I feel there should be more small game animals on all the reserves. Some species for example could be squirrels, skunks, beaver, marten, mink, nutria, meerkat, and also add raccoons to maps other than the one map that already has them.
Also, I know the game is specifically called "The Hunter" but hunting and trapping go hand in hand. I believe traps should be added for the new small game animals and for some of the existing small game animals as well. Some traps being connabear traps(beaver, nutria), foot traps(coyotes, wolves, foxes), snare traps(very wide variety of species, comes in different sizes, add a ramp to place on tree for squirrels, marten, mink, and other climbing animals), box traps(very wide variety of species, comes in different sizes), and dog proof traps(raccoons).
I believe this would be a nice project for the developers to do some research and create beautifully detailed small game animals. I'm sure it is a challenge they would want to take on to perfect their animation skills. I personally would love to see what they could come up with.
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uncut tree
wary quiver
An interesting idea as long as it remains within the legal furbearer species of each reserve, for example within Silver Ridge Peak we would have these species..
https://cpw.state.co.us/thingstodo/Pages/SmallGameDatesFees.aspx
Although taking into account the policy of not showing the violence of hunting that CotW has, we would only see the dead animal when we go to pick up the Trap, we would not shoot it..
This hunting/Trapping mode would be good and would serve to "fill" the maps with all the harvestable species since there are some animals that are too small for the game's graphics engine and limits when it comes to adding new animal populations to the existing maps.
If furbearers will remain outside of the population spawn system, how would that work?
Would we set the trap and after X amount of time would we go pick it up to see if there are any animals in it?
Would the animal medal and fur type be random?
uncut tree
@wary quiver I'm glad you like the general idea and have questions about it. I'm not qualified to answered said questions as I'm not a game developer. Thank you!
wary quiver
Ok so when I have time I will place the seasons of furbearers of each reserve according to the region in which they are based on real life and I will explain a little how it could work, I am sure that some players would like to enter every few hours to review their line of traps xD.
Not everyone is a hunter or knows how they normally work it.
Without development these ideas end up at the bottom of the idea jar.
radiant belfry
I’d be worrying about the ethicality of traps.
wary quiver
For hunting, all traps are considered unethical...
All traps intended to immobilize animals without causing death are considered animal abuse under current laws...
The trapping season laws in the EU consider as permitted only those traps that cause the instant death of the animal, but the NA laws allow the use of both traps, both immobilization and instant death ONLY during trapping seasons..
If this type of harvesting is added at some point and is applied universally to all maps of the game, it would only be applicable to small fur-bearing animals :S
Layton Lake - Pacific Northwest - Washington/Oregon
Furbearer Species:
Bobcat
Gray fox
Red fox
Marten
Muskrat
Mink
Raccoon
River otter
Fisher
Ringtail
Wolverine
Kit fox
Canada lynx
Sea otter
American Badger
Coyote
Nutria
Opossum
Porcupine
Spotted Skunk
Striped Skunk
Weasel
Beaver
https://myodfw.com/articles/oregon-furbearer-hunting-and-trapping-regulations
I had planned to investigate but there are so many legal gray areas in EUR that it is confusing, there is also information in various forums but I can't verify that everything is correct, this could take me time xD
uncut tree
@wary quiver Thanks for the effort you're putting into my idea.
wary quiver
No problem, I will compile all the information I can so it is all in one thread for the future..
Medved Taiga - Siberia/Russia
Furbearer Species
Eurasian Lynx (Lynx lynx)
Wolverine (Gulo gulo)
Eurasian Otter (Lutra lutra)
Sable (Martes zibellina)
Indian Marten (Charronia flavigula)
Wild cats (Felis spp.)
Eurasian Beaver
Eurasian Badger
Martens (Martes spp.)
Marmots (Marmota spp.)
Common Raccoon (Procyon lotor)
European Mink (Mustela lutreola)
https://www.traffic.org/site/assets/files/10064/fur-trade-in-the-russian-far-east.pdf
thorny zenith
When they release a new map, they usually add one unique animal and the others are just reskins. In Australia that was the Kangaroo. Do you really think they will put time and effort to add new animals to old maps for free ?
radiant belfry
When they release a new map, they usually add one unique animal and the others a...
If we really ask,yes.
wary quiver
When they release a new map, they usually add one unique animal and the others a...
If a Trapping Season modality is added, none of these animals will be present on the map and it would not work within the normal animal spawn system, the animals would only appear inside the traps already killed, as they do in real life since many of these small furbearers are not Game Species and therefore cannot be shot with guns during regular hunting seasons...
The Trapping system would serve to collect fur as in real life or trophies as in the game, no movement or AI mechanics or any modification of the maps will be necessary.
If it were added as a DLC there would be no problem since this modality may not interest many players, but it would have enough animals and trophies to justify its purchase..
wary quiver
As I mentioned before, it would be a bit complicated to apply this type of hunting in EUR, since the fur trade and the capture of fur-bearers, as well as the use of Traps for any hunting or capture purpose, are prohibited there.
However, it is still possible to use them as long as a training course has been passed on the use of traps and wildlife capture and traps approved by law are used or that do not go against the animal abuse treaty (which only allows instant death traps) and on animals approved for population reduction or elimination of invasive species...
Within these limitations the number of species allowed (and that could be applied to the game) is currently very limited...
Hirschfelden / Germany/Center EU
Racoon Dog (Nyctereutes procyonoides)
Muskrat (Ondatra zibethicus)
Red Fox (Vulpes vulpes)
European pine marten (Martes martes)
European Beaver (Castor fiber)
https://www.face.eu/hunting-methods-culture/trapping/
Cuatro Colinas / Spain
American Mink (Neogale vison)
Racoon (Procyon lotor)
Red Fox (Vulpes vulpes)
Wild Boar (Sus scrofa)
https://elpais.com/elpais/2016/10/14/media/1476451925_926308.html
https://laadministracionaldia.inap.es/noticia.asp?id=1204833
rocky pond
If the EU is complicated, then I wonder how Vurhonga (South Africa) would be
wary quiver
I am not finding information about trapping there, although I am finding information about the northwest, although in all cases it is associated with poaching and brushmeat :S
rocky pond
I am not finding information about trapping there, although I am finding informa...
and coupled with Vurhonga's missions involving the removal of traps set by poachers, I imagine trapping may have to skip over the African Reserves
wary quiver
Yeah, I think it will be like that, there are no laws or permissions beyond the privileges of some tribes
wary quiver
Te Awaroa / New Zealand
As we have already seen in a mission within the Reserve, there are already a couple of traps placed and these are only used to capture/eliminate invasive species, there are even many groups and instructions that teach the management of these traps.
The use of traps to capture game animals is prohibited, so this is the list of species allowed to capture with the Trapping modality.
-Stoat (Mustela erminea)
-Ferret (Mustela
furo)
-Weasel (Mustela nivalis)
-Feral Cat (Felis catus)
-Brushtail possum (Trichosurus vulpecula)
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1953/0031/latest/DLM277319.html?search=ta_act_A_ac%40ainf%40anif_an%40bn%40rn_25_a&p=2
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1953/0031/latest/DLM278547.html?search=ta_act_A_ac%40ainf%40anif_an%40bn%40rn_25_a&p=2#DLM278547
wary quiver
New England Mountain - Maine/New Hampshire -Appalachian US
This is another region where it is legal and has trapping seasons with a fairly wide variety of species.
-Coyote (Canis latrans)
-Fisher (Pekania pennanti)
-Red Fox (Vulpes vulpes)
-Gray Fox (Urocyon cinereoargenteus)
-Opossum (Didelphis virginiana)
-Skunk (Mephitis mephitis)
-Racoon (Procyon lotor)
-Mink (Neovison vison)
-Muskrat (Ondatra zibethicus)
-Weasel (Mustela nivalis)
-Beaver (Castor canadensis)
-Bobcat (Lynx rufus)
-Marten (Martes americana)
-River Otter (Lontra canadensis)
-Red Squirrel (Tamiasciurus hudsonicus)
-Black Bear (I don't think this one works XD)
https://www.maine.gov/ifw/hunting-trapping/trapping/laws-rules/index.html
https://www.wildlife.nh.gov/hunting-nh/furbearer
O_O https://www.maine.gov/ifw/hunting-trapping/trapping/laws-rules/bear.html
wary quiver
Parque Fernando - Patagonia/South Argentina
In Argentina the use of traps to capture game animals is prohibited.
However, as in Te Awaroa/New Zealand, the use of traps to eradicate invasive species is permitted, although the list of these is very small.
The permission to use these traps arises because they do not represent a danger to the native fauna since, being species with amphibian habits, they are placed on the banks of bodies of water in areas with a clear presence of these species.
-Beaver (Castor canadensis)
-Vison (Neovison vison)
-Muskrat (Ondatra
zibelthicus)
I do not have links to resources that are in English since all regulations are issued through National Laws written in Spanish and there is no clear policy for the management of invasive species. Basically they are declared invasive (breeding, transportation, purchase is prohibited) but there are no elimination programs other than those promoted by some non-profit organizations or private land owners.
Even so, I leave you the link of the hunting season and species in the Patagonia area that is also useful to see some species that can be added by backfilling xD
https://www.aicacyp.ar/blog/temporada-de-caza-2022-3-chubut/
http://www.aicacyp.ar/blog/temporada-de-caza-2022-tierra-del-fuego/ (Species list in Pdf - page 4)
rocky pond
**Parque Fernando - Patagonia/South Argentina**
In Argentina the use of traps t...
I put "Neovison" into google and the American Mink came up, can't say that is all surprising that they got imported all over the world
wary quiver
Yeah, during the fur trade boom of the 19th century, mink and various fur-bearing species were introduced in every possible place around the world with the aim of exploiting them as a resource, as there were no regulations, veterinary or nutritional studies for breeding farms, hey were simply released into the wild to reproduce on their own :S
And in the absence of natural predators or any control after the fall of trade they spread without control.
wary quiver
**Yukon Valley - Alaska **
Furbearer Species:
Beaver
Coyote
Arctic Fox
Red Fox
Fisher
Lynx
Marmot (Alaska or hoary marmot and
woodchucks)
Marten
Mink
Muskrat
River otter
Squirrel
Weasel
Wolf
Wolverine
https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/regulations/wildliferegulations/pdfs/trapping.pdf
wary quiver
Mississippi Acres Preserve - Mississippi/US
Furbearer Species:
Bobcat
Mink
Muskrat
Opossum
River Otter
Raccoon
Weasel
Beaver
Coyote
Red Fox
Gray Fox
Nutria
Skunk
https://www.mdwfp.com/wildlife-hunting/furbearer-trapping/
https://www.mdwfp.com/wildlife-hunting/furbearer-trapping/trapping-regulations.aspx
https://www.mdwfp.com/media/4191/trappereducationmanual.pdf
wary quiver
Rancho del Arroyo - Sonora / Mexico
Basically in Sonora there are no trapping seasons or furbearing species (since it is a semi-desert climate) other than Coyotes, Foxes and Lynxes, however since there are no regulations I will just ignore this reserve as with Vurhonga :/
wary quiver
Revontuli Coast / Finland
It was quite difficult for me to find information about Trapping in Finland, if it is incorrect, correct me since even the translators work poorly with the Finnish language.
As mentioned above, traps are prohibited in EUR but only traps that, when activated, cause the immediate death of the animal may be used. They must also be placed within the protection structure so that other non-target animals activate them..
HOWEVER, large traps wide enough can be used to capture the animals alive and prevent them from getting hurt... although one finishes them off later with a rifle :/
Whit Scisor Letal Traps:
European beaver
Canadian beaver
Mink
Muskrat
Marten
Whit Snare Trap just in certain municipalities:
Ptarmigan
Willow Grouse
Whit big traps (Population control, harmful near farms, and invasive species):
Racoon Dog
Fox
Badger
Lynx
Ermine (Mustela Erminea)
Ferret
Wild rabbits
Squirrel
Wild Boar
https://www.riistainfo.fi/sv/ny-jagare/finlandsk-jakt/passiva-fangstmetoder-och-redskap/jakt-med-sax/
https://www.riistainfo.fi/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/hetitappavat-raudat-suojaputkessa.pdf
https://www.riistainfo.fi/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/minkkibunkkeri_laitiala.pdf
https://www.riistainfo.fi/sv/ny-jagare/finlandsk-jakt/passiva-fangstmetoder-och-redskap/fallfangst/
wary quiver
**Emerald Coas Australia - New Wales South/Australia **
This is also another reserve without trapping seasons or fur-bearing species, trapping is only used to control invasive species.
The list of species is not very attractive..
Feral Cat (Felis catus)
Fox (Vulpes vulpes)
Hare (Lepus capensis)
Rabbit (Oryctolagus cuniculus)
Feral Pig (Sus scrofa hybrids)
Wild Hog (Sus scrofa)
https://www.trapping.com.au/state-legislation
http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/poctaa1979360/s23.html
https://www.legislation.act.gov.au/View/sl/2001-26/current/html/2001-26.html
https://www.trapping.com.au/cat-fox-rabbit-traps-new-south-wales
https://feralpigs.com.au/nsw/https://feralpigs.com.au/nsw/
https://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/hunting/game-and-pests
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Silver Ridge Peak
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Te Awaroa
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Mississippi Acres Preserve
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Revontuli Coast
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New England Mountain
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Emerald Coast Australia
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Well those are all the reserves, the most interesting are those where there are furbearers, species that are not included as Game Species and there is no suitable caliber nor is it allowed to shoot them with firearms, I think implementing a trapping mechanic only for those species would be very interesting since trapping would be the only way to obtain them..
wary quiver
As for the mechanics, I would be inclined because it was like it is in real life:
1_Go to the appropriate map area
In the same way that animals have their habitat areas, fur bearers will have theirs where they will be trapped.
**2_Place the trap **
Execute an animation to activate the activation mechanism is at the discretion of the developers
**3_Wait an X amount of time **
Here it would be great to use a counter system that the old online fishing games used where nets were placed where the net filled gradually over time, 10% every hour until it reached 10hs when it was completely filled xD
All trapping regulations advise/oblige to check the traps every 36 hours, which translated into playing time is 9 hours, so...
Once the trap has been placed and after 1 hour there would be a 10% chance that an animal has fallen, at 2 hours there is a 20% chance, at 3 hours there is a 30% chance and so on until 9 hours are over where there is a 100% chance that the animal falls into the trap
4_Harvest the trap
The animal would already be dead inside ready to pick up.
It seems somewhat boring at first glance, but it is a different type of harvesting/hunting, one where unique animals that cannot be obtained in any other way are caught, a different way to obtain trophies only linked to luck.
I think it would be really interesting to go through a line of traps while hunting the animals that one finds along the way, not only would it encourage organic hunting a little but it would help the game to maintain a regularity of players giving them a reason to enter the game every so often.
I'm sure it wouldn't take long for the apps to add a timer to keep track of the time elapsed in each trap, so that control would be kept outside the game xD
This is all the information and details I can provide, it depends on the community if they like this modality or not.
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All trapping animals will not spawn within the map, they will only appear when the trap captures them, therefore no movement animations or modification of the animal populations that each map currently has will be needed.
They would only need the variations of fur and poses to be displayed taxidermied in the trophy lodge.
mortal dove
I also count upland birds as small game animals so it would also be cool to see more American grouse species and the possibility to see birds like partridge and woodcock added along with them
valid copper
I really like this idea ive wanted traps for so lond
wary quiver
Askiy Ridge - Alberta, CA
Here too, trapping is completely legal and regulated by federal law and seasons that cover almost the entire year depending on the region with a list of permitted methods and traps.
Furbear Species:
Fox (Red/Artic)
Beaver
Marten
Fisher
Canada Lynx
Bobcat
Mink
Muskrat
River Otter
Raccoon
Skunk
Squirrels
Weasel (Ermine)
Wolverine
Wolf
Coyote
Black bear.
https://albertaregulations.ca/pdfs/trapping-regs/Changes-Definitions.pdf
https://albertaregulations.ca/pdfs/trapping-regs/Fur-Seasons.pdf
https://albertaregulations.ca/pdfs/trapping-regs/Additional-Information.pdf
rocky pond
Bump!
https://callofthewild.thehunter.com/dev-diary-askiy-ridge-story/
I did read it myself. its a good read and I wouldn't be surprised if a Canadian Arctic reserve went down a similar route
bitter maple
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