Feng Mao

[finite temple]

You guys are worried about kallari dominating low lobbies yet you leave this hero way TF overtuned as hell for far to long.

This hero is behond busted hes always fed because he just presses the R button even when hes behind in the match all he has to do is show up late to the fight and press the R button. hes also way more mobile then kallari and does way more damage with not even a quarter of the effort. oh and if you cancel his ult as a support he just uses it again. Hey kids doesnt that sound really balanced????

And yet theres no nerf to this hero anywhere in the patch notes? are you serious?

Why is feng getting buffs we have all been wondering this what is his pick rate low???? like I guarantee you this hero is carrying people to higher ranks than they should be that is a fact.

Rant over make this hero take a brain please!

[torpid dove]

Agree, hes one of the strongest heroes

[weak snow]

facts

[royal zealot]

Feng mao kinda dog shit, might need another buff

[raw parcel]

Feng mao sucks compared to other Offlaners like Terra and if your Team is Not ahead you can not just press ult on anyone and I think if you show up late in team fight you not winning any game

[stuck igloo]

Terra at least makes you think about what skill is more profitable for you to spend stacks on now and when is the right time to turn on the ult, where to start the fight and how to get out of it so that you can still keep a spare axe, in case of a gank. And Feng Mao just waves his broom, and then blinks, or ults. And then ults again. And now it's a pentakill.

[raw parcel]

If you are 10/0 and 5 level ahead what you expect?

Any champion is broken while far ahead

[stuck igloo]

It doesn't matter what Feng has in terms of kills, you can only fight him confidently if you have a strong LS, or with the help of a jungler, you just have no option to kill him at low HP, despite the fact that he is super thin, because he always has an ult with him.

[finite temple]

he wins most 1v1s too doesnt matter if you have more HP or armor he just nukes you when you about quarter HP POG!
for a physical assassin to be as lethal as he is with an ult that scales which is absolutely wild btw.

[stuck igloo]

And, in fact, I have no complaints about his ult, except that it can be used as many times in a row as you like and, probably, that such a tool simply exists by default.
Let his ult execute, but let it be necessary to do something for this, I don’t know, the need to inflict 50% damage from the target’s max health, or somehow charge the ult, let it hit hard in stock, and if you strain a little, you can execute.
I would rather have it become more complex and not so spinal that you would have to at least turn on your brain to win for it.

[ionic beacon]

He's mildly comparable to Darius, but Darius has no mobility vs Feng, and Darius' ult is completely melee range

[finite temple]

the funny thing is this is the same hero fault had broken when he released. and its a similar issue the only difference was faults version reset his dash on kill oh boy what a fun time that was..............

I uninstalled for like 3 months or more I forget

it was that bad

[finite temple]

and thats the issue hes a mobile assassin with an execute ult that also scales with power..... and can be recast for 12 seconds after a kill 12 seconds is first off wild. 2nd stuns dont even put the thing on cooldown......

warps on top of my ADC spins presses R even if I stun him he still wins its so stupid

[ionic beacon]

Pyke has a lot of mobility and an execute with reset on ult

But he's very, very squishy

[finite temple]

ye and feng would be "Squishy" if he didnt have a damn shield

[royal zealot]

Feng mao is bad if you are not bad

Just stun him

[finite temple]

theres just to much going for him he needs to be hit somewhere to feel more fair. As I said I dont like the fact hes letting people who are clearly bronze climb up the ranks and then any time they are not playing him they are terrible. and Ive seen a lot of that relating to this hero specifically. this can be said about litterally every hero except terra its not a good argument

[raw parcel]

If feng can jump easy on your adc it’s just bad positioning

[royal zealot]

Wait is Terra a "high skill" hero?

[stuck igloo]

Absolutely no

Sorry, offtop, but I just realized that Illithid appearance will perfectly fits him

[finite temple]

no but terra actually is not winning fights shes losing by presssing the R button. because oh look your quarter HP oh you stunned me in my ult imma press the button again POG

[raw parcel]

That’s the problem with all otp players, has nothing to do with the champ

[finite temple]

false

[raw parcel]

And there is no difference between low gold or bronce in skill

Just more playtime

[finite temple]

you think im talking about low gold no

[royal zealot]

Diamond players are also shit have no worry

[raw parcel]

Only top 30 players are insane tbh

[royal zealot]

Just gimme a sec, I took a 4 month break

[raw parcel]

I know you, you are dockesenpai

[royal zealot]

I mean, yes

[stuck igloo]

Am I right in understanding that only paragons are considered people? And the main gaming audience, like 50-70% of people who are in gold and platinum, is that a joke and their gaming experience is not taken into account?

[royal zealot]

Pred just have a pretty steep learning curve, and where most people end up is around the gold/plat range purely from just playing.

[finite temple]

saying pred has a steep learning curve is absolutely wild

this is the simplest moba in existence probably

there borderline no depth

[stuck igloo]

Therefore, we need to proceed from what is there. Also, less than 50% of the audience play ranked and we all know how does the game differ in ranked and standard modes

[raw parcel]

If feng mao cant snowball or get cc he is useless, and if you cant play against him, use the ban function, banning champs like sparrow is useless anyway

[royal zealot]

Wait it's all just a skill issue?

[stuck igloo]

Man, he doesn't need to be nerfed, he just needs to be made a little more complex so there aren't any press R to win situations.

[finite temple]

and as I also said they nerf kallari hard af so she cant roll lower lobbies yet this man remains execute penta kill man with half a brain absolutely wild.

[raw parcel]

Kallari get buffed now bc she was nerfed too hard

[prisma mountain]

If you are saying feng wins most 1v1s you obviously havent played on feng against good crunch, steel, kwang or zarus.

[stuck igloo]

«Good» and 4 characters doesn't fall under category «most»

[pulsar ivy]

i think he is fine other than that last buff he got for 0 reason

and his ult reset timer should probably scale with level i fink

[finite temple]

This would be a nice solution tbh cause 12 seconds is nuts . I actually think that's the biggest issue is just how long you have well that and stuns not putting his ult wven on a sodt cooldown. If they tighten that up the hero will have more of a window he's good in getting multiple executes will feel more rewarding if it's harder to pull off.

It's kinda like how revenant only has so much time in the Rift

[finite temple]

Feng got buffed to much

[rapid osprey]

the only problem with feng mao, and most assassins in this game, is it is the role you would assume would have the highest potential damage output (which they rarely do unless snowballed far ahead of anyone else in the lobby, exception is currently countess)
but also the highest skill ceiling, which they really don't. Kallari and serath are the hardest to use well, and they are arguably pretty easy to execute. And this difference in mastery really isn't very much of a difference.

All the assassins in our game are "did you choose to go in at the correct time, and did your enemy team follow up on the initiation to the fight properly? Okay. Character decent to good.

But there is no "wow this person is making serious plays because they are just executing these mechanics at a very high level"

The ceiling is so low.

The max damage output is below adcs potential damage output (even in isolation)

[weak snow]

I think hero kits and base game mechanics just aren’t complex enough for this to exist

Like in League you’ll see assassins pull off crazy plays even off low HP and win like 1v2+ and it’s basically impossible here

[rapid osprey]

yeah, but thats also the stuff thats most fun to watch. Thats the stuff that draws fans.

thats the stuff that made people like league a lot.

thats the stuff that makes people aspire

to do the same

Watching pred doesn't inspire people to play pred at a higher level

(maybe it does... but i doubt its very many)

our game is often .. oh that adc outspaced someone by an arms length and now gets to tether that person to death

very exciting.

[weak snow]

That’s why I really believe this game would have a lot more potential if we had more base combat mechanics to be expanded upon. Like 3D MOBAs have a lot of untapped potential and Deadlock has done an incredible job in where movement independent of the character already makes a big difference in fights

I don’t think we need anything crazy but small additions to our movement to make brawling more interactive and a bit less one dimensional, maybe that’s just me tho

And some abilities with alternate behaviors based on input imo. Hold vs normal or double tap vs normal, making them more dynamic

Kallari is an example of a hero that genuinely requires skill mostly at the macro level in decision making. I would argue Serath isn’t very difficult to play at all tbh

[pulsar ivy]

i would argue serath is just as difficult

[weak snow]

Maybe just much lower skill floor, she’s an easier character to pick up 100% and cause havoc

[rapid osprey]

like difficulty feg mao is like a 3/10.
Kallari is like a 4.5
serath is like a 3.5 or a 4 lol

[pulsar ivy]

i think so yea

i think feng can be pretty tough

no bias

maybe a little

a lot probably

but still

[weak snow]

feng is really strong but requires decent knowledge to play well I think

I wouldn’t expect a new player to do much with him but if you’ve played Pred a decent amount, he’s not hard to get rolling

He’s just a bully lmfao

[raw parcel]

If Kallari is 4.5 what are other champs above 4.5 ?

[ionic beacon]

There are none

[finite temple]

https://tenor.com/view/true-correct-dwight-schrute-rainn-wilson-right-gif-23822659

Like I would say wraith is prob a 4-4.5 given you have to land 3 skill shots but the difficulty itself is litterally just can you aim. If yes you make the skill check if no you shouldn't play him.

Kallari has a lot more going on then wraith though tbf.

[finite temple]

Are we calling countess a 2?

[rapid osprey]

eh countess is also a 3 IMO

timing her slips

is most of the skill expression

but yeah, like