🦌︴great-ones

[velvet bough]

and then run back and they will be there

[white swan]

Yep I’ve had to do that way too often lol

[velvet bough]

definitely make sure you wait at least 30-40 in game mins before you fast travel

like make sure you go to a different outpost before you change time

idk why but they take way longer if you are in render of their zone at least for me they do

[white swan]

Yeah I 100% agree

[velvet bough]

but when you launch the game, go to different outpost, change time to 8:30, wait until 9:00 (do not fast travel to your spot until 9 or it may mess it up)

are you on pc?

[white swan]

I’ve been doing the same thing 👍

Xbox

[velvet bough]

in that exact order? its very important at least for me to do it that way

and could be an xbox thing not sure

[white swan]

No I’ve experimented with all different ‘routines’ including that one. I’ve found others work the exact same way but It’s all very similar stuff

Hm it does seem Xbox has more problems with rancho than other platforms

[mild olive]

@white swan check the top right lake, I’ve heard rumors of whitetail being up there occasionally

[white swan]

I heard the same interestingly enough. I have a tent there for mule deer so I decided I might as well check just incase sometimes. Never seen one there

[fast ridge]

if you mean the lake in the mountains, I get lots of mulies and turkeys up that way

turkeys in particular

[white swan]

Yeah that one. Very nice like

Also has a lot of jackrabbit and I’ve pulled 2 nice trophy coyote around it

[mild olive]

I got a ton of trophies from ip there, great spot

But it’s interesting that you couldn’t find that whitetail, maybe that proves the theory that deleting a zone does make the entire heard respawn, but I’d say check all the zones on your map again, then we’ll see what happens

[white swan]

Yeah I guess time will tell. I’ve done it a lot lately so I might kill a couple hundred more and then have a really detailed search

I have a close up picture of his rack and estimate so I’ll know him when I see him

[fair wind]

I deleted a zone with a piebald doe 2 days ago, haven’t seen it since.

[white swan]

Well I’d be interested to hear any updates on that

[high heath]

First good respawn of the grind

a beeno buck

scratch that, its a pie

[gray tartan]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2606762140

[somber turret]

What's this?

Screen shot?

[iron valve]

Is it safe?

[plain raptor]

It’s a screenshot

[full cave]

@iron valve Yes it's safe, it returns to the steam's "screenshot" page, it's a photo of a Roosevelt Elk

That's it ....

he must have made the wrong channel, his has nothing to do on the channel Great one 🤨

[pliant oak]

😁

[full cave]

Question for console players here. I brought this up last week of my respawns being sus on Rancho. Ive got 0 preassure on all my WT zones,have had 11 in game days for the respawns to show and nothing. Is it best to just nuke the zones to get faster respawns? Most of my zones are tiny 3-4 deer in a herd and after ive shot all the bucks all those zones are doe only and the males ive harvested have not joined other zones or formed new zones. Is there an issue with respawns? I'm on ps4 so input from ps4 players would be greatly appreciated

[pliant oak]

you have to check all areas of the maps

some areas dont look good but whitetail can be in them

when it goes dead it often means respawns for something good is coming

so rare diamond or....the great one

so slaughter males regardless big or small on rancho sooner or later they become diamonds or something special

the more you do it the more you get used to whats happening coming next

[full cave]

I understand that. Ive checked every single lake on the map over and over. Ive been playing since 17'. Ive got 0 respawns. Through all the crappy times when the WT have been broken its never been like this at all. Somethings off. Thanks for the input but I'm wondering if theres issue with respawns on console. Cause 11 days with 0 respawns is not normal. I understand on PC you can do pop resets and get instand respawns. But looking more for console players input and what theyre experiencing.

[full cave]

And thats what im saying is theres 0 males to shoot anymore. Not my first time playing or grinding WT 😹

[pliant oak]

i know i seen many of your posts

are you fast forwarding time full hunting pressure gone from need zones >

[full cave]

Um yes. Again not my first time through this 😹

[pliant oak]

just asking

[wise crane]

That's weird, i guess you already restarted the game or even the console right?

[pliant oak]

not seen anyone else saying they get no respawns

on console or pc

[fast ridge]

I had respawns being weird with Ronda ibex while I was doing my diamond-slam grind, but I honestly forget how long it took for them to show up again. Honestly, I think they were stuck in that "walking in and out of render over and over again" AI loop.

[wise crane]

I have a friend who plays on PS4 and had a very similar problem this week

[full cave]

Hey @wise crane !! Love your vids. No I havent done a full restart. Shouldnt really have to. You think that'll help?

[pliant oak]

what

full restart what you mean

like new player ?

[full cave]

Yea ive also experienced this problem with geese. They were all hot and heavy at the start and now after maybe 500 kills they dont respawns anymore either. Thats why I'm suspecting an issue on ps

[wise crane]

Maybe It could help man, i would try

[pliant oak]

he may of had a issue with his game from the start

[wise crane]

No i mean just close and reopen the game

[full cave]

I havent actually. Just now since this update.

[pliant oak]

dunno just how you post

its mostly about bugs issues

if you had a issue that maybe makes sense

[full cave]

I'm inquiring about about ps4 and respawns. I get we all play the same "title" but the game performs differently between each platform. Shouldnt be that way but it does.

[pliant oak]

well it must mainly be working as the guy with the most great ones is on console

so thats kinda why i asked if you had a issue

[full cave]

Oh. Yea ive done that many times. Doesnt make a difference at all.

[full cave]

Yep he does play on Xbox. But theres a difference between xbox and ps4 on how the game performs. Just like its different between any console and PC. Again it shouldnt be that way but it is. Sad to say

[pliant oak]

well hope you sort it out

[full cave]

I hope EW can sort it out. Its their game 😹

[fast ridge]

Hardware limitations do unfortunately exist.

[full cave]

IDK why that matters. Theyre the ones selling me the product. It should perform as they say it will.

[velvet bough]

all of the core mechanics of the game definitely should be working correctly but sometimes they break

[iron valve]

Personally I've been shooting till theres 1 doe and I've gotten respawns on layton

[full cave]

@full cave i wouls blast a zone.. U will get a new zone and herd somewhere.. But it will be bettee than waiting to see if u get a new buck.. Personally i would blast a zone then try hunt down that new zone.. Just to see if respawns are quicker

I got zones i aint touched. Then i got zones that i wish i kept

But eveeytime i got rid of a zone... Nothing happened...
another herd got bigger
Or i had to find the new zone

[hybrid crest]

For me on ps4 respawns are working fine right now. My Bucks are respwaning, but Sometimes in different places

[pliant oak]

the bucks you shoot will if you kill the zone go to a new zone or join another group if theres space. bad zones just dont shoot

[fair wind]

6th Lvl 3 of the rancho grind, 1,250 kills in.

[fair wind]

7th rare of the grind, 1,265 kills in.

[pliant oak]

nice

[fair wind]

Thanks

[clear current]

I got some zones down to only does would you recommend shooting the females to try and get a new zone ?

[forest mango]

If there where males in the groups don’t they will respawn. But if there was always just does delete the zones you can try to get a herd with males

[pliant oak]

it depends on how many you shot really. first make sure all hunting pressure is off your whitetail hunting zones

if they clear of hunting pressure check the males havent spawned elsewhere

sometimes they will respawn back in hidden or hard to see areas

so people think they not there

sometimes there is a little delay before bucks respawn

if i think this is happening i will wind the clock forward one day then close the game down

start the game back up

see if the bucks have come back

[clear current]

Ok thanks there was bucks there 3 or 4 days ago but ive hunted the area hard and havnt seemed to find there respawns il try changing the time forward

[pliant oak]

if the hunting pressure there wont really help. only do that if you cleared the hunting pressure

[balmy summit]

Will my albino GO ever turn back to normal?

I'm checking every month now

[fast ridge]

They can't fix the post-patch ones without re-breaking the pre-Rancho ones.

[rigid forge]

the only feasible way to fix them is to separate the pre-rancho and post-patch trophies from the post-rancho/pre-patch trophies.

just think about how hard that would be to do, especially without breaking something else in the process

[iron valve]

Ew gave a warning

[fast ridge]

That they did

[pliant oak]

tk did warn about it before it happened but i believe if we can put people on the moon or even mars there is a way of sorting it out.

old fur skins give a value new ones give a value

tie colour to that

[velvet bough]

well he didnt say it would be permenant, but yes he did warn us.

im happy tho since my great one didnt change

[pliant oak]

two of mine did but i dont mind

[velvet bough]

id be mad tbh but wouldnt be able to do anything about it

well, i wouldnt be that mad id be pretty annoyed tho

[clear current]

4 level 3s off my map today after 2 days of nothing

[velvet bough]

thats how it is sometimes lol

[velvet bough]

just got double diamond wt myselg

myself*

maybe 3?

idk if this one will make it or not its gonna be close

nah 248

[velvet bough]

another lv3

bruh

and a piebald

the other lv3 also sadly a troll 247

and found another diamond potential but was 251

5 diamond potential wt in a run of half my zones

great one grind #2 looking like it may be coming to a close, soon hopefully

[pliant oak]

check my new video GO number 4 😁

[devout forge]

what will a gos tracks be

[rigid forge]

97-110kg, always

[devout forge]

ty

[clear current]

Did they fix the problem with GOs turning to level 3s when you close your game ?

[fair wind]

Ye

[rigid forge]

From what I can tell, yes

[fast ridge]

It should be fixed, yes. No one's complained about it since Rancho.

[clear current]

Ok thanks

[velvet bough]

Only thing is they turn level 3 in multiplayer if you aren't host

[fast ridge]

which is how it's supposed to work.

[velvet bough]

So if you're server hopping and see one, you have no chance of having it tho

[fast ridge]

to keep people from stealing others' GO's

[velvet bough]

Have the devs actually confirmed that.

I don't think it should matter honestly it's their choice to open their map to multiplayer

Scarecrow would've had himself another great one if it wasn't for that idea.

You can steal a super rare from someone's map, which statistically has a rarer spawn rate

[pliant oak]

its a good thing tbh

otherwise people would just share GO

[fast ridge]

I like that we don't have to worry about completely-identical GO's coming from console players

[raw ether]

Grrrr lucky congrats

[pliant oak]

cheers

[velvet bough]

people are gonna hack them anyway

/already have hacked them to death

[fast ridge]

Not on consoles.

[velvet bough]

yea i guess thats true

u can hack on console, but its rare to see it

i had one server on xbox with all diamonds two separate occasions, and someone in crows stream found a console server hacked

but it was before great ones were a thing

what they need to do is when the host leaves the game, theres a pause then the population switches to your population. this way you can still hunt great ones in multiplayer without the possibility of people sharing the same great ones

[raw ether]

Tbh I kinda stopped grinding for the GOs now that my herds respawn randomly

[velvet bough]

or whenever the host actually leaves, the great one is invisible aka not able to render

[raw ether]

It’s to the point where I was just fed up with it

[velvet bough]

dont blame ya

^ another reason why you should be able to look for them via server hopping

[raw ether]

I actually surprisingly enough miss pre rancho spawning because at least they wouldn’t respawn in other hers that were seen

[fast ridge]

I think it'd be less work for the devs to just make it so that MP had its own population that resets every time the file is called on

that would destroy the trading community

[pliant oak]

yeah that could work but a new population each time would give mp a big advantage

its not easy

if gos were in mp players would just be hopping constantly

[fast ridge]

like they do already?

[pliant oak]

they do already but cant get em

they could tag animals

so once killed they cant be traded if something doesnt match

i have asked about that to be done before

[fast ridge]

Well the only other alternative I can think of is the few bad apples resulting in MP being taken offline altogether

which honestly would not surprise me if it ever did happen

[pliant oak]

i think something can be done

without destroying or taking mp offline

i see mp as a massive way to grow the game tbh and just not got to where it needs to be at this point

the game is only in its infancy

[fast ridge]

so they're going to have to get an anticheat in sooner than later. Otherwise all the issues now are absolutely going to get much worse.

[pliant oak]

dunno if files or things cant be messed with its not needed

but if it comes to that fair enough

simple way would be to do like classic and put the stuff on a server their side

but that means server costs

[fast ridge]

yeah

and the possibility of the server getting screwed up by certain hack-using people

considering that there are ones that will mess up other users' files

idk. It just seems like a lose-lose situation the more I think about it

[pliant oak]

i dont think it is its just a case of how serious or ambitious people want to be about mp.

mp is a big deal if done right. keeps many friends people playing at the same time.

the better it is the more people will play

many people play in groups

[velvet bough]

mp already has a big advantage lol

[velvet bough]

that would be a good idea, maybe great one tags?

[pliant oak]

yeah suggested that a while ago

[outer yew]

GO #4

[velvet bough]

idk how u all are so lucky lol

thats sick doe

[raw ether]

Wrong. Chat.

[full cave]

Thats a crazy great one 🤣

[soft cedar]

What kind of rack is that😂

[full cave]

is not a buck not a doe. silly goose

[high heath]

Then you could spawn mash the HELL out of multi

[fast ridge]

Yeah but how much of the day would that take?

you'd have to have No Life to spend all day doing spawn mashing

not to mention some people already essentially do that via pop resetting so it wouldn't be anything new

[velvet bough]

and just server hopping on fresh maps, same thing

[tame solar]

3020 kills and somehow 9 albinos👀. Finally just got a mela and have 4 piebalds. Pretty unlucky with the diamonds with only 15 but 9 albinos!

[velvet bough]

holy thats alot of albinos

[mild olive]

That’s more albino wt than I have in total

[fresh shale]

When was the last time someone on PC bagged a GO?

[velvet bough]

ronmctube as far as i know

but i got my great one a few weeks ago

he just got his 4th one not long ago like yesterday or day before? something like that

[fresh shale]

Awesome thanks! Mine sadly changed to Albino and I have yet to see another one after over 3000k

[rigid forge]

at least you didnt have the reverse happen. there's a guy who got an albino GO and it turned into a common

[fresh shale]

Oh no! I was wondering how it effected his GO. At least everyone here knows his was Legit!

[velvet bough]

thats true that would really suck

i got my great one after all that buggyness luckily, it was destiny that it didnt change with my 7.4k kills lol

[fast ridge]

I lost both my rares to that fiasco

and both my diamonds turned piebald

[velvet bough]

i have killed so many rare and diamond wt that i dont even know what turned to what

ive still got 6-7 diamond wt i havent even put in my lodges

[fresh shale]

Oh man, you have crappy luck like me lol I think I was just over 7k when I got mine. My diamonds turned piebald too lol Just glad I stuffed them all into the same lodge lol

[velvet bough]

yeah i was gonna make an all wt deer lodge, but i still want my great one to be in layton room in my main lodge because i got a bugged one

and on layton is where i got the bugged one

[fresh shale]

I hoard animals lol I need to do some cleaning! I'm on like lodge # 9? or more....I went crazy for the legacy mounts before lol

[velvet bough]

i only tax diamonds and rares that are males, or very hard to get rares

i got 5 lodges rn to keep some things separated

current diamond count sitting at 860 since ive had the game, 310 on PC 550 console

ive had the game on pc for a year now i beleive

[boreal geode]

I have had this game since 2017 and only have 3 diamonds. How do you improve your chances at diamonds? 230+ hrs

[soft cedar]

Only follow max weight tracks ignore everything else

It’s like 1 in 50 you will find a diamond off a max weight track

[pliant oak]

i just shoot all males

diamonds come i dont follow tracks 😁

[full cave]

They need to make great ones for any antlered animals

[velvet bough]

Shoot max weight animals. However the secret is server hopping

[fast ridge]

Gotta be careful with server hopping if you're on PC though

[somber turret]

I thank I'm up to over 45 diamonds all single player I do like going and seeing what I can find in multiplayer but I never kill them

[velvet bough]

i do, honeslty alot of people who host multiplayer are not afraid of losing anything

[remote dome]

GUS

*GUYS

[velvet bough]

here it comes lol

[remote dome]

I just watched a video of an irl great one

[velvet bough]

o

[velvet bough]

bruh

[somber turret]

Ay farm buck

[fast ridge]

what even are those antlers

[remote dome]

Irl great one

[velvet bough]

[remote dome]

How does it get such a rack

[fast ridge]

I actually read a bit about this

antlers can be messed up by quite a few things, including broken bones

[somber turret]

This is a real irl great one

[somber turret]

The feed they feed it

[remote dome]

Because of nerves I’d assume right?

[fast ridge]

I think?

but yeah injuries, hormone imbalances, and sometimes just genetics

[velvet bough]

isnt that a sketch of like the worlds largest wt or something

like legitly shot?

[somber turret]

I can't remember if it is the biggest one ever killed or it is the one they found by the railroad tracks in Iowa in the late 40s

Give me just a minute I will try to confirm

[fast ridge]

does can rarely grow antlers as well

[fast ridge]

though they'll generally always be small and never lose velvet

[inland bridge]

I got confused when a moose ran on 0% 25% I was like bro your out of life juice just die never found said moose very upsetting

[high heath]

meese have life juice

[shrewd pollen]

They genetically enhance them pretty much.

[full cave]

3rd G1 shot early today 🤘🏼

[gray tartan]

@full cave how do you get them

[velvet bough]

yal too lucky

lol

i got 7.7k kills now with one, and one bugged one

[hybrid crest]

I cant complain. 410 Kills, 5 diamonds and 2 rares

[fossil jolt]

How many kills did it took you to get your great one guys?

[pliant oak]

1 - 1000000000 its just random

best way to approach it is kill whitetail have fun doing it understand you will get diamonds rares guarenteed just not a great one guarenteed

[tame solar]

Ok 3270 kills and somehow 19 rares! 10 albinos like what??!! And only 15 diamonds like seriously how often do you get more rares than diamonds. I have had 8 rares since my last diamond and 7 rares in my past 250

[high heath]

damn

you lucky/unlucky

[pliant oak]

sometimes you get a good run and get a few rares in a row

diamonds work out roughly every 100 kills

[velvet bough]

^^ thats correct as ive shot around 7700 whitetail and have around 70 diamonds

[iron valve]

Yea

I've shot around 3600 total and have around 30

[rigid forge]

average i typically see is one per 75-150 kills

[soft cedar]

#27 I can feel the GO coming soon

[soft cedar]

Luck doesn’t like me

[ripe crag]

When you say a diamond each 100 kills, do tou mean killing any males or only the ones in the max range weight? I’ve been killing about 30 male whitetails per day, many of them in the 85 - 100kg range, but I haven’t seen a diamond for a while.

[iron valve]

All males

[ripe crag]

I believe you’re resetting your population. If what everyone says is right, you’d need to have killed hundreds of whitetails to make a great one spawn.

[ripe crag]

Thanks

Another question please. Can you identify his tracks as a whitetail above 100kg or the track shows him in the same range as a diamond, 85 - 100kg? Thanks.

[pliant oak]

i just shoot all males not just big ones

i think its totally random

not just off big whitetail

[pliant oak]

it shows as 97 kg - 110 kg for a great one track

[full cave]

i have a question

[pliant oak]

whats that

@full cave

[full cave]

it is how do you see how much an animal weight from a

track

[austere lava]

Skills after you level up

[full cave]

how much do a great one weight

[full cave]

what map is that

layton lake?

[pliant oak]

yeah

i got 2 great ones on layton and 2 on rancho

been grinding layton again for last week but having a break layton is hard work now

[full cave]

do u like playing on layton

[pliant oak]

i do like layton one of my fav reserves but the recent changes have made it more challenging

its good to have a challenge but it also needs to be fun

why so many like rancho more

[spice relic]

are they developing a great one for another species?

[fast ridge]

Nobody knows, but I think it's likely

[pliant oak]

yeah maybe with the next reserve

we will get more

[velvet bough]

So I'm pretty sure we got confirmation that great ones are not supposed to be bugged in multiplayer

[fast ridge]

I don't think they're supposed to be showing up in multiplayer at all

[velvet bough]

Idk just going by patch notes

Well known issues

[fast ridge]

because if they show up in MP, people will steal them

and someone who put months into grinding would absolutely be vocal about that

if it happened to them

[velvet bough]

Then they shouldn't host a multiplayer, people are aware of that any time they host.

I'm not gonna feel sympathy for someone who made a decision to host it on a public server

[fast ridge]

That's fair

[velvet bough]

Appearantly it's one of the things they are working on pretty hard to fix

Surprisingly

That's actually something I reported to thehunter support to make sure they knew and pass it to the team, I'm glad it got to them

[fast ridge]

Sometimes people get lucky and one shows up early.

They've been known to be initial-spawns on rare occasions too.

and afaik, it is indeed impossible to pop-reset on console outside of starting a new file.

[iron valve]

Alot of people spam new game

I've seen about 3 gos posted from people with all starter stuff and like 2k cash showing they new game spammed

[fast ridge]

How do you tell those people from those who actually just started?

[iron valve]

Real new players arnt going straight into rancho 90% of the time

[fast ridge]

People who start on the new 2022 bundle might.

[iron valve]

Rancho also doesn't have a free animal meaning they kill the layton deer or the hirch deer then immediately go to rancho and hunt wt

[iron valve]

That bundle just came out I'm talking about like a month ago

[fast ridge]

You aren't required to start a new file on either Hirsch or Layton. I've gone straight to Cuatro on both my recent new files.

[iron valve]

I know but they had cash which is why I'm saying that

Game doesn't give u cash

And half of the post said its the first animal they saw

[fast ridge]

which guy are we talking about here?

[iron valve]

Id have to look

But I remember seeing it around console release

[fast ridge]

okay that clears things up. Thought you were talking about the guy who posted one earlier today

[iron valve]

Oh no 😄

[velvet bough]

not necessarily, you can find one in multiplayer (once they fix them), you can also find one as soon as your game updates, or you may get one after shooting 10 bucks, or 1,500 bucks, or you may never get one at all

my first one took 7,400 kills im currently working on my second one but not grinding it super hard

[verbal smelt]

A HUGE amount of luck goes into getting a Great One

[velvet bough]

happened to get a mela buck stuck in place lol

later ima try and get it with the longbow

[ripe crag]

Cool! I haven’t seen any melanistic for a while.

[ripe crag]

Thanks. At least if I ever find a track like this I’ll know it’s a Great One.

[pliant oak]

yeah its the greatest and scariest feeling at the same time. 😁

[pliant oak]

id say the opposite for some its luck but for the majority is actually time and learning

[full cave]

ron

[full cave]

are you down to play some medven?

[pliant oak]

luck does play a part and is a factor but for most its learning whitetail locations techniques which to shoot

[full cave]

medved*

[pliant oak]

time is the biggest factor generally the more time you can hunt the better your chances

[pliant oak]

maybe soon after a diamond bobcat at the moment

[full cave]

do you own medved?

[pliant oak]

gotta open up medved again as i started again fresh recently

[full cave]

alright tell me when

[pliant oak]

go after a diamond musk deer

[full cave]

alright

i will try

[full cave]

the multiplayer world closes in 5 mins rip

[pliant oak]

im in no rush

as said im edting and after diamond bobcat

so no medved this week

[full cave]

ah

[ripe crag]

Ron, what do you mean with challenging?
I’ve been grinding for the great one in Layton Lakes for a couple weeks. I’ve found 2 diamonds so far.
I’d like to give it a try in Rancho, but it takes too much time to unlock the outposts, set up tents… and I don’t have too much time to play.
I’ve got some DLC reserves in which I’ve never played on.
I like Layton , but it’s a huge reserve. Some guys say that in Rancho it’s lots more productive.

[pliant oak]

rancho if you got the atv doesnt take long to open up or set up

theres like 7 -8 lakes you need to have a tent at

[full cave]

should i get medved

[pliant oak]

layton after the recent update is harder for whitetail hunting

mainly cause they often dont get to their drinking zones on time

[full cave]

ronmctube should i get medved?

[pliant oak]

thats up to you

could play mp try it

[full cave]

no mp is up

the one i was in just closed

😦

[pliant oak]

its probably cause its early

both in europe and usa

[full cave]

itd 13:48

[pliant oak]

yeah but most people are on in afternoon onwards

usa big part of the player base its very early

europe many at work

[ripe crag]

Interesting! I’m not having issues with whitetail’s drinking zones. I find them in their drinking time (maybe not all of them are there?).

[pliant oak]

last week i spent a whole week on there hunting whitetail got all my zones but wasnt easy

what was interesting is down the right side

there was a lot of whitetail down there even at the very bottom

the drink time changed also recently so maybe thats a factor

[ripe crag]

Sorry, where exactly?

[pliant oak]

so some turn up slightly later or earlier

the very far right of the map

at the bottom

walk up

right on the edge of the map

i found loads of whitetail as i walked there

[full cave]

where is there alot

of whitetail?

[pliant oak]

many people will just check certain key ponds areas

but there is a lot of tiny ponds areas many dont check and they hold lots of whitetail

[ripe crag]

Mount Leviatan?

[pliant oak]

the very bottom right of the map

past that

to the edge

then walk up the right hand side edge

all the way to the top

i found 30 -40 whitetail maybe more

many wont be hunting down there

you could just leave em and hunt easier areas as they shouldnt get whitetail added to their groups if full

[ripe crag]

Thanks . I’ll have a look. I was exploring new areas last weekend and I went to the south eastern edge of the reserve. I’ll have a look there again.

[pliant oak]

yeah starting out the grind and finding ALL ZONES is time consuming

but it helps overall if you do it some zones are in odd weird places

this is why many like rancho now as you dont really need to go that deep

right back to video editing lots to do have fun 😁

[velvet bough]

except for the 100 people who got one off of initial spawn or after shooting 20 deer lol

[velvet bough]

too time consuming lol. honestly, needs addressed. it shouldnt be that hard to find wt deer on any map in my opinion especially a starter map

but i do like the other changes they did to layton

[pliant oak]

100 people over 1 million playing

the majority of the rest have to grind over 1000

so on avg its not easy but not many think of the bigger picture

this is why you see the facebook people everyones got em mentality then if you asked most of em have you got one ? no ! 😂

[velvet bough]

well, there is very likely way more people who have got one, but have not posted as well. im just saying its pretty random its RNG

[pliant oak]

there will be more but out of 1 million plus players its tiny

[velvet bough]

is that really the true number of the player base? on PC its only like 16k

[pliant oak]

i think in here we seen 2 - 3 people who have had them proven off ininital spawns

[velvet bough]

which of course console is the majority but how do u find that info?

[pliant oak]

rest grinded em

[velvet bough]

yea there was quite a few tho who got one after like 20 kills

actually at one point seen 2 or 3 people in one day get one like that

i still beleive that most do have to grind them kinda hard to get one

[pliant oak]

if you follow all social media platforms you can see when people get them as they post about them on some one or other platform they arent flooding through

as for quite a few which is a open ended statement quite a few is literally 0. percent of the total amount of players

so still tiny

[velvet bough]

im pretty sure discord and facebook are the 2 biggest media platforms for this game, given that facebook actually has groups for it. instagram has a decent amount but not a ton

[pliant oak]

there are numerous platforms

[velvet bough]

is tiktok pretty big for cotw?

[pliant oak]

twitter

reddit

steam

[full cave]

ronmctube can i purchase dlcs using my steam wallet

[pliant oak]

should be able to

[velvet bough]

yes

[pliant oak]

call of the wild steam store page then look at dlcs

[full cave]

im gonna sell some cs go skins

i need a couple cents more to get m1 package

and a map

[velvet bough]

oh look the first great one i see popped up "killed it second day of rancho" lol

idk y it showed as link tho hold on

this one

[full cave]

i just bought m1 rifle and silver ridge peaks

[velvet bough]

thought that was a funny coincidence thats all lol

[full cave]

👍

[velvet bough]

nice good luck out there

[ripe crag]

@pliant oak
Where’s your great one guide for Layton Lakes? I can only find the Ranchos one.

[pliant oak]

thats in the making

i generally spend a week or two making them

rancho del arroyo great one guide just out

so will do layton soon

[hidden pagoda]

I’d imagine you saw this in trophy gallery but boy am I happy to have #1 out of many

And the claim music 🥰

[full cave]

@hidden pagoda Congrats again ! 🥳

[hidden pagoda]

Thanks again

[pliant oak]

congrats

[tame solar]

Nice great one

For real though 3717 kills for me and 21 rares?! With only 16 diamonds I don't know many people with more rares than diamonds

[ripe crag]

Hi mate, I’ve purchased Rancho and spent a couple hours unlocking the outposts. Who knows I’m not one of those 100 guys who gets the Great One in the initial spawning?
The only issue was the huge lag whenever I approach a lake, or maybe whenever I approach a herd, I don’t know. Almost impossible to play. If it persists I’ll need to go back to Layton Lakes. Thanks for the tip.

@pliant oak

[pliant oak]

at first it will be like that cause there is a lot of animals

as you play a little it will lessen as you shoot deer and animal spawns zones move about and they not all in one spot

[full cave]

What the hell is going on?

I got a great one as my 3rd animal for this session...

2nd*

[neon cedar]

lol

[full cave]

I dont know what happened 🤣

I am fairly new to the game aswell

[hidden pagoda]

0.19kg from max

[spring python]

Damn

I've been playing for the better part of a year and don't have a single great one

[full cave]

Yeah i really didnt even grind for one..

[tropic frost]

How have you guys found the spawn rates since the PC update? Grinding for number 3 and it’s definitely taking longer. Are they back to the old spawn rate or still generous?

[fast ridge]

GO spawn rates on Rancho were bugged, so they're normal now.

[pliant oak]

tbh wasnt or didnt seem much different

wish this was clarified as to how different it was before the update

i had my recent one at about 1200 i think

so not really different at all

would love layton to be looked at again for the travelling whitetail and getting to zones. it makes layton far harder at the moment

will probably carry on grinding layton again soon after i get my diamond bobcat

which seems to be more elusive than a great one lol 😂

[velvet bough]

yeah its kinda under the table what was going on with the spawns, whether it was initial spawns or just the spawn rate itself etc

[velvet bough]

and yeah it does seem the same grind wise, im assuming it had to be something with initial spawns at the time being.

i asked in the feedback channel to do something about layton whitetail zones and no one even said anything or used any emojis on it lmao im like what this is something everyone complains about lol

[full cave]

Make a vid and send to them. They'll listen to CCs. Thats what it took last time after the community complained for over 2 months. 1 CC submitted a vid and they jumped all over it and what do ya know?!?!? They believed the CC and came up with a fix asap 😹😹

[velvet bough]

its not quite that easy, however, i agree to an extent. content creators do need to bring this issue up to the devs. whitetail on layton should be similiar to rancho period, its a base map and whitetail deer are the most hunted species in the game by far. they shouldnt be harder to find than coyotes lol

[full cave]

It is. Everybody complained here in discord for months. Then 1 CC submitted their vid to the team and then we heard from the team that there was an issue off that feedback.Looked into it and realized there was an issue with WT just roaming aroumd the maps and not actually going to the drink zones 😹😹😹

I'm not going to name drop like many others here like to do. But it's well known from any that have been here for a long time.

We "average" players brought it up in the streams many times only to hear "we checked,double and triple checked and found no issue" to us in streams. Then a CC speaks up and bam,there is an issue 😹😹😹

[velvet bough]

the issue is that #1 they do not drink near water they drink in bushes and brush like at least 60% of the time, #2 they should not be so difficult to find

there is way too much water on layton for wt do be drinking anywhere on the map but only having about 40 zones

[full cave]

I agree 100%. Before the GO came along thats the way it was. Then the GO came about and tje team has been messing with WT nonstop and why we have a forced pop reset every dlc or everyother doc and continuously have to be starting from scratch for WT on Layton ever since the GO was born 😹

[velvet bough]

they need to increase the population of whitetail deer i think and just make them drink almost anywhere but be way more common

[full cave]

100% agree. Less rabbits and more WT on Layton. After tnis last update the rabbit pop is now out of control for some reason. I relish the days of hunting WT along the river in all the amazingly beautiful parts of the map. Now days we need to search the forest so to speak to find WT drinking. Ive said this many,many times before,it seems to "counter" grinding they switched drink zones with feeding zones that were in the deep brush and difficult to find/grind. Most good "in the open zones" are the feeding zines and drink zones are now deep in the crap so to speak.

[rigid forge]

I’d say a 30% increase in whitetail pop and maybe a 10% decrease in rabbit pop would be sufficient

Maybe 25% for whitetail

[full cave]

The worst part of this new WT pop on the "new layton",on console anyways,is they give you 3-4 monster zones of 19-30 WT that you have to first find. Then "break up that massive zone like a rack of pool balls" bust them up then the zones "scatter" across the map. Then you have to spend so many,many endless hours rediscovering the map to find where all those zones have been distributed. Its so lame and frustrating. I truely wish they just come up with 1 way to have the WT to be distributed over the map like the old days so anybody can have fun. Whether its the player who can put in 10-16 hours a day or even the player who only has 5-6 hours a week to play can find and enjoy WT hunting like it used to be.

[full cave]

100% agree cashnipleaf

[velvet bough]

request it in the #882552632793767966 if theres something specific you want to add to it, i already said fix wt on layton but you could say something else related to it like increase pop or something

[full cave]

Yep. Already have weeks ago

[velvet bough]

yeah, something definitely needs done about it hopefully it does change

[full cave]

Yep. I think most long time players here would agree that WT "drink zones" where funner and better than they are now. So far into the forests in places most new players wouldn't even think to look. And why so many say they can never find WT drinking. Cause theyre looking down by the water. But in reality theyre so far away from the water and up deep in the thickest cover. So for anybody cruising Layton and you can't find WT drinking by water,go at least 250 yards or however many meters away from water to find the zone markers. Not in all cases but most. They can be anywhere from 1 yard to 250 yards away from water. Spot some but ditch the binos and go looking for the tracks or markers. You'll find more zones that way instead of relying on "spotting" to find your zones.

The farthest marker that ive foumd on my ps4 map is 325 yards away from the closest source of water 🤷

Hope this helps some

[sacred mountain]

my wt zones are wack rn, so im tracking them on ms paint with a layton map and they are changing and moving like every day (ingame) without shooting the whole herd or creating too much hunting pressure

[keen oar]

how the session score for the great one is only 270?

[cerulean jewel]

probably quick kill

[rigid forge]

Species difficulty rating. Whitetail diamond session score I believe is 250

[full cave]

It ran like 100 meters i think

I used a bad weapon for it too

[rigid forge]

I think the reason you got 270 and not 275 was either quick kill or consecutive harvests

[full cave]

It was quick kill for sure

[rigid forge]

Probably

[stable kindle]

@full cave what map did you get that on

[full cave]

Layton

[stable kindle]

Ok

[full cave]

@full cave

[full cave]

Yea its beyound frustrating just cause laytons such a huge map to have to be constantly searching. On Rancho its no big deal because they can only be in 8-10 different lakes. Much easier to cover the limited areas that they could be in. I understand that the team wants to make grinding for a GO difficult but on "new layton" its beyound rediculous. I'm def not a fan of this whole "new layton" experience. I wish the team would stop messing aroumd with WT. Cause at the end of the day it only leads to pop resets and endless hours for us players to rediscover Layton. A total buzz kill. It seems to get worse the more the team keeps messing with WT.

When it comes down to it all this "tinkering" with WT on Layton makes chasing WT on layton more and more unappealing in the end. It def has driven me away from hunting Layton for WT. I just dont have the time to waste going over the map over and over again. It's too big of a map for that. #leaveWThuntingonLaytonalone EW 🤷

[velvet bough]

Yeah I'm not too sure how we can get that to them. Maybe jaxybeard can say something to them he has to know about this issue

[ripe crag]

#3 they shouldn’t be covered by zones of other animals. Most of my WT drink zones aren’t visible on the map as they’re covered by rabbits need zones.
I need to memorise where the WT need zones are. It’s so annoying!

2 trolls at the same hunting session in Rancho…

It should be illegal.

[somber turret]

You think that's bad imagine shooting two trolls right next to each other literally standing next to each other

[velvet bough]

Well that's normal actually that happens on every map. It's easy to remember where the zones are but they move 24/7

[pliant oak]

i had a funny one yesterday . needed a pic for a new video. asked a random person off here to join my mp with the intent to just take a picture of him aiming. so i take the pictures id cleared all hunting pressure and he saw a nice whitetail can i shoot it ? i said yeah but try not to shoot more as im using this spot for my bobtail grind. i look over the whatever and there is a diamond respawn with a nice piebald buck. so i let the guy shoot both. 😁

it also turned out to be his first diamond and rare

weird how the game is sometimes

[round kiln]

wholesome moment

[high heath]

very

[lilac stirrup]

YOOOo

2 level 5's in the first group

holly crap im shaking

[round kiln]

pog

what animal?

[lilac stirrup]

geese

[high heath]

W H A T

[round kiln]

WTF

[high heath]

one flock?

or 2 seperate

[lilac stirrup]

one flock

[fast ridge]

Wrong channel?

[plush abyss]

nice!

geese are great ones by default

[high heath]

yea

[plush abyss]

embrace the honkers

[high heath]

whoops

[lilac stirrup]

my bad thought i wads in general

[fair wind]

Rare #8 of the grind, 1,300 kills in.

[fair wind]

Rare #9 of the grind, 1,340 kills in.

[velvet bough]

i revidesed my feedback on that in the channel, i hope a ton of people like it and say something in the thread

[velvet bough]

great one #2 down with the 243!!!!

[high heath]

Nice!

[fast ridge]

NOICE

[high heath]

also, i do wonder if theres a GO rack we have yet to discover

[rigid forge]

how many kills between the two?

[velvet bough]

honestly i didnt do the exact count but around 600 ish i

i think

[rigid forge]

so like 8000 kills for two great ones?

[velvet bough]

actually 8100 is about my total so i guess 700

2 great ones and a bugged one lol

[rigid forge]

i think the game decided after that first one took the better part of like 7000+ kills to get, it should give you one more

[high heath]

im at 155 kills

luck in a nutshell

[somber turret]

Did you use the 1x4 scope and hollow point? Lol

[velvet bough]

no lol just used the 243 with poly

i wanted to use it cuz its what i use irl

[somber turret]

Ayy it would be funny to use the original loadout

[velvet bough]

the next great one i may/may not shoot it with longbow, but not sure on that chief lol

[somber turret]

It I ever get a chance I'm thinking about using the air rifle lok

[velvet bough]

i may use that too idk

[velvet bough]

already got another piebald and diamond on the way to the 3rd great one

[velvet bough]

and another piebald lol

not sure why im getting so many piebald spawns but i will take it

[rigid forge]

dew it with .223

iron sights

[velvet bough]

are you able to hunt wt with 223?

[rigid forge]

its 2-4

[velvet bough]

ah lol

[rigid forge]

barely

[velvet bough]

maybe i will since i got my first buck with the 223

irl

[rigid forge]

nice

[rigid forge]

?

[velvet bough]

bruh i just had a deer die laying flat on its back like a dog

but i didnt get a ts because i accidently pressed E

u can kinda see its belly here but its hard to tell

[rigid forge]

LOL

[velvet bough]

lol wish i recorded it tbh i was so close to pressing alt f9 then poof

records for shadowplay on pc

ive got so many deer on the ground im losing frames

[velvet bough]

3rd piebald after my great one

[velvet bough]

dat 25k session score doe lol

[iron valve]

Doooo it

[pliant oak]

might bow or pistol my next great one

[round kiln]

.44

[velvet bough]

actually i may do that, i may use the 45 colt

[high heath]

ima kill mine with the recurve

aka the weapon im only killing diamonds with

[iron valve]

Ima noscope my next one

If it would spawn

[high heath]

lmfao imagine the clip

360 noscope w/recurve

[visual plume]

.303 for the win for iron sights

[round kiln]

.303 soft points

[visual plume]

Mhm

[round kiln]

they're absolutely broken

100% quick kill single lung red deer

[visual plume]

I know everyone loves the M1 but god I love the accuracy and power of the 303

[pliant oak]

m1 is more powerful

especially at distance

[round crest]

Are whitetail deer the only animal that get up to level 10?

[high heath]

so far, yes

[round crest]

Ok

I bet a fabled elk would look sick

[high heath]

mule

[round crest]

And mule

[high heath]

i hope that there are still racks yet to be found

for these WT GO

[round crest]

Same

[high heath]

what the hell is that image

does someone actually have 6 different GO's or its edited together

[novel narwhal]

Found on Reddit about two weeks ago

[round kiln]

can't trust reddit

[fast ridge]

I sincerely doubt those are legitimately obtained.

[high heath]

same

[novel narwhal]

Well this one looks like true, cause there are all GO racks we've seen since release

[high heath]

who the fuck has 6 different GO's

[high heath]

with 6 different racks

[heady lintel]

A cheater and we aren't going to share those cheaters images here. Right @novel narwhal 🙂

[novel narwhal]

K then

[pliant oak]

think grim has 5

i have 4

[sharp tulip]

Hey, does anybody have confirmed information if there are legit piebald GOs?

[round kiln]

there is one legit fabled piebald
there is one legit albino great one

[sharp tulip]

That's why I am curios if there are normal piebald GOs because it seems like the fabled piebald should be the only piebald for GOs.

[heady lintel]

All Whitetail GO's are Fabled. I'm not sure what you mean when you say normal vs fabled.

[sharp tulip]

This is not mine

[heady lintel]

Oh, I see the question now.

[sharp tulip]

Yes, a guy on an other discord I'm on posted one a couple days ago right after he joined the Chat. He just had some bad pics taken with his phone. He said it was a initial spawn on Layton.
Today he posted the next GO. He says it is a initial spawn from rancho. That's why I'm a little bit suspicious.

[fast ridge]

🤔

[sharp tulip]

Like a normal GO from initial spawm is very lucky...but two and one of them is a piebald just seems a little bit to lucky.

[livid escarp]

is there a fabled on more than layton?

[fast ridge]

It's just whitetail atm, so restricted to Layton and Rancho.

and yeah that reeks of a hack

[sharp tulip]

This is one of the pictures he posted

[rigid forge]

not hack, but 10000% spawn-mashing

[heady lintel]

Perhaps only the English language version says Fabled Piebald?

[sharp tulip]

I don't know but do the pattern of them both look very similar or is it just me?

[sharp tulip]

In german it would say "sagenumwoben gescheckt".

[heady lintel]

Assuming it was translated correctly. That's not always the case with games.

[sharp tulip]

There was a time a couple months ago where lots of WT changed their fur to "fabled piebald" or in german "sagenumwoben gescheckt" so the special furtype exists also in the german version

[full cave]

Ye

[high heath]

lemme get this straight, this is legit or hacked/modded

[fast ridge]

Fair chance of it being hacked.

[high heath]

alr

[fast ridge]

or at least spawn-mashed.

[high heath]

thats a problem now ig

[velvet bough]

spawn mashed? thats not something u can really do on cotw, its more effective to just grind from my experience

[fast ridge]

Doesn't stop people, apparently.

[velvet bough]

the way i see it, its no different than server hopping

but a few pros

[high heath]

theres the whole "new game" spawn mash

[velvet bough]

like not having to lag out and such and not getting as many buggy animals. however its risky to mess with files like that 24/7

when you server hop, you are looking for fresh maps and its super easy to find a fresh one so its not much different other than maybe not having direct control of time and being limited on where you can travel

kinda pros and cons to both in my opinion

[full cave]

Great ones are ruined now rancho had such high spawn rates on pc if I got one on pc during the spawn rate bug I'd delete it. But that's me

I think Ron mctube had none till rancho released with the high greatone spawn rate . Grims came from Layton. Correct me if I'm wrong. Not trying to ditch anyones trophys but bugs are bugs

[rigid forge]

One thing to note: there were a bunch of initial spawn great ones

[full cave]

Because of the spawn rate problem

[rigid forge]

No

Just because of how many fresh populations were being generated

Now, not saying you’re wrong, but to call it a “bug” is misleading

A “bug” would be like post-truracs/pre-TA axis deer

[full cave]

But it was a bug

I concede

[rigid forge]

Great one spawn rates were more of a “thing that needed tweaking” rather than a true bug

[full cave]

High spawn rates are a bug

It wasn't intended

Im just saying grim put in a huge effort then people got a heap of greatones due to a spawn rate issue doesnt seem fare

Devalued them so to speak

[rigid forge]

That I won’t disagree with

[full cave]

Thanks

[rigid forge]

I don’t think the term “bug” is accurate because i don’t think it was unintentional, or for that matter, broken. The “fix” wasn’t so much a fix as it was a rebalancing or an adjustment.

Now, a bug would be max weight axis deer spawning every other deer (this did indeed happen in the couple months between the TruAxis release and the te Awaroa release). That was clearly not supposed to happen.

With the great ones, the devs looked at things and decided “maybe this needs some adjusting” and thus lowered their spawn rates

[full cave]

If they intentionally up the spawn rate they ruined greatones on purpose

Just my opinion

[rigid forge]

It’s possible to increase the chances of them spawning without making them less rare. For instance, a “no initial spawn” condition could be a thing

[full cave]

Originally on Layton i dont think initial spawns were a thing but I could be wrong

[rigid forge]

Yeah, because the populations were already established

[full cave]

What about pop reset on pc

[rigid forge]

Yes, there are people who will spawn-mash to get better trophies. That’s borderline cheating

[full cave]

Borderline i think 100% cheats

🤣

[rigid forge]

If we ignore that and only focus on legit players, just from the sheer volume of new populations being created by people buying the map, it was inevitable that some people would get an initial spawn great one

Side note: having a no-initial-spawn condition for great ones would also completely defeat spawn-mashing for great ones

[full cave]

I agree on side note

Hope they add greatone turkey big old scraggy turkey in albino

[pliant oak]

i had two bugged ones prior

also now having 4 i can tell you it didnt really make any difference

prior to now apart from rancho out

i have two on layton and killed about 12000 - 14000 whitetail

its always took roughly on avg 1500 - 2000 kills from the release of great ones to even now

so that hasnt really changed at all since they came out

it was the wording that made it seem like people got cheap great ones

the funny thing is often people say they easier now is mainly cause they actually work the thing is they still take roughly the same as they did at launch. also people who often say they easier are the very people who mainly dont have them. 😁

flinters og one took 1600 my last one was about 1500

so much easier now 😂

layton might be my next grind again soon. the real funny thing is now layton is actually harder than it ever was.

[full cave]

Took grim 16000 for 3

[pliant oak]

and ?

[full cave]

Thats not 1 every 1500

[pliant oak]

avg across the player base

1 million players plus

some may take more some less

avg is about 1500 - 2000

always kinda has been

[full cave]

@full cave Grim had broken GOs, all like me I have 15,000 Whitetails killed on Layton for only 1 real GO and 2 broken GO .....

[pliant oak]

the real truth is its just time spent that really matters

[full cave]

Im not the only one who thinks greatones ruined due to rancho high spawn rate and ew admitted they were spawning at an extremely high rate

[pliant oak]

the longer you keep at it more you will get

its not that skilled its more about being determined

and not giving up grinding

[full cave]

Im not knocking your trophys is rng anyway no skill required

[pliant oak]

which is why i mentioned the wording wasnt great

maybe in the future the great ones should only have one map and not the same species

[full cave]

Its ew s fault not yours i like zaggidk for wiping his trophys he got during the high spawn rate

[pliant oak]

thats the thing it wasnt really higher spawn rate

its just rancho is so easy to hunt compared to layton

[full cave]

When Rancho came out on pc the GO spawn rates were too high but now it's corrected, I play 10h per day only killed whitetails I make between 250/300 wt per day and 7-10 diamonds and 1,400 / 1,500 per week and for me the GO is not easy to find .....

[pliant oak]

also bigger groups

[full cave]

It was they addimitted they were spawning way to much

And fixed it

[pliant oak]

we gone over this already

wording

also my last one was roughly the same avg as its always been

[full cave]

Ok your greatones are legit congratulations

[pliant oak]

not about my great ones just kinda saying the avg per person has been roughly the same since the start

[full cave]

Ok

[pliant oak]

its just rancho is easier to hunt than layton

funny thing is people could kill the same amount on layton as you can on rancho now

so there really isnt that much difference.

also that layton now....is acually pretty hard to hunt

harder than when grim was getting them prior

[full cave]

@full cave I agree with you, the GOs killed when the respawn rate was too high are not legit ...

[pliant oak]

so its not even worth debating

just play have fun

[full cave]

Thats how alot of players feel

Greatones are trash now

My opinion

They are not legit but I like Ron and watch his videos

[pliant oak]

i do understand how people feel

also their opinions

[full cave]

It really sucks ew devalued them

[pliant oak]

you have to look at the great ones as a whole

it was always going to be seen as easier once they spawned properly

the only reason it was seen to be harder because they wernt spawning correctly

they still spawned though at roughly the same rate as they do now

many dont look at the whole picture just parts

[full cave]

People were uploading greatones left and right while the spawn rate was broken now its slowed dramatically

[pliant oak]

fixed great ones. more people getting them. easier map to hunt them

= increased great ones

will be interesting to see that with say maybe mule deer or red deer in the future

[full cave]

I think everyone who got one during the broken spawn rate will agree with you but everyone else stopped hunting them while they were broken

[pliant oak]

i think over all right now whitetail hunting great one hunting is probably the best its been

just layton needs a look at

for the drinking zones and times they reach them

also how some zones whitetail are in bushes or not really at water

that may make layton too easy though so its a careful balance

[full cave]

Id say 99% of players think that greatones killed during them spawning everywhere aren't legit that's my opinion

[pliant oak]

yeah i understand your opinion thats fine

we all have our own and often there not the same nothing wrong with that

it makes us interesting as humans 😁

[full cave]

For me the problem did not come from the players but rather from the developers they had a problem on the rate of appearances of the GOs when Rancho and went out on PC and the players took advantage of it despite not being very legit, I must have seen 30-50 GO the first week on the groups .... and now have seen that it is corrected the numbers have decreased, when the map is out on console and the bug has been corrected there is not had as many GOs killed, this is just my point of view 👀

[pliant oak]

you do have to factor in all the factors though

a new map means more people will play and great ones fixed

which often isnt mentioned or calculated

million people hyped for new map hunting whitetail

obviously more people will get great ones than prior

thousands of more people x whitetail killed work that out thats probably millions of extra whitetail killed

[full cave]

How come when it was released on console nowhere as many were being uploaded when majority of players are on console

[pliant oak]

it would be cool if EW had how many whitetail killed since rancho launched

most people on console were layton versed

you obviously have to take time to learn something new grim was just the same

[full cave]

Where did you get your information

[pliant oak]

what info

[full cave]

Where console players where hunting whitetail after rancho release

[pliant oak]

no one but the devs no the exact figures but you can see if you look at all sides views what happens or goes on

the problem often is a person will mostly look from one view side

console players were layton versed actually killing more whitetail than pc players

they joined rancho after the great ones were apparantly sorted

so all it actually comes down to is the average amount of whitetail needed to get a great one over the whole player base

nothing else

which is very similar to what its always been

a interesting convo but it is often just goes in circles.

[full cave]

😂

[pliant oak]

😁

[velvet bough]

I call it legit if it was still grinded for

[plain raptor]

It’s not players fault RNG was on their side

Luck of the draw in the end

I need to get back on my GO grind 🤔

[velvet bough]

truuu

[full cave]

No one said it was the players fault the great ones were spawning way to much. EW has all the statistics from pc players they know every poop that has been investigated. And the spawn rate was way to high.

[full cave]

Its not a grind if they just spawn everywhere

My opinion. I'm not the the only one who thinks the ones gotten during this period are cheap greatones.

[velvet bough]

if you shoot 4k wt and get one you deserve it

and thats how i feel

[full cave]

Not if they spawning in incorrectly but that's my opinion and 99% of other players

[velvet bough]

youre saying 99% of others think that way? youre one of the only ones who have came to this chat and brought that up

and they were still very very rare and not spawning near as much as it looked

[full cave]

Watch youtube

Lol

[velvet bough]

i do watch youtube im one of scarecrows moderators

and ronmctube is a youtuber and hes alwasy in here

[full cave]

You can think they are legit if you want

Have a nice day

[velvet bough]

the spawn rate really isnt much different, but you too

i got both of my great ones after the update

and im glad i did so they didnt turn albino

i shot 5 thousand whitetail when they were "spawning too common" and i didnt get one

[full cave]

How can you say the spawn rate isn't that much different when you couldn't get one for a very long time then rancho and the over spawning greatones come out and you have 2. My point proven same as Ron couldn't get one till rancho and spawn rate issue

[velvet bough]

becasue 1. layton is almost impossible to grind and slows the process, most people were aggrivated and quit hunting whitetail. 2- regardless of whether you was in the last update or this update, most people had to shoot 2-4k whitetail to get one to spawn.

[full cave]

Im off before an argument starts

Have a nice day

[velvet bough]

lol ok

cya

[full cave]

I must add ron has one from Layton which is legit i should congratulate him . Well done ron

[velvet bough]

scarecrow had just told me they worded the patch note wrong or something

any great ones from layton are tough to get regardless considering how overly difficult it is to grind that map, i killed 3-4k on there and i hated it

someone in flinters discord shot 2 great ones back to back in a row, legitimately. and he said he barely plays, he showed he only has like 6 diamonds

total diamonds

[full cave]

Yea I'm not sure what to think. When Rancho was released wed see 5-6 GOs posted a day. Lots where shot under 450 kills. That was way too easy id say. Overall I'm tired of people crying about how many K theyve killed and no GO. Try grinding for 17 months,I stopped counting at 10 k kills. Have no idea how many K I'm up to now.

But it did feel like those early GOs were way to "cheap" and easy. But just my opinion

I have countless DMs agreeing with me from people who didn't want to say it in the public chat because they are friends with Ron and blitz

[full cave]

They were way to cheap its not fare on others that put in the hard yards

I know I dont view them as I did before. So many were taken by "EWs mistake" that they're not really a big deal anymore. Except knowing the "long term grinders" and when they get one,I see it as a big deal. Many have worked so hard for 10 times longer and still dont have one.

[velvet bough]

thats what im saying tho im pretty sure they didnt really change anything BUT if they did, the people who long term grinded for it did deserve it.

i mean just look theres still lots of people right now getting them after 100-200 kills, some people after 20 kills or initial spawn, and one guy got two great ones in a row after the update

[velvet bough]

im not here to be mean or argue to anyone im just saying from the people ive talked to and content creators i know. if you watch ladylegend and KC they both grinded hard for one to get one so did ronmctube, scarecrow, etc. alot of us beleive the issue was initial spawns and thats what they fixed but expansive worlds wasnt specific on what they changed with the spawn rates

if they changed it at all

[full cave]

Everyone you mentioned couldn't get one till rancho release of course they gonna agree

[velvet bough]

thats because layton was difficult. and they were broken

i had a bugged great one on layton before rancho dropped, so did scarecrow

[full cave]

I give up you win

[velvet bough]

you wanna see it?

[iron valve]

I think initial spawns shouldn't count but the rest are fair game

[velvet bough]

i think thats the only thing they changed tbh

[iron valve]

There was a couple

[velvet bough]

also if you have say, 400 bucks on your maps (between layton and rancho) and 16k people are playing on steam, theres gonna be quite a few initial spawns

400x16k is 6,400,000 whitetaiil deer spawns

total in the community

[iron valve]

Yea but pc has other factors we don't mention as well which makes it really hard to figure out if there spawning wrong or not

But that is a ton of wt

[spare jasper]

uh quick question, what are fabled ones?

[iron valve]

Huge wt

[velvet bough]

that is true im just saying the numbers of spawns killed initially are likely normal considering the 6.4 mil potential spawns (and a great one normally spawns within 2-4k kills so think about that)

[velvet bough]

there are lv10 fabled whitetail deer, that is called a great one. there is also a super super rare fur type called "fabled piebald" that can only spawn on great ones

[iron valve]

I don't have a photo on hand

[velvet bough]

one sec

[spare jasper]

I have killed like 5,000 total animals and only two diamonds, I think i am safe from these great ones you speak of haha

[iron valve]

Oh wow

[spare jasper]

holy shit

[velvet bough]

theres mine from the other day

[iron valve]

There's different racks as well

[spare jasper]

Damn congrats

[velvet bough]

but thats one of the 6 or 7 possible racks

[fast ridge]

That's the rack I'd love to get one day tbh

[velvet bough]

i was tempted to shoot it with pellet gun, but i shot it with 243 since thats the gun i use IRL

next one i am getting im using 45 colt

[iron valve]

Im like 4k into my second with no luck 😀

[magic phoenix]

My favorite great one is the great one doe

[velvet bough]

id assume u are likely getting close hope its soon!

[magic phoenix]

Render glitch great one, if anyone even got one glitched

[iron valve]

Scarecrows been writing a essay

[magic phoenix]

Mans writing the declaration of independence

[iron valve]

Indoependance

I'll see myself out

[full cave]

It takes a long essay to try and prove unlegit GOs are legit

[velvet bough]

at least it would have factual information lol

[full cave]

Does he work for EW

[iron valve]

Cc

Almost everyone here knows more about the game then the devs that's not a valid argument

[full cave]

Im not arguing

[pale oracle]

For anyone curious I don't think they were ever spawning too much. If you didn't realize there was so many fixes for them leading up to ranchos release that of course they would show up more. There was 15k concurrent players on pc alone when rancho released and a good majority went straight for whitetail deer. That combined with great ones not bugging out into level 4s and 5s anymore made them show up way more often. Not to mention Rancho has such easy whitetail hunting that i kill 0ver 130 every 2 hours & for a lot of other people its the same. Tbh i think EW jumped the gun on decreasing spawns especially since most people thought it was fine and I agree with them. Now the one issue they most likely had was spawning from initial spawns too much. Too many people got them without killing anything. But if you didn't get one that way it usually took anywhere from 500-5000 to get one. I think too many people take things at face value and don't look deep enough into what is most likely actually happening. Also now that that change has happened nothing has changed with the amount of them you see. Not too mention during the time everyone was getting them more were appearing on console as well. So many things the average person overlooks or doesn't want to consider. Just cause you couldn't get one and others got it fast doesn't mean something was wrong.

[pale oracle]

No i dont , im just a content creator with a ton of great one grinding experience.

And someone who thinks deeply into what could be causing issues the game currently has.

[full cave]

It wasn't released on console at the time of high spawn rates

[pale oracle]

That literally one of my points, people were getting more on console at the same time and they didnt even have the update yet. Which means they were got off layton ehile they were still bugging out a lot

[velvet bough]

yeah but there was still 15k people. 15kx400 is 6 million whitetail deer spawns

when grim showed his tactics it was helping quite a few people get them once they got the grind really going

[full cave]

I knew id get ganged up on by people who couldn't get one till spawn rate issue

[pale oracle]

Wheather you like Grim or not he got lots of people wanting to grind the great one on both pc and console. And thats one of the things that ccounted for more showing up aswell

I did get one tho

I got a bugged 4 before rancho

[velvet bough]

and out of 6 million whitetail deer spawns you could say that could be around 1k great ones just from initial spawn. and that number is assuming IF they spawned every 4 thousand kills

[raw ether]

I thought it was a 5?

[velvet bough]

if great ones spawned every 10k kills, there would be around 600 great ones initial spawn

[pale oracle]

Typo

Meant 5

[raw ether]

Lol

[rigid forge]

several things contributed to the explosion of great ones around rancho's release:

1. bugged ones weren't spawning anymore
2. Grim's tactics (whether they work or not is up for debate, but it got a lot of people grinding whitetail)
3. tons of fresh whitetail pops from rancho's release
4. it's a lot easier to grind whitetail on rancho than it is layton

[full cave]

I like grim he grinded hard for a long time to get his 5 then rancho came out ron quickly gets 4 and compares himself to grim seems unfair

[pale oracle]

Exactly

[velvet bough]

100%

[raw ether]

I stopped grinding for another GO once ranch came out, I honestly preferred the respawns pre rancho

[velvet bough]

and like i said, if you do any sort of statistical math you can get a rough assumption or range of how many possibly spawned

[rigid forge]

100%, and pre-rancho, we were getting a bunch of bugged ones which would lead to the spawn rates seeming like they were a lot lower than they actually were

[velvet bough]

not to mention probably half of these people went on to shoot at least 100 whitetail deer. 8 thousand x 100 is 800,000 more whitetail spawns on top of the 6 mil

[pale oracle]

I like layton but whitetail can drink across the entire map which makes it a much tougher grind. I would love to hunt them more on layton but they are so inconsistent

[raw ether]

Yeah I get that

[velvet bough]

well 8 isnt half of 15 but wanted to make it simpler

[velvet bough]

its so difficult tbh. thats why i suggested it in feedback

[pale oracle]

I do love layton a lot tho, its one of my favorite maps to hunt. Whitetail just act so weird so its hard to hunt them there

[rigid forge]

lets assume about a third of the whitetail are males. so that gives us about 2.5-3 million new whitetail buck spawns in the first few hours of rancho's release

[raw ether]

Had they been able to fix whitetail on Layton or at least fix GOs, as long as I had my zones I would still continue, but my favorite zones don’t have whitetail anymore

[velvet bough]

o yeah when i say 6 mil i mean between both layton and rancho not just rancho

[rigid forge]

that too

[velvet bough]

it would be around 3 mil assuming there is 200 bucks per map

[full cave]

Wait what?? More people were getting them from console than the pc players were getting from pc released Rancho???

[pale oracle]

Yea cause layton got fresh pops on ranchos release aswell

[velvet bough]

yep thats why i included that ^^

[pale oracle]

No not more than PC more than before grim showed his tactics

[full cave]

Pretty sure EW came out and said the so called bugged GOs were bugged diamonds

I'm not talking about grim.

[fast ridge]

I see it's debate night

[pale oracle]

Nah they didnt, its in the patch notes that it was bugged great ones

[velvet bough]

they were wrong at the time and there is video proof showing them transform into other levels

[raw ether]

Indeed

[rigid forge]

assuming the game's playerbase is evenly spread out between the three platforms (which it most likely isn't), that would mean around 2/3 of players are on console. it's likely that the actual figure is lower, but still, its likely that theres more console players than PC players

[full cave]

Yea going to go pop some popcorn cause this is .....

[pale oracle]

Yep lmao, just trying to get some deeper thinking into the great one debate

[velvet bough]

actually they still turn into lv3s-lv5 in multiplayer for anyone who isnt host which is more proof of how they were broken before

[pale oracle]

Yea and that was confirmed to be bugged just recently

[velvet bough]

yep lol

which is what i was also trying to say is that it very well may be a bug and wasnt confirmed and now it is 😂

[full cave]

They were still GOs on the hosts screen

All I know as a long term player is that once it was released to pc on Rancho we saw easily 5-6 GOs a day posted here. Once released to console and GO was adjusted on Rancho we see what,2-3 a week???? Cant be just coincidence 🤷

[velvet bough]

but not the others screen thats the thing

[velvet bough]

there was tons of broken great ones being shot before too

grim got two bugged great ones before rancho dropped, i got one, scarecrow got one, ron got one i think if i remember right

[pale oracle]

Ron got 2 i believe

[full cave]

Maybe but maybe not. I posted my fake GOs during the last 17 months. I saw a few but not many other fake GOs posted

[velvet bough]

400 (200x2 because layton and rancho together) x15k who are hunting on steam is 6 mil whitetail spawns. lets assume, a great one is killed every 10k kills. 6mil/10,000 = 600 initial great one spawns

now lets throw in say, if 8k of them shot at least 100 bucks

[pale oracle]

Probably cause the console release is so laggy that a good portion of the console players aren't playing or are atleast avoiding rancho

[velvet bough]

100x 8k is 600 thousand

[full cave]

Bit that's based off an assumption not real numbers

[velvet bough]

but its estimate. its rough numbers

and 10k is actually high on the bar. most are killed within 2-4k

which would really be 1500 great ones

thats just PC

[pale oracle]

if less people are playing then there will be less that show up. And theres alot of people taking a break cause of the lag and bugs

[velvet bough]

so i actually sat that way high up on the bar and there is still that many

[rigid forge]

i will say one thing though.

There is a L O T of survivor bias in all of these statistics. we only see the great ones that get posted, we do not see the ones that don't get posted. we don't hear about the people that don't grind for great ones, only the ones that do.

[velvet bough]

thats between layton and rancho together since laytons all got wiped

[velvet bough]

thats the other thing. but i think we haave seen enough posted to be able to make the assumption that most great ones are killed within 2-4k kills

im also not saying 600 of them were posted though thats just the possible nummber of initial spawns, it would be normal to see around 100 of them posted id assume if the majority of them dont use the media

[rigid forge]

so lets say 6 million new whitetail of which a third are bucks. 2 million brand new buck spawns. + another million or so from people grinding.

assuming a high estimate of 5k kills per great one, that gives us about 500-600 great ones in the first few hours of rancho's PC launch

[full cave]

As always here in discord its turning into "I'm right,youre wrong,SPECULATION". Just people expressing their opinions. I'm out. Have fun.

Its all speculation unless anybody here works for EW?

[velvet bough]

im just going off of math and rough assumptions. and like i said i set the bar high and it still equaled out to a very high number regardless

[full cave]

Yea dude your 100% right on the assumptions

[pale oracle]

Im just speaking on the stuff i have seen and experienced while grinding and watching over the community

[velvet bough]

im not saying my math is 100% correct but its theory

[full cave]

I just said scarecrow and blitz are 100% correct🤷

[velvet bough]

example- IF they spawn within 2-4k kills, or if they spawn within 10k kills, and if there is 15k people hunting