We need loot with random mods and rolls

[gaunt mural]

I mean yyy... I need xd
I love collecting loot and after obtaining every piece of gear I have nothing to do
Lets keep current items as uniques and add generic randomized items
It would be great to grind for perfect rolls
I think "Death must Die" have such system

[solid kite]

So because death must die has a system like that, other similar games should too? I'd probably not bother playing if the item pool got littered with random items, no planning would save you.

And perhaps if obtaining every piece of gear is your only task in games, it's time to move on. Or find new goals for yourself.

[gaunt mural]

Nah, you got me wrong, "Death must Die" was only an example
I do not expect such system, probably something simplified

Limiting only to unique items hurts the replayability of game and flexability of builds
Yes, you can play with traits and skills but not much more
Lets say you want to stack max hp. Can you ? No, you can't, only piece of gear that gives you life is chest
But with generic random items you could stack %life/flat life one every item
Same thing with force and other statistics

What i'm proposing is only a high level idea, saying " I'd probably not bother playing if the item pool got littered with random items" right now is probably too fast, without any details 😉

[unreal hazel]

I do like collecting gear with random modifiers but only similar to POE. Where the modifiers are largely known and the random is just the range of values they offer. I would enjoy a little enchanting in this game. Customize gear a little. Can't say I'm keen on straight up RNG collecting gear. That sounds aweful.

[gaunt nacelle]

perhaps this could be alleviated with (maybe purchasable) upgrade "items have 50% chance to have X stat"
New NPC idea? 🙂

maybe new bottles

[mental brook]

didnt play for a while but have you tried warlock defence stacking? or maiden block stacking? impossible to die with warlock + some unique items and you are a beast after few minutes... imagine if I could stack more of same stat from such random gear... that would throw most builds out of the window bcs stacking just one powerful stat combining "common gear" with Uniques would totaly wreck the games balance

[mental brook]

I was askin for a bottle to blockabilities already... and not just me... too many times I get what I am not aiming for even when used all 3 rerolls and discarded several scrolls and yes I had lvl for them and still didnt roll what i intended so I had to reroll to make my idea real but rng is cringe in such moments

would be also nice to block abilities before/at the start of the run.. .like when you pick the first ability from the BOOK but would also have to block 3 other abilities depending on how many you have unlocked.. like block 3 if you have 10 unlocked block 2 if 7 etc.

[gaunt mural]

@mental brook
Yes, I tried most of builds that makes sense.

Warlock defense stacking ? And how this 'stacking' looks like ?
All you can 'stack' is wear +defense armor and pick some +defense traits, that is all.
This is 'stacking' for you ? Why would you want to stack defense on warlock btw ? xd

Maiden block stacking ?
Same thing here and no one is playing maiden anyway
Everyone is focusing on offense

Game balance ?
What game balance ? This game is not balanced and is not supposed to be.
Mara tried to make it different and make it harder but community was not happy about it and now it's just 'fun' game like other in this genre.
And that is completely ok, I just want it to be even more fun.

Don't take it as attack on you or something, but you clearly are a newer player or you don't know what are you talking about.
Yes, I'm just a player, like you, and my opinion is as valid as yours, no more no less.
But giving more flexibility and options to 'feel powerful' game will only make it better and live longer, not opposite.

[mental brook]

how about you reply after you try it then ? 🙂 and yes stacking of stats means by any source possible and already warlock gains defence every level right? + all the gear/traits for defence + all for regeneration it doesn't rly matter how hard you make the game he just cant die if you make him right even bosses do little to no dmg and gives me more regeneration as they hit me and I had like 250hp and could not die on any map once I stacked enough... maiden is not that tanky but with nearly 300 block chance there wasn't an attack other then standing INSIDE and enemy such as boss or viaduct ghost wall or ground stuff like fire that could even deal dmg to me... except standing in boss he did like 50% of my hp before dying to dmg from abilities... I would love an endless agony mode but if I were to go with warlock this way he would not be able to die until he uses up all upgrades there are i guess...

[mental brook]

btw I find your way of talking to me condesending
"you clearly are a newer player or you don't know what are you talking about"
I was playing this type of games most likely before you were born and I dont need to play this game long to see how to make it better or where its problems are thy

"This is 'stacking' for you ? Why would you want to stack defense on warlock btw ? xd" - Why would I not play like that If I like to play like that?
Its obviously about a choice wich the game gives us and also not everyone see the game as "bigger number better gamer" I play Tons of PoE so minmaxing is my second nature how ever this game didnt lure me in so much that I would put into it any more effort or time to even begin to min max... Obviously I blindly stack one thing the character (warlock in this case) is good at and it already works too well if Id get rare items with random mods and got enough defence then even an endless mode could become broken... I dont even know if there is ceiling for this stat other then LVL cup + avalibile items... given more items and/or higher max lvlv could break the game even in endless agony since you'd render your self unable to take more dmg per sec then any number of enemies can muster against your defence combined with regen.. wich with right items can be insane too.. never stacked it too high bcs defence was enough to handle anything so far but if Id try I bet I could use Shepherd's Boon with astronomers orbs + some items + traits to make regen awfully broken too...

[unreal hazel]

Let's all play nice. We all love the game and that should be good enough to get along. We all have different skill levels and different amounts of time to invest in the game. It isn't a competition.

Also if you want to see whatever the current "broken stuff" is: https://steamcommunity.com/app/2218750/discussions/5/4036977429236245180/

It even has a HP regen record. If you can beat any of them, join in.

[mental brook]

sounds fun but unfortunately I have others things to attend to and other games to play with friends so I played this alot only when I was sick and now Id rather put my time into other games and return to this awesome gem after I am done with them 🙂 also cant wait what else changes once I will look into this game again after some time so far I love the style music and everything 🙂 thy for psoting that link

[gaunt mural]

@mental brook
Ehh... ok, so it's both

Maybe I'm not the kindest one, but I was right, you are newer player and you don't know what are you talking abut

1. Current endgame is not about surviving, it's about breaking mechanics and achieving highest number, as Tazza linked, you even have leaderboards for different categories

2. Devs will add some kind of shrine that will allow you to make game more challenging, probably much much more. So there will be more than enough room for additional itemization and 'stacking'

3. You was aware I'm correct, why you pretend you are veteran if you don't know such things.
   Just tell you are not playing this game for long and from your point of view you don't agree with me, that is ok and cool. Don't act as someone you are not... be honest.

peace

[mental brook]

1. I dont rly care about an endgame since endgame is to beat a boss like in every other game like this if you find making bigger number entertaining then thats ok i guess
2. yes and the shrine will be either debuffs or endless or both right? 🙂 but if its just debuffs It better be rly big ones bcs the stacking I was talking about here works too well and in an endless it could be broken rly hard
3. I am a veteran in terms of gaming(I started on floppy discs :D) and games like theese arent anything new or ground braking its still the same just a little differend spin even thou not rly...
4. "But giving more flexibility and options to 'feel powerful' game will only make it better and live longer, not opposite."
   I never said you are wrong about this 🙂 I just disagree about adding items just as it seems most ppl do 😄 look around you...
   "Just tell you are not playing this game for long and from your point of view you don't agree with me, that is ok and cool. Don't act as someone you are not... be honest. " rly??? 😄 How am I dishonest? I played this type of games way before this one were even being made so I dont know whats your point 🙂 mine is that items like you mentioned are stupid OP for current state of the game and unless something radically changes its still gonna be and thats why I dont think nobody rly wants the game to be like that probably not even devs do no matter the way you try to spin it or justify it... I agree to disagree with you 😄 thou I do find your attempt to have the last laugh amusing I dont rly see the point in continuing this conversation with you any further unless you have anything substantial to my point of view other then "you are wrong bcs I play this one game more" type of response... I gave you plenty of examples and explained my POV so if there is aynthing you need me to explain to you I suggest you try to read what I posted earlier... 🇵 🇪 🇦 🇨 🇪

[gaunt mural]

Yep, that is enough
I believe we don't need to add anything more here

Aaand with all respect to myself, I don't think they will add such system anytime soon, if at all
But I'm sure, it is good idea, it will not hurt, it will make game only better and it will need to be considered by devs at some point.
After all, they are doing diablo-like vampire survivors game, how can it exist without randomized loot...

[lethal drift]

I like the fixed item system of HoT. Sure, it hurts replayability, but what we get in exchange is a more curated gameplay experience. More constraints force players to think outside the box and get creative with the limitations they're dealt. And it eliminates reliance on RNG to determine your build, which means at least at the meta level, you're dealt the same hand as everyone else.

If games like DMD have procedural item generation, and you like that, that's perfectly fine with me, but that's simply not HoT. Not always can you have the best of both worlds.

...but y'know, don't need to diss those who disagree. We can have a civil discussion without the need for personal attacks or judgements

[gaunt mural]

Ok, look, I just pointed out that he is newer HoT player and don't know what he is talking about (abut endgame, grinding for rolls is supposed to be endgame activity)
Which was was true and he even admitted it, saying that he was playing only when he was sick.
Is it dissing ? Is it personal attack ? Is it uncivilized ? Maybe...

I agree that fixed items is part of HoT identity, I feel the same, but also I feel restricted but relatively small item pool. That is why I proposed only very basic affixes like life or force, all the unique interactions would still be locked only for unique items.

Don't you fell like all loadouts on all characters look basically the same if you are not going for specific challenge ?
You wear Mask of Madness + Holy Relic + Warrior's Fervour combo and that is your build, the rest of slots doesn't even matter... there are some exceptions ofc. How can you think outside the box and be creative if you have no tools for it ?

At this point I'm starting realizing that maybe I'm expecting too much...
This is just a simple game, should be fun and easy, such depth maybe is not necessary
Yeah... probably

[unreal hazel]

Perhaps you should visit your own creativity if you think HR + WF is a must-take combo. I never wear WF and rarely wear HR. Perhaps there is stronger stuff you could look at?

[gaunt mural]

Perhaps

I never said it is must-take, you don't need it
In current state of game you don't need items at all and can be successful

What I am saying is, this combo is optimal for most situations, in terms of offense/defense/QoL

[haughty jay]

I wouldnt mind random additional variable bonus stats on items that drop that you cant exfil with