Sevarog Passive Rework - Health to Armor

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Old:
Reaper of Souls - Passive

• Sevarog gains Souls when he Kills an Enemy with an ability. Each Soul grants 1 bonus health and 0.5 additional Siphon damage. Upon reaching 40/80/120/160 Souls, Sevarog gains 65/125/185/245 bonus health and 20 additional Siphon damage.

New:
Reaper of Souls - Passive

• Sevarog gains Souls when he Kills an Enemy with an ability. Each Soul grants 1 bonus health and 0.5 additional Siphon damage. Upon reaching 40/80/120/160 Souls, Sevarog gains 10 Bonus Physical and Magical Armor and 20 additional Siphon damage.

Note:

• I find health to not be a good stat anymore its actually a detriment and goes against the spirit of being a tank I believe moving Sevarog away from health totals would be best as it would fit more of a tank role to gain armor instead.
• I wouldn't mind if you just outright removed the health in general and increased the siphon damage per stack.

[pallid yoke]

health is far from a detriment. it still increases survability, even against %hp damage. and it increases the damage of tank items with health scaling like fireblossom.

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the lower you can keep your health the less effective Demolisher is

and building a lot of armor makes it be less effective

[pallid yoke]

yes, but health scaling is higher than the demo damage scaling
so either way it increases survivability

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I would rather have 1300 bonus health and 400 to 500 Physical Armor with Tainted Guard than 5 more damage on Fireblossom

yes you can build that much armor its only 4 phys and 1 split armor with 1 magic armor item

its 25% to 30% mitigation with stonewall

also Demolisher amps all Phys damage including items its the reason why I want lower health

and more armor

[pallid yoke]

prioritising armor is one thing
saying health is a detriment is another

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Armor > Health

Health = More Damage Taken

More Damage Taken in some cases results in more sustain for the enemy

so more armor mean less survivability for enemy comp

Health = Bad

or you dont want too much of it

[golden bison]

Yeah sorry you're just mistaken Op, armor has soft caps thus if a sev is building correctly the health from the passive is more valuable than bonus armor

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Stonewall 25% Physical Mitigation surpasses the cap also past 100 does not mean its 50% mitigation and done there is more to it as it effectively increases your health

[golden bison]

I don't think yk what soft caps means

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What does it mean wise one

elucidate

[golden bison]

Diminishing returns. The more armor you build the less value you get after certain points basically any physical armor after 270 is useless and better invested into hp or magic armor. Or as sev maybe world breaker

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that would be the case if Tainted Guard and Stonewall didnt exist

again stonewall keeps pushing the Physical Mitigation

100 Bonus Armor = 5% Physical Damage Mitigation

100 Bonus Armor = 30/3s Magical Damage

[golden bison]

It's still true even though those do exist. Bc the health provides more value than adding a small amount of mit above 270 armor

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so 70% Physical Damage Mitigation is not worth it

[golden bison]

You have 75% physical mit with 270 physical armor

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again I am still getting some health

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my armor total is 400, 83.6 is the base amount

the total armor bonus is 316.4

[golden bison]

There is no point going above 270 physical armor

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Stonewall Scaling 5% + 316.4 = 15.8% Mitigation + Base 5% = 20.8% + Razorback + 25% Additonal Armor 395 =79 Additional Armor = 3.95% Additional Mitigation + 20.8% + 24.75% Mitigation

[golden bison]

Hp provides more value

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one second need to find the effective health formula for above 100 Armor

[golden bison]

Armor will only effect the damage you take and provide a negligible dot at late stages of the game that a carry will laugh at.
Hp will add more survivability and damage

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and so will armor

again tainted Guard Scales off of it

and a lot

30%

[golden bison]

Again it's negligible to a carry late game

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120/s is negligible while also mitigating 24.75% along with a reduction of 8% Power and 15% Crit Damage.

and a 12.5% reduction in total attack speed

Resistance Percentage

The amount of resistance against a specific damage type can be calculated using the following formula:

Armor Resistance % = 1 - 100/(100 + Effective Armor)

Both Physical and Magical Armor share the same calculations and have diminishing returns. Every point of Armor roughly calculates into 1% effective max Health against the specific damage type. For example, having 10 Armor at 2000 HP will give the player bonus 200 effective Health.

This equates to roughly:
11 Armor 10% Damage Resistance
25 Armor 20% Damage Resistance
50 Armor 33% Damage Resistance
67 Armor 40% Damage Resistance
100 Armor 50% Damage Resistance
200 Armor 67% Damage Resistance
300 Armor 75% Damage Resistance
Effective Armor

Effective Armor describes the amount of Armor the player has after applying Penetration. Since there are 4 types of Penetration - Percent Armor Reduction, Flat Armor Reduction, Flat Penetration and Percent Penetration, the formula for effective armor is the following:

Effective Armor = (Armor Value * (1 - Percent Armor Reduction) - Flat Armor Reduction) * (1 - Percent Penetration) - Flat Penetration

Meaning if the player has 100 armor and the enemy has 30% penetration and 10 flat penetration, the player will effectively have 60 armor against that enemy.

there we go

wow it is the same calculations as Haste

[pulsar roost]

Sev is a raid boss. If the stacks went to prots, he could build damage and be even more of a menace

and we've already seen that

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MOAR ARMOR!

[ripe pawn]

NO!

Severog is a monster

as is rightnow

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Why be a monster when he can be a god!

[ripe pawn]

hes already a god if you get him there. the only carry that really melts him is sparrow and sparrow comes with a you must position correctly or you get rekt caviot.

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I always like wasting a Sparrow ult get her to activate it and then dash away come back after she throws her tantrum then kill her

[ripe pawn]

which is my point hes a raid boss if he gets his stacks.

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but I dont want the health though

they can get rid of it and just give a bit more siphon damage and I would be happier

[ripe pawn]

but the health is why hes so good what do you mean.

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Due to a lot of items causing you to take more damage based on bonus health I prefere having less of it and more armor

[ripe pawn]

but you outscale those items

like what

he needs to be counterable

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Demolisher is a 30% Ignore and a 25% Amp you dont really outscale those especially when the item affects all physical damage

[ripe pawn]

but he does

watch a good player play him

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I dont like to say this but I am one of those players been playing Sev since before he could stack in Jungle

and also 270 Haste

good times

or the great Magical Lifesteal nerf

and when his Siphon used to scale off of Phys power

God I miss Leviathan

and Old Lifebinder

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Man I am starting to realize they have nerfed his itemization to hell

[ripe pawn]

that I agree with but saying he needs a change from health to armor I dont agree with. granted I understand they did it for balancing reasons but giving a hero less ways to be played isnt the best solution

[pulsar roost]

Thats why you build things like frostguard and Hexbound

You won't outscale, but its great mitigation

But if an entire team is focusing a Sev, then the 4 other people are going to get that trade. And if Sev doesn't get focused, he will ape on the backline.

[orchid geyser]

"Ape on the back line"