Unranked Bronze 3 - Zero VP in a Silver Lobby

[wanton field]

Not sure how this happened, but my silver lobby just now had a brand new ranked player (Bronze 3 - zero VP). Fed their butt off, but somehow we won a single fight and went for core for the win.

Replay:

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Please separate low level accounts, bronze ranked, and number of ranked games played as matchmaking criteria even if queue times take longer.

[rare cave]

Time played ≠ skill

Game uses mmr to match make

Players start at average mmr

You are at average mmr

[radiant inlet]

every day the same posts.

[stiff pewter]

It just shows how intransparent the game is

The game and the web site explain nothing about match making

[rare cave]

this is explaining nothing? https://www.predecessorgame.com/en-US/news/dev-diary/matchmaking-improvements

[stiff pewter]

The loading screen for a ranked match clearly reads "similar skilled players"

[stiff pewter]

yes it explains nothing.

[rare cave]

literally explains how matchmaking uses mmr but ok

[stiff pewter]

How do you find game relevant info? In the news section?

[stiff pewter]

it uses a lot of words, like ai slop, to say nothing really.

[rare cave]

lol

ok

[stiff pewter]

it's an article from 2023

it's about bla bla why Omeda can't improve much

we are ending 2025 in few days

There is a reason why we 2 years later find posts daily about how bad match making is

nothing has improved

"conscious decision... to bias towards faster matchmaking times."

yep it explains in few words why the experience is so bad

[vivid kettle]

because people like yourself refuse to learn and cannot understand it

the gadget's mmr will drop and theyll play against worse people, as can already be seen by their most recent game with 6/10 bronze players and 4/10 silver players

[stiff pewter]

these days it seems difficult to read ~3000 words and remember what was just read.

[vivid kettle]

your attention span is that bad???

damn

[radiant inlet]

go to chat gpt an type in: how does ranked matchmaking in predecessor work

[stiff pewter]

why? it's written there in the post from 2023

it's stated that they favor shorter search times over mote fair teams

it's several times explained what MMR is just in different words - aka AI slope

3000 words to say that Omeda is uninspired about match making.

Instead of asking players when looking for ranked if they prefer fair teams or shorter search times omeda decided that's best to favor short search times.

[stiff pewter]

you should ask chatgpt or any AI why it's irrelevant how MMR works when the match making picks random players just to have shorter match search times

[radiant inlet]

it doesnt. If it was random, I wouldn play against the same top players all day.

[rare cave]

almost like that blogpost was made before ranked was implemented

for quickplay

[vivid kettle]

Goddamn you're obsessed with the words ai slop

[wanton field]

"When you queue up for a match, the system begins by searching for players and parties closest to your MMR value. As your ticket moves through the queue and the matchmaker starts to assemble a potential game of 10 players, it navigates the difficult tradeoff between holding out for teammates who are more similar to your skill level and ensuring that you’re able to find a match in a reasonable amount of time.

While some players might advocate for longer matchmaking times and slower MMR range expansion in exchange for matches with a narrower range of MMR, there is a practical limit to how balanced you can make matches given a certain population size and amount of time players are willing to wait before giving up. We made a conscious decision at the beginning of Early Access to bias towards faster matchmaking times to ensure players can play more matches of Predecessor while we continue to develop the game, and while we still believe that to be the right course, we acknowledge that the quality bar for match fairness has suffered as a result.

We’re sorry, and we’re working hard to fix it."

From 2023, but feels like no improvements were implemented today.

[wanton field]

I actually checked on the new player's ranked matches just now cause I was curious.

They actually played 9 games before the one I linked above, but they lost most of them so their vp stayed at 0.

They also always go 0 or 1 kill and 10+ deaths.

Their two most recent games had a team average of 250 to 350 vp so bronze 1 to silver 3.

Not sure if bronze 3 should be lumped into that pool if they prove to not understand even the basics.

[vivid kettle]

Yeah they're shit
They get put with worse and worse people

But I dont think you or anyone would want a system that ranks you on kda,

[wanton field]

Agreed to the extent of not solely on KDA, but it should be an indicator that you are out of your depth for feeding.

[radiant inlet]

the goal is to destroy the core, not to kill heroes.

[misty pulsar]

tell me one metric that would not instantly get abused to farm more or lose less vp

or leads to insanly stupid cases of grief and drafting problems

ive seen scrims where frontliners went 0-15 and they did the right thing in the game and allowed there team to win