valheim-chat

[west pulsar]

spawners make it so its no uncommon for 30 enemies who can 2 shot you out of mistland gear swarm you

[rugged bridge]

A little bit calmer but then again skeletons have better ears than players do so they'll gang up on you at the shore regardless, just fewer of them

[west pulsar]

its okay once i beat ashalands

then its like okay this is not bad

but fresh from mistlands

is yikesssss

[native dirge]

Gotcha...

[west pulsar]

ok but i legit never need this effect

[gray sand]

It's really not.

[gray sand]

You don't need any of the trinkets, to be fair.
And if you're full-on mage, yes, it isn't that good for you, personally. But from BF -> Mistlands it is one of the best options.

[wicked quarry]

I think the problem is that Ashlands is a completely different game experience. You go from casual experience every biome to hard mode the second you hit shore in Ashlands.

I got used to it but the first couple days in Ashlands I was like WTF is this…

[west pulsar]

i feel stam regen is useless ive never once had issues with stam in this game

[rugged bridge]

It's hell, so they did good if they got that reaction out of you lol

[west pulsar]

same

[gray sand]

So push harder with your offensive combat to use the stamina then?

[west pulsar]

they die by then

only bosses thats not true

id rather get health or etir regen

[wicked quarry]

It’s hell sure, but it’s not a consistent experience. You could create the feel without changing the experience

[rugged bridge]

Hoping DN keeps the difficulty curve ashlands created or expands upon it, otherwise we'd be getting a downgrade

[gray sand]

Health regen is one of the worst stats in the game because it is based on the tiny amount that food gives you.
EITR regen isn't a thing pre-Mistlands.

[rotund parrot]

The best setup for damage is to start with a parry so you double the damage from whatever source

[gray sand]

If it follows the track of Plains, Mistlands, and Ashlands -- it will be really good at first and then the vocal casuals will get it nerfed into being boring.

[wicked quarry]

I can’t imagine reversing the difficulty in DN now. That would be even more jarring

[rugged bridge]

Seems pretty boring to have biomes be a consistent experience, they're meant to differ, ashlands and deep north in particular are unique too since their position in the world is preset unlike the rest of them

[native dirge]

Would bows be a viable strat?

[west pulsar]

worse one is the damn swimming charm

[gray sand]

Free swimming has its uses.

[west pulsar]

????????????

[rapid lance]

Ok what the hell have devs done to the game, my pc is crashing after ten seconds in, never did this before, I'm talking full pc freeze

[rugged bridge]

Wasn't around before mistlands came out, what were the nerfs to those two?

[west pulsar]

like?

[gray sand]

Swimming.

[gray sand]

In most all cases it is combat difficult nerfs.

[wicked quarry]

It’s not about biomes being different, it’s about the game experience being different.

[gray sand]

Like OG seekers were fun.

[west pulsar]

valheim isnt that kind of game its not meant to be dark souls

[gray sand]

I will concede "not anymore"

[rugged bridge]

Not sure what you were expecting from ashlands but it delivered on point exactly what it described, a war torn land whose topic is fire, death, fighting

[west pulsar]

it wasnt even hard its scaling was just majking the game longer

[wicked quarry]

Also, the performance of Ashlands is kinda crappy

[west pulsar]

getting one shotted by everything isnt hard its unfair in most cases

[gray sand]

Title card for the game still claims "Brutal exploration and survival game" so that needs to get changed in 1.0 because they have 100% changed their tune on that being a design goal.

[west pulsar]

true

that i agree with

[rugged bridge]

The exploration is still brutal, that 40 minute boat ride down to the ashlands scarred me for life

[wicked quarry]

Each biome has delivered on the stated description, and Ash could have done the same without changing the type of game Valheim is

[dusk violet]

Afternoon everyone, how was your day?

[gray sand]

Boats are relaxing.

[rotund parrot]

It is still brutal is you are unprepared which most people playing blind will be

[gray sand]

Been a rollercoaster so far.

[native dirge]

Hello! I'm having a wonderful day 😊 ✨

[wicked quarry]

I’m in meetings while chatting in discord if that’s any indication haha

[rugged bridge]

Not to me, I'm not the type of person who can relax while operating a vehicle

Especially one that gets stuck if it touches 2mm of sand

[west pulsar]

ashlands boss literally doubles the scaling of the queen

ashlands is too much at once

[gray sand]

Stop sailing on shores and get into the water?

[dusk violet]

Sounds good, I had 2 exams…🥲

[west pulsar]

it tries to double the scaling of mistlands

[native dirge]

Ooh, what were they for?

[rugged bridge]

At times there is no choice

[west pulsar]

which its SOOOOO overkill

[dusk violet]

Better not get caught

[gray sand]

Ashlands used to be better. They nerfed it.

[dusk violet]

History and English

[native dirge]

Nice - I'm sure you did great!

[west pulsar]

i literally use my ship as a battering ram

[wicked quarry]

I actually didn’t have a hard time with Fader, I had a hard time fighting Fader while having to deal with Ash swarms lol

[dusk violet]

Yeah, that’s nice of you.

[native dirge]

Does making the game more accessible for players make it worse?

[west pulsar]

i did because i wasnt prepared correctly

[rugged bridge]

I don't see why it shouldn't though, like I brought up, ashlands and deep north are unique in terms of biomes, their gameplay being different isn't a bad thing

[west pulsar]

i did it again later wasnt horrid

[rugged bridge]

So do I when I reach my destination, but battering a black forest on the way accidentally isn't too ideal lol

[west pulsar]

but again by then i leveled all my skills a lot

[west pulsar]

i wonder if polar bears will be added

[native dirge]

I've heard there's not much to do in the Deep North yet?

[west pulsar]

deep north is out?

[merry pebble]

Nope, and in all likelyhood will not be this year

[rugged bridge]

That was my first prediction, the third bear

[west pulsar]

okay good

[merry pebble]

There is a placeholder when in will be tho

[west pulsar]

is suggesting a new fire arrow a good idea

[rugged bridge]

Missing the point, both ashlands and deep north are situated at specific parts of the world unlike the other biomes which are just randomly generated at a set distance away from spawn, in a way, that makes them unique

[west pulsar]

i feel like fire bow damage just doesnt exist

for some reason

it should

[gray sand]

Frost arrows being the best arrow in the game for 4 biomes straight is dumb. SorryNotSorry.

[rugged bridge]

Wouldn't say no to it

[west pulsar]

also what will be in the deep north? mythical animal parts? we already have the strongest metal and wood

in the 9 realms so whats the north got

[wintry valve]

Viking power armor update when?

[rugged bridge]

Seals and gremlin looking things from all we know so far lol

[rotund parrot]

It's also the best for the ocean

[west pulsar]

SEAL RAHHH

[rugged bridge]

The latest clip they posted for it didn't reveal a single new thing so 🤷‍♂️

[native dirge]

Oh right, yeah gotcha

[merry pebble]

Yeah how arrows progression works could be changed.

[west pulsar]

for all of them

most enemies half pierce damage

[gray sand]

We are not starting down that rabbit hole 😁

[wintry valve]

I feel like arrow making could use a "modular" system

[wicked quarry]

It’s ok if you struggle with the nuance. Unique biomes is not the problem, changing the type of game you are playing is.

But doesn’t matter end of day, that was their decision and I adapted. But there was a moment n the first two days where I was thinking of just not playing anymore…and that’s not what you want your playerbase to think. That’s why a consistent game experience is important.

Here’s a stupidly exaggerated example of what I mean: imagine you are playing WoW and then starting at level 30 they introduce Tetris as a way to advance.

[native dirge]

How so, Vinny?

[west pulsar]

frost arrows being so strong points out elemental damage is king

i wish crossbows had frost and fire bolts

[merry pebble]

Just stating it could be 😄 i really have no intention starting a debate when the latest one just died down a bit

[west pulsar]

my crossbow only does like 250 damage

[wintry valve]

It could be complicated considering how the crafting UI works, but I was thinking that you could choose which wood base to use, then if the arrow is to be fletched or not, and then which arrow head to use.

[gray sand]

There was no debate 😏

[merry pebble]

-# "There's no war in Ba Sing Se" 😏

[gray sand]

There was an honest answer given, personally rejected, trolling ensued because what else is there to be done if they reject facts 😉

[native dirge]

Could be cool - give it it's own specific workstation, level it up for more advanced arrows maybe?

[west pulsar]

also can we fix poison to not be a worse fire damae

please

[rugged bridge]

People will experience it differently though, sure casual players might find the biome's difficulty spike annoying and struggle to get through it, but there's also lots of people who like me enjoyed the experience of having to plan ahead and be even more careful with what you do. From what I can see the biome was well received apart from people complaining about it being too hard, haven't seen anyone complain about its design or anything

[west pulsar]

its random

thats my issue

[rugged bridge]

There's also the small feeling of achievement you get for the time being knowing you cleared the game's final and hardest biome

[wintry valve]

I was thinking that having a dedicated fletching station could be the key for it, but I dont think making "upgrades" to it would work as it would be extra annoying. Especially since its for such a limited use, being its for a single class of weapon, maybe two if you consider crossbows.

I think just finding the new materials is enough to "unlock" them arrows.

[west pulsar]

biomes were like 20% harder then ashlands is just 100% harder

[native dirge]

Ah okay, yeah fair enough actually

[west pulsar]

its a gap that basically beats all your expectations in a bad way

even in full level flametal you get 3 shotted

[native dirge]

Then don't get hit? 🤷‍♀️

[west pulsar]

and when theres 20 enemies at once and lonf distances to run around

[wicked quarry]

In this chat, last few minutes alone, there were others commenting on the design of Ash. I also like things getting more challenging as you advance a game and needing to prep. I don’t think it’s good design to alter the game experience to achieve that though.

[rugged bridge]

I see that as a good thing, the gap in biome difficulty should exponentially get bigger and bigger, just needs a polish

[west pulsar]

id be fine with 50%

[rotund parrot]

My biggest complaint about ashland is that once you know what you are doing, it takes way too little time to get geared up, find the boss location, travel there and defeat it

Especially if you compare it to the plain or mistlands

[rugged bridge]

I don't interpret "I can't see shit" as a complaint about its design so I'm interested in specifics lol

[native dirge]

I guess that's the trade off for being able to actually beat the area then?

[wicked quarry]

You can get harder without altering the expectation of the game you are playing. Literally every game out there does it

[west pulsar]

my issue is even when i leveled up that biome wasnt very funn for me

[rugged bridge]

As long as the complaint is valid and takes into account what the biome is meant to be

[west pulsar]

something about the ashlands is just soulless

[wintry valve]

My biggest complains about the ashlands is that there are laval blobs everywhere all the time

[rugged bridge]

Mine is probably indestructible crap inside the forts so you can't conveniently take over them

I ended up using commands to clear the inside of one so I can have fun building

[west pulsar]

for me you walk 15 feet and have 4 lava blobs 5 vultures 10 skeletons and a morgen pop up all at once

[wicked quarry]

Read up, you were just replying to another individual who also spoke about the design decisions

[west pulsar]

the biome doesnt space it out

its just massive enemy chunks

[wintry valve]

Once I decided to "cut" the tower in the middle, only to find out it can levitate without issues

[gray sand]

War biome has the war of constant fighting? No...

[west pulsar]

theres a point where its just annoying

[gray sand]

Time to remove the Mist...

[rugged bridge]

Maybe we're thinking of "design" differently, I was referring to the aesthetics and look of the biome, the items it contains, the type of gear you can make, not just pure combat

[wintry valve]

I dont think lava blobs are part of the "warring" faction considering all the friendly fire they do

[west pulsar]

mistlands was okay i feel that its too small sometimes

i wish there was like more mistland

[native dirge]

Perhaps, but I guess it's not really a place to settle in? It sounds like an area to get in, get what you need/kill the enemies you gotta kill, and get out

[wintry valve]

but yeah, its not that its challenging or anything. Lava blobs are just really annoying

[rugged bridge]

Hot air balloon tower basically

[wicked quarry]

I loved taking over a fort and making it my base. It was awesome. I created a stone ramp outside of the fort so I can get in, and use ports to get out, keeping it indestructible

[west pulsar]

gettin drynwyn was cancer

i had to explore my entire ashland just about

[wicked quarry]

Yeah certainly we could have differing definitions there

[wintry valve]

and its not really about settling in. I made a base there and the blobs arent a problem for my house. They just hop on it without care. However outside, whenever I fight one, they turn the landscape into a massive loot pile and I gotta go back everytime

[west pulsar]

also drynwyn needs a buff

i did all that for 10 extra damage

[rugged bridge]

I feel that the majority of players looked at a fort and thought that since they have to attack it they should take over it and make a base out of it too, which is why the indestructible parts inside the fort bother me

[west pulsar]

i feel ripped off

to this day lord reto was cool tho

[wintry valve]

The base damage on the drywnywnywn is rather high compared to other weapons. Its quality isnt just about the fire damage.

[west pulsar]

could be more

its legit just slightly better than a thunder sword

[merry pebble]

The lack of special effect is what really puts it behind nidhogg variants

[rugged bridge]

Personally think it should be 50/50 max, ideally something like 70/30 instead of 95/5 or whatever it is at right now lol

[native dirge]

You used that word before... not sure that drywall drynwyn is that bad?

[rotund parrot]

Drynwyn is the weapon i'll be rolling in the deep north with so it's good enough for me

[wintry valve]

Personally im not a fan of the "special effects" weapons

Its not that I think they are bad, but I usually do not gravitate toward stuff that procs 10% or 20% of the time. I consider those unreliable.

[west pulsar]

It's a sword which is slightly better for a monumental amount of effort to get kt

[rugged bridge]

145 slash 10 fire at base, 151 slash 10 fire when upgraded, for a sword that's literally on fire, it should do a bit more fire damage at least lol

[west pulsar]

It's TEN extra damage

[west pulsar]

YES

[wicked quarry]

I’m not the most creative base builder out there compared to some builds I’ve seen so I appreciate a cool looking place to start with 😉

[wintry valve]

What Im wondering is: now that bonemass power has been nerfed, how does it fare against Reto?

[west pulsar]

The elemental damage on ALL the weapons is too low

[west pulsar]

Just use the shield staff mate

[rugged bridge]

I'd rather have it as something like 100 slash 55 fire or 115 slash 40 fire

[west pulsar]

Yes

10 fire damage? Wtf does that even do

[wintry valve]

Its not what I asked

[west pulsar]

It's a glorified glow stick

[west pulsar]

Bad

Its 25% now

[wintry valve]

yes, I know

[native dirge]

If you cut it diffierently, the overall damage output is still the same?

So why care?

[rugged bridge]

Fair enough, I saw the fort with my friend, instantly tried to tear down everything that was inside of it lol, we did end up building a pretty cool looking place after, even had two floors

[wicked quarry]

Reto was easy mode for me. Didn’t t get hit once. Just kept distance while firing my embers

[west pulsar]

It's not because enemies have resistances and weaknesses also fire stacks on itself

[rugged bridge]

Because the elemental damage doesn't exist on it, and seeing how it's a fire sword, the fire damage would probably come in more handy in the deep north

[wintry valve]

Its also not what I asked.

[west pulsar]

Easy to cheese

[native dirge]

That's a super good point actually, well said

[rugged bridge]

Considering it's a "special quest" weapon, should make your life a bit easier in the deep north for you trouble, therefore more fire damage

[west pulsar]

Right

[rugged bridge]

Hopefully I don't end up eating my words when DN comes out and there's not a single mob weak to fire damage (nightmare design)

[west pulsar]

You'll take a couple hundred damage

[wicked quarry]

Agreed, I loved the introduction of that little mini-quest and hope it is useful for DN

[west pulsar]

Basically even with food you'll borderline get one shotted by lord reto if you tank a hit even with bonemass

If you're blocking you'll survive but his damage is so randomly high for an ai thats so slow

Are any of the slayer swords worth using btw

[wintry valve]

If I cant block it, I suppose my goto strategy will be to poke him with a battleaxe

[west pulsar]

Ideally you want a faster weapon lord reto is about not getting hit

[wintry valve]

Battleaxes pokes are very fast

[west pulsar]

Lots of playing ring around the rosy

[west pulsar]

I suppose

[wintry valve]

Like, faster than your weapon, im sure

[rugged bridge]

If I can't block it, my go-to strategy will be to let my friend block it

[west pulsar]

Which one

[rugged bridge]

Disposable manpower

[west pulsar]

Mate im like a mule that carries 15 weapons on me

[supple solstice]

The 10 fire damage is not any less than the nidhogg elemental variant damage, and the sword actually has 10 more base slash damage. Sure it lacks a special effect but it has higher DPS and will likely perform well in the deep north given it does fire damage

[west pulsar]

Who needs inventory anyway

[west pulsar]

It better but 10 extra damage is so little

And not like lightning gets resisted

So it'll be like 15 fire damage instead of ten

[wintry valve]

Battleaxe pokes are about as fast as dagger hits, in my experience.

[wicked quarry]

I’m a hoarder in games, I need inventory 😂

[west pulsar]

Big deal

[wintry valve]

They also push hard.

[west pulsar]

Yea but then i gotta use a battle axe

[wintry valve]

Well theres the skull splittur

[rugged bridge]

The thing is nidhogg's thunder variant just has an added 10 lightning damage for the sake of it, the chain lightning effect is what packs the punch you're seeing

[supple solstice]

why is the 10 fire damage negligible but 10 lightning isn't?

[west pulsar]

YES

[wintry valve]

Also I just lost power

[supple solstice]

they are both decent bonuses, but the dyrnwyn does more slash

[rugged bridge]

Because it's not actually just 10 lightning lol

[west pulsar]

Lightning is literally never resisted and chain lightning is dps bonus

[rugged bridge]

It's more like 85 lightning

[merry pebble]

The normal elemental of flametal weapon variants is also not much, but they do have their special effects

[supple solstice]

yea but you are making a big whoop over not resisting 10 lightning damage but downplaying 15 fire damage against weak enemies? just doesn't make sense lol

[wicked quarry]

Anyone here planning on giving dungeons and kingdoms when it hits Nov 17th? It has some Valheim vibes

[wintry valve]

As for slayer, I think the blood version is the better choice.

[supple solstice]

I think dyrnwyn could use a little special effect but it's definitely not any worse than the nidhogg variants as they are fairly comparable once you factor in special effects

[west pulsar]

Because its not 10 lightning chain lightning is a 25% chance and does 75 damage averaged on 4 hits is 18.75

[wintry valve]

Its a slow weapon, thus you get fewer procs for special effects.

[west pulsar]

18.75+10 = 28.75 vs 15

[gray sand]

Spears my beloved.

[west pulsar]

That's why im complaining

Lightning is just better

[gray sand]

[rugged bridge]

Nidhogg the thundering's special effect is dealing roughly half of its hit damage as a bonus
Dyrnwyn's special effect is looking cool on a wall above the fireplace

[supple solstice]

I think 10 additional slash + 15 fire damage guaranteed (assuming weak enemies in deep north) is a better deal than lightning proc every once in a while

[west pulsar]

1/4 which is almost an average of 20+ damage

Drynwyn IS BARELY better

[supple solstice]

so it is better - why the narrative that it sucks lol?

[wintry valve]

barely better is better

[rugged bridge]

Definitely not, that lightning proc can also spread even if weakened for every hop, it's called chain lightning for a reason, makes it stupid powerful compared to dyrnwyn

[supple solstice]

I agree that it could use something a little extra but im refuting the narrative that it sucks

[gray sand]

In the same way that not all Ashlands enemies are weak to frost (as that would be too obvious) I don't think everything in DN will be weak to fire.

[rugged bridge]

Purely for the sake of crowd control

[supple solstice]

yea not everything but I think we can assume it will be a useful effect

[rugged bridge]

It doesn't suck period, it just sucks for what it is, a special quest item you go out of your way to get, which is where the problem lies

[gray sand]

Unfortunately many people see things only in terms of "best" vs. "sucks" with no gradient in between.

[supple solstice]

I don't see how - it is the best sword in the game statistically, will likely be even better in the DN, and looks really cool

[wintry valve]

like you with frostner?

[west pulsar]

-10 slash
+28.75 lightning

+15 fire if the enemy is weak to it which is a decent amount of enemies in the game
On average drynwyn does 166 damage nidhogg does
169

And it crowd controls

[gray sand]

Horrible, garbage weapon 😏

[west pulsar]

Frostner is goated until mistlands

[gray sand]

False.

[west pulsar]

Compared to what

[gray sand]

In 2 ways.

[rugged bridge]

It's not the best sword in the game practically, might be considerably worse in the DN if the mob density is high, and looks are really subjective but I'll give you that one

[west pulsar]

Drynwyn is just fire nidhogg

That's my issue it's not actually special

[wintry valve]

Is the dynwich longer too or is it just cosmetics?

[west pulsar]

Its range is the same

[gray sand]

First way: My weapon shouldn't make it harder for me to kill my enemies by punting them away from me.

Second way: It's really good including the Mistlands due to the elemental damage it brings against seekers.

[rugged bridge]

Been so long I can't even remember what the sword looks like, I just got it in the beta client, saw it was pretty lame in comparison to the weapons you can make with gems, put it on the wall as a decoration and left

[west pulsar]

It keeps you alive

The knockback i like

Im not speed running

[gray sand]

I keep me alive.
My weapon is for killing things. It should help me do that, not hinder.

[west pulsar]

Well it does because of its EM damage

[wintry valve]

Anyway, the real treasure was the friends that never joined your world.

[west pulsar]

And its knockback isnt THAT BAD

[west pulsar]

Truth

[gray sand]

So it is not goated at all for me, personally.
And it is goated well into the Mistlands for everyone else.

[west pulsar]

What's the best forsaken power iyo

[rugged bridge]

My only friend is the greyling who wandered into my kitchen and stared at the table with feasts for a while (he was treading on thin ice)

[gray sand]

Eikthyr for the most part.

[west pulsar]

If bros say the deer

I KNEW IT

[gray sand]

We are not related.

Moder probably second.

[wintry valve]

My favourite power is bonemass

[west pulsar]

Bonemass but pre nerf

[supple solstice]

from everything we know so far mob density will almost assuredly be less than ashlands, and considering fire will likely be a more useful elemental bonus i disagree, but we shall see

[wintry valve]

I still like bonemass now

[rugged bridge]

We haven't really been shown much, most recent post was a disappointment with nothing new, so yeah, we will see

[west pulsar]

Yea i use magic now though because 25% is decent but like my blood magic is so high level

I dont ACTUALLY need it

[gray sand]

If I am playing mage, Bonemass is useless.

[west pulsar]

Whatcha yall think of yagluth

[rugged bridge]

If there's a lot less mob density in the end, it's got me questioning how the difficulty will stay similar to or higher than the ashlands

[supple solstice]

They’ve pretty much directly stated they wanted to reduce the mob density

[rugged bridge]

Where? All I know is that the landing will be calmer than the ashlands

[supple solstice]

I think the most recent one would be the showcase they did with their publisher coffee stain

[wintry valve]

Flip says that bit when 1.0 drops half the players will be blown away by arctic rocket launchers by snow giants

[supple solstice]

I would find it for you but i’m a bit busy rn ☺️

[rugged bridge]

I'll take your word for it, but that isn't necessarily a good thing, for now, reduced mob density means reduced difficulty, unless there's a catch in the deep north, which we shall find out hopefully at some point soon

[supple solstice]

They don’t want it to be less difficult - just less spammy. From what we know, it will likely feature more difficult individual enemies such that the difficulty comes from enemy complexity not density

somewhat speculative though

[wintry valve]

The ashlands are annoying with the constant interruptions, yes

[rugged bridge]

That would be the first thing that comes to mind, just isn't really confirmed or hinted at yet

[wintry valve]

And im hoping the deep north isnt as annoying.

[west pulsar]

I second this

[rugged bridge]

I'm hopeful for the biome's design, auroras, ice, snow, my kind of place

[west pulsar]

Im dreading running my valheim buds through it

[supple solstice]

Not confirmed but I think it’s been hinted at enough - both within that showcase as I stated with them stating they want to retain the same difficulty but with more “quite moments” and what appears to be a very massive enemy in one of the more recent trailers (they have also stated that the largest enemy in the game will be in the DN)

[west pulsar]

Because like I CAN handle it now but getting 2-3 people into without them getting frustrated

Hard

[rugged bridge]

Guess I'm out of the loop for DN news, but all I really do keep up with are those voyage videos lol

Wonder if "largest enemy" means it'll be larger than the game's bosses too or just refers to the mobs up until now

[supple solstice]

Yea i’m always looking out for any news i can find lol

[merry pebble]

More people means easier fights 🙂

[west pulsar]

True

[west pulsar]

I mean that's still bigger than a troll

Which is bigger than most bosses

Do people actually enjoy using spears

[merry pebble]

Some indeed do 🙂

[west pulsar]

But like why

Spear throwing does less than a crossbow and everything is resistant to pierce

[gray sand]

Hi.

Not everything is resistant.
And fastest attspd in the game.

[merry pebble]

Very high dps, and not everyone min maxes dmg, some just want to have fun 🙂

[west pulsar]

True

[west pulsar]

Yea but no range and most enemies do

[gray sand]

Someone can pull the numbers of every enemy type in the game and do a % to prove whether "most" is an accurate statement or just the way you feel 🤷‍♂️

[west pulsar]

Most as in its the most common resistance 7 ashlands enemies have it

[gray sand]

Entirety of first 3 biomes I think it is just Blobs that resist only pierce vs. multiple phys damage types.

[west pulsar]

Out of 11

[gray sand]

1 biome. Oh no...

[drowsy citrus]

Anyone do the Spartan run? Just a cape, spear, and belt?

[west pulsar]

Mistlands is 3/7

[west pulsar]

Hmm

Would be interesting

No shield?

[drowsy citrus]

It's frustratingly fun

[west pulsar]

At least tower shields

[gray sand]

Specifically and only pierce? Or resist all physical meaning spears on the same level as all melee weapons?

[drowsy citrus]

Round shield

[west pulsar]

In the Ashlands only one has all

Rest are pierce and fire

Kinda my issue with bows too

[gray sand]

No one is arguing that pierce sucks in Ashlands.
Let's stick to the other 7 biomes.

Because "spear suck specifically in Ashlands" and "spears suck" are 2 different statements.

[west pulsar]

In the swamp everything is weak to blunt

[merry pebble]

4/7 bosses, 2/4 minibosses and 22/54 other creatures resist to pierce

[west pulsar]

More than i thought

[merry pebble]

Still not most tho 😄

[gray sand]

Everything dies very quickly to my spear in the swamp 🤷‍♂️

[west pulsar]

We both know i didnt mean 50%

Let's be fr

It's just enough to be noticeable

[gray sand]

We know only what you said.
If what you said doesn't line up with what you meant...

[merry pebble]

If i would take your word at face value i would have to think you meant 100% 😉

[west pulsar]

Feels like it

[drowsy citrus]

Guys things kinda have to be resistant to pierce. Otherwise bows would be too good for the entire game. Especially the better arrows

[merry pebble]

Well. No...

[gray sand]

How many of those are specific to just pierce vs. resisting multiple physical damage types?

[gray sand]

Bows are inherently amazing due to range.
That is why we invented them IRL.

[west pulsar]

Bows arent about damage tbh

Besides my crossbow does 250 damage a shot

[drowsy citrus]

But why the game also has a lot of pierce resist

[west pulsar]

So its fine

[drowsy citrus]

I think it's fine

[gray sand]

Spear + Buckler is my normal setup.

[west pulsar]

I think blood weapons SUCK

Like why are they even an option

[gray sand]

Then you've never run the vomiting sniper build.

[west pulsar]

Anyone who plays the game like that has other issues

[gray sand]

Having fun = having issues.
Nice judgmental position you got yourself there.

[merry pebble]

11 solely pierce from physical dmg types, 9 all physical, 4 blunt and pierce, 6 slash and pierce

[west pulsar]

Interesting

That's very interesting

[gray sand]

8 enemies that spears are bad against.

Totally "most" 😏

[merry pebble]

28*

Other physical weapons being bad too doesent explude the enemies from the list

[gray sand]

I would drop that by the 9 that resist all because spear is no worse than any other weapon against those.

[merry pebble]

Sure, still leaves 19

[gray sand]

Not bad at all.

[merry pebble]

Agreed 🙂

[gray sand]

And for those I can has my axe.

[west pulsar]

If its two there's a better option

[gray sand]

Rectified already with the agreed upon 19.

[merry pebble]

Actually 6 resits slash and pierce specifically, and 11 just pierce, i excluded bosses if the "itemised" count.

[gray sand]

Who are the S&P 6?

[merry pebble]

yep

[gray sand]

That was a question.

😁

[empty hollow]

I'll be honest I don't mind personally bows to fall off a bit in strength the further you get, they do make combat very trivial, it just sucks big times for the melee weapons with pierce dmg, especially against bosses, you almost always will have to make a secondary sword/mace just so you don't have to beat up the boss for an hour.

[merry pebble]

Well, question was "How many of those are specific to just pierce vs. resisting multiple physical damage types?" 😄

[gray sand]

No, the question was:
Who are the S&P 6?

[merry pebble]

Ah, i really cant read lately...

[gray sand]

😂

[gray sand]

Only fix would be if they made "Bow Damage" its own type.

[merry pebble]

Bonemass, blob, oozer, golem, growth and vile

[gray sand]

Golems and Viles need blunt. Got it.

[empty hollow]

Yes exactly, but in the end you want everything to be strong viable, it's not an easy topic, also to be fair, we all like different things, one may like bows, one may like swords,magic, etc...
It's an impossible task to make them all happy ^^

[gray sand]

Can't make everyone happy so just nerf every somewhat hard thing until the vocal casuals shut up 👍😉😏

Then make all skill related things cost no stamina 👀

[west pulsar]

Is having the fishing hat still a flex

[empty hollow]

Hmm 🧐, balance also shouldn't be touched too harshly, its a singleplayer focused game after all...
sometimes it just feels bad that some weapons are just too niche, thats what I meant to say

[gray sand]

Given you can spawn it.. not really?

Having 5 star fish is a flex as they are unspawnable.

[west pulsar]

Getting it legitimately

[gray sand]

Who is to say how you acquired it?

[west pulsar]

I guess

[empty hollow]

For sure , I heavily dislike this game's fishing, it's pretty awful with the heavy stam drain xD

Gotta farm them lvl 5 fishies at some point tho

[gray sand]

Hence I gave an example of something that can be done only 1 way.

[west pulsar]

What's the fun in not doing it legitimately tho

Then you didnt actually do it

[gray sand]

Fun is subjecthive to the individual.

See for reference: the earlier man who hates boat rides.

[west pulsar]

Right then dont get the fishing hat

[gray sand]

By the time you can get it you usually don't need the skill bump anymore.

[west pulsar]

I get that i dont feel accomplished unless i actually get the thing by doing it the way you're supposed to

[west pulsar]

The skills idgaf about

I just like having it

[gray sand]

That's the main thing the hat gives you...

[west pulsar]

And swim

But i just like the hat

[empty hollow]

The hat surely is a nice trophy

[west pulsar]

It is

[gray sand]

We have aquaman bracers that make swimming free for 2 minutes.

[west pulsar]

It's not about if its meta or not

Its a hat

[gray sand]

Hat? You mean dverger circlet?

😏

[west pulsar]

Yea but that's ugly and easy to get

[gray sand]

Ugly is also subjecthive.

[west pulsar]

Bro is the ceo of being the "um technically" guy

[gray sand]

We are not related.

[west pulsar]

What does that even mean in this context

[gray sand]

I am not your bro.

[west pulsar]

DUH?

[gray sand]

You are the one who said it so how is this a question?

[west pulsar]

The ragebait is insane

[gray sand]

?

[west pulsar]

I am not calling you my brother when i say bro im using it in its more modern context "this guy" "dude"

[gray sand]

If you mean dude, I would recommend saying dude. 🤷‍♂️

[west pulsar]

Doesn't hit the same bronana peel

[gray sand]

Why are we hitting people/things?

[west pulsar]

Hitting?

[gray sand]

Me, who likes this fishing compared to bs mini games like Stardew's.

[empty hollow]

That is fair, its more active, rather than just doing a little minigame on your screen

[gray sand]

It is pretty much exactly like Ocarina of Time's fishing.

[west pulsar]

im indifferent

fishing middles for me

[lone rampart]

I’ve fished exactly one time on my current map. All my fish come from trolling the beaches after a storm, like a fiddler crab 😹
And one pufferfish that hit me in the face while sailing.

[gray sand]

Fishing is definitely worse now that it is gated behind prep table.

Acquiring the rod in Black Forest but it being mainly useless until Swamp is an odd disconnect.

[west pulsar]

Literally the only thing you've said where i agree 100%

But by the time you find the trader you're in the swamp already

So i guess

[lone rampart]

Depends on the seed. My trader was weirdly close to the starting circle

[west pulsar]

Ive had some be literally walkable

Some that are further than the witch

It's kinda chance

[gray sand]

You don't agree that spears are the best weapon in the entire game and that Frostner is complete garbage? 👀

[west pulsar]

No

[gray sand]

Good because neither do I 😂

[west pulsar]

💀

[gray sand]

I like spears.
Doesn't make them best.
I hate Frostner.
Doesn't make it bad.
😁

Only objectively best thing is Smiffe.

[west pulsar]

I wish the fishing rod could be used as a weapon

Like why cant i hook a bile bomb on it and just cast

[gray sand]

I wish "The Ripper" shot through multiple enemies.

[west pulsar]

It should

[gray sand]

See? We agree on more things.

Bronze helmet best drip in the game.

[west pulsar]

mmm

i like the flametel helmet

its edgy

[wintry valve]

and pointy

[gray sand]

Ashen cape coving half our head was a miss imo.

[coarse gust]

I like my hair
And, no its padded armour cuirass

[gray sand]

If I am being serious -- Carapace Armor with no cape.

[silk token]

has anyone asked, if i start a hardcore map NOW, will the steam achievement (assuming there is one) know that it is, or do they have to be fresh post-1.0 worlds?

[nocturne wolf]

I might be wrong but I don't think worlds track changed world modifiers so any achievement for beating the game in the hardcore preset wouldn't be possible without changes for 1.0

so you'd need a new world

[gray sand]

Starting a new world for 1.0 should just be standard practice, no?

[nocturne wolf]

Yes, we know there will be new content for earlier biomes and you miss that by using an old world

[silk token]

oh wait officially early biome new content?? what exactly did they say?

bronze battleaxe?? 😅

was this in the latest thing announcment? i chose to not in case i see deep north content, i wanna stay as unspoiled as possible

[orchid locust]

idk, most updates generally have most of the stuff in the new biome, so restarting the world is like... it depends on how much things changed for the early game

[nocturne wolf]

https://valheim.com/news/development-blog:-lighting-the-way

During The Spill we of course talked a bit about the Bog Witch, but we also talked about the Deep North and Valheim’s road towards 1.0. As you may have known already, the Deep North will be the final biome update as well as the update that marks Valheim leaving Early Access. We’ve still got a ways to go yet before we’re ready for that, but we’re hoping to make it a proper 1.0 package with new things to discover in early biomes as well.

[orchid locust]

oh

then yeah, gotta restart again 🤙

[tame perch]

there will be new mob at north

you wanna know which or not?

[orchid locust]

not sure what you're on about, but I don't like spoilers

[tame perch]

ok, then I wont tell

[silk token]

so it sounds like they talked bog witch in the vod, spose i'll skim that

[dawn cedar]

Yo anyone knows good settings for both performance and looks?

Playing on a lil low end device

[gray sand]

Best settings are "Not asking in multiple channels."

[tame perch]

when you start valheim: *cool Viking game; endgame: *check my cool magic shotgun 😂

[silk token]

i'm confused this vod is over a year ago talking about bog witch things that already exist, what non-deep north updates actually are in 1.0?

[gray sand]

Only the devs know.

[silk token]

blob says there will be new content for earlier biomes and posted a link as though there's teasers about it but i can't find it i'm very confused

the vod is almost 5 hours long though so maybe they mention it somewhere i didn't skim?

[nocturne wolf]

The link goes to the post where the developers said there will be content, we haven't seen anything more specific

[silk token]

just where it says "with new things to discover in early biomes as well"?

[nocturne wolf]

Yes, that's all I was sharing

[silk token]

oh lol ok. imean that could be wooden training weapons or bear/vile or whatever though too

[gray sand]

Do the wooden training weapons have higher durability?

(Because they should, being for training)

[silk token]

should, i honestly never touched them

[nocturne wolf]

I don't think they do but they have a low stamina cost

[gray sand]

Boooooooooo.

[tacit crystal]

They seem to have same durability as their real counterparts.

[gray sand]

Booooooooooo.

[tacit crystal]

Same as quality 1.

[nocturne wolf]

Can they all be upgraded?

[tacit crystal]

Only sword.

As it's only craftable one too.

[gray sand]

That... makes no sense.

Why add a bunch of uncraftable weapons to the game?

[wintry valve]

Its mostly there to play fight with other players.

[silk token]

to appease the AFK skill grinders?

[wintry valve]

Its expected that you would use those in your homebase, where repairs are a step away from you

[gray sand]

Appeasements... always appeasements...

[vernal pebble]

they need to add some cats

[gray sand]

They will not. Cats go to Valhalla.

[vernal pebble]

No

[gray sand]

Yes.

[lone rampart]

The spin-off no one expected to All Dogs Go to Heaven

[gray sand]

As stated by devs. Take it up with them if you think cats don't deserve heaven.

[glossy heath]

well, we also would have, that's why we ended up in valheim

[gray sand]

Propaganda movie promoted by the evil dog machine.

[gray sand]

Oh? I read the opening scrawl moreso in the line of we would not have, but this is our chance to prove we deserve it.

[glossy heath]

the intro makes it quite clear he's looking for the greatest, who would normally go to valhalla

unless that's been changed since i last played 😅 don't think the devs have ever been too certain on the lore themselves

[gray sand]

Greatest non-Valhalla applicant 😉

[lone rampart]

First runner-up

[gray sand]

Exactly.

But if it truly is "You were meant for Valhalla but instead have to deal with this crap." I can play the game with a lot more anger...

[lone rampart]

Like in the D&D movie, when they’re asking all the corpses that died in the battle of such and such: “well…yes, I died that day, but not in battle. I slipped in the tub.”

We’re that guy.

[glossy heath]

i think an earlier version of the intro made it sound more like a proving ground for almost worthy warriors, coupled with the forsaken originally being called guardians - it seemed to be more of a staged thing, whereas now it seems to be more outside of odin's control and he's picking people to go sort it out for him

[gray sand]

This was my take honestly.
Like Valks were sent to find the best warrior who unfortunately didn't die in battle to give him his fair shot at Valhalla.

[lone rampart]

It’s all a little nebulous, honestly. And both are valid takes!

[gray sand]

I mean, when Winter has an invalid take that will be news.
Until then it's just "normal Winter W take" when she speaks.

[lone rampart]

I’m of the opinion that Odin has blinded us to the reality of the world, and we roam the lands as a vicious revenant attacking other innocent peoples

[glossy heath]

oh i'm 40-60% L takes
-# ...linter

[lone rampart]

Still a decent W percentage

[gray sand]

Eh, I believe the Forsaken breaking the world tree is 100% what is happening.

[glossy heath]

it's decently supported by the branch being visible in the sky, though there are several ways that could be purposefully misleading

[lone rampart]

One of the forsaken IS a tree! He wouldn’t break it on purpose! (I’m joking of course but it’s fun to imagine)

[gray sand]

Odin has no reason to lie to us though 🤷‍♂️

[lone rampart]

sus

[wintry valve]

The elder isnt a "tree" per se. From what I gather, its undead soul that are inhabiting trees. At least thats what the greydwarves are.

The Elder is basically ExDeath from final fantasy 5, with less magic

[glossy heath]

there are some black forest runestones talking about the elder that are nigh impossible to find because almost all of the BF runestones you find are just "let all who read me beware of the greydwarfs" so lemme see what that says

think that's all

[wintry valve]

oh, so he is a tree

boooo

[glossy heath]

scared me

[wintry valve]

Vinny jumpscare

[gray sand]

This makes me think it would be cool if greylings were not a native enemy and instead had a chance to spawn every time you cut a tree down.

[glossy heath]

(of course there's the usual question of "who wrote this? are they telling the truth? did the ravens tell them the truth? do the ravens even know?", but it's fair to assume it's accurate)

[gray sand]

RAVENS KNOW ALL

[lone rampart]

So we’re fighting the avatar of the wild beasts, the avatar of the trees, the…I guess amalgamation of Unworthy Dead, a grieving mama dragon, and another culture’s god.

…are we the baddies? 🤣

[glossy heath]

oh if only, my endemic crown grind would've been so much less sanity-melting

[gray sand]

We are not the bad guys.

[lone rampart]

Says you slaughters another fuling village for funsies

[gray sand]

Forsaken are doing something that has the potential to kill everyone.

We are stopping them.

[nocturne wolf]

only the vikings who kill necks

[gray sand]

Tameable necks when 😭

[tacit crystal]

Is this continual statement or meaning vikings who kill them are bad guys?

[nocturne wolf]

the vikings who kill necks are the bad guys

[wintry valve]

Hey the necks keep jumping on my axe

[gray sand]

I don't even kill them for trophies. I wait until a skeleton does that.

[nocturne wolf]

What are you doing with a neck trophy anyway

[lone rampart]

Throw pillows

I mean what?? I would never ☕️

[gray sand]

100% completion of trophy page?

[nocturne wolf]

viking trophy when

[gray sand]

Solely so I cannot 100%?

[orchid locust]

has anyone got any exact numbers for how far sparks fly from a campfire with fire hazards on?

I kind of eye-balled it, but I'd rather not play with chance

[gray sand]

If you have a meter of clearance you will have no issues.

[orchid locust]

well, it seems like even half of that length works so far

but both distances are just "they work", not a "the sparks are programmed to not fly further than X from the origin"

my campfire could give me no problems at all for 100 days straight, and then the 101st day, for whatever reason, a spark burns down everything

[nocturne wolf]

Are there any sparks flying or does it just check for flammable objects near a fire? I haven't used fire hazards yet.

[orchid locust]

there are sparks flying, you can physically see them, but they don't happen very often, all things considered

and it's just an area of effect: the spark lands on a spot and keeps burning for a while, it doesn't seem to propagate once a building piece is set on fire

so just one spark is generally not enough to burn down a house, but the damage is there, and if it happens often it quickly adds up

[rotund parrot]

A spark wont but a fire arrow aimed at a drake during a raid will, trust me

[orchid locust]

yeah, a greydwarf on fire was also enough to demolish half of my palisade

the problem is that it also set on fire a good portion of the grass near it, so it kept burning for a while

it was fun, though, to be honest

[rotund parrot]

As much as I like the realism of fire arrows on the vegetation, I don't really use them because I know I can't be trusted with them

[gray sand]

I don't think they are programmed with exact distances. Just given an acceleration impulse on spawn.

I personally have had a half-meter clearance light on fire.
I have never had problems with 1m.
So if you have no issues with 0.5m, stick with it. But the actual final range is probably between those 2 values.

[idle spade]

scan i build stonework on the indestructable trees in the swamp?

[orchid locust]

if unsupported by iron beams, not so far out, but you can

stone loses a lot of stability horizontally

[clever torrent]

I've discovered that the chance to get extra food items with a higher cooking skill also applies to feasts. Which is amazing. Nothing like a free feast!

Two free swamp feasts so far.

[silk token]

it seems random or illogical in my experience, even different walls seem to catch more or less. ive had corewood literally snapped to a lit hearth for days and weeks and it never caught, but tried an X wood piece and it caught very quickly

[gray sand]

Yeah that's what leads me to think it is an impulse and not a defined arc range.

[versed scroll]

Hello Guys, im from Germany and looking for a Duo Mate or more players to enjoy some time in Valheim, I never played the Game and I want to play but not Solo, German would be great but englisch is also Fine, hope I can find someone here just send me message if you are interested

[gray sand]

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[versed scroll]

@gray sand Oh thank you, didnt know about the channel

[gray sand]

No worries!

[distant girder]

mornyng gjall

[opal prairie]

Evening, EVENING I SAY!

[distant girder]

its morning cuz I just woke up yes yes

but good evening to you too

[opal prairie]

You slept the whole day away?

[distant girder]

I slept almost 6 hrs

[opal prairie]

You went to bed at 16 o clock?

[distant girder]

it's 13:06 here rn

#insomniathings

finally got a dedicated server up and running last night and I'm hyped \o/ gonna probably make people just use client side mods so I don't have to stress about server things lol

[opal prairie]

22:08 here, sleep problems are do bad, I myself have DSPS.

[distant girder]

o hey I just finally got that diagnosis too high fives

[opal prairie]

Also on the melatonin?

[distant girder]

doesn't work n makes me ill

apparently bright light is a major part of what regulates circadian rhythm

[opal prairie]

Yeah I try and get some sunlight each day.
Melatonin luckily does help some for me.

[gray sand]

Interesting (imo) discovery:

When you use a Forsaken power you stop moving to do the outcry animation.
But if you are sprinting and you pop Eikthyr while sprinting, the game continues to fully drain your stamina during the animation even though you are not moving.

[distant girder]

that's good to know, ty!

[wintry valve]

That sounds like an actual bug

Did you test it with other forsaken powers?

[gray sand]

Happens with Elder as well. Can do proper test later.

[nocturne wolf]

Most animations won’t cancel sprinting even if they stop your movement entirely

[abstract bolt]

What weapon should i get around mountain/swamp age besides any iron

[gray sand]

Specify Mountain or Swamp and it will be easier to answer.

[shy marlin]

🤙 at queen no armor no metal no food

surely nothing will go wrong

[lone rampart]

You got this!

[wintry valve]

draugr fang and your favourite melee weapon from mountain

[late pulsar]

Anyone know why my campfires keep getting “put out” and then lights back up without anyone interacting with it?? It’s properly vented and covered

[shy marlin]

what biome are you in?

[late pulsar]

Meadows, we just started

[shy marlin]

can you send a screenshot of your ventilation

[late pulsar]

#valheim-help message

[jaunty jungle]

does anyone know how to explore a set radius like 500meters for instance?

[keen trench]

no way to get precise coordinates without use of devcommands afaik... only practical way i can think of is considering total world radius is 10.500m, measure the fraction on screen and eyeball the circle

[jaunty jungle]

with devcommands?

[keen trench]

https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Developer_console 👈 instructions to activate and use it, to get player coords command "pos" looks like the right one (may be incorrect i don't use commands myself, but trust wiki accuracy)

[fleet glade]

Looking to join a team of non shitty treams lo

that are kinda new

fck ive done lot but for a want a slow team that dont cheat

at likr 6ppll, plus and me two others

[fossil delta]

You can check out this channel, or even post to it. #1024264966712340510

[fleet glade]

me hablo muy beundo

[lofty sky]

whats up everyone

[near furnace]

mornin'

[lofty sky]

Just walking around the map opening up new areas .

[tribal trench]

Find anything interesting yet Gary?

[bronze gust]

has the ||mysterious rock|| always been a thing in the game, or is that new with in the last 1.5 yrs? wife and i have not played for that long. first time finding one

[dapper abyss]

I’m scaring away every deer I come across 😂😩

[bronze gust]

sneak its your best friend just starting out when hunting them. you also do more dmg when sneaking

[rugged bridge]

It was added last april fools

[bronze gust]

yup was bugging me so wife and i looked it up.

[near furnace]

it was a april joke that we actually added to the game. to make a double joke 😄

[shadow wharf]

By any chance if they’re gonna ever add a npc companion in the game?

[near furnace]

no

not besides skeletons you can raise

but I wouldn't call it a companion 🤔

[shadow wharf]

Yea damn it would be nice tho because sometimes it does feel lonely sometimes

[distant girder]

is there some kind of valheim building simulator site or something? for planning builds

I'm wanting to possibly make a big flamingo for my friends to stumble across

[merry pebble]

You can make a test world where you set building to free, enable flying and stuff. There you can test any builds you want 😄

[distant girder]

..............y'know that completely didn't occur to me and it's a way better idea, ty

[proper roost]

hi gamers

[dapper abyss]

Hello

[zealous bridge]

Jokes on you, we love rocky...still waiting on the deer zombies tho

[dapper abyss]

Damn turnips are impossible to find

[near furnace]

just hard to spot mostly. the colors are very very towned down

once you found 1, you'll see multiples

[dapper abyss]

Ya I hope so. I guess I just need one to get started though… if I could just find that one

[lusty dirge]

Also depends a lot on the monitor I found out. Recently got a new one and suddenly they are much easier to spot

[lone rampart]

The trick is to not look for them and then you'll run past like 3 in a clump

[candid cloak]

hey, i just got the board game and i was wondering, if someone here got any 3d print files for some kind of better ressource box, to store everything better. the thin plastic which comes with the box is not really handable

[sterile oak]

there's a bear near the copper ore deposit how do I beat it 😭

[rugged bridge]

You hit it until it dies

[sterile oak]

i don't even have copper

[rugged bridge]

On a real note, they're not hard to kill, you don't really need copper for them, pelting them with fire arrows will kill them just fine and you won't be in much danger

Or just simply find a different copper node

[sterile oak]

do enemies heal back up? i had to run away as I ran out

[north compass]

5 years later and ive only NOW FOUND THIS DISCORD???

smh

[rugged bridge]

Yes

[uncut bough]

guys can 1 or 2 starred wolf spawn in mountains at night even if that mountain doesn't have silver on it?

[rugged bridge]

They don't instantly refill or rapidly heal like in most games though so as long as you don't spend an hour away you'll be fine

[uncut bough]

yea most enemy regen in 50 mins or 1 hr

[nocturne wolf]

Wolves don't have a minimum altitude to spawn at, so yes

[west pulsar]

Yes but it's 9% chance for a 1 star and 1% for a 2 star

[candid basalt]

How do bears compare to trolls in terms of difficulty

[clever torrent]

Harder than trolls.

[nocturne wolf]

They have more health but less damage

[gray sand]

But more animations.

[nocturne wolf]

They also move faster

[clever torrent]

They don't have a big weakness like trolls have for Pierce.

Fire, yes, but it doesn't quite compare.

[nocturne wolf]

They avoid fire which can allow you to kill them safely but slowly

[west pulsar]

Tankier harder to shake weaker hits

[winter jungle]

you can kill them with 16 torches , much easier

there was world i just joined and saw bear very close to spwan crafted bunch of torches and got free 20 club skill and easy kill on him ( bears won't attack you 90% of the times if you are holding a torch just be careful if the troch u are using broke or they suddenly decied to attack )

you can also jump on the bear back and jus spam secondary attack of the axe too

[candid basalt]

Nice

[winter jungle]

trolls needs much better prepration to handle them accuratly than bears (spears or bows )

[gray sand]

I would say bears need more prep, troll animations are simple to dodge.

[winter jungle]

depends on how u fight them idk how u fight them

[gray sand]

Dodge until unlock buckler, then parry.

[winter jungle]

how would bear need more prep then

[gray sand]

More varied and different animations that are harder to time for new people.

[winter jungle]

as i said up there u can easily kill them with bunch of torches

and fire damage on itself is very op and they weak to it oo

they won't even attack back

[gray sand]

In a game where so many people complain about inventory space... "carry 16 torches" is an odd recommendation.

[winter jungle]

u can simply craft 2 at atime xD

u can just hold resin and wood

and they aren't that hard to get anyway in BF

u can easily get them anywhere you dont have to hold 16 torches at a stime

[wintry valve]

The moment you have bronze armor and a shield you can easily deal with regular bears

[gray sand]

Yes.

Bronze Buckler is arguably the single largest defense upgrade in the game.

[winter jungle]

your opinine your choice i don't mind it , all i am saying bear is not as a big of a therat as people act they are ( unless newer player or ppl didn't face them)

[winter jungle]

bronze armour kinda sucks ngl but i like the buckler

[gray sand]

Bronze Armor is fine.

[wintry valve]

Bronze armor makes a large difference early game

[winter jungle]

i would spend bronze on anything excpet bronze armour

troll armour much better + cheaper + no speed debuff and both are almost same armour but slight differences

[gray sand]

"Much better" is just false.

[wintry valve]

They arent the same armor rating

[shadow wharf]

Well just imagine they increase the size of the trolls little bigger

[wintry valve]

The 6 extra armor you get from bronze goes a long way at this point of the game

[winter jungle]

bronze is 8 and troll is 6 not that big of a difference

[wintry valve]

It is a big difference at this point.

[merry pebble]

You mean like they get bigger with harder combat difficulty? 😄

[winter jungle]

and the hours of getting copper and tins just for +6 defense

[gray sand]

So you're saying Bronze has a better armor rating.

[winter jungle]

not if you but there cost in mind

[shadow wharf]

Fr but they’re basically giant Smurf’s

[gray sand]

Um, no.
Armor rating is a static number. It is either higher, lower, or equal.
There is no other factor when comparing armor rating.

[winter jungle]

u can easily get maxed or before maxed troll armour than bronze armour with all of the bronze you need for it

[hidden olive]

im rocking bear armor. i feel everything.

[winter jungle]

Upgrading each to max (level 4): +18 Bronze per piece. So total upgrade cost = 54 Bronze ingots for the three main pieces

[gray sand]

You can say that you find troll better due to "cheapness" and "no speed penalty" -- that is fair.
Bronze wins in the armor rating department though, that is beyond debate.

[wintry valve]

I am quite aware that the troll set is easy to make. I still make the bronze armor set because it helps a ton against the forest boss.

[winter jungle]

which is 108 copper and 54 tin you need to mine , while trolls are much easier to take down and kill and find

[wintry valve]

6 armor goes a long way early game.

[gray sand]

Which rounds to you can say that you, personally, find troll better.
But, as I said earlier, "much better" is just false. Given bronze does have a category it wins in.

[gray sand]

"And find" is subject to world seed. I have been in worlds where I have had fully upgraded bronze everything and in that time I had seen 2 trolls in total.

[winter jungle]

you just reading the book from it's surface , by better not just the flat stats but everything else , how much easy is it to craft , how much preprations you need to craft , how much grind u need to make just for that armour

to make bronze you will need to have smelters on first place

[gray sand]

What book?

[winter jungle]

while troll you can easily kill with a spear and naked

[wintry valve]

You are supposed to have a smelter

[winter jungle]

troll armour is much more easier to get and max before the time you get any bronze armour

[gray sand]

Also... in the world of books, the words are on the surface of the paper... so you have no choice but to read a book from its surface...

[winter jungle]

puttting that bronze into wepaons or shields is much more useful

[gray sand]

If you find enough trolls, yes.

[wintry valve]

I mean ultimately I dont care. Im sure you can fight bears in a troll suit.

[winter jungle]

that's a metaphor lol

[woeful basalt]

I do feel like troll, and especially bear, armor are not suitable for a trip to the swamp. The swarms of dreugre melt that stuff, which is classic valheim, as we saw during mistlands

[gray sand]

Doesn't make sense, as I explained.

[merry pebble]

Troll is totally fine in swamp 🙂

[winter jungle]

never had any problem with it tbh

[woeful basalt]

It was interesting to fight something that wasn't constantly staggered by the ategir in the early game. bear has certainly made things interesting

[gray sand]

Depends on how good you are at blocking/dodging. As your armor is irrelevant to those actions.

[winter jungle]

yea it's in the end everyone way to play the game how they like , no one should do everything the same way ( i am just saying the things i faced nothing more)

[woeful basalt]

I've managed swamp with troll armor a number of times. I'm just upset by how quickly it becomes outclassed by heavy armor or such. I mostly wish i was playing with friends so the hoards weren't so overwhelming.

[wintry valve]

As for the grind of getting that bronze. I usually make my base straight in the black forest. It cuts the chase quite a bit.

Thus I never has trouble with getting the minerals.

[winter jungle]

untill you get to mountains and get that sweet fernis armour

[woeful basalt]

Love the fenris set very much :3

you can get very unlucky tho. I played on a couple seeds where caves were scarce, and it took multiple mountain biomes to complete a fenris set

[winter jungle]

not only one of the best armour set by piece or whole set , it's also one of the coolest looking armours too

[winter jungle]

playing with other ppl or public server to can make this 10 times worse xD

that's why i don't craft whole set of fernis armour when i play with others that much

maybe a piece or two

[woeful basalt]

I can only imagine. My attention span doesn't like multiplayer as much, for whatever reason. I like poking around, trying new maneuvers and getting lost in buildingfor hours. haven't really figured out how to balance that with the socializing.

which sucks, because i love showing off what i build, taking feedback and tweaking things

I've gotten used to playing with zero cost build mode and 3x loot drops, so i don't freak out about 'exhausting the world' quite as much as i used to

I'm still paranoid about drying out an area. Really, there isn't any reasonable world where I run out of bronze, it's just... pacing myself

[winter jungle]

i didn't have that many good experaince with multiplayer , my very close friends never been wanting to finish the game after plains excpect one (from 5 people) twice , and when i try to play on public server i barely finds anyone to team up kinda and end up playing solo in most punlic servers i join

and i tried join a small group from here or reddit but many times it doesn't end good or feel good

[woeful basalt]

Aye, I've only half experienced what the plains have to offer, and got dragged along to the mistlands by a friend. I just don't see myself graduating from the mountain era anytime soon.

[winter jungle]

SAME

[winter jungle]

i find it very hard to dry out the land really the game world is very very big

[woeful basalt]

I love building. I love the idea of 'tiered' build styles. I love renovating and upgrading builds, compounds. Again, I can spend hours building.

[winter jungle]

the worst part about building when you run out of resources xD

[woeful basalt]

Maybe, but i also don't necessarily like interrupting my sessions with slower paced activities, ike mining or sailing.

zero cost build mode baby :3

[winter jungle]

i didn't try to have a world with that mode tbh

i kinda like the grind

i been playing alot of my solo world recently and planned to make every single weapons armour trinkit food and potoins from every biome and making a base for every biome for them

[woeful basalt]

Valid.

I got tired of playing without it because of how much hauling i end up doing to teardown and redesign. That on top of the time spent grinding out resrouces.

[winter jungle]

just finished grinding BF and almost done with swamps and mountain armour and weapons

and have a rule that i can't progress (killing moder ) untill i am done with those

[woeful basalt]

I only really realized after the fact that you can dismantle naturally spawned structures for heaps of stone.

I am used to doing something of a manic run when it comes to getting swamp started. It is so scary to try and get a portal down and clear an area for that first base.

[winter jungle]

so u can get stoen cutter early?

[woeful basalt]

night time swamp is death ;-;

I've just gotten used to working without it for the early game

I don't see a way to survive in the swamp without iron and a stonecutter

[winter jungle]

getting jumped by ozzer a wraith a ambontion and bunch of stared draguer is death experiance to anyone xD

• wet & cold effect

[wintry valve]

what no, night time in swamp means extra chains

[winter jungle]

that's one way to look at it

[winter jungle]

tbh chains u can get in chests too , but the thing i want is the trophy from warith

[woeful basalt]

I built a giant platform in the trees this time, to get my smelting above the slug fest, but i wanna figure out how to build a more organic treehouse.

[winter jungle]

one of coolest trophies in the game

[woeful basalt]

huh. It hasn't really set in for me that you get chains from wraiths

do they have a use besides crafting bellows?

[winter jungle]

one of my friends that didnt play valhiem before where very disapointed that they couldn't wear creatuers heads xD

[winter jungle]

yea some tools need them

and some decorating stuff

even in plains u need chaisn if u gonna craft it's armour

or shield i mean

Building
Forge bellows
Hanging brazier
Iron cooking station

Crafting
Black metal shield
Black metal tower shield
Wolf armor chest
Upgrading
Black metal shield
Black metal tower shield

[woeful basalt]

nice tip. I suppose i'll have to think about farming chains in the future

[wintry valve]

chains are used for iron cooking station, and later to make something else

[winter jungle]

also some late game building need chains but won't spoil u

[wintry valve]

oops

[winter jungle]

lol

[woeful basalt]

heh

[wintry valve]

you saw nothing

[woeful basalt]

ah, wait, reaction spam is not allowed... im sure it's fine

[winter jungle]

i love yapping about this game so much xD

[woeful basalt]

shrugs I don't think i could go back to playing without zero cost build mode. It does result in some rather... indulgent approaches to building, but... honestly, fussing with inventories is a pain.

[winter jungle]

u could play it as a challenge

[gray sand]

Making large builds from scratch with materials I had to gather is just so... satisfying.
No cost would take that away from me 🙁

[wintry valve]

I think its a core part of the experience. Learning where to build for optimal gathering is big fun for me.

[woeful basalt]

I drive myself absolutely nuts trying to remember how my own storage system works while juggling recepies and building phases.

[winter jungle]

wait u dont use mods ?

[wintry valve]

I ended making bases in a lot of places

[winter jungle]

AzuCraftyBoxes is great mod that let you build or craft from near boxes

[woeful basalt]

I did for awhile, to help with planting crops... I also poked around with the raft mod and with... ah, my thoguhts are slipping.

[winter jungle]

works with carts too

[woeful basalt]

ah, with autofeeding animals

[wintry valve]

autofeeding?

They already feed thenselves

[winter jungle]

i wanted to share a photo of mods i always use but can't but there are 4 or 3 mains one

[gray sand]

That's more for #mods-discussion

[woeful basalt]

let them eat from chests. Never got deep with it because again, i don't get past mountains in general, and with 3x drop rate, it really isn't needed

[gray sand]

You're doing builds without the glory of Black Marble? 😮

[woeful basalt]

I have thought about pivoting to try playing with costs. as a challenge

[winter jungle]

i kinda hate taming in general ngl

[winter jungle]

i think they didnt get to mistlands yet

[gray sand]

Yes, that would be inherent to "I don't get past mountains" 😉

[woeful basalt]

I stole some black marble blueprints from that world where my firend dragged me along. was interesting to poke around with, but i haven't really settled on a build that uses it organically.

[winter jungle]

plains*

[woeful basalt]

Will get there eventually, but that might be 4-5 worlds later.

[gray sand]

Blueprints? Is this the Satisfactory discord?

[gray sand]

let them eat from chests. Never got deep with it because again, i don't get past mountains

mountains*

[woeful basalt]

Zero cost build requires you pick up materials once and then you can use them, no matter what world you are in.

so long as it has zero cost mode active

[winter jungle]

@gray sand

[woeful basalt]

my friend dragged me to the mistlands. he coudln't really handle it alone, so I've been on some dungeon runs and fought a few gjalls

I've seen the horrors, just not adapted to living with em.

[gray sand]

Yeah I don't think I could ever.

[woeful basalt]

another run saw me joining a different friend in raiding a goblin... sorry, fuling village

[winter jungle]

this kinda ruins the game for me ngl , there is no point to go explore looking for mats u need in something

maybe because i just like exploring

xD

[woeful basalt]

Tis enlightening, to see someone with the opposite opinion.

I actually like that i have so much flexibilty, to use my time to figure out how monuments and biomes actually work, and to develop strategies for dealing with them.

[wintry valve]

I think the difference is that you play to build stuff, and I build stuff to play

[woeful basalt]

Inventory management is stressful enough. The swamp eats whatever stamina ive got leftover. I really only get into the mountains for the onions and workshop upgrade

[winter jungle]

fr

[woeful basalt]

I like this. very well put :3

[gray sand]

Can you elaborate?

[winter jungle]

even though i am using mod for armour and fooc capacity it's stil lvery easy to your inv to get full

[gray sand]

Sometimes it gets tight, sure. But genuine stress?

[winter jungle]

and carrying a portal on u all times doesn't help too

[gray sand]

That's... a choice.

[silk token]

lots of games have build mode and people love it. i dont really know how… imean theres just so much of the game that revolves around gathering

[woeful basalt]

A set of bronze or iron armor and tools has a laundry list of materials you need to gather from multiple biomes. logistically, that's a struggle for me.

Multiple types of hide, wood, chains, nails, resins...

[winter jungle]

if you play with no mods getting your stuff back can be hellish sometimes

[gray sand]

You should have everything except the bronze/iron at your base already, no?
So logistically it is getting just that 1 thing.

[woeful basalt]

keeping track of it, on top of relocating it to whatever workstation i am using. I end up sanding down my enthusiasm quite rapidly.

[gray sand]

I will cut my hands off with a butter knife before I play with mods. 🤷‍♂️

[silk token]

do you turn portals off when you play? how do you not have hides and resin? i have a chest JUST for resin

[winter jungle]

why ?

it's not like every mod is game breaking

i only play with QoL

like 3 or 4 most of times

[gray sand]

Has to do with the audacity of it. I will not say more because chat should be a happy place, not a wrathful one 😄

[woeful basalt]

I don't generally boat items back to base. again, I am paranoid about exausting my supplies/access, and sailing takes awhile. it makes more sense to me to portal the materials to the swamp where it is being smelted.

I could do it a little differently. I also play with portal limits turned off.

[winter jungle]

that doesn't explain anything but sure lol

[woeful basalt]

so i could in theory just ship everything to one location

[silk token]

maybe because youve only played with build mode on you never had to learn or experience basic logistics? sailing isnt awful, you get serpent meat, find new areas, traders, etc

[woeful basalt]

This time around, i actually wanted to avoid doing that as much as possible. Jumping back and forth through portals is part of what frustrates me in the midgame. (swamp/mountains)

[gray sand]

Over the years it very much is "you either get it the way I see it, or you think there is nothing wrong with them." And neither side will ever be persuaded to see it differently.
So it is pointless to explain. If you are happy with them, keep being happy 👍

[winter jungle]

played with peopel who had modded server that based on rafts but they allowed metals to be teleported througbh gates which kinda killed the base idea of the mod xD

[woeful basalt]

I decided to start this world where i wouldn't be using protals at all, and would try and figure out how to use local resources better

[silk token]

i enjoy no portals but you have to be inventory conscious and happy with making things work and gathering where you go

[winter jungle]

again doesnt explain much but your way it's fine

[gray sand]

It explains why I am not explaining. Let it go.

[silk token]

ive got about 1.5k hours so probably?

[winter jungle]

idc about person that won't care

[woeful basalt]

aye. I struggle with the visibility limits. I don't really trust my ability to navigate the map just yet, not enough to exlore newly discovered biomes freely. I think that is something i will come to enjoy in the long term.

[winter jungle]

damme since when u been playing ?

[gray sand]

If you experience addicition of any kind, please seek professional help.
If you are being facetious and simply mean "will I enjoy it a lot?" please stop lessening the weight of the word addiction for people who actually suffer from them. 💛

But there are very good odds you have found your new favorite game.

[silk token]

since it came out. since deathsquitos were scary and the plains was the end

[wintry valve]

Valheim is a game that took me a while to get into

[winter jungle]

i did tried to play no map no portal run it was kinda fun but it didn't last long with that server i played with

[wintry valve]

Now it lives rent free in my mind.

[silk token]

its my favorite way to play, i play solo not on a server

[gray sand]

Solo is de wae.

[silk token]

yup. friends are full of lag and dumb. but fun sometimes too.

[winter jungle]

when i do try something new liked mods or hardcore that i didnt try before i tend to try it first than solo it myself

[wintry valve]

Multiplayer can be funny. I remember taking the time to grind my bow skills a ton, on loxes, filling the town's chest with lox meat and pelts.

[winter jungle]

lmao

[wintry valve]

When it was the time to fight, say, moder, I took my bow and started shooting, and someone was like "whoa vinny you shoot fast"

[woeful basalt]

I do like taking the time to look around and let the world speak to me. I get hyperfocused on projects and upgrades, to the point where it takes away from the adventure of it. the freedom of a sandbox game.

[silk token]

absolutely, 3 or 4 chuckleheads in a boat seeing a serpent for the first time screaming is peak gaming

crashing into plains, a mosquito picks someone off, more louder screaming ensues

[wintry valve]

I had that experience too. But only my friend screamed. I was just like "OH A SERPENT" and starting shooting at it

[silk token]

but once youve played it through a few times and hit those big hour marks, something about solo is better at times

[wintry valve]

But it was funny because before we actually met one, he used to think everything was a serpent.

I swear he saw the moonlight on the water and thought it was a serpent.

[winter jungle]

agrees

[woeful basalt]

I was absolutely terrified of boats early on. I didn't know that tombstones float, and i was deathly afraid of losing my precious copper nails to the abyss.

[silk token]

valheim’s peak gaming is when someone’s friend is screaming “WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!”

If I could, I would lobotomize myself to go back and play Walheim without knowing anything about it with a few friends

[wintry valve]

Walheim

[silk token]

Interesting voice to text choice

Walheim is when people make terrain around their entire base

[winter jungle]

never had any of this unfortunely since my friends ethier spoiel themsevles before they enterr new biomes or new things or give up when they face it

most of them atleast

[woeful basalt]

It actually took a tour of the wiki - figuring out that boats above the raft can generally escape from the serpent - before i had the courage to hit the waves

It does help that i can summon boats for free :3

[silk token]

thats sad. i had the pleasure of spoiler free every biome.

[winter jungle]

untill the wind f you up xD

[woeful basalt]

Nah, you just adopt a new heading like your life depends on it :3

smash into the nearest land if you have to.

[winter jungle]

first time i truly finished or reached the endgame of vhaleim was solo experiance , back then it was only mistlands was the last biome i got bored very quick but now i can play hours solo without getting bored most of the time

i forced myself to go slower

[silk token]

see… thats not valheim to me. my boat was broke by a serpent oh well BOINK new boat. better make 2 just in case, boink BOINK

Like you’re missing out on 99% of the game

[woeful basalt]

maybe. I still have to sail out there to recover my stuff.

how in valheim are you comfortable abandoning your best tools and armor out there?

[winter jungle]

i make sure i have 1 portal on each island in case of the worst happens

[silk token]

You can’t just build a second boat while you’re sailing and just hop into the next boat?

[winter jungle]

don't u need workbench to craft ?

[woeful basalt]

you need a crafting bench to pull that off

[winter jungle]

or it doesn't affect zero cost

[silk token]

I always save my lower previous tier stuff, which should be good enough in any biome I’m in

[woeful basalt]

nah, you still need workbenches in zero cost mode

[winter jungle]

make sense

but still to op for my liking xD

just imagine building campfire for free or bonfires

everything will just burn lol

[woeful basalt]

I am needlesssly paranoid about waste and sunk costs. for me, it's the only way I'd ever tease myself out of this idea that I'll soft lock myself.

[silk token]

Oh yeah, like you can just spam campfires on the ground everywhere you go and just make a trail of fire for anything chasing you that’s crazy

Or just walls. Like at anytime you can build a crafting table and Palisades anywhere anytime. The more I think about this the crazier it sounds.

[winter jungle]

lowkey that sounds usefull in no map no protal run xD

[woeful basalt]

I get to summon a fully upgraded crafting bench and smithing station anywhere, anytime :3

[winter jungle]

i seen people doing hardocre permadeath but they have the zero cost on

[woeful basalt]

It's rediculous, and i love it

[silk token]

No, less fun. Because now you need stone to make a campfire to mark your way, and now you’ve alerted a local troll or bear, or there’s the joy of packing your boat with 20 or 30 stone if you’re going on a long sale to put fires around.

[winter jungle]

it was very fun to watch

saw them building bridge of iron m=in mistlands and mountains

[woeful basalt]

I did actually campfire spam a troll to death one time. I didn't have anything better than a flint axe, so my mutant hammer was actually looking pretty stronk

[winter jungle]

was certainly a site to see

[winter jungle]

the only pain i have to start doing no map no protal sun is the sailing , it acutally terrfiys me

[silk token]

if you were resourceful, you need like three things to make a high-level forge anywhere. six copper, two bronze, two iron. And you can get a level three forge in any biome. If you have fire spread turn on for the coal.

[winter jungle]

like you can sail and one mistake or storm and lose your way

too stressful

[woeful basalt]

It is a safety blanket for me, that the gods could come in and erase every material i've touched and I've still got all i need to rebuild.

[winter jungle]

nothing really can do that though you never lose anything unless on purpose

[silk token]

too awesome and exciting!

[woeful basalt]

I'll probably have enough experience to plan for that in the future, but for now, keeping track of all those extra materials is a nightmare.

It would be an interesting experience to carry my base with me wherever i go

[silk token]

Well, I play no portal so I basically do carry my base wherever I go.

Or a base that can work well enough while I harvest things and get back to my main base

[winter jungle]

no portal and no map ?

or just no portal

[silk token]

Correct. They actually go really well together.

[winter jungle]

do u use any simple QoL mods ? or pure vanilla

[woeful basalt]

I know. eventually i figured out that the despwn timers on dropped materials are quite generous, and that you can make your materials invulnerable by dropping a single crafting bench in the middle of the rubble.

[silk token]

vanilla only, never downloaded a single mod

[winter jungle]

camprfire works much better too since enemies don't target them

[woeful basalt]

They do?

[winter jungle]

yea

most buidling that can prevetn spwaning enemies stops your items from despwaning too