?

[mighty rampart]

Impala

[fleet dawn]

I would live to See them add a africa 2,0 to the Game

[stone minnow]

nile lechwe

[mighty rampart]

Amen

[buoyant cosmos]

In my experience, Nilgai and Scimitar Oryx are a tie for first. They’re both incredibly tasty.

[untold maple]

Nilgai and Sable are really great, My Dad says Kudu is one of his favorite meats(he also says Zebra is insanely good, but that’s not an antelope), And lot of people would say eland is the best tasting.

[stone minnow]

ik giraffe doesnt count but i like it more than antelope

[patent agate]

Heard them called the whitetail deer of Africa, all over the place and good eating. I kinda like the idea of them and a blesbok or some kind of Hartebeest being the general "anywhere on the map" animals for Africa 2.0.

They kinda seem like the best animal a hunter could just decide to go after when he just woke up on a nice cool morning.

[mighty rampart]

Impala are by far the most common thing you will see out in limpopo

[untold maple]

Pretty much everywhere. I’ve heard them be described as the McDonalds of the savanna. My dad and I call them yadas, because every time we saw a group we would say yada yada.

At some point you just start tripping over them

[patent agate]

Hey, I wouldn't complain. They maybe aren't the heaviest antelope out there but that just means you have more excuses to hunt

[untold maple]

Getting a diamond impala would be a lot of fun to get

[mystic token]

as much as I love impalas, greater kudu are just greater

[stone minnow]

would giraffe trophy rating be weight or height? also imagine hearing them hum in the middle of the night while you’re hunting

[dire prism]

probably the length/circumference of the ossicones

[stone minnow]

yeah but most males are chosen based on height their neck size by the females since they usually win with that, not the ossicones. this was from when i lived in sudan though, so j dont know about zimbabwean giraffe

[untold maple]

For IRL hunting it’s based on how dark their fur is. The darker the giraffe the older

[stone minnow]

i always thought it was based off of height, but most of my observations from giraffe were when me and my friend heard them fighting, and went over to record it to show to our parents

[buoyant cosmos]

I remember seeing this years ago and everyone losing their mind lol

[patent agate]

You know, I'd freaking love to see a page like this for certain animals on new maps, it would be a really cool way to introduce certain animals or even show a gun and recommended animal classes for it

[late pond]

Looks official nicely done 🤝

[late pond]

Agree with ya there

[noble knot]

Looks so real

[late pond]

This is what I'd expect to see in the Codex for all the Game

[untold maple]

That’s quality

[stone minnow]

melanistic can also be a fur typee

[dire flume]

Oh the days, back when common was a fur type and you had to spine shot diamonds

[warped grail]

I wish you could pin posts in threads

Because it's a pain to scroll up

[untold maple]

Randomly click around the title and eventually it will scroll you all the way to the top

[warped grail]

Oh also, do a big QoL update for all the African animals coming into this map

Buffalo, lion, wildebeest, and the kudu model, assuming they're gonna reuse it to make its bigger cousin

I'm also curious about how many resources EW has and what animals can easily be recycled. Even the saltwater crocodile can be remodeled into a Nile croc or the puma into a leopard with new sounds

[untold maple]

Cougars and leopard are way to different, it would be better to make a new model for leopard than work with the cougar model

[warped grail]

I assume they have a base felid model

I'd say the biggest priority is the class 10 animals, the giraffe, and zebra since those are the really recognisable, big ticket animals and they need to look good

[dire prism]

probably a base rig for general animations but not a base model, there's too many phenotypic differences between all the big cats

[warped grail]

I'm also trying to think of what's a reasonable number of animals to want from this map

Because I could theoretically ask for 40 but that'd be unreasonable

[dire prism]

15-19 species, including some pretty major big tickets should be doable

[warped grail]

New or including Vurhonga species?

[dire prism]

total, including vurhonga so we can have the whole Big Five and get both lions and cape buffalo remodeled

although i think leaving the smaller and medium game animals in vurhonga would be best so they still have some uniquity

also, Vurhong only has 10 animals total, it could absolutely benefit from some more medium and small game species, especially upland fowl

•African Elephant Class 10
•Hippopotamus. Class 10
•Rhinoceros. Class 10
•Cape Buffalo. Class 9
•Giraffe Class 8
•Nile Crocodile. Class 8
•Eland. Class 8
•Nyala. Class 7
•African Leopard. Class 7
•Zebra. Class 6
•Wilderbeest. Class 6
•Spotted Hyena
•Kudu. Class 6
•Springbok. Class 4
•Impala. Class 4
Warthog. Class 3
•Baboon. Class 2

Aviation (All Class 1)

• Lemon dove
• Red Billed teal
• Egyptian Geese
• Yellow billed duck

Feedback required

• African Ostrich
• Honey Badger

This is what Wellington originally posted as a species list, and it is perfectly doable with a bit of trimming

Although, it is 23 animals in total, with the current highest being Revontuli Coast with 19

if this is given a significant amount of confined developmental focus this entire list could be done if around 18 months is taken between reserves

[warped grail]

Here's what I'm thinking

If it's too overwhelming, you can do batches

1. African bush elephant
2. Southern white rhinoceros
3. Black rhinoceros
4. Common hippopotamus
5. Lion
6. Cape buffalo
7. African leopard
8. South African giraffe
9. Chapman's zebra
10. Greater kudu
11. Impala
12. Sable
13. Nile crocodile (edited salties)
14. Southern ostrich
15. Blue wildebeest
16. Spotted hyena
17. Warthog
18. Chacma baboon
19. Eland
20. Nyala
21. Helmeted guineafowl

[warped grail]

I also have ideas of what to do with Vurhonga itself; changing the vegetation to be more desert/arid savannah and theming it around Namibia to offer a different experience

Imagine a map like Tikamoon Plains in WotH

Add ostrich, cheetah, black wildebeest, etc.

[mighty rampart]

Looks Awsome

[patent agate]

I'm fine with ostrich seems like a fun addition

[dire prism]

seems like a great list to me, although my personal preferences lean towards Lord Derby's Eland in particular

would definitely like to see ostriches included though, but Idk if I can justify swapping any of those for it

[plucky quarry]

Yes, the map should be focused on the largest animals in Africa, which are the most popular ones, coming along with a class 10 weapon to unlock during the Big Five hunting story, remodeling lion and cape buffalo as extra

[dire prism]

could save ostrich for a third african reserve focused on medium to small sized plains game later on

Maybe give vurhonga some love by making it an African Revontuli by throwing in a lot of upland game like doves and the other birds that Wellington originally listed?

[warped grail]

Wrong part of Africa

LDE's are from Central/Western Africa

[dire prism]

Oh yeah that's right this is Botswana so it's common eland, which are still plenty large since the bulls can reach 1,000 kilos 👍

[warped grail]

Tho after this African map, a Cameroon map could be added

[dire prism]

Agreed, and some much needed updates (mainly remodels) could come to Vurhonga with this, assuming it's added as a reserve

Plus birds other than wigeon on Vurhonga would be nice, especially since the Eurasian Wigeon shouldn't even be there in the first place.

For reference about Eurasian Wigeon being out of place in Vurhonga, their furthest southern extent is Northern Tanzania along the shores of Lake Victoria. Them being in Vurhonga puts them roughly 1,600 to 1800 miles further South than they ever feasibly could be depending on whether we consider Vurhonga to be South Africa or Botswana.

[warped grail]

Also the waterfowl ruin the atmosphere of maps

[shell mesa]

Only some, they help on rev

[mighty rampart]

Too loud

[warped grail]

Yeah way too loud no matter the distance

[dire prism]

they should be significantly quieter; I've seen eurasian and north american wigeon irl and while they are vocal during flight they are maybe a third or a quarter of their volume in game

they can be pretty noisy when feeding but that's restricted to whatever lake they're in

[dire prism]

nothing like being completely unable to hear the kudu i'm hunting because everything is being drowned out by the sounds of insufferable ducks that shouldn't even be on the reserve

[mighty rampart]

Exactly

[warped grail]

Yeah the main problem is the balancing of the sound

[buoyant cosmos]

It’s more unrealistic than having Blacktail Deer on SRP lmao

[dire prism]

by a gargantuan stretch lol

[buoyant cosmos]

I wouldn’t say that. I feel like they definitely add a great atmosphere for certain maps (Mississippi, Revontuli, Layton, etc) and ruin it for others (mostly Vurhonga).

[warped grail]

Even then, it's way WAY too loud when they're rly far

[untold maple]

The ducks ruin my safari immersion(and the fact that lesser kudu and springbok are on the same map also ruins the immersion)

[warped grail]

Yeah here's what I'd do after the Zimbabwe map is done

Make Vurhonga a Namibia map with springbok and other Kalahari endemics

Make an Ethiopian map for lesser kudu and other East African species, including the mountain nyala

[patent agate]

I'm in that "ruined the map" camp

[buoyant cosmos]

That I can agree with

[mortal rain]

Not necessarily. If they are placed in sensible locations like say… swamps or rivers instead the middle of savanna’s it wouldn’t hurt.

[warped grail]

Yeah their implementation needs to be improved drastically

Because them just being everywhere is annoying

[dire prism]

they should be in those boggy areas to the very south and in pockets along the river

-# although i would prefer if the wigeon weren't there at all

[warped grail]

I'd give my kidneys to replace the wigeon with guineafowl

[patent agate]

I'll add one of mine too

[final current]

As far as Vurhonga goes I would have rathered they did a waterfowl species native to Southern Africa but at this point I'll take something like Cape Teal alongside Helmeted Guineafowl

[untold maple]

Put my appendix on that list as well

Found the top

[dire prism]

the top is also currently a pinned message as well if that helps with finding and reading it again in the future

[untold maple]

It just randomly took me to the top, so I figured why not

[patent agate]

Yo, I just traded for a .22 mag bolt action with a bull barrel. Already have a lever gun I love but I started wondering. Could I hunt any of the tiny ten with it? I'd love to see more class 2 herbivores (Africa is basically the only hope for them tbh) so I was wondering.

Is there even opportunities for rimfire rifles in Africa?

[untold maple]

I wouldn’t recommend it unless you were in a survival situation. For the tiny ten(and other small game) I hear 223 or 243 are good choices

Unless you’re trip was dedicated to plunking monkeys or other pests, then a 22 would be good

[topaz trellis]

I think you forgot greater kudu, u might want to add it one more time 🤣, it’s number 10 and number 14 man 👍

[dire prism]

hey we can remove the duplicate kudu and replace it with ostrich 😂

[untold maple]

We all know this is never going to happen…..but…It would be crazy cool to see this happen

[dire prism]

me want

[noble knot]

Multi mount🙏

[untold maple]

It would be such a cool multi mount!

[noble knot]

could be named like worlds collide or something

[dire prism]

how about Duel of Kings?

[noble knot]

10x better

[lucid flame]

Bump

[fleet forge]

What class would the African Cheetah Be?

[mighty rampart]

I’d say a 7,

Not dangerous enough to warrant a larger calibre and they’re light things

[dire flume]

Ik you live in Africa and you know better but I would think a class more aligned with snow leopards but I could be completely wrong

[warped grail]

Tbh, I think cheetahs and ostriches can be saved for the Vurhonga redux

Those two animals would help justify the map's existence with the addition of a big 5 map

[patent agate]

What about a 6? They seem like they'd be kinda light for 7s. The only hunts I read about they used .243s. I'm fine with 7 just because that's not that huge but I dislike that brown bears are a 7s too

[plucky quarry]

Cheetahs should be 4, their body is made for running, they are not very physically strong or robust

[patent agate]

I know they aren't built for fighting, they are probably the lightest large predator in Africa but I think 4 is too low for leopards. I know they are small, I get that, but I still think 6 would be fine

[plucky quarry]

cheetah 4, I didn't say leopard, the structure of both is very different

[mighty rampart]

Think he just got the names mixed up👍🏻

[plucky quarry]

I noticed

[patent agate]

No, I meant leopards, I think they should be class 6 too, same as a cheetah. Neither one is large or particularly suited to fighting but I don't think class 4 fits either

[plucky quarry]

classifying cheetahs together with leopards and pumas is absurd, it makes no sense at all

mainly cheetahs, they are not resistant animals or with high attack power, their hunting consists of taking down their prey by running mainly, there is no point in using strong weapons

[patent agate]

Yes but I didn't say anything about cougars. There's a dude in my gun club who hunts them over dogs and uses a .22 magnum. I think he's a dipsh*t. BUT
if anything I'd have cougars, black bear, and Grey wolves as class 7 and brown bears in class 8 with grizzlies

[plucky quarry]

remember that there is a snow leopard in the game, which is much more resistant in real life than a cheetah, it falls from high places in mountains and comes out intact when it takes down its prey.
brown bear is a huge mistake for EW to put it as 7, it never made sense

[patent agate]

The classes are jacked up anyway you look at it.

Anyway, the way an animal hunts has nothing to do with how it reacts to a bullet. But at class 4 theyre barely a step above lynxes and i don't think they'd be quite that easy to down. At class 6 they'd still be in range of the .243 but out of the .223 and .22-250 (argument of its own)

[late pond]

Personally, I wouldn't mind a cat order •Serval (2) -26lbs •Lynx (3) - 60lbs •Snow Leopard (4) - 120lbs •Puma (5) - 175lbs •Cheetah (6) - 160lbs •Jaguar (7) - 210lbs •Lions (8) - 420lbs •Tigers (9) - 680lbs. <---Thoughts???

[patent agate]

You missed bobcats but sure

[plucky quarry]

I would reverse puma/mountain lion with cheetah

[late pond]

bobcats are a 3 above 30lbs with lynx servals are under max weight & size

[dire prism]

agreed, especially since large adult mtn lions exceed 210lbs

Lions and tigers imo should both be class 9 since they were hunted with big bore express rifles frequently IRL, such as the .400 and .500 NEs that also saw use on buffalo and rhino

Jaguars should be the class 8 cat, since the large males can approach and possibly exceed 300lbs

African leopard would arguably be class 7 despite being smaller overall than mtn lions in terms of maximum size (adult males max at around 200-205 lbs). I'd again place them in class 7 due to the large bore rifles they were hunted with IRL as it seems leopards are "tougher" in some manner and their physiology doesnt take damage from mid-ringe calibers in the same way, given how many were shot with express rifles or .375s out of an apparent need to kill them faster

[late pond]

I gave cheetahs a slight adv. due to there speed factor but pumas are more aggressive

[dire prism]

redux on the jaguar, the largest known male was almost 350lbs, definitely make it a class 8

[late pond]

Valid points just figured I'd suggest 2-9 Cat list

[dire prism]

it is a very good list, and I can definitely see where it comes from, I just think the big names (lions, tigers, jaguars, etc) need higher classes because they are infamous for taking hits that could kill a bear where it stood and surviving long enough to kill a man

[plucky quarry]

lion and tiger are the only ones that will react frantically after a shot and go in a z towards the hunter due to adrenaline, that's why high caliber weapons if I'm not mistaken, killing on the spot saves lives.
leopard and mountain lion could actually attack, even more so people short in height, but cheetah would just run away and is not strong, so class 4-5 makes more sense for it

[patent agate]

OK, here's a question. I've hunted with a .22 mag for a few years, it's only slightly below the .22H but I've easily downed bobcats, coyotes, and beavers between 40 and 60 pounds. Out of those 3 the beaver is the most "dense" animal. If we have caracal or serval in the new map and either is class 3 then would you want the .22h changed to 1-3?

Keep in mind the .22H uses 40 grain bullets, exactly the same weight as .22 mag and lon rifle

[late pond]

I respect that and I aknowledge big bores for T -8 game as well and I took irl behavior into account bc lions are pride based but mostly distant unless provoked. Jags & Tigers different ball game.

[dire prism]

.22H has been used to kill 50lb lynxes in europe to mu knowledge and caracals are bobcat sized, maybe a max of 28lbs in weight

most of their size comes from their leg length since they hunt ground birds and rodents in long grass, so i'd argue you could make .22H 1-3 and then make caracal class 2

[late pond]

I think I adjusted the 22H as a 1-3 I believe caracel are a 3 I checked thats why I suggested the serval

[mighty rampart]

African leopards and snow leopards are very different

[dire prism]

valid, I'm approaching distinctly from how physically tough these cats are, how likely they are to maul you (whether injured or not), and the types of calibers used to kill them IRL, so I lean towards making the two largest living cats class 9 with the 3rd place (jaguar) class 8

[late pond]

sry I wasn't specific I had jungle/safari leopards in mind not the snow

[plucky quarry]

Yes, it's no wonder it's in the big five, they are unpredictable with local people

[dire prism]

Nerd Moment

Fun Fact: It has been genetically proven that snow leopards are not only not phylogenetically true leopards, but are a distinct animal that is genetically very close to modern tigers. Moreover, molecular genetic studies have also proven that at some point in the last 10,000 years snow leopards extensively interbred with asiatic lions in at least two large interbreeding events. What's even more interesting is those pairings produced fertile offspring, as there are surviving asiatic lion genetics within living snow leopard populations.

[mighty rampart]

Never knew that, very interesting

[plucky quarry]

African leopard being difficult to find on the map would be interesting, being silent with food zone alternating between trees, what do you think?

[late pond]

☝I'm aware did a study briefly some years back n worked with all the cats at Henry Doorly it was fun I'll admit.

[patent agate]

To be honest, EW not explaining what they based the ammo on makes figuring out decent classes for animals and weapons a nightmare. It also doesn't help the ammo is inconsistent between weapons

[plucky quarry]

with special trees you could place baboons and leopards as animals that use them as a resting/feeding area 🤔

[late pond]

Thats why I did the reclass chart if ammo wont be added atleast the re-class can be added as a fix.

[patent agate]

I'm hoping this community weapon pack is the excuse they use for a big ammo change.

I'm seriously worried they'll make the .375 a crappy upgrade on the .338 and not let it show its real use

[mighty rampart]

Think the ammo argument is all fairly low priority, as long as the rifles we use cover the class it really doesn’t matter too much.

Not a prefect answer but how I generally see it

[late pond]

If your not apposed I can show my re-class for the calibers? I also adjusted for T-10 realistically

[dire prism]

it's compounded by the fact that the snow leopard very much earns the title of "Ghost of the Mountain" in every way feasible, as we are totally unaware of precisely when/where/how they split from their last common ancestor with tigers as they sort of just, appear suddenly in the fossil record, as if they're ghosts.

It also doesn't help that our best guesstimate for the divergence is somewhere between 2.5 and 3.7 million years ago somewhere in a several hundred million square mile area in central and western Asia.

In addition they have also hybridized with multiple subspecies of leopard (along with lions as mentioned earlier) in the past when their ranges overlapped. We know this because of shared mitochondrial DNA, which points to the surviving hybrid genomes coming from pairings where a male snow leopard mated with a female lion or asiatic leopard. This also possibly indicates that the only possible fertile pairings required the mother to be a lion or leopard with the snow leopard as the father.

Plus there's the added physical aspect of how does a 450lb adult male lion (for instance) mate with a 65lb female snow leopard without crushing her to death?

-# nerd moment over, ima stop clogging the thread with my fun facts lol

[plucky quarry]

375 will be another generic weapon like the others, lottery. If they make Africa 2.0 I believe they will release a bundle Africa 1 + Africa 2 + new weapons with .375, it would be good marketing

[untold maple]

Africa 2.0 would definitely be their most profitable DLC. It doesn’t make sense why they didn’t make another African map earlier, like are they allergic to money or something?

[patent agate]

Who ever said it had to be an adult lion?

[dire prism]

fair, although even if we just draw the line at a technically reproductively mature dispersal male it'd still be a 240lb animal mounting a 60lb one and I just can't see that going anything other than badly for the female 😂

[late pond]

you seen my chart I think it would be a healthy fix

[plucky quarry]

That's what I think, holding back to use as a last card up your sleeve is a terrible idea, I believe that's what they thought in the past, leaving Africa 2 for when the game has few players and thus attracts them again, but recently I believe they saw that it's a bad idea and opened their eyes due to the huge hype

[late pond]

3 big releases overtime is the way to go as of now we have Jungle/Amazon - Africa - Artic/Canada as the big requests they'd be smart to release 1 every other or 2 reserves at this point while adding more caliber options as well as gear with mechanic/ai behavior elements.

[dire prism]

I believe that Jaxy mentioned at some point this was the original plan; they were gonna make it the last reserve and have it basically be the last hurrah of their long term development funds as a super explosive end for the game for when it had trailed off before leaving it restricted to odd annual free content releases afterwards like Classic

with this post they can see there's a market for, what do you guys think, at least three or four more African reserves right?

[patent agate]

That was when they were doing 2 maps a year,if they slow down to 1 and put more time into it no one would really complain if they charged more for it.

Personally rather have 1 really good map than 2 meh ones

[dire prism]

agreed; they have slowed down to 1 since NEM and it's been a huge improvement

I mean it gave us EC and Sundar

[patent agate]

Honestly not a fan of Sundarpatan, but EC was the best thing they ever made for me. I'd honestly have no issue paying 20.00 for a really good map with multiple weapons or 15.00 for a map with one weapon. But I'm a gun nut so I'm extremely biased

[untold maple]

I can see two more southern maps, one western, and one eastern

[plucky quarry]

yes, one map per year gave us more unique animals, emerald gave us 8 unique ones, sundarpatan 10, so I believe they have a lot of time to create models and make animations (they are more difficult than making a map, just observe other games doing it live) in 1 year, I believe Africa 2.0 should increase even more, it reminds me of a passage, I think from Machiavelli, where it talks about doing "something" just once to have enough impact.

[late pond]

Agreed 1 good detailed reserve with a reserve weapon & the packs released are related to the reserve or they release packs prior as a teaser then the big reveal of the reserve.

[patent agate]

I can get behind that but I kinda want to see an Ethiopia based map. Aside from how incredible the terrain is there's amazing cultures and some unique animals.

[late pond]

I can see •2 western: Dedicated Upland Bird w/ pointer dog (RC was dedicated Waterfowl) - Texas gated w/small game tracker dog •2 southern Amazon - Africa •2 northern: Arctic - Greenland & 2 Eastern

[patent agate]

I don't know if anyone else would care for this but here goes.

Stick to 1 map for the year with a generic gear pack or something for the first release, middle year we get a pack that is generally themed toward the location of the map, a few weeks before the map just post a picture of one animal. That's it don't do walk-through or streams. Just keep quiet and let the map speak for itself

[untold maple]

A Highlands to a Massi land map would be crazy fun

[patent agate]

Same concept but applied to weapons.
If there's a reserve weapon you can just buy, sure talk about it. If there's a unique variant rewarded for a mission or side mission, don't say a thing. Let it be a surprise. Might be a little hard for Jaxy to actually no talk about it but you get the idea

[late pond]

🤣 so true but I always enjoyed the thought of exclusive reserve calibers & pack releases associated with the new reserve release(s). It makes sense to do it this way

[patent agate]

I had this idea a while ago, but if we got a reserve with a weapon as standard an they actually did 2 weapons without EVEN HINTING there was a second weapon locked in the story or side missions then I'd be much happier.

Say Africa 2.0 comes with a bolt action .416 or something, you play as normal and at some point you get a call from the Warden and he says somebody left you a reward at some outpost or another. You get there and there's a .375 single shot rifle propped up in the corner. It's a caliber we already have (or will have) but you had no idea it existed until you found it.

Absolutely freaking amazing. If you're one of those nuggets who find it first and put it all over discord I hope you stub your pinky toe every day for the rest of your life, you absolute GOBLIN

[late pond]

A hidden reward would be awesome, but you know as well as I do once its found its going viral 😓 but I love the idea.

[plucky quarry]

I would really like a secret weapon for completing all missions, imagine a secret weapon for getting trophies for all the big five. My idea is 5 secondary missions for each of the big five (heart shot/gold, 300 meters)

[patent agate]

I know, too many loot goblins. . .

[plucky quarry]

~~give me a jacket made of an albino lion with teeth from every animal on the map around the garment 🤣 ~~

[patent agate]

Lock it behind something that doesn't look like a challenge.

Soil conservation: cull overpopulated impala (120)

After the mission completes: Warden: I appreciate the help with the herds, I've been worried the grass wouldn't recover out there, I left something for you troubles at Outpost X. .270 Falling block with impala head engraved on receiver laying on a camp table

[late pond]

love it

[patent agate]

I very much look forward to hartebeest hunting, would like to try with a bow or lever action rifle

(Totally unsure why, but I feel like this thing deserves to only be hunted with the longbow or a lever action)

[mighty rampart]

This is the ultimate book for African hunting

Cannot recommend it enough, also comes in a miniature field version

[mystic token]

just gonna say there is a reason cheetahs avoid literally every predatory animal that lives im africa, they get bullied around everywhere they go, class 4 seems fine to me

[mortal rain]

I can’t see cheetahs being higher than 5.

.22-250 could probably drop a cheetah.

[patent agate]

Ordered it

[warped grail]

Jungle would be best for Cameroon

[late pond]

I dont mind what reserves come next as long as I can hunt more predators. In addition to making the game more immersive. The Game Class Tiers & Caliber/Gauges would need to be Re-worked to be Authentic to IRL Tiers. This would be favorable & acceptable for all players if it's Re-worked to be Authentic to IRL, over made-up Game logic as I stated in my 2 revised threads after doing some serious research. Everyone here wants Africa 2.0 to be a work of Art as well as the Huntable Game in it to be as Authentic as possible. With that said I for one also want all Huntable Game & Calibers/Gauges to be Re-Classed to be as Authentic as possible. If Bullet grain weight & bullet types aren't an option to be added then at the very least all our Calibers & Gauges should be adjusted to cover all the appropriate game they can take ethically IRL over a VG mechanic wall. I justified all existing Game, Calibers, & Gauges in my threads to RL. If TH: CotW is intended to be a hunting Game as EW/Jaxy keep claiming it to be I'd expect these changes to be made.

[mighty rampart]

Back out on a big five reserve!

Tent with a broken zipper door, classic

[late pond]

🤣 happens to the best of us. Though that would be hilarious to be an animation that happens every so often in game when using the tents. Might make for a good loading screen animation now that I think about it.

[patent agate]

Oryou got to open the door of your tent and there's a bear or something staring at you like you offended it

[late pond]

I had that happen on the 4th of July. My wife n I were playing with a friend on Mississippi and I was buying ammo in the tent. I heard something so I turned to walk out of the tent an a damn gator was at the entry staring at me. Scared the h*** out of me.

[patent agate]

Oh I thought he meant irl. I was out during season once with my gf (eventual wife) and we got up to a black bear pawing at the tent. No rainfly and we had the "windows" open so there's nothing but mesh between us and this bear is just staring at us pawing the tent. It was a young animal so shooting it felt like a waste so I grabbed my phone and turned up the volume. Bears are, apparently, not big fans of country music lmao

[late pond]

He was probably implying IRL & it reminded me of a moment in-game 🤣

[patent agate]

Oh yeah,I've had lions in my tent in game. Stuck to the point I couldn't even get ammo from the box

[late pond]

Classic. Here kitty kitty....🤣🤣🤣

[patent agate]

Iwas bow hunting kudu on the north end of the map, didn't have anything for lions at at all. Fast travel didn't work and it was still there after I went to the main menu so I had to go to an outpost for a rifle and an atv and ride all the way back to that tent to get it out.

I miss old vurhonga

[late pond]

Nice

[late pond]

Thats a good shot for a night photo

[untold maple]

I’m Getting ghost and the darkness vibes

[patent agate]

Love the book and the movie but I disagree. This looks like a little slice of heaven

[mortal rain]

Could we get a mission where we preform the famous “Bell Shot” coined by Walter Bell?

[patent agate]

Effective but I bet it's harder than it looks by a long shot

[mortal rain]

Definitely, we need some side mission talk though.

[mighty rampart]

It’s a big five with lions and we have no fence just the tent with the broken zip,

So pretty similar

[untold maple]

Sounds like you’re mad about the broken zipper…how bad is it broken?

[mighty rampart]

As in won’t zip at all, tent doors open all night

[untold maple]

Did you try squeezing the sides with a pair of pliers?

[patent agate]

Somebody's fault or a casualty from hard use? Probably more chances of being mauled by bugs than lions tho so maybe not so bad?

[mighty rampart]

Just old bit of kit, the reserve has been over hunted massively, and poached heavily. So while there are lions I would like to think that given I’ve not heard or seen any spore that they are in another part of the reserve with more game

[patent agate]

Got it, still, must be a great place to relax in. I haven't been able to just go and camp anywhere in a while.

[strange viper]

Much, much better roads and a new shooting range 🙂

[torn belfry]

Wow, it was done really well, it really feels like we're looking at the map in the game.

[patent agate]

We still need the soundtrack and the looks of each camp. I'd actually like a mix of permanent buildings and tent camps tho

[noble knot]

Is there any 3D artist here to do that job?

[patent agate]

I know guns decently well but my art is limited to trail marks and stick men

[noble knot]

And if so there’s the problem is if EW picks the 3D models up for official use

[mortal rain]

Need some camps surrounded by bomas.

[patent agate]

If anyone should have a say in how the camps look it's Wellington, man's the reason this thread has been growing so much

[mortal rain]

Some modernish camps would be great too, I’d like a mix of both now that I think about it.

[noble knot]

Like I said a while back I think Wellington is one of the biggest none staff legend on the server man is Pilar of the community

[patent agate]

What's the pfp ayoliam? I swear I've seen this guy

[mortal rain]

Scaly Pete from the incredible game “Maneater”

[dire prism]

mixed outposts are always great

Sundar and its mix of larger and smaller villages along with the combo outpost/lookouts was great

And EC varying from the main compound and basically resort houses out in the bush to the homely little raised cabins and the sanctuary all the way down to caravan/RV parks was great

Would love to see a mixture of big and small/traditional and modern

[mortal rain]

I loved the campsites on rev, definitely need more.

[patent agate]

Right, shark game.

Actually, I'd love to see a sign on the river in this map that just has WARNING: CROCODILES AND BULLSHARKS IN THE WATER

Y'all remember the missions in vurhonga where you found the wrecked poachers camp? The small shack that had all the cases on the floor?

I'd love to get a side mission like that. You don't hear about it unless you stumble onto the shack and find it wrecked, a hole torn in the thatch roof, everything is wrecked, blood on the floor and the window smashed out from the inside and the Warden tells you there's an active Maneater leopard in the area

[noble knot]

Land shark side mission

[mighty rampart]

Every time I see this it gets better and better. Looks like a genuine ingame map now!

[mighty rampart]

Some nice counter poaching missions stuff would be great.

Checking a fence for wire breaks, or wire damage where someone’s climbed over.

Checking for Snares, giraffe snares too as we are on Africa 2

Will think of more later but yeah lots of cool good story stuff they could include

[untold maple]

Darting rhinos maybe?

[shell mesa]

Best toilet designs in 2024, 1:

[lucid flame]

Bump

[lucid flame]

Dats a toilet 🚽

[mighty rampart]

Best toilet

[plucky quarry]

The final mission rewards the player with a melanistic leopard, similar to Medved albino diamond bear, which was a good reward for all the missions.

[late pond]

I'd love this esp. with a multi-mount in my predator lodge. But dont forget Cuarto Calinas with the 3 Iberian wolves with rare fur types as well 😁

[patent agate]

Did you know they could all be diamonds?

@flint snow told me that literally 2 minutes after I killed the last wolf and it ruined my game. I made an alt account to try and get them and I still haven't been able too

[flint snow]

[late pond]

If I'm being honest I dont pay attention to the trophy medal rating. I go off of sight and if its unique to me I keep it. That was before I read that all 3 story wolve's fur types are mission only colors so I failed to taxy them not knowing it was exclusive, except the last wolf.

[late pond]

But calibers are locked into a tier wall so I dont get good medal scores bc I use the same calibers I would irl on the game I hunt. Ex 308 on coyotes & bobcat they are a T2 in game but the 308 is a 4-8. 110gr is what I use irl for them, 168gr for deer, and 190gr on elk. So I hunt as I would irl regardless of the medal system. But I do use bigger calibers for bear or dangerous game. Like the 470 or single 338 on cape & I use the 300 bolt (not the Nemo Omen/AR) for elk, moose, bison, & bear as intended to the real caliber rating. Unless I'm farming but thats 10% of my gameplay, 90% of the time I'm sim hunting.

[mighty rampart]

Real

[patent agate]

.375 for 7-9 please EW, it's the least you could do after making us wait for ages

[untold maple]

Question for everyone
What should be the gun for this map and why?
For a while I was thinking the 375 would be it but then the weapons vote happened.

[dire prism]

I'd imagine one of the large Nitro Express rounds or one of the popular 20th century .40+ caliber bottlenecked rounds; so one of the following:

.500NE
.600NE
.700NE
.416 Rigby
.416 Weatherby
.460 Weatherby

IMO i'd prefer .600 or .700NE as a 9-10 or 10 if we get a double rifle. If we get a bolt action I'd like it in the style of a CZ550 a MkV weatherby in .416 Rigby or .416 Weatherby

[mortal rain]

Ruger No. 1 in .458 Lott preferably, or one of the many large Express rounds

Also .585 Nyati would be great given its lack of coverage in the hunting game genre.

As for classes:

.458 Lott 8-10
All the Express rounds would be 9-10
.585 Nyati 9-10

[patent agate]

I love the idea but I'm afraid they'd look at such a high caliber as a 9 only and it would be marginalized by the .470s 2 rounds or .375s 3-4 rounds. That said, if it was awarded by a mission in the map and a .416 bolt action came as the map weapon it would be a really worthwhile reward for a side mission

[mortal rain]

I think it all depends on if they get the .375’s classes perfect.
We will have to wait and see

[patent agate]

We know this map won't be coming soon so we'll see how they handled the .375 before it, I'm kinda hoping the community weapon pack is their way of bringing in a big change in scoring/ballistics

[dire prism]

If we get a .416 Rigby or .416 Weatherby I'd think 8-10 would be a good class range.

The express rifles as liam said should all be 9-10 since they're absolutley massive rounds with so much energy.

Personally I'd prefer Weatherby over Rigby so we'd have a notable ballistic improvement in both drop and power over .375.

[patent agate]

Anything 40 and up and ill be happy with 8-10 ish

I'm not really sure what would work best but I'm hoping we'll have at least 3 really good rifles before this map drops

[untold maple]

I’m personally hoping for a Westley Richards 425. It’s unlikely because it’s a rarer gun, but I’m hopeful

[mortal rain]

I’d also love to see .318, not too sure of the class because of the wide variety of game it has taken.

[late pond]

• H&H 8 Bore Hammer (7-10) - Blackpowder Cart. /8ga: +Ball (Spherical): 862gr (7-9) +Slug (Conical): 1257gr (9-10) <--- aka 1884 Holland & Holland 8g Paradox

[late pond]

I'd rather get a Westley Richards if we get the 425 its gorgous and I'm fond of the caliber.

[warped grail]

I'd also upgrade the 470 to 10

[late pond]

Another option I'd like: Pedersoli Safari Express (7-9) - Blackpowder .72cal: +Ball: 500gr

[late pond]

honestly I'd rather it be 8-10 since its rated for grizzly and moose irl.

[warped grail]

Yeah 8-10.

[late pond]

I really want one these blackpowders for Dangerous Game preferably the 8 bore, its so unique

[warped grail]

I'd make the 375 H&H a 6-10

Change around the loads and you can use it for lots of stuff

[late pond]

Thats what its rated for irl and I agree, though it'll likely be 7-9 by the tier wall unless they add T:10

[warped grail]

Also, it's a good niche

[late pond]

It will most likely replace my bolt .300win for my elk & up hunts so I'm really looking fwd to it.

[mighty rampart]

.416 Rigby

[late pond]

No opinions on the 1884 Holland & Holland 8g Paradox? You won't hurt my feelings none so feel free to be honest, I really thought it was a good suggestion.

[dire prism]

me want big bores

[patent agate]

Can I just say that modern rifles absolutely lack the kind of class and feeling that older rifles do? Yeah modern high precision is great but the literal cookie cutter stocks and "space age" designs do not feel the same.

[untold maple]

I feel exactly the same way. I believe that if you’re going to hunt an animal, the rifle should be worthy of the animal.

[patent agate]

I hate that so many rifles look the same

[untold maple]

That’s my main gripe with the gun industry today.

[mighty rampart]

Most of the nice rifles are not even old as everyone keeps labels them.

These firearms are made today and are still works of art, made by the hands of man. Not mass produced in some dreary factory in the states or centeral Europe

[patent agate]

It's the mass produced ones that are boring, practically anything else is awesome aside from plastic/polymers stocks, deduct points for those

[mystic token]

20mm full auto anti aircraft machine gun

[outer spear]

🤔

[shell mesa]

New best grind gun 😂😂

[noble knot]

CRam would be a better one good for waterfowl grinding

[shell mesa]

Yeah that's definitely going in my goose setup, would have to be like 5mil per unit tho, and 5k for 5 secs of firing

[noble knot]

Just sit back place the CRam in a water fowl blind and grab a beer watch the chaos

(I corrected the typo)

[patent agate]

Hey, if you know about them what's your opinion on short magnums

[glad epoch]

C'mon, EW! I can't imagine a single person that doesn't want this map! I bet this is going to be the next map.

[untold maple]

Just had a thought for elephant mechanics. What if instead of a set drink zone time(for example moose), each zone is randomized?

One drink zone would be 8 to 10 but another drink zone is 15 to 18.

[patent agate]

Would make things more interesting if you had to keep up with time a little more.

[untold maple]

That’s what I was thinking

[patent agate]

Honestly, I'd really enjoy having slightly randomized needzones for all animals. It would drive grinders insane though

[untold maple]

I could see that working for the rarer animals like tigers, snow leopards, and lions. The more I think about it the more I like it

[patent agate]

It'd be a fairly small change but I think it would make a big difference in how monotonous the game can get

[gilded meteor]

Dang 1000 upvotes

[mighty rampart]

Yeah we growing bru

[patent agate]

People love this idea too much to ignore it

[untold maple]

Everyone is Africa hungry.

[patent agate]

I'm more impala hungry but yes. . . .

[plucky quarry]

we need to reach 1500 votes by the end of the year

[gilded meteor]

This better be the next map 🤣. I love what they are doing but they need to honor the “community driven dev team”

[buoyant cosmos]

Considering they literally let the community decide on the weapons for the next weapon pack, I’d say they’re pretty community driven.

[gilded meteor]

But did they? 😂. I mean they gave us options but not like choose whatever. I’m just messing around lol. This is just what the community wants and it would be nice to see it in game

[mortal rain]

We’ve asked for quite a few of those guns for awhile

[mighty rampart]

Could well happen, but I think 1350+ is most likely given how many months we have left.

Equally who knows, sales and free weekends etc drive up the post

[patent agate]

.300blk? Never seen that in feedback

[untold maple]

Yeah, you would think it would be talked a lot about based off of the numbers, but I never saw it come up outside of the vote

[patent agate]

Pretty sure it was all the new players from gamepass or something just blindly voting up the cod gun

[mighty rampart]

Wouldn’t surprise me

[dire prism]

Same, but at least it'll be a bolt action instead of a boring copy of the ,223 AR I suppose.

Hell, maybe they'll give us the choice between supersonic and subsonic ammo as well as a suppressor for it. Give it a reduced spook radius comparable to the air rifle with the subs and the .22 virant with supers. Would make it a pretty neat varminting gun with a niche for close range hunting and would be useful due to lower spook radius from reduced sound.

Of course it'll probably just end up being a worse copy of the .223 bolt with no real uniquity lol.

[patent agate]

Unique would have been the single shot.

I can tell you already there's gonna be a huge sh**storm when the pack actually comes out because they think they're getting a 11 round magazine and it's actually just six.

EW didn't think either poll through very well

[mighty rampart]

No they didn’t

[patent agate]

Idk if anyone here plays Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora, but thanks to a glitch I just learned the rifles are 9.3x76mm. I thought before that Africa was the inspiration for the movies/world but they just barely changed a rifle round to fit in there.

Main point. The 9.3x74r we have in game? Let's say we get it as a double, would it be anyone's go to Africa gun?

[dire prism]

I already use it with the drilling because it hammers 5-7 animals, it's fun

so yes, i'd juse it to death, especially if it was buffed

[patent agate]

See I love the idea of an O/U version that is just the rifle. I've seen some gorgeous ones that would still be absolute beasts in the field

[untold maple]

I would stick to the 470 and 375 for Africa 2. Unless they make something really interesting like a 405 or 425

[patent agate]

.500 NE over under, leave it to Westley Richard's to make something incredible

[untold maple]

Everything from Westley Richards is incredible.
One day I’ll get a Westley Richards…one day

[patent agate]

I won't. I'd love to but I don't think I'll ever be able to afford it.

Now, in the game I'd happily pay a fortune. He** I'd pay 20-30$ for a mega pack of weapons

[mortal rain]

I’ve seen it quite a few times actually

[patent agate]

Weird. Tho tbh I'd have been very interested if it had been a single shot pistol. Always found those guns fascinating

[late pond]

I doubt it'll be worse I'm expecting it to be a 3-7 and irl I'll take 300blk over 223 any day for hunting. Competition 5.56nato with it being cheaper. I know alot of ppl are knocking it bc of COD. However I do use it personally and I'm happy with it for its use in my selection over a .223. As for varmints 22-250, .243, and .308win all do just fine with range. 300blk is effective up to 180yds, for most folks 220yds is usually max in normal cases. And 300blk is available 110gr - 220gr. Forget suppressers bc nearly any caliber can be canned. That aside it has its place just like any other caliber. For those of you who dont know anything about it do your research outside of COD. Just making a point I dont expect anyone to like it, if its not for you then dont use it of course. But I will agree 200% the 11rnd mag crimped was by far the most ridiculous suggestion if its a bolt variant. If it was an Armalite I can sympathize with it, but a bolt it literally makes no sense. For the record I wanted the single. Since stock & barrel lengths were nearly identical it literally came down to capacity. And knowing the round irl and what we already have in game a single made the most sense given its purpose over the niche.

[late pond]

But more than anything I am very pleased to get the wood bolt 375H&H (7-10) & a bolt 450Bush. (4-8) over the Armalite variant.

After this I would like to see more big bores and magnums between 7-10 & 9-10. Because I do rather enjoy hunting bears in-game as well as dangerous game. 475 bishop short mag, 8bore, 416 Rigby to name a few. Though I defn. wouldn't mind more Black powders either.

[late pond]

great suggestion btw

[late pond]

To you as well these would also be great choices

[mighty rampart]

Anyone keen on giraffe variations?

[torn belfry]

Yes, me

[outer spear]

There are melanistic looking giraffes

[outer spear]

Noice

[untold maple]

I must say, There’s quite a lot of fur mutations

EW could definitely have some fun with giraffe furs

[torn belfry]

Considering that the patterns of the giraffes are different from each other, why not do like Truracs but this time with spots for each skin color. That would be cool, right?

[buoyant cosmos]

That all brown giraffe is amazing.

[buoyant cosmos]

If it’s possible to do, they could definitely do something like that. Could also apply to the piebalds in game. Make every trophy truly unique.

[amber kindle]

I see that some giraffes belong to a different subspecies from the one found on this Zimbabwe map, if I’m not mistaken.

[patent agate]

There are amazing ideas here every time I look

[patent agate]

Here's a thought. There's a few tribes in Africa that are well known for how skilled their archers are. All of these tribes have amazing looking longbow and very unique arrows because of the birds in their areas.

So, African style longbow? Keep in mind they can have a draw weight anywhere between 20 and 110 pounds so it could match the hawkedge 70lb draw with a more traditional look

[mighty rampart]

100%

Think that would be Awsome

[strange kiln]

@mighty rampart One question, are the Big Five the lion, rhino, buffalo, leopard and elephant or are they the lion, rhino, buffalo, hippopotamus and elephant?

[mighty rampart]

Rhino, leopard, lion, buffalo, elephant

Hippopotamus and giraffe are not part of the big five.

I think that The “big” part is not a reference to the animals size but how they were the main 5 prize species hunted during the colonial periods and that they were the most difficult to track.

[strange kiln]

So based on this post and the information I have gathered I have created a Zimbabwe reserve, taking into account how the maps of the game are made and with this I intend to contribute something to this post to complete this fictional reserve a little more, with the idea that EW will listen to us and use this information to create the possible map or maps in Africa.

[strange kiln]

Bembezi Hunting Reserve

• Bush African Elephant ( class 10 ) - New
• Common Hippo ( class 10 ) - New
• Southern White Rhino ( class 10 ) - New
• Lion ( class 9 )
• Cape Buffalo ( class 9 )
• Common Eland ( class 8 ) - New
• Nile Crocodile ( class 8 ) - New
• Plains Zebra ( class 7 ) - New
• Waterbuck ( class 7 ) - New
• Great Kudu ( class 7 ) - New
• African Leopard ( class 6 ) - New
• Antelope Sable ( class 6 ) - New
• Impala ( class 4 ) - New
• Common Warthog ( class 4 )
• Side-Streiped Jackal ( class 2 )

15 Species

[strange kiln]

@mighty rampart What do you think about this list of species?

[mighty rampart]

It’s a good list, I’d throw giraffe and hyena

[strange kiln]

I have not included the hyena because there are already several predators so I would put it on another African map or even in Vurhonga Savanna and I have not included the giraffe because I do not see a giraffe in the game and I doubt they will add it to the game.

[mighty rampart]

Ok right, Why would they would not add giraffes do you think?

[strange kiln]

I honestly have no arguments to defend my opinion but I feel like EW never added giraffes.

[mighty rampart]

That’s makes no sense.

[strange kiln]

It's like it's an animal that I don't see in the game, I can't imagine it in the gameç

[torn belfry]

However for some places it would be logical to have seen that it can be chased away if I don't say stupid things. I say that, I don't say anything but like Vurhonga Savanna. Afterwards I'm not an expert so I could be wrong

[mighty rampart]

Yeah but why.

[strange kiln]

I know but it's a feeling that I get

[mighty rampart]

Not to sound critical but that’s complete a non-point. Giraffes are highly requested and hunted commonly irl. There no reason for it to be excluded.

[strange kiln]

I'm not saying that they should be excluded, but it's a bit of a peculiar animal to add to the game, knowing how the game works and its history.

[mighty rampart]

Let’s dig deeper

What do you mean by that?

What history?

What makes it “peculiar”?

[torn belfry]

the Bengal tiger is also a special animal, the snow leopard too and yet they are there. And the worst thing is that compared to the giraffe they cannot be hunted in reality

[mighty void]

This would be a fun map

[glad loom]

Giraffes are more hunted than the elephants and rhinos

[patent agate]

Unless there's some weird game engine gremlins preventing them, can't really see any reason to exclude giraffes.

As far as I know they're fairly common in their ranges and regular hunting doesn't seem to do much damage to their population. It's also a unique and honestly amazing trophy that I honestly don't think ANY other hunting game allowed you to go after.

I am kinda curious tho, since they don't typically run in big herds is this the first animal we'll get with single animal zones? Or am I wrong and they come in small groups? (I mean like 2 to 5 animals)

[dawn dew]

This whole list exudes exotic! I can’t wait till this arrives one day! 🤠

[manic vigil]

y'all mind if i post a prehistoric africa map idea here i made for #1120394592265719950 or should i probably not

thought y'all would be interested

[fleet forge]

16 if you include
African Cheetah

[patent agate]

@mighty rampart

Wanted to ask, what do you think of Nile monitor lizards as a class 1 for the map? 5.9-15kg for weight and 120-220cm in length they seem like a really unique class 1 predator

[mighty rampart]

Entirely this

[mighty rampart]

A unique a cool class 1x absolutely. Can’t believe I didn’t think of them before!

[patent agate]

I'm actually really glad you agree, Africa has amazing big game all over the place but lots of people forget how many incredible small game animals it has.

A mega size gecko? Imagine having it taxi'd like it's climbing the wall in the lodge

[patent agate]

Is this a personal experience? Because that's cool af

[mighty rampart]

Yeah it was in the roof of our kitchen

[patent agate]

That's wild, I've seen lizards in camp before but they were always tiny little blue tail skinks. Africa is just fn awesome

[mighty rampart]

You think that’s cool?, wait until you see what I post tomorrow

[mortal rain]

Never knew Nile Monitors had such a large range?!?! that’s crazy!

[patent agate]

Right? Perfect small game for any Africa map

[mighty rampart]

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1280218987439067226

Would appreciate if you gents could check out my second contribution to the suggestions forum. The Rigby rifles.

[late pond]

Savanna monitors are massive and have huge range coverage. Ppl that get them as pets dont realize you need several sq feet of area bc they 1. Get massive 2. They are so active they'll travel for miles.

[dense folio]

Itd be nice to see this in game soon

[plucky quarry]

much much better than other rabbit/hare

[patent agate]

I like rabbits/hares, I just wish you couldn't hear them from miles away. They aren't even half as wary irl as in game either

[plucky quarry]

It's a boring hunt, several species of dogs were created to hunt them, it's sad that the game doesn't have hunting dogs to make it fun

that reminds me, pointer would be a good addition near the release of Africa 2.0, the last dog of the classic that is missing

[late pond]

Depends on the species. This is a prime example why I dont like overall species behavior ai. It would be more authentic if every game animal is tweaked to be more individually lifelike as they would irl. Rabbits/hares are vastly different in behavior based on their surroundings, climate, and predators.

[plucky quarry]

rabbit threatening 200 meters away in spam 🤣

[late pond]

It is pretty bad bc a forest cottontail is way different then a prairie jack rabbit.

[patent agate]

I grew up with cottontail rabbits in my area, they hold so tight in the brush you might step on them. I live in an area now that has tons of jackrabbits, they aren't as slow to run as cottontail but there's less cover so you can see them from farther away.

Cottontail I just carried a.22 revolver and subsonic ammo so I could take them without spooking deer.

Jack's I usually carry a rifle for but I can still get a few with a pistol if I take my time aiming

[late pond]

On a related note if Monitor lizards are added I'd love to see them chase & catch the hares.

[patent agate]

Could use the same kind of feed zone markers as foxes, monitors for Africa and perenti for Australia

[late pond]

Exactly & I agree I'd love this considering its a small game predator & the multi-mount would be great to add in my predator lodge. As well as my African predator room that is seriously lacking verity.

It has my vote for Africa 2.0 and the Savanna can keep the Jackels.

[patent agate]

Multimount idea, Nile monitor chasing green monkeys up a branch

[late pond]

I really want Jaguars, Hyenas, Caracals, Servals, Nile Croc, & Monitors. Honey Badger would be a great touch as well if they're permitted.

Adding these Predators along with the other popular game I'd pay $29.99 for the reserve.

[late pond]

Africa 2.0 Predators

Class 1: 1-15lbs
• Savanna Monitor - 13lbs

Class 2: 15-35lbs
• Serval - 26lbs
• Honey Badger - 35lbs

Class 3: 35-110lbs
• Caracal - 40lbs

Class 5: 250-375lbs
• Spotted Hyena - 140lbs (Danger Level: Packs aka Cackles)

Class 7: 600-1100lbs
• Leopard- 159lbs (Dangerous Cat # 3)

Class 9: 1500-2800lbs
• Nile Croc - 1700lbs

[plucky quarry]

hyena 4?

[dense folio]

Hyenas would probably be a lot like wolves

[late pond]

going off of the base irl classing. Bullets are classed around game weight ranges, penetration, expansion then you would apply cartridge and discharge ballistics.

[mortal rain]

Wolves shouldn’t be in 5/6.

I could see hyenas being 5 but more likely 4.
4 is the max I can see wolves being, they aren’t known for being tough or very large at all

[final current]

Jaguar, you meant Leopard right? Jaguar are exclusive to the Americas

[late pond]

only reason I agree w/ 5 is because they hunt in packs. IRL 6x - 180lb wolves vs you alone... not good odds however a lone wolf yes 4 all day. I guess in this case hyenas also are pack animals so 5 might be better

[late pond]

yea that was my bad I was looking at something and typed the wrong cat 😅 But they are similar in size and danger level.

[late pond]

Iberian wolves dont get more than 110lbs or so but Gray Wolves can get as large as 180lbs 115-160avg. Which is why I say 5 due to danger lvl over size. Size wise yea 4 all day solo.

[late pond]

👆 Its been edited

[patent agate]

There's a rumor at my local feed shop that someone just killed a wolf that weighed 210 pounds. The only reason I think this might be possible is down to the "medicine" some ranchers have in their beef cattle around here (I can't say for certain but since my wife has a lot of allergies we avoid storebought meat like the plague)

[late pond]

I believe it. I've worked beside wolf rescues in the past & I can honestly say standing next to them will put fear in anyone in the wild. Dont have a big fire for those in the bush with wolves its a dinner bell they are NOT scared of it.

[patent agate]

Ive seen it happen here, and I suppose it could be possible in Africa. But private land owners can issue permits to hunt on their land, either free or by selling them, and some of the less "honest" landowners will set out dosed baitpiles to make their animals much bigger so they can charge more for permits.

If this happens I'm not entirely sure the effects would stay with the original animal if it was eaten. Predators might be getting a sort of secondhand dose of growth hormones. Can't prove this, but it's something I halfway believe

[late pond]

In NE we have been getting more coyote hybrids they are nearly double in size and hunt in packs taking cattle. So I can easily see this being likely.

[patent agate]

I sort of severely hate the idea of bigger stronger pack predators.

[final current]

Ah yeah Eastern Coyotes, I've heard about them. They killed someone in Nova Scotia in 2009

[late pond]

These yotes from studies are revealing they crossed with domestic dogs. Alaska had this with husky's mixed with wild wolves where it would lead sled dogs away from camps. They are very clever as a species.

[patent agate]

It also doesn't help that they're the Apex Predator in most places because there's not many large predators these days

[late pond]

aside from mtn lions & wolves no. Wolves usually stay away from bears but not always the case

[noble knot]

Yooooo it’s at 1111 likes

[mystic token]

isnt the shooting range a bit too long? it looks like 500-700m range, no need for anything over 300 or 400 really

[strange viper]

I did it 1:1 to Hirchfelden, but it could be a little shorter yeah

Any feedback is really appreciated, thanks!

[mystic token]

no problem, also just noticed you misspelled my name so could you pls fix that 🥲

[strange viper]

Whoops, sorry about that 🥲

[mighty rampart]

Surge in likes today, is there a sale on any platform?

[buoyant cosmos]

Yes basically every reserve other than sundar is on sale on PS. Maybe on other platforms but I don’t play them.

[mighty rampart]

Ah that would explain it

[untold maple]

Yep. I got medved,Revontuli, and New England for 3 bucks each. Pretty good deal I must say

[dense folio]

I bought them all full price

[patent agate]

Yeah, paid full price on day of release for the maps

[buoyant cosmos]

So if there’s going to be giraffes on this map, what weapon class do you think they would be?

[dire prism]

Im going with Class 9 because the bulls approach 5,000lbs

[patent agate]

I'd think 8 or 9, think Wellington said he's for them being 9s.

[late pond]

9-10 due to size anything less would be under rated bullet wise IRL. Large game goes up to T:8 1500lb game like moose, brown bear, & Grizzly. Dangerous game bullets are solid cast for 1500+ lb game like cape/water buffalo at 2k lbs. Rhinos 8k lbs, Elephant 10-14klbs, so I suggest a 5k lb animal a T: 10

[earnest moth]

Leopard should be Class 5 or 6. Love the idea tho. The africa map feels too empty

[late pond]

7 due to danger lvl being the 3rd most dangerous cat. Weight wise yes it would be lower. Same would be said for Tigers & lions if weight was the only factor. But They are listed as Dangerous Game irl & so are Leopards & Jaguars technically.

[earnest moth]

Yea, but the puma and snow leopard are so low. Class 5 or 6 feels more right. Doesn't feel right having an 100kg> at the same class as black bears

[dire prism]

black bears can weigh as little as 40 kilos so idk, it works for me

[earnest moth]

Small females. Males usually weight around 250kg

[untold maple]

I think Leopard should be 8 honestly. They’re a part of the Big 5 for a reason. They are one of the most difficult hunts in Africa, and they are really dangerous to hunt.
They’ve been known to jump from person to person, and the highest count of that was(if I remember right) 5 people

[dire prism]

older and mature yeah, but most adults arent maximum mature size and tend to sit between 120 and 180 kilos

they also vary in size across their range, with southern populations being the smallest

[earnest moth]

No way. Definitely not class 8. Not near class 8.

[earnest moth]

A bit bigger then that bro

[dire prism]

that's the size of the majority of the bear population here in Colorado since the age bell curve holds around 2.5 to 5 years old when they tend to be smaller, it's usually 8yrs and older that they get fat

[earnest moth]

Some reach 300kg. They weight more then a average lion Cmon. Fat? In order to get fat they have to hunt. Hunting increases muscle. Black bears get atleast 250 on average before they get sh0t

[somber fjord]

Lions are class 9….

[earnest moth]

Yea. Idk why. Prob because they are bulky and they made them pretty aggressive.

[somber fjord]

It is because they are dangerous game

[dire prism]

black bears are literally seasonally obese to prepare for the winter (approaching 55% body fat by mass near the end of fall) and between 70% and 90% of their diet is plant matter throughout most populations. Most animal protein they get comes from scavenging and digging up rodent dens or exploiting freshwater prey.

Im not disputing that they can be heavy, im just pointing out that most of them dont get extremely heavy. For example, most male lions are 300-400lbs but 550lb or heavier specimens exist, they just aren't the norm.

[earnest moth]

Wait. Why did we go from Leopard to black bear?

[somber fjord]

.470 NE is used on them irl

[dire prism]

because you said it was weird to put leopards in the same class as them

[late pond]

Class: 1 (1-15lbs)
Ducks/Upland Birds
Hares/Rabbits/Grey Fox 15lbs/Tibetan Fox 12lbs

Class: 2 (15-35lbs)
•Geese •Turkeys 25lbs •Racoon Dog 22lbs •Racoon 26lbs •Red Fox-Jackel 30lbs

Class: 3 (35-110lbs)
•Musk Deer-Bobcat-Muntjac 40lbs •Coyote-Lynx 66lbs •Peccary 88lbs
•Springbok-Chamois-Ibex-Hog Deer 110lbs

Class: 4 (110-250lbs)
•Blue Sheep-Mouflon-Feral Goat-Snow Leopard-Iberian Wolf 120lbs
•Blackbuck 126lbs •Roe Deer 130lbs •Pronghorn-Kangaroo 142lbs •Mtn Goat 150lbs
•Blacktail-Tahr 160lbs •Axis-Fallow-Sika 175lbs •Grey Wolf 180lbs
•Mule-Whitetail-Mtn Lion 200lbs

Class: 5 (250-375lbs)
•Bighorn Sheep 315lbs •Boar-Pig-Hog-Warthog 330lbs •Rusa 353lbs
•Reindeer-Caribou 375lbs

Class: 6 (375-600lbs)
•Black Bear 500lbs •Red Deer 530lbs •Gemsbok-Blue Wildebeest 600lbs

Class: 7 (600-1100lbs)
•Barsingha 620lbs •Nilgai 635lbs •Elk-Alligator 1100lbs

Class: 8 (1100-1500lbs)
•Grizzly 1100lbs •Sambar 1200lbs •Brown Bear 1300lbs •Moose 1500lbs

Class: 9 (1500-2800lbs)
•Lion 500lbs •Tiger 680lbs •Banteng 1800lbs •Cape Buffalo 1900lbs •Bison 2200lbs
•Salt Croc 2400lbs •Water Buffalo-Yak 2600lbs

[patent agate]

You know it varies like crazy, in my old home state they had to weight 80 pounds minimum to be considered adult or You got HEAVY fines

[earnest moth]

Yea, because they are just alot bigger then leopards

[plucky quarry]

The danger is not because of the weight, it is because of the adrenaline, lions after being shot will run directly towards the hunter, rarely in a straight line, they run to attack without a defined trajectory, so it is important to kill quickly

[earnest moth]

80 pounds? Yall have babies my guy.

[somber fjord]

That is my point, which is why they are class 9, and that it would make sense for leopards to be class 7.

[plucky quarry]

I remember a hunter explaining something similar about hunting in Africa when reacting to videos

[patent agate]

Nothing gets super large in TN. My biggest bear (out of 9) was 310

[dire prism]

bigger doesnt mean much in terms of weapon class, it's about how dangerous the animal is and what is needed to take it down.

They were hunted with .375 H&H bolt actions and double barreled express rifles IRL, so class 6 or 7 makes sense to me

[earnest moth]

Yea honestly. Leopards should be around class 4 or 5. So making them class 6 is a bonus for that "dangerous" thing

[plucky quarry]

yes, people forget that the biggest danger an animal faces is its reaction after being shot, adrenaline is brutal 💀

[earnest moth]

I SAID 6 EARLIER

[dire prism]

dawg im not disputing it Im just saying either could work

[earnest moth]

Right here

[patent agate]

Yeah see, leopards have a really nasty habit of trying to maul anyone and everyone they see when they get shot non-fatally.

"I'm dying but ffs I'll make you regret it, B****!" mentality

[somber fjord]

And leopards are aggressive, so I think a higher class is warranted due to the danger they pose.

[dire prism]

big cat moment

is dying
overflowing with homicidal rage
"Im taking you bastards with me"

[earnest moth]

But it just feels to high. Since brown bears or class 7. And brown bears have killed more People then Leopards

[somber fjord]

Calibers like the .300 win mag should be able to be used on leopards imo

[dire prism]

brown bears should be class 8 ngl, class 7 is dumb when they exceed 1,000lbs

[patent agate]

I'd love it if that was a legitimate mechanic, wound but not fatally shoot a big cat and it runs to cover then charges when you get close? Gimme that challenge

[plucky quarry]

Cape buffalo pretending to be dead or going around player

[earnest moth]

Real. Crocs should be class 9 tbh

[mighty rampart]

Calibre is higher due to the aggressive nature of leopards, not their body mass

[dire prism]

also holy like surge 1,117 lmao, just saw that

[earnest moth]

No. You cant only use the aggressiveness. Look at the SIZE ASWELL!! it's under 75kg

[somber fjord]

Extra stopping power is preferred when hunting dangerous game

[mighty rampart]

Negative too low

[earnest moth]

If you're that light 300 caliber is just overdose. Gtg

[dire prism]

on average yess but 90-100kg infividuals have been known to exist

IMO class 7 is the place just so they can be hit with some of the dangerous game cartridges used for them

[patent agate]

Leopards are in that class of animal that is one or the other
Either you STOP it on the spot
Or your guide will hate you in very very best case scenario

[earnest moth]

Well while you guys are here.. PLEASE BRO LIKE MY SWEDISH MAP POST. I NEED A SWEDISH MAP

[mighty rampart]

Sweden would be meh, map would look nice but would just be more moose

[somber fjord]

Bud, some countries require you to use at least a .375 H&H for leopards lol

[earnest moth]

Red deer, Fallow deer, Roe deer, lynx, bears, wolfs, fox and more my guy. JUST LIKE IT I NEED IT

[plucky quarry]

WOTH with your new recycled map

[patent agate]

Please, no more MMAAAAAAAAAA

Seems like they're right in my ear when I'm trying to stalk literally anything else on the map

[plucky quarry]

I just want to listen to an angry elephant and look back EW

[mighty rampart]

Politely, Don’t come to my thread begging people to upvote your posts.

We don’t want that here

[earnest moth]

Not begging. IM PLEADING. and also just marketing

[patent agate]

I swear EW rounded up every moose, duck and goose and gave them megaphones and instructions to scream as loud as they could

[dense folio]

so uh, stay on topic in someone else's thread. You don't want people coming in yours and talking about their ideas

[patent agate]

I keep forgetting it's winter in Africa. Also my first instinct is the one on the right side looks like it could fill a freezer nicely

[mighty rampart]

He’s a big one!

If any of you are intrested in a rhino autopsy I did today check #🥩︴irl-hunting

Some rather NSFW images, but very important ones.

[buoyant cosmos]

Leopards are notoriously tough. They regularly tank shots from calibers like .375, .416, and .470. Even the .577 Tyrannosaur likely wouldn’t drop them. They are probably the toughest animal on the planet relative to their size. Class 7 is a MINIMUM for them. .375 is the minimum requirement for them in most countries. Class 8 would work just fine.

[earnest moth]

Wow. I forgot I was on this one. But I already liked this one

[dense folio]

oh yes, this is where you explained you thought you were on your own post?

[earnest moth]

No, my mind connected to the COTW chat.

[patent agate]

.585 Nyatti would be interesting in that list. It was designed specifically for cape buffalo

I think it's because the bullets for those calibers are designed for penetration and leopards don't really have the body mass to make them properly expand.

[buoyant cosmos]

Even then, large round calibers like 9.3x74r still doesn’t take them out super quick. Leopards are just astronomically tough. You could hit them with the Death Star Ray and they’d still probably run,

[patent agate]

What I mean is that I think they'd go down faster ig you used a bullet designed for large but thin skinned game like elk/black bear. It would have enough penetration to get past the hide and ribs but then expand in the lungs to kill humanely

[mortal rain]

I hope you know leopards are famous for walking off big bore calibers….

[patent agate]

And a lot of people aren't experienced enough to place the shot right anyway. Plus nerves, moving animals, low light,

Point is, big bullets don't guarantee anything

[buoyant cosmos]

No, but they should still be a higher class than 5. They’re much tougher than cougars.

[patent agate]

I could see 7, they are definitely tougher than cougars but on the other hand they aren't amazingly tough

[mighty void]

I would put them in #2, they are the size of a gray fox/racoon after all and I think hitting vitals would be pretty important

[dense folio]

Ooh, but that would be a lil difficult though, especially since they'd be much lower to the ground than a usual class 2

[mighty void]

It's still pretty large also I love myself a good challenge

They already did one but I want them to do more baobabs they are just so pretty

[dense folio]

The baobab in game isn't the best, I do hope for them to be present in Africa 2.0

[mighty void]

Yeah I agree it's one of my favorite plants I used to have one as a pet but it died

[patent agate]

Having hunted gray fox and raccoons my whole childhood I can tell you they should both be class 1. .243 will absolutely destroy them to the point you can't eat the meat and the hide is in tatters. .22 centerpieces work but you better be absolutely sure it's a safe shot and placed PERFECTLY or I will destroy them just as quick as a bigger caliber. I used .22 lr until I sold enough coon skins to buy a .22 mag and it handled everything from coyote down well enough

[buoyant cosmos]

The .22 Truncated rounds do some crazy work on both of them. They should definitely be class 1 animals.

[mighty void]

I know nothing about guns so all my knowledge comes from Cotw

[amber kindle]

Baobab tree in Kruger National Park, South Africa is of the same. They look very similar. The design is good.

[mighty void]

Yeah it's an Adansonia digitata they basically all look like that

They are sometimes used as houses which would make for s fancy lodge

[amber kindle]

A gift of nature

[mighty void]

Truly impressive I believe the houses are from the hadza tribe of east africa

[amber kindle]

Yes, from Tanzania. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hanzabe_Baobab_house.jpg

[mighty void]

One of my favorite African countries
https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1280655974742364160

[patent agate]

Lemme put it this way, when it comes down to weight the difference between a .243 and a .22 long rifle is about 60 grains for average bullet size.

The difference between .22 LR and .223 bullets is like 15 grains. The issue is, that .223 and .243 are meant for larger animals or long distances.

They work, but they are very destructive on anything less than 20 pounds or so. Not to mention they fly so much farther than a .22 LR so they can can put people or animals past your target in danger.

Rimfires, .22LR, .22 mag, and the .17s, waste much less meat on a bad shot, kill very humanely, and they're much less likely to pass through the target and hurt someone hundreds of yards away

[late pond]

Another thing to consider is even though a cartridge uses the same bullet and gr weight the cartridge sizes vary. This means more powder & more powder usually means more speed and energy applied to the bullets performance in flight as well as impact. 22lr is a really small cartridge with minimal energy making it effective for small game like rabbits. 223 uses a 22cal bullet but bigger case with more energy behind it that hits harder for coyote size game but will damage rabbits slightly more then a 22lr. However bullet types also play a huge roll in penetration & expansion rates on impact. 243 uses a 6mm (which is bigger than a 22cal) bullet where 22lr, 22H, 223, 22-250 use 22cal bullets but different cases with various powder charges that apply to different game. Hope this helps⁉️

[mighty void]

I think so yeah it does

[mortal rain]

Speaking of terrain, I’d love to see atleast a few termite mounds.

[untold maple]

They would become the bane of my ATV’s existence

[patent agate]

And yet, they'd be great to break LOS when you're bow hunting

[mighty rampart]

Likes going crazy

[torn belfry]

Are the nocturnal termite mounds in Africa like those in the Cerrado, do they emit green light?

[fleet forge]

Agreed

[mighty void]

Would br epic I would love for one of the developers to travel they're and take inspiration.

[mighty rampart]

Thoughts?

Not a fan of the rail personally

[strange viper]

I like the rails, it makes it look really unique

[mighty rampart]

Makes it look too Modern,

Should be replaced by something more like this.

Minus that horrible purple trigger and action

[strange viper]

Maybe we'll get more weapons for the calibre eventually 🤞

Adding new ones just opened another door for more and more options

[mighty rampart]

Could be that the rail is added with certain sights that fit it.

Not keen on it looking like that without a scope.

[untold maple]

It looks short to me

[mighty rampart]

Might just be the perception? Should be a long battle based off the vote. We will have to wait for more pictures

[untold maple]

Perception definitely doesn’t help.

I’m trying to find what there using as inspiration for the 375 right now

[plucky quarry]

I wanted the weapon to be more similar to the videos on YouTube that I see, I didn't like the rail either

[untold maple]

Honestly they could remove the rail and it would look so much better in my opinion

[patent agate]

Dislike. I hate the rail on the caversham shotgun already, I don't want it on the rifle too

[plucky quarry]

🙏

It's the only first-person game that can bother me when using weapons because of the rail and camera position.

[patent agate]

#1265311711355994133

Not shilling my crap ideas but c'mon EW, there's WAY better options for a .375

[buoyant cosmos]

I hope the rail is removable. That or EW will just remove it if enough people don’t want it. Personally I don’t really mind but I can see why some would.

[noble knot]

I mean it is just the 3D skeleton to it could just be the scope mount

[untold maple]

I can’t even find a a 375 with that rail on it

This was the closest I could find

[patent agate]

There's no reason for that rail to exist tho, if you look at any weapon in the game it just uses the rail attached to the scope itself and not the one on the weapon

[noble knot]

The kick on that carbon stock would be a bit strong I can feel my shoulder aching just looking at it

[patent agate]

Looks like my idea on the .300blk was right tho

[untold maple]

I don’t understand why gun manufacturers keep going for ultra light designs. Some guns should just stay heavier built

[buoyant cosmos]

Then again, that could also just be some piece on the gun in early development. It’s not a fully finished model, so they may remove that in the future.

[patent agate]

Is this what they're going for? Because if it is I think they'd be better off just basing the .375 on older designs

[noble knot]

Fr I saw a feather light .300 win mag at the store and it was fluted to that thing would kick like a truck

[buoyant cosmos]

Huge calibers for dangerous game should stay heavy. If you have a .300 PRC tho and you’re hunting elk in the mountains, it’s best to not have a 10 pound gun with a 3 pound scope on it, otherwise you’re gonna wanna die anytime you hike.

[patent agate]

I have a 7.8 pound .416 Ruger. I added 3 pounds of weight to the stock after 1 shot

[buoyant cosmos]

Yeah, guns like that need heavy stocks.

[noble knot]

Light weight 950 jdj anyone

[buoyant cosmos]

Good luck getting smacked when the recoil flicks that barrel into your face

[patent agate]

It's also very basic design tho. This is a .375, a caliber usually carried by people hunting something dangerous

If you get charged and have to shoot fast, you want as clear a sight picture as you can get, not some stupid rail blocking the sights

[noble knot]

No more shoulder

[buoyant cosmos]

Right, which is why I’m thinking this is just a temporary thing as this is in early development,

[untold maple]

Lighter guns are definitely better for mountain game. But people used to hunt mountain game with heavier rifles back in the day

But ultimately a light weight 375 just doesn’t make sense to me

[patent agate]

A .375 has 45 pounds of felt recoil in a 9 pound rifle, guess how much it has in a lighter rifle

[buoyant cosmos]

Right, but the .375 was also voted to be a wood stock weapon via the poll

[buoyant cosmos]

People also used horses and pack mules more often for mountain game back in the day. Easier to carry a heavy rifle when you have a horse or mule that can take you high into the mountains.

[untold maple]

Definitely, the photo I grabbed was just the closest I could find to a 375 with a rail on it

And then we all had a tangent about a light weight 375

[buoyant cosmos]

Yeah, and I don’t think it should have a rail now that I think about it. The entire point of a .375 is for it to be used on dangerous game up close. I’m hoping that the rail is just something that they have in early development.

[untold maple]

Exactly, I can’t even find a model of a wood stock 375 with a rail on it. I’m trying to find what they used for inspiration but I can’t find anything similar to it

[patent agate]

Looks like a slightly modified. 22-250 frame

Somehow, in the process of looking for the reference picture of that .375.

I found the company who makes the odd stock on the Ranger .243

[dense folio]

That is one odd stock

[patent agate]

They have better looking ones. Thankfully

Tbh, I'm looking at getting a bare bones basic .30-06 to use as a general hunting rifle for the more open areas on my place. I utterly hate plastic stocks tho, but I'm considering one of these

Ranger .243/Argus scope

Also, look at those woods. That scope ain't seeing the forest for the trees

[amber kindle]

Rail? No, please

[late pond]

I personally prefer heavy barrels as a stabilizer or even a carbon barrel. Light barrels make me sway too much when drawn unless its a good wood stock. Polymers or even laminate thumbhole stocks are great to counter it if its light.

[late pond]

woox cobra stock in tiger wood would be great.

[patent agate]

I'll probably stick with walnut and the wild man configuration

[late pond]

still a good choice. I'm just fond of thumbhole stocks with a cheek rest over most modern tradition stocks. They dont feel right to me

[patent agate]

I kinda just want a RL analog for the Ranger .243

[late pond]

Dont get me wrong my older Ruger M77 feels great but most modern models today dont feel right. Same with a good number of polymer stocks. I guess the best way to put it they feel cheap or rushed.

[late pond]

but yea in-game both the 243 & 223 are oddly platformed where a woox or boyds stock wouldve been a better option. This is why I wish we had a gunsmith option to further personalize our weapons with an individual weapon mastery unlock mechanic over an overall weapon type mechanic. This would include stocks, barrels, brakes, ammo (bullet weights), & engravings as a final level unlock that could be applied to all our weapons. As for accessories it would be overall weapon type unlocks as it is currently with scopes & bipods.

[late pond]

but to keep it simple as the game is a new tech gear pack with stocks, barrels and bipods would be an awesome addition.

[mighty rampart]

Might be worth a “remove the rail from the .375 post”

[late pond]

I agree it'll be more traditional with a 2pc scope mount over a rail mount.

[mighty rampart]

Any day

[late pond]

Other than the 375 with a rail that should be a 2pc scope mount I'm actually glad to see the 300blk as a scout ranch variant as it should be, & the 450 bush for the most part looks as I'd expect it to as well, though I wish they all were wood stocks 😓 Now EW do us proud and design them to perform as they would IRL over your traditional class system.

• 300Blkout - T: 2-7 - (110gr 2-3/ 125gr 4-6/ 220gr 7): Short - Mid range
• 450Bush - T: 4-8 - (250gr 4-6/ 300gr 7-8): Short - Mid Range
• 375H&H - T: 6-10 - (260gr 6-7/ 300gr 8-10) Short - Long Range

[patent agate]

Or at least give us the option to apply wood grain to the stocks. I hate that the 7mm can't

[late pond]

If nothing else I can accept these Tiers:
300blk: (2-6)
450Bush: (4-8)
375H&H: (5-10)

[late pond]

I would love this as an alternative for all our weapons.

[patent agate]

Name your top 3 African animals

Dangerous game: hippo, no question

Plains game: hartebeest but impala is a close second

Small game: blue duiker, obsessed with rabbit size antelope

[buoyant cosmos]

For the .375 I’d expect 7 as the minimum at the least. Probably class 8 - 9 (eventually 10)

[untold maple]

1.Lord Derby Eland
2.Nile Crocodile
3.Black lechwe

That’s my top 3

[late pond]

375H&H Hornady 250gr is rated for 50-300lb game & 270-300gr it goes from 300lb game to Dangerous Game IRL so technically T: 3-10 if were being realistic!

but by in-game weapon class presets it would actually match the 7mm 4-9 but we all know its used for 2800+lb game IRL so it would be 4-10 by in-game presets if we go off of game logic.

[buoyant cosmos]

Then there should be 2 different round types. One for medium game and one for big/dangerous game.

[buoyant cosmos]

Dangerous Game: African/Indian Leopard

Plains Game: Burchell’s or Mountain Zebra

Small Game: Springhaas

[patent agate]

They could easily do this
A 250gr soft point class 6-8 and a 300gr expanding round nose for 8-9 class

Eventually a 9-10 class 300gr solid for max penetration with really big game like hippo, rhino and elephants

[late pond]

4-6/7-10 would be the route I'd take for in-game, if not 4-10 as a general. You know where I stand I'd prefer 2-3 ammo options. Again if not a rework to all caliber tier ranges would suffice.

[amber kindle]

👇🏻 👍🏻 💯

[late pond]

I am pleased to see this for the 450Bush

[mortal rain]

We should’ve gotten the bushmasters sights on the .375 (the one that needs it the most).

[late pond]

The only change is the rail needs to be a 2pc mount. The sights are related to a Rigby from the look of it.

[amber kindle]

Rail reduces visibility and this puts me in danger. And it bothers me.

[late pond]

300blk makes sense as a ranch/scout variation as it should be. The 450Bush is what I'd expect it to be as a bolt variant. But the 375 the rail on a what is suppost to be traditional throws it off badly. I like my 1pc rails on some of my rifles but my traditionals like my Ruger M77 yea. NEVER! Esp. on a Rigby based model.

[patent agate]

Does it kinda bother anyone else that the rear sight is not on the barrel but the action? Like, I'm fine with aperture/ring style sights there but a notch type should be out on the barrel ahead of the action so it's easier to focus with

[late pond]

I dont mind it, do to my length of pull personally. It is an odd design but I find it to be helpful.

[patent agate]

Yeah, I don't mind the express style rear sight but the front sight should be a nice big bead, much as they look great the hood on the front sight can be very easily pulled off in thick brush and the front sight post looks too small and thin for quick shooting at close targets

[patent agate]

It's not terrible but I just kinda feel like it's an odd choice

[late pond]

I think Ruger does this style if I recall but more so on the scout/ranch models

[mortal rain]

I just can’t see why the rail was necessary or why it was thought of.

I mean look at the gamekeeper!

[late pond]

I wouldn't mind if its referenced to a Ruger Alaskan that would be sweet

Think the aim here based on the images was Ranch styled rifle models⁉️

[patent agate]

It's really not necessary, it literally serves no purpose if there's not a scope on the gun, only blocks the area around the sights

[plucky quarry]

I swear if the weapon pack is 4-8 bushmaster and 7-9 .375 I won't buy the pack 🤣 enough of the same type of class for weapons, but I hope .375 gets class 10 with Africa map 2 😭

[patent agate]

Then you probably won't buy the pack cuz I'm almost sure that's how it'll play ot

[plucky quarry]

I know, I like the real 375, but I don't put expectations on the game

Leucistic or albino 🤔 I want this trophy

[patent agate]

Might actually be piebald? Maybe, it's kinda hard to say

[late pond]

I'm nearly certain it'll likely be a 4-9 (7mm), 5-9 (9.3x74r) or a 7-9 (.300-.338) based on the fixed tiers. I hope it'll be more like the 7mm 4-10 as a teaser but we'll see. 450 I'm expecting to be a 4-8 which is fair for the caliber & 300blk 2-6 like the (243) as this is also fair. Both the 300blk & 450bush are 200yd calibers so based on my experience with them irl this is reasonable.

[patent agate]

I wish they'd use different class ranges from time to time. Make the .375 cover 5-9, the .450 a 3-7, and the .300 a 2-5 as examples so it's not the same "throw it in the 4-8 bucket and send it out" sort of thing

[late pond]

yea I do agree with you there that some mixter tiers would be ideal.

[patent agate]

They could stand to shuffle classes/calibers a bit more until they find a balance that feels good. Personally it annoys me to no end that I can't use the .270 on pronghorn or the .30-30 on black bear

[late pond]

agreed however I do anyway regardless of the medal score. I dont like how the calibers a fixed either compared to ammo ratings irl.

[amber kindle]

One thing I normally see is that a rifle with a rail does not have a front sight, and another does not have the rail but does have a front sight with or without protected annular. There may be a rifle that has a rail with front sight, but with protected front sight??? I don't know if this exists.

[patent agate]

The Sako is gorgeous, but yeah you're not wrong. The front sight hood looks odd a on a .375. It really just needs a nice bead sight like the Olsson .308. Except white, or ivory colored (I made a "ivory" front sight bead with a boar tusk for an old rifle and JEEZ I got yelled at by like 15 people for daring to have ivory)

[late pond]

The rail is added as an additional no doubt about it like someone replaced it which is why it makes no sense on the .375, I hate it honestly. All I was pointing out is the models I'm seeing here look like ranch styled rifles as a theme.

[patent agate]

Yeah I sorta nailed the .300's design when I saw the second poll and I was even kinda close with the .450

Hold up.

[plucky quarry]

yes, basically I use the same set of weapons on all maps because there is no reason to change the set. An example would be .6.5mm not being 3-7, 4-8 for it makes it useless, because there are several weapons in the same category and there is no reason to use it, my view is clear .

[patent agate]

FOUND IT

[late pond]

Thats why me & Huxley agree ammo should be the Tier factor over the caliber as a whole. I believe folks should have utility in their preferred calibers just like irl.

[patent agate]

That .375 tease image is almost a dead match for the Fallout 4 mod to add a Remington 700 to the game by Utherian. Knew I'd seen that somewhere

[late pond]

Yea seems pretty darn close dont it, 98% match

[patent agate]

It looks close enough that I think if it wasn't straight up yanked then they were definitely looking at pictures of it

[late pond]

For sure, even so the rail shouldn't be visible w/o the optic

[plucky quarry]

yes, we already have the option to exchange ammunition with gunpowder weapons, the developers could release something similar for the other weapons without difficulty I think

[late pond]

Arrows & shells are also prime examples

[plucky quarry]

the same with shotguns of course

[patent agate]

It's not there if you don't equip a scope, at least in Fallout 4. Utherian does fantastic work and he usually gives open perms for his mods as long as no one tries to monetize it

[amber kindle]

Is a mod from Fallout 4? A model 3D

[patent agate]

Yep, Utherian's Remington 700 on Nexus Mods for Fallout 4

Without the suppressor and box mag tho

[late pond]

sry I shouldve been specific on EW's model it shouldn't be visible. With an optic ok fine though I still believe the rail needs to be replaced as a 2pc mount.

[patent agate]

Oh no, I just meant that with the mod it's not visible so I'd expect the same level of detail from an actual company if a modder can do it for free

[late pond]

Agreed

[plucky quarry]

What do you think of the design of the .375 do woth?

[mortal rain]

Meh

[late pond]

I'd take a Rigby wood stock model over a factory polymer model. Though I'll admit Rem 700's are like Jeeps with 100's of aftermarket build options

[patent agate]

It's fine, but it doesn't feel great. The ammo update made it really weak too. Since it's a Remington rifle, the WotH devs made it less accurate than it should be too.

But hey, it doesn't have that stupid rail so that's a bonus

[buoyant cosmos]

Thing is, we don’t know if that rail is a permanent addition. It might just be something to do with the early development.

[late pond]

We're aware however I'm expecting them to view our thoughts as is before the final design.

[patent agate]

But it's better to start showing that we don't like the rail now than when it's two weeks from releasing so they can change the model

[buoyant cosmos]

True

[plucky quarry]

I believe the devs' goal is to have the rail, but maybe they look at the feedback and change it much better to see feedback at the beginning of modeling than at the end

[patent agate]

Not to mention, they must have posted those pics hoping for reactions. If they had made a final decision on the design then why post them this early?

As far as I'm concerned, they nailed the .300blk and .450 models, those are fine as pictured. But that .375 needs to lose the rail and change to a bead style front sight

[plucky quarry]

exactly that, normally they would only show it near the end, but since the vote I believe they want to hear more from the community to get good reactions when it launches, after all, people chose, a thousand times happy than unhappy

[patent agate]

I'm hoping for the v-notch and bead style, just like the Olsson .308. That is by far my favorite iron sight in the game

[amber kindle]

Ok?

[patent agate]

Yeah, except the bead might be slightly bigger for faster shots

[late pond]

I like the 450 though I really want it like the Ruger Alaskan: https://www.michaelbane.tv/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Ruger-450-Bushmaster-Alaskan.jpg

I hate polymer but if we had the option to use the wood pallets in the cosmetic packs that would be perfect.

[patent agate]

I'm ordering one of these. Ruger's Guide rifle in .375. But if the .450 is a good stopping rifle it might be a better choice I. The devil's club

[late pond]

I have alot of reasons why I want the 450Bush personally. But as a 200yd caliber it hits hard. 375H&H yea its a powerhouse hands down as an all around caliber just expensive 😅

[patent agate]

Yeah, it's not one to shoot just for fun. Even reloading is nuts

[late pond]

tell me about it esp. in todays market.

[patent agate]

D*MN it

I tried to get rid of my .350L ammo and the only guy I knew that had one sold it so he doesn't need ammo

[late pond]

Ex. Hornady ammo - IRL

300Blk: (2-5)
• 135gr FTX: (< 50lb - 300lb Game)

450Bush: (3-8)
• 250gr FTX: (50-1500lb Game)

375H&H: (3-10)--->250gr (3-8) / 300gr (5-10)
• 250gr CX: (50-1500lb Game)
• 300gr DGX Bonded: (300lb -Dangerous Game)

[late pond]

Honey Badgers don't care • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE85pfc932Y

[late pond]

My 3 fav. African Animals
• African Wild Dogs
• Honey Badgers
• Meerkats

[buoyant cosmos]

What if it’s something like this: the rail is supposed to have a scope on it, but since it’s an early development build they haven’t implemented it yet?

[mighty rampart]

We will see
Either way it’s not a nice mounting for scopes

[patent agate]

Great, if so.

But like I said before, all the scopes have a rail attached to them that is used to mount them on the rifle even if the rifle has a rail built on it

Idk if they'd even consider it but for exceptionally hard recoiling rifles it takes a stronger scope. Maybe with the .375 we could get a 2-6x30mm (or at least close) scope specifically for it.

Other guns have specific scopes, like the hudzik or the lever actions (which neither actually needs, they could both mount regular scopes just fine)

[leaden wave]

All I will say is I find 16x crazy in this game as I personally can see fine with 8x both in game and IRL at very far ranges

[carmine geyser]

I used the 16x once when I first bought it and never again
Irl would use irons out very far too

[leaden wave]

Yeah some irons I can

[fair scroll]

@mighty rampart Do you still do anti poaching?

[leaden wave]

He should be specific terror orgs in Africa still gets a good chunk of their revenue off of illegal hunting of ivory and other stuff I watched a whole docuseries on it

[mighty rampart]

Yes

[kindred schooner]

Horse

[somber fjord]

What about horse?

[dire prism]

H O N S E

[dire prism]

damn where'd you find this picture of me

[mighty rampart]

Haha

[patent agate]

Found out today that someone in our gun club has a .500 NE singleshot I might get to try out

[noble knot]

Boom stick

[patent agate]

WHY DID WE GET SCRAWNY KUDU WHEN IMPALA ARE THIS FREAKING AMAZING

[noble knot]

Wow

[patent agate]

Dapple. I had no idea impala could even be this color

These are sold as breeding stock but I gotta know if this can naturally occur. Also.

Impala Great One?

[noble knot]

BI color very rare variant?

[fair scroll]

Oh nice

[somber fjord]

Why did we get lesser kudu is my question

[final current]

If they wanted a medium sized spiral-horned antelope, the Nyala is present in several countries in Southern Africa

[patent agate]

Also, why springboks when there was gazelles?

[mighty rampart]

Would have preferred impala over speingbok

[patent agate]

I'd have much preferred impala and grants gazelle

[dense folio]

I would have loved a Chevy Impala instead of springbok

[fair scroll]

Have you caught any poachers?

[patent agate]

I got a lesser kudu with miss matched horns like this guy. Still rather have impala in game

[stark sigil]

This would be awesome

[mighty rampart]

Personally I’ve not grabbed and arrested one, but I’ve worked in successful reaction patrols that have caught them if that makes sense ( we’ve followed their tracks with dogs and reported it in so that we can find and intercept them)

[strange kiln]

Does anyone know why the lesser kudu was added to the Vurhonga Savanna instead of the greater kudu? When in South Africa the greater kudu is much more famous for hunting, and the greater kudu is hunted mainly in Tanzania and Ethiopia.

[strange viper]

Better map :)
It's still rough around the edges (literally) but I wanted to share it
||I also fixed your name @mystic token 💀 ||

[mystic token]

it looks so good

EW gotta copy this when they make it themselves 🙏🙏

[untold maple]

I wish I could tell you why, but I can’t find any logic behind their decision

[mighty rampart]

Dude this looks amazing, your continued work on this always surprises me. Gets even better each time you update us!

Would you feel confident making a reserve logo?

[dense folio]

Most likely to better diversify the animals, greater kudu would be what, 7/8? And with lesser kudu being where they're at, it makes more sense game-wise to have them instead

[noble knot]

That looks real you got some real fictional cartography skills

Idk what EW is waiting so long for the community has already done the concept and species list

[buoyant cosmos]

Jaxy said on stream a while ago that if they did Africa 2.0 it would probably be one of their last maps because nothing could top it (which just flat out isn’t true), but that was also long before this post went massive, so their road map might have changed.,

[noble knot]

Well yeah a arctic map would be peak

[buoyant cosmos]

Honestly any map EW will make will be good. Even NEM is good, simply because of how beautiful it is. If they make a map with new species, it’s going to be insanely good.

[noble knot]

Very true but we won’t know much they are pretty secretive I am always haunted by “I can nether confirm nor deny”-Jaxybreard

[buoyant cosmos]

I kinda like how secretive they are about it. It adds to the hype and it makes people extra excited when they reveal what the map is.

[noble knot]

That’s true I am never really annoyed by the secrecy it just can be a bit frustrating when the New thing is almost out

[noble knot]

Idk you have had some pretty great map ideas I was looking threw the suggestions and I saw the two

[strange kiln]

Actually, the most frustrating thing in my opinion is that they decided to make one map per year instead of two as they had been doing in previous years.

[noble knot]

I don’t really mind it the maps have been fire

[strange kiln]

For me, a little bit yes, because before we had a lot of new content, two DLCs and two new maps per year and now we have three or two DLCs and one map per year, I see that as a bit decadent.

[noble knot]

Yeah but with one map per year they get to put a lot more time into the models ,maps ,animations and features which makes the maps in my opinion a whole lot more enjoyable than the I feel kinda of rushed 2

[strange viper]

I could actually do that although I'm not an 'icon' focused person so yeahh
I'll try tho

[carmine geyser]

Since they have dropped to one map a year the maps have def increased in quality

[fair scroll]

Have shots ever been fired?

[mighty rampart]

Yes

[untold maple]

That’s a nice looking one

[plucky quarry]

Do Cape Buffalo really spit urine on hunter? I remember hearing that they can mark hunters who climb trees like that to track them later 💀

[mighty rampart]

A patrol becomes special whenever I see one of these bad boys

[mighty rampart]

No idea what your saying here

[untold maple]

Dang! You saw a black rhino! That’s impressive I must say

[mighty rampart]

My first time seeing one, amazing creature.

[untold maple]

If I was there I would have done nothing but take pictures for an hour

[somber fjord]

Urine doesn’t come out from the mouth lol

[somber fjord]

That is really cool

[patent agate]

Nice! Young animals are a good sign for the population so it's even better to see them. Now you just gotta make sure they stay safe

Side note, anybody poaching rhinos/elephants deserve a thorn in their foot every 3rd step

[mighty rampart]

You’ll be happy to hear that elephant poaching has become pretty rare here.

We’ve not had a single call out for an elephant carcass in 3 years.

[dire prism]

That's awesome

[patent agate]

Nice, good to hear it's slowing down so much!

[plucky quarry]

Oh, I'm talking about a video I saw a while ago where a hunter said this

[plucky quarry]

I didn't say it comes out of his mouth, but rather that he licks it and "spits it out" 🤣 maybe a myth

[somber fjord]

Sounds like it would be

[plucky quarry]

yes, that's what I'm thinking too, the guy was reacting to videos and commented, I don't remember which video it was, it must have been a joke

[mighty rampart]

2 min ago

[strange viper]

Scary and cool at the same time

[untold maple]

Scary cool

[final rivet]

Crazy

[mystic token]

at that point mount a .50 cal M2 Browning machine gun onto the truck

[patent agate]

Could you hear bones crunching? That close I'd almost expect it

[fair scroll]

Why?

[dense folio]

Probably because poachers shot at them first

[dusky oak]

Do you quite like animals Wellington? Seems like a cool job

[mighty rampart]

Not like a nature fanatic, I just know the value of the stuff I see while doing this job. Must say though that the wildlife grows on me more and more everyday

[mighty rampart]

Right now very scary, they’re outside my picket, next to the other team who’s here with me.

Those guys must be shitting themselves right now

[untold maple]

And just like that..,ghost and the darkness

[mighty rampart]

Audio not doing it justice, they’re around 70ish meters from us.

Maybe 15 from team 2

[dense folio]

hyenas?

[untold maple]

Any plans for if they get closer?

[mighty rampart]

The lions from earlier, they moved into our pickets

Not really much we can do about it either. Team 2 has no firearms. I’ve only got a shotgun that double feeds all the time and has a weak fireingpin.

[untold maple]

Yep…more and more like ghost and the darkness

You are gonna have some very fun pub stories when you make your way back to the UK

[mighty rampart]

If they try to climb onto the roof of the ruined building my team are in we will fire warning shots

If they still manage to get onto the roof we will defend ourselves

If we hear anyone from team two calling out to us, then I don’t know. We have to do something. But we’re extremely limited by the fact that we know there’s at least 9-13 in this area that we saw recently.

The question is would we have time to jump off the roof and into one of the pickups before getting chowed?

First step probably lots of warning shots and yelling.

[untold maple]

You have a questionably operating shotgun…I’m sure you would at least get to the door before being overrun

[mighty rampart]

I’ll use it as a club

[untold maple]

The doom eternal soundtrack playing in the background as you’re fighting off a lion

[dense folio]

I hope you all make it out fine

[patent agate]

I mean ffs you are in lion territory, they should at least make sure you have decent weapons to defend yourselves

[mighty rampart]

This is anti-poaching. We are not given government funding and make do with what we have.

Luckily we have our wits about us

[untold maple]

Had me worried there for a bit. Did the lions leave?

[patent agate]

Can I send you guys a donation? Like, anything?

[mighty rampart]

Negative it’s a private company.

Best thing to do is beat the drum for our cause through word of mouth.

[sick zodiac]

@mighty rampart is it easy to be a anti-poacher? Like what do you need to do to get in?

[mighty rampart]

It’s not easy to do the job, must be very physically active and not a halfwit.

There’s no formal qualifications required spending on which own you join.

[patent agate]

OK well dam*

Anyway glad to hear from you, how long did the lions hang around?