valheim-chat

[tired path]

Charred Fortresses could have a bit more variety, but I feel like that wouldn't make Ashlands go from "rushed" to "perfect". What else do you feel is lacking?

[supple bear]

In my opinion Ashlands feels very lazy , particullary the forts. I think their original ideas were probably too large in scope but surely there was a middle ground between what they wanted to do and what we actually got.

They might have simply spent so much time on the first itteration trying to make it work they ran out of time to do anything other than a singular, small, easily cheesable, prefab

[neon nebula]

a rework is possible...tho question remains if it makes sense from their perspective

[supple bear]

They arent going to rework ashlands

1.0 is the end of major development. This has been known since day one

This is not a "forever game". It has an end.

[tired path]

Well I do agree that the Charred Fortresses do fall off after the first or the second one is done. However, you do have to give the siege mechanics credit. Having to get in with a battle ram is cool as hell.

[supple bear]

I mean the battle ram thing is cool to do once

[tired path]

...you can also just build a ladder but that's another topic

[supple bear]

But most people dont even bother

They just cheese it

[tired path]

I'm still a bit torn on that. On one side it feels cheesy, on the other, I'm glad it's there

[supple bear]

all you have to do is get above the fort and you win

theres no skill to it

it doesnt take any intellect to figure it out

and when you get high enough enemies effectively ignore you anyway

[snow aurora]

can you break the fort with the aoe hammer

[steel mica]

No

[supple bear]

You can break the stairs and stuff inside of it

[steel mica]

There are some breakables, but not the entire fort

[supple bear]

The wall itself is unbreakable

[snow aurora]

damn

[supple bear]

its the most safe place to make a base in ashlands

[tired path]

The fort walls need tier 5 pickaxe damage to break, which is only the battle ram and the catapult iirc

[supple bear]

just dont kill any of the doors

If you kill any of the doors it ruins it as a base /portal location

[tired path]

You can break the walls with the catapult, I never tried breaking them with the battle ram

[supple bear]

Ive never even made a catapult

[steel mica]

I've only made it to launch myself for exploration in ashlands and other biomes lol

[tired path]

I made it once to see how it worked. It's a cool concept but there's really no need for one

[snow aurora]

are there airborne enemies in the ashlands?

[tired path]

Voltures and the Valkyries

[steel mica]

There is 2, so be prepared

[supple bear]

Fun fact

Voltures are afraid of torches

[steel mica]

especially for that one flying enemy

[tired path]

Oh shouldn't have spoiled, right?

[steel mica]

Yeah...

But still they dont know what they're lol

[snow aurora]

XD np

[steel mica]

Just the name

[supple bear]

The volture spam pre nerf was insane lol

[steel mica]

Voltures are already pretty annoying

[supple bear]

Reminded me of an old movie called "The Birds" from like the 1940s

You have no idea mate

[snow aurora]

I tried sailing in the red ashlands water with the longboat, it barely lasted a minute

[supple bear]

They used to swarm you like crazy, like 20+ birds at once

its the only reason i know a torch scares them

[steel mica]

Have you beaten the 6th boss?

[snow aurora]

yet to kill the queen, tried yesterday

[steel mica]

You need her drop to get to the ashland

[tired path]

For some reason, I never got to that point in my first playthrough. Maybe because I aided myself with the wiki a lot

[snow aurora]

ahh figures

[steel mica]

"safe" can be misleading sometimes lol, "wink" the valkyrie

I remember one time a valkyrie got in my fort and lets just say, she didnt survive LOL

[snow aurora]

is there any other way to get there earlier? like gliding with the feather cape

[steel mica]

You can... get there early, just tedious and alot of preparation

[tired path]

If you get lucky you can jump between the black spires and make it all the way to land, but I've never tried it

[steel mica]

Theres some asterisk there

But its possible

[snow aurora]

ahh

[tired path]

Better to just do the normal game progression

[snow aurora]

so is the bonemaw everywhere in the water near the spires

[steel mica]

They spawn anywhere in the water

[supple bear]

Might as well not rush the experience

You're not likely to spend very long in the ashlands anyway, its a very short biome progression wise

And by progression i mean clearing forts

you only even need to clear like 3-4 of them for enough bell fragments

and those clears will likely also give you all the flametal and gems you really need lol

[tired path]

I felt like Ashlands progression was as long as any other biome, but I always try to have Flametal gear before striking a fortress

[supple bear]

That was your first mistake

[tired path]

Yeah, I guess you can just skip over that if you want to

[supple bear]

forts give a ton of flametal

[tired path]

Yeah, I know they do. With that I end up upgrading my gear

[supple bear]

if you plan on like crafting all the armor and fully upgrading it then you will def need some pillars

but its good practice to take over a fort as soon as possible since its the most safe place to put a portal hub/mini base

[tired path]

I remember trying to break the spawners with the Trollstav and kept missing, but since the troll was active in there, the spawners kept spawning things. We tried using ladders but there were so many enemies that it made no sense. We breached the door to flush them out, and the game dropped to like 15 fps when the block of charred came out of the fortress. There were at least 30 of them. It took us hours to clear it

[supple bear]

Yeah like i said ealier using the troll to clear those things is pointless

you want to climb up high and far enough away to not aggro them (thus the spawners wont spawn anything) and just snipe the spawners

[tired path]

If you hit the spawners with the troll meteor it usually breaks them

I was trying to do that, it was fun

[supple bear]

once the spawners are dead you can run in a john wick them if you really want to

their AI pathing is horrible in there, the stairs confuse the crap out of them

theres 2 different methods to get inside the center tower piece without using the ram

[tired path]

I'm starting to see why you said Ashlands feel rushed and poorly designed. Of course, if you b-line into a Fortress as soon as you get there, snipe the inhabitants from above, claim your rewards and go straight for the boss, sure, it will feel underwhelming

[supple bear]

I mean what else is there really to do in that biome lol

Stand in one place and murder hordes of enemies?

[tired path]

It's the same there is to do in any other biome

[supple bear]

Even then most of the enemy spawns in ashlands are one time spawns

Those morgens that pop out of the ground for instance, are one time

A morgen that spawns randomly is always above ground

lots of those destroyed buildings have one time twitcher spawns

thats its, theres nothing else in the biome lol. Its mostly just lava

[tired path]

Yeah but what other biome "has anything" in it?

[supple bear]

The plains is the most similar biome

Its also basically a barren wasteland with just a bunch of forts in it

But those forts can be different sizes at least

think about how many different variants of fuling encampments you ran into

[tired path]

I'm curious: what do you think is the best biome? In terms of design

[supple bear]

Thats kind of the problem isnt it, they all tend to follow the same tiers of progression

Which biome does it the best? Probably the black forest

Ashlands and the mountains do it the worst

[steel mica]

Barrels are goated storage

[tired path]

I will say, as much as I hate it, Mistlands are very complete in terms of progression, where there are 2 resources to mine (Jötunn skulls and Sap) with 2 different dungeons and an interesting arsenal

[supple bear]

Mistlands has a lot of interesting things to discover

sure the dverger towers and dig sites are basically all the same

[steel mica]

Free black marble

[supple bear]

but theres a lot of POIs in the mistland

most of the POIs in ashlands are just destroyed buildings with a one time spawner in it

Which again, mistlands also has these with the abanonded towers

But its not the ONLY thing it has lol

[tired path]

You think that, if the Ashlands POI had a chest in them (well, there are vases, it's not the same but I guess they have the same purpose), and the Forts were inpenetrable without a Battering Ram or Catapult, would that do it?

[supple bear]

A little variety would have gone a long way, just like it did in the plains with varying sizes of camps, towers, stonehenges ect

Pretty much all the critical resources in ashlands are found in forts. Spreading them out would help along with having more variation in POIs

Every single fort is the same, the only difference is how many spawners is in it

[tired path]

Tbh on the Black Forest, if you isolate it, you can skip most of the biome altogether by just killing some Brutes for the Ancient Seeds, finding a single Vegvisir and going straight for The Elder without doing anything else

[supple bear]

True but you dont get critical resources from greydwarf spawners like you do forts

Forts give me everything i need for ashlands

cores, gems, flametal

[tacit crystal]

There are varieties in Dvergr towers, IIRC 4 different ones.

[supple bear]

Only proving my point further

[tacit crystal]

At least 3.

[supple bear]

Theres a lot more variation in the earlier biomes

Even the destroyed buildings in ashlands are mostly the same

I mean you say its bad that the core way to play ashlands is to just b line from fort to fort but what else do you expect players to do in a barren wasteland of no variety

Theres nothing to explore lol, you've seen it all by the time you hit your first fort

[tired path]

Which wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't for the fact that you can just climb over forts. I can see your issue with the way they're implemented

[supple bear]

People would riot if they changed that too lol

Everyone cheeses them because they arent fun to do normally

Maybe once, maybe even twice

[tired path]

I mean there's Morgen Holes and the vegvisir you can find in them that leads you to Dyrnwyn, but the thing is, most biomes only have one dungeon: Once you find a Burial Chamber in the BF, that's it, it's just a matter of finding more for more Surtling Cores. Same with Swamp: once you've done a Sunken Crypt, that's it. The whole game is like that. The first biomes get saved by trying to find a trader

In fact, in the Mountain you can mostly skip Frost Caves. Sure, you can try to explore them as much as possible to find one of the frozen lakes, but that's really secondary

[supple bear]

Which is exactly why having more visual variety is important. If you break valheim down its very core compnents then yes every single biome is effectively the same

[steel mica]

Fun fact I have a tetra fish cave at my main world

And its on the starter island aswell

Its like a few minutes of walking and boom tetra fish

[supple bear]

Thats exactly what the biomes effectively do

[steel mica]

<color=white>

[supple bear]

Put a new coat of pain on the same treadmill

Mistlands was painted by a master artists, Ashlands was painted by my infant child

[tired path]

Being honest, I really like that about Valheim. It's a very linear game with predictable progression

[supple bear]

I mean all survival games are like that

In ark you note run to get to a high level, make a rex army, and kill the bosses. Unless that boss doesnt use rexes

Progression is the same on every map

V Rising is pretty linear. Although you can do a lot of sequence breaking if you have the skill

Same is true for valheim though, i mean you can kill Fader first if you really want to

Conan Exiles.......... maybe not so much. While the game does have bosses and dungeons it doesn't really do anything for progression.

Same for minecraft

[keen cloud]

3rd day of playing valheim, just killed my first boss. man i love this game

I just entered the swamp and got oblitirated

[supple bear]

As it should be

[tacit crystal]

First boss as you mean Eikthyr (the big deer one)?

[keen cloud]

yes

[steel mica]

FINALLY

Im all organized

[keen cloud]

been playing on and off

[tacit crystal]

Then you should keep away from the swamp, it comes after black forest.

You need better equipment and foods to survive there better.

[keen cloud]

trolls are satisfying to kill with my knife

[keen cloud]

draugrs ar something man

[tacit crystal]

Yeah, but keep that swamp in mind for future and progress black forest first, then you'll survive better in swamp.

[keen cloud]

but the good thing is i got something from the chest the ancient bark, high lvl of just running around can get me in and out faster than expected

[tacit crystal]

You don't need ancient bark yet, but it becomes more relevant when you progress through swamp later.

[keen cloud]

im aiming for the troll full set then maybe farm better armors along the black forest to get bronze set

uh btw, i encountered while wandering in the ocean some weird stuff, it has barnacle its like just a big rock like a small island then while mining the barnacle the screen shaked so bad and the rock sank

[placid delta]

Yes. That was a creature

[tacit crystal]

That's Leviathan, they can be found rarely in ocean.

When you mine the chitin they can start sinking and sinks after some time has passed after they warn first.

[keen cloud]

could thing it didnt kill me. im scared of open sea

[tacit crystal]

Chitin is used for crafting 2 items: Abyssal harpoon and Abyssal razor.

[placid delta]

Once they sink, they will not return in that spot.

[tacit crystal]

Razor is basically higher tier knife than copper one.

Very good early weapon.

[placid delta]

Harpoon is decent utility weapon. Can drag creatures around with it...

[tacit crystal]

In case you'd die in ocean, your tombstone will float on surface, although some boat materials do sink.

[placid delta]

I.e. serpents to shallow water to kill and obtain all their drops (scales and trophies sink, meat floats)

[tacit crystal]

Upgraded troll armor is good enough even for entering swamp.
Drawbacks of bronze armor is movement speed penalty from chest and legs pieces, them requiring bronze and not big difference in armor rate (troll 6 vs bear 7 vs bronze 8 at quality 1).
Although highest armor without movement speed penalty is granted by bear chest and legs and bronze helmet.

[keen cloud]

ohhh so i should do the bear chest and legs? and then a bronze helmet then i can enter the swamp ? I'll try to get finewood first ig

[tacit crystal]

That combo would be highest armor rate with no ms penalty. But you could also wear troll hood if the slight weaknesses from full bear set sounds worrying to you.
Also troll hood with otherwise bear armor grants you the Skeletor look.

[keen cloud]

wait, bear chest? i dont see it in my craftings

[nocturne wolf]

It's called Patterns of the Bear

[tacit crystal]

And leg piece is "Loincloths of the Bear" IIRC.

[supple bear]

My peronsal armor progression: Troll Hide > Padded > Ashlands set

As long as you have a biome approriate shield and a decent amount of hp you dont really need armor

[nocturne wolf]

so why do you make any?

[supple bear]

fashion

[tacit crystal]

Have you picked blueberries? They're required for crafting them bear armor chest and loincloth pieces.

[supple bear]

Its similar to dark souls if you've ever played that

The armor in that game is mostly useless except for cosmetics

[keen cloud]

yep

[final hinge]

2026 is the year of the ocean update. I can feel it in the wind.

[tacit crystal]

Nothing is confirmed in that regard, but that'll remain to be seen.

Only thing for 2026 confirmed is PS5 release. Deep North will be next update but there is no official timeline for that.

[final hinge]

I heard somebody say the PS5 doesnt allow early access releases so that probably means 1.0 this year too.

Which will obviously ship with an ocean update heh

[tacit crystal]

Unless Iron Gate states otherwise it will remain just guesswork. Be careful not state unofficial info as fact.

[supple bear]

Ocean update is a myth

[placid delta]

Ocean update when?

[upbeat cosmos]

some germans to play with?

[tacit crystal]

Try searching in https://discord.com/channels/391142601740517377/1024264966712340510 or posting your own post to find your fellow countrymen. 👍

[steel mica]

Does blackmarble negate the dmg from the obliterator?

[merry pebble]

It is immune to lightning dmg, yep

[steel mica]

Im asking this very early on lol

Im still in swamp progression

[tacit crystal]

Same for poison, as the eitr refinery and refined eitr shooting projectiles deal lightning and poison damage.

[white solar]

when the hell is the next teaser for the update

[merry pebble]

Most likely will come this month 🙂

[steel mica]

This I already knew but for the obliterator I haven't

Good info

[barren whale]

wouldn't it be nice if instead of getting a teaser we just got ptb

[chrome badge]

Nope, it'd hurt release hype and ultimately have Valheim reach less people.

[supple bear]

Valheim has already reached like 95% of what its going to lol

And it did that like 6 years ago

When every streamer and their brother was playing and advertising the game lol

Thats not to say they still dont get sales but anyone whos been remotely interested in this game in the past 6 years has likely already bought it.

[merry pebble]

-# 5 years

[keen cloud]

is there like a thing here in val that allows you to scrap an item or gear?

[supple bear]

fair enough

I thought the game came out in 2020

was beginning of 2021

[merry pebble]

Obliterator, but you cant get resources back if you mean that

[supple bear]

game was in development for like 5 years even before that

[chrome badge]

That makes zero sense, plenty of people are only just getting systems that can run it, including Playstation being a new platform.

Not to mention children that are now of age to play such games when their parents allow it.

[keen cloud]

oh ill search how is that

[supple bear]

Niether of those things is going to lead to massive influx of players

People who exclusively play on one specific console these days is the extreme minority

Most people have a computer capable of gaming

[chrome badge]

Did I say massive influx anywhere?

[placid delta]

Who said anything about a massive influx

[supple bear]

I mean 10% would be a massive influx

And i said that 95% of the people already interested in this game have already bought it

You disagreed, so you expect a massive influx of players

[chrome badge]

I didn't say 10% anywhere, I wouldn't assume any numbers specifically, just that it'd hurt the hype surrounding release. This would result in it reaching less people, and even keep some people from returning to play.

[placid delta]

I know personal that's not true. I know people who are waiting for 1.0. Game is in their cart .. waiting

[supple bear]

You disagreed with my assessment that 95% of people interested in the game have already bought it.

Which means you belive there is some percentage of people out there who are interested in the game but havent bought it, due to console limitations or whatever

[chrome badge]

Yeah, it makes no sense to assume those numbers to me.

[supple bear]

That's just how video games work

[chrome badge]

It really isnt, at all.

[supple bear]

Especially early access titles, very few of them "pop off" after going 1.0 or releasing on another platform

[placid delta]

You sticking a specific number in though is what makes no sense

[merry pebble]

4 would be closer 😄 and 2 of those were by only one person. After that Iron Gate was founded in 2019 which meant 3 people instead of one, in a year after that 2 more employees were added and 2 more again once EA came. 🙂

[supple bear]

The hype is in the initial release

Back when every streamer imaginable was playing valheim, game journalists were righting articles praising the F out of it

Most people bought the game back when that hype was real and have just been chilling for updates

[chrome badge]

Yeah no, Among Us blew up 2 years after full release, I'm not sure why you're making such assumptions but there's a lot of evidence against it. Even Minecraft didn't peak hype on release.

[supple bear]

Ok lets revisit this conversation after 1.0

If valheim blows up it will be the exception not the rule

My money is theres no massive influx of new players

[chrome badge]

It's fine I'm really just trying to point out the flaws, because there's no definitive baseline for what you're stating.

No one said massive influx.

[supple bear]

History is the baseline

Valheim is not the first EA game to ever exist, or even be in development for almost a decade

Its not even the first survival game to meet those criteria lol

[chrome badge]

No one is saying that.. are you just arguing with yourself? 😅

[supple bear]

No i think you just dont understand what I'm trying to argue

And that's fine

[placid delta]

@ austriandrummachine

You have had many conflicting statements among many of the channels in here where you state your opinions as facts and then when others have their own opinion that differs from your, you dismiss them as invalid or incorrect. IMHO that's not a good character look

[supple bear]

Bottom line is the vast majority of people interested in valheim already bought it

[chrome badge]

I absolutely do, and you've just assumed things and pointed to nothing to back up what you're saying.

[supple bear]

History of EA games on steam backs up what im saying

[tacit crystal]

There have been many people asking about the update and then stating they wait for 1.0 update to hop on again, I assume there are lots of people doing the same.

[supple bear]

Sure you can find a few exceptions, and maybe valheim will be one of them, I personally doubt it though.

Yeah those people already bought the game

We're talking about people who have yet to buy or play it

[tacit crystal]

The game is generally highly praised since the release so it's possible the hype can reach higher than usual updates when 1.0 release is there.

[supple bear]

I think people forget just how hyped this game was at launch

[placid delta]

And I'm saying I know plenty that haven't bought the game and are waiting..

[supple bear]

When I say every streamer was playing it its not an exaggeration

[chrome badge]

I was talking about the hype surrounding the game, new players coming to Valheim are certainly influenced by players that already have it given the multiplayer aspects.

[tacit crystal]

There are also people waiting for 1.0 to buy the game.

[supple bear]

People who never even played survival games, or even different games at all, were streaming valheim

[wet wolf]

there is a lot of people waiting for 1.0 to come out

[supple bear]

Tyler1 streamed Valheim

And many others like him who were huge and exclusively played one game

[chrome badge]

No one is directly comparing EA launch to 1.0 release though?

[supple bear]

You disagreed with my original statement that most people interested in this game have already bought it

[final hinge]

Tis the season for a valhiem playthrough. But do I do it now or wait till 1.0.

[glossy heath]

in another timeline, "wouldn't it be nice if instead of getting a teaser we just got ptb" would've been met with "yea that'd be neat, anyway" followed by some other conversation and wouldn't that be nice.

[chrome badge]

I said it makes no sense to assume that.

[supple bear]

It makes perfect sense to assume that

How many EA games are on steam

There is clearly a pattern

[wet wolf]

but what about the people who dont know about it or are waiting for 1.0 to buy it

[supple bear]

Massive launch numbers and people mostly just coming back for updates

[supple bear]

They are a tiny minority

[chrome badge]

That's great, the market isn't a static entity that you can only effect one time.

[wet wolf]

based off of what

[supple bear]

The history of EA releases on steam

Not even EA, even a lot of full titles are like this

They get massive player counts at launch then it tanks to a steady level. Those are the retained players

[chrome badge]

This is just a generalization, it really doesn't discount that there is hype to build surrounding a full release, especially for a game that did have such a massive initial drop.

[wet wolf]

is that not what happens with every game

[supple bear]

No its not, there are always exceptions to everything

If its true the vast majority of the time though its safe to assume it's likely to be true again

[wet wolf]

this is a survival game you play it once then dont really play it again for a while

[supple bear]

Thats literally all survival games except rust

But again this has nothing to do with valheim itself or even the genre. Its just a trend all games shame

[placid delta]

What the hell is rust

[supple bear]

Rust is a pure pvp survival game

its a full time job

[placid delta]

That sounds boring as hell

[wet wolf]

i mean yeah because no game can really keep 100% of player from launch

[supple bear]

i agree

Its not just about retaining players

Most people buy the game when it firsts comes out, whether its EA or full release most games all share the same trend

Its not rocket science and its proven by thousands of games on steam

Will valheim be an exception, maybe

[chrome badge]

No one is comparing initial release, still not sure why that's being brought up.

[supple bear]

I brought it up because its relevant to my point

[wet wolf]

idk why its being brought up either. you are just saying how launches work

[chrome badge]

Seriously 😅

[supple bear]

you need to go back and read the two sentences that started this entire conversation

[placid delta]

Trying to validate a point that he made that wasn't relevant

[chrome badge]

The thing in question was if a PTB would hurt release hype.

[supple bear]

You said: "Nope, it'd hurt release hype and ultimately have Valheim reach less people."

I said: Valheim has already reached like 95% of the people its going to

You disagreed with that statement

[chrome badge]

Absolutely, where is this number coming from, Playstation alone already calls that into question.

[supple bear]

Its an estimation, albeit sure maybe a little exaggerated

[chrome badge]

PS5 broke records for console sales iirc

[wet wolf]

you dont have anything to back your statement tho. you are generalizing too much

[supple bear]

Do you want me to go through every single EA game on steam and see which ones got a massive influx of players after 1.0?

That would take a very long time just to get a more accurate number that is likely already pretty close to my estimation

[chrome badge]

No one said massive influx, the topic was if PTB would hurt hype surrounding release, which would inherently result in it reaching less people.

[supple bear]

Ok well we can just agree to disagree then

This argument is becoming circular and i've already stated my point at least 3 times

[placid delta]

Omg. Finally

[supple bear]

You being unable to understand it at this point is not my fault

[placid delta]

🤦‍♂️

[supple bear]

I just hope they dont nerf the deep north too fast

I might not have as much time to no life the PTR this time as i did for ashlands and mistlands

[chrome badge]

Oh we understood, but we also just recognize when a topic is forked into another direction entirely and when that direction starts looping endlessly. 😅

[lunar sapphire]

The fact there's any discussion on what could happen with Deep North when it hasn't been released yet is mind boggling.

Theory crafting is fine but let's not argue over semantics.

[supple bear]

We weren't even arguing over the deep north lol

Its best to just move on

[final hinge]

Haven't all the post launch biomes been nerfed?

[glossy heath]

this whole thing spawned from an innocent lil comment, just unnecessary.

[supple bear]

Plus i think everyone here can get a pretty good idea on what the deep north is going to be like

[lunar sapphire]

With feedback yeah

[supple bear]

I mean the biomes are all kind of the same when you get down to the core of them

Its going to be a snow biome that spams you with enemies and likely has like a permanent blizzard or something

Likely polar bears, since they put all that work into the bear model

and it seems to skip 2 biomes

[final hinge]

I thought they said the deep north was going to be more chill

Heh

[supple bear]

They also said over and over that the game is a brutal survival game during ashlands release

[glossy heath]

they did, yes, that's just a guess

[supple bear]

its more likely they stick to form

The enemy spawns will likely get nerfed before full release though

happened in both mistlands and ashlands

the only way to make this game difficult is to spam enemies at you, its not like they have much of a choice

[glossy heath]

"form" has not been ashlands' standards, else "wow this is nonstop" wouldn't have been everyone's first experience with ashlands
i remember pre-nerf mistlands, you had the usual chance to catch your breath after every single encounter

[stray wave]

Hi guys, does anyone know when the global update for Valheim is planned? I heard they should add some northern locations

[final hinge]

I wonder what it was like. Didn't play the ashlands until well after the nerfs and my first experience was being greeting by an army and full party wipe.

[lunar sapphire]

These are all subjecthive opinions

[final hinge]

Followed by another full party wipe

And then a successful landfall

[supple bear]

The only biomes you dont get swarmed in really is meadows and mistlands

At least outside of the dungeons, you still get swarmed in the mines

[lunar sapphire]

I've been swarmed in mistlands on numerous occasions

[supple bear]

Greydwarf spam is as famous as valheim itself is

If you get near too many pois yeah you can get swarmed sure

but mistlands is pretty dead overall. Mostly just hares and a rare soldier or gjall now

[glossy heath]

in the mines sure.
but otherwise i really don't feel the same way about mountains, swamp and plains.
unless you exclusively go out at night and constantly hit trees and rocks around you to attract every enemy in a mile radius

[wet wolf]

seekers like always spawn in groups in my experiance + ticks

[lunar sapphire]

Actually, on a side note what is Valheim's mascot creature if anything?
Surely it's gotta be George the Greydwarf

[supple bear]

You're likely thinking of the one time spawns in mistlands

theres a lot of one time spawns in mistlands and ashlands

the abandoned towers with like 3-5 bugs in them are one time spawns

pretty sure all teh entrance guards are one time spawns as well

[chrome badge]

It's the one the only, Seagull

[wet wolf]

no im talking about just running through the mistlands

[glossy heath]

that is standard in every biome, poi-related spawns almost never respawn

[final hinge]

Deathskeeter

[supple bear]

You can get swarmed in any biome if you just run through it and pull all the spawner enemies and one time spawns lol

[lunar sapphire]

I said it before as well but Dungeons respawn enemies (over time) outside the dungeon

which is why you can reencounter skeletons outside a dungeon

[supple bear]

It must take a very long time

I dont think ive ever seen seekers respawn infront of a mine personally

[tacit crystal]

Yes, current placeholder Deep North biome will get proper update but there is no timeline yet for it.

[supple bear]

the ones in front of the queens dungeon certainly dont respawn?

[glossy heath]

that is only burial chambers and infested mines, and in the case of burial chambers it's only one of the 3 skeletons posted up outside

[final hinge]

Where am I gonna build my portal hubs now? I always used to sail up to the deep north to do it.

[glossy heath]

sunken crypts and troll caves respawn nothing, outside and inside

[supple bear]

To be fair i just learned to day that royal jelly respawns

[tacit crystal]

Except yellow mushrooms?

[supple bear]

Ive never double dipped a dungeon before

[glossy heath]

yea i was talking about enemies 😅

[supple bear]

I assumed the yellow mushrooms didnt respawn either

Not that you really need many of those anyway

[lunar sapphire]

yellow mushrooms are enemies!

[chrome badge]

I'll mark a dungeon if I walk out of it with 25+ Yellow Mushrooms

[supple bear]

What are yellow mushrooms even used for

[lunar sapphire]

iirc the mushrooms respawn in dungeons every 3-4 in game days?

[tacit crystal]

Stamina meads and berserkir mead.

[final hinge]

SPEED MEAD

[glossy heath]

stuffing my chests because i always feel like i'm gonna need em and then i don't

[final hinge]

Maybe

[tacit crystal]

No, that's blueberries, cured squirrel hamstring and honey.

[lunar sapphire]

That just reminded me that you're a completionist 😄

[glossy heath]

more or less haha, depends on how committed i am to a game
if it's "very", i don't stop at just the chievos

[final hinge]

Yes, indeed.

[supple bear]

So nothing really that useful

Interesting that only two of the stam meads take yellow mushrooms

The lingering ones, which are the best ones, dont lol

[tacit crystal]

Berserkir mead is super useful.

[final hinge]

Regular Stamina mead is also super useful

[supple bear]

i guess it would be good if you're spamming an atgier or something against a horde of enemies

it only lasts 20 seconds right?

[tacit crystal]

Yes, but it has no cooldown. Also weaknesses can be countered with resistances.

[supple bear]

I mean thats not an issue, its pretty easy to never get hit in this game anyway

its just spamming a potion every 20 seconds

i wouldnt even use it against bosses

[main aspen]

how the best dedicat host for valheim server ?

[lunar sapphire]

Your version of playing Valheim will vary to someone else's

[supple bear]

bosses have a rhythm to them and that pot would just screw up the rhythm

Yep, valheim experiences radically differ

However pros and cons generally remain the same regardless of player experience

[lunar sapphire]

So you may find one potion useless, whereas the next person may use them religiously

[supple bear]

Just because something is useful doesnt mean its worth the time to actually make it after all is said and done

I feel that way about upgrading things like armor too, especially in earlier biomes

Fully upgrading a bronze set is a complete waste of time

simply because you outscale it faster than it takes you to make it

[glossy heath]

i'm at that extreme end of the spectrum haha
i only use temporary consumables if progress becomes drastically harder without them.
most of my food is chosen based on how little effort goes into maintaining it, and the only meads i use are ones for resistances

[lunar sapphire]

I think I'm the same on that

[supple bear]

I mean to fair im a very minimalist player to begin with. I live in 5x5 shacks and only do the bare minimum. I dont even use meads for the most part because they require too much work.

Time spent vs reward has to make sense

[lunar sapphire]

@placid delta Your comments aren't in-line with the rules

[supple bear]

spending 6 hours grinding iron to fully upgrade an iron set and save 20 seconds on the fight as a result isnt worth just taking that extra 20 seconds on the fight

armor is a bad example actually, weapons would be better

unless its something useful later on like frostner i wouldnt bother

Dont most of those new potions and stuff require you to find a vendor anyway

[lunar sapphire]

Iirc just the bog witch is necessary

[supple bear]

does she have more spawn locations than haldor

[merry pebble]

Also 10

[lunar sapphire]

10 possible swamp locations, first found being the spot she resides

[supple bear]

Vendors and I dont get along, especially haldor

They hide from me

[lunar sapphire]

I've got haldor and bog witch on my starting continent

[glossy heath]

for me it's less the pure time that goes into acquiring a resource and more just...how enjoyable it is to acquire it.
finding a vendor is imo a nice way to pass the time, you're seeing new places, might find more neat stuff along the way, etc.
planting crops? ehh, i subconsciously stress about placement just enough to make it unpleasant, i couldn't imagine doing that indefinitely to keep myself fed haha

[placid delta]

I accept that. My apologizes.

[supple bear]

The last seed I ran was OP af. All biomes, half the bosses, and all the vendors within like a 5 minute walk from eachother

probably the most busted seed of all time, bog witch is literally right next to bonemass

I didnt try to cheese him with it though, kinda curious if you can

enemies that go inside that bubble stop attacking

[merry pebble]

Bog witch is a bit unique in that if you go all the way into the hut enemies will agrro and attack you again 😄
(If they can see you through doors for example)

[lunar sapphire]

enemies that go inside that bubble become arch enemies of the broom* 😄

[lunar sapphire]

Imagine being safe in Valheim

[supple bear]

I didnt spend much time there to be honest

Those blob bomb things are s tier for leveling blood magic though

its just too bad you gotta stand there the whole time

[lunar sapphire]

I often push the broom out of the hut and let it clean the swamp one sweep at a time

[glossy heath]

clear out a burial chamber, troll cave or sunken crypt and it's the safest place in the world :>

[supple bear]

the skeletons wont attack TWIG directly so you trap a blob to get the skeleton to attack the air lol

[lunar sapphire]

and quietest (rip the days you could place more than campfires/cooking stands in them)

[glossy heath]

-# idk the ambience in there is quite loud imo

[supple bear]

you know one of these days im actually going to do hildirs quest

But that day is probably never to be honest

[chrome badge]

I'm now wanting to build a large swamp base with the Big Witch residing in the very center, so I can continuously push the brooms out into the main base.

[final hinge]

Hildir exists to sell the big iron pans

[lunar sapphire]

iirc I don't think the broom respawns if one still exists

only if it's killed a new one will respawn

[chrome badge]

Hmm, I can't confirm, but I did set one free and another spawned in. Maybe it died out there? 😨

[glossy heath]

i don't know exactly how respawning spawners work but i have indeed never seen a respawning spawner spawn its enemy (or in this case thing) again while the last one was still present (something to test i guess, spawn a respawning spawner, take its enemy way outta render distance, skip time and see if the spawner spawns again)

[lunar sapphire]

they're strong as an entity but also more of a glass cannon

defense is somewhat low

it's 1 am but eh, more Valheim game time

Please standby

[tacit crystal]

They are actually weak to chop damage.

Very weak against fire.

[supple bear]

thats the one downside of being a reach the end goal as soon as possible kind of person

You miss out on the little things

I didnt know you could even attack those things

[chrome badge]

I enjoy Valheim most as a slow burn game, it's my zen garden full of micro adventures.

[supple bear]

I mean i took my time the first playthrough, even the second, and third

But on playthrough number 80 something you kind of already have goals in mind when you start

[glossy heath]

kinda same for me~
i may skip a lot of busy work, but i don't do that to speed through it, i just enjoy taking my time with stuff~
-# or in other words, i'm lazy

[supple bear]

I skip as much busy work as possible rofl

Sailing is also something i avoid like the plague

[chrome badge]

Fair enough, we all develop different habits in the world of Valheim.

[supple bear]

not interested in afking on a boat for 20 minutes

[glossy heath]

sailing is something i like because it doesn't require much input and still gets you places haha

[tacit crystal]

They actually belong into Dvergr faction technically, so they become hostile if you hurt them.

[chrome badge]

I enjoy sailing, I'll put on some Pirates of the Caribbean soundtrack and fully immerse.

I just really want a whale-like creature to be added one day

[tacit crystal]

https://youtu.be/5VLMKHikNrM?si=cMOe1ec8xuWfcmd3
This is quite a banger for sailing. 🤘

[glossy heath]

i remember when i first started being active here and i was surprised by how common it is for players to mark mushrooms and berries on their map.
they're all over meadows and black forests so i just wander about and purposefully get lost whenever i get low on em, i like the lil walks, and enjoy spotting stuff in the distance rather than looking at my map for where it is

[supple bear]

Im overly sensitive about how i spend my time to be honest. I dont build tiny compact bases because im lazy, I do it because i can do everything without moving around. Imagine how much time you waste, overall, just running around your base grabbing stuff to craft or cook or w/e

I see people on youtube how make like massive bases with huge buildings for each thing and im just like good god

imagine how much of your time you spend just walking around that thing to do anything lol

[chrome badge]

I actively look for more things to spend time on, and try never to concern myself with time waste so long as I'm having fun.

[supple bear]

Yeah im not saying building big pretty buildings is useless

just that you spend a lot of time walking around them

[tacit crystal]

Building is one fun aspect of the game, especially with the new materials.

[supple bear]

V Rising was the only survival game that ever forced me to build

Theres actually a benefit to it in that game though

you get crafting bonuses and stuff from using correct rooms

[glossy heath]

usually i'm just like "eh whatever" about that and sometimes end up with really inconvenient bases that i just happily put up with for the rest of that playthrough
but my main base, despite being pretty damn huge, has most of its usefulness stuffed into one tiny section of it

...it being huge is still a detriment to performance whenever i enter or exist in it

[supple bear]

Yeah its kinda crazy how this game is worse than conan exiles in that regard

Conan is unreal engine though not unity

[glossy heath]

i don't make things easier on myself by refusing to use the more space-efficient pieces and making everything out of basic stone bricks

[supple bear]

learning how to compactly stack bench upgrades is my crowning achievement lol

I used to bury them but now thats not longer encessary

[glossy heath]

i like them as decor so i keep em above ground.
i bury half the comfort objects though because having a maypole, christmas tree, throne, hot tub, bed and whatever else all in the same room, multiple of each even if the room is bigger than 20 meters across, just feels weird as hell to me

[lunar sapphire]

I really need to setup another greydwarf farm soon with the amount of stone I keep needing

[glossy heath]

maypoles aren't even supposed to be inside a building

[supple bear]

run out of plains pillars?

[lunar sapphire]

that's actually a valid source I forgot about

[supple bear]

to be fair its not really an afk method

but its certainly faster probably

[lunar sapphire]

greydwarf farm brings infinite eyes, daisies, stone, resin, wood, and ancient seeds

so still need to set it up at some point

[tacit crystal]

Me who places them inside.

[lunar sapphire]

He says as he gets a ground is shaking event

gl getting to my base

[supple bear]

Thankfully you dont have to go too crazy with farms anymore

[glossy heath]

gosh, reminding me that my main base isn't actually complete yet, probably still gonna have to shave another mountain or two for stone

[supple bear]

you can just dig a pit and put skeletons at the bottom of it

no need for fires

[lunar sapphire]

impromptu pit works as a troll killing spot

[supple bear]

Look at you with two pickaxes im proud of you

should be 3 though

[lunar sapphire]

um actually, I have a 3rd

in my inv 😄

[supple bear]

Antler pickaxes are the goat for crypts

[glossy heath]

always nice to see someone else say that haha

[lunar sapphire]

normally I upgrade pickaxes but I'm staying with antler in the iron age

[supple bear]

You can really tell who the vets are with tiny stuff like that

A lot of people would look at that and wonder why you have two pickaxes lol

[glossy heath]

i skip the bronze pick, and now that a black metal pick exists i might consider skipping iron too in the future. luring a troll to an excavated silver vein sounds like the kinda thing i'd get up to

[supple bear]

i dont skip iron but i dont upgrade it anymore

pickaxe that is

[glossy heath]

(troll because for some reason stone golems can't damage silver but trolls can)

[lunar sapphire]

it's all about trolls having that handy pickaxe power ❤️

[glossy heath]

tool tier more like, stone golems do deal pickaxe and chop damage

[tacit crystal]

.... This vet makes bronze pickaxe. 🤚

[glossy heath]

-# adding more "evidence" to my theory that stone golems were originally forest trolls and today's trolls are the old mountain trolls. not just their model and texture but a lot of their functionality too. would explain why stone golems are of the forest faction and have a lower tool tier than trolls
-# yes the devs probably want stone golems to fight other mountain enemies but it seems like a pretty random thing to decide to do, seems more likely to me that they saw that that was a thing and went "oh that's neat let's keep it that way"

[lunar sapphire]

a nice addition to handling the sky rats imho

[glossy heath]

whenever i hear that screech, my first instinct is to look for suspiciously golem shaped rocks

[supple bear]

you know the more i think about it

[tacit crystal]

I heard the same screech from some newer Pokemon episode. 👀

[supple bear]

the more i realize that the plains is just a better ashlands

Besides being a farming simulator anyway

[lunar sapphire]

I said woah but magikarp works too

[tacit crystal]

Kids were watching (maybe) Journeys season at some point where some Pokemon screeched like Drakes.

[lunar sapphire]

there's 1000+ 💀
Which one haha

[tacit crystal]

Can't remember lol, looked like dragon maybe.

White/silver color.

[lunar sapphire]

Frigibax?

I will continue thinking about this but will stop posting it here 😄

perhaps via dm

[tacit crystal]

Perhaps, before we derail too much.

[supple bear]

I mean not to continue the off topic conversation or anything but dont pokemon generally just say their names. They dont like shreek

[glossy heath]

from what little i remember, some do just screech or make other weird noises in the shows

[supple bear]

Ah ive never watched the shows

[glossy heath]

i think i watched some journeys episodes with a friend a few months ago and got a hilarious recording out of exactly that

[supple bear]

my pokemon knowledge ends at ruby/sapphire

[glossy heath]

mine is vague on gen 7 and pretty much ends after that

[lunar sapphire]

I am the all seeing pokemon eye

[glossy heath]

gen 3 was my most active time, gen 5 my favourite

[lunar sapphire]

come to me with questions (outside of pvp knowledge)

[supple bear]

Remember how broken elemental punches was in gen 2

[lunar sapphire]

this is a convo for #general btw 😛

[supple bear]

its valheim related because pokemon attacks are classified as elemental damage

[lunar sapphire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/861506054017122335/861532216785240094/ezgif.com-gif-maker_28.gif

[supple bear]

lol

[jagged mortar]

anyone know when the deep north update comes?

[lunar sapphire]

In due time viking, in due time

[paper marsh]

nope

[jagged mortar]

😔

[tacit crystal]

One thing is sure: it's coming and it will be worth it.

[lunar sapphire]

based on what we have seen so far, I'm thinking it'll be dangerous for sure but also such a chill place to make a base <3

like the mountains biome

[glossy heath]

drakes would like to disagree
-# says the person who lives in the mountains but like, you get what i mean

[paper marsh]

A chill place for sure 🥁

[lunar sapphire]

You oversee them, fix them

[glossy heath]

the rascals won't listen to their aunt

[lunar sapphire]

must be the father in them. Protecting their egg and all

maybe they're seahorses

[glossy heath]

maybe their seahorses what

[lunar sapphire]

kek

oh

It's 2am, leave Britney alone D:

[glossy heath]

i'm sorry i've not had my tea yet, the sass meter is...average

[lunar sapphire]

I think that's enough yellow mushrooms

nvm collapsing metal in one swing when it's mined out

I've found the most satisfying part of Valheim:

[glossy heath]

i assume you don't mean foraging walks but you're almost making me wanna play again just to do that

[lunar sapphire]

haven't had to forage walk for some time

mostly cos my boar farm is back in the meadows biome

[paper marsh]

Gonna need some bluberries for that ratatosk

[lunar sapphire]

I have 2 blueberries

Best I can do

[tacit crystal]

Gotta catch them all (the blueberries).

[solar sedge]

so I am hoping we get a steam post from the devs end of January or in February for 5 year anniversary. Maybe a launch date trailer? My guess is May or later

[paper marsh]

Probably a dev blog in january yeah

[round shard]

why does mobs go trought my shield generator ? have i played it wrong?

[feral grove]

Shield generators block the stuff that falls from the sky and projectile attacks. Things can walk through them without issue.

[round shard]

ahh alr

ty for the answer 🙂

[feral grove]

Happy to help.

[round shard]

will fires prevent also stop mobspawning if i play some randomly?

[feral grove]

Campfires? As far as I know, yes, they do prevent enemies from spawning within a certain radius.

[paper marsh]

Yes campfire will

[round shard]

alr

[hasty citrus]

Will there be content updates post 1.0? I don’t mean no biomes I think after deep north there will be plenty I just mean like armor sets or animals

[broken kraken]

doubtful

[hasty citrus]

That’s a shame. Hopefully 1.0 can add a mistlands light class and hopefully integrate magic stuff into the earlier game.

The game already feels more complete than many games I’ve played but I wish some things were added

[gray sand]

Earlier magic is never happening outside of mods.
This has been confirmed many times.

[hasty citrus]

Oh

I thought I was caught up on all the dev stuff

[gray sand]

Post 1.0 content is currently stated as "bugfixes, optimizations, and maybe some things/features we just didn't have time for."

[hasty citrus]

I’m honestly okay with that. I think many games just keep going on and on and honestly with 1.0 I do think the game can confidently stand as more than complete

Im curious as to what will be added to 1.0 outside deep north. I was just expecting deep north but maybe there is other stuff

[fossil delta]

There is other stuff. They indicated in one of their news releases that they would add a few new things to earlier biomes, for one. I think they said even more, but it s been roughly 2 months since I read that release.

[final hinge]

Fearure for "Taming" Fuelings to work in your wheat fields "voluntarily."

[tacit crystal]

Very likely not like that.

[hasty citrus]

I hope this is true

[tacit crystal]

Smaller minor content can be possible afaik, bug fixes definitely.

[hasty citrus]

😭

[tacit crystal]

We'll see after 1.0.

[thorny ibex]

is 1.0 same update as deep north or after?

[paper marsh]

Same

[fossil delta]

The same thing.

[thorny ibex]

oh cool

[hasty citrus]

will there ever be a viable way to use early weapons late game? I love the frostner and porcupine

[tacit crystal]

Deep North is 1.0.

[tacit crystal]

Frostner is viable even in Ashlands.

[paper marsh]

I mean Frostner I'd say is useable up until probably deep north

Same with silver sword

[hasty citrus]

do I just need to level it up a ton?

[paper marsh]

I shred seekers with flesh rippers too

[hasty citrus]

which weapons are viable and how do I keep them that way?

[tacit crystal]

Well max quality is 4 for all weapons.

[paper marsh]

Frostner is probably the best weapon if you don't want to swap weapons from mountains --> Ashlands

[tacit crystal]

Frostner is pretty good in Mistlands due to its most part of damage being frost which seekers don't resist.

And frost slowing enemies makes it safe option.

[paper marsh]

Huntsman bow is a pretty solid ranged option that some prefer over later bows because it causes a lot less noise, making it nice for stealth approaches

[hasty citrus]

how viable could it really be if you can get it maxxed in the early biome?

would it really make sense to have an ashlands equivalent so early on?

[paper marsh]

Mistlands ||magic|| weapons are tbh quite a bit better than some of the ashlands ||magic ||options

[hasty citrus]

Im not a big fan of [thing you censored]

I think it is introduced too late

[paper marsh]

Pretty viable. It works in mountains because its a mountain tier weapon. It works in plains because that's right after mountains so no big diff. It works in mistlands because the frost damage does twice as much damage to seekers than most other weapons (since they resist physical damage). It works in Ashlands because some enemies resist some physical damages and because the spirit and frost are pretty potent in ashlands

It's viable in Ashlands because it gets high stats intially because the spirit component is pretty useless until ashlands, but very useful in ashlands

[tacit crystal]

Frostner is not great against stone golems, miniboss and the boss in mountains due to them being immune to frost damage, against all other it deals good. But it stays very good option after Plains till Ashlands.

[hasty citrus]

interesting

[paper marsh]

Personally though I hate frostner

[hasty citrus]

I think it would be cool if they had a way to scale old weapons to later biomes using the late game ores or something

[tacit crystal]

I'd imagine it will not be as great in Deep North tho.

[hasty citrus]

[delicate nova]

[paper marsh]

It's not specifically frostner, but just maces in general. I don't like how much knockback they have making me run over to finish the target, and their swing speed is a bit slow for me.

The amount of stagger they do on secondary attacks is very nice, except frostner is the one mace that doesn't do much stagger

[merry cedar]

They're super good for wolves in mountain.

[paper marsh]

Hmm, I don't see them doing much other weapons can't

[merry cedar]

Other weapons can't stand there and just swing and kill swarms of wolves without taking a hit.

[paper marsh]

Bows, spears, and atgeirs for sure sound better to me for dealing with wolves

I guess if it's a swarm they can be nice, though I think I'd still trust an atgeir or battleaxe more

[tacit crystal]

Battleaxe is just glorious against them wolf raids.

[merry cedar]

I play on permadeath with most monsters doing 1 hit kill. Blunt is so superior in staying alive due to the knockback.

[tacit crystal]

Example: #memes-and-clips message

[merry cedar]

If I was playing in a scenario where I can take a bunch of hits and just drink health potions then yeah for sure I'd always use an AoE weapon.

[paper marsh]

Interesting. I play permadeath vhard and I lean more towards spears and knives (especially spears). Fast attack speed / high damage feels so superior in staying alive because you're not locked in place for a long animation and can more easily stagger and kill enemies

I will use fist weapons or battleaxe for staggering enemies too strong to parry tho

[merry cedar]

I Agree. on Vhard you can play however you want since most monsters don't 1 shot kill you.

[paper marsh]

You playing modded difficulty?

[merry cedar]

Yes, it's required to get to the 1 shot kill entire game that I enjoy.

In other words, I play hitless.

[rare lichen]

I feel you 🙂 I find the world more immersive when monsters can kill you if you get cocky !
Need that healthy dose of fear jajaja

[abstract warren]

Should I make a full bronze armour set before facing the Elder?

Or is troll armour viable?

If fully upgraded?

[round shard]

troll can be used

[merry cedar]

The elder can be killed naked with a flint spear.

[abstract warren]

Lol

[merry cedar]

If you can melee and kill trolls reliably. You can kill the elder with a flint spear.

Folks kill bonemass with a club.

[tacit crystal]

Troll armor is good.

Benefit from troll armor is not getting slowed down like bronze armor does.

[paper marsh]

Honestly, I'd say troll is better than bronze

[tacit crystal]

But nowadays there is bear armor too, which can be mixed with one piece of troll or bronze armor if the weaknesses of full bear set sounds worrying.

Troll grants 6 armor, bear 7 and bronze 8 per piece at quality 1.

[merry cedar]

Best armor meta is bear chest/pants, bronze helm, troll cape.

Anything else is suboptimal. But again, if you know how to roll/move to avoid hits players have beaten all bosses in the game naked with 0 food.

[tacit crystal]

Or Troll hood for Skeletor look.

[paper marsh]

Doesn't troll and deer cape provide identical benefits for that setup, other than ig crafting resources and aesthetics

[merry cedar]

You got it, crafting resources are what make it optimal.

[paper marsh]

Well that's just preference

If you're a player that struggles with killing trolls, you'd want to save the bit of troll leather you get for armor and just hunt deer for the cape

[merry cedar]

My context is the optimal build.

What you're saying is preference and in some context. I'm mentioning it is faster because you will come across a troll and it is faster to kill things you come across than run away from them until you get the items you need.

[rare lichen]

Which sounds more fun to you, being slower but having a bit better armor, or being faster and having slightly less armor?
Generally people enjoy Troll Armor more than Bronze Armor

[abstract warren]

Ohh there's bear armour?

[supple bear]

fully upgraded troll hide has 2 less armor than base iron. Granted you need obsidian to reach its full potential but thats fairly easy to get

[abstract warren]

Nice

[merry cedar]

bear pants/chest w/bronze helm and troll cape

it the optimal armor for combat. Most AC, highest move speed possible in the blackforest era.

The Troll cape is just optimal over the deer cape for no other reason that resource constraint as soft mention.

[abstract warren]

I've yet to challenge a bear though. They seem kinda tough

[merry cedar]

They're extremely low damage on their single paw attacks

and can be parried and triple attacked. Just roll dodge any attack where they use both claws or their mouth

[abstract warren]

Ok

[merry cedar]

or ever walk to the side, if you get their rotation down you don't have dodge. can just walk.

[tacit crystal]

They're on par with trolls - bit less damage but tankier and bit more HP.

[abstract warren]

I assume they're faster when actually angry?

[supple bear]

Theres not really any point to caring about whats optimal in the black forest lol. You will outscale that gear incredibly quickly

[merry cedar]

You can parry a bear attack with a knife and no shield lol

[supple bear]

The first 3 biomes go by extremely fast

[merry cedar]

the point is to outscale it as fast as possible. That's why it's optimal. And also the point.

[supple bear]

Very few pieces of gear scale into later biomes

the root husk is a good example

[rare lichen]

Generally people get dissapointed with bronze because of how fast it gets replaced compared to the work to make and upgrade it. People prefer Troll or Bear armor for the most part

[supple bear]

it heavily resists pierce which is common int he plains and mistlands

[abstract warren]

Yeah idk the mining can get tedious though

[supple bear]

Troll armor is fine

[merry cedar]

Get a troll to mine copper for you.

[supple bear]

It requires no effort to get

trolls die incredibly easy to bows

[merry cedar]

I generally have a troll cape and a copper helm resources within the first 20 minutes of playing.

[supple bear]

I just wouldnt care too much about armor that early int he game, you will outscale it quickly

I use trollhide all the way to the plains lol

the next tier armor is on par with fully upgraded armor from the tier before it

so base iron has as much def as fully upgraded bronze

[abstract warren]

Really? Swamp can be tough though

[chrome badge]

To be fair everyone has a different pace, I spend about 30 hours in the black forest alone on each playthrough, I like to explore to mark forage item locations, and build rest stops in each stone tower.

[supple bear]

Armor is only really useful if you're getting hit a lot

[tacit crystal]

More experienced players have no problems with going troll armor in swamp or even mountains, but remember you do as you like at your own pace. 👍

[supple bear]

Plus it slows you dow

very few armor sets dont slow you down, and those have low def

[merry cedar]

I generally go naked until mountains when i want to speed run.

[supple bear]

Thats a bit extreme

[merry cedar]

Troll armor is pointless.

[supple bear]

No speedrunner even goes naked until the mountains lol

[chrome badge]

Ratatosk Mead negates that anyways

[merry cedar]

It's only extreme if you get hit.

[supple bear]

Watch the world record fixed seed speedrun

[merry cedar]

That's why I just play naked.

[supple bear]

its only 6 hours

Its not a bad watch

[merry cedar]

Dude said armor is only useful if you get hit then says being naked is extreme...

[supple bear]

It is

[merry cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-facepalm-raxalxshivar-anano-ananofacepalm-gif-12554045231795655384

[supple bear]

Why dont speedrunners go naked then

I mean the speedrunners with actual times on speedrun.com

[chrome badge]

Useful and fast aren't the same thing.

[supple bear]

Because as it turns out getting one shot by nearly everything wastes a lot of time and this game can just randomly screw you over whenever it feels like it lol

[merry cedar]

Because they intentionally die.

i play hitless.

[supple bear]

Going through the entire game without getting hit by anything at all is certainly an achievement you should be proud of and record

Much harder than doing it in a dark souls game

[merry cedar]

It's far easier than dark souls.

[chrome badge]

Bows make it a cake walk

[merry cedar]

Exactly.

I force myself to melee when i play hitless otherwise i'd fall asleep.

[supple bear]

Its the enemies you dont see that get you

If its really that easy though you should record it

Im not sure if a hitless valheim run even exists

I see a no hit ashlands video

but not the entire game

So yeah record it mate you'd be famous

[merry cedar]

just said it was far easier than dark souls.

[supple bear]

Its not though

I can find hundreds of videos of people no hit running dark souls

[merry cedar]

Oh you were being sarcastic and a troll.. Got it.

[paper marsh]

I mean I think several people have done food and armor less which is essentially hit less

But I think that typically does abuse ranged spam which makes it a lot easier

[supple bear]

Try it for yourself

Go to youtube, type in dark souls no hit. See how many results you get. Do the same for valheim

[merry cedar]

That's because people that want a challenge play dark souls. Competitive valheim doesn't exist because it's not even challenging.

[supple bear]

Competative valheim does exist

[chrome badge]

The speed running community differs massively

[supple bear]

speedrun.com/valheim

[paper marsh]

Yeah I think a lot more people attempt hitless in Dark souls than Valheim due to the nature of the two games, not the difficulty

[merry cedar]

You mean the one with 7 total entrants...

[supple bear]

dark souls 2 doesnt have a lot of randomness to it though

enemies always spawn in the same place, very few of them patrol

dark souls is also a fixed seed game.

[merry cedar]

The bustling competitive valheim scene with 7 total entrants...

[supple bear]

Its much easiesr to do the double ring challenge in DS2 than it would be to do a full valheim run without getting hit by anything

[chrome badge]

You're explaining exactly why these things aren't good to compare at the same time.

[supple bear]

One random tick in the mistlands and your run is over lol

[chrome badge]

The speedrun approach and community differs far too much.

[merry cedar]

Exactly. That's why valheim has no competitive scene. He's making my case for me after saying i was wrong...wtg.

[snow aurora]

Why do mistlands weapons feel irrelevant in the ashlands? The frostner is a life saver but has low dps. Scouting the lands at night without dying is impossible

[supple bear]

Like i said if its really that easy then its strange no one has recorded themselves doing it

Valheim is a pretty popular game

not getting hit by something random is a game with heavy RNG is pretty hard. Skill is irrelevant

[chrome badge]

I have seen enough runs that emulate hitless, like no food no armor, but the category of hitless wouldn't be engaging like it would be for Dark Souls.

[snow aurora]

Also parrying a 1 star charred warrior is just IMPOSSIBLE without taking damage. Even with a level 3 carapace shield

[chrome badge]

You just range every scenario.

[supple bear]

Even range has limits

[paper marsh]

They're not irrelevant. They're better than most other weapons, just tying with like Silver sword (maybe slightly better or slightly worse, depending on preference)

[chrome badge]

Not that I have found, even bosses that resist pierce can be taken out by carrying multiple bows.

[supple bear]

Its not about killing any one enemy

can you 1v1 every enemy in the game without getting hit? No doubt

[tacit crystal]

Almost any Mistlands weapon work, some are more effective tho.
Frostner is safe option and the additional spirit damage hurts charred well but like you said yourself, it's not as huge damage dealing there. Mistwalker is like sword upgrade for Frostner in terms of damage.
Demolisher/Himminafl are good against groups.

[paper marsh]

Not really impactful ones tho

[supple bear]

can you go through the entire game without getting hit once by something completely random? probably not

a greydwarf just walks up to you randomly and hits you with a rock

[tacit crystal]

What foods are you using?

[supple bear]

run over

[snow aurora]

I've been spamming the demolisher yet the charred warriors barely take any knockback

[supple bear]

like i said in dark souls all the enemies spawn in the same place every time

[paper marsh]

Yeah I'd say most impactful non-magic mistlands weapons for ashlands are himmin afl, demolisher, and skull splitr. Because they get to do AoE damage and stagger at a mistlands level

[supple bear]

Thats why the run is easier, you know where everything is

[chrome badge]

Most definitely you can, it just takes deliberate pathing, awareness, and knowledge of what you might encounter. Anything can be outpaced with choice meads, armors and foods.

[supple bear]

Well then someone should record themselves doing it

[snow aurora]

One 85hp, one 80hp and salad for stam

[supple bear]

It would be a big hit on the Tube

[paper marsh]

Devs prob don't want you to be able to get throuh the game by just pressnig left click. But with positoning and movement it works fine. Not that I'm personally a fan

[chrome badge]

I am on break at work so I can't check to be sure, but I believe Scales on YouTube recently did a hitless run.

[supple bear]

you can still get hit with no food no armor and not die, especially early on the game

Scales did a no food permadeth run

[tacit crystal]

Okay, sounds good and should be possible to parry even 1 star warrior... But incase you want to be safe use Frostner against them, the slow and knockback keeps you safe.

[paper marsh]

It's capable of parrying a 2 star warrior so I dunno about that one chief

Unless you're talking literally without taking damage. In which case you wanna find a greydwarf or something

[supple bear]

Theres a reason the no hit part is a question mark

on the thumbnail

Great video though

[chrome badge]

Even still, he would just need to slow the run way down to make no hit possible, it's just not an engaging speed run category for Valheim.

[snow aurora]

Then why does my guard break and get stunned, losing 100 hp

[supple bear]

No hits runs and speedruns are two different things

Although not getting hit ever obviously saves time lol

[paper marsh]

Bad timing or you're running around at less than 150 max hp

Or you have a higher difficulty selected

[supple bear]

kind of depends though, in some games getting hti is actually a time save

[chrome badge]

Right, but in Valheim, guaranteed no hit means clearing certain areas with range, adding a lot of time.

[supple bear]

Scales used melee in his no food run

he also geared himself to the teeth though to be fair

not that i blame him

[chrome badge]

Yeah that's a different scenario, and much more engaging.

[supple bear]

Scales is also the one who did the no hit ashlands run

its the only video that shows up when you look for a valheim no hit run

[merry cedar]

So bear chest/pants, bronze helm and troll cape is optimal if you choose to get armor. It also demonstrates a complete mastery of all creature types in Blackforest.

[nocturne wolf]

You always take some damage when blocking unless the attack deals zero damage. Valheim's armor calculation can't reduce damage to zero.

[merry cedar]

Yeah I think that's what he said.

[supple bear]

Why the bronze helm though

the thought of even crafting bronze armor in general in amusing to me

[merry cedar]

bronze helm is highest ac/tied for highest movespeed and faster to farm mats than anything else.

[supple bear]

Then again if you're taking the time farm bears with crap gear then mining some bronze probably isnt much of an issue

[merry cedar]

generally concerning you've played so much and don't see the absolute superiority of the bronze helm.

[nocturne wolf]

Silver sword deals more damage than mistwalker against charred and valkyries if you want some good damage

[supple bear]

I spend a grand total of like an hour in the first 3 biomes my guy

I outgrow bronze faster than you can craft it

[merry cedar]

I play nakked my guy

[supple bear]

So then why the bronze helm lol

Your making something you dont even need and will last you a grand total of 10 minutes

its a complete waste of time rofl

[merry cedar]

If you choose to get armor, that is the optimal armor.

[supple bear]

its not optimal to waste time getting armor in the black forest

when you can rush to mountains tier gear naked

[merry cedar]

Your original premise was "The bronze helm concerns me" then your premise changed to..."don't even get armor"

[supple bear]

You changed it to that

"I play the game naked"

[merry pebble]

You seem to keep forgetting that people enjoy resource gathering and upgrading their stuff, and not just rush through the game 🙂

[supple bear]

So you're arguing for something you dont even use being optimal

[merry cedar]

You changed it to that, "its not optimal to waste time getting armor in the black forest"

[supple bear]

If it was optimal you would use it....... but you dont. You play naked

Its not

[merry cedar]

It's optimal if you choose to get armor.

[supple bear]

You can easily just get better gear in the same amount of time

[merry cedar]

Which is what I said...

You cannot get better gear than what I mentioned in the same amount of time.

If you choose to get armor, that is the most optimal armor choice to farm and make.

[supple bear]

Ok mate you're the expert

[merry cedar]

I play nakked.

[supple bear]

Just seems weird to waste time crafting gear that is irrelevant 5 minutes later

[merry cedar]

Somehow the amount relavant time keeps decreasing in your argument

[supple bear]

I mean i've played this game just about every way you can imagine

[merry cedar]

Pretty soon... it will be negative 1 minute.

[supple bear]

You can skip to mistlands gear without really doing much

[merry cedar]

Then it's concerning to me you can't imagine bronze helm being the most optimal helmet if you choose to make armor.

[supple bear]

Im sure it is optimal on paper

[merry cedar]

We've already established from dozens of people that game is extraordinarily easy and can be beat with no armor, hitless.

[supple bear]

But why would i craft something that sgoing to be irrelevant in 5 minutes of gameplay

Thats the disconnect we're having here

[merry cedar]

not 4 minutes? uh oh, the relavancy time has hit the floor!

[snow aurora]

How good is a silver/black metal knife for the ashlands

[supple bear]

You're talking about killing bears and mining bronze as being optimal when you can just completely skip it and just use troll armor. Which is easier to acquire and upgrade

killing bears with crap gear is time consuming

even if they cant kill you

[merry cedar]

It's not time consuming.

[supple bear]

mining bronze is time consuming

Killing trolls as you're passing through is not

[merry cedar]

It is if you're mining it.

Since you've played every way imaginable...imagine a way you can mine copper without a pickaxe...

[tacit crystal]

Some silver weapons can be useful for their high spirit damage.

[supple bear]

I dont waste my time in the first 3 biomes of the game

silver gear is the easiest gear to get earlier, mistlands if you wanna try hard, ashlands if you want to try even harder

[merry cedar]

Me either, i play nakked.

[supple bear]

so then we agree

[merry pebble]

Then play like that 🙂 but dont go telling other people how to play their game

[supple bear]

why waste time farming gear you dont need

[merry cedar]

no, if you choose to get armor, the optimal armor is bear chest/pants, bronze helm, troll cape.

you said that wasn't true and focused on the bronze helm.

[supple bear]

In terms of stats probably

In terms of time spent vs how long its useful, no

[merry cedar]

then you changed the entire discussion to having armor or not...which isn't even in the context of what i said.

[supple bear]

We're arguing two entirely different things

[merry cedar]

i am saying one thing and you are replying with something totally different.

[supple bear]

You outgrow the gear faster than it takes you to make it

[merry cedar]

generall, you reply to the thing the person says....

[supple bear]

Whether its the most optimal gear for the biome or not is irrelevant to that fact

[merry cedar]

but not you!

[supple bear]

I mean again we're aruging two different things

[merry cedar]

You keep moving away from the topic...

[supple bear]

And you just keep repeating the same thing over and over anyway. Any counter argument is ment with "I play naked" as if to establish some sort of baseline that you're obviously way more skilled than anyone else because of that

[merry cedar]

it's my response to your argument.

[supple bear]

You playing naked and the gear set being the most optimal is completely irrelevant to the point I made

You outgrow the gear faster than it takes you to make it

[merry cedar]

which you keep coopting because you want to be argumentative on something that is factually true and you just can't seem to accept it...

[supple bear]

How can that be optimal

[merry cedar]

if you choose to get armor, the optimal armor is bear chest/pants, bronze helm, troll cape.

[supple bear]

You seem equally willing to argue about it

At least I'm less pompus than you are about it lol

[merry cedar]

Has no bearing on whether you're correct or not.

[supple bear]

I could say the same about you

In your own words, explain what my argument is

[soft goblet]

just found a clearing in the Meadows on the coast that backs up to the Black Forest perfect to build my main base here, however there is a runestone right in the middle of the clearing 😩
any way to get rid of it or anyone know of an effective trick to hide it?

[merry cedar]

I've never engaged in your argument beyond "I play naked" It's not your argument that matters. It's mine that you refuted.

[supple bear]

I dont think you can get rid of runestones, maybe bury it

[merry cedar]

you refuted my argument and completely and totally failed to back up any statement.

[supple bear]

Then you're not really trying to have a conversation

[merry pebble]

You would have to hide it in a wall of your building, there is no way to get rid of it, even using commands.

[soft goblet]

thanks

[supple bear]

You're just trolling

[merry cedar]

you're right, you're not trying to have a conversation. You keep derailing it.

[soft goblet]

thank you!

[supple bear]

The conversation is over as far as im concerned. I've already stated my point at least 4 times now

[merry cedar]

your point is wrong. Bronze helm is optimal if you choose to craft armor. It's the fastest and lasts the longest.

[supple bear]

Ok I relent you win

[merry pebble]

That would just make it reappear on the new surface above it once you reload the area

[supple bear]

Its optimal to make a bronze helm and replace it 5 minutes later

[merry cedar]

With what?

[snow aurora]

Getting mountains gear was a waste of time, used it only for a day before I got padded XD

[merry cedar]

No need to replace it. Bronze helm is enough.

[supple bear]

Probably with fenris if you're speedrunning

thats the first armor set i truly care about

troll hide is just effectively free, otherwise i wouldnt bother

[merry cedar]

So is everything I just mentioned.

It's all effectively free.

[supple bear]

No its not

[merry cedar]

It is.

[supple bear]

youll easily run into 3-4 trolls just clearing the black forest

its zero effort

[merry cedar]

You could also run into 2 bears and 1 troll...

[supple bear]

not a single pickaxe swung

[merry cedar]

it's zero effort as well

[supple bear]

not a single bear slowly killed

[merry cedar]

bears die very quickly and easily

faster than trolls

[supple bear]

just a troll heavily weak to pierce armor dropping me my free low effort armor

[snow aurora]

If you run along the coast of bf you should find quite a few troll caves

[merry cedar]

If you run into the forest you could find quite a few bears.

[supple bear]

Bears take longer to kill than trolls

[merry cedar]

no they don't

[snow aurora]

Is it really hard to outrun a bear?

[supple bear]

No bears are stupid AF

[merry cedar]

i don't outrun them. I kill them.

[supple bear]

they generally wont even chase you correctly

[snow aurora]

Bears have stupidly high hp.

[supple bear]

they are beefy AF though, and do less damage than you expect

[tacit crystal]

You say you don't "waste" time in first biomes but certainly waste time arguing here.

[supple bear]

a troll gets obliterated by a fine bow

[supple bear]

I mean unless you're a new player you probably dont spend much time in the meadows or black forest either

[merry cedar]

By the time I have a fine bow I'm already past killing trolls.

[supple bear]

Then you already have troll armor

[merry cedar]

i already have bear chest/pants, bronze helm and troll cape.

[supple bear]

you know all jokes aside

that would be an interesting speedrun so to speak

which armor set can you speedrun first. Trollhide or your optimal setup

[snow aurora]

A troll gets 2 shotted by a himminafl if you parry it. A Bear eats 4 hits and lives.

[supple bear]

I bet trollhide wins

[merry cedar]

a troll cannot be burned to death nearly as easily as a bear. Bears die in under 60 seconds.

[supple bear]

How fast does a troll die to fine bow and flint arrows

[merry cedar]

i don't know, i've never killed more than 1 troll with a flint spear.

[supple bear]

Oh well now it makes sense

[merry cedar]

the first troll kill is 3 minutes usually.

[foggy glacier]

depends on your skill and aim but probably less than 5 hits.

[merry cedar]

then i never kill another because i'm already past it.

[tacit crystal]

I'm not new but I actually like taking easy pace in this game even in early biomes. And I certainly enjoy starting building once I get "enough" iron.

[supple bear]

you do realize you cant make a trollhide cape with just one troll drop right lol

not unless its 1 star

[lone flint]

hi , do ores regenerate?

[merry cedar]

It is.

[snow aurora]

No

[tacit crystal]

Bears resist pierce and blunt, but not slash. Trolls are weak against pierce but resist blunt.

[supple bear]

you always find a 1 star troll, what a giga chad

[merry cedar]

Why would I bother with a 0 star anything...

[supple bear]

Yeah now its obvious you're trolling

[merry cedar]

I look for elder and always find a 1 or more star troll along the way.

[supple bear]

Well played you had me going for awhile

[merry cedar]

Why are you wasting your time on 0 star creatures?

[supple bear]

Because hunting 1 stars isnt optimal

[merry cedar]

It's not hunting. I just kill what's in front of me.

[supple bear]

how far away from the spawn do you have to be for 1 star trolls to spawn