this patch shifted nothing it seems

[muted crater]

Omeda balance team, do something to shift the meta. your always doing such small changes.

[fresh estuary]

Surely the new map will make this back into a MOBA right

https://tenor.com/view/padme-4-panel-meme-attack-of-the-clones-padme-meme-anakin-padme-gif-6902972594242919448

[muted crater]

personally i like the timing

but the same characters are aproblem

just bad baance team again and again

[lusty thunder]

i feel like serath is a lot weaker, the Q cooldown change was big

[marsh vector]

I honestly doubt it

Augments have done irreparable damage to the balance of this game, alongside global xp/gold changes. The questionable balance changes only add to that

[fresh estuary]

then they can leave Nitro for you. this game really needs a pacing change theres no strategy to anyting and your constantly fighting after 5-7 min max.

[muted crater]

that is the strat

[fresh estuary]

perfect game with what we been shown right now is

Brawl

Nitro

New Map slower pacing mode

they can have a ranked for both Nitro and the new map if the population is there I dont think people would be upset by it tbh

[fresh estuary]

Well legacy is coming so that might be the new map we been waiting for?

or just a nostalgia trip 🤔
Either way am playing that and trying to get my old buddies that played to join me 🙌

[robust tundra]

Im wondering if the Agora sized map is mainly being used as a test to see how big the new map needs to be.

It's been years so I may be misremembering but I feel like Agora was atleast 25% bigger than monolith. In any case, the jungle felt very jungly and cool in the Agora map.

[tame gazelle]

If I remember correctly Paragon's Monolith was a 30% smaller than Legacy

But I think that Predecessor's Monolith is even smaller than Paragon's one, at least that is the impression it gives to me while looking at old Paragon's Monolith gameplays

[fresh estuary]

I can't see them making it only to temporarily use it unless final versions slightly modified that's a lot of man power to remake it

[fresh estuary]

Nah preds map is currently bigger then monolith I think speed might just be turned up so much that it feels small or the same.

[tame gazelle]

I don't know, if you go to old videos and look at the jungle of the 2 different versions of Monolith (or were there 3?) you will see the jungle to look massively bigger, the epic monsters pits also looks bigger and the lanes also looks wider and with more space to fight

It feels like if our characters were smaller (which is the same that if the map is bigger)

[jolly moss]

Good, she was literally broken

Still number 1 hero i ban in ranked

[dense moth]

most of the top junglers dont think shes ban worthy anymore tho

might just take people some time to realise

[jolly moss]

Its not that she is broken,
i just hate that woman

I hate the Q, way too much range, a lockon, invulnerability and gets to chase people even if they blink and use movement abilities?
terrible design

all i will say

The only counterplay to it is literally "wait it out"

reduced range would do it for me, atleast seraths would have to position themselfs to hit the Q or use their other movement abilities to do so

[silver badger]

Her old Q was more balanced because she had to time it better, and she remained in the same spot while casting it

[jolly moss]

Exactly

[silver badger]

She has way too much chase and even a slow to really have the Master Yi version of her Q

[jolly moss]

now her q is a braindead Lockon Dash with immunity

[silver badger]

Master Yi is balanced that he can't really dash at you, or slow you, unless he itemized it

Serath, can ascend (extra dodge) and dash at you

And can slow you if you attempt to run

There's no way she can remain balanced like this

[jolly moss]

And she doesnt have to use her ascend to get close to you

since her Q has enough range

she doesnt have to aim

[silver badger]

It just means she can instagank

Ascend, Q, boom

[jolly moss]

and if thats not enough her ult gives her movement speed

And she gets CDR from takedowns

[silver badger]

If I wanted to climb, I'd genuinely spam Serath

[jolly moss]

literally worst hero design in the game

Wukong is broken, but his kit is atleast reasonable

[silver badger]

I have no idea why they made it a literal copy of Master Yi's

[jolly moss]

Seraths kit is just bad

[silver badger]

It's the 1 ability that makes her horrible to play against

[dense moth]

Idk i just feel like it needs to be a hard sacrifice on dps compared to autoing

[silver badger]

Make it a simple "Parry" and that's it

Not an untargetable+dash+kphjillion attacks

[wintry sentinel]

Ashbringer still a problem too

They balance waaaay too slow

[fresh estuary]

I been saying it

That hero has to much going for her also her damage is stupid given she can enter people's body like that while being giga mobile also passive giving ult everytime just sooooo stupid. Its never going to be balanced

Add to that they gave her a stupid stun

WHY

Just why

[tame gazelle]

Original Serath design was more fair and well rounded. Having a master Yi with a long dash, AOE slow and now AOE stun is not good for any game

[fresh estuary]

people hate master Yi in League too

very controversial hero. ya can be countered but thats because he has some form of limit. Serath is lacking the limit

[lusty thunder]

Q being able to crit was kinda wild though, even if it locked you in place, not to mention, using it on a minion wave gave you invulerability for a good chunk of time

not ot mention I think it scaled with ad better

[lusty thunder]

imo Yi's i better, and I don't think it's close, there just more lock on cc in league

Yi has true damage, with a passive that makes on hit items busted af

I think with the changes to her Q, serath will go back to building bruiser, without access to her Q nonstop she will no longer find as much success building glass cannon

[tame gazelle]

But the Q only hit 1 time, it was basically 1 single basic attack to an enemy

And the invulnerability had a fixed time in a fixed position, if you hit a big wave of minions you were going to be in the same spot for a long time, which made you vulnerable for the enemy to prepare and get you when the ability ended, which also gave a layer of complexity, you had to decide how many minions you need to get in your AOE Q, defending if you wanted to stay a lot of time on invulnerability, or you wanted to end the ability as fast as possible

That was way cooler to manage and play around than just pressing 1 button and letting the game hit everything for you while moving you to the enemy position while invulnerable

[tame gazelle]

Original Serath had an ult that gave weakness to the enemies, which is part of what made Serath to be able to stand and fight for long periods of that, it was that, plus the life steal of which she got a lot of profits thanks to her Q being a lot of single target basic attacks

[rain harness]

This is something I have yet to understand.

Why were arguments added or even worked on?
They should fix the regular balance of the game with the systems they have right now (Items, Hero Stats and Crests) and not add even more things to balance that will take more time to balance....

Also, even if it is not the topic of this thread, why are they working on arguments when there are things like a proper practice mode and a deck building system missing from the game?
This is like the worst investment of time they could've done.

No idea if others were expecting or even wanting arguments, but to me they came as a total surprise.