#Group Buy: ALE and ALE RELAY PCB's (4/26/2024)

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gray brook
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@everyone
This will be a Group Buy for the ABSIS ALE PCB and the ABSIS ALE RELAY PCB's
Both will have Electronic Components Mounted, Connectors not included and is the purchasers responsibility to add and solder them.
Pro-Micro's are also not included

A full pit needs 21 ALEs and 7 ALE RELAY boards
Pricing is based on orders for a Full Pit

Please specify # of ALE Boards you want and # of ALE Relay Boards
to make it easier to track this time I'm treating them separately.

21 ALE's
7 ALE Relays
For a Set of all of the I am rounding to make this easy is $150 + S/H, USA will be Flat Rate Priority Mail
Outside of the USA will need addresses to calculate cost or if we have a EU member willing to be our shipping point I can ship there then you can work out shipping with that person.
If anyone is interested in being a EU Hub let me know.

If anyone would like to donate a few dollars for compensation for time to organize and ship it would be appreciated.
I've been told by several that I or anyone running a group buy should get a little bit of compensation for our time.
Completely optional of course

USA
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Non-USA

  1. McClient (23 ALE, 7 Relay, Germany)
  2. Ulukaii ((23 ALE, 7 Relay, Gernamny)
grizzled silo
gray brook
real basalt
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@gray brook : A noob question I guess: How do I come by the remaining ABSIS Boards like Power Supply, Backlight Controller and such. Will there eventually be group buys for those also?

gray brook
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There's 3 options in total

  1. Wait for more group buys
  2. Order yourself from JLCPCB
  3. Yuu can get some from my store on etsy (i do not have all PCB's)
real basalt
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Thanks Sandra. I am aware I can order from JLCPCB. Designed and ordered my own PCBs in the past. Number 1 tells me that the answer to my question is yes. There will most likely be group buys for the other ABSIS boards. I will have a look at your store. I guess shipping cost to Germany is going to kill me, though.

gray brook
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Probably no more that shipping from JLCPCB
but if your not in the USA, you have to send a contact message to me so I can figure up actual shipping then create a listing for you.

vagrant wren
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Hi Sandra - plz count me in for the full set. Would this already be the improved version with the diode? I think Higgins wrote it was modified

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*based in Germany

gray brook
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Yes. Latest version

bronze creek
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Did ours have the diodes?

gray brook
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Pretty sure they did

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However. Once I found the issue the diode does not actually protect it. It looks like to me there is a version of the PCB for the pro micro that has a defect in it and that’s what causes the issue. I found it on some of my pro micros, but not on all of them.

bronze creek
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It's OK I think im gonna convince someone to sell me some branded pro micros one day.

gray brook
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i hear they're working on it but due to a recent computer issue they lost the HD they files were on so all they have is the gerber files that went to JLCPCB for prototypes

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but I can say that I heard none of the prototype had the issue

gray brook
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and yes the recent order did have the diode on them

bronze creek
vagrant wren
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push

narrow ice
gray brook
narrow ice
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I fear so. Have you checked the interconnect?

gray brook
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I looked there and thru the Fusion Model itself

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If everyone is ok with it on the previous buy, I can order the extra 2 ea as part of this buy (unless you need sooner) then ship to you all (at my expense)

bronze creek
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You can ship it absolutely but the at your expense part is nonsense

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Just tell me what I owe ya when we know what I owe ya

grizzled silo
# gray brook Got it

I can offer to be your EU hub. Do you also offer the background lighting PCB’s or is it common to build them by your own?

gray brook
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The Group buy is specific to the ALE/ALE Relay Boards only. that's the keep it manageble.
if we need/want another group buy we can do that.

real basalt
# gray brook If everyone is ok with it on the previous buy, I can order the extra 2 ea as pa...

@gray brook : I can't speak for the others obviously but I think for the non US that makes no sense and is way too costly for you. I suggest we organize a European group buy. I expect that we will not end up more expensive in the end because while we have to pay the shipping we don't have to pay the double customs (at least within the EU). But you paying the shipping to more than 10 (?) non US is more than we should expect. For my part: I got what I paid for. I am 2 ALEs short for the full pit? Will not impact me in the next months (years?).

So thank you for the kind offer but I don't want to impose these cost on you.

pure slate
gray brook
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Thanks, I just feel bad I made the mistake, I do agree though that atleast its not a case of you paid for it and didn't get it.
Yes, everyone is short 2 ALE board, I somehow miscounted the UIP (or totally didn't count it)
We can use this group buy to cover the 2 missing one if we wanted?
basically have

  1. ALE Full Set, 23 + ALE Relay, 7
  2. ALE Makeup Set, 2
    You'all can just tell me which option you fall under.
real basalt
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I am considering organizing an EU Group Buy. I ordered from JLCPCB before but still I wouldn't mind if someone can double check my order. In addition to the two missing ALEs I would probably want to include almost all ABSIS Boards. I am currently looking at the Mega (3), the Pit Managament System (1) , Backlight controller (1) , HID Bus Master (4) and ATX Power supply unit (1). If that is not against any rules, I would open a corresponding thread.

gray brook
# real basalt I am considering organizing an EU Group Buy. I ordered from JLCPCB before but st...

Anyone can open a group buy so you're good there and myself and others are happy to double check your order.
I would suggest for your first one don't go to crazy on how much you want to include, don't underestimate the complexity of a group buy on both your mental state and time.
Also, try to keep to what you setup, ie don't let it become to many variations of this person wants A, that one AB and anpther AC or BC etc
set your goal for the buy and stick to it as best you can.

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and of course, you'll want multiplesof 5 since thats what you can get from JLCPC

real basalt
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Understood. Thank you.

grizzled silo
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Hi Sandra, beginner question, I am not to familiar with the project yet, does your group buy (23 ALE / 7 Relay) include the following boards, Rusti mentioned: ABSIS HID Bus Master (4), ABSIS Backlight Controller (1), ABSIS ATX PSU Breakout (1), ABSIS Pit Management System (1)?

real basalt
fast dawn
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So I know this group buy is on the old side but I cant tell if it ever happened. If It didnt was considering setting a new one up.

gray brook
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it did not happen, didn't get enough interest at the time

brave grove
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So it might not be a good idea

fast dawn
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@karmic kraken do we possibly know when the new version might be ready? Is it worth waiting?

karmic kraken
# fast dawn <@189105273284067330> do we possibly know when the new version might be ready? I...

No. My understanding is that several people are working on it, from different angles. What I've read here, and I have absolutely no opinion about rights and wrongs, I am not involved in any way in that, and I do not understand most of it, is that the current ABSIS ALE is a bit unsafe.

In my opinion, it's worth waiting. Security above everything else, especially with electricity. But it's also easy for me to say that, my build is not at the stage where i actually need the ALEs before I can do something with it.

It's probably better to ask the people who are involved what they think about it.

fast dawn
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@karmic kraken Thank you Sir! Ill do some more reading and just put that to the backburner as well.

smoky hawk
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Im going to be very clear - the ABSIS ALE is not unsafe. If it was, it wouldn't be out there. The root cause is poor design of the pro-micro, with a power trace to close to ground trace and some suffer from an internal short due to this.

fast dawn
smoky hawk
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I would wait since to use the current one requires a number of workarounds to mitigate the issue but there is no date for a solution. We are still working it. (Its a hobby for us too and real life/job has absolutely taken a priority for me lately.)

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The real solution will be sandra OH pro-micro that spaces the traces far enough out on the pro-micro PCB.

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(And once we do that, the current ALE would function just fine.)

gray brook
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and Sandra has simulair issues but also since the pro0micro we make will not come with the boot loader i need to provide doc on how to install a boot loader as well as i'd like to provide a programming board to do it as a option

zinc fjord
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Is it safe as a work around to not solder the raw pin on the PM board and link Vcc to the ABSIS ale +5v pin

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Or does that come with dangers

gray brook
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that is the work around but it does mean to power the pro-micro's you have to plug them into USB

zinc fjord
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Ah so the power is not coming from the +5v from the atx psu
so from atx psu —- psu dist board —- bus master ——ale —— pro micro
No usb power needed or is that not so.

If I need usb to power it I may as well, use usb to communicate too.

orchid rose