Morigesh is being mistreated

[verbal lion]

1. Why do i lose my ult if someone else takes the kill?
2. Why does the cooldown have to be maxed out if someone else takes the kill?

Im not understanding why her ult is 4 seconds long and im completely immobile AND AM STILL SEVERLY PUNISHED WHEN SOMEONE ELSE GETS THE KILL!!
The ult doesnt slow, there is no DOT, no root, no blind, if i ult and i havent even touched the enemy within the assist time limit i dont even get the assist.... Full punishment for pushing R on her but the same doesnt apply for Shinbi? Zinx? Make it AT LEAST make sense or fix it please this is getting out of hand.

[plain zenith]

1. Because you didn't press your ult at the right moment. This is an ability you can use anywhere, anytime, as long as you mark the enemy first.
   You can't miss this ability unless you use it too late.
   Next time, just use it earlier.
   For example, if Feng Mao misses his ult, he shouldn't just get his cooldown back. If you miss, you missed.

[verbal lion]

Fantastic exactly what I was looking for! A brain dead answer please waste someone else’s time.

[plain zenith]

Sry, but I could say the same about your feedback

[cyan dove]

If grim ults and his target is killed before the ult reaches the person should he get his ult refunded?

[verbal lion]

Not completely no. And I’m not asking that for Mori either btw.

Take other games for example. Smite and Marvel rivals. Both games have ults that can be ruined before use and/or canceled mid use. And they are refunded at 50% or more cooldown (meaning they have to charge up half or more than half of their ult over again) but they don’t have to completely restart.

Grim just like Mori can’t chase after an ult so they have to be precise with WHEN they ult to secure the kill bc if they blow it early it won’t to enough damage and they can no longer chase the kill down. And if someone steals it before the ult lands you’re fully punished on both characters for pressing R and you did ✨nothing✨ to the enemy you ulted.

[cyan dove]

that makes sense, just trying to use another ability as a tool to understand your POV

so your stating that characters with the sort of lock on long animation style ultimates should not lose their ults if their target is killed before their ult hits, atleast not fully. I believe if grim is still in the process of casting his ultimate (in animation) and the target dies his ult doesnt actually go on CD, I could be wrong about this, but i believe thats how it worked. Belica when her ult was a lockon was the same way, if you casted her lockon ult and the target died before your ult hit, the ultimate would not go on cd

your just asking for consistency for morigesh i can respect it

i will say that i think anyone who gets cancelled in their ultimate by a cc of some sort should lose that ultimate cd.

If their ultimate is a targeted ability and its still in the animation and the target dies, this could be refunded bc the ult never actually went off this would be like hitting your cancel ability button.

If the ultimate is a target ability and has a projectile so its launched, and the animation has ended and projectile is launched and the target dies before the animation hits, this should also take the cool down IMO. You launched the ability it just didnt hit. There are many reasons why it might not have hit.

[royal vortex]

Guys i want a full cd refund if i miss my murdock ult, it's only fair

[cyan dove]

when murdoc ult misses the animation goes completely through

this is different

the animation for morigesh ult technically has not finished so its getting cancelled in the animation when the target dies

just saying

[royal vortex]

I was just joking, sorry

[cyan dove]

i know but im just saying, it would be like going down on one knee and getting hit by a stun and murdoc ult going on cd

i get where he is coming from

[left seal]

stop holding your ult to snipe kills. Doing full ult dmg to aid in an assist is great value as well. Also, you'll be more likely to get your dmg out before the target dies if you use it in this way

Also, there are other creative ways to use the ultimate such as stopping backs/resets. Messing up the enemy laner's tempo creates a lot of value when done at the right time during the early game or just before objectives

[verbal lion]

I would be fine with this tbh. And I agree stunning someone out of an ult animation is simply out playing them. Take the CD.

[verbal lion]

That’s not always true and in most cases especially for a midlaner you’re fighting a 1v1, assisting a gank, or fending off a gank. Mori was widely considered the easiest gank that’s why the DEVs gave her more survive ability. But especially in this new meta casters are scaling heroes they have to hold the ult for the kill bc they aren’t doing the necessary damage and CDs are long before 3 items. But that’s taking things in the direction of other aspects of the game I’m simply asking for what CrazzyFool said: consistency

[verbal lion]

You’re completely right but the uses in other aspects also only benefit by fixing this one thing that shouldn’t be an issue to begin with

[cyan dove]

I mean I don’t really consider her a midlaner anymore

I think she is better offlane bc of her short range abilities and such

But yea there are some cool ways to play her like going and marking the adc even if you don’t get the kill you just sit in lane and clear minions communicate to your duo and jungle you have him marked if you duo all ins you ult to assist in the kill

It’s like a Murdoc ult but guaranteed damage

You can go mark someone then just communicate who you have marked and make that person a priority. Even if your not there help out

[left seal]

imo she never has been a midlaner. All the midlaners matchup against her very well. She can 1v1 most junglers and offlaners though

Ult should apply full stacks of pestilence, silly that you only get 1 stack from it

its very hard to get the dmg out within 3 seconds of landing another ability without getting interrupted

otherwise I don't have a problem with the ability getting cancelled. Since they made Feng Mao's ult cancelable I think they should continue with that logic

This means make aurora cancelable as well

[storm sable]

Also why does her ult get canceled or full CD when stunned yet Shinbis ult doesn’t and still goes off? I’ve been complaining about that recently as I play her more.

[idle yoke]

Channel vs One time Press

[storm sable]

Murd can get stunned out of his ult though?

[cyan dove]

we arent arguing cancelable

though

if the target dies while morgesh ult is being used should the ult be on full cd

belica ult when it was a lockon refunded the full ult

grim if the projectile does not leave grims body refunds the ult

morigesh it takes the ult

[solemn terrace]

As a rule, I think everything should go on cooldown the moment you attempt to cast it. But since omeda has this weird rule where skills don't go on cooldown unless they have provided you with some kind of value, then Morigesh's ult should also not go on cooldown for consistency.

[idle yoke]

Murdock is a channel

[pallid berry]

Morigesh is the most annoying mage so it's fine

[molten kiln]

She aint mistreated bro, did you see the new sick morigesh skin you're gonna be getting if u played 15 ranked games.

Put the skill on and grow some balls bro!

[storm sable]

Wait what!? Free skin?? Link pls

[molten kiln]

Rewatch the recent dev stream. They showcased a really cool skin

link: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2441540926

[storm sable]

Ooooooooh my god!! I’m def needing to do some more ranked! Idk how many I’ve done but #need lol

[umbral heath]

OP is just an average mori main….

[left seal]

True, but those ults don't go on cooldown when they are interrupted in the situations you're describing, correct? So there would still be a difference in the logic between their kits. That being said, if mori ult auto-cancelled with a full cd refund if the intended target dies before the damage applies that would be a nice buff