Defiance | Mindustry | Page 2

lusty meteor Jun 27, 2024, 1:27 AM

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Medium

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Certainly less than a lategame generator i planned

open charm Jun 27, 2024, 1:28 AM

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how much is high 😨

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is it like

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"you have to fit 200 of these 11x11 factories into your base to even run this generator"

lusty meteor Jun 27, 2024, 1:29 AM

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You're going to have other things to worry about lacking phantom gel

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No, its probably going to be like 1 or 2 phantom gel mixers

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Which im planning to be anywhere between 3x3 and 5x5, probably will settle on the size that ties it into the payload printing progression

open charm Jun 27, 2024, 1:32 AM

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make the tank need tanks of phantom gel and say that it just cant be compressed very well

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make each tank have like some 20 seconds of phantom gel productions worth and can run the generator for like 40 seconds

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like if each phantom gel mixer makes like 5/s, the tank can contain 100 units

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ofc its like forced to be printed (player cant place nor carry it) and add some payload loader stuff

lusty meteor Jun 27, 2024, 1:35 AM

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The entire point with printing stuff is for the player to carry it into place

open charm Jun 27, 2024, 1:35 AM

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could you make the generator thing be some sort of payload thing where you need to put payload into it and it outputs the payload empty

lusty meteor Jun 27, 2024, 1:36 AM

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I mean, doesnt feel like the sorta stuff the SER would be

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Its not a batch processing device, its an efficiency improver that needs a stream of liquid

open charm Jun 27, 2024, 1:37 AM

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aw man

lusty meteor Jun 27, 2024, 1:37 AM

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Although the idea of throwing whole containers in a crafting device is cool, even if it has been done before

open charm Jun 27, 2024, 1:37 AM

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i dont think it has

lusty meteor Jun 27, 2024, 1:37 AM

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Ithas

open charm Jun 27, 2024, 1:38 AM

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maybe payload refining device where you throw in just like blocks of impure stuff and it gets processed into something cool and stuff

lusty meteor Jun 27, 2024, 1:38 AM

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I was thinking of doing the mythril alloyer like that

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Or nichrome

open charm Jun 27, 2024, 1:39 AM

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ah

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ok

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can you make something have like 2 inputs for liquid on different sides (or is that just straight up impossible)

lusty meteor Jun 27, 2024, 1:40 AM

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Technically possible but why would i bother

open charm Jun 27, 2024, 1:42 AM

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idk

lusty meteor Jun 27, 2024, 1:42 AM

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The SER is supposed to be cool and unique with how it recycles power and influences your factory's layout, not with how the inputs work

lusty meteor Jun 27, 2024, 6:33 AM

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don't get me wrong those aren't entirely bad ideas, they just don't fit the SER. I'm writing them down.

open charm Jun 27, 2024, 7:27 AM

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lets go!!!

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whenever i decide to play this mod once its out i can make the most atrocious base known to mankind

lusty meteor Jun 27, 2024, 7:47 AM

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have fun, i guess

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just be careful not to have your brains exploded

open charm Jun 27, 2024, 7:49 AM

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my brains are immune to explosion since i make the bases that make brains explode. or something

lusty meteor Jun 27, 2024, 7:50 AM

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ah.

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very well

lusty meteor Jun 28, 2024, 1:57 PM

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i will get down to making a power generator you won't encounter until Layer 3 but im sooo inspired rn

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the whole setup will be called the electrochemical powerplant. and it will consist of 5 unique buildings: cathodic electrolyte mixer, anodic electrolyte mixer, electrochemical anode, electrochemical cathode and anion bridge

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it will also implement 5 unique liquids that are used basically mainly for this

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anodic electrolyte, charged anodic electrolyte, cathodic electrolyte and charged cathodic electrolyte

lusty meteor Jun 28, 2024, 4:14 PM

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lusty meteor Jun 28, 2024, 4:38 PM

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i guess @lapis sonnet has full authority over my mod now

lapis sonnet Jun 28, 2024, 4:38 PM

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whar

lusty meteor Jun 28, 2024, 4:41 PM

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i'm going with anion membrane because im tired of waiting

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of course now its a 50/50 vote, whatever, i'll wait longer and if bridge wins or i get a good suggestion im gonna change it

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for now its membrane because i want to do the sprites

remote marten Jun 28, 2024, 4:49 PM

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lusty meteor

anion ~~blast~~ carrier

lusty meteor Jun 28, 2024, 4:51 PM

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eh

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its a place where electrons can move from one electrolyte to the other because its electrochemically favourable, but we don't mix the electrolytes, so its like, either a salt bridge or a membrane

remote marten Jun 28, 2024, 4:54 PM

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what's a salt bridge

lusty meteor Jun 28, 2024, 4:54 PM

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its a uh

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lusty meteor Jun 28, 2024, 7:47 PM

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for the record, electrolytes will also be used to construct some higher-tier units, so you might find yourself in a situation where you have just a cathode to charge up your electrolyte to build a unit

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Anion membrane

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anion membrane right next to the anode and cathode

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the cathode eats up 100 cathodic electrolyte/sec, but outputs 95 charged cathodic electrolyte/sec, which can be discharged into cathodic electrolyte again

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those numbers are up for debate but the main point is, eats a ton of liquid, outputs a little les of the byproduct

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now the anode eats up its charged electrolyte and returns regular electrolyte

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and you can turn charged cathodic and regular anodic into charged anodic and regular cathodic, which turns 2 byproducts back into useful products

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of course, the anode and cathode waste some electrolyte alongside consuming metals that make up their electrodes, so there is a cost to running these

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the ratio won't be 1:1:1, too

lusty meteor Jun 28, 2024, 8:46 PM

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the ratio is 3:5:2

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3 cathodes, 5 membranes and 2 anodes

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this comes from the fact that the nickel cation is Ni2+ and the chromium ion is Cr3+

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and 5 membranes just 'cause

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power generation is probably gonna be readjusted when i get to Layer 3 with the rest of the mod

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effectively, cathodes and anodes waste 5% of the electrolyte

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although i might consider moving the electrolyte wasting directly to where the electrolyte gets charged

lusty meteor Jun 28, 2024, 9:44 PM

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i have created a discord for Defiance. If anyone wants to join, DM me and i'll send the invite, i won't send it here because r8

runic oyster Jun 29, 2024, 12:45 AM

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lusty meteor anodic electrolyte, charged anodic electrolyte, cathodic electrolyte and charged...

He is well interested in electrochemistry

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I like these things 😁

crisp bobcat Jun 29, 2024, 12:55 AM

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lusty meteor i have created a discord for Defiance. If anyone wants to join, DM me and i'll s...

try to get a forum mod to send the link

open charm Jun 29, 2024, 6:00 AM

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MODULAR POWER GENERATION 🤩

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even more atrocious bases

lusty meteor Jun 29, 2024, 11:05 AM

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i was considering a single block which just needs chromium and nickel and possibly electrolyte, but i decided this electrode thing is way cooler

open charm Jun 29, 2024, 1:03 PM

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make a even more complicated power generator pls

rapid plover Jun 29, 2024, 1:14 PM

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gregtech power generator

open charm Jun 29, 2024, 1:16 PM

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gregteck

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add from the depths generators

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like the fuel engine (central "controller", with a crank shaft that goes in a straight line. theres cylinders on the sides, with injectors that boost all touching cylinders by like 50% ig. cylinders are the things that produce power

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cylinders need atleast 1 injector!!!

lusty meteor Jun 29, 2024, 1:30 PM

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eh

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maybe the nuclear power will be complicated but honestly probably not that much

open charm Jun 30, 2024, 2:03 PM

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make atleast 1 material have a unholy complicated crafting tree including atleast 6 different factories

lusty meteor Jun 30, 2024, 2:26 PM

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not a fan of that tbh

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i mean, the closest thing i have to that is mythril, which is an endgame alloy made of several things but not "atleast 6 different factories"

remote marten Jun 30, 2024, 2:34 PM

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make a 7x7 factory

royal belfry Jun 30, 2024, 2:45 PM

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lusty meteor i mean, the closest thing i have to that is mythril, which is an endgame alloy m...

real fake reference? 🤑

lusty meteor Jun 30, 2024, 2:47 PM

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remote marten make a 7x7 factory

there will be a 7x7 core

remote marten Jun 30, 2024, 2:47 PM

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YEAH

lusty meteor Jun 30, 2024, 2:47 PM

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with a core unit that is kind of a mini-mothership

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actually i consider giving it some tiny helper drones

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yeah, im gonna take the first core unit, make it smaller and make Irradiance (7x7 core's core unit) spawn them

lusty meteor Jun 30, 2024, 3:21 PM

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flash heater, thermocouple and reclamator working. the glow color on these last two will probably be redone

lusty meteor Jun 30, 2024, 3:47 PM

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The flash heater, reclamator and thermocouple are here!

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they're finished now.

open charm Jun 30, 2024, 6:07 PM

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what do they do'

lusty meteor Jun 30, 2024, 7:30 PM

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flash heater detonates ammonia and makes heat and hydrogen and nitrogen

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and the two other blocks turn heat to power, the larger one (reclamator) being better but costlier

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and unlocked later

west cliff Jul 1, 2024, 3:33 AM

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Why isn’t this mod getting attention btw

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This is one of the more unique ones

crisp bobcat Jul 1, 2024, 4:05 AM

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west cliff Why isn’t this mod getting attention btw

Because it hasn't gained much traction

west cliff Jul 1, 2024, 4:05 AM

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Then how did Aquarion?

crisp bobcat Jul 1, 2024, 4:06 AM

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With no download available it cant be found from github or the browser

crisp bobcat Jul 1, 2024, 4:06 AM

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west cliff Then how did Aquarion?

People searching tantros

west cliff Jul 1, 2024, 4:06 AM

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Fair

crisp bobcat Jul 1, 2024, 4:06 AM

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Quite simple there

west cliff Jul 1, 2024, 4:06 AM

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But it’s not even the top search

crisp bobcat Jul 1, 2024, 4:06 AM

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Biotech survived its hiatus off one meme

Psammos had gained a following already because of frequent discussion

etc etc for various mods

crisp bobcat Jul 1, 2024, 4:07 AM

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west cliff But it’s not even the top search

Doesn't need to be

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It's one of the most popular planet mods already and it just keeps getting new people trying it out

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It got popular off being tantros based and being a planet mod

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When aquarion was first made planet mods were obviously already done but still a cool thing that didn't have that many to stick out

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Defiance isn't released, doesn't have frequent discussions, and will likely pick up traction once its played and given it's first few stars

west cliff Jul 1, 2024, 4:09 AM

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The only thing publicizing Aquarion is a videos and a random Reddit post

crisp bobcat Jul 1, 2024, 4:09 AM

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west cliff The only thing publicizing Aquarion is a videos and a random Reddit post

That's all you need though

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1 reddit post got my GD level hundreds of downloads in a day

Sure the mindustry and gd servers have a massive popularity difference but

A reddit post talking about a new cool planet mod? Of course people will try it out

And then once it got enough stars people started seeing it on the mod browser and joining the discord

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Especially with BioTech

The mod had very little activity and popularity

But then a stupid meme appeared cough that I started cough that kept the server and mod alive until its update where it really started getting traction

In fact now BioTech is one of the most popular planet mods

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I hope this mod gets some traction because it's cool with some good ideas

west cliff Jul 1, 2024, 4:14 AM

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Now it’s bouta start some trauma

lusty meteor Jul 1, 2024, 11:53 AM

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crisp bobcat With no download available it cant be found from github or the browser

yeah i was supposed to get onto that

open charm Jul 2, 2024, 5:37 PM

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woah. i love modular power

lusty meteor Jul 2, 2024, 6:19 PM

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im afraid everything i've done up to this point got completely nuked

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i fucking hate myself now

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re-doing everything i've lost would take ages

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i mean i can still rescue the sprites and the maps but the code is all but gone

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i'll try a java decompiler with a .jar i have but other wise i don't know where to go with this

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yep. this is pretty much over.

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maybe i'll try to rewrite this whole thing some time but now i really don't fucking feel like it

west cliff Jul 2, 2024, 8:19 PM

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lusty meteor im afraid everything i've done up to this point got completely nuked

What can we do to assist?

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I’ve lost a mod multiple times. You will feel like shit but you will be able to make everything better

lusty meteor Jul 2, 2024, 8:23 PM

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to be honest there's nothing we can do now

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i can only learn from what i did wrong

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first of all, i think the scope was too big to start

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second of all, i think all these materials were too... wierd

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whats needed is simple and not necessairly realistic stuff

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third, the pressurized duct transport system was too painful to use

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most of the thinking went towards routing the required gas in

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fourth, the complete lack of atmosphere limits a lot of options, for example, you can't have some cool air units and you can't compress the atmosphere as a resource

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and finally, trying to limit the pallete for blocks to three colors is just monotonous

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i thought it'd make it look like parts of the same set, but it just makes everything a pain to work with

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and 90% of blocks look the same

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so i guess this is a death sentence to Defiance, but i'll learn from this

lusty meteor Jul 2, 2024, 8:46 PM

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welp, time to code pressurized ducts from scratch

lapis sonnet Jul 2, 2024, 8:48 PM

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idk what to say, i couldn't fathom losing an entire mod

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that's a bummer

lusty meteor Jul 2, 2024, 8:53 PM

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atleast i got ideas now

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i just don't have anywhere to put them

vale yarrow Jul 2, 2024, 8:58 PM

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What happened to the code did you accidentally delete it, did it get corrupted or what?

lusty meteor Jul 2, 2024, 8:58 PM

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accidental deletion

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irreversible, mind you.

lapis sonnet Jul 2, 2024, 8:58 PM

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i've had a mod idea for a while now about a planet called Cudera, with a very unstable environment (very cold poles, very warm equator, etc) and abyssus is my main focus right now, so you could try that maybe?

lusty meteor Jul 2, 2024, 8:59 PM

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yeah sounds usable

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although that sounds quite like frostscape

lapis sonnet Jul 2, 2024, 9:00 PM

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i haven't checked out that mod

lusty meteor Jul 2, 2024, 9:00 PM

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its not implemented but thats the plans

lapis sonnet Jul 2, 2024, 9:00 PM

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ah

vale yarrow Jul 2, 2024, 9:05 PM

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lusty meteor irreversible, mind you.

Unless you overwrite the memory where the file was it should still be there, so you could maybe get it back by using some file restoring utility or something

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Fun fact this is the reason hard drives need to be shredded to make sure that all of the information was properly deleted

lusty meteor Jul 2, 2024, 9:16 PM

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yeah no theres no way the data is still there

crisp bobcat Jul 2, 2024, 9:22 PM

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lusty meteor yeah no theres no way the data is still there

Damn.
This is why I keep backups of everything I delete 😭

rip defiance
no more anode
no more cathode
:(

lusty meteor Jul 2, 2024, 9:24 PM

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if i can apply it in some next mod i'll apply it

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heck possibly even as a crafting setup instead

remote marten Jul 2, 2024, 10:20 PM

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here lies defiance

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🫡

lusty meteor Jul 2, 2024, 10:29 PM

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pain

compact carbon Jul 3, 2024, 12:06 AM

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F

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🫡

lapis sonnet Jul 3, 2024, 1:08 AM

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🫡

sour pawn Jul 3, 2024, 1:12 AM

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🫡

west cliff Jul 3, 2024, 2:05 AM

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Death of another great mod

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🫡

split grotto Jul 3, 2024, 2:39 AM

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"F" 🫡

royal belfry Jul 3, 2024, 4:10 AM

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lusty meteor yeah no theres no way the data is still there

did you not push to github

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github exists to save your commits

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or do you mean you removed the github repo AND your local repo

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dont be afraid to commit and push to github

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if you didnt have one, remember to have a github repo. it could be private, really

west cliff Jul 3, 2024, 4:24 AM

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hey uhh @lusty meteor could I have the jar file?

rapid plover Jul 3, 2024, 4:27 AM

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truly a ⚰️ moment

west cliff Jul 3, 2024, 4:29 AM

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I may have a way to get it back though

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Im going to try it

royal belfry Jul 3, 2024, 7:48 AM

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jd-gui with manual editing????

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🤑

lusty meteor Jul 3, 2024, 8:18 AM

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royal belfry did you not push to github

i removed it by accident when setting up the github repo because i couldn't figure out how to pair it up with intellij

royal belfry Jul 3, 2024, 8:38 AM

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lusty meteor i removed it by accident when setting up the github repo because i couldn't figu...

could you send the jar

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most code can be recovered from a jar

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since they keep debug symbols

lusty meteor Jul 3, 2024, 8:40 AM

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i know they keep the functions

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i mean, the names of methods and classes

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but you have no idea how much i spent on the code within

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i might just close this thread because i'm tired of people whining about my mod dying

rapid plover Jul 3, 2024, 8:41 AM

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undye your mod

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🧌

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no more people whining

lusty meteor Jul 3, 2024, 8:41 AM

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no, defiance is not coming back.

open charm Jul 3, 2024, 4:16 PM

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rip*

normal tartan Jul 18, 2024, 10:32 AM

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What happened here

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...

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Oh

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🫡

crystal cliff Jul 18, 2024, 6:59 PM

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lusty meteor no, defiance is not coming back.

😭

lusty meteor Jul 18, 2024, 7:02 PM

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i am working on something else though

crystal cliff Jul 18, 2024, 7:03 PM

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I believe in you

lusty meteor Jul 18, 2024, 7:04 PM

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i was burning out anyway and some ideas were far from perfect

crystal cliff Jul 18, 2024, 7:05 PM

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I completely understand

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it's all up to you

lusty meteor Jul 18, 2024, 7:06 PM

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here's a little clip of what i've been able to do

lusty meteor Jul 20, 2024, 1:18 AM

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Whats with acropolis

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