suggestion-discussion

[languid ibex]

Feedback from one bad encounter is almost always a bad idea, if it happens consistently that'd be more interesting

[rigid rivet]

deathsquitos aint for the weak man

gotta know when to parry and you get em

[lofty field]

Parry doesn't do much, since they cannot get staggered

[rigid rivet]

hm? i thought they could though. atleast for me they always do stop flying for a bit

[lofty field]

They do stop, but they don't get staggered. Blocking has the same effect on them (you can block more and need no stamina with parrying, but the effect on the deathsquitos is the same as with blocking)

[lost river]

It's time to get a lexicon and get the knowledge what "crying" actually means. You are blocked. Thank you for the help.

[lofty wave]

Just hit them first, they have 10 health

[rose swan]

By the way, in case no one’s mentioned it yet, you can turn down the difficulty in the world modifiers if want 🤔

[errant mauve]

Is the decrease in hitpoints of the Root Harnesk worth it for the 50% peirce reduction (so specifically for deathquitos and other peirce attacks) when compared to the padded armor equivalent?

Some people seem to pretty much play the whole game with it equipped

[stark furnace]

yes

[random monolith]

Its too op honestly

I wouldn't mind if root harnesk was reworked in some way that still made it useful but not the kind of thing you have equipped the whole game

but I'm not sure how

[peak bronze]

It could be added only for the armor set bonus.

[lofty wave]

It should give bonus armor against pierce instead of % damage reduction

[stark furnace]

^ yes

[hallow wing]

I would say that there are some situations where using a full set gives you an advantage, however the root harnesk is also just super good against Deathsquitos and pretty much anything else that does pierce

Overall I find myself usually using pieces from multiple armor sets at a time
For example my mountains set is Drake Helmet, Root Harnesk, and Fenris legs. Drake Helmet for high armor, Root Harnesk bc it's essential for the plains and I didn't see the point in getting a chest piece that I would immediately replace once I beat Moder, and Fenris Legs to make up some of the speed lost by Root Harnesk

[lusty trout]

Deathsquitos do 8 damage to me while wearing it....

[stark furnace]

honestly the only biome where you shouldn't really be wearing the root harnesk is mtns

[wanton atlas]

why not+

death by fires is fun

[peak bronze]

Not in frost caves at least. Only useful against spike handed golem.

[stark furnace]

even in open wrlds mtns u hardly benefit from the pierce res

like the only things in open wrld mtn doing pierce is the variant of the stone golem with the pincer thing and not the blunt big hand, and bow skeletons

so it's just kinda meh

I guess you can use it for moder but 🤷‍♂️

[viral kraken]

Or just skip root harnesk completely, because you don’t need pierce protection if you don’t get hit by them

[stark furnace]

🤙 i mean i been using bear armor for an entire playthru

[peak bronze]

Bear -> Fenris nowadays for me.

[unkempt osprey]

i love how the seasons in the mod look, and i feel like i don't see a reason why vanilla couldn't do something similar

[viral kraken]

I tried it, can’t say I’m a fan tbh. Troll until Fenris, then that’s what I run

Used to run troll whole way through until they added the frost caves

[peak bronze]

I like the bear set a lot. Stamina regen and extra slash is nice as I'm usually battleaxe user when I get the first one.

[viral kraken]

I’m a knife user, sneaking up on things like trolls and wolves are my specialty.

The bear set just didn’t seem to vibe as well

[peak bronze]

The extra slash also affects to knives' slash damage.

[edgy grail]

Theres bear armor?

[viral kraken]

Yeah, I know. But, not a huge amount. Extra sneak helps me get closer

[viral kraken]

Yep

[edgy grail]

whats the recipe

bear hide and what

[viral kraken]

You’ll unlock it when you gather the ingredients

[peak bronze]

That, plus blueberries.

Also new claws made of bear mats.

[viral kraken]

Has it always been a 15 second slow mode?

[peak bronze]

I suppose.

[viral kraken]

Huh, could have sworn it didn’t use to be few years ago

[peak bronze]

Ah, right. Could be added after the hack.

Don't remember exactly tho.

[viral kraken]

Go figure.
I leave, then come back to hear there’s been a hack. Such sadness

[peak bronze]

Yeah, sad times indeed. Many messages were purged.

[wanton atlas]

slowmode changes depending on the spam

[zenith sand]

in regards to the seasons suggestion, i personally think they're a pretty good idea, but at the same time the seasons shouldn't be powerful enough to significantly alter a biome's difficulty. for example, meadows should still be warm enough in winter that you don't freeze to death during the day. at night maybe, but certainly not during the day. another example would be keeping mountains cold enough to freeze even during summer, since otherwise the difficulty would change drastically

[rose swan]

I think seasons are a really cool idea, but it’s one of those things where it kinda has to be a major feature implemented early in the game so everything kinda fits.

Probably would make for a cool mod though

[stark furnace]

yea as cool as seasons are I think it should just remain a modded feature

[languid ibex]

Yeah I enjoy how seasonal elements are taken on by biomes, it'd stand to take away from biomes like Mountains or Deep North where snow is a major part of the atmosphere.

[weak jasper]

It's not bad to increase the comfort of the Christmas tree, but I think it's a little troublesome. I made a place where I want to build a tree, but if I don't build it during the period, I have to wait almost a year to go, and if I can put it at any time, it will lose the feeling of a special event, and I feel different about losing comfort. Do you have any good ideas?

[stiff stag]

It really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Each level of comfort only adds an extra minute each. Compared to the total duration you can get with non-seasonal items as is, you wouldn't be missing out on much regardless of whether the comfort amount is increased or not.

[light fractal]

I think seasons would take a hell of a lot of work to make sure they function properly for every biomes around.

And besides, the action happens in a spirit world. I dont think seasons are lore appropriate.

[weak jasper]

Indeed

[subtle depot]

I*ve thought about seasons a lot, and no matter how you do seasons it doesn't really make much sense from a gameplay perspective
either you do visual only seasons, which will be stupid at the transition point between mountains and every other biome. during winter you would have a transition that goes from snowy and freezing to snowy but not even cold.
during summer it would be equally jarring, having a high rock that is suddenly freezing cold without snow (tho, this is more realistic)

if we did change gameplay when seasons changed, it would make the mountains a joke if we made them just cold during summer daytime.
similarly, making all other biomes cold at all times, or even cold during the day and freezing during the night would be a nightmare difficulty if you don't play fast enough to get cold resistance before the first winter hits.

and then there is the issue of how long each season lasts. too short and winter will hit you in the face hard
too slow and you starve because you cant forage or grow crops in the winter (and no one told you to hoard turnips)

if valheim had a more fleshed out temperature system comparable to conan exiles (or whatever conan had in 2020, havent played in forever)
that could work with seasons, but the weather buffs/debuffs would need to be heavily reworked.

even with that fleshed out system, I'm still voting no because I'm not waiting for 1-2 weeks for winter to pass to grow more barley

[weak jasper]

Well, after all, Scandinavia doesn't really have vibrant four seasons, and if it compromises Valheim's identity, that wouldn't be good... You can still feel the seasons in each biome: spring meadows, dark forests in summer, rainy swamps, autumn mountains, and the far north in winter.

[stiff stag]

#suggestions message being able to pick up objects built with a hammer in general doesn't really fit in with how things are done. And even if it did, it would need to be done in a way that it can't be exploited for a massive inventory boost, such as having to hold it in both hands and not being able to put them in your inventory. Either way though it would just feel weird and out of place.

[weak jasper]

If I were to make a change, I would like to prioritize picking up the chest materials first when breaking a full chest with a hammer.

[wanton atlas]

Scandinavia don't? 😄

spring in my old hometown

summer

Autum

and winter

[languid ibex]

Hmm, still not clear, fly me out? 😄

[wanton atlas]

🤔

[weak jasper]

I thought it only happened in winter. It's beautiful.

[wanton atlas]

only what happend?

btw. sounded like you don't think we got temperature changes here

I've been in +45 and -42

Celcius

in the same country

spring and Autum is the most enjoyable times in scandinavia

it's not to warm, not to cold. just right 👌

BUT

from a gameplay perspective seasons would be wierd and hard to motivate

the point isn't to live in valheims world. it's to clear the task given by Odin

you're not suppose to settle down, plow the fields and live your rest of your life in there

and technically swap out all the trees would be a nightmare on performance

[weak jasper]

That's true, but we actually farm and live there. We can't survive otherwise, and after all, this is a game. I also feel the same way about opposing the introduction of seasons.

[wanton atlas]

I know there are some funky seasons mods, and they work great

diffrent crops etc also

but it's not the idea of the game to play it like that

so it can't be part of the official game

[hybrid gull]

I don't think it really makes sense lore-wise either: what if a new viking is sent to the tenth world while it's winter? They'd be freezing the moment they arrive 🤔
So it makes more sense for the whole world to be still, unchanging

games that do have seasons usually make use of it throughout the game. Meaning, much of the game is based around the changing seasons to begin with: see Animal Crossing with their cozy vibe or Forza Horizon where each season provides different challenges because of the weather

[lofty field]

Just apply the same stamina rules as when encumbered while moving the chest

[hybrid gull]

uh, I never found chests to be that huge of an issue tbh

just use a cart to move a lot of stuff at once, if you really have to, and slowly dismantle all the old chests you're not using anymore

[lofty field]

Well it's not an issue per se as there are valid alternatives/work arounds. It's annoying nonetheless and would be a appreciated qol improvement imo (obviously that point is highly subjective)

For me it's something that really hinders me from redoing storage and I'm often living with very suboptimal/chaotic system because I dread moving all the items between chests so much

(also, I don't get how the cart would help, it has even less slots than a wood chest)

[unkempt osprey]

to be fair, winter is not a binary setting - the mountains and deep north can get more snowy, blizzardy, and cold during the winter, while the meadows only get light snow

[hybrid gull]

????

I just meant you can use the cart as a temporary storage to move your stuff while you construst/deconstruct your chests

and by itself the cart has a lot of storage

[lofty field]

Yeah, but it doesn't even hold the content of one wood chest, I'm better off just using my inventory

[hybrid gull]

are you trolling me?

[unkempt osprey]

a spirit world that is much like our own, and scandinavia more closely - they had seasons

[languid ibex]

Yeah that's still part of my point thought, not the weather aspects, but that snow is a part of the atmosphere in those biomes. That'd take away from the feeling of being there if it's experienced somewhere as carefree as meadows.

[hybrid gull]

the cart has 18 slots, a chest has 10

what are you on about

[lofty field]

The cart has 8 (4x2)

[hybrid gull]

have you ever built a cart in your entire life?

[languid ibex]

Argus has located some mythical cart 😛

[lofty field]

Yeah, sorry

[lofty field]

My bad, looked at the wrong value in the wiki 😅

[light fractal]

and much like medieval scandinavia, farmers had to fend off the undead all the time

Its a spirit work on a flat land. If they want to put seasons in, its fine, but im saying its not "compliant" with the lore.

[unkempt osprey]

once again, seasons are not a binary but rather a scale, the mountains are often still covered in snow in most parts of the world even in summer, and in winter are some areas still not too cold or snowy

the mod itself didn't make the winter hardcore or anything, you just had to either plan a bit more for it, or suffer being generally slower and weaker

and planning is already something valheim likes, atleast the way i play it, with highways, planning ore expeditions

[languid ibex]

I don't think they're saying to implement the mod, and only mention the atmosphere it brings. Using what the mod does to make points against what people are saying isn't exactly related to the suggestion.

[subtle depot]

A harsh scale.
If you go anywhere outside in norway in summer clothes in january, you will die within 12 hours

[river rain]

How is it possible that it's been X years and the items in the game still don't float on water?!

Sailing is currently the most frustrating part of Valheim because of 3 reasons:

• black forests are infested with small insufferable rocks on its shores and rivers
• when boats are destroyed, the crafting materials all fall to the bottom of the f-ing water thus potentially leaving you stranded on an island in the middle of nowhere with no way of crafting a new ship...
• I otherwise love the exploration side of the game and this ruins it

[wanton atlas]

things that shouldn't float, don't float

[ripe obsidian]

I learned to stand in middle as the boat is about to be destroyed to hopefully grab the crafting materials before they drop. Not 100% chance but helps

[river rain]

Terrible point.
Why is my 1000 kg worth of iron not sinking then?

For realism's sake, can a viking not hold his breath for 20 seconds while he fetches an item 2m below water?

[wanton atlas]

same

[river rain]

I have tried this, to still have the nails sink underwater...

[viral kraken]

Because it was stored in the hold of the ship in boxes that are highly buoyant. The parts of the boat are not stored in such a way, as they were part of the boat that got destroyed.

[river rain]

There's just no point in having this mechanic. It just significantly lowers quality of life for something that isn't even that "immersive".

[viral kraken]

Hey smiffe, one way to solve the issue of “boat broke and now I can’t grab the materials from the bottom of the water”
Just make it so the boat doesn’t drop materials if it breaks 😈

[wanton atlas]

good idea

[viral kraken]

-# (Please don’t though)

[peak bronze]

Too late, Smiffe will personally forward the idea to the developer team.

[viral kraken]

Just so long as he forwards them the instructions to leave my worlds untouched haha

[river rain]

How buoyant does a few crates have to be to hold 2000 kg of iron? Surely there's a limit to how much it can float up.

[viral kraken]

😆

[viral kraken]

It’s special crates

[peak bronze]

"Hey team there is this idea from user called WillTreaty, make sure the changes affect only his account."

[wanton atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/they're-changed-now-david-lyons-penance-penance-2014-directed-by-jeff-wolfe-gif-5045032876031447960

[viral kraken]

Enfant, have you considered the concept of building a diving board if the materials are near shore?

[river rain]

It's a world where we have grey dwarves, dragons and magic.
Realism surely isn't a main concern to players.
Would anyone bat an eye if items floated? It would make so many things so much better.

[river rain]

Pleas elaborate.

[viral kraken]

-# Mental note. Be extra careful when placing boats so as to not get them stuck and needing to be broken

[wanton atlas]

people use pocket portals

but pocket ships? 🤔

[viral kraken]

Build tower, jump off of tower, sink and grab the mats before you bob to surface

[river rain]

If I sound frustrated it's because I am currently stuck in an island because 10 deer hide decided to sink after leeches destroyed my boat.

How realistic is it for a leech to even be able to damage wood?

[viral kraken]

You sink farther if you jump from higher. Though, I think there is a max depth that you can sink to

[wanton atlas]

there is a command to respawn back at your starting circle if you want to

[river rain]

Oh ok, that's an actual solution to my problem.

I guess I'll spend 10 minutes building the tower and jumping off it until I can reach the stuff at the bottom

Just kinda disappointed that this is seen as "realism", when the ability to dive shouldn't require the building of a jumping tower.

In the future, I will carry around extra nails and deer hide in the cargo. Because this little "issue" just completely destroyed the momentum and fun of an exploration trip.

And I feel like that's a valid point to bring forward in a suggestions channel. As the tediousness and low QoL seems to be Valheim's #1 weakness.

[river rain]

Is there by any chance commands to give oneself X amount of deer hide?

[wanton atlas]

of course there is

or spawn the entire boat

[river rain]

Thanks

[wanton atlas]

you got it to work?

[river rain]

I logged into another world where I could hunt a few deer.
I'm usually against it, but the situation called for it.

[wanton atlas]

I think the longships is called vikingship in the spawn context

[wanton atlas]

that also works 👍

[placid osprey]

mind you, if using devcoomands, you can just hit B and turn on (or off) the requirements to make stuff. aka: just build the boat. It will use any mats in inventory, but if you're short anything, it won't care.

(easier than trying to spawn x number of whatever) 😄

[viral kraken]

In future, another helpful thing is being mindful of where you park the boat. Parking in a swamp is typically something to be avoided if at all possible

[lapis gust]

Can't harpoons pull items? If you can see it from the surface of the water then it must not be that deep. I don't know if this works tho

[lofty wave]

They can only pull characters because the harpoon uses a status effect.

[lapis gust]

That sucks

[stiff stag]

#suggestions message What use would the fishing pole have then if you can just use nets to catch fish with ease in mass amounts?

[viral kraken]

Lower stamina cost, earlier availability. Net would require linen at the very least.
Also, “school of fish” is a bit of an overstatement, as there’s not typically an actual school of fish to catch. Unless you count the appearances in the ocean.
But, it would be more effective as a method of grabbing things that the harpoon can’t ^^

[rose swan]

Would rather see some attention given to the fishing pole before adding a net 🤔

[viral kraken]

The fishing aspect was more of a side bonus lol. Main reason I suggested was reading the above comments on the harpoon and not being able to use it to grab items. So though "net" lol

[languid ibex]

It'd be nice to get a better fishing rod at somepoint so fishing is leaning less on mindless grind or cheesing.

Though I have grown to enjoy trawling for groups of fish on a raft, it does result in me needing to use high stamina foods to reel them into a small platform.

[viral kraken]

@spring rune you can change the teleporter limiter in the world modifiers section

[spring rune]

I know that, I just think the stone portal transporting metals is kinda pointless because you only get it in the last biome

The only thing it's actually good for is not burning

It's like congrats, you don't have to boat flametal back, very impactful

Even post plains it would still be nice because you'd enjoy it for longer than 4-5 trips

[viral kraken]

I mean, that's pretty time saving

It's better than the idea I had for after the final boss lol.

[spring rune]

It saves you time on one particular ore at the end of the game and the cog if you really care about catapults

[viral kraken]

There's still one more biome, so not quite the end of the game

[spring rune]

I mean who knows if there's even gonna be an ore in the deep north

[viral kraken]

But, my point being, you could simply play as normal until you reach the point that you think metal should be allowed to be teleported, then simply change the world settings

[spring rune]

You could also just play with no portal ever too, I just think the vanilla value of stone portal is almost nothing

Unless you want to run a forever vanilla server then it might actually impact it

[viral kraken]

tbf, I know nothing of the stone portal as I haven't reached Ashlands yet. Been mostly waiting for 1.0

But, I can see it's appeal.

[spring rune]

It's best value is not burning in the Ashlands

The being able to transport metal saves you precisely 6 boat trips

[viral kraken]

Kind of a big deal tbh lol

[viral kraken]

Those are some potentially very long boat trips as well lol

[spring rune]

Personally I think if you beat moder and grinded Silver and Iron already, going back for Iron is a pain in the ass and it would make a much more tangible impact there

Or even just beating Yagluth, because having it in the mistlands AND the ashlands makes sense since those are the more treacherous ones

Like if I'm already in for a pound, why give me a mere penny?

[dim cosmos]

Its clear that portal limitation is there so youre "forced" to explore and stuff but ocean is kinda booring i mean there is one enemy
id say lets make portal that can transport maybe almost anything - after moder
3 dragon tears
2 cores
1Serpent trophy
for portal that can be placed only on certain sea level so it is limiting but also gives you way to skip sea also its quite hard to get

[spring rune]

After moder or Yagluth seems appropriate because they're the markers of Mid to late game

[dim cosmos]

ye but you still will need 2 serpent trophy with my recipe so its not like you can build 2 instantly

[spring rune]

Having a weird recipe isn't a bad idea either

[viral kraken]

Having a trophy, especially serpent, as an ingredient for a portal is terrible imho

[dim cosmos]

but imo if is another portal added it should be somehow limited like its A huge boost to get portal like that so limit it by sea level so it can be build only on edges of islands

[spring rune]

Yeah idk about serpent trophy in particular

Because if I have to land 2 10% RNG rolls on serpent I will kms lol

[viral kraken]

Portal that must be built in water, large enough for ship to sail through 😆
Only type I would accept serpent trophy as requirement^

[dim cosmos]

i was aiming for hard to get thing but also something that is sea related so its clear why portal placement is limited by sea level

if they added more mobs for ocean there can be some different stuff

[spring rune]

It's too bad engine limitations won't let us have underground tunneling because I want Viking Agartha to be a realm that I could at least mod in

[dim cosmos]

im not sure what are engine limits tbh i hope this game will continue developing cos its realy good and can be much better

if i was capable of modding id mod shit out of this game O_O

[stiff stag]

It's not engine limitations, it's the fact that the whole terrain system and everything built on top of it would have to be reworked to allow for it. It's the sort of thing that would have had to be there from the start for it to even have a chance.

[dim cosmos]

terrain system is kinda shit tbh

[spring rune]

So it's like cleaning out 20 hoarders sheds?

Technically possible but soul sucking and time consuming?

[dim cosmos]

i mean basements or underground is so frustrating to make sometimes

[spring rune]

I do quite well with pickaxe and hoe

You can get a lot of mileage from just those tools

[dim cosmos]

i mean there is no other way to do it

its just limiting to 4 sides where its not zigzaging wall

[spring rune]

I use basements for storing forge and workbench upgrades to save main floor space

[light fractal]

About the crystal portal. I think it would be really neat to have different aesthethics for portals. I do not agree it should be used to transport "lesser" metals, however. (as much as I complained about it while I was in the mistlands)

[lofty field]

I would like it if beating a boss unlocked the portalling of their respective biome's metals/ores, as another setting in the portal slider/world modifier.
I've been trying that out with a mod and in my view that strikes a good balance between reducing the grind of getting earlier metals and keeping the adventure of exploring/gathering from a new biome (Portalling everything takes away too much from that)

[spring rune]

This is actually not a bad idea, the idea that beating the boss releases their magical grip on the precious metals of their region is pretty cool

[hybrid gull]

serpents have a 33% trophy drop rate fyi, because they're already relatively uncommon to find on purpose and the trophy is used for a recipe (maybe two? can't remember) already

and I believe the reasons why the stone portal is unlocked only in ashlands are two:

• stone doesn't burn, unlike almost everything else in that part of the map
• you most likely already have a nicely built base somewhere in the previous biomes (most likely not mistlands), which means you'd have to travel a lot to get anything back, even with a big ship. Since ashlands are currently the farthest away from the center and it's one hell of a trip to and from, it sounds fair

but I have no trouble carting and shipping silver, iron and whatever else, because once you unlock the longship it's not really that big of an issue

[languid ibex]

It isn't the last biome to be fair.

[noble cave]

guys after playing the game a lot, the world seems too repetetive now, given the ashlands are all the way down, and north up, the rest of the map is just mix of 7 biomes if couning ocean, i would love some half-biomes not neccesary for progression but just to add new visuals / building pieces to the game or new item choices, for example volcano / volcanic island with surtlings, deep ocean with kraken, serpents, sharks, some seaside cliffs with rocky terain or possibly fjords, and so on, but i guess this was already suggested, what are your opinions on this ?

[languid ibex]

I would suggest something a bit more specific, wanting more from Valheim isn't new, but suggesting in broad ways like this just sounds like 'I wish there was more.' While most can agree, a game like this could in theory be developed for decades, but the development team is small and likely has plans to move on to the next thing. We'll see where things land after 1.0, but in my opinion you're better off suggesting something simple and defined rather than extrapolating that you want more.

[noble cave]

yes, I realized that, that's why I didn't write the proposal right away, but added it to the discussion

[languid ibex]

Well you wanted opinions, there you have it, sorry my response didn't amount to agreeing with what you mentioned.

[pale ocean]

Am i the only one who thinks the ocean needs some personality

[stray sandal]

This is my buddies main gripe and the reason he stopped playing before the ashlands update. I can almost always find something to do at one of our couple dozen outposts but my friend struggles to look past what he wants Valheim to be. I'd recommend looking into mods that add the variety you desire.

[shadow crow]

Clearly not, given how many ocean-specific suggestions have been proposed just in the last two days

[pale ocean]

Wym by half biomes

[pale ocean]

Fair enough they all get down voted to hell though

[rose swan]

Do they? 🤔
Think it depends on the specifics. Ocean boss and diving are often not liked much by the community, but there’s a lot of other suggestions that get some traction for what it’s worth

[peak bronze]

It's not about that people don't want any new content to ocean, but what is proposed as the new content.

[pale ocean]

Go on

[peak bronze]

Personally I think full biome progression with its own boss wouldn't be necessary.

[pale ocean]

Nah i just wanna dive

Let me pick glowing seaweed or something

[viral kraken]

@stiff lava That requires a dedicated server, which is already possible.

[rose swan]

I feel like a lot of people would be happy with POI islands, maybe some natural structures (like rock spires or something) and maybe a creature or two.

[peak bronze]

Maybe few new monsters that start to spawn at ocean gradually as you progress the game.

After certain bosses are defeated for example.

[pale ocean]

I want a crab

[subtle depot]

More points of interest like the hildir quests locations would be cool imo.
A few for the ocean since it has nothing rn, and one for mistlands

[pale ocean]

An ocean ship merchant?

I might throw that in there to see what people think

[rose swan]

Yeah, small details like that could go a long way. I think a whole boss and underwater world is a bit ambitious.

[pale ocean]

I don't even want that

I just want something to do in all that map

[stray sandal]

A marooned trader would be kinda cool

[light fractal]

Someone said that we cant have an ocean biome because of how the water surface is a "sheet" or something. I dont know what that means

[pale ocean]

It means the collision just sits on top there's not anything under

[light fractal]

Collision with what?

[pale ocean]

Objects you the player boats

[subtle depot]

Like this, a lonely island with a bigass crab
A whirlpool with a kraken stuck in the center?
A volcano full of tunnels and surtlings

[pale ocean]

It's a sheet like paper

[light fractal]

objects you the player boats

[pale ocean]

More things like the chitin titians

Crab island

[light fractal]

well I dont understand what it means when you say its a "sheet" because I clearly see those things floating in a floaty way

and we can somewhat dive, which does not react in ways the solid ground does when we jump on it

How hard would it be to have a dive button like in ocarina of time?

[pale ocean]

Fairly actually

[light fractal]

I do not believe it. The stuff necessary to implement such function is already there.

[pale ocean]

Volcanos is food for thought

[pale ocean]

The water itself is basically one massive paper sheet it's a thick one but

[stray sandal]

I dont think it would be hard. But the reasons for having that mechanic implemented matter. Ok so you have a dive mechanic, now, what do you do with it with what is currently possible in game.

[subtle depot]

The game knows if you are under water or not. Thats a very easy check, and its why vikings float

With that, i dont see how diving is a technical challenge at all.

All you do is check for the player being underwater.
If they are, you enable diving animations.
Disable gravity.
Enable freefly.
Nerf flying speed speed.
Add a visual underwater filter

[light fractal]

That is true for just about every game out there with water in it.

[pale ocean]

Fair enough

I just feel like given valheim that would come with a thousand bugs somehow

[light fractal]

I go get my scales that sunk at the bottom.

[pale ocean]

Something about its physics worries me

[stray sandal]

Definitely valid and I'll add it would be nice to take advantage of building in deeper water

[pale ocean]

Harpoon the fish and kill it

That's why it exists

[hybrid gull]

you can get most scales if you jump on the serpent's head as you're dealing the finishing blow

[light fractal]

Yeah its always fun to have one solution to everything

[pale ocean]

Holy sarcasm

[hybrid gull]

like, the harpoon is pretty useless if you're solo, so the only viable option is that

[pale ocean]

No?

[light fractal]

Man, I just think it would be fun to have something at the bottom of the ocean to explore. Im not the only one that would like to see something there.

[pale ocean]

That mf is my best friend to this DAY

[light fractal]

And I dont have scale problems. I figured out how to get them easily. The harpoon is utterly useless for me.

[hybrid gull]

with patience you can get a serpent to shore, but at a very costly trip time-wise AND stamina-wise

[light fractal]

However, I still wish there was something at the bottom of the ocean. Treasures, fishes, sharks, vtubers, anything.

[pale ocean]

I mean close enough and i delete it

Usually it takes like a minute tops

[hybrid gull]

I don't think I've ever used the harpoon more than once in over 400 hours of playing

[pale ocean]

It'll follow you most of the way anyhow and you yoink it shoot it

[hybrid gull]

and that first time was enough to conclude it's useless

[light fractal]

I just jump on the serpent as I deal the killing blow.

[pale ocean]

It's the Easiest way to drag things to your base to tame them

Getting 2 star wolves without a harpoon sounds time consuming

[hybrid gull]

never had to move tamed creatures in my life either: I just build new boar pens if I need them, otherwise they remain in my first meadows base and that's it

[hybrid gull]

I don't

[pale ocean]

Yea what about the stars?

[light fractal]

and honestly its not just about serpents too. Sometime a troll dies rather deep and theres lots of gold that sinks at the bottom of the beach

sometime I wish I could break underwater stones to make safe passage to my ship

[pale ocean]

Not gonna cap i play on 3x so money is never been an issue

[light fractal]

what if I could start building from the bottom of a lake so to make a bridge or whatever?

[pale ocean]

You can if its shallow enough

[stray sandal]

This would be one of the main reasons I would want a dive mechanic

[light fractal]

yeah, big "if"

[hybrid gull]

not to defend the game or anything, but if you know stuff sinks and you can't dive, try to not kill/drop anything in too-deep water in the first place...
I highly doubt diving will ever be introduced anyway

[pale ocean]

True

[hybrid gull]

as for building, I feel you, since I also find it frustrating, but changing snapping points helps most of the time

[light fractal]

Maybe. I just dont want to see that it wont happen because the water is a big sheet or whatever. That's nonsense.

[hybrid gull]

I'd argue that it would be pretty unrealistic to allow players to build while submerged, too

[light fractal]

Its already unrealistic how it is done as of now.

and people can build things while submerged

[hybrid gull]

the workbench requirement is there as a reminder that "you build the piece at the workbench and then move it in place where you want it" and the whole moving stuff is cut away

[light fractal]

They did it since the antiquity. I dont know why we couldnt, us the spirit vikings that harnesses nature and magic.

[hybrid gull]

yeah, introducing magic kind of skrewed all that nice realistic logic there was

but nevertheless, the whole system would look even more unrealistic with diving in the mix imo

[light fractal]

Yeah well I talked about building underwater. Personally I just want to see a kelp forest and corals and the usual underwater crap.

The great litterbox of the ocean.

The ocean's boring, man.

[hybrid gull]

Odin cared about the challenge, not the aesthetics

[light fractal]

Odin smodin, he doesnt know fun!

[hybrid gull]

although it can be argued some places (many, in fact) look quite stunning

[light fractal]

The ocean?

[hybrid gull]

only when seen from the coast lol

[lapis gust]

@stiff lava Pretty sure that every game server works the same way. You need to have a host to maintain the server open, so you need someone with the game open on the computer all day. You can buy various hosts to keep the game open for you and your friends; Or you can let the game open in another computer that you have. Some games like ark have a program that let the server running for you but it still needs a computer on so it is really not a solution

[stiff stag]

Yeah, the burden of setting up and maintaining dedicated servers for people should not be forced onto the developers if they don't want to do that. Find a 3rd party that's already willingly providing the service instead.

[wanton atlas]

@stiff lava that option already exists in multiple forms

the only option that doesn't exist is us (iron gate studios) hosting free servers for players

[languid ibex]

🚫 💡 ⌛

[hybrid gull]

#suggestions message
just to clarify this: it's an exploit, but since we both have the archery target and TWIG, it might be intended?

[viral kraken]

Tilling the ground is 100% part of farming.

[shadow crow]

Anyone who’s tried planting tomatoes in untilled soil can attest

[wanton atlas]

Tomatoes?

[shadow crow]

Real life tomatoes

[hybrid gull]

my concern is about the exploit

[viral kraken]

Not exactly an exploit

[hybrid gull]

I'm fully aware tilling the soil is part of farming, it's just from the point of view of the game, just spamming "till soil" or "grow grass" in the same spot sounds stupid

[wanton atlas]

you got 1 upvote tho

[hybrid gull]

"yes, I'm gaining plenty of experience trying to grow grass in the same spot that already had grass when I came here"

[viral kraken]

I, uh, don’t think I like who that upvote was from… 👀

[hybrid gull]

like, even if you allow tilling soil towards farming skill, you could still just alternate till/grass to exploit the system

which is why I suggested the removal of both

[viral kraken]

So, punish the ones who don’t take advantage of such, for the few who do?

I build a farm, and it’s nice that the effort of building it is rewarded by xp. Spamming a thing to level said skill I find to be a waste of time

[hybrid gull]

I don't think you can compare the exp gained from tilling with the exp gained from actual farming

[viral kraken]

It’s a nice bonus

[wanton atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/let-the-hate-flow-through-you-your-hate-has-made-you-powerful-emperor-palpatine-star-wars-gif-15799521

[hybrid gull]

with a single square of tilled soil you can plant something like 9 seeds at least

but why should I wait for my seeds to grow when I can just spam

[viral kraken]

I… I can’t respond with my own GIF… so sad

[hybrid gull]

this is to say that arguing you gain experience there is a weak argument since yes, you're gaining exp, but not as much compared to actual farming, so reducing it to zero is a very small price to pay

[languid ibex]

You can 😛

[viral kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

What?!? I could have sworn the last time I tried it didn’t embed…

[languid ibex]

It's not a big deal, I'm sitting on thousands of seeds, the rate of seed acquisition already allows for mass skill gain if one chooses to do so.

[viral kraken]

This

[hybrid gull]

@elder venture I would assume a bear cape is pretty heavy and warm, which would grant the cold resistance status, which in turn would make the use of frost resist potions once you get to the mountains pretty pointless

thanks for always missing the point, Omni

it's one thing if you actually farm all those seeds, and another is to spam a button

[languid ibex]

You do realize it's one press to plant a seed?

[elder venture]

🤷🏻‍♂️ I’m not worried about what it does, only how it looks

[hybrid gull]

the process is different

[viral kraken]

And seeds are easily gained through various means, no farming necessary

Gathering wood? Loads of seeds

[languid ibex]

It's not, you don't even need to till for tree seeds, one of the faster seeds to gain in mass.

You could just run around planting them freely.

[hybrid gull]

uh, yeah, I'm not even gonna attempt to make you see the logic

[languid ibex]

I understand you think it's an exploit, but the grind is the grind in this case. It'd take the same effort as focusing that skill in any other way.

[hybrid gull]

definitely not. you can reach lv100 much faster by spamming instead of actual planting

I don't even need to test that out or bring out the numbers

[languid ibex]

You really can't, you can just spam click seeds.

[hybrid gull]

I already tried more than I said I wouldn't

[elder venture]

He thinks you have to plant the seeds properly

[viral kraken]

Also, exploits, especially minor ones, really don’t have much impact on a non-competitive game

[hybrid gull]

the issue is not even about the seeds, but hey, that's how things work with him

then don't call it exploit but un-intended behaviour, if that makes you happy 😂

[languid ibex]

There's also no realistic fix here, it's not like when you deconstruct something and there's a skill gain debuff applied quietly, because both tilling and planting grass aren't a removal necessarily.

[viral kraken]

Like, if you get level 100 farming by spamming cultivate, why is that an issue? It doesn’t affect the overall balance of the game in a significant way

[hybrid gull]

I said you can gain exp from planting grass on grass that was never removed in the first place

[viral kraken]

It doesn’t give you an unfair edge on other players

[languid ibex]

You can do this with seeds.

[hybrid gull]

you're dumb

[languid ibex]

You're upset.

[hybrid gull]

I'm baffled

[languid ibex]

Have a flower. 💐

I planted thousands.

[rose swan]

And now your farming is 100? 👀

[viral kraken]

?!

[languid ibex]

English only flag?

[languid ibex]

9001

[viral kraken]

Maybe?

[peak bronze]

You might have gotten slapped by automod for having non-English word.

[viral kraken]

Would explain why my screen showed timeout for a split second lol

Anyway, back to work lol. “Bye”
-# stares at automod

[sick breach]

Reminds me of when i was discussing on here whether the nudity of the bear armor was only embraced by the community because it was female nudity. I wrote a post suggesting that the people who saw nothing wrong with the female bear armor would object if the male bear armor had their vikings running around without pants.

The post got blocked for referencing the peener.

[zenith sand]

dang 😔

i see why they'd do it for other contexts, but that context was a little harsh tbh. can't change it now, but oh well (justifiable usage of automod if it was automod)

[languid ibex]

Yeah not a thing imo, SCUM allows full nudity for both, and dudes just argue about their character's size

[wanton atlas]

Ciao is flagged

ciao ciao

[viral kraken]

Interesting

[sick breach]

I just enjoyed the supreme irony and gave up on the discussion.

[cursive forge]

given it was a non issue, people do not care about the 2 pixels that make them nude. Man or woman.

[sick breach]

You can do a search in the suggestions to see how much of a "non-issue" it was for some.

[sick breach]

Uh huh

[rose swan]

Lots of hostility in discussions recently 🤔

[light fractal]

I can get farming exp with the cultivate option?

[stark furnace]

yea and also the grass option

so if you really want you can spam that for a few hours and get farming 100

[light fractal]

Well now that I think about it, I dont really care all that much. I get all the barley I need easily

Its cooking I wanna improve

[dim cosmos]

I imagined old witch with litle hause on big turtle that could sel some shit or have some quests or literaly anything

[rigid rivet]

trophies have been getting so much use as of recent updates. trinkets, fishing bait, armor... i think theyve got enough uses. if you have too many trophies just obliterate for free coal

[ember hedge]

or decoration

[hybrid gull]

and if you really don't need a certain trophy and can't use it in any recipe, you can just dump it into the incinerator and get some useful coal back (though coal itself isn't that rare of a commodity either, but at least it can be "used up", unlike a trophy)

[languid ibex]

Rick
if you have too many trophies just obliterate for free coal

[weak jasper]

I just wanted to ask, but have you already finished talking about the pond and the waterfall? I wonder if it's difficult.

[languid ibex]

I don't think anyone was talking about it, I would assume because most people that frequent the suggestion channels know that natural waterfalls aren't going to happen. Ponds already generate naturally though.

[weak jasper]

I've never seen a pond that isn't tar.

[languid ibex]

They're out there 👍

[errant mauve]

I dont envy the person trying to code moving water in Valheim lol

The engine might be a limiting factor
Plus as always when this stuff gets brought up, its always a case of, it would break some peoples builds

[languid ibex]

Flowing liquid is a thing, it's just used for tar. Fairly certain no one is trying to code moving water in Valheim, so no worries there.

[hybrid gull]

Ponds in that sense do not exist, unfortunately. What Omni refers to as ponds are simply inland, low-height patches of land that let water appear at the bottom because of the low height. You can't have water, say, atop a hill.

[wanton atlas]

you can, but adding another instance / resource heavy thing to the game just for "looks" isn't the best idea 🤔

[dim cosmos]

In case of trophy use i think theyre a bit ...
Like all you can do w them is decorate
Few of them have use for crafting
But what else ? You obliterate them ? Thats quite bs imo

Or rather obliterator it self is even more bs

[lofty wave]

They shouldn't be too useful with how rare some of them are

[dim cosmos]

Look game clearly have not enouch use for lot of items
Trophies are basicaly garbage that most ppl just throw out cos they just take spot in so smal inventory

Few of them are nice for decoration

[weak jasper]

Human imagination is infinite.

[dim cosmos]

Idk i think this situation have good and easy solution but posting that in suggestion im sure it will get downwoted like shit cos looks like 90% of suggestions good or bad get just downwoted

[weak jasper]

I understand how you feel.

[dim cosmos]

Imagination yes but stupidity too

since it just looks like ppl playing that game are against anything and everything good or bad

[weak jasper]

It's not that I am learning programming. So while my idea might seem good from an amateur's perspective, I understand that developing it would require a tremendous amount of effort. I hope it can serve as a starting point for ideas that can positively impact the game at a low cost. I recognize that this is the nature of a place for discussion.

[languid ibex]

I see plenty of upvotes, even your latest has far more upvotes than down. 🤨

[hybrid gull]

you could just not pick up those trophies in the first place...

[shadow crow]

Sacrilege!

[uncut linden]

I remember talking to my friend and we had the same idea about trophies. They're a bit rare, and it can be a struggle to get enough common drops you need. Being able to break them down into just one or two of the enemy's common drops would be nice, like a little bonus.
I'm thinking you do it at the food prep table XD (JK it would clog up food crafting a ton)

I know not everyone shares this thought, just thought it was funny it came up

[shadow crow]

Must pick up all the shinies

[weak jasper]

I think resource recycling is important in survival games. You want to make use of every bit of material without waste. You could just turn it into charcoal, though.

[dim cosmos]

ye weird anyway i mean about guy that want to dive under water for example im not long enouch here to give better

[languid ibex]

Yeah, in that way, trophies can fuel braziers, craft banners/signs, and smelt metal. Pretty useful to be fair. Not to mention, they can save you time/effort where gathering coal is concerned as well.

[dim cosmos]

thats exactly what i was imagining obliterator is such bullshit , why it cant even give 1 coal per 1 wood at least ... but anyway why ?
imagine some thing like sacrifice or something like that for odin you are killing his enemies so let me make altar for sacrifice of normal trophies and especially boss trophies which are nice for decorating but again usseles
if you make altar give you something special or just mob drop it vould be much more usseful than fking coal...
but again lot of items have few uses so getting more items with no use is pointless

but this vould make killing boss again for something you can get from sacrifice worth it

[hybrid gull]

because you can already get 1 coal per every wood you have by using the kiln

you get 1 coal every 5 wood in the obliterator

[dim cosmos]

yes but using kiln is anoying why cant i throw 50 wood on obliterator and get 50 coal

[hybrid gull]

that's because one takes time, the other does that much quicker, but you're not supposed to be using the obliterator specifically to get coal

[dim cosmos]

and again why vould i want fking coal ?

[languid ibex]

Because the Kiln would be rendered useless.

[dim cosmos]

it is usseles af

[hybrid gull]

it's a niche tool blocked behind an optional trader

[languid ibex]

Banners, signs, brazier crafting/fuel, crafting forges, and smelting metal. All things that never stop being relevant.

[dim cosmos]

ever heard of surtling spawners ? why would i want to make coal any other way than dig hole in surtling spawner and afk few minutes ?

[hybrid gull]

if you turn fire hazards on, or even if you like hunting more than anything else, you can still get plenty of coal, so in that sense I agree the kiln is pretty useless overall

but it's part of the basic smelting system

[languid ibex]

Right, it's just not how everyone gathers coal, where the obliterator could effectively make a case for being the only choice.

[dim cosmos]

or why vould you play with kiln when u have spawners ? which are the easiest to make farm from ?

[hybrid gull]

pretty sure they don't spawn so fast you can sustain any more than one smelter

[languid ibex]

That's also why I don't actively rely on surtling farms, and just utilize 4 kilns to feed 3 smelters, that way I've always got more than needed to keep them running.

[dim cosmos]

looks more like they added obliterator so player can get rid of usseles items which is good i have no problem w it its just not worth it imo

[hybrid gull]

then don't buy it, you're not forced to

it's not like it costs that much either, but you know...

[languid ibex]

Alright, you can keep your items it's not going to alter your course drastically, it'd just be helpful to deal with overflow.

[dim cosmos]

i found 3 so close together and even if no afk fking hour and place crafting bench they wont despawn

[hybrid gull]

also, I checked, and surtling respawn every 5 minutes, which is a lot: if you're lucky, you're getting almost a full stack of coal every full day (30 minutes) of IRL time

well, okay, you got a good setup, but you can't rely on luck for the entire game or playerbase

[languid ibex]

I've a swamp with about 8 spawners in a nice loop, and that can net quite a bit with starred surtlings in the mix.

[dim cosmos]

now we have overflow cos there is nothing to use items on but later when they hopefully add more things items will have use

[hybrid gull]

I genuinely don't understand why you can just not pick up stuff, if you're complaining about garbage items...

all the stuff I keep that I don't use is stuff I plan on destroying later for some extra coal, usually, because that's how the system was built and that's how you're "supposed" to play the game within the game's limits

protip: you can turn auto-pickup items off

[dim cosmos]

im not complaining about garbage items i just dont think that obliterator is a good way to use trophies specificaly just to get 1 coal boss or not

[languid ibex]

The game somewhat teaches you that everything has a use, even trophies(first boss sacrifice). So it's perfectly natural that players opt into storing most things.

[hybrid gull]

uh... as I said, it's only there "just in case" you wanna use it

the game also teaches you that you hardly need more than a few sacrificial items at first, and even if bonemass requires 10 bones, those items are plentiful, which I wouldn't really call a "teaching" in the first place

[dim cosmos]

how can you say everything have use when game is in early acces

its clearly gonna get more of everything

[hybrid gull]

and if you're filling up your chests with boar trophy stacks and you're complaining about garbage, the problem probably lies within you, not the system/game

[languid ibex]

I didn't say that, I said the game teaches you that. Overflow or not, everything can be utilized at one point or another.

[lofty wave]

The same biome has boar trophies which don't have a use for anything

[languid ibex]

Coal, & decor.

[hybrid gull]

the point was that "the game teaches you everything has a use" is false

[languid ibex]

What's one thing that doesn't have a single use?

[hybrid gull]

if you include decor, sure, everything does

[languid ibex]

Well, it's included because you can decorate.

[hybrid gull]

boar trophies have no practical use

as many other trophies in general, which is the main issue brought up, I believe

[dim cosmos]

lets not say single use but there is lot of items that could clearly have much more uses

[hybrid gull]

to which I replied you can just not pick them up in the first place or throw them away

[languid ibex]

No the issue was that coal feels useless as a return from the obliterator.

[hybrid gull]

I'm surely not gonna fill my chests with greydwarf eyes just because I keep running into them everywhere, am I?

[languid ibex]

More is always nice, but Valheim isn't exactly ever expanding.

[languid ibex]

It depends, if you build portals often enough you could see them as incredibly handy.

[hybrid gull]

I wanna see how often someone uses an entire wooden chest full of greydwarf eyes in their entire playthrough...

[dim cosmos]

game is good and they should add some stuff in base game but ofc there will be mods

[languid ibex]

I use about 3-4 chests myself, portal hub buildings are something I enjoy making at every landmass.

[hybrid gull]

"chests", not "stacks", full of greydwarf eyes? That's like... between 150 and 200 portals total

[dim cosmos]

you picked realy bad item for this since greydwarf eyes are used as fuel for blue lights

[hybrid gull]

fair, I never use those

[dim cosmos]

so if you use a lot you have use for them

[hybrid gull]

but early game you don't have access to those torches, so I assume you store a few stacks away and that's it, you don't keep stashing away more and more of them

[dim cosmos]

wdym expanding ? will deepnorth be last update of game ?

[hybrid gull]

yes

[languid ibex]

It's said to be the last biome yes, but updates aren't confirmed to be stopped.

[hybrid gull]

or rather, it will be the last biome. Whether there will be any more updates is to be seen

[languid ibex]

In fact one of the developers said they aren't against updating Valheim forever.

[dim cosmos]

well i know it will be last biom but it who said its last update ? what if they want to get out all the bioms and then expandt thier content

[languid ibex]

Perhaps, but that can only be speculated.

[hybrid gull]

this is no longer a topic for this channel

[dim cosmos]

ye look there can be special little bioms or some variations of existing

deepnorth will be last biom in dimension we are living 😄 what if they add some different dimension or something ? i mean its a game its stupid to limit yourself by trying to be realistic

[languid ibex]

Yeah, we're saying there's no disclosed limits.

[dim cosmos]

imagine they add something like skyrim gods where you can make shrines for some gods to get thier favor etc...
or Loki's pranks where you can find portal to some pocket dimension with unlimited bioms and chalenges

[pale ocean]

Literally forsaken power with extra steps

The point of valheim is you're in the testing ground you dont have gods favor until you pass the testing ground

[shadow crow]

It’d be nice if the forsaken power grew more powerful the more offerings you’ve left. Not by a lot, but some way to reflect the gods’ favor.

[pale ocean]

You should be able to upgrade each power by fighting a harder version of it

[shadow crow]

Also a neat idea!

[dim cosmos]

forsaken powers are quite booring and should be reimagined imo

[lofty wave]

they were all changed in call to arms

[dim cosmos]

i mean i dont want fking atom to drop on my feet when i press F but stat boosts are so booring in every game

[pale ocean]

That and 25% upkeep in most cases makes them kinda ass

There's literally no reason elder shouldn't be a passive effect

[dim cosmos]

ye imagine if you could build sacrfical stones or something like that and if you have trophies there you also get some passive effects they could work only for like 25 in game or irl days

[pale ocean]

Like what am i supposed to do with 5 minutes of tree chopping that's USELESS bro and health regen is such a bad stat

Eikthyr can stay 5 minutes
Bonemass can stay 5 minutes
Elder should be 20 or just always on
Moder Should be 10
Yagluth can stay at 5 but reduce its cooldown to 15
Queen should be 10
Fader should be 15

[dim cosmos]

i mean they look and feel more like starting point for the "forsaken powers system" i mean stat boosts ... moder wind change is most interesting

[pale ocean]

getting rid of it is strange to me

[viral kraken]

Interesting, the last I’d heard they weren’t planning on endless updates.

They wanted to finish and move onto new projects

[quartz totem]

I think the changing to the Forsaken Powers were really great. However, I think it would be more interesting if the power was "split" into passive and active.
Passive it would just have a small bonus whereas active it would "deactivate" the passive and for the next 5 min it be the active part:
for example: Elder's passive = +60% Chop and Pickaxe damage increase. If the F button would be pressed, now active, the following bonus would take over its passive bonus: +30% health regeneration increase.
The +60% Chop and Pickaxe damage increase is no longer there and only the +30% health regeneration increase is.
All other powers now have utility AND combat status, so splitting them could be a thing.

[quartz totem]

And why would they? I mean, the whole linear loop is basically complete.

[languid ibex]

This might get a bit complex with the amount of stat influence going on, and maybe just have the powers activated less because they're always activated with a passive. I could see this being done with a bit more cost though. Like a trinket built with a forsaken trophy and retooled to allow for a passive feeling, but ultimately requiring that trinket slot.

[muted berry]

Greetings! Since Discord and Twitter didn't allow me to write everything at once due to the character limit, I'm attaching the file.
My friends and I have spent an incredible amount of time playing Valheim. Personally, I’ve completed the game five times through and through, each playthrough lasting at least 400 in-game days. We wanted to share some of our wishes and issues through this collective letter — it includes opinions from six people, haha.
Sorry if some of these ideas have already been brought up before — we simply wanted to express our own take on them after countless hours in Valheim.

[rose swan]

Agree on chickens

[lament zinc]

That roadmap had been called obsolete by the devs since before the H&H update.

So bringing it up to point out where something is, is completely pointless.

[wanton atlas]

mhm

[muted berry]

It's strange cose they essentially made most of the map updates

[stone citrus]

Vendor inventory expansion 👀
Vendor inventory expansion
Or
Vendor inventory expansion 👀
Guess we'll never know until

[viral kraken]

Considering it’s an outdated roadmap, my bet is we’ll never know

[stone citrus]

🎰 bet? You'll lose it

[stark furnace]

Dad blues gazed into the crystal ball and the crystal ball stared back at him 🔮

[dim cosmos]

The stupidity of ppl is unlimited as i said b4 ...
Please for love of Odin tell me why would you downwote a normal suggestion of adding building materials and stuff for building in general in game where building is half of the fkin gameplay

[random monolith]

Personally I like the limitations of what you're able to use for building because finding new, fancier materials as you progress is satisfying

[mellow pawn]

In the past I've downvoted suggestions for building additions for example because I have felt they wouldn't fit the game, or they would in my opinion just add unnecessary clutter. I would advice not taking the votes too personally, sometime just the wording can affect how people respond to a suggestion.

[stone citrus]

If you asked me in early 2021 what I think about magic
I would have said it doesn't fit

imo
Downvotes should be removed from suggestions
Just keep thumbs up and recycle

Since 90% of downvotes are duds

🐻

[dim cosmos]

I dont realy mean my downwotes and ye agree this suggestion system is bad id like if it was like in vrising suggesions where ppl can say under suggestion why its bs
So there is actualy some discusion about it cos here in this room it will get lost so easy
Game clearly need more building materials or atleast different textires for existing ones
But thats my opinion ...

[dim cosmos]

Idk any idea is an idea ppl stay in viking theme they dont ask for helicopters
Magic is part of game already problem is you have nothing early but not much feom different weapons either

[stone citrus]

I was agreeing with you by the way
On how that mindset is silly
Magic is absolutely a great addition to the game

Never forget
They downvoted and had a crusade against bears
The same people

But in the end, everyone should write whatever they want no matter how much they "disagree"
Irongate never misses 🐻

[somber totem]

bear is more tanky than troll 💀

[stone citrus]

Tanked straight through the criticism 🔮

[somber totem]

real

[languid ibex]

My guesses- it's a list format, which isn't allowed.
There are already brick walls, made of stone, black marble and grausten. (None of which require clay, plaster or straw)
There are multiple unclear ideas in one bullet point.
The final suggestion listed strays wildly from the topic presented, but also asks for enchants that already exist.

[somber totem]

I only wish we get vertical variat of 26 degrees parts

[stone citrus]

👎 ‼️

[somber totem]

I wanna do cone roofs 😂

[languid ibex]

They're teasing new roof pieces with deep north, they look far steeper.

[somber totem]

yea but what about the BEAMS. if I could use 64 degrees beam i would save so much room and would make build even more epic

[languid ibex]

Yes there are typically beams to match the roof pieces.

[somber totem]

yea so if we got that kind of variatns for other roofs it would make builds even better

[pale ocean]

People in this server downvote the most basic quality of life suggestions ever

I've seen like maybe 10 ideas that were overally liked

The one guy that wanted to remove xp for changing dirt then getting down nuked into hell was funny to watch

[languid ibex]

So you scrolled up a handful of times? I counted over 10 from just the last 4 days.

[pale ocean]

Fair enough

[languid ibex]

That truly makes no sense to change, some people will be utilizing that function legitimately on mass, it should still benefit them.

[pale ocean]

Exactly

Or the one dude raging about mosquitoes 😭

That's just a skill issue bro

[somber totem]

root harness moment 😂

[pale ocean]

Bug repellent

[languid ibex]

Yeah, that was a bit much, it was essentially- 'this thing happened to me once and I was so mad, fix your game!!!'

[pale ocean]

Also i literally never use root chest because its ugly

[somber totem]

I dont use that stuff, I just tank it 😂

[pale ocean]

I mean i dont need it at my level but its not like mosquitoes are exactly hard to avoid

They lock in and just b line even with a plains level shield parry whop

If you cant? Dodge shoot

Legitimately it has One attack

[somber totem]

I still use that on mistlands cuz seekers do nothing to me (except when they use their blunt attack )

2 heavy + root harness

[pale ocean]

But its SOOOO UGLY MAN

[somber totem]

why, to me it looks nice

[pale ocean]

With the whole set

The chest with carapace? Hell nah

And i mean how many enemies actually do pierce late game?

Genuinely asking

Also im assuming resistance happens first then armor

[lofty wave]

Every enemy in ashlands except for asksvins, lava blobs and voltures have pierce on some or all of their attacks.
In mistlands, ticks only deal pierce, dvergr rogues have pierce from their crossbow, seekers deal pierce on some attacks and seeker broods deal pierce too.
The queen has pierce on two attacks and all of fader's melee attacks are pierce.

[lofty wave]

Resistance is applied before armor

[pale ocean]

I mean their stabs yea ig but dont they mostly swing because stabs are so slow

Takes 8000 years for a stab to happen

[lofty wave]

Which enemy

[pale ocean]

Any of the melee skeletons in ashlands

[lofty wave]

Yes only the thrust and thrust feint deal pierce

[pale ocean]

Morgens are weird because i wouldn't imagine pierce from them

[languid ibex]

Damage types aren't attack based

[lofty wave]

What do you mean?

[languid ibex]

Different attacks don't do different damage types.

[lofty wave]

Enemies use separate identical-looking or invisible weapons for each attack, they don't have multiple attacks on a single weapon like a player

Enemies have an inventory just like the player and their attacks are stored as items inside

[languid ibex]

How is this relevant? 😛

[lofty wave]

why were you bringing this up?

[half maple]

I would really like armour slots. Wearing armour or not is barely a choice so it feels like 4 slots are constantly taken from me.

[languid ibex]

Loafy had mentioned understanding that charred stab and that makes sense to do pierce damage.

[pale ocean]

Yea they do?

[languid ibex]

I think you read this as "attacks don't do different damage types"

[pale ocean]

That's what it says

[languid ibex]

Different attacks.

AKA Slash Swipe as opposed to Lunge

[hybrid gull]

glad I gave you laugh, then

[pale ocean]

Yes

It was rather funny

[pale ocean]

You mean that like hold on
(All slashes do one type all stabs do one type)

Is that what you're meaning

[pale ocean]

Is this a joke or some elite knowledge im learning

[hybrid gull]

something tells me it's neither

[lofty wave]

Why would I joke about it all creatures have an inventory and all enemy attacks are items. Most of them can be spawned with commands although many don't have a model so you won't see them infront of you, and they don't have icons assigned so you can't pick them up.

Try spawning a draugr axe now

[stark furnace]

It is elite ball knowledge

[lofty wave]

or any other attack

[pale ocean]

Fair enough

I dont use commands really the only time i did was when i switched from xbox to pc so i could level a character to where i was

Other than that i dont meddle in hammer mode or commands often

[wanton atlas]

what are you on about? 🤔

[lofty wave]

Enemy attacks are items that are stored in their inventories

[wanton atlas]

um

you mean monsters spawn in with randomized weapons loadout?

[lofty wave]

Every enemy attack is an item not just the weapon loadouts

although armor and accessories such as stone golem hat are also items in their inventories

[wanton atlas]

well. technically you're correct

[hybrid gull]

#suggestions message what would crabs even be used for in the first place? Just aesthetics?

[lament zinc]

Or something giving your character a permanent itch at certain places. shudders

[wanton atlas]

to rave?

[hybrid gull]

lmao, my first thought was that as well

[wanton atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-rave-gif-27622028

[languid ibex]

Maybe crabs could carry a secret burger formula

[rose swan]

Crabs have potential 🪩 🦀 🍔

[pale ocean]

Crabs getting downvoted needs an explanation

I dont get why people are opposed to crabs

[pale ocean]

More than troll hide i guess 💀
I'd make an early game crab shield and food

[languid ibex]

I think it's the suggestion that needs an explanation

[hybrid gull]

you sure you're not one of the ?

[pale ocean]

Fair but like use your imagination

[sick breach]

I imagine crabs on the shore of meadows, doing exactly what necks do for the game and adding nothing new, just more item bloat.

[hybrid gull]

I truly lack imagination for not being able to see how a crab could be more useful than a troll

[pale ocean]

That or OR big ass crabs in the deep north that you ice fish

Nothing unrealistically big

[pale ocean]

Even if this is sarcasm correct

[sick breach]

See the deep north detail might have made me more willing to upvote.

[pale ocean]

I just figured people would assume what makes most sense

Ice fishing or meadows nothing else makes sense

[hybrid gull]

why would I consider content that hasn't even come out yet

[sick breach]

Yeah, better to have a specific vision for suggestions.

[pale ocean]

Noted

[pale ocean]

Because that's the best time to ponder and suggest things

And i mean you dont imagine a crab shield or usable crab meat

[hybrid gull]

we already have bear meat which has a very limited use, so even more food sounds redundant and bloating

[pale ocean]

That's on the devs for not giving it a use

[hybrid gull]

and a crab shield doesn't sound like the brightest idea, but I guess it could be possible

[pale ocean]

Why not

[hybrid gull]

you should ask yourself "why yes" instead

[pale ocean]

Because its cool

[hybrid gull]

because the "why not" is way too big

[pale ocean]

Give me one reason why not

[hybrid gull]

because it doesn't make any sense

and you haven't provided any specific reason why it should be implemented either

[pale ocean]

Because crabs are cool and explain why it doesn't make sense

It's not like crabs are anti norse bro

[hybrid gull]

food is out of the question, shields made of crabs sounds dumb and I wanna see you make one IRL if you can

I'm not an expert of norse mythology, but something tells me there aren't that many stories about crabs

[pale ocean]

...uhhh I'd like to see you make an axe that shoots thunderbolts

[hybrid gull]

that's magic

[pale ocean]

Crab buckler

[hybrid gull]

and the concept of shooting lightning isn't anything new, many myths use it

you provided no logic at all and expect a logical argument against that?

[pale ocean]

If there's magic why can't i have magic crabs

Is there a reason there CANT be

[hybrid gull]

what is magic in the first place?

because magic != anything is possible

it generally boils down to bending the laws of nature, not altering them completely from the ground-up

[pale ocean]

Crabs are natural

[hybrid gull]

so you can't even use magic to justify them

glad we agree on that

[pale ocean]

Bending nature is bending crab

'why crabs" same reason you can carry 5 trees of wood and jump 6 feet high in full plate

Because its a video game and it would be cool

[hybrid gull]

at least carrying materials around is justified by all the building you're supposed to be doing, and the jump height can be passed as "athletic prowess"

you just want crabs for the meme

[pale ocean]

I dont deny that

Doesn't always need to be uber logical sometimes fun things can exist simply because they're fun

[rose swan]

Th suggestion probably got downvoted for lack of details 🤔
(the crab one)

[somber totem]

people downvote building blocks which give no downside, just more building optunities

[rose swan]

#suggestions message This one?

[somber totem]

not that exactly cuz it is just "crabs"

[rose swan]

My initial assumption is that people don’t like the framing of the suggestion. “There’s so little for the amount of game” is subjective, and I would guess many players find that to be inaccurate.

But yeah, as far as crabs go, I think they’d be neat. But without any details to go on… I can see why it would get ignored/downvoted

[peak bronze]

Not everything should be added just because "it's cool".

[rose swan]

Indeed, there’s a lot of suggestions that are cool and would be amazing for Valheim, but sometimes it’s a matter of feasibility

[peak bronze]

-# Although my last suggestion stated the cool factor.

[river rain]

Reaction to the latest "pirates" suggestion.

God daaaaamn yesss.

However, I feel like "pirates" throw people off because it alludes to another time period in history.

Let's say raiders instead. As the Vikings were pretty much pirates, they were called "raiders" instead.

[rose swan]

Coolness can be definitely be a factor, but it shouldn’t be the factor

[rose swan]

For me, it would depend on the environment and conditions in which the raiders are encounter. I think any sort of boat combat in the current state would be hard to make quality.

But even then, I’m still really iffy on the whole pirate/raider thing, idk

[peak bronze]

Tbf battleaxes are the coolest weapons.

[rose swan]

Without a doubt

[peak bronze]

Last suggestion was bronze battleaxe.

[light fractal]

id argue that the coolest weapons are frost arrows, frostner, and himminafl

[stark furnace]

[rose swan]

Frostner is an extremely cool weapon for sure 😎

[somber totem]

when mjölnir? 💀

[light fractal]

I dont think we should get that weapon. Its Thor's hammer, and Thor is in the game

[pale oasis]

"Add ocean content" is the new "add inventory spaces"

[somber totem]

proof vados is trolling, made bait suggestion and cought him in 4k 😂

[light fractal]

who is vados?

[light fractal]

ok but... like... how does it matters?

[somber totem]

thats a neat part it doesn't

[tranquil kindle]

What's wrong with more Ocean content?

[somber totem]

just personal opinion, I dont wanna more ways to die in water beside the sea serpent

but they could make more uses for barnicles

and serpant scales

[tranquil kindle]

Or they could add more systems similar like Leviathan. You farm the stuff from it and it will start to submerge.

[sick breach]

#suggestions message

I like the idea of a spear, but i feel barnacle swords/atgeirs are stretching the kind of shapes one can make out of a barnacle.

[shadow crow]

Unless it’s crafted like a macuahuitl (Mesoamerican obsidian sword) where it’s a wooden base with razor-sharp fragments of chitin embedded along its length

[pale oasis]

There's nothing wrong with more ocean content, it's just been recommended a lot lately. I also think it's kind of weird that it's rarely small suggestions but entire expansion-worth of content. And pirates/viking ships at sea is probably the most common.

[peak bronze]

I would be fine with few more sea monsters appearing gradually due progressing bosses in game, maybe some special POIs too.
No for boss tho.

[lapis gust]

My man is clearly a ds3 data enjoyer, biggest crab fan

[somber totem]

aztecs made swords out of obsydian, I am having similar idea out of barnicle

just bits stuck to the base for slashing

@smoky hatch it is kinda already in the game but at ashlands

adding elements to the weapons

[ashen tinsel]

Wouldn't mind some consumables for temporary melee effects though. Poisoned blades or surtling charges for fire.

[somber totem]

yea, like in elden ring

[sick breach]

Agreed, though not exactly on brand for vikings.

[shadow crow]

😐

[somber totem]

everyone could stick some sharp things into the weapon

[pale ocean]

Why do you even need temporary weapons

Like basically its "cheap and good but breaks"
Or
"Cheap and bad and doesn't break"

[stark furnace]

Don’t we do this with the abyssal razor pretty much?

[sick breach]

With the razor we basically have a blade where we've wrapped part of the body in wood/leather to make a handle, it still seems to be just one solid piece of chitin.

[crimson dock]

Second trinket slot that is unlocked after x boss is defeated

Rather than having it from the start

[lament zinc]

Don't worry. Sooner or later someone brings up a suggestion about trinket slo........

Oh, nvm.

[static vigil]

@sick smelt #suggestions message
I do like the idea... from what I gathered about mist in general this would be impossible due to technical constraints tho, or in other words lead to 0.1 FPS on most machines

[sick smelt]

yeah i figured, a viking can only dream tho xD

[ashen tinsel]

Might actually be a good middle ground to not tank performance, since there'd be 2-3 small mist clear zones rather than one that's megabase-sized like what keeps being suggested

[stiff stag]

Thing is even if there weren't technical limitations/performance issues, increasing the amount that gets cleared would be minimal at best, since they fully intend to keep it as an enclosed space that still limits your view (the wisplight is just to give you some vision instead of practically none).

And given how the mist clearing mechanic works, an arrow that clears it would essentially be pointless/useless, since the mist would immediately retract after the arrow passes by, due to nothing being there to continue pushing it away (it wouldn't keep clearing the mist just because you want it to work that way). At best it would be used as ranged placement of wisp torches, where it would clear mist at the spots the arrows land at.

[static vigil]

From what I gather it's switching between mist and no mist that causes issues... Having a static area devoid of mist is fine (take all other biomes as example) but moving large amounts of mist in real time apparently causes performance issues

...Having said that, it would be insanely epic to see an enemy as you fire a random arrow right past them into the mist

[languid ibex]

Tears of the Kingdom did something similar when attaching Brightbloom Seeds to an arrow, it'd permanently plant the seed and light the area. If it were changed up to instead be a permanent mist clearing on impact, that could be more viable. That said, it definitely shouldn't be available until after the Queen is defeated.

https://tenor.com/view/joseph-anderson-tears-of-the-kingdom-depths-light-dark-gif-87980442333643290

[stiff stag]

Yeah, being able to safely clear a path from a distance while standing still should be available later than the other options if such a thing were to be added.

[sick smelt]

In regards to in retraining thats the point, I ment it as a way to quickly see routes to take, see if there's a huge drop infront of you or a sheer cliff

[wanton atlas]

so you want to throw mist torches?

[subtle depot]

honestly, any additional option to clear mist would be most welcome, almost regardless of cost or convenience.
arrows that clear a path of mist for a few seconds, a magic staff that does the same...
an upgrade to the wisplight to make the mist you already cleared take more time to return. (or increase its radius, but i know, potato consoles...)
a miniboss that drops the materials for a supercharged whisptorch...
a tree you can plant that clears mist taller up than a torch normally does
upgraded mistwalker attacks or 2ndary attacks clearing a bit of mist in the direction you are facing
a trinket or potion or helmet to see creatures through fog.

Honestly. Anything.

[wanton atlas]

imma say just no to all of those 🤔

the mist removal (pushing) is alot depending on your computers performance

and our low end PC/consoles would start to cry very soon

[subtle depot]

You think the one about delaying the mists return after you clear it with an upgraded whisplight will bog performance?

[wanton atlas]

I grouped all your sayings into one big suggestion and it's a no

I've seen billions of ideas on how to clear, remove, delete the mist

where almost all those people miss the entire point of the mist

[subtle depot]

I didnt want all of them. i wanted any of them. any one of them. or any other possible sollution.
I dont care if it costs 200 flametal and a fader trophy

but oh well... mods it is.

I'm not going to let the most beautiful biome in the game go unseen

[wanton atlas]

the entire thing about mistlands is to give you a feeling of being closed in inside the mist

your suppose to be almost claustrophobic

I've been told by a bunch of players to actually play without the mistlight. and it works suprisingly well

[languid ibex]

Oh not me, I was just suggesting a better method(performance wise) rather than the wisp arrow that clears mist as it travels through the air.

I already have Wisp Torch clearing methods figured out.

[wanton atlas]

A wisp arrow would be to slow pusing the mist from the speed of the arrow movement anyhow

[languid ibex]

Yeah agreed

[subtle depot]

I've done this too, and I agree it works surprisingly well (unless you play without map, then it is a truly unplayable nightmare without the wisplight.

but I don't see why that should apply to after you have beaten the biome, let alone the one after it.

nothing in black forrest can effectively kill you after you get wolf armor
poison resistance in the swamp is a wasted inventory slot if you have padded armor.
with mistlands food you can quite safely ignore the mountains freezing status effect for a long time.
with a trollstaff or slayer, nothing in the plains pose any real threat to you.

and this is me with my hypersafe playstyle

So, I dont think there is a reason why the mist cant be clearable by something unlocked in either the ashlands or deep north

[wanton atlas]

The queen isn't responsible for the mist

she happens to love being inside of it

[subtle depot]

and i dont say it should all dissapear when we beat her

[wanton atlas]

well. she doesn't produce or is in any way responsible for it

so it lighting or partial removal due to her death would be.. wierd

but that's childrens adventure game (like nintendo games) thing.
kill boss, biome/city/country restores back to what it was previously before boss took over

[subtle depot]

i dont say any of the mist should go away when we beat her.
i just say there should be a way to trivialise the inconvenience of the mist with either ashlands or deep north resources.

[wanton atlas]

just like you cannot prevent rain from comming down

you cannot remove the natural mist in mistlands

sorry

[languid ibex]

There is though, Mist Torches are incredibly effective, just make a lamppost structure you can place throughout, and it's cleared.

[wanton atlas]

not remove it

you can push it around

[subtle depot]

that still leaves you with a dense cloud 3 meters over your head, blocking all the gorgeous scenery.

[wanton atlas]

yes. as intended :/

[languid ibex]

By Lamppost structure, I meant something built high. I make a small tower-like build that holds 3-5 Wisp Torches that reach the top of the mist from any depth of the mistlands. I've cleared my entire mistlands where the Queen is this way.

(luckily she spawned in a small isle but the point remains)

[subtle depot]

And i dont because i dont think such structures are beautiful, and that defeats the point of clearing the mist for me.
the point is that the mistless wilderness in the mistlands is among some of the most beautiful natural environments in any game.
but i see this topic is beat to death already and nothing will change the dev's minds...
so ill stick to forcedelete and mods

[languid ibex]

Well, my Mist Torch towers look really nice plotted about the land, but I took the time to design a nice layout for them. I achieved a lovely mist-less area this way, and I use this area for hunting Hares. To each their own though, but I will say that wanting a solution and in the same breath saying 'no not like that,' is a little confusing.

[subtle depot]

a difference in aesthetic preference...
understand that I will not even spawn proof my bases if I think it looks ugly.

I also go 500m from my base for mining, and dont chop down birch trees in the meadows in a 200m radius around my base.
and I mainly chop down the small beech saplings for wood because i dont like the meadows grass in the wooded areas unless it also has trees.

[languid ibex]

I do the same with birch trees, and I also spawn proof in a way that looks good. 😛
I create a ring of watch towers outside of my base for workbenches to sit inside of, and make little aesthetic woodworking/stoneworking/etc. places where spawn proofing needs to happen within my base.

[slender elm]

#suggestions message
was there already a discussion about this one ?

[languid ibex]

What did you want to discuss?

[surreal dragon]

I'm curious why there's so much pushback against my posted expansion idea.

I'm definitely ready to hear some critiques if anyone is willing to discuss it.

[languid ibex]

Personally, it just sounds like another 'I want more' suggestion, without much detail beyond that.

Also, it's not even close to being as simple as handing over Valheim to another team of developers. The amount of behind the scenes work that'd entail is gigantic, not to mention the current team just losing artistic integrity with their collective vision.

@hybrid gull You can block cancel a bow, but anything else could feel a bit too easy imo. If you can cancel attacks, there's no timing left to consider other than the moment you're going to be hit, and you can just spam attacks.

[surreal dragon]

I didn't realize wanting more was frowned upon. It wasn't meant as some sort of a "gimmie gimmie" sort of post. Just an avenue when the engagement dwindles after deep north.

I also didn't realize only simple suggestions were well-recieved. Is this crowd looking more for simple code tweaks and low-hanging fruits? I'm new here and haven't mined through the past posts.

[languid ibex]

There's no formula here, though a precise well expanded on idea will be received more reasonably in most cases, rather than 'you should let other developers make dlc, and call it realms.'

You'd get further suggesting an additional realm with more detail, rather than something as broad.

BUT remember, you're just dealing with players mostly, no one can be considered totally correct here.

[surreal dragon]

That wasn't the point of the suggestion; to hand things over to other devs. That was an afterthought added in because i figured the current devs are probably tired of working on the same game.

[languid ibex]

Tired? No, deadlines, yes. Publishers/funding aren't infinite, and they must move on to the next project, there's no funding to hire an entire new team, not to mention trust they can carry the vision on precisely.

[surreal dragon]

I appreciate your responses. Are you on the development team?

So aside from the extra team aspect and funding, the idea of fresh worlds is a bad idea or just over-suggested?

[hybrid gull]

which is why it's not supposed to be an easy way to get out of a pinch: if you're swinging your battleaxe everywhere you can't stop the motion, but if I'm doing half a motion of a one-handed axe I can just stop when my arm is raised to strike, which is by no means unrealistic (even more so if I have a shield equipped)

[rose swan]

The realm suggestion is essentially just loading a new world 🤔
The second half of the suggestions implies DLC or Valheim 2

[languid ibex]

No absolutely not, I'm just a player like you, though I've developed many games with teh same engine.
The idea is just underdeveloped.

[surreal dragon]

Where it differs is that it's new. Not just a new save game with the same outcomes.

[languid ibex]

Realism is great, but combat does need a degree of intent behind it, swinging without a care because you can block at any moment sounds far too easy. I could see a small window of allowance at the start of an animation, but the way the suggestion is phrased is just a bit much imo.

[hybrid gull]

I did say it shouldn't be allowed on all weapons and/or attacks, what else am I supposed to add?

I can give a comprehensive list of all weapons and attacks, if that's what you want

[languid ibex]

You're not supposed to do anything, I'm just giving you my thoughts on it.

[surreal dragon]

But also, this wasn't meant as a finalized or even serious suggestion that i would ever expect to happen.

I mentioned it on another server and someone suggest i take it here. It's just a rough idea reminscing about how nice it was to experience the game for the first time.

[hybrid gull]

the idea is that certain motions can and should be allowed to be interrupted

most two-handed weapons would remain untouched anyway

[languid ibex]

Yeah that just does come across as if you can interrupt certain weapons at any time. More block options for weapons that allow for a shield to be present in the first place seems problematic to me.

I could see a 0.2s window on the first combo's attack having the interrupt option being perfectly fine.

As it's suggested though, not a fan.

[languid ibex]

Ah well, welcome! To be clear, for all the people here know, any idea posted could be read by a developer who likes an element within the idea, and we're just giving opinions/speculating.

I would recommend not placing too much importance on what people think here, I've seen many frustrations arise whilst people fight to explain why they made the suggestion.

[surreal dragon]

Iron sharpens iron and i like being critiqued. I just like to understand the thought process behind it. It doesn't help anyone learn anything to just see a bunch of 👎

[languid ibex]

That's a good approach.

[surreal dragon]

Of course, not frustrated at all. Just scratching my curiosity itch.

Which, can easily be taken as frustration by others.

[surreal dragon]

You've helped me this far, could you go a little farther and tell me what the ♻️ implies?

[languid ibex]

Ah that just means it's been suggested before, or something very similar has been suggested before.

[surreal dragon]

Ahhh cool

[rose swan]

Welcome! And yeah, like Omni said, don’t take the voting personally! A lot of users will use this channel to bounce ideas around and refine their thoughts.

[surreal dragon]

100%
I was just surprised it was disliked by so many so quickly lol

[rose swan]

It happens
As far as the suggestion goes, I would personally rather see more resources/effort put into the current biomes before generously expanding into new ones. A whole new realm is a pretty large scope, but could make for a good mod potentially.

[surreal dragon]

What do you mean by resources effort?

[viral kraken]

I simply didn’t perceive it as a method to renew that “new player feel”.
New parts of the same game, don’t really capture the same learning experience. New biomes, or even “realms”, are lovely, but it’s still the same core game. To get the experience you’re looking for would require a new game to be complete. Which I’d rather they put their energy towards, rather than constantly updating this one

[rose swan]

Mostly time that Irongate puts into such a feature, space in the game for things, etc. stuff like that.

If the desire is to re-ignite that ‘fresh feel’, I think a some sort of expert mode/challenge mode would be the way to do it. For comparison, think Terraria or V risings expert mode.

[viral kraken]

V-Rising has an expert mode?

Huh, guess I never finished the regular mode to find that lol

[rose swan]

So I’ve been told, haven’t played myself to confirm

Terraria absolutely does- tougher enemies, new movesets for bosses, mixed up spawning times/location, More Loot!, all sorts of really cool content that goes deeper than just “higher HP and damage”

[viral kraken]

New affects for some of the items iirc

[surreal dragon]

Ahh yeah.. the desire was to re-experience the unknown. Not just more of the same at a higher difficulty.

I started playing back when it was first "released" without any directions or in-game tips. Within a day or two i saw my first troll and had no idea if it was even something you could attack. I plinked it with an arrow and saw it did next to no damage but it was angry. High-stress and panick set in 🤣. I had no idea what i was doing or what was ahead and that is the feeling that would be nice to rekindle. Keep in mind this was before the raven would appear with tips.

A new realm with different physics and possibly different material gathering methods so you don't really know what to expect, would allow for that.

But again, it is unrealistic

[viral kraken]

So, a new game. (Not new world)

[surreal dragon]

Not quite. You'd still be able to travel back and forth and keep your skill levels. Of course, there could various ways to share aspects across the realms. Some things would just be left unknown until discovered.

[viral kraken]

It’s not that “new game feel” if it’s the same game

[surreal dragon]

It is if many of the old assumptions of the first world won't help you in the new. I'm not sure what the changes could be. It's a thought exercize. You may even have some ideas to add to it.

But yeah sort of a new game added to the current game as an expansion that is woven into the first. Perhaps many previous suggestions, from the players here, could be implemented there?

I am excited to see what the devs come up with for their new project. Though, it will almost certainly not be a viking-themed survival game. I bet they've accumulated so many ideas along the way that it will be a real banger.

[sonic musk]

@spiral ice excellent suggestion. I can easily see that being implemented and being a nice addition to ranged combat to allow you to have more diversity in your playstyle. And would be very funny

[wanton atlas]

@real marlin I dont understand a single that ng you wrote. 3PB?? What is a PB?

And 5 in 20 is better than 3 in 40?

Sounds like alot more than alot less to me 🤔

[light fractal]

Peanut butter, obviously

I tried to read it and I think it means "probability". I have no idea what he's trying to say otherwise.

[zenith sand]

just did the maths for the probabilities, the proposed probability is about 3 times larger than the original probability.... (specifically 333.3% larger) hopefully it is probability, because if it was peanut butter i'd take the latter (the initials could also stand for PetaByte, but that might be irrelevant and i'm not sure on the abbreviation for it)

[wanton atlas]

when I math it
5 times in 20 minutes is more than 3 in 40 minutes

and also, it's not how it works 🤔

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk0WB87BM_Q

[zenith sand]

i was saying that the proposed 5 times in 20 minutes is more than 3 times in 40 minutes, but oh well, i guess i can't maths

[subtle depot]

I thought he was talking about player base structures and that the requirement to be raided should be five within 20 meters instead of 3 within 40

he wants to build his base like a spread out town that either wont get raided or only his castle with his main chest storage area will.

as it is now, he would get raided from 2 quite far apart buildings where one has a crafting table and the other has a campfire and a cauldron.

[random monolith]

#suggestions message
I actually love this idea, or something like it at the very least, because it would help distinguish the crossbow from the bow

it would make me actually want to try using crossbows despite them coming so late in the progression and being low leveled

[errant mauve]

Sometimes I think of stuff that I dont even want but at the same time its so deliciously diabolical. How about if Fulings get into your base they steal stuff from your chests.

[hybrid gull]

yeah, that makes sense, but the requirements are a bit weird as he suggested them: in the meadows you quite effectively only need a bed, a crafting table and a campfire. If they increase the PB requirement to 5 you'd almost never get Eikthyr's raid, unless you build a couple torches (all the other PBs csn be crafted only if you step into the Black Forest)

I'd say it's fair to just reduce the radius to something like 20-30 meters, because it's quite rare to build a base in which three PBs are further apart than that distance

40 meters is definitely a lot, and in some rare cases you could start a raid just by being marginally near your base, outside the walls you probably have

heck, I'd even go as far as say that the requirements should be 3 PBs within 10m instead

[languid ibex]

Both of those ideas would result in raids just happening far less due to how much more the parameters would fluctuate between true and false states. 5 base items in range of 20m is going to be mostly achieved within a main base building/crafting area, and you could unknowingly bypass the raid requirements just by building things slightly spaced out in different buildings. 3 base items within 10m is going to become inactive extremely often just moving around inside virtually any base of any size.

[hybrid gull]

my proposition of 10m was a stretch and I'm aware, but keeping the requirement to 3PBs within 20m (the same radius of a basic workbench) sounds more fair than 3PBs within 40m

you can't even use the workbench but it still counts as "being inside the base????"

either increase the workbench's effective radius to 40, or bring down the requirement to match the current workbench radius

@wanton atlas thoughts on reducing the raid requirements of 3 player base structures within 40 meters to 3 within 20 meters?

[languid ibex]

I don't think being able to use something is the balancing factor here to be fair.

[hybrid gull]

if I can't use the workbench, the land I'm standing on is not part of my base

[languid ibex]

It seems it's just a safe range to help ensure that if the player is near their base, they'll get a roll on whether or not a raid happens.

[hybrid gull]

I understand why other PB structures would still have 20m radius, and I'm fine with that

[hybrid gull]

this makes it sound like players want raids, while by lore they are attacks meant to damage you

[languid ibex]

The developers want raids, they don't want to accidentally mitigate their own functions by adding factors that lessen the chance. That is handled by the raid chance itself.

[hybrid gull]

if you want more raids you can either stay all day inside your base or increase raids frequency

[hybrid gull]

you're not a developer, don't speak for them

[languid ibex]

I am a developer, and I can tell you, they don't iron out all these raids to have them be easily avoided or even accidentally.

[hybrid gull]

you're not a developer of Valheim

[languid ibex]

That doesn't stop me from having insights.

[hybrid gull]

but it should stop you from putting words in their mouth

[wanton atlas]

I don't like the change

[hybrid gull]

you wouldn't want to "mitigate your functions"

[hybrid gull]

thanks

[wanton atlas]

Omni been fighting me for almost 5 years at this point

so he knows what I usually say before I say it 🤔

[languid ibex]

Ah sorry

[wanton atlas]

and yes .changing the radiuses would make it harder to trigger, which would give even less raids

[hybrid gull]

I would still not take his words as yours

[wanton atlas]

true

I am me, he is he

[hybrid gull]

I can only argue that if frequency is the issue, radiuses aren't by far the only solution to the problem, even more so when you're objectively not inside a base: make the check more frequent or even get rid of the check and just launch a raid periodically

I find it illogical that player bases are used to trigger the raid, but at the same time I don't need to be able to do any player base activity and still trigger one

40m away from a workbench is "the wilderness", not my base

[languid ibex]

40m puts you roughly 5 seconds(or less depending on skill level) away from any base. This is not a problem.

[hybrid gull]

so increase the workbench radius to match the raid radius

the raid's 40m radius is but an approximation for an intended result

[languid ibex]

Workbenches are just one of roughly 30 things that can trigger a raid, and there's no reason to link using a workbench with defending against a raid. It's just indicative that you're near a base structure.

Besides, a fully upgraded workbench does have a radius of 36m.

[hybrid gull]

you're right, every player base structure should spawn-proof a 40m radius area

making each player base structure's effective radius the determining factor makes more sense, but the priority is for raids, so that's the only option left to tie everything together

the workbench's radius increases with upgrades? Great, make its effective area the area that allows you to trigger the raid, so the more you upgrade it the easier it is to get a raid

[languid ibex]

Raids have a chance of not happening already, there's no need to add any difficult to calculate fluctuations to that. Raids work fine as is, and can already be adjusted to the player's liking within modifiers.

[hybrid gull]

a new player wouldn't be touching modifiers, I believe. I'm talking about an unadultered game, which is objectively unfair in its judgement. You also assume that being 40m away is always just a 5 seconds stroll back to base, but you could trigger a raid while in the water, stranded at the bottom of a steep incline or whatever: you're not in your base but are considered as such, and that's unfair

since the logic is that I need to be within 40m of my base I can just spawn-proof that 20m wide extra band around my base, but you can repeat that reasoning ad infinitum, so, logically, you should just keep spawn-proofing as far as possible

leaving the requirements as is means that the developers want players to exploit that (because if there's an easy way, people will take it), which in turn would make the raids entirely useless once I spawn-proof all the land within 100m of my base

[languid ibex]

Raids aren't that difficult, new players are often checking into modifiers, and it's not unfair as most players try to kite raids away from their base structures for safekeeping anyways(tames/goods/farms/etc). Yes you can spawn proof, but at that point you can also just, turn raids off, saving yourself the work. The only exploit you'd have there is the exploitation of your own labor.

Raids are a delivery of goods anyways, learning to combat whatever might come your way and staying readied for battle is a good thing. I personally do create a ring of watch towers around my base for additional spawn proofing around the walls of my base, this helps to prevent night spawns from getting too close, and giving me that additional few seconds to gear up before I lead a raid away.

[wanton atlas]

every 46minutes it does a check. is that really a problem?

so technically, you can have about 34 raids during a 24 hour playcycle

[hybrid gull]

it's not a practical problem per se, just a matter of logic: finding yourself outside the range of your base but still being considered** inside** it makes no sense.
You said you want raids to happen with a certain frequency, but why does the player have to be inside a base to trigger one in the first place? Like, I'm pretty sure the bosses wouldn't really care where you are when they feel like raising their armies against you. Why should they wait for you to be home? On the contrary, if they want you dead and they know whether you're home or not, they would probably attack you when you'reoutside, wouldn't they? (I'm excluding non-bosses raids for simplicity here).

So the question for boss raids is: why do bosses attack you? Lore-wise it's because they want you dead (so the PB requirement makes no sense from the bosses' point of view), while gameplay-wise they happen to give players a hint to where to go next (but the PB requirement seems unnecessary here as well)

If frequency is the most import aspect, making raids happen based only on time makes more sense in every aspect I can think of

personally, I'd rather have raids happen not in my home, where my buildings could potentially be destroyed: I'm referring to intricate buildings, not crafting stations I can replace with a couple clicks once they get destroyed

and let's include the world modifiers: if I'm increasing the frequency I can just build a very strong base and stay always inside, where the raid are more annoying than "hard"

[light fractal]

once I got raided by wolves in the middle of water. It was funny

[hybrid gull]

tbh, I'd be far more afraid of raids if they always happened at random times, no matter if I'm home or not

and increasing that frequency through world modifiers would make them actually stand out, too

as the player I shouldn't be allowed to even remotely control when a boss wants to attack me

so restricting raids to time requirements only makes raids unavoidable and meaningful

[light fractal]

I feel like the turning in Hildir's chests results in more frequent raids. Am I right in thinking that?

[lofty wave]

No, the frequency is only changed by world modifiers

[hybrid gull]

no, the time intervals are the same

[light fractal]

Its weird because I really feels like they happen way more often.

[hybrid gull]

defeating those mini bosses increases the pool of armies the game can pick from

[light fractal]

Like, my plains base got raided... huh... once I think

I turned in the chests and after 10 min "THEY WERE BROS"

[languid ibex]

1. No where does it mention you're considered to be inside your base when a raid happens. You are near your base structures, that is all.
2. Raids happening outside of base structures could effectively lock a raid in place, because the player may never need to return to where that raid happened, and the raid will pause until resumed.
3. Some mechanics aren't based in lore, and it's okay if raids are just a base defense mechanic at it's core.
4. Base defense encourages consideration for utilizing strong structures, and learning from bad encounters.
5. You can choose to not have raids happen at your home by disabling them.

[hybrid gull]

1. "near" != "inside"
2. make raids follow the player's position until they are over
3. a game without lore has no reason to be played over other games, and Valheim has a strong and special type of lore that should be emphasized instead of under-utilized
4. what I'm suggesting doesn't change that: knowing raids can happen is enough to encourage you to build a strong base you could more easily defend from in case a raid happens
5. for the second time, I'm talking about unadultered gameplay. The original idea is for raids to exist in the game world

even the idea that boss armies know where you are enforces that "you don't need to be home" idea: if they know where you are and seek you, why do they stop coming after you once you're outside a designated area?

[quartz totem]

The only increase in radius we need rn, Imo, is the stone cutter. That is a must, I'd say. hehehe

I replied to the wrong message, but... you get the idea.

[hybrid gull]

yeah, no worries

[languid ibex]

1. I'm not sure if you know that != means not equal to, but yes my point was that near isn't considered inside.
2. Raids following the player would result in requiring a totally different spawning system to be coded, as well as systems to determine if the raid should be moved.
3. The game has lore, without total knowledge of how raid triggers work, it's implied that your home is being attacked because you are a threatening and foreign presence in the world of Valheim, which is very much based in lore.
4. I was referring to the message you'd sent about not having raids happen at your home because you have structures you don't want destroyed, which inherently encourages building strong defenses.

Additionally, having raids happen outside of the current base structure requirements would result in awkward moments in multiplayer gameplay, where a friend might not be easily supported while being attacked.

[quartz totem]

I wish we had another type of raid like "they hunt you". Which does not need any base. But I guess it woulnt'd have a great mob for that...

[viral kraken]

Pretty sure there is that… the wolf one

“You are being hunted” I think is what it’s called

iirc, it spawns on you in the wild, no base needed

[languid ibex]

Reading is tricky ❤️

[quartz totem]

Yeah yeah "you are being hunted". But I mean another similar raid to how this one behaves

[viral kraken]

I’m ok with there not being one lol. But, if there was one, the bats could be one, as well as the drakes. Bats would only happen at night though, if you’re out running around

[mellow pawn]

I think most raids would be difficult to balance for both "at base" and "anywhere, anytime". Especially if the raid area would follow the player.

[quartz totem]

Dunno, maybe the new mob Vile 'hunts' you. It would diverse a little xD

[viral kraken]

Please no

[quartz totem]

why not? viles are scary AF (at first of course). It would be fun

[languid ibex]

Wraiths would be a good anywhere raid, but I just like Wraiths so

[viral kraken]

I like their chains, can never get enough lol

[quartz totem]

I like them too, and they are pretty annoying to get (the trophy)

[hollow seal]

Seeker raid maybe ?

[quartz totem]

There is a raid of them right? but it is a 'base' raid... so I'd agree on that

[hybrid gull]

1. I clearly don't know what the symbols I'm using mean
2. you're spouting nonsense since we have the "Hunt" raid
3. your presence is threating all the time, not only when you're home, what are you on about???
4. raids happening everywhere would encourage you to run back home where it's more safe, assuming you have good defenses built.

Multiplayer doesn't need to change as much either, since the game can either pick the player with more progression by default or picks a random player if more are close to each other (just like it's already working right now)

[hybrid gull]

balance as in... what? Why do they need to be balanced in the first place? Bosses want you dead, so they send an army to kill you

[languid ibex]

So you want raids to happen everywhere so you can run home? 🤦‍♂️
Also, many people don't realize they soft locked their raid system by leaving the Hunted raid area. Luckily there's a permanent raid indicator, but it can still be used as a pseudo disabling method.

[viral kraken]

3. Essentially, the bosses don’t “know” where you are at all times, so they attack your base. The “hunted” one is logical to spawn on you, as it consists of wolves who tracked you down, hunting you

[hybrid gull]

no no, the enemies in the army know where you are, that's what the icon on their head means

and they don't start attacking your base at random, they attack the closer wall that gets them to you

[quartz totem]

I think the game lacks defenses to counter raid in its core (at least until mistlands). So technically the best defense against a raid is to wander around within the zone and once the raid is over, just deal with the creatures (or tp away hehehe)

[viral kraken]

No, that icon means they’re alerted… that icon shows up when skeletons fight a deer…

[hybrid gull]

and if you're close enough they go after you

even if you were hidden a moment ago

[viral kraken]

You got too close

[hybrid gull]

and they got eyes on the back of their skull right

[languid ibex]

Break line of sight and stealth, as intended.

[hybrid gull]

and my point isn't even about the mob alert system

[quartz totem]

IF we had base defenses structures since BF, raids would be times better. The game would advise you to build some defenses around your base to help deal with mobs.

[languid ibex]

Sharp Stakes and Stakewalls are at BF tier 👍

[quartz totem]

ohh that's true! Stakewalls are just a wall, tho. But I forgot about the spikes...
I think people don't often build them (in my case also) because they don't return material and break easily (5 hits is it?)

[hybrid gull]

those same sharp stakes that deal only 15 of pierce and take 34 damage themselves? Yeah, pretty balanced

[languid ibex]

Walls are a defense structure!

[hybrid gull]

and are one of the few (if not the only) buolding that doesn't give you the materials back when destroyed

[languid ibex]

Also, I use sharp stakes for the odd enemy that strays near, in that way they're effective, especially if you get the chance to repair them before they break.

Typically I am able to meet raids outside my gates though.

[hybrid gull]

if you can repair them when they have 1% of durability left, I don't see why I shouldn't be able to repair it to full health even if they have 0

[quartz totem]

Repairing them is the key. I have a set up in mistlands to kill wandering hares (and I have to change to darkwood ones) that I often forget to repair hehehe

[languid ibex]

Eh, it's not a massive inconvenience, especially with a tree farm overflowing my wood storage.

[hybrid gull]

tools would logically break as well once they reach 0, but I can apparently repair them to full durability as well, which is inconsistent

[quartz totem]

I can just build a 2x1 wooden wall and it would have 'the same effect' as the stakewall. They are just "passive" (still defensive but just a wall regardless). Plus I don't want my structures to be damaged.

[languid ibex]

Enemy line of sight would be a bigger issue in that case though.

Not just for seeing players, but player structures they want to attack.

[hybrid gull]

armies "know" where you are, so line of sight is pointless

[quartz totem]

in a raid don't they know where you are at all times?! so the size would not make a difference, no?

[languid ibex]

It's likely you're referring to the fact that they can hear you can better detect you in full lighting.