🦝︴off-topic

[obsidian bay]

https://tenor.com/view/disappear-ahmed-bit-playas-teleportation-gone-gif-21922479

-- Seamus, probably

[mossy badge]

Pine warbler i think

[amber wigeon]

Seamus knows an animal other then clams?

This has to be a glitch

[woven hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/steamroller-flattened-frogger-arcade-cartoon-gif-3947370806596607199

wtv bro

[amber wigeon]

Did you guys know the aesculapian snake is the most arboreal snake in europe

And the smallest snake in europe is the blind snake

[amber wigeon]

What the vietnamese mossy frog?

[crisp whale]

Yes

[crisp whale]

Son 😭

Where did this come from

[amber wigeon]

Bc it’s a v instead of a f

[crisp whale]

Wtv means whatever 😭

[amber wigeon]

Ohhhhhh

[crisp whale]

Wtf means something that I can’t say to a child or in this server😭😭

Baddog is grumpy now tho

[amber wigeon]

I’m going to earn my first snake bite this summer

[crisp whale]

Son

That’s not something you earn 😭

Don’t get bit

[amber wigeon]

I’m going looking for smooth snakes

And they do bite

I’ll try to avoid it by not grabbing it and just letting it sit in my hand

But it will probably still happen

Smooth snakes are crazy rare here

But more common in germany and france

So i’m going to take the opportunity

[crisp whale]

Ok ok

[amber wigeon]

Haters will say it’s a boring snake 🥹

But the competition is unfair

[rare veldt]

It looks cool

But then again, what snake is not cool?

[amber wigeon]

A dead snake

Those are sad

[woven hamlet]

all of them

[rare veldt]

Depends on the species and whether or not it’s going to be eaten

[rare veldt]

This is true

[amber wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-flightreacts-flight-reacts-disappointed-wtf-gif-9913249080334735589

You cant poke a snake and hate them when it responds ☹️

[crisp whale]

I’m sorry about him guys😭

[amber wigeon]

He is no longer invited for my birthday party

[crisp whale]

He’s grumpy for literally no reason

[amber wigeon]

He needs food

[crisp whale]

Literal man child

[crisp whale]

He’s already eaten prolly 2k calories

[mossy badge]

They're literally all cold blooded🙄

[amber wigeon]

He needs 4,5k more

[mossy badge]

How do you even count calories???? Do you do it molecule by molecule?

[amber wigeon]

You just need to kinda know

You consume about 12 per day

[crisp whale]

It’s literally not even noon here

[amber wigeon]

Fair

[crisp whale]

He’s just a grumpy jerk

[amber wigeon]

I’m staking out locations for aesculapian snake

[amber wigeon]

Am i about to have caused something bad 😭

[crisp whale]

Wym

[amber wigeon]

I started the snake talk and now he is grumpy

[crisp whale]

Oh no bud

He’s grumpy cuz I called him on the US slander

Absolutely not your fault

[amber wigeon]

We’re still friends phew ❤️‍🩹 (snakes are still goated animals tho)

It is really hard to find aesculapian snake habitat

[crisp whale]

Yeah

[amber wigeon]

It’s a really fragmented relic population as well

So the numbers aren’t the best

[woven hamlet]

im not grumpy

just mad at you

[crisp whale]

If you wanna fight you can get up and come do it in person instead of a discord server

Weirdo

[dusty socket]

i want to be the ref

[main trail]

Are we allowed to place bets on this match

Or is this a no gambling fight

[dusty socket]

well, someone would have to be the bookie

[main trail]

Happie got that

[amber wigeon]

No you guys we do not encourage fighting

Also it’s a pregnant woman against a walking wall of a man

Let’s just not do that 😭

[crisp whale]

Son

He just stormed out of the house and I opened my computer

He left the server😭

[main trail]

😭

[dusty socket]

one sided works out better for me.. I'll bet on the one everyone assumes would lose, then rule them the winter and take everyone's money

[crisp whale]

I meant like an argument not a fist fight 😭

[brazen scarab]

😭 🙏

[crisp whale]

Over under 3.5 hours till he rejoins

[amber wigeon]

Under by 20 mins

[crisp whale]

Yeah I’ll take the under

[scarlet wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/pornacore-pick-me-people-who-be-desperate-for-attention-gif-4428163485552835993

LOL

[crisp whale]

😭

He’s back 😭

[amber wigeon]

Can you guys pls make up i like talking to ya’ll 😔

[crisp whale]

I know you’re reading this I’ll take my apology in the form of a diamond necklace

[crisp whale]

😭

[amber wigeon]

Found a spot for snakes and it’s on the route

[crisp whale]

Nice

[amber wigeon]

Unfortunately it is a chopped forest area but habitat is habitat

[crisp whale]

Yep lol

[woven hamlet]

just for you son

[amber wigeon]

Thank you 🥹🥹

[woven hamlet]

why is my name brown now

[woven hamlet]

😭

[amber wigeon]

selected a different animal

That was a quick fix 😭

[crisp whale]

lol yeah

[crisp whale]

Tick tock

I’m waiting patiently

[past bison]

@obsidian bay we want to buy a new sofa and I’m being so proper I even ordered fabric samples from ikea so I can check what we like

Okay here are the contestants, my bf likes gunnared but I’m vibing maybe a bit more with hillared

I love having a near non shedding cat who doesn’t scratch furniture so that doesn’t need to factor in the choice of material

[obsidian bay]

Brilliant

[past bison]

It was free too

I got four free samples and i can order four every three months

[past bison]

Also the store lights are never like the lights at home

[obsidian bay]

Heck yeahhhh

[obsidian bay]

Oh no, never. Unless you buy your lights from the store

[past bison]

Yep

[past bison]

Also we have hue so they’re just about any color we like

And we keep them warm white

[brazen scarab]

My cat bites plastic plants and scratches the sht out of the carpeted stairs BUT leaves the leather recliners alone

[past bison]

This the sofa we want in both colors

I’m waiting for mr toxy to wake up so I can bully him about sofa fabrics

[obsidian bay]

I like the swatch for gunnar, but the couch be lookin pale in the picture

[past bison]

We walked around ikea on sunday and ended up both liking that one

[brazen scarab]

I’m taking my cat to the vet for the first time today

[obsidian bay]

Is kitty okay??

[amber wigeon]

Depressed looking cat

[past bison]

It’s like a very light beige, the sofa was in that color in the store and didn’t look bad tbh

[crisp whale]

Can’t tell if it’s just a reflection or if they’re painted but I wish my nails looked like this

[brazen scarab]

Yeah just tryna get a routine set up for her

First time cat owner i think she’s doing ok

[past bison]

They are painted and very chipped bc I painted them like a week ago xD

[crisp whale]

Well they’re gorgeous 😭

[obsidian bay]

My concern is life happens and any pale looking couch is gonna show any amount of stain

[obsidian bay]

But also it looked better with the swatches against all the house stuff

[past bison]

True but also we have a textile cleaner

[plain kelp]

Indoraptor and scorp

[obsidian bay]

Ooh excellent

[past bison]

The vacuum thing that also like wets the fabric

[obsidian bay]

Nice, good plan

[obsidian bay]

Yes haha

[past bison]

I am pro at explaining things

[obsidian bay]

"A bissel"

[past bison]

Cannot believe you’re taking my bfs side with this I’m gonna cry myself to sleep

[woven hamlet]

not that you asked me but the pale couch and the fabrics is scrathing my synthesia

[obsidian bay]

It's like the ONE time

[past bison]

But you might be righy tbh

[past bison]

Lmaoo love that for you xD

Also the carpet might not be that one we have light beige too bc this one looked better in the store lmao

So we might swap to one that would go even better with the gunnared

[obsidian bay]

Fair enough

[past bison]

Rn we have a dark grey sofa and I hate it

It’s so boring

And it has like a long part on one side that takes so much space for no reason

[woven hamlet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1360109419328966706/1504546505619673088/L-67-Y.png?ex=6a0761a0&is=6a061020&hm=55a157f0c3ba90bd7570436cecf625f19ea25b5869b89aa16b235b60c2482b1b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1834&height=1834

[amber wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/yuji-stare-yuji-itadori-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-yuji-stare-meme-gif-2566228405341525362

[woven hamlet]

you dont like it?

[amber wigeon]

I don’t think anybody does 😭

[woven hamlet]

bros got no vision

[crisp whale]

@marsh prawn

[hazy ember]

does anyone here know abt lures when fishing

i know a good bit just not abt these

[crisp whale]

@woven hamlet might

He fishes a lot

[mossy badge]

Aren't yall in a state with no lakes?😭

[crisp whale]

Son

No

We’re in one of the wettest states in the US😭😭

[mossy badge]

Arizona?

[crisp whale]

I can’t tell if you’re trolling or if your brain is giving in from malnourishment

[amber wigeon]

Think his brain is feeding off of itself, only organic matter left on that man

[crisp whale]

Son😭

[mossy badge]

A perplexing quandary

[crisp whale]

Bros organs eating his brain to maintain vital functions

[brazen scarab]

elite ball knowledge

[amber wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968

[crisp whale]

😭😭

One of my eastern diamond backs is dying guys

Just went down there to make my rounds and he’s all twisted up

Gonna have to have him put down 😔

[past bison]

I had a battle of wills with Nami and WON

[crisp whale]

@obsidian bay should I get a non-venomous snake now?

[past bison]

She wanted kibbles I wanted her to eat her wet food like a good cat

She was a menace for an hour and mad at me but now she ate

[crisp whale]

Yayyy

[manic inlet]

hognose

[crisp whale]

Boring

[manic inlet]

no, cute

[crisp whale]

Ig

I actually don’t know if I’m ready to replace him😭

[manic inlet]

then dont

mourn the boi first

[crisp whale]

I don’t like being sad tho😭

Should get turtles so they outlive me

[manic inlet]

reptiles can also exhibit grief and depression so wouldnt that just be swapping the sadness onto the animal

[obsidian bay]

Blood python, go!

Fat babies with grouchitude

[crisp whale]

Reptiles don’t experience grief in near the same fashion mammals do

Especially human mammals

But you’re right

[crisp whale]

I thought about this

[manic inlet]

they can have PTSD tho

poor alligator

[crisp whale]

Gotta get Baddog on board tho

[craggy plaza]

Yeah what honse said

[crisp whale]

🤨

Wut

[manic inlet]

there was an alligator in the Berlin Zoo that the russians appropriated after surrender

they stuck his ass in the Moscow Zoo

life was pretty comfy for him actually

but they had to reroute the V-day parade because the sound of tanks and motorcades gave him panic attacks

[craggy plaza]

Aww😭

Also garden update

[manic inlet]

dope

[obsidian bay]

No anti v needed if bloods bite, that's already major favor imo haha

So like, all he'd need is some wound cleaning and maybe a bandaid

[manic inlet]

ah so theyre like hoggies and bullsnakes

and really every nonvenomous snake

you can just look at them with disappointment

and shame them into letting go

[obsidian bay]

Well

They're big

So idk about shame

[twilit forum]

Hognose 😩sweet babies

[manic inlet]

shame is strong

[manic inlet]

superior nope rope

[twilit forum]

No some are absolutely just rebellious little heathens and will bite to spite you

While making eye contact

Like a cat

[manic inlet]

look upon its glory

[twilit forum]

They do their best

Such sweeties

[manic inlet]

theyre so derpy

they either look calculating or have no thoughts behind their damn eyes

no reasoning

just nom

[white quail]

Is that a weed? 😭

[twilit forum]

Cuz they can that’s why

Person who’s never seen a plant before

I’m crying

I’m calling the police

[white quail]

Idk, it just looks like a tall weed.

Now then again, I'm not very much so a plant guy

[craggy plaza]

Goofy Lil bois

[white quail]

I do a lot of weed wacking so whatever just so happens to come into my path is a weed

[craggy plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/itchy-nose-snake-hognose-blanket-gif-11127955664354561390

[manic inlet]

bro tryna burrow vigorously

[craggy plaza]

Naw just getting a good scratches on his nos

[white quail]

I forgot they burrow lol

[manic inlet]

entire reason they have a shovel shaped head lol

[manic inlet]

lmao

[hazy ember]

do u fish?

[dusty socket]

weird thing about reptiles is their ability to properly think and process information seems dependent on their internal body temperatures. So, a nice, warm reptile will recognize it's owner, but if they're cold, it'll take them a much longer time to remember who you are

[craggy plaza]

Temperature based dementia

The temp is their iq

[dusty socket]

basically... but it's not that different in mammals.. if you see someone who has a low body temperature.. they have a hard time understanding where they are, or what's going on.. same with people that have really high fevers

we just maintain the ideal temperature better

[white quail]

Ye all the time

[hazy ember]

do u know stuff abt lures

[twilit forum]

It kinda does, if you’re not familiar, to be fair haha it helps to take a look at where it is too
Most of those are evenly spaced out and such, someone’s showing them off, etc
There’s a couple potential weeds there but most in the photos are actual garden plants. I believe I see squash and tomatoes lol

[dusty socket]

i learned that from people who keep venomous snakes as pets.. if the snake is warm, it'll recognize it's handler, remember that it trusts them, and be easier to deal with.. when they're cold, their mind gets foggy, and they get defensive as a default

[white quail]

Yep

[twilit forum]

Most relatable thing ever

[dusty socket]

i should get a pet reptile again

[white quail]

You need help choosing lures or sum?

[crisp whale]

Technically all animals do this to an extent

[west bronze]

So real

[past bison]

Me too tbh

[west bronze]

If it moves it gets a couple full throttle sweeps

[crisp whale]

Everything with a brain has an optimal operating temperature

[past bison]

If I’m too cold or too hot I will be mad at everything

[crisp whale]

@woven hamlet can testify that if I’m chilly I suck to be around

[west bronze]

Cold: just leave me alone
Hot: also leave me alone but angry lol

[white quail]

Man I had a FIELD DAY last week on Friday at the campground I work at. It's 87⁰f, and there is about a 50 yard long strip of weeds. Twas fun.

[west bronze]

I bet that was so satisfying

I prefer weedeating over mowing

[past bison]

Boring af my bf been snoozing since 5pm lmao

It’s now 10pm

But he worked three night shifts in a row so he gets to have snoozies

[dusty socket]

a few days ago it was below freezing here.. still cold

[crisp whale]

Let that boy rest

3 night shifts in a row is personal hell

[obsidian bay]

Yeah, but also... they're just dbags in the shape of a very fat tube

(Sorry for slow, def not making 10pm pancakes and bacon)

[fleet pollen]

is it worth it?

[manic inlet]

lol

[dusty socket]

nah, you can get ass scratchers much cheaper than that

[hazy ember]

no i found these in my old tackle box from when i was like 9 im 17 now so idk if there still good

[white quail]

There was this big tall weed about 2 foot tall, it felt like I was collapsing a whole dang tree.

[west bronze]

Those are the best

[white quail]

Yeah those will still work

[hazy ember]

which are the worst one out of them

[white quail]

Probably shoulda worn eye protection tho cause I got chunks of it in my eye but it's aight

[west bronze]

As long as they’re weren’t exposed to extreme and prolonged heat they will be fine

[white quail]

The one with the green fluffy tail

[hazy ember]

ok

[west bronze]

Had a whole bag of bubblegums I had to throw away because of that

[hazy ember]

i figured that

[west bronze]

Now I just make my own 👍

[dusty socket]

what sort of fish do you want to catch?

for general usage lures.. you can't really go wrong with texas rigged soft lures

like this

don't need to worry about weeds so much with those either

[woven hamlet]

what the hell is that tyk

[dusty socket]

something that needs a diet

[manic inlet]

CHUNK

[dusty socket]

it's one big cankle

i might get a snake if I lived in a different state

[woven hamlet]

what is this beast 😭

[hazy ember]

i use these worms

[dusty socket]

the issue with a lot of pet snakes is people underestimate how much space they need, they get too big, and they end up releasing them. Also they can be escape artists.. which is why I find it weird it's more likely domestic animals are banned than exotic, potentially invasive ones

[hazy ember]

rn im using a whopper plopper my favorite lure

[dusty socket]

it depends a lot on what you want to catch.. if you want a pike, go spoons

this to a pike is like cake to rosie odonnel.. they can't resist

[crisp whale]

Beautiful

[obsidian bay]

Blood python

[dusty socket]

if i got a constricting snake.. it would either be an emerald tree boa.. or green tree python

[hazy ember]

i dont think they have pike where i live

[obsidian bay]

Blood pythons are quite literally built thick, naturally.
Yes many breeders over feed - but they are innately a thick snake

[dusty socket]

where do you live?

[hazy ember]

louisiana

[dusty socket]

this is a gorgeous snake

yeah, louisianna isn't going to have pike, closest thing might be gar

[woven hamlet]

twins

[hazy ember]

w

[hazy ember]

i figured that

ive caught a gar

it wasnt a good one

i think it was 12 pounds

[amber wigeon]

Louisiana doesn’t have pickerel?

[obsidian bay]

Aren't they just?
I will always advocate for people who've had snake xp to try them out

[dusty socket]

they probably have pickerel

i like dill on fish.. would be interesting to have a dill pickerel

could get these in louisianna

if i was in a place that let me keep domestic animals as pets, and I wanted a snake, I'd probably get a copperhead

[amber wigeon]

I love these

They are built like a bratwurst and they know it

[obsidian bay]

YES

I want one as my next, if we cant get a good ball python

[amber wigeon]

I would love to find one in the wild

[dusty socket]

if those emerald tree boas weren't nuts on pricing i'd get one of those easy

put it in a nice tall tropical vivarium

[amber wigeon]

Emerald tree boas are especially beautiful as hatchlings

Bright yellow

[dusty socket]

and they seem to be very easy to handle too

[mossy badge]

I have chain pickeral here in Tx

[obsidian bay]

honestly, been struck at/bitten by more ETBs than GTPs

[dusty socket]

aren't ETBs more likely to be wild caught though?

[obsidian bay]

most often

[amber wigeon]

What are these letters short for 😭

[obsidian bay]

but even the captive bred few I've run across are just more bitey

Emerald Tree Boas or Green Tree Pythons

[amber wigeon]

Ohhh

[crisp whale]

All snakes are beautiful but like that is just beyond gorgeous

[dusty socket]

still not as bad as when someone's pet pit viper gets bitey

[obsidian bay]

You should see the colors/patterns that people have bred them into

[crisp whale]

Gabino might be my next snake😭

[crisp whale]

This reminded me

[amber wigeon]

B but you said non venomous

[dusty socket]

i need to move to an area with more space before I get anything too large.. although, I was wanting to build a structure over top of my PC, and one over top of my bed to use the space above for things

even if I used those spaces for bulk storage of other items it'd free up space in other parts of my room.. like this 36" long black table to my right

[crisp whale]

Did I?

[amber wigeon]

I thought so but you only asked tyk

[woven hamlet]

son

im moving out

[crisp whale]

The blood python isn’t even danger tho

[amber wigeon]

Just stay away from the basement

[crisp whale]

The blood would prolly go in our bedroom

Or maybe in the living room

[amber wigeon]

RIP baddog

[obsidian bay]

like at all! esp if you get as baby.

People say they're vile - and I will admit they're grouchy, but they can be as docile as ball pythons with the time and effort

[crisp whale]

I’ve never really had a blood be mean to me

[obsidian bay]

Only time I've seen a 'mean' one, was one that was unhandled af.

so like.. reasonable imo

[amber wigeon]

Every time i see blood something bad has happened

☹️

[crisp whale]

Every retic I’ve ever held is evil

Or every retic I’ve ever helped hold

I’m not really big enough to do it alone

[amber wigeon]

You’d need to be gigantic to handle anything over 8 feet by yourself

[woven hamlet]

ive handled small retics on my own

and i hated it

and i didnt wanna do it

[crisp whale]

I would call that an ultra small retic

[amber wigeon]

Meanest reptile i have ever handled was a worm lizard

I was free handling and it still tried to bite

A lot

It’s not like a little pressure either

They are built like a dang croc monitor

[crisp whale]

For me it’s prolly a saltwater

[amber wigeon]

not surprised

Meanest reptile… chickens

[obsidian bay]

really anything over 6 feet can be a threat to the avg person

I was holding my coworkers super docile redtail, Lasciel - and he was SO sweet.
But Also was almost 7 feet long and I was struggling to use my arms. Lasc was not aggressively constricting - but I could not fight my arm free once he got it gripped

[amber wigeon]

Luckily i am over 6 foot so i can still wrestle before i die

[woven hamlet]

bro is like 120 lbs tho

[obsidian bay]

lUcKiLy I aM oVeR 6 fOoT

[amber wigeon]

170

[woven hamlet]

im 6'6

[amber wigeon]

IT WAS 5 BEFORE

[woven hamlet]

and im 100 percent sure a 7 foot snake could kill me

[amber wigeon]

Baddog grew an inch 😔

[woven hamlet]

i went the the dr today and they said 6'6

[amber wigeon]

Big guy

[woven hamlet]

im actually dying 😭

[woven hamlet]

im crying 😭

[obsidian bay]

nah uh, you'll be a-okay, Spartacus!

[amber wigeon]

☹️

Tyk how tall are you

[crisp whale]

Baddog vs the green anaconda

Tn at 5

You got 48 minutes son

[amber wigeon]

“6’6 (actually 5’11) man pulled out of green anaconda”

[woven hamlet]

bro

[dusty socket]

why'd he do that?.. never pull out

[woven hamlet]

i could literally bend you like a plastic straw

[amber wigeon]

Ok buddy

[woven hamlet]

son

[amber wigeon]

I know i’m jealous 😭

[lyric furnace]

Paris

[amber wigeon]

Nice

[crisp whale]

Ban him

[obsidian bay]

5'4 3/4"

[crisp whale]

Tall ahh human

[amber wigeon]

That’s pretty average

[obsidian bay]

tallest ever

taller than happie

[lyric furnace]

Sorry for the late reply got a bit busy lol

[dusty socket]

depends.. if tyk is female, then that's average, sure

[amber wigeon]

Sorry guys my mom is 178 centimeters

[obsidian bay]

ALSO LOOK AT THIS DARK MORPH I FOUND

[amber wigeon]

No worries lol

[craggy plaza]

Bruh gar are wayy more fun to fight

[amber wigeon]

THE EYES

[dusty socket]

all three of the other males in my immediate family were 5'7-5'9, I ended up 6'

[obsidian bay]

that fatheaded lil baby is like

https://tenor.com/view/drooling-black-cat-drooling-gif-1128865733628000229

[amber wigeon]

ITS LIKE THE CAT GIF YOU KEEP SENDING

😭😭😭😭

[dusty socket]

i don't know about that.. pike up north get huge, and they fight hard.. especially if you upgrade to the muskie

[amber wigeon]

Get out of my head 😭

[craggy plaza]

Cookie hehe- first and only thought-cat

[dusty socket]

what I don't like about pike though.. some actually tried biting my fingers

[obsidian bay]

These are the parents -

[crisp whale]

He is gorgeous tho

[amber wigeon]

Wow

[dusty socket]

i can see why some people like bass fishing casually, they're easy to handle, easy to unhook

[amber wigeon]

I need those

[crisp whale]

Maybe it’s just me but I do not like the way pythons heads are shaped

[dusty socket]

you prefer the arrowhead shape of boas?

[craggy plaza]

Gar can get OVER 400lbs

[obsidian bay]

its a fair thing - not everyone loves the things

[crisp whale]

The best serpent head shape is that of Naja

[dusty socket]

alligator gar, sure

[craggy plaza]

Fight like hell and are essentially living dinos

[obsidian bay]

I just like their derpy faces

[dusty socket]

but not all gar is alligator gar

[crisp whale]

Derp cobras are the best😭

[amber wigeon]

Calabar python disagrees

[crisp whale]

I love the eyes but they’re heads are a weird shape to me

[obsidian bay]

I far prefer ball python heads, with their little headpudges

[craggy plaza]

Most gar are decent sized

[obsidian bay]

I miss my boyo :C

[dusty socket]

this is the gar you're usually going to catch fishing, since you probably won't have the equipment for alligator gar

[amber wigeon]

I’d love to catch any gar

Seen spotted gar and longnose

[craggy plaza]

They hella fun

[amber wigeon]

But i live in europe 😭

[woven hamlet]

the options for the replacement of my poor baby eastern diamond are

none

[craggy plaza]

But by god dont exist near the mouth😭

[woven hamlet]

we're getting a dog

[dusty socket]

i'm sure there's something similar ot gar in Europe

[craggy plaza]

I learnedthe hard way

[obsidian bay]

-# blue bay shepherd when

-# they're from FL

[lyric furnace]

I mean, there is pike

[crisp whale]

Gabino
Imperator
Blood
Hognose

[amber wigeon]

HOGNOSE

[craggy plaza]

Lets just say 17 punctures in my hand and alotta blood💀

[amber wigeon]

blood is also goated tho….

[amber wigeon]

Toothy

Just be a chill sucker like these guys

[craggy plaza]

Also they don't freaking let go😭

Pure embodiment fock around and find out😭

[obsidian bay]

after watching the sturgeon suck the mermaids head into his mouth while she was performing a show for audience at the aquarium

I have concerns about them

[craggy plaza]

Who did the fish go to when they were sick?

The sturgeon

[amber wigeon]

That was a beluga tho

[craggy plaza]

They also thrash

[amber wigeon]

Largest actively hunting freshwater fish

They rival great whites for biggest overall predatory fish

[obsidian bay]

https://youtube.com/shorts/eii6CB75LFs?si=L7xHkhBvEbNL5aqT

[amber wigeon]

Mine is a white sturgeon

They just suck up dirt

[obsidian bay]

They still gonna FWOMP you

[craggy plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cheeseburger-burger-cheezburger-om-gom-gif-4210864688339297352

[obsidian bay]

whats that one gif

[amber wigeon]

If you look at the angle of a beluga sturgeons mouth it is much more forward then the other species

Beluga and kaluga are in the hugo genus tho

[obsidian bay]

of the guy in the diner running back and snatching up the food from the guys hand

[craggy plaza]

Wait

[obsidian bay]

and just SHHASHAFAHSHA chewing it

[amber wigeon]

Most of the rest in the acispenser genus

[craggy plaza]

Lemme summon it

[amber wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-eat-eating-food-monster-h-reginald-gif-2362901127389079325

[craggy plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-eat-eating-food-monster-h-reginald-gif-2362901127389079325

[obsidian bay]

lmao

what movie was this

[craggy plaza]

FOCK

Monster house

[amber wigeon]

Monster house

[craggy plaza]

HA

[obsidian bay]

thank you

[amber wigeon]

Hehe

[obsidian bay]

(both)

but yes

that guy

human sturgeon

[craggy plaza]

Did you mean, "human surgeon" Google prob

[amber wigeon]

But sturgeons are cool

Very ancient

[obsidian bay]

Not saying they arent

[amber wigeon]

Very very strong

[obsidian bay]

They just make me apprehensive

they get so big

[manic inlet]

they grow slow as hell too

[amber wigeon]

I know i was just saying “but anyways sturgeon are cool”

😭

[manic inlet]

like 20 to 30 years to reach mature size and actually mate

which is why the roe trade about drove them extinct

[craggy plaza]

@obsidian bay wild work on the creators part

Horrifying

[obsidian bay]

fr

[manic inlet]

and yes I will continually blame the richer parts of the Atlantic Seaboard of the US and the entirety of continental Europe for this

because they drove their native sturgeons extinct or nearly extinct then came out west and screwed with our fish

as if we didnt screw with them enough already

[amber wigeon]

Only place the european sturgeon still naturally reproduces is a single creek in france btw

[craggy plaza]

Ik people need to stop

[manic inlet]

former range of the entire continent + the British Isles right?

[amber wigeon]

Yup

[manic inlet]

good god

[amber wigeon]

But reintroduction is slowy but surely taking shape

All bc nobody thought that you needed to kill them for eggs btw…. How did nobody think to harvest the eggs like how they do it with salmon

[craggy plaza]

@obsidian bay also I regret to inform you but despite my best efforts something broke in, racoon def, and broke 2 turkey eggs and took the rest😭

[amber wigeon]

Nooooo

[craggy plaza]

They were almost fully formed😭

I feel so bad

[manic inlet]

there's plans to drop some in the basin of the river Elbe

[manic inlet]

lazyness happie

its faster to just gut the poor fish

[amber wigeon]

Luckily sturgeons have quite a lot of babies

[manic inlet]

that is their one saving grace

[craggy plaza]

All for a mid ass rich people food😑

[amber wigeon]

Yup

[manic inlet]

something crazy like 100,000 eggs per female right?

[amber wigeon]

Might as well make saltwater boba

[craggy plaza]

Yeah but only 4-8 reach adulthood

[manic inlet]

yknow what the triply worst part of the caviar trade is?

[amber wigeon]

In the wild tho

[manic inlet]

European wealthmen drove their own fish basically extinct right

[amber wigeon]

Not sure

[craggy plaza]

Then came over here

[manic inlet]

then they paid people to drive american and canadian pops into the toilet

and THEN

CAUSE THERES A THIRD SECTION TO THIS

THE AMERICAN PADDLEFISH

was used as a SUBSTTITUTE FOR THESE GREEDY BASTARDS AND THEIR CRAVINGS

[craggy plaza]

Don't get me started

[manic inlet]

and also almost went extinct

thankfully it reproduces and matures much faster so its recovery is significantly better

[craggy plaza]

But is weak to dams

[amber wigeon]

Atp

Explode the dams 😭

We’ve seen how it can recover salmon populations

[craggy plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/flood-pipe-gif-20209978

[manic inlet]

dams themselves are dumb as hell

do it the way scotland does

[woven hamlet]

caviar?

[manic inlet]

no huge dumbass concrete blocks

just semi buried turbines in the water column

get whatever hydro out of it and not annihilate whole ecosystems

[manic inlet]

yes

5 species of sturgeon + a paddelfish driven to near extinction in 80 years

[lyric furnace]

Or build like the fish ramps or whatever they are called

[woven hamlet]

son for a second i thought this was replying to me

😭

[woven hamlet]

that junk is so nasty

[manic inlet]

that can also work but the among of land loss and excess water loss from evaporation as well as downright death of river ecosystems downstream even in modified dams makes me consider full sized or any kind of complete dam a massive waste of materials and space

in fact the Hoover and several other are major contributors to the ongoing death of the Colorado River

which no longer reaches San Juan bay

it runs dry in the desert 5 miles from the coast

oh sorry

not 5

the entire lower 100

that is also worsened by morons in Arizona growing rice and alfalfa

[craggy plaza]

@manic inlet

[manic inlet]

feeding the antlions

[craggy plaza]

Yep

[woven hamlet]

what is that 😭

[craggy plaza]

Favorite part of the year

[woven hamlet]

what is in the dirt and does it come in human size 😭

[manic inlet]

so you know what damselflies are right?

thats their larval stage

[craggy plaza]

Basically the irl sarlack pit

[manic inlet]

absolute gremlin of a child that ambushes things via sarlack pit

[craggy plaza]

Ayy

Its so cool feeding them

Rip to the ants tho💀

Sacrifice im willing to make

[amber wigeon]

No not damselflies

[craggy plaza]

They will also drag their PARALYZED prey under ground

[amber wigeon]

Damselflies have aquatic larvae

[craggy plaza]

Dam selfies

[amber wigeon]

Antlion adults are just called antlion

[craggy plaza]

May fly

[amber wigeon]

Related to owlflies and mantidflies

[craggy plaza]

Well obviously a owlflies

[amber wigeon]

And the absolute flying terrors known as dobsonflies

They look like a wasp damselfly hybrid

Note the antennae

And wing resting position is different

[woven hamlet]

i hate it

[amber wigeon]

Damselflies hold them folded together above the abdomen

Antlions cover the abdomen

[amber wigeon]

They are a little freaky

[craggy plaza]

Soo many to feed

[amber wigeon]

I’ve found a giant species in spain

Like a 5 inch wingspan

[craggy plaza]

5 inches is HUGE

💀

🤣

[manic inlet]

oh yeah this is the one i meant

[amber wigeon]

May flies have aquatic larvae too

[craggy plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/what-you-sure-you-sure-about-that-dog-watching-gif-26139783

Wait

Damn he's right

[fleet pollen]

yep

[woven hamlet]

good grief

[craggy plaza]

Well shite

[amber wigeon]

Don’t be sad over a mistake be happy you learned something

[craggy plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-stfu-shut-your-mouth-slap-slapping-gif-8050553153066707611

[amber cosmos]

yo

[woven hamlet]

if someone said this to me i might literally slap them

[amber wigeon]

I know it’s peak ragebait

[woven hamlet]

im mad at my dr

cuz he said im too big

[craggy plaza]

@manic inlet antlions are done feeding

One just threw the husk lol

[manic inlet]

lmao

[plain kelp]

WHAT

[craggy plaza]

@manic inlet who's that catapillar?

[amber wigeon]

A very venomous one by the looks of it

[craggy plaza]

"Yoinks it violently"

Dies

[amber wigeon]

It’s a buck moth caterpillar

The moths are actually kinda pretty

[serene radish]

Hog?

[amber wigeon]

Guy named atlas pro made a very good video about a related and endangered species

[amber wigeon]

Bog bean buck moth

Quite the name

[manic inlet]

its hairy and therefore prolly dangerous

no idea the variety but it prolly hurts so

[amber wigeon]

Not even hairy just straight up torturous spines 😭

[craggy plaza]

Operation save the neighbors roses is working

[serene radish]

If not friend why friend shaped

[craggy plaza]

Ive been caring for them for about a month and they just put out roses for the 1st time in 2 years

[serene radish]

I genuinely can't stand moths though they wait by my door when its dark and the second I open it they all fly in

[amber wigeon]

I like big moths

Hawk moths and stuff

Biggest species in europe is absolutely insane

[manic inlet]

damn, you right tho

[amber wigeon]

Saturnia pyri

[craggy plaza]

And i cannot lie

[amber wigeon]

Giant peacock moth

[serene radish]

Hawk moth sounds like a moth that would be named for killing other moths

[amber wigeon]

They are just built for speed and hovering like a hawk

Very short sharp wings

More like a falcon tbh

[serene radish]

That's kinda terrifying

But cool

[amber wigeon]

I’m blessed with animal nerdiness 😌

[serene radish]

My specialty is dinosaurs and native species here

Otherwise I know nuthin

[amber wigeon]

A species of toad only found in a county in california

[amber wigeon]

See you know something

[manic inlet]

bro had that on lock

[serene radish]

I said native species here

[serene radish]

It was like one scroll down in my gallery lol

[amber wigeon]

Only species of tortoise in california?

[craggy plaza]

That's my garden loadout

[manic inlet]

lmao

[serene radish]

Cali desert tortoise

[amber wigeon]

Mojave tortoise

[serene radish]

My brain kept jumping to the scientific name

[amber wigeon]

Almost had it

[craggy plaza]

However

I did notice smething

This one has a disease or blight

[amber wigeon]

Noooo it’s critically endangered 😭

[serene radish]

Yk thats its other name

The Mojave tortoise is its most known name

[amber wigeon]

Fair

Tortoise are cool

[serene radish]

Indeed

[dusty socket]

surprised nobody has bred shelless tortoises yet

[west bronze]

that sounds cursed

[craggy plaza]

Do NOT translate, a seal pushed me, into french😭😭😭

[craggy plaza]

@obsidian bay @past bison eepy babys💓

[lavish marsh]

I have not been up this late for YEARS I'm back in my youth baby

[manic inlet]

aint it like 3 am for you rn

[lavish marsh]

5

I'm supposed to go to sleep in this It's too bright

[main trail]

Is that an electric guitar🤔

I think so

[lavish marsh]

My beloved

[main trail]

I want one🥹

[lavish marsh]

Get one 😎

[main trail]

I love electric guitars

[main trail]

Yeah but ima about to be like 50k in debt after college😭

[marsh prawn]

@manic inlet i completed the list for the national park

Im making more next

[main trail]

I need to save up to pay it off

[lavish marsh]

Make it 51k BUT WITH AN ELECTRIC GUITAR

[main trail]

U so right

[lavish marsh]

🔥

[manic inlet]

hell yeah

[marsh prawn]

I already got ideas for the lore

[manic inlet]

hell yeah

[mossy badge]

Baden fist fights a deer and loses because a rabbit distracts them

[marsh prawn]

I guess bro

[crisp whale]

Hi goober

[crisp whale]

😭please stop doing this thing Seamus

You’re already a weirdo

[crisp whale]

No

Don’t use my little pony to make me feel guilty

[manic inlet]

too late, he already did it

[woven hamlet]

he did a good job too cuz i can hear her crying 😭

[woven hamlet]

he would do it again too

[past bison]

Sleep mask from normal trusttt

It’s satin and it covers half of your face

That’s how I slept before we got a good curtain

[mossy badge]

Sleep mask and white noise

Or replace the curtains with cloth blinds

Or just add the blinds under the curtain

I used to have some until I moved. Best things ever

[lyric furnace]

Black out curtains would help

You can buy them from like Walmart for cheap

[dusty socket]

i bought me one of these off ebay and restored it

the reason I got this model was it still used the full length singular self lubricating bearing system that uses an internal worm gear to pump the lubricant throughout, but switched to a capacitor motor and wider blades so it's quieter, and runs on less power. Result is an indestructible forever-lasting desk fan that is quiet, while pushing more air at less power consumption than modern ones

it was hard to resist not getting one of these older models

anyway.. did this project when my modern one died and I didn't want to throw more money at another pile of e-waste

[past bison]

OMG

HEDGEHOG

@obsidian bay @rare veldt

[rare veldt]

Bro you just be finding all the Pokémon🤣

[past bison]

Ofc

[obsidian bay]

Scrungly Lil mans

[past bison]

I love himm

[obsidian bay]

He needs some bugs

[serene radish]

Oh my goodness its precious

[manic inlet]

So i crunched some numbers

and determined that after removing the 150,000 ish elk Canada has to determine the US only population

that is 1.05 million animals

so Colorado's 339,000 is 32.28% of the entire US population

for mule deer the US population is just shy of 2.3 million

[serene radish]

Hoarding them all

[manic inlet]

with 408,000 mule deer this means CO has 17.7% of the US mule deer population by itself

but there's more

i went into the charts themselves to look at which herds gained what

mule deer was rather evenly distributed

but holy hell

elk had a good few stay stable

quite a lot gain 500 to 1000 animals

a handful with 1000 to 3000 gained

a smidge lose 500 to 1000 but fully offset by the above

and then there's three herds in particular

[serene radish]

Our mule deer population has been dropping a bit due to forest fires and the ever increasing cities

Those fires from last year really didn't help them.

[manic inlet]

poor deers

[manic inlet]

oh these three elk herds

um buckle the hell in cause this is crazy

Disappointment Creek, White River, and San Juan

WILD jumps

[serene radish]

Same issue as the pumas here atp but hopefully they both get to bounce back

But Colorado pretty much having almost 18% of the US mule deer population is wild

[manic inlet]

Disappointment Creek's elk herd went from 24,350 animals in 2024 to 30,320 in 2025

[serene radish]

At least they are seeming to bounce back so its still really good news

[manic inlet]

White River had a simialr jump but its more absurd

36,000 to 42,000

in a single year

meaning that by itself

the White River Herd

is half of Arizona's entire elk population

[serene radish]

Jeez.

Yk I always tend to forget Arizona has elk

[manic inlet]

and then the largest jump proportionally as well as by numbers goes to the San Juan Herd

do you want to take a guess

as to the fantastical bullcrap

that are these numbers

[serene radish]

With the numbers they've been at i couldn't even guess

Could be anywhere

[manic inlet]

it was a 50% jump in a single year

from 21,000 animals in 2024 to 31,000 in 2025

meaning it was

a third

of all growth in 2024-25

for the whole state's elk pop

[serene radish]

They got their priorities in line lol

[manic inlet]

the pronghorn didnt have a massive explosion they just absorbed the hunting season and stayed at 70k

which is good

weve spent decades fighting vehicle collisions and fencing so stable is good

[serene radish]

Better than nothing

[manic inlet]

used to be 95k around 2013 but it has shrank due to fencing of open land, highway constructing, and habitat fragmentation on the prairie from new rural home developments

if we did something like say Alberta

and required modified fencing in pronghorn habitat

uh

theyd explode

like hands down

like within 5 years the population would easily double due to increased mobility

moreso with the wildlife crossings on the major highways

i will say I have the most beef with the suburban/housing developments on the prairie

the ranchers and farmers at least have a reason to put fences around their stuff

like all of the land tract

mfs who drop half million dollar cracker box homes on the grasslands dont

[manic inlet]

for context this is modifying them to not be woven wire where possible and have the bottom wire be 18 to 20 inches off the ground

[serene radish]

Dont blame you there really most of them tend to be how do i put this nicely. a little stubborn and dense

[manic inlet]

and be smooth wire

[manic inlet]

yes

thats

yeah thats all i can come up with that isnt rude too

also I will say

[serene radish]

But hopefully things get better and pronghorn get that same opportunity to bounce back like the elk

[manic inlet]

its gonna be hilarious in like 3 to 8 years

[serene radish]

All in due time

[manic inlet]

when elk start filtering out in big numbers onto the prairie

and absolutely obliterate those development fences

cause elk are elk

theres nothing that prevents them from walking through the fence

the barrier is a suggestion to them

[manic inlet]

fingers crossed; may or may not have a compulsive hyperfixation to bother CPW about implementing something like that

or idk, lobby state congress

oh and Montana's elk arent in shambles anymore it seems

first time in like a decade with 10%+ calf recruitment and a halfway decent cow/calf ratio

jumped from 143,000 to 157,000 2024 to 2025

[serene radish]

Funny thing the dairy i work at we have a bull pen that mule deer often jump into or break into to nibble on the feed, its even worse when the elk do it.

[manic inlet]

i literally have watched a bull elk look at a barbed wire fence

and just

be inconvenienced by it at most

cause you see it had been raised to 7 ft to prevent it being jumped easily

this big old bastard 6x6 mistwalked through it

the same way you do those bead things you can hang in a doorway

he did not care

[serene radish]

Yeah it's crazy to see how strong they are

[manic inlet]

he wanted food and it was in his way

[serene radish]

Casually ripping a fence like its nothing

[manic inlet]

and bison literally dont even treat it as a suggestion

ive seen videos from up in montana where they dont even pause to recognize it like elk and moose do

they just walk through it without care

[serene radish]

Im glad I dont deal with bison.

Yall got it more rough lol

[manic inlet]

ecologically theyre very important

but im torn

cause like

if we had

tens of thousands of them everywhere

well to start with good luck getting the ranchers onboard

but besides them

the amount of rural highways thatd be randomly inaccessible

because 97,000 lbs of wild floof cows

are just using it was a sunbathing spot

[serene radish]

This reminded me

[manic inlet]

also we maybe possible reoponed the door to reintroducing them in CO since theyre no longer livestock in this state

[serene radish]

Ive been seeing alot of videos of people trying to take selfies with bison and I just facepalm everytime

[manic inlet]

ah yes

sedan sized animal with the temperament of a tannerite charge

great idea

[serene radish]

The whole mentally of herbivores being cute and cuddly

[manic inlet]

mfs do the same with moose

which is worse

cause the gigadeer is on its own plain of anger

you gotta at least convince the bison to beat your ass

the moose considers your heartbeat just cause half the time

[serene radish]

I saw two guys do it with a moose as a guy was warning them not to get near it just for the moose to stomp and bite them

The guy that was warning them was cheering the moose on

[manic inlet]

oh and speaking of moose, our moose pop stayed stabled

3400 in 2025 post hunt compared to i think 3650 in 2024

theyve been oscilating between 3200 and 4000 for like a decade now so

its not exactly shocking

[serene radish]

I forgot yall had meese

[past bison]

There was a big slug behind me I hope he ate it

[serene radish]

Im so used to moose being further up north

[manic inlet]

reintroduced in the 1980s with rando bulls and cows from wyoming and utah

[manic inlet]

we are along like the southern extent of their range in warm periods

but yeah, valid

many CO residents dont even know we have em

[serene radish]

Im not surprised

[manic inlet]

you usually find out when visiting Estes

because if you go west of Estes to one of the campgrounds around Bull Mountain

there be moose about

do not try to fight it, it will win

even against your car

ong the bulls will chokeslam a hatchback

[serene radish]

Ive heard advice if you ever see a moose on the road and are about to hit it you'll be safer trying to swerve into a tree

[manic inlet]

yes, its the inverse of every other animal

because its so tall, hitting it means you sweep its legs

[serene radish]

https://tenor.com/view/mouse-walking-on-water-confirmed-gif-20581755

[manic inlet]

then the whole half ton ultradeer from hell drops through your windshield and turns you into a memory by decaling you to the inside of your car

[serene radish]

Moose are certainly interesting creatures

[manic inlet]

very neat animals

ive seen one in person

well it was two

[serene radish]

Neat but terrifying

[manic inlet]

springtime, mom and calf

[manic inlet]

agreed

they scare me

i like seeing them and they scare me

[manic inlet]

we were in the car and were very still

yes mama moose was death glaring us

[serene radish]

I don't have the guts to go near a moose lol

[manic inlet]

they move distrubingly silently icl

[serene radish]

Ive seen videos of them showing the whites of their eyes and its just freaky

[manic inlet]

its horrific how quiet an animal that size can move through the forest

[manic inlet]

real

[serene radish]

Thankfully any moose ive seen was behind a fence

[manic inlet]

id love to see them reestablished where they formerly were tbh

like fully

cause theyre immensely necessary for forest health throughout the continent

and are commensurate with elk for helping regulate but accelerate growth in browse

they also make game trails

shockingly, by using their 1000lb bodies to bulldoze direct routes to stuff they like

[serene radish]

I never looked into this what was their original range like?

[manic inlet]

I dont have an exact map on hand but formerly the following states (in a list)

Oregon, Washington, California, Idaho, Utah, Nevada, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Indiana, Ohio, Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Maine

and also Alaska

they used to be a rather common sight in the badlands and throughout the prairie and were a major browser in the northern half of the eastern deciduous woodlands

the southern half being covered by elk which inhabited the entire lower 48

[serene radish]

So pretty much widespread throughout the US

[manic inlet]

yeah, one second im editing a map

its slightly outdated but

it works

[serene radish]

Alr

[manic inlet]

red is the original on the map but orange more or less demarcates current distribution while green is historical

oh I dragged it a bit too far north and missed the ozarks where htey ranged roughly furtherest south

there

lines are a bit thin on Nevada but they were in the sierra range near the cali border and along the Utah/Idaho lines

It bothered me too much I had to correct it

[serene radish]

Oh damn it really did shrink..

That's just concerningly tiny compared to the historical range.

[manic inlet]

market hunting for meat, antler, and hide

[serene radish]

Thought so

[manic inlet]

also mass killing by cattlemen and contracted former army men as well as the army itself to kill off food sources for Native Americans and make way for cattle ranching/farming

shot and left to rot in many cases

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So pretty much just mass killing drove them out and made their range shrink further

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the buffalo wasnt the only one to suffer that fate but it had it the worst

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yep

elk is arguably more egregious though

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Every elk subspecies suffered there

Didn't like 2 go extinct due to that same reason?

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Eastern and Merriam's although Merriam's are now considered an ecotype of RME as are Manitobans

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Ah

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one second ima do some crude drawing to put feeling to this

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for reference this is generally accurate for current distribution

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Tule elk mentioned 🗣‼️

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this is roughly what is was at european contact

basically, the whole lower 48 possibly except for florida

and most of mexico

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Yikes

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this one was pure market hunting for venison, leather, and antler

the lowest point pre-regulation was 1910

40,000 elk left

on the entire continent

with Colorado only holding 750