#🦌︴great-ones
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I must be doing something wrong, because in herds that used to have at least two deer, there are now only females
Max Level #277 of the grind (#2 of the new save)
When time hits 12, I set the time back to 10 and restart the game. Could that be the issue?
Fallow?
I went from 39 goats to manage to 10-12 in 3 days and within 60 kills
Whitetail
Ohh
it's going so well 🥹
I can't help with wt 
No problem, thanks, maybe someone else can tell me
@inner warren @rich gazelle can probably help you
with wtd grind questions
they are popping them like crazy
It would be awasome
Yes, the males simply don't respawn. Where are they?
you have every zone for whitetail on your map?
I've completely bypassed Revontuli twice, I'm 90% sure
If they don't appear, then I'm in that 10%, right?
Okay, I'll go around the map again
everywhere highlighted in red, they drink
Why this place is not highlighted? I have 2 drink zones there
lol, i had no idea tbh. thats weird
Why did I arrive, and there weren't any deer at the drink zone where there are always deer? Maybe that's why I didn't find all the zones—because they just don't show up?
Maybe that's how I didn't find all of the zones
and they are nervous
I restarted the game and still
drinking somewhere random because of it
most people when making guides make them based off innitial spawns. each persons map can slightly vary
also animals can move around from innitial spawns
Easiest map for whitetail g1?
layton
I pewfer medved
Especially for moose
Got a 2.2K moose grind there right now
For wt??
Oh no sorry 😭😭 i meant like overall
Yeah for wt deffos rev
Has anyone started askiy wt grind
Ive heard of a couple people trying it
Idk if ive seen someone follow up with a g1
Lady got one from it
A blade rack i think
Which rack is blade for wt
One sec
Ah
Max Level #276
If I find all the white-tailed deer drink zones, and when I shoot a male in one of the herds and re-enter the game, will the game immediately spawn a new one in its place?
no, you have to wait roughly 15 irl mins give or take for respawns
So if I shoot a deer and wait 15 min, then re-enter the game there's gonna be a new male if I've found all drink zones?
I got one from askiy hoping my second shows soon
Finding all your zones doesnt really do anything with respawn consistency, you often times have to shoot more than 1 deer to get a respawn generally around 15-20 for them to be consistent
Rev
So the minimum is 15 right?
Not necessarily, its just what’s generally best for consistency
From what I’ve personally found anyway
Thank you very much
Shoot me a pm
Bro don't know ball😭😭
When the timer starts?
And how do I trigger respawn? Re-enter the game?
Just donate the max levels to me at this point...🤣🤣
You got enough...
I got 0
💔
Just pray
They kinda only spawn when they feel like it
The timer SHOULD start when you claim the animal
they all on the rivers so a bit awkward tbh
respawns are based on numerous factors like time and other things we dont know
fallows normally take 10 mins tigers take ten minutes from collecting the body to respawning but its different for many species and thats just one of the factors
main menu doesnt do anything
If not just menu but full re-start?
And thank you guys really appreciate
doesnt change it
they did it when respawns changed to stop people resetting respawns instantly
lets goo
Would killing a female fallow deer makes the process for the g1 to spawn longer and if it dose how much dose it take it back by?
no
Thanks for the information
They respawn on their own, re entering the game does nothing anymore other than making the deer calm again if they were nervous
makes no difference
the only difference is if you kill some females in a group males can move into that group
on respawn
Had a good day lol
dime 12
How many kills?
Does anyone know how to Grind fox on Emerald coast, I will be happy if someone will say it step by step 👍
Set up on the 6 lakes
Swap females
And shoot
Easy
6 lakes? I think there is method with 2 lakes how it work?
2 Lakes is a scam
You will get a jumper every 10 kills
These lakes
And river?
Without the river
They will never respawn at river?
They will respawn everytime on this 6 lakes?
Only 6 lakes? Don't need more lakes?
Yes
Yes
And they will everytime respawn on this 6 lakes?
Undoubtedly
Ok thanks
And how swap females?
Off the island here is off the 6 lakes
Yes typical + anything
And i will use all 6 lakes in every run in Grind?
And they will never jump to other lakes from this 6 lakes
?
Probably no
And what about single males at this 6 lakes
Leave them
Shoot them
Dont swap them
You are swapping ONLY solo females
Obviously
Thanks And you have GO Fox?
On Emerald?
Hirsh and salz
And how to do it on Hirsch?
Secret
And how you know this 6 lakes method on Emerald?
Because its like the easiest thing to do
And why you don't do it there?
A lot of zones
On Hirsch is it same?
Yes
Fox grind Is same on every map, only thing what isnt same Is main shooting lakes?
And number of zones
And do you know which lakes use on New England mountains?
And how to find it out?
Is there more way to swap pairs?
But nobody grind fox on New England
Nobody is insane
No
I Heard like 3 types of swapping method
There is the smalest number of Zones i think
Salz has WAY less
And the MOST zones are on nem
plus salz has the easiest method
I don't have salz😢 And i want to Grind there pheasant
Then grind hirsh, nem has like 5 trillion zones for everything
or cuatro
I will buy salz in Future
Typ blade
typical for sure
omg XD
its depressing not having a g1 in months ngl 😭
its been
like 4-5 months
for bear , id take a glacier at this point
or a golden spoon fallow
idc
just gimme a g1 game 😭
Prob half typ/lil big or half typ/drop would be my guess
Thats what I would have thought too
W combo
Wait I got a question, do I have to get around 200+ kills in one go or not?
there is no number
could be one kill could be insert a number
Oh. So it is just luck?
we dont really know
Oh, thanks for telling me tho
some say its random some think there is a system
but there is no proof of any
which is good really
herd management seems to make a good difference
on average of getting great ones
i killd it 
Didnt even see him for like 30 secs 😭💔
Max Level #278 of the grind (#3 of the new save)
Goot
Ty ty
I got a diamond Ronda Ibex yesterday and tak offered me the Beceite
Nice
so Grand Slam Done
I still need 3 more pieces for that
damn
Im just gonna get the g1 mool dur and then probably grind for a rare male yote
Hi
Hi tak
i like that horn type
My duck out mtm has 2 max scores
Me rn
Triple U
NICEE billy, congratulations
Thanks
of course tak/axis/reisa😛
AWEHWA
Ty ty
If the magic 8ball is correct I should get my g1 mule deer this week
I got my dime ferri yesterday like the 8ball said
🙏🏼🙏🏼
what combo you hoping for?
Dusky cork
Or any dusky combo that isnt the chandelier or fungus one
honestly valid
There he is 580 kills short grind
Like, actual dusky or mislabeled dusky
Axis
And reisa
Boi ts so tuff
Now everyone
Let's post reisa drumstick
Get out
Actual dusky
I would've said Milkyway if I meant mislabeled
Might be 1 of 3 total people that like Cork
Yes
i am proud to be part of that 1/3
I'm also part of the 1/3
Getting it with the Cobweb made it grow on me a lot
It's not even bad
@coral falcon random question do you happen to know how many yote zones are on nem?
Can this lake be my main lake on the Grind with this 6 lakes?
Why?
Because they won't respawn here
And where they will respawn?
Bro i have no idea
Anywhere on the map
Only the foxes shoot on the 6 lakes will respawn on the 6 lakes
And can i move them on this 6 lakes by dead zone?
No
😢 I find there level 9 And i thought i will stack him there
Oh well
That's unfortunate
It is
I don't know. I had 2 trolls on Layton and a diamond on Rancho.
Damnit
So far its horrid
thought so
The lakes are all covered
Well ig I gotta tear down some of my mulie tents so I can just try rancho
river + night = nuh uh
Its a 3 hr drink time too
yes
Ig back to rancho
Feral Goat Grind : 2800 kills
At least... :
- 277+ max levels
- 19 guaranteed diamonds level 5
- 2 guaranteed diamonds level 4
- 48 guaranteed trolls
- 13 diamond level 4
- 88 diamonds level 5
- 177 trolls
- 15 rares (5 black, 10 mixed)
- 0 ALBINO, 0 Super Troll, 0 Super Rare
that's where i'm at dawg
Imagine the sr is an albino lmfao
that would be so neat
indeed
nice !
15th of the grind
No just got close to him to make a photo
i will reply to this message when i have a greatone
FUHHHHH
i think i remember that
you accidentally pulled the wrong weapon out?
Nope.
oh no…what happened
It was pearl #6 I think
just wanted to
LMFAO WHAT THEFUCK
Fr, Im at like 19 total phesants
.470 is crazy 😭😭🙏🙏

faaahhhh….
that was in like march
i have 2 bers
but one is botched….
gotta use the bow next time trust
i would FOR SURE botch it
hey if i can get my first fallow with one you can get a burr
true
but you’ve used bows before have you mot
ive never touched a bow
no
when i used it on that fallow i had maybe 2 successful shots
damn, i had no idea
i think the only person i had told about my bow success before i took that fallow was mihai and i have no clue if he remembers that lmao
I do:D
Bro misspelled a LETTER 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
not the worst i’ve done lmfao
Lol
I HOY A GREAT IOBE
finally bruh
i got 2 on my map after 1 run wtf
what is my luck
i just went too my next zone and saw a cluster rack
me neiterh tbh
i saw that one after 700 kills and then i go to my next zone and find that one
0what
2 on my map is crazy
call me
if u dont mind
i dont miind
yeah ima stack them for now
It would be great for HM
Hi
Whitetail #23
Kills-143
Dimes-13
Trolls-3
Rares-2
Piebald-1 Mela-1
Typical #2
Ezzz🔥
nice typical i need one so bad
Nice one... Worst wt rack, still nice
Cmon 123 kills gotta take that
143*
And a random levitating deer
Did say it's a nice trophy
Also g1s kinda tend to pile up after the 1st one
Yeah its like 1st is always hardest
W dime rate?
Hacks
Can i see your pantry set up?
Mule deer #4
491 kills
Give it NOW
Lmao Ngl that was the longest but most average grind ever it took 3 months but was only 1200 kills it took 3 months because I started it right before Asky dropped lol
Is this a unique rac one of my buddies got it and ive never seen it before
it's a new one
also big af for that one too
Ty bebal
Silly billy
How many kills
huh
wrong person😭 was looking at another g1
how many mule deer drink zones on srp?
Not bad bro
Here’s one of my best codexes for feral goats (208.71 is dime)
Nope
i got 9 diamonds in 1.3k kills so like
mine wasnt herd managed
and 8 trolls
i was still working on hm when i got mine
Is 280 great one fellow big?
That's too damn bad
Lemme see what mine is
Avg spoon rack is 280-285 anything past that is little big biggest one I’ve seen is 289 or 290
So my spoon rack is incredibly smol
He's 279
I’ve seen 278 279 I mean at least the ones I’ve shot I only got maybe 2 or 3 high 270 spoons
Actually majority of Irish I see are 270-273 most the time
No you didn't, they max out at 288.85
275 is on the high end for elk
Well I'll be damned
Biggest to be shot an posted so far that Ik of
should i grind pheasants?
Jesus
im like 350 kills deep into a whitetail rn
I'll probably spawn a bigger one tho
Yes
Spoon painted incoming
I want 300 scoring painted Irish
ok imma try and get a diam ferri first tho
ive killed a few ones close to it
i got a 1045 scoring 2
Bold of you to assume the game will give you the combo you want
It gave me that and i wanted it
Thats luck
What zacky said
Legit never spawned a combo I like for any GO
lol
I love my space bear
I asked for great one red deer and it gave me the exact fur that i wanted
I love my big rack wt
I got screwed hard with foxes at least the 2nd one
🤦
Moose needa be nice and give me spruce
Muley need to give me a dusky with a rac i like
Cinnamon velvet
Ashen quad
A combo I dont have Ill take it
Id have almost all the ashens then
Bro is full of joy and happiness
Anyone have good pheasant tips?
Shoot females
ashen quad is good though
la creatura
the hell is this
a whitetail deer
i think it’s a baby irish elk
i don’t think i’ve seen one with a rack this flat before
16th of the grind
Shooting 'blindly' lvl5 mule at such distance, my heart stopped 😄
Ye but it was a guaranteed troll so I wasn't upset about it
Not true there was a bigger one in lady’s
17,247 Kills
521 Diamonds
26 rares
1 Super Rare
20 Great Ones
I now have every plumage for the Pheasants and a Super.
I. am. Complete.
What sr
21.21 Lue
Zamn!!!
I could go for a albino and a Mela Sr. But I have been grinding them since they came out. I am really happy with my 1 sr
But past that, I know have 1 of everything for the pheasants. Every g1, max weight and score for every common plumage, and a super
Hmmm, max score and min score for every GO plumage👍
😳
Oh hell nah
I might try for a max and a min but not for every plumage
only 17k for all the variants?
gdamn it took me 11.7k just to get one
RIp
i got 2 really short after but the most recent was a dupe
RIP*
Im on a 2200 kill phes grind, I hate it
i'm not a huge fan of it tbh
do you spawn ontop of them?
like it's not a bad grind by any means
No
i just don't enjoy it but that's prob cause my first grind took forever
Honestly rather hunt tahr😭
Ah, thats how I have been doing it
I would if it wasnt so bad on console
i'd take pheasant before tahr
my te tahr like to make a new herd like every couple hundred kills for no reason
God, I hate when that happens
my sundar zones are worthless for grinding
it's so bad
I made my sundar zones good, there arent many zones on that map that arent possible to hunt, just some suck more than others
Plus dime rate hella good
thankfully mine only go to like 2 different areas but i still hate it
my dime rate is good on te
Whats it like
like i would have no problem with te tahr at all if they didn't just randomly make a new herd
good respawn wise tbh
No the dime rate
have a really nice dime rate from what i remember
i think it's like a 1 in 12-15 dime rate
I have a 1 in 4 dime rate on sundar and all I managed was the solos and like 4 herds
and i could HM down further and get a better dime rate if i wanted
i think i have like 15 or so on te
sometime it's around 1 in 12
sometimes less than that for a few runs but then i won't get any for a few runs after it happens
So you avg out at about 1 in 13?
i really don't mind te tahr at all apart from what i've complained about already
pretty much yeah
good enough dime rate for me
I really hate the look of te
it's not the best looking tbh
and on console i don't think you can turn fog off
so that makes it worse
I cant handle anything over a 1 in 10 I generally go for 1 in 5 if I can
Nah
Console is horrible
I never get rain or fog on sundar, that’s probably one of the things I like the most
i don't think i have enough patience to try getting a 1 in 5 dime rate
Its not as bad as it seems
An extra 2-3 days of HMing pays off
Depending on how much you play a day
if we ever get a wolf GO then i might actually do it
I never got my bears back to the point they used to be, nor do I plan in it but they were unbelievably good
not as much as i use to for sure but that's just cause i'm not into the MD GO that much and don't really want to grind anything i have setup current
I’ve been shooting an obnoxious amount of red deer and moose recently
Cant grind fallow…
WT are being good but I alr have 7 stacked
it's boring but it's also kind of a really nice grind for me just because i spent so much time getting things shot down really low and made sure i have nothing that bounces to exteriors
My parque mulies are at a great spot currently I just dont wanna bother any more HMing
I have 35 deer left to shoot down
Might leave them where they are at though, dime rate is rlly good
i think i spent something like 90 hours getting everything shot down how i wanted it
Thats a lot
it was so bad and caused burnout faster than any other grind i've done
i spent like 9 hours just trying to get the last solo down to a min weight est 2
and then i had a really annoying herd that got late respawns and never showed up unless i fast traveled to an outpost around 1km away and changed time and went back
I hate zones like that
i could reset time at the zone like infinite amount of times and they'd never show
the only thing that worked was going to an outpost to change time and come back
Ive always just reset time, swapped maps and came back
and despite all that effort to get things shot down so low i only have like a 1 in 15 dime rate if that
Ive noticed that with askiy and rancho
wonder if it's something to do with a low population?
gdamn
Big maps have better dimes rates when HMed
whats the kill per hour rate on it
I just menaged my two fellow zones!!
thought you were about to drop like some crazy ass 120-150 kill per hour grind with 53 shooters
Nah
I could maybe get that once I get everything else shot down for the extra tents
Im just grinding 4 lakes
thought maybe you just had some really nice zones just close enough to each other
i would love to get 100+ kills an hour again
I miss my old wt
but it just hasn't seemed possible since the tent change
I could get 1k kills in like 8 1/2 hrs
holy
Yeah respawn timer messed up alot…
I was shooting about 120 wt an hour with the canning
that and not being about to fast travel and keep the herd invisible
And on controller
That helped so much for a lot of zones.
it really did
I had to get rid of 3 zones because of the change
i gave up on my medved moose because of it lol
i had a lake that i shot like 4 zones on it
Dang
can't do it anything now
i could maybe get 2 if they don't spook from the gunshots
i use to be able to get 90-110 moose an hour
i temporarily gave up on layton moose
I was able to get about the same, i wanna say right around EC release
so many solos and i see so many people saying the 2 bull 2 cow zones aren't consistent which makes the grind a lot slower
Yeah those zones got nerfed hard
yep that was around the same time i think i was getting that
which is ass cause it brings down kills per hour a lot
Yeah
I shoot 13 a run rn, I only shoot 1 moose per zone
Super slow compared to what it used to be
i think i'd give up the last 3-4 GOs we've got to be able to go back to how grinding use to be
it's not even that they've been bad GOs either it's just that i feel like they haven't been asked for
apart from mule deer
Yeah
Fox have been for a while but not nearly as asked for as something like elk
Or lion
but then with the mulies i feel like they aren't all that great
I wouldnt like a lion GO honestly
They really arent, once they released the furs they got quite a bit of hate ngl
I want kudu ngl, only if they drink in the day though
i'd take kudu
especially if they were a greater kudu GO
no actually i feel like they gotta do that now with africa 2.0
greater kudu great one
right?
it'll prob be wigeon
We would get probably 5 furs, 2 being decent at best, other 3 are trash and 4 racks and 1 might be good others would be mid
Give me pink moose GO
A duck GO would honestly be horrible
Kwaks would like it tho
Yes
kwak wants GO mallard
Ya
if we get another bird GO i want turkey
Bobwhite🗣️
Only 3pm
🤨
👌🏽
I almost got super rare red deer😔
Show
oh
Given the fact I have 18 shooter red deer I think id have a better dime rate than 1 in 35…
I genuinely dont know how its this bad
GO incoming
I hunt everywhere they drink
Dude probably shows up at night
Hes bugged fs
I do have a GO stacked on the map but his top est is 255, no way he breaks my dime rate this much
Past 1 for me
i hope the next one i get is SR wolf
anything but acromela
i'd even take dark grey over acromela
I never seen the new furs
I would prefer regular mela over both new melas
Thats a licorice fox
i like it a lot
But its cool cuz it wolf
there's so many options they could have went with over acromelanistic though
Ik
you mean like this one?
I want a sr cat or Wt
Nah its not a max score
Or bovine
Wt supers😛
at least it was a male so it could go in multimount
i'd love to see what the dime rate on my wolf grind would be if i managed down everything to 5s
This is why you red deer won’t work
i already get like 2 dimes every run or every other run
Oh well
I have a crazy wt grind on a W map
I get a rare like every 50 kills
Imma do asiky
Cant get another super to save my life
I honestly hate askiy
Was gonna be my main moose map until i realized how bad it is
Ill go back to medved before I do askiy
Good for Wt
Fair nuff
gotta have like 2 herds just far enough apart from each other that they don't spook but could call in 2 GOs to the same area
Yeah
Although I could grind 2 herds same zone, I just hate the risk of shooting a doe
Im pretty good at that
Yes
Im also good at spawning more SR wt than caven
My game genuinely can’t spawn one
Yes but can’t get
I feel you bro
Do you play on xbox? Im down to chill in a party after I get my braces
My user is Raphfo8973
Ight
nice funky diamond rack mulie
Just found a lake full of level 3 solos like 5 different groups im devastated on the mule deer grind
This is going to ruin my whole grind setup bruh
I guess I’ll just start the grind and take them down as I go
Im pretty much grinding every lake so
Two troll level 5 Muleys
What map
just got my first great one on Revontuli Coast! took about 800 kills, super lucky!
Is there a multiplayer joining bug?? Because when I try to join my friend or he joins me it just keeps saying the host isn’t there anymore?
Yes there seem to be one
Layton I don't have revontuli
Yeah, its been an issue for a long time now, probably 3 years atleast
18 and 19
got my 2nd diamond today gold fur wildebeest diamond
Not nem 😔
Git another
17k kills, 500+ dimes, 26 rares, 1 super rare, and 20 g1s later. I now have every single plumage in the game!
I might, my moose are cracked on NEM
They have a fuggin 3 minute respawn timer
<@&393042322499305473> throw him to Shelob
rule 5 bro
its in trophy chat and gen chat too
I am so over these mules
Annoying beasts
Gimme corkscrew PLEASE
Part of me feels like I should shoot just…every mule deer on askiy like I used to for whitetail lol
Whole herd deaths
Finally second moose. 1979 kills
i mean if you're trying to get a GO and female rares it's probably a good way to do it
especially if you do it on askiy since you can tent every lake
for mulies anyway
Tbh yeah mules feel weird as heck once herd management kicks in like…you get a load of dimes then just nothing
It’s weird
I’m getting a hella itchy trigger finger from it lol
Parque grind🙏
so i am doing my first great one grind on fallow deer and my herds are starting to turn into all does, about 99% sure i have all the zones i have 36 but more and more of my zones are turning to all does. is this normal? i am doing management and i still have 11 spots with shooter bucks. just trying to figure out if i am on the right track
they're interesting to say the least
they're my most heavily HMd grind and still don't usually give more than about a 1 in 12 dime rate
prob cause the low pop on askiy but still
shot 8 foxes on the river in 25 minutes
in NEM, not bad
tired asf tho. gonna check my goats (1 run) and call it day
Mine pop off then die
mine usually only do that after a GO
and then the dime rate after that is really weird
they seem to come in waves
How long did this take?
10 months. So since they dropped
Good job that’s sick. I’m sure your lodge is 🔥🔥🔥
Max Level #281, #282, #283 and piebald fallow
deer that is red
Yeah, I want blue deer
dilute mulies
Do it.
You mean Daniel 😅🫱
Get it
Because its different in other language
Come on guys laugh
Pls laugh
Dont touch me there just laugh
W daniel
HAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHA
slapping my knee that one was HILARIOUS😭😭😂😂😂😅😅🤣🤣 farts and slaps belly
what am i doing with my life
Man you're such a gassy person 😅🫱
That's incredible
i want to send that ONE video but i’ll get banned
That one gif
genuinely what
idk anymore bro
i felt my brain fall apart reading that message😭
Niedźwiedź
@prime laurel i might new game after i get a G1 Daniel and Niedźwiedź
It's not worth it
I regret new gaming

Lies
G1 Daniel in the next 40 kills trust
Mimimimimi
Yo pookie
Look what i got
What abt the g1 adrian
i was confused on where its antlers was to realise its a musk deer and not a roe deer
Oh alright thx
Double U
20, 21, and 22
If my g1 mule deer is cinnamon stripes I think I will vomit on the spot
And delete the game
it's definitely not a good fur but it can be alright with the right rack
First time for everything I guess lmao. First great one I've ever messed up.
What's a g1 daniel
Fallow deer in polish is 'daniel'
Ahhh
Is there specific zones at these lakes or just all of them
full pic?
everyone w a cropped g1 folds after getting a “codex?” or “full pic?” message 💀💀😂
Did someone say red deer?
no
HI ZIONA
#49
Kills - 398
Rares - 2
- 22
Thinking about setting up reds on cuatro
reds at cuatro not bad but wolves can suck a bit te awaroa is best but cuatro not bad
I have relatively good luck when it comes to wolves they never really bother me with mules lol
on cuatro i have a video of wolves chasing my great one off
🤣
mule deer at askiy ridge do get effected by wolves depends on the time normally
Probably I'm just incredibly lucky haha
HI MAREK
Oh shucks!!
Please don't
Max Level #286 of the grind for a super rare
What
Fox grind?
Damn nice nice
I'm probably doing my grind on Salz
There's one lake in EC I don't wanna grind, so I'm totally abandoning that grind lol
Its a great red deer map
Ive never had issues with wolves they are pretty much never near water anymore after they changed how animals used to drink in the trees
I can't wait to try
Milk
Hi tak
15 more days
For?
And im no longer underaged flopper
But a based skibidi yogurt
Also Billy
@loud flame
@loud flame
What
You saw my new great one
Nope
Reaching unc status tak
Thanks billro
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Bro on skibidi
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Lmao
272 bottom estimate
Great player
guys it’s ok to ping me 😭🥀
it’s not good without red hartebeests
Or rock hyrax
you best believe if africa 2.0 comes out and theres no hartebeest i WILL be constantly complaining
Also I do it out of habit
So many people complain about pings I got tired of it