valheim-chat

[loud valve]

Are you breaking ice walls?

[polar zephyr]

yes

I have completely went through all of them with 2 friends and havent found a single door nor cultist

[frigid gust]

Are you on the current PTB, or are you on the general release?

[ember panther]

20 caves and no cultists sounds impossible

[polar zephyr]

I've seen them before

[polar zephyr]

PTB

[frigid gust]

There's an issue with the beta being investigated specifically with that. If you're using it you should check in #valheim-public-test

[polar zephyr]

okay. Couldn't find any info about this bug on patch notes, so came here to ask

wrote in #valheim-public-test too

[frigid gust]

Yeah, it's not going to be in patch notes if it was discovered in the current testing 😉

[low crypt]

made a blob farm with 4 bonemass

works pretty well

[paper marsh]

For what, ooze bombs?

[low crypt]

yea

[pure blaze]

can I simultaneously summon two or more biome bosses at different locations?

[latent wraith]

Yes.

Well, not at the same time as you'd need to travel from one altar to the other, but summon boss at one altar -> portal to another altar and summon another one there is perfectly doable.

You can summon as many bosses as you want, as long as you have enough summoning items.

[paper marsh]

And bosses won't ever despawn (until you kill them 😈 )

[fair cairn]

cant they be killed by other enemies though?

i now actually wanna see how bonemass would do in the mountains

[latent wraith]

Bosses are allied with all other mobs in the game, they are only enemies with the player faction.

[fair cairn]

so they wont be atacked by drakes?
thats lame

[paper marsh]

Only Dvergr or tamed animals, if you consider either of those enemies

[drowsy magnet]

Well they'd probably get attacked but i figure he's more into making music than playing Valheim

[vocal rivet]

'music'.

[pure blaze]

how does sneak skill gain get registered?

what's the mechanics?

[paper marsh]

Increases anytime you sneak. But increases significantly faster if sneaking near an enemy (I know friendly dvergr count too, dunno if tamed mobs count). Not sure if it increases faster if the mob is aggroed on you

[pure blaze]

did anyone ever reach 100 sneak? is it hard? how good do you sneak at 100 skill?

[loud valve]

I find it faster to just kill things up front or lure them away

[paper marsh]

It’s a pretty good increase but don’t think it’s super insane. Not rly worth it to grind to 100 imo

I haven’t been that high personally tho. Visibility in area also matters (not sure how that is calculated, I know sneaking at night tends to be easier)

[lyric olive]

Is it even worth getting a wolf? How will i transport it around

[snow talon]

you wouldn't, youd set up a teleport at the base with the tamed wolves, id assume

[lyric olive]

Tamed animals cant go into teleporters

[snow talon]

yeah, then use them for meat and furs, im no expert though

[regal spoke]

Create a platform with a ramp near your boat. Use this to push the wolves into the boat

[lyric olive]

how do you get it off after?

[regal spoke]

Break the boat

[strange arrow]

wolves are somewhat easier to get on and off boats than boars, they will follow you right to the edge of a platform, so make one above the boat, walk on the boat, wait till the wolf reaches the edge, jump over it, and push it on, then tell the wolf to stay, make sure there are no mobs in the vicinity for the wolf to aggro on, and after the journey put it back on follow and it will jump off the boat right after you

boars/hens need the addition of a harpoon for ease, and lox, until you can make a lox saddle, in which case you just ride the lox onto the boat and park it

also never risk your only tame, always breed more and leave some spares in case anything goes wrong

[rugged kraken]

Yesterday I learned that biomes can blend together. I found a burial tomb in a meadow biome and a mountain biome as well as a greydwarve encampment in the mountains. Also found a snowy meadow and a snowy black forest. Pretty neat stuff

[exotic cradle]

It is! Always fun to see 😄

[pure plume]

Ye it happens quite a lot when map is generated and not enough space for biome is assigned. It can turn into fun combinations. I had meadows with snow and dark forest plants and enemies.

I believe the goal was to make a mountain biome between meadows and dark forest

[vocal rivet]

Mountains will spawn in any biome where the altitude is over 50m.

[pure plume]

It was almost flat. Near sea lvl

Only part of mountain biome was snow

[vocal rivet]

Mods?

[pure plume]

Vanilla

[lunar ridge]

I sincerely doubt that in vanilla Valheim

[plush umbra]

if there was no snow, then there was no mountain.
the biome borders shown on your map/minimap aren't the same as the ones you'll actually encounter in-game. in-game they get chunked up into bigger blobs

the only way for actual mountain terrain to be near sea level is if a river cuts into it

[pure plume]

It was snow on flat ground with dark forest trees and meadows grass

[plush umbra]

was there 3D grass/moss?

[pure plume]

Biome said It was mountain and I got freezing effect

[lunar ridge]

Flat ground is certianly possible. At sea level? No.

[plush umbra]

unless we're speaking in terms of realistic distances 😅 because Y 50 irl would be very close to sea level indeed

[pure plume]

Maybe i overestimated the sea lvl part but it was no higher then average meadows

[lunar ridge]

Meadows can be at a very high altitude naturally

[plush umbra]

meadows in the center of the world are sometimes a very high plateau just below the mountain minimum, because the terrain around the center is raised for a certain radius but not allowed to go above mountain height

[pure plume]

Yea it is annoying for me from time to time that there is so many hills on most biomes

[lunar ridge]

That's why you'll often see more meadows blended into mountains on the "starter" island as opposed to distances further. Past a certain point from the stones you'll more often run into black forest dipping into mountain

And also why it's quite rare to find swamp straight into mountain biome

[pure plume]

Swamps need to be low

[brittle geyser]

I created a world that was all hilly at the start point, so I made a new world :p

[plush umbra]

think i've only seen that once, and i didn't bother to check if they were actually touching or if the snow just happened to bleed over far enough.

wish i had written down what world and seed that was on 😅 i like the look of a snowy swamp

[lunar ridge]

Yep, so even though it's technically possible it's pretty unlikely. Like Winter said, the only time I've encountered mountain at sea level is if the terrain is disturbed by a river, in which you'll see a very steep slope

My current seed has it, even though I no longer use the base, I had a black forest base that required me to sail through a "freezing" riven to get to my port. Was pretty annoying

[plush umbra]

there are some islands with extremely steep sloped sides. since rivers are applied after biomes, those island shapes are the only way to get a swamp touching mountain

[plush umbra]

small tip that can microscopically in situations like that: weather (and by extension the freezing effect of mountain weather) depends on where your camera is, rather than your character.
so as you're entering the mountain part of the river, zoom out as far as you can and look forward to delay the weather change a little, and then once even the camera is inside, turn it 180° to get the camera out of the mountain again before your character.

[lunar ridge]

it covered a fairly wide area so that trick didn't work.

[brittle geyser]

Interesting

[lunar ridge]

It was a non-conditional 45-50 hp damage DoT even if I used the trick. upside is that I couldn't possible leave my base without eating decent food.

[brittle geyser]

I have not done fishing yet... does it make good foods? Better than other foods?

[lunar ridge]

Not until literally end-game(currently)

It's a fairly small bonus for the effort required

But if you like fishing, do it

[brittle geyser]

k

[uncut bough]

this game is too fun, it starts to suck all of my time preparing for exams

[vocal rivet]

I wouldn't call Plains endgame.

[uncut bough]

anyways i now pay the price for that by staying up the entire night, exam is coming in 12 hours

[sage dock]

you live by the valheim you die by the valheim

[lunar ridge]

I'd say chances are if you're fishing pufferfish with misty bait you're already confortable with plains

[vocal rivet]

Yeah, but you were talking about fish in general.

[uncut bough]

hunting Lox is pretty easy, i tell u that

[sage dock]

just the killing part can suck haha

[latent gorge]

What is the best way to move ore around?

[uncut bough]

so misty bait is pretty easy to get, just that the mosquito can one shot your arse if u r not using root harnesk

[sage dock]

with mods, portals. without mods, boat. keep a boat as close as possible to every area you are mining. or build a full forge set up whereever you go

[uncut bough]

so that is a problem to deal with as well, but otherwise it is just shoot and run

[uncut bough]

with cheats: F L Y

[vocal rivet]

Without mods, using world modifiers.

[lunar ridge]

We're talking about foods from fishing specifically that are better than other foods, as per the question so when comparing the benefits to the same biome, we don't see any actual benefit until later plains/mistlands which I would consider current endgame

[brittle geyser]

playing vanilla, I made new bases near ore.

[uncut bough]

just go fish, sometimes getting misc items from fish like ores, sap, money is fun

even though the main reward is not, because other than a certain food, there isn't many raw fish sink to throw fish at

[vocal rivet]

Eh, fish wraps are some of the best Plains tier health food. So not even the CURRENT final biome.

[latent gorge]

👍🏻

[lunar ridge]

Yes but you can use any fish pulled from early biomes to achieve that. You specifically need lox trophies to craft misty bait, and then head to the shores of the mistlands biome to fish pufferfish. Quite a disparity in requirement imo.

[vocal rivet]

Why are you bringing up misty bait? You're changing the requirements of the discussion to prove your point.

[lunar ridge]

How else would you fish pufferfish?

[brittle geyser]

haha tha's complicated

[paper marsh]

If you’re not wearing root harnesk or if you’re eating really shitty or all stamina food

[vocal rivet]

No-one was talking about pufferfish.

[sage dock]

very true. giving the economic ability of each type of fish per different bait type. overall its better to stick to plain old fish for the wraps than going out of your way for the better fish

[uncut bough]

it is crazy to eat all stamina food while not doing stamina intensive activities

[brittle geyser]

So, if you just get regular fish without special bait, it'll beat regular foods?

[paper marsh]

Well then you shouldn’t be getting one shot. How much armor do you have?

[lunar ridge]

No.. Which was the entire point that I was bringing up.

[uncut bough]

like mining, house building, fishing, at least fishing you will encounter serpent, which long stamina bars let u kill it, not long health bar

it doesnt matter how long the health bar is when the ship is sunk and u r bobbling in the water

[vocal rivet]

if you make it into fish wraps, it's pretty good, yeah. unless you're brimming with serpent meat.

[lunar ridge]

The ONLY time in the game where fishing certain fish will give you a benefit over current biome food, is Fish'n'bread specifically from pufferfish.

[uncut bough]

it used to happen when i am in BF biome, the mosquito was like a dozen mile away and it just happens to come and sting me

[vocal rivet]

Or, fish wraps in Plains if you're after health foods.

[halcyon blade]

You're confusing pufferfish with angler fish.

[uncut bough]

now with root harnesk i began to farm needle for needle arrow, the finest of em all

[paper marsh]

Fish wraps and lox pies aren’t too different. Just depends if you prefer hunting fish or lox (or if you want two plains health foods active at once, both)

[vocal rivet]

70-23 for fish wraps, 75-24 for lox meat pie, so yeah.

[lunar ridge]

You're right, my mistake but the requirements are identical

[brittle geyser]

oh wow might as well clear the lox

[lunar ridge]

So, it's not better.

[vocal rivet]

No, it's pretty much the same, yes. And if you're using a HHS build then you can use both.

As SoftSnail said.

[lunar ridge]

So, it's not better?

[paper marsh]

Stat wise no. Not better than lox pie

Well, I’m not sure how much hp regen they both give

[lunar ridge]

I'd say 90 stamina is quite good?

[vocal rivet]

Both 4Hp/tick.

[lunar ridge]

Is there any other food in the game that gives 90 stamina?

Okay so the 4/tick is the same, what about max stamina? Is there a difference?

Why are you so opposed to the objectively correct answer? Stop being difficult

He asked a very simple question, and it's a fact that Fish'n'bread fished only from anglerfish give the most stamina in the game for 1 singular food.

[pure plume]

Either sea serpents detect metal or draugr are texting them whenever I leave with load of iron. I travelled around the ocean to uncover the map before getting to swamps and I encountered one serpent during storm. Now my third load of iron and 3rd sea serpent. And on the calm waters

[uncut bough]

people are wrong for fishing, this guy is the only one who knows the secret jijitsu - hunting fish

like actually go out of his way like a shark, devouring every fish in sight

[paper marsh]

I've never gone for fish much, but literally just working on my base I've gotten 4-5 stacks of raw fish from fish stranding on my shore. And that's without cooking the tier 3-5 fish that I wanna hang up on a wall

[uncut bough]

i picture a man in a longboat with a abyssal harpoon in hand, ready to reel in any fish he encounters

[pure plume]

In the rivers You can basically push the fish out of the water

So no need for fishing rod

[paper marsh]

I will say though the feeling of fishing your own tier 5 fish out of the water feels so good

[paper marsh]

There were kinda two convos going on at the same time. Lox pie vs Fish Wraps, and Fishn bread vs all other stamina food. Yes, Fishn bread has the best stamina stat in the game currently from one food, so is better statwise than other stamina options

[sage dock]

id like an option to stand on the shoreline and spear fish like fishing

[lunar ridge]

Go check the very first question, in which this whole point started. Here I'll even help you.

[lunar ridge]

this one right here

So, am I wrong? Any other fish-specific meals in the game that give you an edge over biome specific foods?

I believe fish'n'bread is the only one?

[paper marsh]

It is indeed

[sage dock]

you'd be correct then. at least in terms of how you obtain the different kinds of biome specific fish

[lunar ridge]

Damn that's crazy, so why are people arguing against me and trying to be little twerps for no reason?

[brittle geyser]

better food from fish would be a cool improvement, make fish gathering worthwhile

[lunar ridge]

I'm just out here trying to give actual answers, people need to stop trying to shit on it.

[paper marsh]

Think they were just trying to be helpful. But I think there's other factors to food too. I personally prefer food with slightly lower stats but it being easier to make

[lunar ridge]

Me too, there's no way I am going to spend the time getting misty bait, to get anglerfish, just to get fish'n'bread it's personally not worth it but that doesn't change the fact that it's still technically best in slot.

[vocal rivet]

Because as per the original question you so kindly linked, yes, fish wraps ARE some of the better foods in Plains complared to the others.

The question never mentioned stamina once. Obviously fish'n'bread has the highest stamina value.

[lunar ridge]

I don't even have words for you. Please re-evaluate what you just typed.

[vocal rivet]

No thanks, it says exactly what I wanted to say.

Well, that's mature.

[exotic cradle]

Calm down honey, no need for that.

[lunar ridge]

Am I wrong though?

[paper marsh]

If we qualify it as fishing, I also want to throw serpent stew in the ring as a contender. That delicous stew gives 25 hp more than sausages 💪 . Carries me thru swamp and Moder fight tbh

[exotic cradle]

Insulting him? Yes

[lunar ridge]

No, am I factually correct?

[loud valve]

I don't see why I can't harpoon fish and drag their corpse back

[lunar ridge]

That is the point, that was the point from the beginning.

[vocal rivet]

It wasn't. You even linked the original question. Stop being obtuse.

[lunar ridge]

I can't even imagine people are so conceited they'd go this far to try to prove someone wrong, whilst also being so sadly incorrect.

You aren't being helpful you're just being spiteful.

[north umbra]

This is when mods usually step in and tell people to chill

[sage dock]

or just time you out with no warning

[vocal rivet]

Eh, no, blocking works just fine.

[pliant hatch]

I think the mods are checking on which longship they have to drop these people to get them send off to the frozen north. 😄

[lunar ridge]

What more can I even say? You don't have to believe me. It's a simply google search away. It's wild.

[loud valve]

I think this should be settled the viking way. Hand to hand combat

[vocal rivet]

There's always a warning, make sure you don't have Carl-bot blocked as that's where you'll get the message.

Unless it's an auto-mod trigger, but you can usually work out why they happen.

[sage dock]

not blocked anything so no

[lunar ridge]

I've said my piece, anyone reading all this can simply google the question they had and they will ultimately come to the same conclusion I offered. Have fun and remember: If you aren't sure, instead of just blurting out that someone is wrong, you should definitely check before you do!

[sage dock]

they'd have to get in line to take a shot at Derek i think

[vocal rivet]

Why Google when the Wiki exists?

[brittle geyser]

google finds wiki links

[vocal rivet]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18CIv39YFMqIhB8horGHsp2OrTB4e5zcscHPotUR8MbU is also a great resource.

[lunar ridge]

See? This. This semantic-arguing bollocks. If you're so opposed to being wrong, try educating yourself first so that you aren't in the first place. Seems pretty fool-proof.

I genuinely have better shit to do, so I bid you adieu. All this from just trying to answer a very simple question, mind you.

[pliant hatch]

And I s'pose you're the one who's selling the tickets?

[loud valve]

I call exclusive rights to the betting pool

[sage dock]

please im one of the first fists flying for first round

[loud valve]

On another note, we need more fist weapons

[sage dock]

agreed. bronze knuckles, shield spikes

[loud valve]

Or at least a shield bash

[pliant hatch]

Would be nice if we were able to set up a shield wall in MP as well.

Not that it's of much use vs blobs, oozers and growths, but it'll be fun to use against boars.

Or Draugr.

[sage dock]

also agreed. would 100% pull a ragnar goign over the top to kill shamans in a village

[brittle geyser]

Atgeir, from bronze till ember staff

I like the range on the Atgeir, and the full roundhouse swing

[sage dock]

id be very useful with a shield wall option. poking through the shields to land massive damage

[pliant hatch]

Well considering armies had that option from the time of the Macedonean kings up to the 16th century, it would certainly work.

[sage dock]

i still want the ability to line shields up on the longship. ship fighting isnt visable

but itd look cool as hell for MP servers just lines of longships all carrying shields as they sail in

[pliant hatch]

Just as long as it are the round shields.
I don't think using the scale shield or bone shield would be a good idea.

Although the whole side of a ship filled with the latter might scare the bukeperries out of a Greydwarf Shaman. 🙂

[sage dock]

the ability to change the ship's mast head wouldnt go amiss either

especially if they plan on following through on the faction idea for PvP

[loud valve]

I want to decorate my ship

[sage dock]

Seconded

[hidden gorge]

aww man, I feel like I'm always late to the drama

[loud valve]

Start your own drama

[uncut bough]

be the trend starter

[hidden gorge]

ehh, cba to. I prefer active popcorn

[sage dock]

throws tankard at head

[desert tangle]

hey question is the valheim version on xbox gamepass moddable?

can i download nexus mods and use it with my pc game pass client?

[pliant hatch]

Can't be. The trent starter is the one some ppl are lining up for to punch him.......

[hidden gorge]

SKOL

[pliant hatch]

Oi! My mead!

[primal lance]

I stole it thank you

SKÅL!!!

[sage dock]

too slow you didnt catch it 😛

have at it boy

[pliant hatch]

How could I catch it if you snatched that tankard from the table before I could even reach for it?

[loud valve]

Spilling mead is a crime

[sage dock]

good thing it bounced off and he caught it without spilling 😛

[pliant hatch]

Think I'll stick to a troll skull in the future.....

[sage dock]

here have another throws tankard

[pliant hatch]

Yay! \m/

catches tankard

Proost!

[sage dock]

Slanja!

[pliant hatch]

And now I'm wondering if we do even have drinking horns in the game.

[sage dock]

i think its purely mods at this point?

[pliant hatch]

Considering we don't even have animals / enemies with horns, I guess so.

[hidden gorge]

no, there's a couple -- vanilla

[sage dock]

A couple of drinking horns or a couple of animals with horns?

[pliant hatch]

Boars have tusks, but those are too small for creating drinking horns.

[loud valve]

You can craft a celebratory horn

Convert that to a drinking one

[sage dock]

Oh true i had forgotten about that

[hidden gorge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PONOrSkkwkg

I believe the mug is also technically a drinking horn as well (just a short stubby one)

[pliant hatch]

Not sure if that's a good idea, though.

I mean, you play this game with your wife, convert the celebratory horn to celebrate your wedding day in a drinking horn.

I think there should be better reasons for her to kill you........

[loud valve]

You're a viking, your wife should always be trying to kill you for fun

[sage dock]

First rule of viking: never piss off the shieldmaidens

[pliant hatch]

Actually, the first rule for vikings was:

Rememeber where you beached the longship when going on a raid.

[sage dock]

Thats rule 7, right behind always have the longship beached close to the mead hall

Rule 2: never start a fight you have no intention or ability of seeing through to the end

Rule 3: the gods love to see you fail, as much as see you succeed. Never forgo the chance to bend the odds in your favour

[desert tangle]

anyone else reminds this game similar to terraria? beside 2d but like the progression

[hidden gorge]

survival crafting is a whole genre at this point

[pliant hatch]

I dunno.

Never played Terraria.

But considering there was a big influx of survival / crafting sandbox games when Valheim became a hit, it doesn't surprise me at all.

[halcyon thistle]

get resources from area 1, move to area 2, get resources and move to area 3

with a little test at the end of each

[hidden gorge]

terarria and several others (like don't starve, which is a bit closer imo) were around prior to valheim

[halcyon thistle]

enshrouded is very similar btw (speaking of those games that came after)

[pliant hatch]

With the big exception that Enshrouded resets the entire map the moment you log on again.

[halcyon thistle]

there are many exceptions, because it's similar

[pliant hatch]

You think?
You mean when you loot chests in a village in Valheim, the next time you visit that village the contents of that chest has been respawn?
If you defeat a boss, that boss respawns the next time you log in?

Enshrouded does that, making farming some items so easy, it's even painful to do so.

[halcyon thistle]

I don't think you got what I said

enshrouded map reset is one of many exceptions

because the games are similar, not equal

the loot system, weapon upgrades, NPCs, the 1x1 block building, cave building, graphics, combat

[pliant hatch]

If you start looking at it that way, Valheim is similar to Wurm Online and Life is Feudal: Your Own.

[halcyon thistle]

well, it is

[hidden gorge]

people often also draw similarities to conan/ark

[pliant hatch]

Because most ppl don't even know about WO and LiF:YO

[hidden gorge]

which also has that awful system of respawning stuff in the same places

[brittle geyser]

really depends on what you look at as to if it's the same. I got the Valheim feel from Ensrouded. But I didnt keep the game, idk why now.

the basic movement / graphics feel was very similar

[hidden gorge]

it didn't look particularly interesting from the videos I saw of it

[pliant hatch]

Enshrouded was interesting, but the chest and boss reset and those darn jumping puzzles put me off.

It's much more co-op focussed as Valheim is.

[hidden gorge]

there was another game that seemed interesting until I learned it was entirely first person, which put me off quite a bit actually

[final lily]

teeeccchhnically speaking, fish wraps are the worst Plains tier health food. Just saying... 😂

[brittle geyser]

There's very few games i like... AO AOE D2 Valheim ... a few others, old stuff... games with some genius behind them.

maybe my cats will like them

[pliant hatch]

I'm already glad we got far behind the type "open door" to open a door in a building, just to see this appear: The door opens creaking and reveals a dim lit room.

And yes, I'm that old

[loud valve]

You have died of dysentery

[brittle geyser]

the door is slightly ajar

[vocal rivet]

Why? Text adventures are excellent. Limited only by your imagination.

[brittle geyser]

go n

[hidden gorge]

and being eaten by grues

[odd helm]

I'm obligated to point out that y'all are veering offtopic~

[loud valve]

You have died of dysentery in the swamp biome.

[brittle geyser]

respawn home

open workbench

[vocal rivet]

Well, except for bread and blood pudding.

[final lily]

Bread is stamina food;
Blood Pudding is stamina food.
My point stands. Fish Wraps are the worst Plains tier health food

[vocal rivet]

The health values for bread and blood pudding are far lower than for fish wraps.

[halcyon thistle]

therefore not considered health foods by TwoFox

[hidden gorge]

cooked lox meat begs to differ

[final lily]

They are not, however, categorized as "health" food. I'm simply responding to your own wording

[final lily]

lol, true facts 😂

[loud valve]

Are we doing this again?

[vocal rivet]

Well, that wasn't the argument, but whatever. I'm too tired for another pointless argument.

[vocal rivet]

No.

[final lily]

Who said anything about arguing? I'm just correcting you, since I saw you giving out false info again

[hidden gorge]

is it cause I'm finally here and ready for it? 🍿

[vocal rivet]

Nothing I've said all night has been factually inaccurate.

[hidden gorge]

excuse me? who'se the one giving out false info?

[odd helm]

Settle down now, y'all

[final lily]

Except for that thing you said about Fish Wraps being one of the best "Plains tier Health Foods"
Demonstrably false. The numbers don't lie, Derek

[lunar sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/tea-iroh-jasmine-calming-avatar-gif-5157514

[pliant hatch]

Hands a tankard of Mead

Better drink that while eating the popcorn.

[halcyon thistle]

one of the best? he literally said "except those ones, because they have less HP so they are the worse"

[sage dock]

i got the kebabs ready hands one over

[loud valve]

Doesn't fish wraps take the most steps to make?

[vocal rivet]

Beaten only by lox meat pie and serpent stew.

[desert tangle]

will valheim be back during the spring sale? im surprised its ending in 15hours (steam)

[pliant hatch]

You don't have Fishwraps? 😉

[loud valve]

He's still in the mountains

[sage dock]

we got plenty of saltiness here already

[pliant hatch]

Oh crap, so it's Wolf jerkies instead. 😦

[loud valve]

There's wolf skewers

[hidden gorge]

regardless, valheim is one of the few games I felt comfortable getting at full price

[final lily]

literally the only other "plains tier health foods" (other than cooked lox meat, lol), which renders it worst in class. It's a fact.

[lunar sapphire]

It's still on sale? unless you mean you can't make the most of this sale and want to know when the next one is?

I think right now it's the most it's been discounted tho

[loud valve]

It goes on sale pretty often anyways

[desert tangle]

im broke gamer ;/ i was planning to play it on xbox gamepass to trial then buy it on steam

[desert tangle]

yea cause i dont have enough money to buy it at full price

[final lily]

I wouldn't stress, Fourty - it definetely goes on sale often

[hidden gorge]

gotcha, but it's quite reasonably priced without sales

[lunar sapphire]

I think it's normally aorund 29-30 AUD for me

so the 17 rn is aud pricing

[desert tangle]

oh really? like every month or?

[odd helm]

Can always check SteamDB and check previous sales

Gives a decent idea of both how often it goes on sale as well as what's the best historical discount

[brittle geyser]

in USD it's 19.99 marked down to 11.99

[final lily]

Hard to say for sure - but I've seen it happen like six times at least (bearing in mind that I don't check too often, having already bought it, of course). I think you could safely expect to see it go on sale again within a few months, tops

[desert tangle]

oo so about each quarter or so

[final lily]

give or take, yeah

[loud valve]

At least once every 3 months I'd say

[brittle geyser]

if you have a life, wait till the next sale, or the one after that

[loud valve]

Winter sale had it at 50% off which was the highest discount

[final lily]

Just make sure not to cook Fish Wraps if you do buy it. They are bad
😂

[loud valve]

Wait, not winter, earlier March sale

[loud valve]

I cooked 1 to see the numbers

[desert tangle]

oh wait now it make sense why its ending so soon, spring sale on steam ends tomorrow aswell lol

[vocal rivet]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18CIv39YFMqIhB8horGHsp2OrTB4e5zcscHPotUR8MbU has all the numbers.

[final lily]

You should buy it now! Ashlands will be out soon, and you'll have serious FOMO

[loud valve]

I like to discover things in game

[vocal rivet]

Fair enough.

[desert tangle]

will this be free dlc?

[odd helm]

Fish wraps fills the niche of your third HP food when going for a HHH diet in the Plains, if going for the BiS foodstuffs.

[final lily]

yes!

[hidden gorge]

ashlands will be available during the next sale, nothing to miss out on

[lunar sapphire]

All updates are free 😛 - minus the soundtrack on steam

[vocal rivet]

It's part of the main game, so yeah.

[final lily]

do people actually buy the soundtrack? I've never understood that...

[loud valve]

Some people do

[desert tangle]

oh right this game still in early access lol

[odd helm]

It also fills the niche of second HP food if going for HHS without hunting serpents, which some folks prefer.

[lunar sapphire]

Depends if you want to support the devs further and listen to the valheim soundtrack whilst playing minecraft

[loud valve]

Some people don't care

[brittle geyser]

I was just thinking it would be cool to buy it as a...donation

[vocal rivet]

The music is very good background music for other activities than playing Valheim.

[loud valve]

And some people sail the high seas

[final lily]

I would totally play Valheim soundtrack if I owned a boat irl...

[pliant hatch]

I got spotify for that.
Works like a charm. 🙂

[brittle geyser]

UFOrb with 40m blue room ftw.

[hidden gorge]

yeah, ingame soundtracks tend to get repetitive after a while no matter how good they are

[lunar sapphire]

Valheim is one of the few games where I can mostly listen to music in the background but then when I'm in Mistlands / Mountains/ Plains I actually need my ears to locate threats

so I don't always have music playing

[final lily]

oh yeah - I crank in-game SFX starting in Mountains, for sure

[loud valve]

I just get surprised by random fireballs

[light moat]

Phew, seekers are relentless! First time dying in the mistlands, fell into a little pit surrounded by them with no stamina 😵‍💫 takes a lot of stamina to get out of a hole, so my goose was cooked

[final lily]

last time you leave home w/out a Stamina Mead, I'll bet!

[pliant hatch]

You mean you became a fishwrap?

[final lily]

lmao

[odd helm]

After listening to the soundtrack for so long I find that toggling off continuous music in the settings is best for me. You still get music, but it'll be just half of the time instead of constantly.

[sage dock]

bad joke, stop it XD

[loud valve]

What if we get to cook other player's bodies

[pliant hatch]

Why would we need long pork if we already have short pork?

[lunar sapphire]

The Forest, Sons Of The Forest - go play

[brittle geyser]

**I"m starving, invite some more noobs to the server

[final lily]

off topic~!!!

[desert tangle]

normal day in rimworld 🤣

[halcyon thistle]

the topic was cannibalism so a game with that mechanic was suggested, within the topic!

[pliant hatch]

Same in WO when being a Libila follower. But that's off topic as well

[final lily]

this is valheim-chat though

[light moat]

Haha never leave home without out! I’d already drank one, but it wasn’t enough. My mistake was fleeing from them in the first place, I probably would’ve had a better chance had I stayed and fought this time.

[brittle geyser]

I read that caniballism was the norm for most people historically

[light moat]

Nope, I became minced meat sauce for sure 😅

[final lily]

oh damn, they got you fair and square then. rip

[light moat]

Indeed, I got some backup gear though, so recovery should go smooth?

[pliant hatch]

And having a tombstone with an inscription saying:

"After TooMuchDogg encountered the seekers, he was found in the plains, and the meadows and the black forest and the mistlands"

[hidden gorge]

rule 13 is do not backseat moderate, if you wanna start nitpicking

[lunar sapphire]

Technically...

[final lily]

true - you got me there

[vocal rivet]

Technically mentioning it breaks it.

[hidden gorge]

oh, for sure -- but at least I'm not going around shouting:

off topic~!!!

[vocal rivet]

Not to a mod, for certain!

[final lily]

i'd hardly call it shouting. complete and total lack of capitalization

[hidden gorge]

3 exclamation points ain't shouting?!?

[vocal rivet]

There are three exclamation points...

[lunar sapphire]

Can we, either drink some beverage of choice or find another valheim topic to discuss?

[final lily]

I think one has to use all caps to be shouting? exclamation points merely emphasize one's point

[vocal rivet]

You have that backwards.

[hidden gorge]

sorry, already doing the former, I'm just riled up tonight for some reason. maybe it was that fantastic nap earlier today

[final lily]

I come here to talk about Valheim and give Derek a hard time. Not interested in other games

[vocal rivet]

Well, you can quit one of those.

I've had enough of that tonight.

[sage dock]

Fuschta!

[final lily]

I've already stopped playing Valheim until Ashlands, soooo....

[odd helm]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-and-now-for-gif-5780059

[brittle geyser]

Forcefeeding fishwraps

[final lily]

😂

[pliant hatch]

So I guess that also means some subjects aren't beating dead horses, but dead parrots?

[lunar sapphire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1093868576248705054/1093872151892860989/rainbow.gif

[loud valve]

Deas hugin

[lunar sapphire]

But Honey in valheim though

[sage dock]

or taking silly walks

[brittle geyser]

it's not DEAD it's PINING

[pliant hatch]

The only time I'm doing silly walks is in the swamp and when going down a mountain.

[loud valve]

Speaking of, we need more fjords

[hidden gorge]

well-rested buff would make sense to require sleeping in a bed, no?

or at the very least sitting in a chair

[sage dock]

well he's a stiff, bereft of life he rests in peace. if you hadnt gone running down the mountain he'd be pushing up the daises!

[final lily]

yeah kinda crazy that the mere presence of a chair counts as rested, ngl

[pliant hatch]

Although, seeing the "i hate mistlands topics" appear once in a while at the Steam forum, lots of players do those silly walks in that biome as well.

[vocal rivet]

I see the logic. But having it simply count towards a total is much simpler.

[odd helm]

You can also sit down next to a fire and get the rested buff

No roof needed

Or chair

[hidden gorge]

but you don't even sit, and that's my point

[brittle geyser]

mistands was pretty bad till figuring out the glowballs

[lunar sapphire]

Love me some 8 minute wilderness rested buff

[sage dock]

we had it tough! a tiny old house with great big holes in the roof!

[final lily]

hell yeah - I use that wilderness buff alllll the time on no-portal play throughs. So clutch

[lunar sapphire]

nothing beats 10 minute sheltered campfire buff tho

[light moat]

A solid recovery mission 🤌🌶️

[final lily]

success?

[hidden gorge]

yes, its very good, maybe even too good, which requiring a bed/chair would be a logical nerf that's also thematic

[pliant hatch]

A 2* troll does. Just in another way.

[loud valve]

I built a long elevated bridge in swamps with campfires underneath for cart and keep the rested buff

It probably took longer than just running back and forth tbh

[final lily]

sounds like a fire hazard

[odd helm]

Gotta appreciate the commitment tho

[brittle geyser]

you think you had it tough, why, when I was a lad, we lived in a hole in the ground filled with seekers, they'd kill us and make us respanw there all day

[pliant hatch]

Sounds like fun!

[odd helm]

Making a swamp livable is a challenge~

[light moat]

Success indeed!

[pliant hatch]

Nah, not when you're Dutch.
We've been doing that all the time. 😄

[lunar sapphire]

Casually cuts down the indestructible trees

[light moat]

Just gotta be more mindful in the mistlands. Infested mines are rough!

[sage dock]

we used to have run up and down the mountains with nothing but a torch and a fireplace, dodge some 2 star wolves, eat a bunch of puke berries, and when we got home, our troll dad would beat us to death with his club

[pliant hatch]

Which reminds me, when do we get the option to drain the swamp using windmills?

[odd helm]

But muh tree villages

[lunar sapphire]

[light moat]

Kinda suffering from success over here, got too much materials and too much food lol

Chests are overflowing.

[loud valve]

Start building

[final lily]

start cooking

[sage dock]

the best chests often are, right out of the top if they are squeezed in enough

[loud valve]

I'm working on a world where I build 1 giant castle over the entire continent

Cleared of trees and everything

[brittle geyser]

this run I made my first base 3x7 full of chests... but it's too wide.. I suppose I could adjust autostore...

[regal spoke]

2x4 is life

[loud valve]

You guys ever think Odin checks in on us and thinks "I've made a mistake"

[brittle geyser]

every time I zap something

[timid ore]

Or "she's rebuilding again?"

[sage dock]

what you mean? he already does.

Mr. doom and gloom in a black cloak disappears in feathers all over the place

[pliant hatch]

He probably wonders if Ulf and Astrid were the smartest ones he'd send down there.

[loud valve]

He's probably the one pressing the button for raids

[brittle geyser]

out of stamina? greeeat, throw in some seekers

[pliant hatch]

Running around without a shield?

Let's drop a 2* Draugr archer near them

[brittle geyser]

ran 100 miles? oh look that's no 20 fine wood, it's 12!

[pliant hatch]

Oh, they got balista's.
Let's throw a bat-raid at them, so they shoot their own boars.....

[uncut bough]

bat raid: all the downside of fighting deathsquito for none of the upside

at least deathsquito gives needle, which is somewhat useful making even stronge arrow than obsidian

[pliant hatch]

Bats give leather scraps.

[paper marsh]

It has one upside. Blocking during a whole bat raid gives okay block skill

[uncut bough]

bats just comes and ruin your house, your lifestock, your everything

[loud valve]

Bat raids killed my boars

[odd helm]

Y'all need roofed pens

[uncut bough]

well u can get reliable leather scrap from boar farm

[loud valve]

I'm still annoyed at that

[uncut bough]

so getting more of that for basically protecting your flocks isn't much to show for

[hidden gorge]

its kinda a shame tho cause you can never see your pets from your tower 😢

[pliant hatch]

Bat raids are there to show you why it's a good idea to have an enclosed - including roof - animal pen.

[odd helm]

I'd rather keep them alive~

[hidden gorge]

same, I'm just saying

[brittle geyser]

first time I bred boars I got like 16 or so... then came the bats. Had to start all over getting them to chase back to base

so I built iron cage around them 🙂

[loud valve]

Yea, I made one after and found a 2* boar. Then a greydwarf shaman poisoned it to death through the walls while I was doing something else

[pliant hatch]

And that's why you need to build walls or a moat around your base. With at least 8m distance between the animal pen and the spot the monsters can stand.

[brittle geyser]

stone works

[pliant hatch]

Been there, done that, didn't get the armor.

[loud valve]

I don't particularly like the idea of moats

[pliant hatch]

To block that poison blast from a Greydwarf Shaman?

[loud valve]

Unless they add a drawbridge

[paper marsh]

I like the idea but hate it in practice. It makes it actually impossible for non flying mobs to get to your base

[brittle geyser]

after making a stone wall, had no issues with land attacks damaging my stuff, but boars still need protection from bats. With stone walls and iron cage, boars were fine

[hidden gorge]

if you build a bridge with a sliver of a gap, it breaks pathing and nothing can get in

[loud valve]

But does it go up and down?

[hidden gorge]

no 😢

[loud valve]

Then no

Aesthetics is more important than function

[pliant hatch]

That's why I build on a plateau on an island.

Gives me a big-ass moat, but it still looks good. 😄

[loud valve]

Island base is a different thing

I'd want my island base to be mobile though

[pliant hatch]

Must be a bummer for you that you can't build on a Leviathan.

[loud valve]

It's already a bummer that I can fight them

[brittle geyser]

We'll float around and hang out on clouds

[loud valve]

Give me a giant ship and I'll be happen

If I can decorate it that is

[pliant hatch]

Longship isn't large enough for you?

[azure yacht]

100% sure it won't happen

[loud valve]

It doesn't even have a room with a bed

It needs to have a nice mattress too

[pliant hatch]

It got room for the wood to create the shack where you can put down a fire and a bed.

[loud valve]

I want to sleep at sea!

[azure yacht]

Mobile bases would just remove any encouragement to building proper bases

[pliant hatch]

In that case you don't need a bed but a hammock

[loud valve]

Doesn't mean I can't want it

[pliant hatch]

You can always drop a suggestion about having hammocks on the longship at https://discord.com/channels/391142601740517377/1202312684364910612

Not sure it'll be granted, but at least you tried.

[uncut bough]

i have finaly relocated my house to a place nearer to the dock

previously i picked a house at a very dense population of trees in the middle of meadows, so the new place i moved to has 0 trees, enough to build a loooooong house

[brittle geyser]

dogsled...er woflsled!

[paper marsh]

It isn't for me

[graceful vale]

is the vibe that the update will be soon?

[grizzled wing]

First half of 2024

Is there any counter to ward trolling when it's buried outside demolisher range?

[paper marsh]

sounds like a rough one

Only counter I could think of would be not playing with trollers

[loud valve]

Ward trolling?

[hardy tinsel]

I've never tried the raft mod, but I think that would allow you to build a houseboat

[opal wyvern]

It blows my mind that my crazy outdated pc that can’t even OPEN ark ascended, runs valheim maxed out at great frames….

And on performance mode for console, ark runs decently, but in valheim I can’t have lights on from more than 3 feet away….

[loud valve]

It's almost like you need to code games for specific systems to optimize performance

[opal wyvern]

I’m aware that it’s different lol, I’m saying it’s crazy that 3 years in and the lights cant work on performance lol

It’s my literal only serious complaint with the game. 10/10 otherwise.

[plush umbra]

PLEASE valheim devs PLEEEASE add slanted half floors

[vocal rivet]

I can't even imagine what that would look like.

[plush umbra]

like a slanted wall but a floorpiece

triangular

[vocal rivet]

Floors are typically flat, I'm not sure slanted would ever work. Things would just roll away.

[fallen zephyr]

Is it just me, or does coming across a Greydwarf tower in late game feel like angry Anakin visiting a Sand People village? 😛

[plush umbra]

? what ??

[vocal rivet]

Heh, I hadn't thought of it that way. It's certainly not a fair fight.

[north umbra]

Not just the brutes, but the greydwarfs and the greylings too!

[azure yacht]

Doesn't make it easier to imagine...

[fallen zephyr]

Pretty sure @plush umbra just means a half floor square, but halved diagonally.

[plush umbra]

FINALLY ☠️☠️

someone got it

[north umbra]

Triangles for the win

[fallen zephyr]

This is why maths is important kids

[plush umbra]

halved floors would be super cool cuz u could actually build octagonal bases

[azure yacht]

I assume is for ramps then as that's pretty much the only purpose they could server

[vocal rivet]

See, now THAT makes sense.

[plush umbra]

not octagonal im stupid

[azure yacht]

Oh wait I misread it

[vocal rivet]

Yeah, that's exactly what I did. The word slanted does that.

[north umbra]

Can say, I use triangle floors (mod) and love it. Makes Nice curved decks

[plush umbra]

actually ya octagonal

[azure yacht]

I can imagine it now

[tawny charm]

anyone have any recommendations for no mods valheim servers? Looking to come back to it.

[fallen zephyr]

You can approximate it with three quarter floor pieces, but that's it for now. That often avoids the external overhang for me

[azure yacht]

A slanted floor is not one parallel to the ground, I can't see how that would work in any other way except for ramps

[north umbra]

I'm not sure if that's been put in suggestions before, probably

[vocal rivet]

Either way, it was probably lost in the hack so worth putting in again.

[north umbra]

Search by vanilla #1024264966712340510

[tawny charm]

oh ty, forgot discord added that little posting forum thing 😄

[north umbra]

I'll go add that plus other "missing" pieces

[fallen zephyr]

Just get them to rejig the whole construction setup and make it like Lego

[vocal rivet]

LMFAO. We've got no chance of that. But a new bucket of pieces is worth a shot.

[fallen zephyr]

Sorry, I missed that first time. That's a solid joke. 🙂

[floral halo]

Hey haven’t played Valhiem in a while have they added anything new to it from today an the past months cause I tried checking old notifications but I guess I just saw this sever was hack back then? So I’m guessing all that got deleted

[latent wraith]

Nothing since December, there's a patch on the public test branch now that will be released soon. It's not Ashlands yet but a Unity upgrade and some other stuff.

[floral halo]

Hmm well I’m slowly getting back into the game I was hopping to hear some things being added like ships and more water terroir but I haven’t seen it yet

Do they have a road map for 2024?

[latent wraith]

No, that would be pointless. We know Ashlands is coming in the first half, and that there'll be another small pstch after the current ptb patch is moved to live.

[floral halo]

I was hoping there be something in ashlands I been hearing about it for so long it I just got there today and it’s rather empty so that be cool with a change

Are they adding any other areas like that cause I know there the tip an bottom part of the world what about the sides?

[lapis jackal]

download some mods for now and wait for ashlands lol

[floral halo]

I’m on console i do enjoy it an im debating getting it in pc if I have to but I don’t think I will since it’s crossplay

[gaunt sable]

I like frogs

Valheim should have more green creatures of neck descent

[latent gorge]

Dis anyone tried to make a long path across the ocean?

[strange arrow]

not possible using just vanilla methods

i did manage to connect an island to the mainland that way though, it's tricky coz if you can't target you can't raise ground

[brittle geyser]

is there a mod to prevent feeding finewood to the kiln?

[pure plume]

You can put the wood You want to use in one of hotbar keys and add to the klin with the hitkey so no chance for accidentally adding finewood

[brittle geyser]

want to feed direct from storage

I should rephrase, looking for mod to force auto-feed from container to kilns to use only regular wood... and I should post in mod chat 🙂

or... looking for mod that forces kilns to only use only regular wood

[azure yacht]

Deep North

And game launches to full release

Sides are empty because they will remain empty

[strange arrow]

just made up of Mistlands/Plains/Forest/Mountains, and Ocean, which would be good places for more dangerous Ocean life which is possible but otherwise they are how they are now and that's it

[fair cairn]

ashlands is being worked on right now
deepnorth is next
once thats done it will be version 1.0

[strange arrow]

they might have a team working on Ocean while DN gets done who knows

[merry pebble]

You could ask in #mods-discussion 😄

[digital rampart]

Is there a release date for the Ashlands update? I wasn't able to find anything concrete

[clever torrent]

You didn't even look then.

The release window has been posted several dozen times by now.

[digital rampart]

I saw the first half of 2024, but I meant if there was something more concise since we're already almost into April.

[azure yacht]

#news

If there was, you wouldn't need to ask

[opal prairie]

Morning gjall.

[silk rivet]

Why is it not possible to use the grass setting of the cultivator on black ground in the mistlands? I'd love to be able to restore those reddish plants after levelling some ground 😢

[exotic cradle]

The ground bugs out sometimes, but it will be fixed very soon! It just sometimes creates an area that "can't be cultivated"

[opal prairie]

Aren't there just spots in the mistlands that you can't cultivate at all? No shrooms growing, no nothing?

[exotic cradle]

Yeah, but if they already had grass I think they mean

Sometimes the ground bugs out in an area, and can't be cultivated even if it already had grass beforehand
Not just in the Mistlands

[opal prairie]

"On black ground in the mistlands" made me presume the black ground you find there, not make.
I haven't had that happen to me, must be annoying having a part of your farm not being able to grow stuff.

[exotic cradle]

But also said "restore"

[exotic cradle]

#screenshots message

[regal spoke]

Is that a desync thing or just random

[exotic cradle]

Random, it happens frequently

[pure blaze]

did you guys notice any difference between Vulcan and Regular launch options? Like real difference, not a placebo?

[vocal rivet]

Depends on your system. Some people get much better performance.

[exotic cradle]

Vulcan works better with AMD I think

[rigid obsidian]

Is there any news about ashlands update??

[vocal rivet]

In what sense? Most news goes in #news

[merry pebble]

if you mean about their release date then nothing, we still only know they will be out in first half of this year 😄

[light gyro]

the game is more optimaizable yet?

[merry pebble]

and by that you mean?

[near furnace]

we optimize the game every patch we put out

[light gyro]

no like new optimizing settings like the new scale rendering option

[sudden herald]

Is there likely to be another Development Blog soon? This week maybe?

[near furnace]

renderscale is not for PC

it's more for Xbox

[urban kiln]

does anyone have a community Valheim Server, i d like to join and Watch :3 maby we will make some adventures 😍

[near furnace]

--> #1024264966712340510

[urban kiln]

Tnx :3

[light gyro]

well it made it smoother for me and since valheim is a bit pixelated 80 wasn't a big difference

[half dragon]

The game is running smoothly for me on high settings while it struggled even on low settings before. Same laptop too. Comparing current state of the game to about 1-2 years ago

option to reduce or even completely remove point lights is huge, but I suppose they work better currently than they did before

[gray nexus]

[timber tiger]

@urban kilneh we do have a server and are about to start up

starting from scratch. We're 2 folks rn

[merry pebble]

#1024264966712340510 😄

[half dragon]

finally found turnips...

[urban kiln]

is there any problem that my english is not the best, i am from germany :3

[timber tiger]

ye its ok

just join vc in Moders lair

[half dragon]

turns out you can't pick up carrots with atgeir 😂

half the harvest gone

[fallen zephyr]

Nope. Only the grain crops, I beleive.

[half dragon]

this is why grain crops are better. Spin to win

[final lily]

haha, yeah that only works with Flax/Barley

[timber tiger]

Which host is best for dedicated servers?

[vocal rivet]

Best host is nearest host.

[timber tiger]

oh

but is there a website thats good?

https://www.g-portal.com/en/gameserver/valheim-server-hosting this seems decent i think

[final lily]

I used Bisect hosting on my last server. Very stable and reliable - I'd recommend it 10 out of 10! You get more hardware power for what you pay, as well (compared to g-portal at least)

[grizzled wing]

How much is Bisect? I've used hosthavoc twice and it's €15 a month

[final lily]

$16 usd for first tier of service;
$20 usd per month for second tier (which I used) for better performance

[grizzled wing]

👍

[toxic rose]

I prefer to pick up with two handed clubs, not atgeir

[toxic rose]

Also 1 -> 1 -> 3 vs 1 -> 2 -> 4

[final lily]

so slow though!

[toxic rose]

But clubs you have all time, atgeir no), but ofc depends on play style

[half dragon]

I never have 2 handed club with me, but Atgeir is with me all the time

[final lily]

oh yeah - I'm an atgeir main too, so it's always with me 😂

[half dragon]

I was very disappointed by battle axe... I herd it's really powerful for staggering in 1 hit with that fast poke. Well... 1 star draugr and it failed to stagger it. And that cost my life. Atgeir wouldn't have betrayed me like that

still have to try if it works on abominations as it was advertised... if you guess just fire arrow time

[odd helm]

Upgrade it once, you should be able to reliably parry aboms in normal settings and with swamps food

[half dragon]

why even use a battleaxe if you're parrying with it?

[final lily]

yeah i'm totally with you there. The stagger amount on battleaxe secondary attack is surprisingly low when you're used to big Atgeir stuns. I think the weapon would be a lot more fun to play if it was increased substantially.
That said, the slash dmg on battleaxe is certainly nice against abominations. I still don't bother with it - as there are so many better ways to kill them anyways

[odd helm]

All 2H weapons have decent parry multipliers and block power

[final lily]

Atgeir has the best though 😉

[odd helm]

It's not gonna be the level of a buckler, ofc, but it's pretty good

[half dragon]

yea but shield is way better for that...

[paper marsh]

Along with upping battleaxe stagger hopefully atgeir stagger could be lowered

[odd helm]

Battleaxe damage combined with reliable parry makes aboms a breeze, I really like it

[half dragon]

also I'd rather just use normal axe and parry instead of battleaxe if it doesn't even stagger it like I was told

[final lily]

Agreed - it probably should be. It's too strong right now.

Honestly, I feel like battleaxe secondary should have higher stagger than atgeir, considering it is only single target

[paper marsh]

It's also a very fast attack tho. Real good stagger needs to be left for main attack

[half dragon]

only the first swing is slow

[final lily]

I mean yeah, but what is the point of using battleaxe secondary at all if its unlikely to do its intended job (stagger to set up the triple attack normal combo)?

[half dragon]

first also need to find a better swamp for hunting them. It's massive but so far only found 1 spawning point for abominations

[odd helm]

Don't believe they have fixed spawning points

[half dragon]

they do

[odd helm]

They should work similar to serpents, spawning on large enough swamp biome areas

[half dragon]

wiki says so and that matches my observations. Seen it spawn twice to same exact spot, never anywhere else

[odd helm]

Hm, fair enough

[half dragon]

well it's still possible that my 2 time observation was just luck, would need atleast 3rd or 4th time to be a bit more confident about that

[paper marsh]

Protip: Don't throw your spears at growths near a tar pit 😭

[vocal rivet]

Where exactly does the Wiki say that?

Abominations, like all zone spawns will spawn randomly in any suitable zone.

[half dragon]

"They often spawn in the same place as before, making it possible to farm them. Respawn timing is unknown."

[toxic rose]

Don't throw your spears if you don't want to lose them)))

[paper marsh]

They're my only ranged weapon tho

[odd helm]

That doesn't really scream "fixed spawn point" to me

[vocal rivet]

Nor me. It's a little ambiguous though.

[half dragon]

not like pinpoint fixed location, but a rather small area from what I've seen

[final lily]

They 100% do have fixed spawn points. I'm very used to farming them in specific locations on hardcore playthroughs

[odd helm]

They will tend to spawn around the same areas because those areas will fit the biome area requirements

[vocal rivet]

They 100% DO NOT. Let's not spread misinformation, eh?

[final lily]

uh oh, here comes Derek... 😂

🧌

[vocal rivet]

AKA the guy who actually knows what he's talking about.

[final lily]

😂

[half dragon]

also saying that they do not is misinformation if you do not have proof like you're demanding from us

[odd helm]

The wiki team usually pulls spawning info directly from the game code, don't y'all?

[final lily]

"fish wraps are the best in-tier HP food for the Plains"
-Derek

[vocal rivet]

We do, yeah.

[vocal rivet]

That is NOT what I said.

I don't appreciate your attitude, frankly.

[half dragon]

It is really good food though... but if you do not like fishing then forgor about it

[odd helm]

I'd sooner trust that than anecdotal experience, then.

[final lily]

A lot of people don't appreciate yours, from what I've seen...

[half dragon]

well we have both wiki and 2 people's anecdotal experience...

[vocal rivet]

Which two people?

[half dragon]

rly?

[vocal rivet]

Yes, I want you to clarify your statement.

[final lily]

best not to engage with him - he's just looking for a fight

[half dragon]

got it

[vocal rivet]

I'm not, despite the fact you've given me many reasons to.

[half dragon]

labeling something misinformation without showing any proof of your own tho...

[vocal rivet]

gestures to the Wiki

[half dragon]

and it agrees with me

[vocal rivet]

gestures to the statement by Scarlet

No, it doesn't agree with you.

[odd helm]

I suppose the wiki needs to be reworded to have a bit more precise wording then, if folks are taking the wrong conclusions.

[half dragon]

"They often spawn in the same place as before, making it possible to farm them. Respawn timing is unknown."

Zooming in... same place as before

[final lily]

I think respawn timing is like 3 in-game days

[vocal rivet]

Yeah, I'll give it a tweak. We have the timing anyway, so no idea why it says that.

It's 1000 seconds whatever that works out to in days.

Wait, no, that's serpents.

[odd helm]

Should be fairly similar, no?

[final lily]

3,600 seconds sounds more right to me

wait, 5,400 - my bad

[vocal rivet]

It's 4000 seconds in the code, so around 66 minutes.

Or two days I guess.

[half dragon]

66 minutes in a location, the entire swamp or the entire world?

[toxic rose]

Can you tell me where it is? When I get home, I want to take a look too. Inside dll or assets?

[vocal rivet]

Per zone.

[half dragon]

zone being some specific size are, kind of like chunks in minecraft but bigger or?

[vocal rivet]

Yeah. Zones are 64m by 64m.

[odd helm]

Oh, it's a square area? I always figured it'd be a circle

[vocal rivet]

Yep, square.

https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Spawn_zones explains the zone spawning mechanics in agonising detail.

[half dragon]

definitely should be seeing more of them... think my swamp is just scuffed with very few spots for them to spawn. So far seen only 1 spot for them to spawn in

[hollow pine]

that's interesting, thx Derek! 😊

[vocal rivet]

You're quite welcome. I'd say out of all the mechanics ingame, that's the one I understand the most. Don't ask me how damage works, for example.

[half dragon]

mined iron scrap to fill a longboat and during that time not a single one spawned. went a bit further in to explore edges of the swamp and suddenly 1 finally spwaned

[vocal rivet]

They only spawn in 'full' zones (zones with Swamp at all 4 corners), at ground level (or thereabouts) and only 35% of the time.

[regal spoke]

We talking Aboms or other?

[vocal rivet]

Abominations.

[regal spoke]

I see

[half dragon]

eh... well glad I saw the wiki before that useful info got edited out. It did massively help to go check the previous spot again to find another abomination. no luck anywhere else

[vocal rivet]

Edited out?

[half dragon]

it's been updated

[vocal rivet]

Yes, because it was unclear as evidenced by the discussion earlier.

[zinc glen]

charcoal is annoying XD

[vocal rivet]

Oh?

[zinc glen]

the urge to install the hold E to just fill it to max lol

[merry pebble]

He edits it to suit the current state of the game (well the comment has been deleted but still)

[vocal rivet]

Yeah, I thought I didn't imagine that.

[half dragon]

and to me it seemd to be fairly accurate since they're spawning in same location...

[vocal rivet]

They're spawning in similar locations that match the spawn requirements that I linked you to.

I really thought we'd made progress.

[half dragon]

yea starting to see why he mentioned attitude...

[rich ice]

So if they spawn in one spot, chances are good they'll spawn there again because it meets the requirements. But, they can spawn in any similar location that meets the same requirements, even if it's nearby. Right? Or am I misunderstanding?

[odd helm]

It's really not that difficult to understand. If your swamp only has one eligible 64x64m area for aboms to spawn, then they will probably spawn around the same area, somewhat reliably. Bigger swamps will have more variation because that area check has a lot more swamps to work with.

[odd helm]

Pretty much, yes.

Same deal with serpents and other area spawns

[half dragon]

not if the swamp is cursed like mine. it's massive with 20+ crypts but still only 1 location for them to spawn in, apparently

[ember panther]

Sounds like how trolls spawn in troll caves but sometimes outside of them too

[odd helm]

Could just be luck, that. Like Derek said, it's on a percent chance.

Could also be irregular terrain

[frigid gust]

Trolls around and in the caves are a little different... they're one time spawns with a chance of not occurring. There's one spawn in the cave, and one outside, both happen on generation and only once.

[ember panther]

They're only one time? I swear I've visited the same troll cave and continuously fill the chest in there with corpses

[frigid gust]

Then you've got a mod or something 😉 The inside spawns of almost all dungeons are one-time only.

[half dragon]

probably water? noticed that there are not large areas with a lot of water like I've seen in some swamps. But weirdly enough... from what you guys have said they shouldn't be spawning at the edge of swamp? Shouldn't there be ocean biome adjecent to it?

[final lily]

those coastal spawns be everywhere though...

[frigid gust]

Ever notice how you're sailing and it'll still say "Swamp" but be deep water? Ocean is only when the water is deep enough.

[ember panther]

Definitely not running mods. I figure having a fire or workbench disables the spawn but if left alone a troll could reappear

[frigid gust]

Not inside a cave, no. Only outside, and that would only be because it's a valid area for a spawn. Only Mistlands dungeons are an exception, they've got a subset that explicitly respawns.

[vocal rivet]

The spawn will happen long before you get a chance to put anything down.

[hearty niche]

The tree growing animation always scares the pee out of me.

You remembered you planted the trees, you just don't expect them to jump outta the ground.

[half dragon]

it the tree also starts wlaking towards you, worry

[hearty niche]

The acid always wears off, I never worry about that.

[ember panther]

Finally found a bonemass vegvisir in my no map playthrough. Hopefully it's not too far away. This swamp is absolutely riddled with crypts

[half dragon]

at this point kind of expecting that to be easier than finding turnips. explored a massive swamp and only found 1 single turnip seed plant 😂

[ember panther]

Yeah I only found one, in a swamp with no crypts at all. That has multiplied into hundreds now thankfully. Also managed to find onion seeds yesterday

[pliant hatch]

I died in the swamp when looking for turnips and not finding any of them.

Did a corps run, took a shortcut over Bonemass' spawn and found 3 plants within a 1m radius.

[half dragon]

they're conspiring against us

[silver nexus]

Hi all just starting my Valhiem adventure. Thought I'd join this channel to help with that ! have a great day !

[ember panther]

Welcome!

[uncut bough]

When ashlands

I will ask so that the days since last “when ashlands” counter will stay at 0

[half dragon]

As it should be. People know there is an update and not ask when, that just doesn't happen 😂

[dense steppe]

beware of trees, they are treacherous 🙀

[fickle flare]

2 minutes before you said this and i died to a tree and got off

[dense steppe]

Beware of fireplaces, they are just as insidious 😹

[half dragon]

Trees are evil. Cut them all!

5 minutes later...

Help, they're fighting back! (bonked by a falling tree)

[fickle flare]

shh

[fickle flare]

ikr

[half dragon]

The most bizzare looking tree falling I've ever seen is a tree starting to fall normally... only to do a sideways swing of about 90 degrees just before hitting the ground

[latent wraith]

glances at above abomination discussion.
Abominations often spawn in the sameish areas because the swamp is full of areas that abominations can't spawn in, so when they spawn it'll be in one of the areas that they are able to spawn in. Most mobs are more obviously random since they have a much bigger pool of possible spawn points to choose from, so to say.

[half dragon]

when it's done like that pretty much same as just having specific areas where they spawn. The result is exactly same

with exception of swamps where there are a lot of valid areas

[fickle flare]

thats cool information and all but did you know you can stack 8 beds atop of eachother without failure?

[latent wraith]

Only 8?

[fickle flare]

i tried 9 and it didnt work

the entire haystack of beds just destroyed themselves

[fair cairn]

the entire stack? not the top one? but everything?

[fickle flare]

yuh

i think its cuz i didnt perfectly align all of them

[half dragon]

that sounds weird lol

[paper marsh]

Very weird

You sure that the beds wouldn’t just crumble with 1 on top of another, you just built them so fast that it couldn’t happen until they were all placed?

[lunar ridge]

bed building speedrun any%

[frigid gust]

I vaguely remember something like that, bed stability is weird.

[obtuse cloud]

What's the best weapon for mistlands, the frostner?

[frigid gust]

Best one from before the Mistlands, yes. Ooze bombs are very handy as well, and frost and poison arrows.

Anything that does elemental damage is good, Seekers resist all physical damage types.

[final lily]

I go in with quivers filled to the brim with Frost Arrows and an unreasonable amount of Ooze bombs

Atgeir in my pocket as well, of course...

[lunar ridge]

Frostner isn't bad at all, there are certainly worse weapons to bring into the Mistlands

[obtuse cloud]

Okay so for seekers in dungeons it's best to just kill them using frost damage or poison damage, rest would be just parring bcuz I love to parry

[frigid gust]

In dungeons to start, I would suggest use Bonemass power, having the root chest and padded helm and pants, toss an ooze bomb to start combat and then you can parry attacks. But it can get overwhelming quickly, so be very deliberate in your advances. Go one room at a time, make sure you can't get flanked.

[rich ice]

I love my Frostner in the infested mines. Makes everyone respect my "personal space".

[lunar ridge]

Root chest is worth its weight in gold both in Plains and in Mistlands

[frigid gust]

Frostner is also nice because of the knockback, it's actually a reason to possibly choose it even if you have access to the Mistwalker

[final lily]

I just cheese them and throw oozebombs at unbroken doors until the whole room is cleared 😂

Devs should probably remove my ability to do that...

[lyric olive]

im taking my silver sword into the plains and got a feeling its not a good choice

[lunar ridge]

Mistlands are already taxing as-is, I'd rather they keep any and all cheese methods available

[final lily]

I mean, it's great against Yagluth. There are better choices for Fulings though (Atgeeeeiiiiir)

[lyric olive]

nah i use sword 🙂

I'm a sword kind of guy

[lunar ridge]

Well then silver sword it is. Don't worry you'll be able to make blackmetal sword quite soon

[final lily]

I wouldn't feel bad about going in with Silver Sword then. It's definitely best-in-class melee vs Yag, and Fulings are a glass-cannon type enemy anyways, so the silver sword dmg is honestly fine

[frigid gust]

The silver sword is brilliant, it just has so much damage as spirit and almost everything is immune to that. It's definitely the best weapon against Yagluth though, you might replace it with the blackmetal sword for general use. Don't be afraid to branch out though... Valheim will punish you if you try to use the wrong kind of damage, you end up making your job so much harder it's not even funny 😉

[lunar ridge]

2nd best, frostner wins by a heafty amount

[final lily]

does it really?

[fallen zephyr]

In conjunction with a parrying shield and a half decent bow, the plains will end up your bitch.

[obtuse cloud]

Me who just use sword on every type of enemy
BUT... when I started exploring plains, I just used atgeir middle attack to pair fulings quickly

[lunar ridge]

I do love my swords but yeah frostner into Yag is pretty awesome

[final lily]

Huntsman Bow is sooooo good in Plains! Being able to stealth-pull fulings out of a village is so much more useful than the slightly higher dmg that Draugr Fang gives you.

[paper marsh]

Fact. Luv me a huntsmanbow

[paper marsh]

3x its weight in gold on Very Hard ❤️

[final lily]

Agreed

[obtuse cloud]

Does it really?
Plains aren't that hard as people say, like I know it's hard, but when done with caution, it's less hard than swamps

[final lily]

crucial, even

[fallen zephyr]

The thing I've found about Valheim is that you're kinda forced into particular builds in the interests of advancement. When you're towards the end of the available content, your personal preference becomes more and more feasible.

[lunar ridge]

The BF > Swamp difficulty spike is probably the hardest in the game, and at least for me, Plains was probably the easiest because you're afforded the most room to navigate encounters since the Meadows

[obtuse cloud]

If you tried to raid a village fast, you'll end up fast

[paper marsh]

Hmm I’d disagree. I’d say you have a lot of freedom, there’s just a few weapons that are OP all throughout the game

Only exception is that blunt damage feels near necessary for bonemass

[fallen zephyr]

Yeh, the caution comes from parrying and using a good bow to one-shot stuff without aggroing the entire Fuling village.

[fallen zephyr]

I agree. We can choose to struggle the entire way, or we can choose to use that one weapon that makes the next progression marker significantly easier.

[obtuse cloud]

But now I have padded set at max level, so I just use bonemass power and kill all the fulings really fast cuz they deal 5 damage

[final lily]

Frost Arrows for the win vs Bonemass 😉

[pure blaze]

how many wood sticks does a fireplace consume per day?

[obtuse cloud]

Nah, I would say iron mace + poison resistance and you good

[lunar ridge]

Chalk it up to the fact that the difference between very resistant(pierce) and weak(blunt) is a whopping 500% damage. Even Swords, which he's only resistant to, is still a difference of 300%

[final lily]

he'll still whack the shit out of you on Very Hard

whereas he's slow AF and easy to kite with the Frost Arrow setup

[fallen zephyr]

I can understand that, given you spend your entire time wet, and impeded by chest deep water half the time. But I think plains -> mistlands is the hardest. The stamina expenditure, the archiHELLigo of navigating with a boat, the lack of visibility... it's just a bad time.

[obtuse cloud]

Nah if you're dodging the shit out of him and use health potions

[final lily]

on very hard? health potion doesn't help when he can oneshot you if you fail a dodge

[paper marsh]

I opt to skip him on Very Hard. I’m not dealing with wolf raids, especially during Moder fight

(Especially this run bc I have max raids lol)

[fallen zephyr]

Blunt against Bonemass is the go. Agreed.

[final lily]

I do the same thing, actually 😂. Easy to find silver without the Wishbone, too - so no love lost

[lunar ridge]

Yeah but by the time I'd gotten to mistlands I'd already spent so much time in the game and knew what the game was capable of. So yes in a vacuum I think it's an objectively steeper difficulty increase but the BF > Swamp situation is special in that most people in that situation are new and likely unprepared the first time

[merry pebble]

Nope, silver sword wins in terms of dmg by considerable amount

[final lily]

I thought so too

[obtuse cloud]

I'm talking about normal mode, I'm not including the other gamemodes at this time, bcuz I never tried them. So I don't have opinions on that

[merry pebble]

Frostner is also great tho

[paper marsh]

Swamp def feels harder than mistlands

[final lily]

oooh, yeah on normal I'd just take wooden club tbh

[fallen zephyr]

You realise that the people that go from BF to Swamp the first time are the same people that go from Plains to Mistlands for the first time? (i.e. everyone).

[final lily]

Agreed - I think swamp is the most dangerous place in the game when you're geared in BF apparrel/food

Nowhere to hide, whereas in plains, you have big stones to climb up on for safety

[final lily]

yeah but you've learned stamina management at this point in the game, generally

[obtuse cloud]

For me mistlands were slightly easier than swamp biome, but it's because when I first arrived at swamp at my first playthrough I was having Meadows food and no potions xD

[lunar ridge]

I'm taking the difference in game experience into consideration for the assessment

[obtuse cloud]

Because I didn't knew that cauldron was a food maker

[fallen zephyr]

Nathan Fillion confounded GIF

[lunar ridge]

There's a lot of important game mechanics you learn between swamp->Mist that you aren't taught yet in Meadows->Swamp that make a world of difference, at least for first playthroughs

[final lily]

lots of shooty things in the swamp, too. Scary...

[fallen zephyr]

Example please?

[final lily]

managing your stamina! 😉

[lunar ridge]

The importance of agriculture, food tiers, meads, stamina conservation, buffs/debuffs etc

Things you can get away with ignoring in BF as a new player but get punished quite hard for ignoring in the swamp

[fallen zephyr]

I'd argue it's not an issue of 'being taught', it's an issue of paying attention.

Survival games kinda need an approach with the mentality of, "If this is true, what else is true?"

[lunar ridge]

Valheim is a lot of peoples' first survival game, myself included

[final lily]

yeah it was mine too, heh

[grizzled wing]

Minecraft technically is a lot of people's first

[lunar ridge]

Again, these things aren't necessarily absent in Meadows or BF, but they are ignorable up until you step into swamp at which point you get slapped pretty hard

[fallen zephyr]

@lunar ridge @final lily In that case, I advise you both to approach it with the mentality of, "If this is true, what else is true?"

[final lily]

what do you mean by that?

[lunar ridge]

Well, it's a bit too late for that advice at this point, 1k hours and 6 full playthroughs later

[final lily]

haha, yeah same. I hit 1,100 the other day

[digital nexus]

Soo... can someone tell me if it is possible to remove water from a underground floor? i'm building a castle and i was trying to make some sort of cellar in a underground 1 floor but there's a lot of water...

[lunar ridge]

Don't worry though, I'm sure I'll get slapped around in Ashlands with everybody else

[final lily]

only if you raise the ground, unfortunately

[digital nexus]

oh :/ thx for the answer... but that's quite sad :/

[final lily]

Yeah I feel you on this... sorry

[lunar ridge]

Would recommend building at a higher altitude if you plan on building into the ground

[fallen zephyr]

"I can't catch this deer by running after it. Maybe stamina is important." - "That troll just one shot me, even though I was blocking, maybe evasion is important." - "I can't even mine mineral veins until I've killed the first boss, maybe I should think about how this game manages my progression." ...and, so on.

[final lily]

Well, yeah... I mean of course

[lunar ridge]

Not that it discredits the point, but on my very first playthrough I ran into less of this issue than I did in my 2nd because I started with a flint spear and preferred sneaking so the stamina conservation didn't hit me until, well, trolls lol but I didn't fight them nearly at all in BF my first playthrough I just ran away from them

[pliant hatch]

You forgot "Hey, I saw a shitload of recipes passing on screen right after I picked this up. Let's check the various crafting stations to see what I can build or craft."

[paper marsh]

I feel like you don’t need the stones (can’t they be climbed by mobs now too?)

Everything in Plains can be outrun, except deathsquito which literally takes 1 hit to kill and doesn’t do too much damage if you have root chest

[lunar ridge]

Root chest truly OP

In fact I'd say the full root set is one of the best sets in the game

With how overloaded the archery skill is in terms of benefits per level, getting free 15 is very nice

[paper marsh]

If I had to run a full set of anything on my current run, I’d prob choose Root (even though I have bows banned 🤣)

[final lily]

depends on the shape of the stone. Some of them can be climbed by Fulings/Lox, whereas others (if contoured correctly) cannot

I think it's like 50/50, tbh

[ember panther]

Totally forgot about the bow boost from root armor. Maybe I can see just how broken high level archery is

[paper marsh]

Max level bow skill is about 7x the dps of level 0. Shit is unbelievably broken

[final lily]

Completely broken. I've spoiled myself to the point that I can't play without 75+ in bow. I build skill trainers in the swamp and have a little cheeky method that I use to hit 100 skill in 2 hours or less 😉

0.2 second draw speed is nuts

[paper marsh]

Try a no bow run ;)

[final lily]

on hardcore? you're craaaaaazy!

but so very brave... respect

[frigid gust]

It's even more fun... the rocks are all generally the same, it just depends entirely on the landform around it as to whether they can get up to the climbable parts of it. Before I had good gear I would dig the ground down around the edges of the rock that they could climb so things couldn't. In general if you can sprint and run up a slope without jumping, an enemy can climb it.

[ember panther]

I'm currently at 66 and it's feeling a lot stronger. Adding 15 to that'll be quite the boost I reckon.

[final lily]

oooh, good to know

[paper marsh]

Could always start out on easier settings

[final lily]

I mean yeah - that wouldn't be too difficult though. I feel like anything less than Very Hard is a cake walk at this point. I'm terrified getting into melee on hardcore though. If forced into it, I spin with an Atgeir and then run away

How do you kill Modor without a bow on hardcore?

let alone Queen?

[frigid gust]

Moder lands, hit her with things. For the Queen, the bow is actually terrible, there are a ton of better options against her.

[elfin bluff]

Silver sword 👍

[ember panther]

Magic

[final lily]

My first time doing Queen, I used magic. Second time I used 100-skill bow with Frost Arrows. Not gonna lie, I prefer the Frost Arrow approach. Felt stronger. Note that I would not do this with sub-100 skill!

[final lily]

Modor gonna 1-shot me though if I get into melee!

[frigid gust]

Can't kill what you can't hit 😛 Just gotta roll out of any attacks.

[final lily]

omg you guys are sooooo much braver than I am!

[frigid gust]

Naah. I don't play hardcore or hard mode. I don't have the skills or time to get good at that. I get an hour or two on a good night to play, I don't want it to be an exercise in frustration or high effort. I do that all day at work 😛

[regal spoke]

That's exactly where I'm at Pita

[frigid gust]

I count myself as "solidly mediocre". I can handle the general Mistlands with a root chest and fenris set on normal difficulty, and I consider that enough.

[paper marsh]

I mean, it’s faster to kill her with a spear in melee than with a bow unless you have insane bow skill

I prob will dabble in magic and use some of that for queen. Not gonna go full magic cheese build tho, prob just 1 eitr food most the time

I did need root chest and serpent stew / serpent meat / wolf skewer to be able to tank one hit from any of her attacks

[regal spoke]

"One hit" I'd be sweating

[paper marsh]

Was able to more or less tank one hit each time she landed. And then regened enough health to tank a hit for her next landing by using a health potion and normal hp regen. Only attack that was kinda harmless was her bite, bc it was pierce

Funnily enough Germ was using a bow most the fight but ended up dying (he also didn’t have the setup to tank much tho 🙏 )

[regal spoke]

How did you feel not having stamina in your meal

[final lily]

I used single Eitr food and double Stamina, carried a staff of protection and a Bow with around 500 frost arrows, along with plenty of bile bombs. That did the trick!

[final lily]

I see... died to her getting one-shot once on hardcore while running Serpent Stew + Serpent Meat + Stamina. Scared the crap out of me

[regal spoke]

I've gotten pretty good at dealing with her attacks. But something about playing on hardcore. Knowing one shot is a potential brings a lot of anxiety

[final lily]

are you sure her bite is pierce? The wiki says that both the bite and the claw count as slash dmg

[paper marsh]

Yup yup you need that triple health Carry to tank her insane damage

Her frost barrage does bonkers damage

[final lily]

yeah it's kinda absurd actually

[paper marsh]

Pretty sure yeah. Looks to me like the wiki is missing one of her attacks. She has two melee attacks, a slash with her claw (slash) and a bite with her teeth (pretty sure it’s pierce)

[regal spoke]

Bonemass year one was kinda bonkers too

[paper marsh]

Her frost barrage is 60 pierce and 400 frost per projectile 💀

I opted for fenris legs and eikthyr power so I could outrun the barrage every time

[merry pebble]

wiki says 30 pierce and 200 frost 🤔

[regal spoke]

Eikthyr power best power

[paper marsh]

We’re discussing Very Hard

[merry pebble]

oh wait, you playing hard right?

yeah just realized that sorry 😄

[paper marsh]

All good

[final lily]

wiki says:
"While grounded, she can perform a swipe attack with either claw or a bite, all of which does up to 110 slash..."

[paper marsh]

Eikthyr is the only power I’ve used so far this run. No portals really changes up my power usage

[desert tangle]

this is normal right? https://imgur.com/a/holsuZ4

game preview is still the full game?

[paper marsh]

Hmm, maybe I’d have to test. Just remember her slash hitting me for like 140+ damage and her bite felt like sub 80

[final lily]

Forsaken Powers Plus mod is pretty clutch for these runs I find. That said, I still stay with Eikthyr 90% of the time xD

[ember panther]

How often do you find yourself at the altar anyway?

[regal spoke]

Bonemass power could be argued/considered for hardcore. Especially in Mist. But stam is so important there too

[paper marsh]

Close to never. Did weirdly have to run/sail from my base (right next to mistlands) all the way back to a mountain immediately next to spawn to find a Moder spawn tho

[paper marsh]

Hmmm I’m not much a fan of bonemass for mist. Already got root for pierce, and I feel like there’s not as much blunt and slash. Still could be good for dungeons yea

[strange arrow]

if yr fast enough even they can be outrun

[final lily]

the double claw hit from seekers is blunt. That one hits like a truck through Root chest

[glass spruce]

surtr' should be the ashlands boss

[final lily]

hardcore adds +20% speed to mobs

[paper marsh]

Isn’t that what I said?

[regal spoke]

I run Eikthyr loyally. I prioritize stam over everything.

[paper marsh]

*very hard

Not hardcore

[final lily]

oh yeah, tru

[strange arrow]

also you can jump them when they go to strike

[paper marsh]

I’ll say I’m not a fan of all heavy armor. The speed debuff kills me (literally)

[strange arrow]

then you get a breather

[paper marsh]

Flesh rippers and knives are so fun bc I can zoom through the air unburdened and slash at enemies

Nothing as fun as running around mountains in full fenris, flesh rippers, and decent run/jump skill and just meleeing dragons out of the air left and right

[final lily]

do you find any appreciable difference between knives and flesh rippers??

[regal spoke]

I finally tried Pita's tasty mead tech. Having enough combat confidence to try. Amazing results

[paper marsh]

Flesh rippers have a 2 hit combo which is super nice. Sadly I don’t use flesh rippers and skoll and hati as much as I want bc the parries just suck

I’d imagine that flesh rippers are the highest dps weapon for Moder given your fist skill is the same as other skills

[strange arrow]

just practice by doing streaking exploration

[final lily]

interesting, I wasn't aware. That's kinda bonkers, actually

[paper marsh]

Yea I only learned recently too. I’d totally try to do a fist weapon build if there was more of them in the game

[final lily]

it's also full slash dmg, which is really nice actually

[ember panther]

Do flesh rippers increase the power of kicks?

[paper marsh]

When I get to mistlands I might pull out skoll and hati and magic shield specifically to deal with starred seekers and soldiers

[paper marsh]

They do extra damage I believe, dunno about the knock back

I’m not a big fan of kicks.

Jumping at someone and THEN doing knife alt tho, that’s a fun one

[final lily]

what is the attack speed on fleshrippers? wiki doesn't say

[paper marsh]

idk exact attack speed. They hit pretty fast, same as punches I believe

A bit slower than a knife, prob comparable to a spear