magic radish
backline aggression
Crest: consort into tranquility (sanctification is also a fair alternative)
Item 1: crystal tear
Item 2: galaxy greaves
Item 3: astral catalyst
Item 4: marshal/windcaller (alternatively use the soul binder to have infinitely scaling magic power)
Item 5: spellbreaker
Item 6: oblivion crown
Due to endless argument about the fact that I put orb in a build I use for phase I have changed the items to be more easy to recommend to people.
Purpose of each build
Build 1: ability spam to heal and use beam to pin enemies down, time your abilities in late game to get the maximum healing per second, by the late game your mana and mana regen are so high that you can spam without worry and if you time everything to 3 seconds you should be able to heal your ally to 100% in a matter of seconds with 110/s
Use tranquility for saving people from ganks or ults
Build 2: this build has not been refined and I only posted it after seeing yhat it reached 400 on her passive, i did not focus on healing that game and instead focused on killing but with 130+ /s you should be able to heal reliably while killing everything
The best stats I have achieved with build 1
knotty condor
not astral catalyst. definitely not. orb of growth even less, especially not after 3rd item. crytal tear first seems questionable as well. and oblivion crown... phase has neither the magic power nor the scalings to make proper use of that item.
try these:
galaxy greaves/marshal
megacosm/marshal/prophecy/galaxy greaves
lunaria/prophecy
infernum/lunaria
something. windcaller, tainted scepter/totem sound good. maybe other healing items depending on the game.
also, NEVER GO ANYTHING BUT SUPPORT CREST ON SUPPORT.
support crest is where support role gets its gold from. what replaces all that cs that supports must leave to the rest of the team to not put them behind. if you dont take support crest, your team as a whole will be missing a massive amount of gold by default (either its you or your teammates whose farm you stole), and youll almost certainly lose just from that.
you can go typhoon phase if youre not support (not that you shoul play phase in those roles, but if youre smurfing, gl). but NOT IN SUPPORT ROLE. in support role, you MUST pick consort or guardian crest.
furthermore, the other crests stack mainly from killing minions (except for titan crest, to some extent). so unless youre being a bad support and stealing the wave, youll have a hard time evolving your crest.
knotty condor
The moment I see lunaria I lose interest in what is being said
why though it fits perfectly with your idea. converting damage into healing.
magic radish
Post your omeda name so people can check your phase stats
knotty condor
i dont even play phase
knotty condor
lol
why
any problem with the advice?
you think its wrong?
tell me
i dont need to play phase to be aware that certain things just dont make sense
e.g. i know that astral catalyst is considered so horrible you dont build it even on mages
magic radish
Delete your comment, you don't play the character meaning you don't know how they play
You should not be telling people how to build a character you don't play
knotty condor
i can cuz the build just doesnt make sense
especially the second one without support crest. thats downright reportable
steep niche
hey op can u drop ur omeda
ocean cargo
Go ahead and delete this my boy
frosty hound
💀
im ngl 20k healing and 100 ps objectively is very average and borderline subpar even by those numbers
vague hollow
Me personally, I’m dodging
steep niche
i actually think the build is great
frosty hound
the orb of growth third is truly the icing on the cake
going any stacking items on any support is literally trolling
lean stone
Yo bro, tbh, I'd keep this low key
vague hollow
This fan fiction right?
steep niche
why yall hatin OP would probably bake half of yall
magic radish
Try it once 👍
strong glade
im just here so i don't get fined
knotty condor
the orb of growth third is truly the icing on the cake
nah u cant just say this. not without dropping your omeda, its not true otherwise
also they go orb fourth item. not third. fourth.
knotty condor
going any stacking items on any support is literally trolling
right i missed that, how r they even gonna stack it? they gonna steal the waves for the next 10 minutes?
seems op might not know how to play support...
clear scaffold
Instead of "orb is bad" how about "why'd you pick orb?" Get the reason first then it's much easier to say why it's problematic.
The rest of the build seems fine. Phase healing depends on magic pwr so itemizing into that can be beneficial and has a secondary effect of making abilities hit harder. Astral is good only if you follow a carry that actually gets kills so you can spam brrrr ult on towers and objectives. I recommend it for her because of her ult utility.
I mean, I prefer a mobility build on her to increase ttk but if OP plays safe this can do a lot of healing...
magic radish
Orb is used because of the build being made to spam abilities, smart players hard target the support and you tend to end up being burned away so 3% health back each ability helps out
magic radish
or do you need last hit
You need the last hit but if your carry returns to base or if you defend the lane solo because someone died then yoy have a few kills
clear scaffold
im ngl 20k healing and 100 ps objectively is very average and borderline subpar ...
20k healing on a Phase is good. Sure zinx and narb will offer better numbers tho
frosty hound
nah u cant just say this. not without dropping your omeda, its not true otherwis...
but i objectively can state that with 100% certainty of its correctness
orb of growth is a stacking item
supports wont be stacking
phase doesnt scale aggressively with magical power and flat stats doesnt justify purchasing an items
an item
magic radish
20k healing on a Phase is good. Sure zinx and narb will offer better numbers tho
20k is the average, it's going to be closer to 30k when I play more often
frosty hound
literally megacosm would be better on phase than orb of growth
its objectively true especially third bro bro
magic radish
The most I've achieved is 68k
I don't build her for damage
I build her for healing
frosty hound
orb of growth is hardly increasing your healing
winter oyster
Purpose of each build
Build 1: ability spam to heal and use beam to pin enemies...
Im only seeing the one build in the first paragraph unless im missing something
frosty hound
and again
magic radish
And 137 magical power from 1 item when you are in late game is very helpful when that item heals you each time you use an ability since you will be using them every 3 seconds
frosty hound
raw stats isnt enough justification to build an item
frosty hound
And 137 magical power from 1 item when you are in late game is very helpful when...
thats when its full stacked
you shouldnt be taking a stacking item third ever
flat out
blanket statement
so thats no no number 1
and no no number 2
is you shouldnt be stealing and stacking minions as support
youre actively handicapping yourself and duo
magic radish
Im only seeing the one build in the first paragraph unless im missing something
I deleted the other because everyone was acting like a goofy build I used once in standard
magic radish
is you shouldnt be stealing and stacking minions as support
How often do you back to the base as carry
Do you stay there all game or do you go buy items
frosty hound
How often do you back to the base as carry
at the standard rate pretty much once every few waves after trading
magic radish
Do you die as carry
frosty hound
even when you bac
magic radish
Ok then
frosty hound
you shouldnt steal minions
magic radish
So support shouldny be killing minions when they're defending a tower alone?
Is that what you're saying
frosty hound
So support shouldny be killing minions when they're defending a tower alone?
thats a very specific scenario
that situation wont happen enough for you to stack 500 minions from it
so try again
silly
magic radish
A very specific scenario tbT happens multiple times a natch
frosty hound
not enough for 500 stacks regardless
and even so your ccarry will be defending with you
magic radish
The point of the item isn't the stacking
magic radish
You get the item for extra healing in this build
frosty hound
and raw stats isnt worth building an item
you get more healing with literally anyu other healing item
magic radish
Play the build then we can talk
frosty hound
i dont need to play with the build
magic radish
Cool
frosty hound
numbers expirience and logic are all that are needed to go against building a stacking item third as a phase support
magic radish
Thank you for your input that ignores the other phase players statement
frosty hound
yes it does
and that is also fine
it just means im correct against 2 people instead of 1
magic radish
I assume you also think that support should be tied to the hip of the carry all game?
frosty hound
no supports should roam constantly
unless ur phase
you stay more attached to carry
its her playstyle
clear scaffold
you get more healing with literally anyu other healing item
Not necessarily... 3% missing health compared to a 10% boost to healing rate... this is an empirical query answered by maths. Sufficient ability haste could make the former a great sustain item late game. That being said... I'm not convinced on the orb either but I can at least acknowledge the reasoning.
frosty hound
Not necessarily... 3% missing health compared to a 10% boost to healing rate... ...
alot of words doesnt make your argument sufficient
clear scaffold
you stay more attached to carry
I'm sorry... I'll down grade the reading level for you...
It's not clear which gives better healing, have a mathy person figure it out.
frosty hound
its pretty clear compared to healing items
knotty condor
I don't build her for damage
lmao
theres this stat "heal and shield power" for that
knotty condor
I'm sorry... I'll down grade the reading level for you...
It's not clear which...
3% missing health... sadly, phase doesnt have a lot of health, and its not even max health
ill say confidently any of those 10% heal and shield power items do better
plus theyre cheaper and everything
clear scaffold
its pretty clear compared to healing items
You say "items" but this is a one on one comparison. Her passive gets better healing from mag pwr than heal and shield stat
clear scaffold
plus theyre cheaper and everything
This is completely valid
knotty condor
You say "items" but this is a one on one comparison. Her passive gets better hea...
not sure if youre aware, but afaik this heal and shield stat amplifies healing and shielding
correct me if im wrong
but that should be the point of it
also orb only heals phase herself, but shes supposed to heal her allies
clear scaffold
Her passive states it doesn't stack:
After casting an ability, restores 15/21/27/33/39/45/51/57/63/69/75/81/87/93/99/105/111/117 (+35%) health over 3s. Linked allies receive the same healing. This effect does not stack.
knotty condor
if you want a healing tank, play rampage or sev
frosty hound
if you want a healing tank, play rampage or sev
it isnt even tank its literally just buying an item for its stats
when there are designated healing items
knotty condor
it isnt even tank its literally just buying an item for its stats
i thought theyre buying it for the 3% missing health healing?
frosty hound
everbloom lunaria and void conduit themselves still heal more than orb at any point of the game
phase scaling doenst justify stacking power and oncce against going a stacking item third as a support is simply silly and trolling
knotty condor
phase scaling doenst justify stacking power and oncce against going a stacking i...
fourth, its fourth
knotty condor
they only go it third against aggressive opponents
knotty condor
so that they can have less immediate power against those
magic radish
I'd love to hear from people who don't have to be forced to play support 👍
Preferably people that are interested in discussing the build rather than opening with insults when they don't play the character lol
knotty condor
i still havent heard a reason why you consider it a good idea to build orb of growth 4th item on phase support. it has been explained to you in great detail, why it is bad. you claimed its for that 3% missing health healing, but, as i reiterate, its only 3% missing health, and phase doesnt have much health to begin with. any of the actual healing would very likely outperform this. the game has ability spamming champions with great demand for health and magic power (iggy and shinbi), who are a great fit for this item, and even for them its not considered BiS to build orb of growth. first, not fourth, mind you.
as for astral catalyst, as explained before, even for mages for whom it is more appropriate, the item is not considered worthwhile to build. even against enemy team comps with a lot of shielding. on phase specifically, her ultimate lasts quite long, and by the time you would regain it the fight would be over, whereas another teamfight would hardly happen before her ultimate would come back up even without astral catalyst. thus, the item brings barely any value.
finally, oblivion crown. as stated intially, phase magic power scalings just arent high enough to justify investing a lot of money into expensive mage items, safe for maybe megacosm. they are notably more expensive than support items, not to mention oblivion crown, costing almost a thousand gold more than support items.
clear scaffold
as for astral catalyst, as explained before, even for mages for whom it is more ...
team fight and then objective/tower/inhib... being able to ult right after is worth it... BUT you need your team to be getting kills to proc it.
it is situational
knotty condor
team fight and then objective/tower/inhib... being able to ult right after is wo...
for that you can build marshal prophecy
better results
and more consistent
also helps with the teamfight in the first place
clear scaffold
I do get marshal in my build but proph is kind of meh
I would still do astral as 4-6 item
knotty condor
i mean, prophecy is THE item for taking down towers
clear scaffold
for other heroes
knotty condor
also to get enough refund on the ultimate you kinda need to mostly wipe the enemy. and at that point you dont rly have the rush to need to ult for the objective
clear scaffold
unless you are going adc build proph is not good for phase
and you should not go adc build lol
knotty condor
better than catalyst
far better
yeah its a portion of adc build, but due to her r thats still somewhat good for her. catalyst just does nothing for her
im not saying its good im just saying if you wanna have a mage item for such purposes, that mage item is prophecy
not catalyst
clear scaffold
20 ability haste, great for healing proc; mana boost; better mag pwer and cheaper... astral just has more utility with proph being so focused on mage duelists.
Phase is a utility mage, you need to build around getting utility than focusing on damage items because everyone is going to out damage her
Regardless, this build seems to work in practice as a healer. The OP's average healing each match outpaces Cloudie's (arguably the best Phase player) average with her (13k). Whether huge healing translates to wins is another story and we'd need wr statistics from OP.
I'm not convinced that Phase should be spec'd as a pure healer but @magic radish already knows that from me.
magic radish
Giving your adc 105% attack speed and 35% movement speed or Giving your mages 80 ability haste every 20 seconds is very useful
alpine umbra
Lol is that ORB OF GROWTH THIRD OR FOURTH IM SEEING?
Please, someone tell me this has been updated and there is a 2.0 somewhere in the thread 😂
frosty hound
Preferably people that are interested in discussing the build rather than openin...
koreok already spoke to you
so you have expirienced high skill players and support mains all saying the same thing
frosty hound
Lol is that ORB OF GROWTH THIRD OR FOURTH IM SEEING?
yes
vague hollow
so you have expirienced high skill players and support mains all saying the same...
As a duo lane main, I’d recycle this build
magic radish
koreok already spoke to you
They gave me their opinion and they were not interested in testing the build, I respected their decision and there was never any hint of rude behavior between us
So yes I'm happy I spoke with someone who's opinion mattered
alpine umbra
yes
Yeah, that’s crazy talk. I don’t wanna hear anyone ever complain about my building ever again
frosty hound
Yeah, that’s crazy talk. I don’t wanna hear anyone ever complain about my buildi...
fr i think this takes the cake
slender scroll
literally just replace orb and its fine
magic radish
Tell you what, send a screenshot of a match end screen where you try the build and I'll change it to megachosm or whatever stupid thing people said
If you're so much better than me then try the build and prove it's bad
And I'll change it
Since no one wants to acknowledge that 3% on top of 110 hp per second while the support is being targeted is actually a helpful way to mitigate the damage
frosty hound
If you're so much better than me then try the build and prove it's bad
It’s not about being better
It’s literally just about the item and scaling and numbers
Builds aren’t subjective
The way you customize them sure
frosty hound
But some things are kinda objectively just right and wrong
magic radish
Show me it's bad by playing it
I'm done with humoring people that don't even try the build out before using it
If I don't see a screenshot where someone used the build before they give their opinions then im not acknowledging them because yall can't even acknowledge the purpose of the items
Yall probably don't even play phase or think she's a bad character
I'm going HAVE FUN with my build in a game I like
Yall can go circle jerk your hate somewhere else until I see that you've actually tested it
slender scroll
😵😵😵
alpine umbra
Yall probably don't even play phase or think she's a bad character
I can’t front. I don’t play her much AND I think she’s a bad character BUT all that can be true AND you can still be wrong about the value of Orb of Growth on PHASE SUPPORT AS THIRD OR FOURTH item. When will you even evolve it?
Stop being defensive lol. You’re allowed to play with whatever you want but holding some kind of ideological high ground about a build/opinion you freely posted and are getting feedback on is a little weird
It’s definitely bad
But it could also be a fun item though I don’t think phase can use it as well as some other heroes
knotty condor
Regardless, this build seems to work in practice as a healer. The OP's average h...
ever looked at healing per minute? id pretty confidently say that op just plays far longer games than this top phase, cuz they probably know how to stomp lane and consistently end in like 20 minutes
also op's opponents are most certainly far worse than the elo cloudie plays and dont know how to punish such nonsense
knotty condor
Show me it's bad by playing it
why? why would anyone here be obligated to play your build to prove to you that its bad? ppl are being kind and giving you feedback about it, what you do with it is your thing
also such a thing is hardly possible. howd u think thatd work out? anyone posts you bad stats with it ur just gonna say "you dont know how to play phase"
magic radish
Kind?
YOU THINK THIS IS KINDNESS? XD
MOCKING PEOPLE AND BELITTLING THE WAY THEY PLAY?
ACTING LIKE THEY DONT HAVE A RIGHT TO POST A BUILD WITHOUT PEOPLE TREATING IT LIKE ITS A JOKE?
YOU CALL THAT KINDNESS? XD
Bro if that's how you people treat the ones you are being nice to then just get out because good god
Mocking people the moment you enter is not "kind"
Bizy grain drizzy nate
How is any of that kindness
How is any of that feedback
I'm supposed to listen to grain after he stars WITH MOCKERY? XD
Gtfo
Why should anyone listen to anyone who started the discussion by mocking them
You were mostly polite in your comments and when I realized you don't play phase I asked you to not comment further because you aren't the target of this post but then you just kept going further on mocking the build with the others
So how about you stop acting like anyone here who gave feedback was actually doing so with the goal of helping?
knotty condor
You were mostly polite in your comments and when I realized you don't play phase...
im not mocking anything. im giving objective and well-founded feedback on your build, trying to explain to you what you can improve. it is you who keeps understanding this as a personal attack, rather than considering the feedback and having a constructive discussion.
on that note, i havent seen a single actual argument from you, beyond saying youd be building orb for that 3% missing health healing passive
anyways, hope you at least managed to understand that whatever you do, you need to take support crest when playing support.
magic radish
anyways, hope you at least managed to understand that whatever you do, you need ...
I will respond to this at least by clarifying that the second build was a ONE TIME thing I did out of boredom in a standard match
In the original post I even pointed this out and the fact that I cared so little about the build from such a random match should be enough to show that using typhoon on phase is not something I take seriously
Now if you really want me to defend why I use orb? Fine then I'll defend it.
I use the orb because I constantly get put into games where the entire enemy team targets me the moment they see me because I'm the support and since I'm squishy as phase they think it's an easy kill so I have started to take precautions in my build to ensure that she is able to survive against these group fights while I run for my life
I COULD use tank items but on a squishy healer the extra health and defenses don't do as much as they would on a real tank and since I don't actually push for damage on this build I can just take the orb because I spam my abilities
Yall keep talking about the orb as if I am trying to build into the evolved item but I focus on keeping myself alive rather than Killing minions
I'm also not braindead enough to forget that while the carry is fighting against the enemy and I'm using lance to try to root them to the ground there is a high chance the troops will end up being last hit by it because not every carry will wait until the troops are dead to fight the enemy
If I wanted to go for maximum magical power I would be using the book that grants permanent magical power stacks since her beam has enough range to activate it
Since phase has low defense scaling I don't bother with it because the goal of this build is to let the carry be as aggressive as they wish because they can get the extra chunk damage of my lance while having so much healing that most of the time they will survive a fight without any issues
frosty hound
If you think 20k healing and 100 ps with the build is good just wait till you sub out a few items and reorganize and boom you’ll hit 30 or 40k healing!!!!
knotty condor
for additional survivability items beyond galaxy greaves, spellbreaker seems like a good option - you already build it, but only as the final item. perhaps build it earlier, especially against a lot of hard cc that would otherwise break the link. other than that, id suggest windcaller. it has heal and shield power so it'll provide healing better than orb of growth. your linked ally will benefit too and you get speedboosts to disengage enemy melees. other than that, with decent positioning and the ability to pull a frontliner to you to peel for you, i dont think survivability should still be an issue.
frosty hound
Windcaller evernloom and lunaria should all be snorted if you want to simply enchant or heal
Also not having tainted is wild
Just some tips to be more efficient
clear scaffold
If you think 20k healing and 100 ps with the build is good just wait till you su...
I have tested and logged various builds over 600 games. Mag pwr healing scales better than healing items on Phase. The problem is gold economy.
windcaller and everbloom don't have ability haste which is a necessity on Phase
lunaria I've realized is just a bad item on Phase after testing (thanks to the first iteration of @magic radish's build getting me to test it). I think the prevailing build for her isn't optimal.
knotty condor
well what about economy? support items cost less than 80% as much as most mage items. is heal and shield power still better considering that? and even with mage items, there are better and worse choices. good choices including megacosm and spellbreaker. bad choices including orb of growth, oblivion crown etc
tainted scepter too. or totem. not having tainted as a support well fit for good tainted items like scepter and totem is kinda criminal.
clear scaffold
yes, the gold economy is the issue
which I said
but the raw healing is a matter of empirical fact
knotty condor
yeah but it means its still better to first build mostly support items and replace them with mage items, should the game last that long. which it hardly will.
as for the option of taking wave after the carry has recalled, assuming they have good wave management and pushed the wave out, thats still a theft and griefs them
clear scaffold
first 2 items in the OP build are support and that covers the majority of the game most of the time
knotty condor
if they dont usually push out wave, its probably too low elo serve for good statements about whether builds are good
knotty condor
first 2 items in the OP build are support and that covers the majority of the ga...
after that its grouping and teamfighting for support
youre neither offlane nor carry to justifiably farm a sidelane while the team is grouping
clear scaffold
There are wave management considerations but if one understands when its okay to take cs and when its not then that should be fine.
knotty condor
so youll have even less gold
knotty condor
There are wave management considerations but if one understands when its okay to...
the only cs you get is the one your carry failed to take
except if some solo laner died
clear scaffold
you're suggesting that there are never free waves that can be taken? That is just false.... no one can farm perfectly enough to make that the case
knotty condor
you're suggesting that there are never free waves that can be taken? That is jus...
if there are, it is because the team is grouping mid or sth and hasnt pushed a sidelane out
in which case it is firstly the teams fault to not have pushed that sidelane
and secondly not your job with phase support to push it
im not saying there arent free waves. im saying there arent free waves for phase support
clear scaffold
I do agree that the cs drain is problematic in this build but to say that you can never get cs as a support is an overgeneralization
knotty condor
not as support
clear scaffold
even as phase
knotty condor
some supports, like aurora or steel etc
you can play a little splitpush
but not phase
phase youre always attached to someone
or should be
or shoul be on the way to someone to attach to
and that someone is more entitled to farm the wave
clear scaffold
I have effectively split push as Phase because of mobility build but conditions have to be right for it
knotty condor
whoever they are, everyone has higher priority for farm than phase support
clear scaffold
priority yes but only if they take that priority
knotty condor
priority yes but only if they take that priority
well the original assumption was that the team posesses decent wave management etc
clear scaffold
decent doesn't mean perfect lol
knotty condor
but it does mean knowing to take a wave that is in front of them
clear scaffold
I do disagree with the orb part of this build but I would need to think about what to replace it with. 65 mag pwr cuts into higher healing potential much the same way as support heal items
knotty condor
I do disagree with the orb part of this build but I would need to think about wh...
earlier spellbreaker at the very least
at least where spellbreaker is viable and doesnt just get popped by bellica drone or sth
clear scaffold
scepter is better to keep the heal scaling up
knotty condor
maybe marshal galaxy tainted scepter dawnstar spellbreaker megacosm
as a somewhat basic attack focused build
not sure about the order of the latter ones. also not sure about dawnstar, just thought about it. a 10% reduction to targets damage doesnt soun bad no?
clear scaffold
The other issue is Oblivion... not sure the mag pwr at the expense of ability haste is worth it.
no to dawnstar lol
I prefer my Phase to have 70-80 ability hast
knotty condor
The other issue is Oblivion... not sure the mag pwr at the expense of ability ha...
definitely no oblivion. you cant afford a 3.4k gold item with phase support.
certain worthwhile mage items, yes. oblivion, no.
clear scaffold
timewarp or noxia give haste and mag pwr
knotty condor
timewarp or noxia give haste and mag pwr
noxia? you have only one way to proc it, hitting them with both blind and lance
doesnt seem consistently feasible
clear scaffold
the chime on timewarp won't proc enough to be worth it
tether your melee peeps
flare and root is easy to land in team fights
I'm switching between allies all the time in team fights
knotty condor
tether your melee peeps
i mean, with sth like countess phase duo, absolutely
clear scaffold
Grux, crunch, etc are good for it too
knotty condor
but with usual carries, tethering a melee denies your carry the benefit of your r
clear scaffold
sometime your r is better for grux to do his gruxing
Phase is a team manager not a carry simp if you are using her right
But I def don't recommend that for someone not use to playing her. Novice to intermediate Phase players should definitely stay with the carry.
This is my recommended revision @magic radish if you want to try it. Still keep the heal scaling up (a little reduced) but offers some better ability haste to proc the healing passive more often.
frosty hound
This is my recommended revision <@735486183517323344> if you want to try it. Sti...
this is much more viable than the main build in the post
knotty condor
Phase is a team manager not a carry simp if you are using her right
yeah but assuming that the assuming that the grux is not significantly more fed than the carry, the carry benefits more
knotty condor
This is my recommended revision <@735486183517323344> if you want to try it. Sti...
i still think you should swap the crystal tear out for marshal. crystal tear is great for phase herself, but for an item like this, the focus should be on benefitting the carry, even more than benefitting phase herself. and its not like marshal is bad for phase. especially for the laning phase where first item is important.
also megacosm instead of catalyst
clear scaffold
Actually, do astral as 3rd to boost ability haste to 40 (plus crystal tear passive). Then do scepter (get spiked early on against healing in lane).
crystal tear is better in this context but generally marshal is better for most builds
knotty condor
Actually, do astral as 3rd to boost ability haste to 40 (plus crystal tear passi...
please no astral. megacosm gives ability haste too. and a lot of consistent damage. easily doubles lance damage
clear scaffold
I have astral as an option in my own build, it is just better than mega since the goal isn't damage with her. She's not a typical mage
knotty condor
I have astral as an option in my own build, it is just better than mega since th...
damage is better than no damage, no?
clear scaffold
I think the utility outweighs the minimal increase in dmg
you'd get more out of gaia greaves with the bonus to your auto than you would on lance with mega but that's getting into my mobility build and not relevant to this one
astral has 15 mag pwr more, 10 ability haste more, and it gives a second ult when your team kills one or two... it has better utility than the dmg bonus of mega
plus if there is shield enemies it helps with that
mega is made to counter bonus hp builds with star killer... phase should not be targeting tanks, it makes no sense
knotty condor
you'd get more out of gaia greaves with the bonus to your auto than you would on...
no, kinda? also, still, prophecy is also an option
knotty condor
astral has 15 mag pwr more, 10 ability haste more, and it gives a second ult whe...
one or two is only 40% off. which means neither for a prolonged fight nor for an immediately following objective would it be available
clear scaffold
one or two is only 40% off. which means neither for a prolonged fight nor for an...
Assuming level two on R, 100 sec cooldown to 60 sec is quite a difference. However, we also have at least 40 ability haste too so that number comes down even more (30% reduction). Depending on how those reductions proc, you probably have a 42 CD on a high utility ult if not less. Thinking about the time between ulting, getting two kills, then getting to objective. You'll probably either get your R towards the middle/end of the objective where you can use it to either defend or hasten the taking of it. Also after an objective fight it takes about 40 sec to fight your way up to the inhibitor where you can ult on that.
At level 16 you have an ult in less than 30 sec with two kills... Astral is just a high utility item on her
knotty condor
Assuming level two on R, 100 sec cooldown to 60 sec is quite a difference. Howev...
astral reduces the actual cooldown
afaik
i still think that its a suboptimal choice but whatever
clear scaffold
100x0.70=70 (ability haste); 70x0.6=42 (astral)
knotty condor
this is what the wiki says:
Full Release V1.1.2
Ability Haste increased from 15 to 20.Open Beta V0.18
Gained a new Anti-Shield Passive. Cost: 2950 80 Magical Power 250 Mana 15 Ability Haste Recipe: Dusk Stave + Chronomatic Wand Ravenous - On Takedown, reduce your Current Ultimate Cooldown by 20%. Event Horizon - Deal 30% bonus damage to Shielded Targets. This damage cannot exceed the size of the Shield.
from this id guess that perhaps its not even 20% of the full ultimat cooldown but rather 20% of whats left
clear scaffold
yeah current which is still fine
knotty condor
which would greatly diminish the effectiveness of more than 1 kill
clear scaffold
I imagine people die pretty quick after the first ult if the carry is any good.
knotty condor
ig its fine for snowballing, to be able to press r and run sb down more often
but thats all there is to it
dont think its good in general, only with good snowballing
clear scaffold
dont think its good in general, only with good snowballing
yes, it relies on your team
knotty condor
thats the sad thing about phase, everything relies on team
which makes her a horrible solo q champ
clear scaffold
I do alright at a 53% wr over 600+ games... I got there mostly solo q (about 2/3 of the games).
I actually seem to do worse q'ing up with friends lol
ok, so? Cloudie is in the 60% range as the highest elo phase.... Also Phase has one of the highest wr at paragon level last I checked (since 1.3)
knotty condor
fair point. high elo thing though. more consistent teams.
either way off topic, what to build when astral catalyst is bad
clear scaffold
lol
magic radish
Not the most perfect match because the team wasn't exactly playing well (I think riktor wanted to report yin and Gideon mid match) but it displays the build well enough
Constant healing and when the allies are actually able to kill anything
Ultimate spam
magic radish
Windcaller evernloom and lunaria should all be snorted if you want to simply enc...
Here's a screenshot of your friends opinion on luna with phase
They use it sometimes
BUT
Their opinion of the build is more valuable than yours I'm sorry to say
clear scaffold
https://youtu.be/vbH6WeAqU1c?si=f7VHi6s5-PNO35Xg
oofta... you need some macro work. Mechanically you seem to be good though.
knotty condor
https://youtu.be/vbH6WeAqU1c?si=f7VHi6s5-PNO35Xg
first thing, 0:40, why are you taking the wave rather than pulling it for the rev? youre support, you should aim to preserve minions for your carry as much as possible, rather than taking them yourself
then additionally theres the general issue of the enemy team comp being hard troll - the kira offlane is one thing, but skylar jungle is just bull. provides your team with a default jungle gap and easy teamfights since enemy team lacks any frontline as well as anything that could properly pick on your backline. honestly, a game like this you could probably build pretty much anything and make it look good. even tank phase would probably perform decently.
magic radish
then additionally theres the general issue of the enemy team comp being hard tro...
Watch the full video because Skylar ends up being a pain in the necj
static turret
first thing, 0:40, why are you taking the wave rather than pulling it for the re...
put it simply don't grief carry's farm
magic radish
oofta... you need some macro work. Mechanically you seem to be good though.
Macro?
clear scaffold
decision to go teleport or taking advantage of 3 dead enemies instead of backing
magic radish
Ah
I did acknowledge that it's not the perfect match to show how the build performs
But against so many dps characters the ability to pin the squishies down and keep my allies alive helped out
And if he watches to the end magical will finally see why astral is uzed
Used*
knotty condor
Watch the full video because Skylar ends up being a pain in the necj
yeah skylar can always be. end of the day, a yin should naturally outperform her though. though im not sure about this one. just got to the point where drongo runs through both of you at half hp. not sure who is worse, him for doing that or rev for failing to kill him.
magic radish
Removing 10 seconds from a cooldown almost the moment you use it is quite helpful
I may post the match I just had
Because it's much better
Someone even asks me what my haste is during it lmao
clear scaffold
I have looked at your match history a bit and you have a tendency to steal cs from carry.... from the recs you seem to bully your carry a bit
to be fair, at our elo bullying is sometimes necessary lol
magic radish
They're Randoms and I want to actually win so forcing them to get kills rather than being passive is kinda neexed
knotty condor
4:37, couldve went through the jungle. youd probably die to skylar anyways though. in the end of the day, giving the kill to zinx might be better
magic radish
Yall saw how Rev was playing
He was fine enough don't get me wrong
But I've played with revs that were significantly better
And then you get games like the one I'm currently uploading where the jungler is so fucking bad that I managed to get as many kills as him
A khaimera getting the same kill count as phase is wild
static turret
A khaimera getting the same kill count as phase is wild
I've had that happen to me
magic radish
And for some reason people kept moving like they were trying to follow me instead of leading the way
knotty condor
also, when youre full hp it could be a good idea to block argus ult for your low hp ally
knotty condor
Yall saw how Rev was playing
i mean hes kinda better than drongo so...
magic radish
The number of times I would turn to go in the direction of my tethered ally and then see them turn to the direction I had just been going was getting on my nerves
magic radish
i mean hes kinda better than drongo so...
Oh he was
But I never had him around during team fights
In this recent match I decided to try out the scepter someone mentioned and I honestly didn't like how slowly my hp would regen
I didn't use orb and instead used the book, I still got to 300 passive but the slow regen got on my nerves during the fights
oh and if yall think I was bullying my allies in the last match then this one will make it clear that I was forcing them to get kills
knotty condor
7:46, youre taking wave instead of recalling, buying a t2 and afterwards rotating to the teamfight.
magic radish
7:46, youre taking wave instead of recalling, buying a t2 and afterwards rotatin...
Recalling constantly to buy items rather than waiting for my full item made me notice that my carry gets ganked to often
static turret
Recalling constantly to buy items rather than waiting for my full item made me n...
sign of no awareness
he should back with you
knotty condor
also you and 3 allies end up dying for those couple of plates. really not worth. enemy team can get tower or fang from that.
magic radish
sign of no awareness
And when playing with Randoms because this server shut off the ability to join vc through consoles which means I can't team up easily here, you kinda gotta acknowledge that you will probably be playing with people that are not in the proper mmr due to allies
knotty condor
Recalling constantly to buy items rather than waiting for my full item made me n...
there was no good reason to stay in that case. the confrontation for fang is kinda premediated, so you should play around it by backing in advance so you can rotate with maximum strength and full resources
knotty condor
you furthermore overextended by pushing tower while you enemy team came up behind you on vision.
magic radish
So ignoring how I play
The build DOES work
After tons of matches I get burnt out, I'm still only gold after all so I clearly have more to learn when playing lmao
Sadly my rank is probably not good enough to make up for the 603 hrs playing
static turret
the build doesn't always determine your performance it's also how you play the game
magic radish
the build doesn't always determine your performance it's also how you play the g...
The video was to show the performance of the build
And the post is about the build
knotty condor
My mmr is extremely low because I get people who openly quit or troll
everybody does. also
1st this is off-topic here
2nd these videos of yours will probably be seen as calling out, which is not allowed in this server. use ingame report.
finally. you wanna climb in low elo, dont play support. especially not phase. to climb you need to be able to consistently carry, even with a bad team. phase is about the most teamdependent champion in the game. her entire kit is made to support the carry and other teammates, and in low elo those are frequently so bad that no amount of buffs from ally phase are gonna help
static turret
The video was to show the performance of the build
to be frank I ignored the build
magic radish
I play to get better but the video was posted so that people who refused to try the build out could see that there are reasons the build works for me
magic radish
everybody does. also
1st this is off-topic here
2nd these videos of yours will p...
I'm not good at carry so I don't try to throw the match by playing carry
I'm only really good at offlane and jungle
magic radish
everybody does. also
1st this is off-topic here
2nd these videos of yours will p...
If they view it as calling out then I could care less, they were reported in game and if they are still playing then I have video evidence that they openly grief games
I sent that here to show yall that I end up in games with griefers
So my ability to play is often ruined
600 hours and my performance is barely above silver so I made a build that will help my limitations as well as allowing me to force carries to do well
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My assist average is 9 and my highest is 27 out of 200+ games on phase
It helps
Death's, average 4, highest 13
knotty condor
alr 21:00 or so is a benefit from astral. however, i would argue the play of pushing tower 2v2 that led to it is not good in the first place. it turned out well, but you also mightve died and gotten nothing. taking the free fang and grouping mid or recalling would be more consistent
magic radish
What the heck is kdar
magic radish
alr 21:00 or so is a benefit from astral. however, i would argue the play of pus...
Maybe I do that because the build consistently gives those moments the victory
static turret
What the heck is kdar
kills death assists
magic radish
kills death assists
Oh then idk if this is a good one
2.2 average 28 best
static turret
Oh then idk if this is a good one
2.2 average 28 best
as a support average
magic radish
I don't care about my kda I care about getting the win for the team
knotty condor
Maybe I do that because the build consistently gives those moments the victory
nah id argue its just the enemies being rather bad
magic radish
It just so happens that on average I end up with a lot of assists because my build is designed to make a carry do better
knotty condor
It just so happens that on average I end up with a lot of assists because my bui...
should be. id even say high kills on a support are highly questionable
every kill you have is one that your carry has not
and you want the kill gold on the carry, not yourself
magic radish
And obviously since I don't build for damage I'm not going for kills
Despite how many times yall have tried to get me to use meg
Mega*
static turret
And obviously since I don't build for damage I'm not going for kills
you built oblivion crown what are you talking about
magic radish
It's more of a "Oh my flare does 700 damage and that squishy in the team fight was about to die ai the blind killed them"
magic radish
you built oblivion crown what are you talking about
More magical power more healing 👍
magic radish
640 magical power to heal an ally for 110 hp per second is quite helpful
That is objectively how it works
Her healing passive scales on magic power
The more power you have the higher her healing is
static turret
you should build more heal and shield power items
magic radish
Magical mentioned that but then someone also brought up the fact that those may not stack with her healing
knotty condor
It just so happens that on average I end up with a lot of assists because my bui...
actually not. you got one kill, but on your side yin died too so its an even trade. you dont get the tower and get chased by argus and zinx who expectably rotated. might die, if you die its a win for the enemy team. in comparison, fang is free gold and exp as well as a permanent buff
magic radish
Hang on let me get the exact numbers
knotty condor
More magical power more healing 👍
arguably, but crown is too expensive for support.
its a big purchase even in mid. and youre a phase support.
24:00 why are you abandoning gideon mid to run to the offlane fight that is already over?
magic radish
Crystal tear +40 (+30 heal bonus)
Catalyst +80
Orb of growth +65
Spell breaker +76
Oblivion crown +110
At lv1 scaling with the full build and no farmed item the healing is 168 (after the 10% bonus from crystal)
Now let's take the items that have the most healing bonus from support
knotty condor
another point, revenant doesnt benefit from attack speed, so ulting him is not that good. yin would probably be a better link
magic radish
Four items give this bonus and the total is 40% extra healing
magic radish
another point, revenant doesnt benefit from attack speed, so ulting him is not t...
He benefits from ability haste bud
Read her abilities
He benefits from movement speed
clear scaffold
In this recent match I decided to try out the scepter someone mentioned and I ho...
I changed it up to be 4th instead of 3rd if that matters... Astral was a better for ability haste and mag scaling in 3rd slot.
knotty condor
also you dont seem to be placing any wards ever, not even for objectives like orb. its kinda important to do that to be able to turn on the enemy team if they contest. also generally to know where the enemies are, avoid ganks and ambush them in return.
magic radish
Luna 55
Everbloom 45
Windcaller 50
Crystal 40 (30 bonus from heal)
Spell breaker 75
Mega 65
(The items that everyone has basically been telling me to use)
magic radish
I changed it up to be 4th instead of 3rd if that matters... Astral was a better ...
What was the scaling that her passive gets again?
You posted it eatlier
magic radish
Nevermind I found it
Her passive states it doesn't stack:
After casting an ability, restores 15/21/27/33/39/45/51/57/63/69/75/81/87/93/99/105/111/117 (+35%) health over 3s. Linked allies receive the same healing. This effect does not stack.
clear scaffold
the orb only helps you but a high mag pwr itm with ability haste will help you and your tether
knotty condor
Luna 55
Everbloom 45
Windcaller 50
Crystal 40 (30 bonus from heal)
Spell breaker...
missing tainted
magic radish
missing tainted
Yall consistently point out that "healing bonus, healing bonus, if you are tying to heal you gotta use healing bonus"
clear scaffold
everbloom are windcaller horrible because no ability haste
knotty condor
anyways, good game. id say astral catalyst definitely helps, especially if your teamfights are more random and less organized.
knotty condor
everbloom are windcaller horrible because no ability haste
everbloom yes, windcaller id say is still decent for the speeboost
lets you just run away from melees without need for ult
clear scaffold
lets you just run away from melees without need for ult
in theory but you have to land abilities to get it and it doesn't last very long
static turret
what if phase obelisk and soulbinder just to stack power for mega healing?
clear scaffold
if you run her meme in midlane lol
the goal being a mega heal instead of burst mage in team fights
static turret
and then build heal and shield power items to also increase healing
knotty condor
in theory but you have to land abilities to get it and it doesn't last very long
nope no need to land abilities
just need to cast them with a linked ally
clear scaffold
Oh yea
knotty condor
also helps running ppl down for that matter
also on the regar of healing
ig you need both magic power and heal and shield power.
when you have low magic power, additional magic power greatly improves it because it greatly improves the part you gain from the scaling
so its a decent percentage of the total heal amount
clear scaffold
and then build heal and shield power items to also increase healing
Heal/shield bonus is less effective than phase passive scaling off of mag pwr
knotty condor
but when you have a lot of magic power, gaining more doesnt improve the healing by a high percentage, and the amplification from heal and shield power is better
magic radish
Now if her healing does in fact stack with the bonus healing then you would have to be using all four healing items to match the healing output of this build
static turret
Heal/shield bonus is less effective than phase passive scaling off of mag pwr
I meant for like pealing your team
knotty condor
Heal/shield bonus is less effective than phase passive scaling off of mag pwr
at low magic power. at high magic power it is more effective
just from math that is
dunno where the threshhold would be
too lazy to calculate it
knotty condor
Now if her healing does in fact stack with the bonus healing then you would have...
idk what you even mean by bonus healing
but yeah phase passive and orb are two separate effects
that being said orb healin is neglibible on phase
knotty condor
only you benefit from it. its only missing hp, and phase has disgustingly low hp. orb gives her slightly more, but even then
magic radish
only you benefit from it. its only missing hp, and phase has disgustingly low hp...
And my ability to survive and heal means the carry keeps getting healed
static turret
Orb healing stacks on top of it
you won't notice the healing from orb since it's missing 3% health over a few seconds so it's not worth it
knotty condor
orb is not the item for survival
there are spellbreaker and galaxy greaves for that
windcaller if you need more
clear scaffold
Self heal items don't stack on her passive
magic radish
there are spellbreaker and galaxy greaves for that
And I have both
And I also have extra healing on top of what I heal myself
knotty condor
what orb healing is meant for is for sustain in laning phase
thats where its notable, over an extended period of time
phase passive means she has no need for that
her passive lets her heal to full outside of combat anyways, orb or not
static turret
again you won't notice the healing from orb since it's missing 3% health over a few seconds so it's not worth it
magic radish
Yall are missing the point
3% +3% +3% it may be getting smaller as I heal but guess what? Each ability in the build where I spam abilities is giving me good healing
knotty condor
also your ultimate concern is not just staying alive yourself but also keeping your carry alive
for which you need healing that also benefits your ally
cuz if your ally dies you die too
magic radish
also your ultimate concern is not just staying alive yourself but also keeping y...
And if I die because I get targeted then they get no healing
magic radish
for which you need healing that also benefits your ally
Which is why the build maximizes healing
static turret
3% +3% +3% it may be getting smaller as I heal but guess what? Each ability in t...
missing health is means that you heal for only the health you lost
knotty condor
if it healed %max hp, yes, itd be good. (though that would be severely overpowered then)
static turret
you need to understand how max healing and missing healing works
magic radish
missing health is means that you heal for only the health you lost
I just said it gets reduced my guy
Either way orb is the item that gets swapped out when I need to adjust the build anywY
static turret
I just said it gets reduced my guy
not only that your healing over 3 second which means that you don't heal instantly you heal slowly 3%
magic radish
In cc heavy teams i trade it in for truesilver bracelet
Sadly it took the team way to long to end it
Yall can complain about how much I bully my allies or forget to ward things now
Trying to decide what would be a good permanent alternative to orb tbh, maybe void or wind caller since being so slow to get to objectives bugs me
clear scaffold
wraith leggings
magic radish
What?
clear scaffold
you lose ability haste though
but 95 mag pwr is awesome
and you get a spd boost
clear scaffold
lol
magic radish
The stats are ok but the passive itself just feels like it's not worth it
Rather take an item that boosts me further.than prioritizes damage
clear scaffold
Its spd and mag pwr is the only reason it would be viable
mag pen and 12% dmg boost are meh for a Phase
you could join the greave coalition and don some gaia like my build lol
timewarp would be a viable replacement
it just falls off in value late game
oooo golem's gift looks nice
boost armor instead of health still get 70 mag pwr
15 ability haste
the bonus 25 mag pwr if you're hanging back is sweet since they have to hit you to lose stacks
I'm actually kind of digging it and will try that out
magic radish
Which one I'd golemd
clear scaffold
so its really +60 phys armor and +95 mag pwr if you avoid getting hit by phys dmg
clear scaffold
I've got to test it some more tomorrow but I'm liking golem
I think its a good sub for your orb.
knotty condor
yeah sounds actually decent
wise laurel
Skipped most of this thread, but I saw the linked video and went to the end. Phase never finished orb of growth in a 30 min+ match as expected lol
Also, just quickly looking at your profile, another tip on stacking items... I would suggest against going soulbinder last item.
On that note, just sticking to support crests as support is probably most beneficial to phase, and trying not to take last hits is also helpful to the duo lane.
magic radish
On that note, just sticking to support crests as support is probably most benefi...
For like the third time
If I'm playing ranked then I plat the consort crest most
rapid hamlet
what on earth
alpine umbra
Here's a screenshot of your friends opinion on luna with phase
They use it somet...
Lunaria is reserved specifically for heroes that heal in bursts. It’s middling on narbash and phase
magic radish
Alright, i have changed the items around to be more easy to recommend, since orb was the main sticking point in a build where you will inevitably be targeted by the majority of the team I have removed orb from the build post and replaced it with a recommendation for either marshal or windcaller (I will probably be using soul binder because infinitely scaling scaling magic power is better than a small boost to healing and my build already gets much better boosts anyway so more healing is better)
magic radish
Lunaria is reserved specifically for heroes that heal in bursts. It’s middling o...
Ok tell that to the people putting it in their builds and the people who keep RECOMENDING IT
Like the one that recommended using prophecy, luna and another item I forget
Sure having burst healing is ok but having consistent healing is way better
The only time I'd ever build luna on phase is if I'm in an early game and using items that would probably get people talking crap about me
maybe in the first 15-20 minutes I'd build prophecy and luna then sell them for much better items but the issue with that is that you lose a lot of what makes phase easier to play
Crystal tear is in the build because having an item that gives 25 haste and 80 magical power while also giving a slight boost to healing potential is really good
It's cheap and easy to obtain
alpine umbra
Ok tell that to the people putting it in their builds and the people who keep RE...
Eh, lots of posted builds are pretty wack. Lunaria doesn’t even really provide that much of a burst unless you also have big burst healing in the kit already
magic radish
Galaxy greaves is in there because it gets me out of sticky situations and khaos made me realize how that one single item can give me enough mobility to save myself
alpine umbra
Yeah, greaves is a must build id say
magic radish
Eh, lots of posted builds are pretty wack. Lunaria doesn’t even really provide t...
Then maybe there should be a way to down vote those builds so people can actually learn the item is bad on her
alpine umbra
Then maybe there should be a way to down vote those builds so people can actuall...
@trail terrace
magic radish
Yeah, greaves is a must build id say
After using the build for long enough I agree and I will use this as the best example of why I disregarded everyone's comments
When someone who actually plays support and plays phase specifically (more than just a few dozen times because their zinx or narbash is unavailable) gives me their Input I actually take it into consideration because they know how the character is
They are aware that her kit is more like that of a mage who just has a passive healing buff
magic radish
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Is there a way to do it on the website? I honestly never tried because I only look at the website when I want to compare my stats to those of other phase mains
trail terrace
<@218774989724188672>
But you can down vote
magic radish
Honestly I tried asking koreok what they build for phase so I could understand their perspective because they told me they wouldn't enjoy the build, this is fine with me because I enjoy my build but I wanted to have more insight from people who had actual experience
On the website
I was asking If you're able to because I haven't bothered trying (to many people get butthurt when someone who plays a character tries to help)
magic radish
After using the build for long enough I agree and I will use this as the best ex...
I will clarify something about this statement as well
Yeah, sure maybe orb is bad on squishy characters but when you have wide range abilities that are bound to hit enemy troops while you fight your target you will inevitably get troop kills
I swapped from the orb after doing the math and realizing that her maximum healing she can get from the orb is 100 so I chose to value increasing her magical power rather than waste time on the orb but this also made me realize that the orb is basically useless on almost every build but tank and maybe mage due to the fact that woth 3k health a hero can only have a maximum of 100 hp regenerated so even a tank with 6k health only gets 200 hp regen, this means only the stats from the evolved orb is worth the effort
And they're only worth the effort because at lv18 you gain an extra 72 magical power and 270 hp
As for why I disregarded everyone else?
If you don't play a character don't try to give advice on them
You won't catch me giving advice on Argus or grim
Easy points to show that disregarding the comments of people who don't play a character is the right way to go:
"Why would you ult on revenant he doesn't benefit from attack speed" ignored or doesn't realize that phase gets more than attack speed from her ultimate and if you have a smart revenant they will wait until the last second to use their ult.
"If you want to do a lot of healing just use prophecy and luna"
Anyone who uses phase will tell you that her passive makes it very difficult to build stacks of luna high enough to matter and luna is meant to be used on heroes that have long cooldowns on their heal but have huge heal values.
"I do in fact think phase is a bad hero"
Someone who thinks a character is bad should not be giving their two cents on a build for that hero, especially if they don't know how the person plays.
The only thing of value that anyone gave was making me decide to be petty enough to do the math on the healing that orb provides and although the orb gives me noticeable healing in a match the numbers do not justify using it over using something like soulbinder
cinder wind
i can cuz the build just doesnt make sense
lunaria doesnt work on phase
it procs the heal everytime you heal, but phase heals everytime she uses an ability so you can’t build stacks with it
next aurora
also, NEVER GO ANYTHING BUT SUPPORT CREST ON SUPPORT.
support crest is where su...
Why doesnt anyone mention that support crest gives support wards? Place 3, back, place 3 more. No ward CD. I'll never understand how you could play support without it.
knotty condor
Why doesnt anyone mention that support crest gives support wards? Place 3, back,...
cuz thats not the main issue, the main issue is that you lack like 10k gold
knotty condor
lunaria doesnt work on phase
nobody talking bout lunaria since forever
next aurora
cuz thats not the main issue, the main issue is that you lack like 10k gold
Supports are supports because of utility, but go off.
clear scaffold
Is this thread still kicking? I thought everything that could have been said was said already lmao
knotty condor
Supports are supports because of utility, but go off.
if youre lacking 10k gold you wont have utility anymore except for enemy team as a walking bag of money
thats 3 to 4 full items
so yeah it makes a massive difference in how useful you are to the team. even as support, gold is everything, at least everything that levels aren't
the reason you dont usually feel this is precisely because of the support crest giving you thousands of gold passively
but if you dont take it... gg
next aurora
Im not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying you lose a lot more than gold.
static turret
Im not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying you lose a lot more than gold.
xp also your missing out. Not only that you lose either mana or hp sustain
next aurora
Unless you're stealing CS as well, you're not getting crest in a timely manner at all.
knotty condor
all true, but negligible next to the goldgap
alpine umbra
I wonder how this thread will evolve now that phase is cracked
clear scaffold
While I still think this build is too much of a gold hog, it should be good for 1.4 minus the oog.
sharp rover
I think golem is probably great on her. Mana regen to upkeep abilities, lots of power, armor, and great haste
Since she plays more in the middle of fights this item is more value now
Gonna test her out in practice mode tmrw and see what kinda aggressive/dmg build she can get going now
spark lake
If you're gonna build soulbinder don't wait till item 4, it's either 1st item or not at all.
void grail
as for astral catalyst, as explained before, even for mages for whom it is more ...
I actually sometimes like astral on phase, can keep her ult ready for a lot of situations that may not be a full team wipe but more spaced out fights but also. In general her having high ult cd can be useful for pushing objectives. I've had benefit from it from getting into fights with it and then having it again to push orb/fang or towers. And just overall being extra prepared by having the ult often if u have ppl who u know can secure the kills with you
And it offers ability haste as well of, I think it's not a bad pick should one ever wanna use it
sharp rover
In practice seems like phase still is best built like a heal bot cause she can’t rlly do damage
clear scaffold
She can sure annoy the hell out of the enemy though. Damage is tertiary to ability haste and healing. This build has enough haste to make it kind of worth it.
Still too much gold investment though
void grail
In practice seems like phase still is best built like a heal bot cause she can’t...
They did nerf her healing which sucks cuz she wasn't really a strong healer to begin with. I think zinx still is cuz her burst heals. Lunaria would've been nice if it worked on phase but u literally can't build stacks with it on phase cuz the link
alpine umbra
In practice seems like phase still is best built like a heal bot cause she can’t...
It’s all about breaking their mental
brave geode
lunaria doesnt work on phase
It does work you can Auto attack to deal damage in between ability/passive heal procs
clear scaffold
It does work you can Auto attack to deal damage in between ability/passive heal ...
Not worth it
void grail
It does work you can Auto attack to deal damage in between ability/passive heal ...
Lunaria i think u could use just for the 12% heal stat boost if u want a healer build but yea it sucks that main use of it literally doesn't work on her, they need to do something ab tht. I wish well spring didn't have to leave cuz there's no real incentive now to build healer phase even tho her passive gives heals. Rework her passive or let her actually be able to heal I feel like
clear scaffold
I don't think her primary job is to heal personally but the build was viable for that prior to 1.4. The heal scaling off of mag pwr got nerfed with the rework which made this build less effective... kind of curious if that's been reflected in @magic radish matches of late.
magic radish
I don't think her primary job is to heal personally but the build was viable for...
Oh the healing makes it harder to completely dominate team fights but her mobility got an insane boost
The good thing about the build is that her ability haste and mana regen end up so high that she can spam flare and keep escaping
If you use truesilver as well you basically can't be messed up by the stunlock meta but recently I've been trying to push past gold so I've just been hard focused on my morigesh to get easy wins
My build's healing got cut basically in half but the tether not allowing stunned enemies to be pulled hasn't really affected me as much as I initially thought, maybe it will be different in higher brackets though
analog isle