valheim-chat

[azure yacht]

During the final days of PTB the rates were much lower

I swear everyone has selective memory, I'm the only one who still states this

[little swift]

I remember and thats why i like it, maybe the flametal deathloops werent to fun but fights were cool

[paper marsh]

Boss is nice but I wish he was a bit harder to use magic against and a bit easier to use melee against. Same as Queen. Ez mode fight with magic, tough stuff with melee if you're not a pro

[azure yacht]

Current spawn rates are definitely not like they were during final days of PTB

[little swift]

Melee wasnt hard i figured out how his one aoe attack works and i just abused it to be able to fight him

[buoyant ridge]

i think i found the tallest mountain in valhiem

[paper marsh]

Think it's more a case of people going to start/continue runs after ptb ended and not getting to Ashlands for a while. At least for me

[void gyro]

how do i make a wagon?

[buoyant ridge]

i built a path going up a mountain that takes 5 minutes just to climb

[little swift]

Bronze nails

[paper marsh]

Have you unlocked bronze?

[void gyro]

yes

[tacit crown]

You found valhalla

[void gyro]

thx

[buoyant ridge]

i think

wishi could post it here

[little swift]

No problem

[buoyant ridge]

gotta check clips

[paper marsh]

which one? He has 4

[buoyant ridge]

litterally tallest mountain ive ever seen

[paper marsh]

That's a tall mountain. Now to install a (Ashlands spoiler) ||catapult with a feather caped viking||

[buoyant ridge]

i was going to do that

[little swift]

Ashlands Boss details spoiler warning ||his fire with spikes follows the player so i just ran away a bit then went in||

[buoyant ridge]

was going to dothe harpoon glitch with it

[mild garnet]

Ok, Im using the "ask" armor bc I was told its good... though the armor makes even goblins deadly

"Fueling"

Like its less than carapace. Is it good when starting in the ashlands or should I continue with carapace till I can upgrade. (No spoilers)

[little swift]

I stayed with carapace, i didnt like the ask armor because the bonuses arent worth the armor loss for me

It wasnt that bad to progress jn this armor. I could survive some hits but bonemass power is a live saver when it comes to some harder fights

[mild garnet]

Whats "this armor"

Without spoilers

[autumn wren]

stamina buff with askvin armor outweighs the 20 or so armor dif between carapace and fully upgraded ask

[paper marsh]

||for me the issue was more that he kept spamming attacks, so you didn't have long damage windows to melee attack him, making it take forever

As compared to going at him with an ice staff and killing him in like 5 min

Also if he summons meteors while you're melee attacking him he's gonna be sitting in fire where it's tough to get him, or sometimes he just walks into fire (or even lava, in my case)||

[autumn wren]

its like 30% more attacks

[mild garnet]

I cannot upgrade it?

[little swift]

The mistlands one

[mild garnet]

Is it still usefull before upgrades?

[paper marsh]

up to u. Newer players I find tend to prefer a lot of armor because they tend to get hit a lot. More experienced players who know how to use movement speed to dodge attacks, and have dodge/parry timings down tend to like lighter armor

[autumn wren]

its considereably weaker, but the stamina buffs are clutch depends on how you play and what ur trying to do

i run a solo tower shield w sword so the stamia is great for me over the armor

[little swift]

Why the tower shield? Becuse of the swarms?

[autumn wren]

yea and its badass looking

can run and jump and kite like a normal shield w the ask set stam buffs, and a stam potion of course

[little swift]

Doesnt it slow you down alot?

[autumn wren]

5% more, but jumping and fighting cost less stamina

so instead of never jumping, u can jump some to negate slow movement

and not worry about big stamina loss

[elfin nova]

hy, to stack fire debuffs from arrows, can i just spamm the arrows or do i need to fully draw the bow to shoot the fire arrows ?

[little swift]

I think its better to fully draw the bow

[elfin nova]

you think ? or are certain ? 😉

[autumn wren]

i dont think drawback effects dmg only range

[little swift]

I remember fire damage dealing more when i fully drawn it but i used these arrow a very long time ago so just check it out, resin is a easy recource to get

[paper marsh]

Longer draw time does more damage (of all damage types the arrow applies I believe)

[glacial rune]

How do I cover my text notes in case I talking about ashlands spoilers?

[vocal rivet]

Either use double | at the start and end, or select your text and click the eye button.

[verbal radish]

are you able to tell the ashvkin egg will hatch what star baby ?

[paper marsh]

Yes, I believe it says the quality of the egg 1 (0 star) 2 (1 star) or 3 (2 star)

[vapid hearth]

Will I need to go out of my way to keep two 1 star asks safe or can they take care of themselves?

[paper marsh]

if you're bringing them on adventure I think they die and get distracted and run off a lot

[verbal radish]

yeah....until the dev can make them act like ark tame...

[vapid hearth]

I'm not gonna bring them on adventures, I just wanna farm them for their eggs, meat, and hide

[autumn wren]

i have a large area for ask farm they are strong and aggressive, when they are alerted theyll leap and break stuff

[verbal radish]

i will just farm the egg for future use :/

[tiny tiger]

I saw a video where a guy would save up the eggs then just release mass askvins near his Ashland’s base

Apparently a really effective strategy, particularly if they’re atleast 1 star and you get a good amount of them just roaming around

[verbal radish]

hope one day the dev add leash item to keep them inside an area...

[autumn wren]

i do this but in the mountains lol

[near sigil]

can the trollstav break the chests in fortresses?

[verbal radish]

the chest is weak , the only tough part of the fortress is the wall , spike and the gate...

[near sigil]

that explains why i haven't been seeing the chests lol

[verbal radish]

cus you destroyed them all --

[near sigil]

also where the heck is the flametal supposed to be in the fortress

i've only raided 2 but i've got none out of fortress raiding

[verbal radish]

in the chest too

perhaps it is RNG , cus i found 30 yesterday

[unique pumice]

Do the pillars of flametal respawn or once it sinks it's gone forever?

[near sigil]

gone for good, if it somehow comes back that's a bug

if you already have some flametal and have raided a fortress, consider trying a catapult before going in

catapult explosive payload don't seem to trigger sinking

[unique pumice]

Thats a very neat trick thanks for the advice

[near sigil]

really hard to use them to get all the flametal though so i just get as much as i can and go in manually on the rest

[verbal radish]

Heh , troll cave is the best breeding pen ? :/

[tiny tiger]

Are you able to get them out after?

[strange arrow]

if it's chickens, no, but you can remove the eggs

[outer spindle]

Has anyone built a building out of flametal to see how shiny and chrome it is?

[fossil salmon]

seekers and fulings are spawning on my mountain

[jolly grotto]

Yeah that's what happens after killing Yagluth and the Queen.

The creatures of that biome which boss you killed, start spawning in meadows, black forest, and mountain... at night time

[livid widget]

Will sleeping reset taming timer?

[strange arrow]

no it just won't progress and wastes food

[vernal karma]

I'm taking bets on what year Deep North fully releases, 2025 or 2026.

It would be cool if it launches by christmas/Yuletide :]

[sharp bluff]

2025, if not very late 2024

[finite lodge]

is there a mod that makes each item use only 1 slot regardless of stack size??

[versed parcel]

ehhhh I really doubt it'd be this year
Probably 2025

2025 Christmas season is probably more realistic and fitting

[sharp bluff]

2025 christmas season is way too late

[versed parcel]

how so

Mistlands released in December 2022
and we got Ashlands in May 2024

that's roughly a year and a half (weird, thought it was more)

and a year and a half from now is pretty much 2025 Christmas

idk I think that's a pretty realistic window

[sharp bluff]

mistlands took way longer than it should have

[steel wadi]

how do you pronounce proustite powder, because I keep calling it something else thats completely wrong

[strange arrow]

prews-tight

[versed parcel]

Yeah but we're not talking about the mistlands dev time
We're talking about the Ashlands dev time

And if the Ashlands dev time matches the deep north dev time 2025 Christmas is realistic

[idle storm]

if anything Ashlands could've taken a little longer. I'm hardly the only one who thinks it feels rushed. I hope they don't repeat that mistake with DN.

[versed parcel]

it's not that crazy of an idea that it might've been slightly rushed
I haven't gotten around to the Ashlands yet since I started a fresh new playthrough but

A lot of people were being insanely annoying and impatient from what I've seen

maybe that pushed them to making it come out slightly sooner than they would've normally dropped it

Like if you went on any pre-Ashlands Twitter post they made almost every time without fail most of the replies were "uhhnmm errrmrmmm Ashlands when???"

[idle storm]

well yeah because a lot of people are morons 😂 And i sure hope the devs ignore them for DN and go at their own pace.

[versed parcel]

I mean Jesus Christ it felt like some people had nothing else to do in life other than spend their days waiting for Ashlands

[idle storm]

and whining about it

[versed parcel]

yuh

[vernal karma]

It's clear they have worked on Deep North to some extent before ashlands launch, due to the north being changed, so could it be they are already well into it's development? :]

[versed parcel]

Oh, what changed in the north?

[vernal karma]

No clue, i just looked on the seed generator, world gen is different

[versed parcel]

ic

[vernal karma]

i dont like it, i would preffer it looking like antarctica, with no liquid world-end waterfall

[versed parcel]

I mean, they'll probably change it a lot with the actual Deep North update

whatever changes were done now were probably mostly random tinkering

[vernal karma]

Yeah sure

[versed parcel]

Although, without much spoilers, could you elaborate on that a bit? What about Ashlands feels rushed?

[idle storm]

Fortresses and siege engines feel underdeveloped, there's still several bugs remaining like the flametal pillar slip bug, terrain generation errors, trollstav summon limits and the relevant messages etc.
Also big fps drops for a lot of people even in pre-Ashlands areas.

And compared to frost caves or infested mines putrid holes and fortresses are pretty disappointing.

[versed parcel]

I see
Maybe there'll be a few patch fixes to address that by the time me and my friends get to the ashlands
should be a bit of time before that
we started like 2 weeks or so ago and we're only in the swamp rn

[eternal raven]

The flametal pillar slip bug really throw me off cuz when u slip u can't jump

[livid widget]

Smelters take dmg in weather?

[eternal raven]

no

[livid widget]

they were all 0 hp

[eternal raven]

raid happen?

[livid widget]

Several, but didn't see anything atk them

mosquitos maybe

[eternal raven]

i see and it weird if nth hit it cuz the storm or rain can't dmg the smelter

my smelter always under the water when the storm come in cuz I build my house on an island and it still fine

[livid widget]

must just be the random greydwarves finding their way in and chucking rocks

[eternal raven]

do u fight queen yet?

[finite lodge]

magic is too grindy

[eternal raven]

and i love it

u grind to upgrade

[finite lodge]

should i skip health food when using magic?

ive got rank 3 all magic items but my skill is low

[eternal raven]

for me i eat 2 mana foods and 1 stamina food

the health still nth because magic armor is really low

it does help u tank 1 or 2 hits with a lot of health but just go with stamina so u can ran out

oh yeah don't forgot to lvl your blood magic cuz the shield really help a lot

[finite lodge]

my blood magic is 4 and elemental is 11, is it too low for ashlands

[eternal raven]

yes for ashland magic lvl should be 30 upper

that really low

[tepid prawn]

Definitely too low, I’d recommend training it higher. 40 is a good number

[buoyant ether]

so what does a mace skill go with ? clubs?

[eternal raven]

yes

[spring raven]

middle of the ocean, minding my own business sailing, suddenly: "you are being hunted"

and it ended very cool

[eternal raven]

recommended build house on island event come and nth happen

only bat event really fk me up

[tacit crown]

Bat events should NOT be fking you up sir

[fair cairn]

arent you atleast mistlands level? how are bats from mountains fking you up?

[tacit crown]

That's what I'm saying

[versed parcel]

Yeah no what

[merry pebble]

I don't think they are talking about them dying to them, but more of the bats making mess in the base possibly killing animals

[eternal raven]

house on island

and island is not big ok so my animal alway die

right now I try to build a house for them

[tacit crown]

When is the update for chickens fighting each other so we can gamble?

[eternal raven]

U read my mind

[eternal raven]

oh yeah I forgot to say im a mage when i try to kill the bat on the island my house always dmged

[finite lodge]

so digging a pit and spamming magic on a golem will level it the fastest?

[tacit crown]

The golem will not level up from that

[eternal raven]

isn't the lvl up count on the hit

and not the monster u kill

[finite lodge]

so then golem would be best since it takes the longest to kill

right?

[eternal raven]

well maybe or just fight elder

hes vine count as a monster too

[buoyant ether]

guys im going to fight the elder and sail there, should i take all my tools with me or leave em behind ?

[tiny tiger]

Make a portal underneath the altar

[buoyant ether]

like i has bow, axe, stagbreaker, mace, hoe, pickaxe, hammer

[eternal raven]

that is a great idea

[eternal raven]

use fire arrow

[tiny tiger]

I mean you don’t need the tools to fight him, but I recommend making a portal underneath just in case you die for easy returns

[buoyant ether]

maybe i should amke a boneshield, idk if i like shields tho

[finite lodge]

so if my magic aoe hits multiple targets i get skill credit for each target hit?

[tiny tiger]

All you’ll really need is the bow and axe for up close

[eternal raven]

you play solo right?

[eternal raven]

yep

[finite lodge]

oh golem is good to level with frost staff since it fires so many times

[eternal raven]

if u want to lvl up blood magic I recommend u to fight with draugr

[buoyant ether]

also a solo enjoyer ?

[finite lodge]

yeah lol

[open mortar]

is there any way to extend inventory space? (not weight capacity)

[tiny tiger]

Yeah the problem is each attack gives reduced exp so it’s mostly mitigated

[tiny tiger]

Only maximum weight with the belt of strength from haldor

[eternal raven]

no only an item help u carry more weigh

[buoyant ether]

guys is it better to learn to dodge

[open mortar]

do you guys carry multiple armors?

[near kayak]

"Weapons get the same experience regardless of the amount of targets" says the wiki

[eternal raven]

parry better

[buoyant ether]

i kinda dislike shields

[tiny tiger]

On the wiki it mentions staffs with multiple projectiles each projectile gives 0.1% or 0.2% exp gain instead of the 1%

[eternal raven]

i see we have to same problem

[buoyant ether]

XD

[tiny tiger]

I don’t have the spare inventory space for that lol

[open mortar]

exactly my problem, i like to run fenris armor outside of combat where i equip padded

[eternal raven]

wait is it rest help with the exp too?

[tacit crown]

Only capes

[open mortar]

what? why

[buoyant ether]

i have a bronze axe and a few pices of bronze gear, that should be good right ?

goddamn i have so many questiosn leaving my base q_q

[tacit crown]

When you get later on in the game, there are a few useful capes to have on ya

[eternal raven]

it ok just put portal near boss area

[open mortar]

thanks for not spoiling

[tacit crown]

Np

[open mortar]

what are some of the best food items till the plains region?

[buoyant ether]

the ocean lowkey terrifies me XD

[open mortar]

im using fish wraps, bread, and cloudberries

[buoyant ether]

uhmm.. im stuck 😭

[open mortar]

what happened

[buoyant ether]

my boat just stopped

well a raft just stopped

[eternal raven]

don't worry some on good friend is waiting for u at ocean

[open mortar]

are you going against wind with sails dropped?

[buoyant ether]

nah the thing just went sideways and isnt pick up any wind anymore

[eternal raven]

why using raft

build a boat my dear friend

[buoyant ether]

i dont have that available

[open mortar]

you have bronze right?

[buoyant ether]

how can i unlock it

[tiny tiger]

Yeah rested buff gives +50% exp gain I believe

[eternal raven]

u can store items in the boat
craft nail

[open mortar]

make bronze nails you will unlock it maybe

[eternal raven]

yep

[open mortar]

do plains creatures attack player structures?

[tacit crown]

Yes

[open mortar]

so far i've been building portals in the open without any troubles

[open mortar]

which ones

[strange arrow]

https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Player_base

[buoyant ether]

have u guys tried abiotic factor btw ? a new survival game inspired by hl1

[open mortar]

man these plains ooze keep knocking me back plus they slow me

how the hell do i get tar like this

[strange arrow]

strafe run around their spray and then nip in to attack

[open mortar]

but theres 5 of them

[strange arrow]

aggro a few packs of lox or a fuling village on them

[eternal raven]

all enemies

[tacit crown]

Yeah best way is to just get a good ol lox to sort them out

[open mortar]

thats smart

what if i get caught between both

[tacit crown]

Say your goodbyes

You shouldn't though, just run to the side

[strange arrow]

a good method to avoid that is to run with the aggro mobs up to the edge of the pools/pits, and then run around to the back

[open mortar]

ok im going to try just that

wish me luck, already nearly died 2 times

[finite lodge]

mana regens SO SLOW

even with mage armor on

[tacit crown]

Get yourself rested son

[open mortar]

the lox worked guys, thanks

[tiny tiger]

That happen to me, basically you die

[buoyant ether]

i need more skulls 😤

[eternal raven]

raid dungeon

[finite lodge]

i was rested lol, hitting a golem to level up elemental is actually awful strat

[lunar thistle]

Real i dont get the appeal, like magic is awesome but regen and damage feel sooo lacking

[open mortar]

what happens if i step in this tar

[lunar thistle]

You get the effect of tar

[open mortar]

is it deadly

[strange arrow]

no

[lunar thistle]

slows u down a lot that's about it

[finite lodge]

how many mana foods are there

[open mortar]

oh then i can mine safely if theres nothing around

[strange arrow]

cut a trench sloping up to it to efficiently drain the tar

yeh mining is very loud, it will draw attention if there's anything nearby

[lunar thistle]

3 i think, best i could find was seeker aspic

[open mortar]

tehres a feuling village right next to it, ill be fine right

[lunar thistle]

no they got big ears

[strange arrow]

try mining the other side

[open mortar]

well then ill run like no tomorrow

[lunar thistle]

hope they add chainsaws

[near kayak]

Chainsaw? If you play a man with chainsaws wouldn't that make you...

[finite lodge]

i was able to increase my eitr regen by crafting the embla hood and pants, lingering eitr speeds it up but it feels slow still

are there any capes that could help

[lunar thistle]

imo they should work on balancing a little

[outer spindle]

Embala chest adds another +50% but there are no capes that help

[finite lodge]

i dont have the chest available yet for some reason

[outer spindle]

Flametal ingredient

[finite lodge]

dumping my whole load into this golem only fills my xp bar by 1/3rd lol and i have 230 mana

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1115488682372235344/1249278675854295171/image.png?ex=6666b8ee&is=6665676e&hm=eb6f61d9e587b865135401b466f4f33837762ede37028a271a63c7525f718571& ive got a nice little work station though

actually i cant even tell if im hitting him sometimes, i cant see the crosshairs on my screen and it creates white fog that i cant see through lol

[open mortar]

can someone explain what a ward does, and can i whitelist people in it?

[buoyant ether]

is there any point in building a dockspot ? i feel like the dwarfes finna attack it alot

[open mortar]

and what is its radius

[open mortar]

they look cool

[buoyant ether]

mine doesnt 😭

do yall play this more for the building or the adventure ?

[drowsy magnet]

yes

maybe not for small boats

[buoyant ether]

well, i got a little bit further with a boat but stuck again

[drowsy magnet]

but they do get wider and thicker so without a proper dock your boat will get stuck and you won't even be able to push it because it's so thicc

[open mortar]

does a ward block teleporters for others?

[open mortar]

half the game is the grind and building, the other half is adventure and exploration

i love the building and exploration part

[buoyant ether]

i almost got insta gangbanged by a troll and a gang of dwarves

[vapid hearth]

Uggghhh, got caught in another horde, with two valkyries
Will destroying every monument of torment make spawns any more manageable?

From 91 running all the way down to 78
Maybe I should crank down the difficulty

[buoyant ether]

im kinda fucked, what if i build a treehouse or soemthing, cant find a safespot

am nearing the elder arena, in black forest

[finite lodge]

you can use troll cave entrances as safe spots

assuming theres no troll in front of it lol

[buoyant ether]

i havent found a single troll cave tho

are they near where trolls appear ?

[vapid hearth]

Now my remains are guarded by said horde

[tiny tiger]

Mine under the altar

[pliant hatch]

If the Elder Altar is high enough above the waterline, mine out the area under it.
It's a great safe spot as the "roof" will be indestructible and the place will be large enough for multiple portals.
Meaning you will only have one portal at your main base; which is very convenient when it comes to the use of space.

[tiny tiger]

Damn I didn’t even think of using my elder altar as a portal hub

[pliant hatch]

Also, the fire of the Altar will spread its heat downwards, meaning you will always get the basic 5 rested points for the bonus.

[vapid hearth]

Fuck it. Console command ghost is a go
I can't take this vicious cycle

[tiny tiger]

What happened

[pliant hatch]

I picked that idea up about two years ago. But I'm only able to use it at my current map-seed.
It works great, I have to admit that. Especially when you use the colored signs behind (or next to) the portals to tell where the portals are heading to.
Only disadvantage, the one we can craft from Ashlands doesn't fit easily as it's significant larger, meaning I need to mine out the floor a lot more to get it to fix.

But eventually, bring a stone cutter, put down a floor and stone walls and the place can look rather cozy.
Only downside; it's not alligned with the cubes of the land, meaning you will have to hide the ugly walls no matter what.

[vapid hearth]

My dropped stuff is guarded by tons of charred, several asks, and now it's also guarded by a valkyrie or two

[tiny tiger]

Ouch

[buoyant ether]

but like, is there any point in building a small base near the elder arena ?

am gonna build the portal but just asking

after the elder im guessing its time to switch biomes ?

[tiny tiger]

Yeah, easy retrieval of items if you die, especially if you had to sail far

[buoyant ether]

yeah i did have to

[tiny tiger]

You will pretty much always require resources from previous biomes so having fast access to them is a bonus

[pliant hatch]

If you mean to grow crops and process the metals; nah, not really.
Crops grow in the meadows too, metals can be processed on the spot or at your main base; depending at what you prefer.

It's a good place to farm Greydwarf eyes and the occasional troll skin, but that's it.

[tiny tiger]

Having a little safe house is nice but by time you have iron gear you’ll be pretty comfortable roaming black forests

[pliant hatch]

That's why I turn the altar in a Portal Hub.......

[vapid hearth]

Okay, phew, managed to retrieve my dropped stuff AND pop my shield, all without console commands. I just had to eat a health food to survive one stray hit in addition to the Stamina for running and the Eitr for popping the shield

[tiny tiger]

I find it’s usually best for me to have a meadows base close to Black Forest then relocate for swamp/mountain tier close to both biomes and then big plains base near the plains mistlands edge

allows me to repurpose the meadows base for farming later on and plains base for plains farming

[buoyant ether]

thing is, i kinda dislike my first base, its such a clusterfuck after all the trials and errors, but its an okay spot near a blackforest with good copper

[tiny tiger]

My first first base I don’t count, that’s just to get through eikthyr and some copper

You are always free to remodel it though, you get all the resources back from decrafting buildings

[pliant hatch]

Keep it for now as you will be able to grow the crops from the Swamp and Mountains there as well.

When you've done the fight with Moder and move into the plains, set up a permanent base over there, using everything you've learned so far to make sure it's good to defend, has enough room to deal with the stuff from (current) two upcoming biomes and grow all the crops from all biomes until Plains.

[buoyant ether]

yeah but it would be easier to builda new one than remodel tbh :D

[tiny tiger]

Plains supports all previous crops too?

[pliant hatch]

You can even use your seed as a 2nd map if you give it a different name to try things out in the "no cost" mode before building it again in another biome.

[tiny tiger]

Can’t lie I thought it was like mistlands where it only supported the biomes crops lol

[pliant hatch]

Yup. Crops from BF, Swamp, Mountain and the Vineberries from Ashlands grow in Plains too.
Crops from Mistland won't.

[tiny tiger]

Carrots too right?

[pliant hatch]

yup

[tiny tiger]

Wait carrots are bf my bad

[buoyant ether]

so am i moving to a new biome after elder or ?

[tiny tiger]

After elder I suggest basing up in a meadows near swamp and black forest or even in Black Forest depending on how comfortable you are with it

[pliant hatch]

You can keep your base where it is.
But if you mean for game progress, yes, you will move to a new biome. One that will test your stamina generation a lot

[tiny tiger]

It depends on how close your biomes are tbh

[buoyant ether]

okay yeah im ragequitting this game

[tiny tiger]

I based at world spawn initially so I had to relocate because all the swamps were far away

[pliant hatch]

And your play-style.

[buoyant ether]

i went to thru half the fucking map, was building a little portal spot cuz well, many reasons... it got night and i got fucked by draugurs from a blindspot

all my wpns... my armor everything half way around the world.....

[tiny tiger]

Hey man it happens, don’t get discouraged

[buoyant ether]

i aint about to farm all that coper again, finna be days

and i was loving the game too

[pliant hatch]

Do you have troll leather at your base?

[tiny tiger]

Do you have any bronze leftover to craft another boat?

[buoyant ether]

lost all my bronze nails too... i do got a few ingots left....

[pliant hatch]

Also, if you encountered Draugr before dealing with the Elder, you must've been in a bad spot for a portal, as those are Swamp creatures

[tiny tiger]

You only need like 4 ingots for a boat I believe

[buoyant ether]

i think it was a meadows area with some broken down buildings and draugurs in em

yeah but no gear to survive etc..... all the food too

fucking hell

[tiny tiger]

Ah draugr village

[pliant hatch]

OH, you ran into a Draugr Village

[tepid pike]

sounds like a draugr village .. unfortunate .. they're tough at low level

[buoyant ether]

they pretty much 2 shotted me...

from a distance so when i saw them it was too late

[tiny tiger]

Unfortunate, but you know for the future and can prepare better, they are everywhere in the swamp so it’s nice to be introduced to them somewhere relatively safer

Swamp is definitely a big hurdle for new players I still die there and plains a lot

[vapid hearth]

I said this once and I'll say it again: I can't imagine how extremely brutal the Deep North will end up being if the Ashlands, only the second to last level in the game, is this bad

[pliant hatch]

Well, here's a piece of advice.

1. Your tombstone remains where it is, no matter what.
2. Check your resources it see if you're able to craft the items you need.
   If you don't:
3. close the game and do something else for a while.
   Reason, this game can become very unrewarding if you're upset as you're likely going to make a mistake in either your anger or your rush to get your items back. I know because of the famous Been there, done that, didn't get the Valheim T-shirt
4. when you're calmed down, check if you can craft an alternative armor and weapons. In particular a shield, a bow and fire arrows.
5. When you got all, head to that village, build a spawnpoint with extra food nearby and approach the village cautious. With the bow you might be able to recover your items easier as with another weapon, as you will be able to take the Draugr out from a distance.
6. If that doesn't work or if you need help, there are always players prepared to help you.

[outer spindle]

Or roll back save with the "Manage save" button when you are about to hit Play

[tiny tiger]

I mean you could play like that but it’s a lot more rewarding to get your stuff back with legitimate means

[vapid hearth]

Wait what? There's a Manage Save button?

[buoyant ether]

wait how

[tiny tiger]

yeah you can reload a previous character save

[vapid hearth]

I suppose, but

[buoyant ether]

like from steam launcher or within the game

[pliant hatch]

If you want to roll back a safe, you might as well use Dev-commands to spawn the items and upgrade them or use the "God" or "Fly" command to get them back.

[buoyant ether]

yeah well, that wont work XD one save is 1min ago and the other is 2hrs ago

[tepid pike]

the game autosaves every 30 minutes, so you should have some more recent than 2 hours

[buoyant ether]

well to be exact its 1h44min

the saves are infront of me, there isnt many of them

[pliant hatch]

The game overwrites the previous auto safe when it makes a new one.

[tepid pike]

ahhh .. thanks Thorin .. I wasn't aware of that

[buoyant ether]

i was so hyped about fighting elder too

[slender burrow]

Fuck the ashlands! This biome has ruined game for me!! Just wondering if anyone else out there feels like this?

[buoyant ether]

goddamn

what if i just try to run back there buttnaked

[outer spindle]

You'll need to sneak and you better eat all the best hp food you can find

[verbal radish]

Ashland ez

[buoyant ether]

this is taking foeva

ima do the flymode tbh

btw, is troll leather armor better since u sprint faster etc?

yeah it feels like i sprint faster

[pliant hatch]

It's "better" because it doesn't have a speed reduction, while bronze armor does have that.
It also gives you a bonus to sneaking if you wear 4 pieces of it.
It's "worse" because it doesn't offer as much protection as the bronze armor does.

Depending at what you want, you might equip 2 -3 pieces of troll armor (like tunic, pants, cape) and 1-2 pieces of bronze armor (like helmet and tunic) to get the best of both worlds.

Using different pieces from different "sets" is a valid strategy in Valheim.

[buoyant ether]

does the speed also affect rolling speed?

the draugurs are lurking q__q

[pliant hatch]

I have no idea as I've never been using the heavier armors with the exception of my very first playthrough.

[idle storm]

no but it affects the stam cost of dodging

[regal mural]

Does it affect the jumping too ?

[thorny granite]

When was Ashlands live? Login says Ashlands and server is out of date. Is it live?

[idle storm]

as for which heavy armors are worth it:
bronze: skip it, too expensive and too minor a bonus over the much cheaper troll armor
iron: maybe craft the legs (you'll want root chest & head in swamps anyway), skip the rest. You can do fine with root in the mountains as long as you stay out of frost caves
wolf: worth it if you like parrying/blocking, otherwise go for fenris
padded: worth it, you'll have a hard time in Mistlands without it
carapace: only worth it if you don't plan on going mage

[pliant hatch]

Been live since the 14th of May

[buoyant ether]

okay i prefer the troll armor tenfold

[thorny granite]

on test realms only though, right?

[pliant hatch]

No, LIVE live

If it was in PTB, I'd mention that instead.

[thorny granite]

ty

[mystic gale]

sigh there so many items i cant place on itemstands that would look really good on them like sap

[regal mural]

Throw it from inventory until it looks just right

[mystic gale]

yeah but i think it would despawn or get autopicked up

[thorny granite]

Just throw 1 out like Leeka said, worked for me. won't despawn in WB range.

[regal mural]

yeah it would be autopick, nothing despawn

works if its in the corners

places you dont walk i mean

Multiple items will also stack together

[buoyant ether]

got over half of elders hp first try but goddamn, roots got me

[paper marsh]

The ones on the ground or the ones coming out of his hands?

[buoyant ether]

the groudn ones

blinded and deaded, but he dead now 😤

i got me a swamp key 👀 no idea where to use it tho

[merry pebble]

Well i would try looking for some wet and darkk place, maybe kinda swampy looking 😄

[south flower]

how are you supposed to build a house and survive in the ashlands and have it not completely explode into pieces within minutes?

[regal mural]

I am not there yet but I assume ther must be something that allows you to survive there for a short time at least, my 5 suicide attempt consisted to run naked sprinted with rested and eitkr buff chased by so many different things at once until I explode

[buoyant ether]

🤔

[south flower]

we have a home setup in the plains with portals to the ashlands and we just can't get set up, i think you're supposed to maybe take one of the forts and use that but it seems kinda like a cheese to just use an indestructible building you know? it just doesn't seem like any of the building materials hold up to the damage that is dealt by enemies here. it's not even that we are having problems fighting the enemies, it's just that they get to our walls and break them before we can even get outside to deal with them.

we're just kinda stumped as to what we're actually intended to do as players here

[buoyant ether]

is there a way to teleport tin and ores ?

[regal mural]

World modifier

[regal mural]

I am not that far yet i was only able to make a portal on one of the spikes on the shore

[buoyant ether]

how does using portals to transport ore etc circumvent progression ? 🤔

[eternal raven]

I can tell u but it might spoil the late game

Do u want answer or not

[buoyant ether]

yeah sure

[eternal raven]

Stone portal get in Ashland

[paper marsh]

Hauling ores is just a thing a lot of people find tedious, but it adds an interesting element to the game and makes things more difficult if you have to fight your way home with hard earned ore

A lot of people play with teleporting metals, it doesn't really break any core progression

As you progress through the game you will unlock things that make it easier to transport metals (cart, boat, bigger boat, etc.)

[eternal raven]

Did u make boat yet?

[buoyant ether]

ahhh okie dokie, thanks

[pliant hatch]

It does "circumvent" it because you won't need a boat to transport ores anymore.
So you can sail to a location having an ore, set up a portal, break the boat so you can move the items in your inventory, go to your main base, go back, mine the ores and jump through the portal to get them to your base again.

[buoyant ether]

i mean boating alone is somewhat tedious tho, if i had others... might be more fun

[eternal raven]

Yep friends can help u when sea serpent come

[paper marsh]

Tin nad especially copper grinding is by far the most boring metal grind. Only goes up from there

[eternal raven]

It took time but when u solo u don't need many of it

[mint blade]

if you want you can go in world modifiers and turn down the portal difficulty so you can transport ores through a portal

[pliant hatch]

There are a few options for this.

1. build a forward base at the spikes and keep doing that while moving closer to land. This will get you (some) of the resources making progress easier; eventually ending up in one of the Fortresses and taking that one as an "indestructible" base.
2. Check the shores for a point with few monsters, land there, set up a workbench and portal and use the hoe to raise dirt walls. With Ballistae to fend off the Voltures you're pretty safe. Even better when setting up a shield generator
3. Find yourself a building where Dverger have set up an outpost. Use them to deal with the monsters and get killed, but "stay in the shaddows" yourself. Unless it's needed to attrackt more monsters.
   When they're gone, destroy the ward, build a workbench, portal and shield generator and expand your expedition from there. Eventually you will end up in a Fortress again, but as a safe spot, that outpost is quite good.
4. Combine the three options above and use black marble to build a stronger outpost. But eventually you may want to end up in a fortress anyway.

As for the fortress, shield generators are even used over there. Setting up some ballistae to deal with flying opponents may be useful too. How to fend off monsters also depends at how you went in. But in general it's doable with shield generators and ballistae with a portal to transport everything out of there.

[eternal raven]

My friends just build a base, put up wall around it and put the shield generator in the middle of the base. Never have a problem since then

[paper marsh]

yea. Not too hard imo, a bit of spawn protection to keep most the baddies away, or set up defenses. At the point of Ashlands you have ||marble walls, beartraps, ballistas, shields generators, ||and tames that can defend your base very well

[bleak venture]

somebody help me ma game is cooked

i keep spinning and my charcter is sitting or something idk

[buoyant ether]

can i have multiple powers at a time ?

[pliant hatch]

Nope.

[pulsar mortar]

no

[buoyant ether]

i feel like eikthyr might be most useful ?

[bleak venture]

bonemass is the most usefull

[pliant hatch]

It will be in certain biomes, but Bonemass is in general the better one.
Later the one from the Queen is useful too.

[paper marsh]

Eikthyr is very good. I'd say he's one of the best 2 powers in the game. A lot of the other powers are more situational

Bruh I never realized how strong the flesh rippers secondary attack in. Staggers godamn anything

bruh it even staggers 2 star fulings on hard

[regal mural]

like the the weapong that aoe arount the Eitgir something

it stuns everything around you, so far Super fuling lvl 3 and seekers lvl 3 stuns in aoe as well

[finite lodge]

is it possible to have rank 4 mage armor before getting to ashlands?

[buoyant ether]

ayo what the shit 😭 😭 how the hell am i supposed to defend from trolls attacking my village.... its completely wrecked

what the shit 😭

some fences and pikes arent gonna work.....

they wont leave either 😭

[paper marsh]

Yea atgeir is pretty OP, but I'm talking about the fist weapon from Mountain

[regal mural]

Best way are trenches or tall walls risen, the second is the kite them around and distract them from yoru base luring them away

[buoyant ether]

so id be best off building a high af on ground base ? 🤔

[regal mural]

Yeah I have attempted to try it but recently discovered te Atgeir and and and an AOE stun is pretty op

I never used it on my first playthrough

[pliant hatch]

If you have a troll event going on, just keep running (NOT sprinting) in circles until the timer expires. After that run away from your base and make sure the trolls follow you.
Try to break the line of sight when they're far enough from your base, go around them in a big circle and rebuild your base.
As long as the workbenches are standing, nothing will despawn.

[paper marsh]

I have Atgeir banned on my current run bc it's too good

Same for bow and fireballs

[pliant hatch]

The event you just had is my reason to build my main base at an raised plateau on an island.
Somethings my get there, but even with palisade walls, nothing gets inside my base. 😄

[buoyant ether]

so i gotta find an island 🤔

[pliant hatch]

I did't say that,

You can have a base in any biome if you set up an 8m deep and 8m wide trench around it. With some walls around your base at the inside of the trench you are good to go too.

[eternal raven]

No

[buoyant ether]

yeah ima just build a very high raised ground so they cant get into it, they cant climb straight walls right

i just gotta figure out WHERE to build it

[eternal raven]

Rasing wall is the best wall

[stark rose]

anybody have experience joining random open servers with other people? good or bad ?

[paper marsh]

for most

[pliant hatch]

They're also very fugly

[eternal raven]

Yeah but wall is wall

[fair cairn]

servers arent open anymore, they require passwords

also, that would be a terrible idea cause of grieving and other similar stuff

[merry sun]

Eikhtyr and Bonemass on top

[eternal raven]

Can I put queen on third best cuz that the only power for mage

[stark rose]

no, open community servers still exist and a lot of people just put the password in the name of the server

[fair cairn]

hence the second thing i said, that would be terrible ideas but you do you

[eternal raven]

Why it have password? Did sth bad happen

[finite lodge]

whats with the enemy density in ashlands

[fair cairn]

plenty of bad happened yet people still believe int he good of the internet

[stark rose]

its supposed to feel like were invading a land controlled by a hostile force/army is the reason ive heard most

[finite lodge]

there shuold be a stealth option lol

[stark rose]

you can level stealth skill

[eternal raven]

Now I can imagine what thing happen with open server. Cause last year of my Minecraft open server some ppl build some beautiful structure and destroy other ppl house

[finite lodge]

and stealth into ashlands?

[stark rose]

i just hate how as soon as you hit a rock or tree all of a sudden half the entire biome zeros in on your location and swarms you

[finite lodge]

no amount of restoring my saves have been able to help me xD

[merry sun]

Ashlands is a place to fight or run, ir you cant fight, run, If you cant run, fight, but do anything to survive

[fair cairn]

this game isnt meant to be a MMO its meant to be played alone or wth freinds that you trust
a open server is the exact thing this game isnt meant for

[stark rose]

im sure youre a leading dev and put that info in the game discription

[eternal raven]

Yep and in my Minecraft server some ppl build 911

[stark rose]

choosing to allow others into your server is a choice. its a risk some people like and welcome

[paper marsh]

I wouldn't say only power for mage. The others work well with mage too

[eternal raven]

Yeah

[stark rose]

wards exist for a reason

[merry sun]

The only Etr Related

[eternal raven]

Oh yeah I forgot about it

[merry sun]

id think protecting base against other players is hardest than against Raids

[azure yacht]

The problem is when those same people know that and still go everywhere and whine about someone they themselves allowed griefed

No one cares if you suffer the consequences of your own actions.

What's annoying is how you blame others for it

[stark rose]

i agree with that, accept the consequences of your actions

[eternal raven]

Can't trust much ppl on the internet

Game like CSGO and lol already an example for bad ppl on the internet

[finite lodge]

my friend was loading into valheim for the first time so i let him come to my server and told him to take my portal i left for him at the forsaken stones, which brought him to my underground dungeon with no escape -- is this griefing

[pliant hatch]

I guess you never encountered the spawn killers in Battlefield or CoD games....

[stark rose]

only if you destroyed the portal

[eternal raven]

Never play it

[finite lodge]

lol i instantly destroyed it but also left a bronze bar in his cage for good measure so he couldnt teleport out

[eternal raven]

I can say I'm a toxic person too since I'm a lol player

[eternal raven]

Bruh

Hmmm an idea build a jail

[placid torrent]

hmm I can't seem to get the /stats command to work my server? Is it single player only?

[eternal raven]

Did u put -console in the property setting

[placid torrent]

yea that is in my launch settings on steam

[eternal raven]

Hmm

[placid torrent]

tried it in both Chat and Console windows :S

[nocturne wolf]

You need to use the devcommands command and be the host of a world to use dev commands

[placid torrent]

I am

[nocturne wolf]

Is the world hosted in-game or on a dedicated server?

[eternal raven]

That weird

[placid torrent]

dedicated server

[nocturne wolf]

The game won't consider you a host unless the world is hosted in-game

Go on a single player world and see your stats there

[placid torrent]

ok ill try single real quick

oh yea works on single player.. but it prints a list versus showinug the UI I found last time I did this?

is there a different command for the UI pop-up stats?

oh wait, jk

[digital wave]

i hate how the enemies will chase you infinitely, i just wanna go home i dont want to fight every goddamn mob in ashlands

also the fact that i can barely explore in ashlands bcz by the time i get to where i wanna be, from my basr, its already nighttime and i have to return 😭

[nimble scarab]

is the greydwarf nest nerfed? I see less monsters spawned

[ripe narwhal]

Guys I'm new to mistlands and i need to ask, does boss of mistlands spawn in open world? I just got killed in 2hits by big something which I guess is the queen but I'm not sure

[pliant hatch]

Queen spawns in an underground area. And she's larger than bonemass, if you need a reference.
She may spawn outside her location due to a glitch, though.

So question:

Were you near any structure having a large staircase leading to a small stone platform and a runestone with blue runes?
If so, that might be the Queen's location and she's likely glitched.

If not, my guess is that you ran into a Seeker Soldier (when on land) or a Gjall (which is in the air).

[fair cairn]

uh... she doesnt spawn at all unless you summon her and event hen she shouldnt normally be outside

[pliant hatch]

Queen is the only boss that's already spawned in the world without being summoned.
The only time you need to summon her is when you want to fight her again.

[fair cairn]

ahh but then yould also be seeing a big health bar if it was her so yould know if its the boss

[ripe narwhal]

I mean this thing was way bigger than mob and it set me on fire

Idk where I was honestly I was fighting some small mobs

[nocturne wolf]

Did it fly? If it did, it was a gjall

[ripe narwhal]

It was on ground

[fair cairn]

did you see a big health bar?

[ripe narwhal]

You mean it should be on screen or above mob

[fair cairn]

on your screen int he top

[nocturne wolf]

A health bar at the top of the screen is a boss' health bar

[pliant hatch]

The only creatures able to set you on fire in the Mistlands are Dverger Mages - which are shorter than you are - and a Gjall.
The latter fly, but can appear close to the ground due to that being very uneven.

[ripe narwhal]

Nah there wasnt

[fair cairn]

soa gjall

[nocturne wolf]

Can you send a screenshot in #screenshots or #valheim-help ?

[ripe narwhal]

How is it possible that normal mob 2shot me

[fair cairn]

and from what thorin said the queen doesnt set you on fire

[nocturne wolf]

It probably had stars

[ripe narwhal]

That's crazy

[fair cairn]

i mean plenty of mobs can two shot you lol

[nocturne wolf]

Starred enemies are much stronger in later biomes

[pliant hatch]

The kind of armor you wear can have its influence too.
When being under attack by a Gjall and wearing Root Harnesk, you're very vunerable to the fire effect of that attack, which is a good cause for insta kill as well.

[ripe narwhal]

So I guess I better carry fire res now

[pliant hatch]

Root Harnesk is great when dealing with seeker and even seeker soldiers. But it's a Pain (pun intended) in the butt the moment you piss off a dverger with a fire staff or a gjall.

[fair cairn]

what armor you wearing?

[ripe narwhal]

Padded maxed

[nocturne wolf]

Did this happen at day or night?

[ripe narwhal]

Idk hard to see anything in this fog

[minor flicker]

does ||bonemaw meat|| have any other use then to just cook it?

[nocturne wolf]

Was it one of these? https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Gjall

[tepid prawn]

no

[shy marlin]

seeker soldiers don't do pierce what are you on about

[pliant hatch]

Not at the moment, but we never know what'll happen with Deep North

[pliant hatch]

I'm trying to help somebody with a problem (s)he encountered. But unlike you I haven't memorized the entire wiki, thus I can make mistakes.

[shy marlin]

I'ts fine to help people out, but if you're gonna help them out at least get your facts straight that's all

Misleading a person trying to understand/solve a problem is hurting them even more

[hidden gorge]

it wasn't that misleading, and largely correct. however the part that really gets me is

But it's a Pain (pun intended)
I'm missing the pun altogether

[ripe narwhal]

Alr I came back for items and yeah there was this fire dude but when he hit me he literally almsot dealt no damage

I'm pretty sure before I saw mantis mob or smth

[shy marlin]

Misinformation is still misinformation, imagine approaching a seeker soldier thinking you're protected with the harnesk and then BAM

[pliant hatch]

Well, in that case I let you! do the helping and I'm going to do the back seat driving.

[lament hearth]

Does blocking give more xp when you parry ?

[ripe narwhal]

I'll try to kill horde of mobs that is chasing me and I'll look arouns

[hidden gorge]

ehh, sure. but I approach valheim as a game of exploration and discovery -- when you find something that goes BAM, you come back again with newfound knowledge

[hidden gorge]

oh, apparently yes -- its the only thing that affects blocking xp amount

[pliant hatch]

I was making the reference of your character being in pain when it burns, and the pain in the butt it is because that mostly happens from something that's friendly at first and hostile the moment you attempt to "borrow" something from them.

After all, we have Dverger mages using fire staffs and those using ice staffs. And with Root Harnesk you are more vunerable to fire.

[hidden gorge]

i'm sorry, I'm still not seeing how that's a pun, but its ok

[pliant hatch]

No worries. I guess it might be just a bit misleading as well. 😉

[tacit crown]

Yes, blocking gives 0.5 parrying gives 1

[eternal raven]

At this point should we use spoil filter or not

[rapid pivot]

What is default_old - stable build? (ashlands or no ashlands?)

[junior fjord]

[eternal raven]

Cause we all spoil like everything

[shy marlin]

how dare i commit the horrible crime of having basic game knowledge

[valid minnow]

what will next update be?

[eternal raven]

How do all of gamer can remember all the stuff in the game they play but with study some of us can't remember it

[eternal raven]

Deep north?

[pliant hatch]

Most likely deep north but we haven't had any confirmation yet if that's actually going to be the next update.

[drowsy magnet]

im guessing with. No ashlands is default_preal

[valid minnow]

i saw some ppl saying ocean gonna get an update

[eternal raven]

Hey ocean update not a bad idea

[elfin narwhal]

anybody know where i can get the "valheim ashlands" logo as a png? any help would be appreciated

[rapid pivot]

Tested it, it's only up till 2024

no ash

[azure yacht]

Pure speculation

Or more like wishful thinking

[ripe narwhal]

Will dvegrs attack me when I start to destroy their stuff?

[nocturne wolf]

Yes, but not if an enemy has already destroyed the ward there

[paper marsh]

Yes

[ripe narwhal]

Are they strong?

[azure yacht]

They only do if you damage something while the ward is active

[nocturne wolf]

Yes, it's best to get a few enemies to weaken them first

[paper marsh]

Crossbow rogues no. Mages very much so. Ice mages extra much so

[azure yacht]

They destroy seekers easily while you struggle...

Guess

[ripe narwhal]

Alr do they have even good loot?

[near sigil]

they have "required" loot

[ripe narwhal]

Mhm alr

[nocturne wolf]

The component crates contain an item required for progression

[paper marsh]

Mostly they have 1 thing you need to get most the mistlands gear, but it’s only in some dvergr outposts. Look for a blue glowing crate

[near sigil]

after you get your first crate, it's just whether you like whatever they protecting in their mining outpost (mostly skulls you're after)

[ripe narwhal]

Ye there is one

[azure yacht]

You shouldn't be happy with less than three of the required device

Better if you get four or more

[near sigil]

some people get away with 2 or even 1, so don't fret too much

just depends on how much you play

[paper marsh]

I’d say 3 is a good amount, unless you’re trying to supply many players

[ripe narwhal]

Does the yagluth power counter completely their magic or they still do a lot of dmg

[near sigil]

halves, i believe

[azure yacht]

You're underestimating the costs of eitr food from ashlands

[paper marsh]

Makes it half damage. Although, I’d recommend just using a fire resist and frost resist potion instead. Boss power is better used for eikthyr or bonemass power

[near sigil]

and that's halved before armor so that's significant

[ripe narwhal]

Mhm ok

[near sigil]

saw someone the other day with only 2 for 2 people playing, so honestly it's really just how much you play the game

[paper marsh]

No, I think I just don’t see high production as too big a requirement, by checking a few frequently I feel like I get enough. Of course some people would rather check a lot of extractors infrequently

[ripe narwhal]

Will mistland dungeons have glow effect like outposts?

[near sigil]

kindaaaaaa, they have wisplights in front of them, but basically every structure has wisplights

[ripe narwhal]

Alr alr

[near sigil]

you'll know it's a dungeon if there's enemies guarding the entrance

[paper marsh]

Some will have a staircase with a glow effect outside, some will be in the basement if an abandoned dvergr outpost ruin with no glow outside

[near sigil]

just check every structure and you'll eventually stumble on one

[lament hearth]

Aren't there any stone floors that are like a pizza shape ?

[near furnace]

no

[azure yacht]

And I'm one of them

Besides, four extractors is the exact amount for two full refineries.

[paper marsh]

mhm. I don't think I've ever had more than 1 refinery

That said though I often get 6-7 sap extractors

[knotty ravine]

Guys when the bug with fishing in Ashlands is gonna be fixed? ive been trying to get fish to bite Hot fishing bait for hours now. nothin works. please fix 🤷‍♂️

[paper marsh]

It's fixed in the test branch, so probably soon

[wet lodge]

huh, I never tried getting tar on black forest gear with iron shield

is totally viable

[sharp bluff]

well, the plains are dangerous but kinda honest

[wet lodge]

technically dont even need the shield for the growths, but fulings and squitos are a pain

[wet lodge]

only dangerous thing are lox

[sharp bluff]

backstabbing mosquitos

[wet lodge]

they do be coming out of nowhere

but if you have 100 hp, they dont even deal 50% hp

[paper marsh]

they deal 90 damage yea. So with a bit of armor it's not bad on normal diff

And they can be killed easily with a finewood bow or spear or any melee weapon

[wet lodge]

using razor and shield :p

[fair cairn]

razor is technically iron tier

[river mango]

Im about to beat swamp biome in hardcore and ive been thinking should i just focus on stam and dodging on further biomes? Is the damge too high to tank

[paper marsh]

by hardcore do you mean Very Hard?

[river mango]

Yeah

Should i just make movement speed gear/magic

[near kayak]

Dodge is mandatory in the mountain

[paper marsh]

Yea I wouldn't focus on tanking much. I'd say go for 2 hp foods most the time so you can tank 1 hit maybe 2, and 3 hp foods in something like infested mines or sunken crypts can be good

But mostly the philosophy is to not get hit, and I recommend going for light armors to aid in that

^ coming from someone who beat the game on vhard pre-ashlands without dying and without cheesing

[azure yacht]

Root harnesk

[river mango]

Yeah i just max trollhide armor and lvl 50 knives rn. Prob use that till cult wolf gear then magic was my idea

[sharp bluff]

root armour is amazing

[azure yacht]

Root harnesk + two heavy armor pieces make everything that deals pierce into a joke. Even deathsquitos

They essentially become just a faster greyling

[shrewd zodiac]

can anyone help me build a massive house i cant do it ive tried some of you awesome folk can i cant knack it so can i ask for a master builder to come and give aid

[sharp bluff]

resistance pieces in general are extremely good

[lament hearth]

Why doesn't it start a day when I and my friend sleep in different places ?

[woeful yacht]

It should

[drowsy citrus]

Anyone know if summoned trolls can break into a fortress door?

[merry pebble]

i dont think they can unfortunately

[wet lodge]

you can get the razor at pre bronze though

[shrewd zodiac]

i take the silence as a no

[wet lodge]

tbf a karve makes it easier, but you can

[merry pebble]

you can, but its stats corespond to iron tier 🙂

thats why its great choice for early weapon

[buoyant ether]

okay so, trolls wrecked my base, i got the swamp key.... now should i find a new place to build on asap ? or tryna locate the swamp 🤔

[wet lodge]

imo tiers are defined by when you can get it reasonably, not by its stats

and that would put the razor on bronze tier

[merry pebble]

that would mean that there are 2 knives in bronze tier tho...

[wet lodge]

ive never in my life made the copper knife

[merry pebble]

but it is there 😉

[vernal karma]

it is decent

kinda worth upgrading too, but later daggers are not

[merry pebble]

i would say that razor is nice to upgrade if you have lots of chitin (and if you already have harpoon) since you will never use it anyway

[livid widget]

refried beans!

dang wrong chat

[lament hearth]

Can you reroll to a previous save in valheim ?

[wet lodge]

does valheim run on single core? these performance issues getting rather noticeable

had to drop draw distance down to high to get back to 60 fps

[merry pebble]

you should be able to, i never did so cant really tell you exactly how but it should be possible

[vernal karma]

is the not a backup button?

[signal bloom]

Man rng is killing me been to 3 ashlands continents, no fortress yet

[lament hearth]

how much % do you lose when u die ?

[signal bloom]

5% of current skill level

[vernal karma]

default is 5% of all levels + any level progress, so about 12-15% of all exp gained.

[paper marsh]

whoa where is 12-15% coming from

[vernal karma]

the highest levels are lost, the highest levels contain much much more exp then the average level

[wet lodge]

torches needing so much fuel is kind of a shame tbh, I want to use green torches for my portal but the consumption rate is insane

[azure yacht]

"I made it that fuck up which makes it a fact"

[wet lodge]

too high to be worth it for decoration. gonna have to wait till mistlands

[paper marsh]

I c whatcha saying

[azure yacht]

5% on default settings

[paper marsh]

I have 4 weapons on me right now. 3 of them do slash and 2 of them do pierce. Maybe I should have diversified more 😅

[wet lodge]

I have one weapon on me

it does slash and pierce, havent met an enemy that is a problem :P

ig blunt would be better vs growths, but growths are 6 hits.
and abominations you axe anyways

[lament hearth]

what are you using ?

[paper marsh]

knife

[wet lodge]

noif

[livid widget]

sowad

[wet lodge]

noifing the silly buggers

[livid widget]

I have a lox named Shank.

[wet lodge]

day in the life of a brexit geezer innit

[livid widget]

bollocks

[cosmic siren]

Hello. Is there anyone that wants to join a duo in deafeating Queen?

[vocal rivet]

The maths is still way off.

[shy marlin]

Try #1024264966712340510

[cosmic siren]

I did so i posted here and there 🙂

[wet lodge]

do oaks cause lag?

[livid widget]

Chop it down and see

[wet lodge]

I planted them, acorns are hard to come by...

[livid widget]

We have one in our courtyard. Didn't feel like things got laggy.

[wet lodge]

im not talking about one, I got 7 xD

[livid widget]

And now you're lagging?

[wet lodge]

could be the oaks or could be the game being a piece of

[livid widget]

I run a 4090 and get anywhere from 70-120 fps in our base. Depending on where I'm looking. More objects = more lag

[wet lodge]

I got a 3060 and I get mostly consistent 63 fps, but its been starting to drop

[livid widget]

You can hit F2 and see instances to get a feel for how much you are rendering.

[wet lodge]

7060 instances

[livid widget]

Similar to ours.

63 seems reasonable to me on a 3060

[wet lodge]

our base is still fairly small tho

[livid widget]

A guy the other day had like 20k lol. Said he was getting like 20fps

[buoyant ether]

ok i found plains.... not ready for it yet....

[livid widget]

take a wide berth peachy! Mosquito danger near shorline

[wet lodge]

need at least maxed troll armor for plains

if you struggle with combat, silver tier armor

[hearty niche]

Except for the skeeters and fullings at night (in my experience, they will follow you over Hell's Half-Acre and not give up at night) , it's pretty easy to outrun most of the Plains enemies.

[buoyant ether]

uhmmm quick question, which is less work

paving the ground high enough for my base so that trolls cant get up there?

or making a mout/bridge type of thing

[wispy perch]

hi guys, im back to valheim and i found some bugs in my map, some trees, floors and rocks just floating on air. It happens close to mistlands

[hearty niche]

So there were 2 ... land shifts?

When Mistlands came out, they added a lot of verticality to the Mistlands and changed the landscape

When Ashlands came out, they removed a lot of the land in the south part of the map so players can't access the Ashlands from land

[wispy perch]

but the bug will occur only where i explored?

[hearty niche]

For the former Mistlands change, yes I believe that to be the c ase but the Ashlands one is regardless of exploration (99% sure about this, someone else please correct me if this is wrong!)

And would be limited to that buttom slice of the map

IG wrote a little blog post about it lemme find it

[buoyant ether]

anyone ? 👀

[hearty niche]

https://www.valheimgame.com/support/getting-ready-for-the-ashlands/ @wispy perch that right there

[livid widget]

Earthen wall with a moat

Save all that stone from mining

[hearty niche]

Sorry - that's inverted. In places you've already explored (as long as it';s not in that southern portion) the landscape should remain unchanged.

[wispy perch]

I only explored ONE mistland spot, maybe can I continue my world in another mistlands spots?

[buoyant ether]

nah i mean like raising the ground up... i do like the idea

trolls probs cant get up ladders/stairs?

[hearty niche]

Oh yeah 100%

Especially if you stick to the Mistlands at the west/east extremes of the map

[livid widget]

That's what I'm saying. Raise the ground up to make a wall. Or raise the whole thing, but that's a lot of terraforming.

[wispy perch]

oh thanks!

[livid widget]

If you make your wall following cardinal directions, it will be a pretty smooth, straight earth wall

@buoyant ether I put a screenshot of what we did for our lox pen as an idea: https://discord.com/channels/391142601740517377/1202310893757530142

It's a LOT of stone.

Imagine trying to raise it all.

[buoyant ether]

my bases arent that big :D

havent done any crops even yet, didnt know u could KEKW

but i am raising this mf 😤

[tight yacht]

Moat

[stark rose]

anybody actually use the great hammers in combat?

[buoyant ether]

wait am i going to needa base that big ?

[livid widget]

Probably not, but you'll need something bigger as you unlock more things

We have a food cooking area, top left, a portal/throne room for moving around, a crafting area, fields, and pens

[tight yacht]

Also I'd you need to raise ground, do it once and use level ground on it from a higher elevation and you get extra height without spending as much stone

[livid widget]

Dock space for boats.

You'll want some roofed indoor pens for some of your animals to keep them safe, also

[sharp bluff]

bat raids tend to murder your lifestock, ya

[tight yacht]

1. Living area with space for the up to 16-18 comfort items
2. Cooking area with upgrades
3. Crafting area with room for upgraded bench, forges, and artesan table
4. Coal and smelting area
5. Windmill area
6. Crops area, and tree farm if you want it
7. Closed roof pens for animals
8. Harbor
9. Storage area for all those

[buoyant ether]

goddamn

here i thought i could survive with a few huts and a dream

[sharp bluff]

you kinda can?

pretty sure you can cram all of this into a 5x5 corewood grid

[stark rose]

all mine are within 2 seconds run of each other. think that might be causing my lag?

[near saddle]

What is a "Lavaiathan", in relation to flametal ore veins? The wiki talks about it, but I never saw that listed in-game

Is that something the lore ravens mention?

[odd helm]

A lavathian is the flametal ore vein

[near saddle]

But where does the name come from? In-game the vein just reads "Flametal Ore" when aimed at

[odd helm]

It's the entity that sinks with the flametal ore after you start mining it

[near saddle]

I know what it is, that's not what I'm asking

[odd helm]

Lavathian is derivative from the ocean leviathans, which have the same behavior

[stark rose]

leviathan is a giant sea creature, in this case a giant turtle that you can mine chitin off. after a certain amount of damage, the turtle sinks below the water never to resurface. the flametal spires react the same way so people are calling them leviathans

[near saddle]

but where is the name listed in-game?

[near saddle]

no, no, lavaithan, not leviathan

[tight yacht]

You can put most in there, the ones that take the most space are the farm, smelters and coal kilns

[odd helm]

It's internal

You're not meant to see it

[tight yacht]

Shouldn't make a difference

[near saddle]

there's separate wiki pages for the vein and the lavaiathan, so that's why I'm asking

I assumed it's like firmly explained by a lore raven or something

[odd helm]

It's an internal name

Same with leviathan, taken from the code rather than player-visible stuff

[near saddle]

that's what I wanted to know, thank you

[stark rose]

:/

[sly verge]

I planted a shitload of oaks (like 20-30) and never noticed any lag because of them

[stark rose]

my base had a TON of lag from too many trees nearby

[vapid hearth]

I'm surprised the Ashlands' boiling oceanwater doesn't hurt me

[stark rose]

it does hurt you

[odd helm]

Oh it does

[stark rose]

you have aprox 10 seconds before it kills you

[unique onyx]

but at 6-8 seconds is just great for taking dead skin off

[odd helm]

Most dangerous sauna~

[stark rose]

dat bone serpent meat ❤️

[jolly grotto]

Before the water starts to hurt you, red outlines should appear around your screen, to indicate that you're starting to boil

[stark rose]

and your body starts to steam

[jolly grotto]

Just give it a moment, and you'll see... : )

[stark rose]

the first time i entered the water it glitched out and no mater where i went, even back to my base in the medows, on land, it still had the red wavy visual from the hot water

[wet lodge]

when I go to my portal area I notice lag spikes, #building-screenshots has some pics of it

maybe its the new iron pits? hm

[abstract wind]

yall is valheim out on mac yet

[stark rose]

i have all my portals under where all my crafting benches and cooking area is

[wet lodge]

just buy a real pc

[stark rose]

super laggy. 24 fps

[abstract wind]

i play on pc but i wanna be able to play with my brother

[stark rose]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-throw-up-puke-vomit-gagging-gif-16080834
imagine trying to game on a mac

[vapid hearth]

....wait, really? I remember getting swept up by the water around the stalactites and I didn't get hurt, nor did I get hurt from walking into the water from shore

[stark rose]

you are fine for around 10 seconds, then it starts boiling you alive, rapidly dealing damage

[jolly grotto]

It takes some time, but you should start to take damage eventually

[unique onyx]

vikings are resistant to boiling

[stark rose]

sad that valhiem is going to mac before PS. or the fact it wasnt made for mac at the same time it was made for pc

[vapid hearth]

Ohh, I think I see signs of it. I'm seeing steam come out of me

[abstract wind]

that’s true tbh the only reason i want it to be out on mac is so my brother can play with me he won’t buy a pc

[unique onyx]

it's sad that it doesn't come with a weekly slushee too #bringbackvalheimicee

[stark rose]

it would have been nice to get some more use out of the ceramic item instead of JUST using it for the boat. maybe an armor we could use to wade in the water longer or someting? building style? something

[jolly grotto]

Yep, you should soon also have those red outlines i mentioned.

[vapid hearth]

Oh, yeah, those red outlines showed up later
THey also show up when I touch lava, so that's a bad sign

[stark rose]

why wont he buy a pc? is there a reason he bought a mac instead of a pc to start with? hates microsoft or maybe uses the mac for work?

[abstract wind]

he dosent really play video games and uses it for video editing and stuff and he’s used to mac more ig

i know how to use both but i prefer windows

[stark rose]

ive heard mac tends to be better for video edditing and other types of work but windows is bascially best at the rest. then you have the linux users

[buoyant ether]

whats the best way to even some ground

[pliant hatch]

Before having floors?

Zoom out to the max and use your hoe in a circle around you, working from the inside out.
Once in a while turn your camera down so you have a horizontal view.
If you can't get it flat, raise the land with one click and start working around that piece to get the area more flat. If there's still a hump, do one hit with a pickaxe, then use the hoe again to "fill in" the small hole.

You won't be able to get it 100% flat, but it certainly will be very close to it.

[vapid hearth]

I gotta set up a vineyard soon, I'm running out of grapes

[buoyant ether]

and now i need a good way to climb up here 🤔

[pliant hatch]

Wooden staircases always work. Stone staircases work too if you got access to them.

[eternal raven]

BUILD A GATE

[pliant hatch]

Just make sure they're partially in the dirt wall to give maximum support to them

[paper marsh]

June 10th it will be

[azure yacht]

No

[livid widget]

Ladder everything. Make base navigation a fun challenge.

[buoyant ether]

will building log poles within my hut walls make it sturdier ?

[wet lodge]

you mean give more height?

if you do a 2m corewood pole that is connected to the floor, that gives you a lot of extra headspace

[livid widget]

It's not really useful other than support for roofing or decorative

[wet lodge]

I love building "structurally sound", even if it means the structure is slightly less convenient to use

[livid widget]

You'll notice that as you get higher, the pieces start turning yellow, orange, red. Eventually they won't stay in place. You need to build support from the ground to resolve that.

[plush umbra]

should i get primal or lightning berserker axes?

And same with sword

Hello? dead chat

[vocal rivet]

You waited 3 minutes...

[paper marsh]

Lightning is generally preferred. Great dps

Nature if you want to immobilize enemies tho

Sword could do either, the enchantment isn't as good on sword bc it attacks slower

[languid vessel]

Any plans for Yagulth's legs and pelvis?

[paper marsh]

Treasure hunt to see who finds them first

[pliant hatch]

Won't surprise me if you need to find a Fulling cauldron first......

[warped wing]

killed my first fuling 😊

[languid vessel]

the stone in the plains says Yagulth was ripped in half by Odin and cast into Valheim. 5 of his idols is enough to summon his torso, arms, and head, but what happened to his legs when he was cast here? where did they go?

[warped wing]

took him by surprise with a bow

[livid widget]

do you pronounce it full ing, or fuel ing?

[pliant hatch]

Depending at the situation I occasionally call them "those %$^#$%#$%#$%^$%^fullings!"

[languid vessel]

full-ing
but i mostly just call them Goblins

it rolls off the tongue easier

[warped wing]

i have almost 30 sneak lol. 26* atm

[livid widget]

You should be able to break them and put them to work at the base as indentured servants

[languid vessel]

i dont think slavery is a planned mechanic

but i do wanna know what happened to Yagulth's legs

[tawny blaze]

Hello! Could anyone tell me if modding will be possible for players on mac?

[vocal rivet]

Probably? It's not supported on any platform.

[buoyant ether]

i killed the elder but i didnt get any new recipes ?

[livid widget]

He should drop antlers

[pliant hatch]

Did you pick the items he dropped?

[vocal rivet]

The Elder...

[livid widget]

oops

[pliant hatch]

Didn't you know?
He drops Root-antlers. 🤣

[livid widget]

He should drop a key.

[merry pebble]

They have been made into the fuling totems 😄

[finite lodge]

when farming elder for magic skill points, why build a portal under the arena?

[merry pebble]

Its just a safe place for it 🙂

[buoyant ether]

why did i put my hut in the middle q__q now i got so much lezz room

[buoyant ether]

i has the key

[livid widget]

What could it possibly unlock?

[languid vessel]

interesting theory

[merry pebble]

Well thats what Grimmcore said i believe, wait a bit i will find the convo. 🙂

#valheim-public-test message

[languid vessel]

huh
interesting!

till the lore guy actually explains what happened to Yagulth's legs, that is cannon!

[buoyant ether]

IDK 😭 I AINT SEEN NO DOORS

[pliant hatch]

If you know the order of which the biomes are going to be played, you also know where to look for anything that may be unlocked with the key.

I even think it's "hidden" in its name.

[merry pebble]

look for green light in swamps 😉

[buoyant ether]

first i gotta find swamps 😤

should i go thru the black forest 🤔

[merry pebble]

sailing is usually the easiest way to find them i think 🙂

[buoyant ether]

so its not near elder ? 🤔

i found plains again 😭 boat it is

[merry pebble]

not necessearly, it can be, but there is not any rule that it has to be there 😄

[buoyant ether]

flint arrows better than fire ?

[merry pebble]

depends on the enemy, but in swamp i would go flint

[buoyant ether]

im so addicted to this game ngl

maybe i should put the building cost back on, my resources keep getting plentiful

[azure yacht]

They can still be used for crafting. And you can also reduce the resource slider

[merry pebble]

you do you buddy 😄 if you want to have enough resources to build with, you can just mess with the resource drop-rate slider, that way you should have enough for building and you can turn off the no cost 🙂

[finite lodge]

so leveling elemental against golem is actually way faster than doing it at elder

like idk if elder is even viable for that

[distant field]

Playing 3-player with friends, we've just gotten ||Bloodstone and Jade|| but have had ||Iolite|| for a while. I've specialised in ranged attacks, so ||upgraded Ash Fang to Storm Fang|| but am now looking at ||upgrading Ripper|| - what would people suggest?

[karmic ridge]

Either bloodstone or jade for ripper, idk

I feel like it’s more of a backup weapon than anything, so bloodstone if you are looking for a health backup or jade if you’re looking to support people but still deal damage

[distant field]

Yeah, I use ||Storm Fang|| as my primary weapon.

[thick gust]

Is there anyone playing Turk?

[thorn wren]

Are ghosts purely just a dangerous rare spawn (dangerous being relative)?
I've only ever ran into a handful of them across all my playthroughs and I don't believe they ever drop loot, so is that there only purpose?

[burnt glen]

Yeah they're in burial chamber and don't really serve any purpose.

[thorn wren]

Honestly I'm surprised they don't drop a trophy

[vocal rivet]

We're going to need a #mac-bugs-discussion

[ornate sigil]

or apple-bugs-discussion(eww)

[finite lodge]

if someone is using thunderstore to launch their game and someone else is using r2modman, are they unable to join eachother

[merry pebble]

probs question for #mods-discussion people there know more about mods 😄

[dusk comet]

How do I check my valheim discord server tags? Many profiles I click have tags such as public-tester and greydwarf but I don't k ow how to check mine.

[gray badge]

Any tips for yagluth without spoilers?

Good weapons/potions

[idle storm]

fire resistance wine, healing mead and silver sword. Also pay attention to the attack animations.

[cinder edge]

What determines the raid rate? We had it on normal and got like 5-6 in a 3 hour stretch - bad luck or is there another factor ?

[idle storm]

and eat at least some health food

[vocal rivet]

On normal it's a chance of one every 46 minutes.

[idle storm]

% chance every 46(?) minutes i think

[cinder edge]

That seems wild to have so many

It was basically every 46 minutes for 5 straight

Does number of players matter?

[idle storm]

improbable but hardly impossible

it's a pretty normal statistical outlier. And no, number of players doesn't matter afaik, it's just a flat percentage based roll if a raid happens or not.

[dusk comet]

The raid timer doesn't go down if the raid starter is not in the raid circle

[vernal karma]

Im thinking about traveling to ashlands on my main soon, should i be watching my back and drinking fire potions constantly? :p

[idle storm]

actually there's suprisingly little fire damage in Ashlands

[dusk comet]

Fire potions are only useful against two hard to find ashlands creatures

[dusk comet]

Use poison resistance

[vernal karma]

😮

[subtle perch]

mystlands are literally draining my skillpoints

Soon I will have to train them back with greydwarfs

Maces are now under 40

[vernal karma]

yeah it did me too the first time, the second time i think i never died during progress, only after the mist boss.

[subtle perch]

Swords are 52

Already 6 deaths

Total of 12 points per skill gone

[idle storm]

my run skill went from 100 to 36 on day 1 of Ashlands PTB 😂

[vernal karma]

wow

[idle storm]

though to be fair i wasn't exactly careful since i made backups before

[subtle perch]

The problem this biome, mystlands, throw too much strong foes all of sudden and you have not the armor to resist them. Three seekers within a 2 stars is something you cannot deal alone if you don't find some kind of environmental defense.

[vernal karma]

1-2 star units is a GTFO moment if you dont know how to parry them

[idle storm]

Bonemass. That's literally what Bonemass forsaken power is for (that and wolf raids).

[subtle perch]

I start to believe mystlands is not meant that much to be played alone. I fear the point my skillpoints will be too much low to be able to continue

Looking how much damage a seeker 2 star is able to deal? within a full upgraded padded? more than 90 damage? bonemass wouldn't do that much

[idle storm]

having that ohshit button (and knowing when to GTFO) is key to learning to survive mistlands. Also try to get your hands on a feather cape ASAP, makes things much easier.

[idle storm]

it halves all physical damage, BEFORE armor. Meaning a 2-star seeker does as much damage as a 0-star one if you have it active

[vernal karma]

you should make an upgraded black metal shield and keep it up in bad situations.

[subtle perch]

i have it

not enough block defense for those

[idle storm]

also seekers strongest attacks are pierce, so the root harnesk or serpent shield can help too

[subtle perch]

seekers are op, that's the problem

[vernal karma]

root chest + upgrade plaint armor is solid

[subtle perch]

one at a time is not a big deal, but three? only a pack of wolves is stronger

[vernal karma]

root gear makes you vulnerable to gjall tho, so carry fire pot

3 is a struggle, i reccomend carrying an atgeir, it's special is a great panic button

[subtle perch]

is there a way to increase skills very fast?

[idle storm]

ooze bombs also work wonders against seekers

[subtle perch]

i have to gain those back

[timid sun]

Don't need a shield or armor if you just bring out the glock and bust em with some frost arrows.

[subtle perch]

glock?

[idle storm]

draugr village skill farm

[vernal karma]

frost arrows is cheating :]

[timid sun]

The glock, also known as Draugr Fang. Or Big Daddy B.

[subtle perch]

nothing is cheating against a seeker, even 4 players against one of them is not cheating

[vernal karma]

greydwarf is a great way to farm, as you get lots of good materials too, but draugr gives the most exp

[subtle perch]

draug fang is becoming obsolete

[idle storm]

though if you're going to powerlevel a skill powerlevel elemental magic. The Mistland staves both absolutely slaughter seekers once you get your skill up.

[subtle perch]

i beleived exp is made by just eprforming actions, 1 stab 1 xp

[timid sun]

You'd be terrified at my ability to efficiently dismantle every enemy in this game with relative ease. Seekers check underneath their bed for me.

[subtle perch]

the bigger problem is you need three or four dungeons to proceed into mystlands era

and you are not prepared for those

[idle storm]

ooze bombs make infested mines a cakewalk

because they work through walls

[subtle perch]

find a 3 star inside one of them and you can just find another cave

do they reall do so much damage? fang is just tickling them

[idle storm]

actually oneshots unstarred seekers with a sneak attack if they stay in the cloud (which they will)

[vernal karma]

Sword is a great weapon in mistlands, it hits all enemies equally and does not loose damage when hitting the ground.