Improvements we needs ASAP

[elder yew]

Hi,

I make this post to share what I think we want in priority instead of the packaging we have every update.
It becomes so weird that every patch we just had few thing that are not improving the game core (it doesn't mean that what omeda do is bad, but for sure it's not what we expect in prio from them).

- AI minions is pretty bad atm and it fucked up a lot of laning phase, freeze etc. We need a big improve
- Neutral objectives HP bar for the whole team when the team has true vision on it from a certain distance or when we has ward on it
- Increase the range we can see our tower HP bar when we look at it, we can't see it clearly on map everytime.
- Map improvement, more space to teamfights, less bottleneck everywhere, better made to make wards more efficient
- Make the fountain not oneshoting people that can be gamechanger, for example if you are at one auto to kill someone that can depush minions wave you can finish a game.
- Rework the communication system to make it easier and faster to use.
- Improve Camera distance/angle
- Add tchat function into the main lobby to chat with friend
- Make people profile viewable with game history (So of course add match history in profile)
- In the draft lobby, being forced to click on the input bar everytime to write something is so painfull, we want to press enter and then write again without clicking into the input
- Make roleswap and character swap a reality in draft
- Improve replay system
- Rework custom games, create a lobby where you invite people, where you can select a side, where you can have spectators, where you don't need to be 10 to start, where you can select the map.
- Add daily objectives with rewards to make player improves (some smart objectives like : Kill more than 7 minions per minute as offlaner/midlaner/adc during a game, or like : Kill Orb prime with smite as a jungler)```

I think it will be a good start to really improve the game and stop making us mad.

What do you think ?
See Ya

Improvements we needs ASAP

[elder yew]

Also, what's the point to make range auto attacks not hitscan ? It is just increasing the impact of the ping and so making intercontinental matches more unbalanced that they already are with the ping difference.

[toxic burrow]

Having objectives health bar showing from wards or vision is very unlikely to come. They've said they've thought about it but it just isn't something they want to explore further.

Iirc you can auto people in the fountain from the edge of it
But if they're out the range of autos, they're also very very unlikely to be able to wave clear effectively enough to stop you ending the game. It also allows some characters to instakill and is good for defending the base so you don't just get perma run down

I dont really have an issue with the communication system personally. You have to move your mouse very very little for it to register the movement for when you click

People's profiles etc are visible on omeda.city, so I think it's unlikely it'll come anytime soon as there's no urgent need for it as there is a 3rd party website that handles it very well.

Everything else I agree with 👍

[odd bronze]

Great post that Omeda needs to take notes from, agree with mostly all of this

[elder yew]

about
"Having objectives health bar showing from wards or vision is very unlikely to come. They've said they've thought about it but it just isn't something they want to explore further."
I have only one answer that is : contesting objectives will ever be a gamble.

"But if they're out the range of autos, they're also very very unlikely to be able to wave clear effectively enough to stop you ending the game."
An iggy or gideon or any character with depush force will be able to regen to full life then be able to clear the wave under the core

"I dont really have an issue with the communication system personally. You have to move your mouse very very little for it to register the movement for when you click "

Taking free dmg from your jungle or wave to find out what you want to say and losing 3sec to ping is just painfull, (moba is about timing and 3sec is a lot) while you can just make a single wheel with the most common things or adding option to ping on the map like it was possible on paragon or any other game

I'm kinda agree with the last part which is not a priority but which should be appart from 1.0 because it's a feature that is mandatory in a game even more in a final release.

[candid loom]

while i think the communication system if fine it has a big flaw once u start getting deeper into the options its to awkward to use i think it would be perfect if they let us customize it a bit some pings i dont even bother using

[elder yew]

also i can add this screenshot that is not saying, we gonna add some option that will make the communication wheel more painfull

[toxic burrow]

They wont be a gamble
Theyll become more of a gamble with vision of healthbars because more things will be able to accurately do damage when the objective is low allowing for more randomness, and it wont just be a smite-off anymore

An iggy or a gideon cannot wave clear effectively while sitting at the very back of the fountain. And, assuming its late game when they are at the core, carries and mages and damage dealers overall will be able to outdamage the healing of the fountain

If you know the ping wheel well, it becomes musle memory. Most people can use any ping within half a second. You can also use the middle mouse button to spam ping and most people will understand what it would mean in the context. Being able to ping the map would be a good thing to add

[elder yew]

i can also add this from S2 roadmap : ban has been added but both side can ban the same heroe, while swaps still not implemented

[toxic burrow]

Customisable would be nice
But tbh after a certain amount of time, you just remember where each ping is and can fire them off very quickly

[candid loom]

im still in awe swaps isnt in yet

[elder yew]

why are you presuming that the iggy is sitting very far back of the fountain, it can be a 1v1 iggy is at one auto to get kill and the opponent can be mid life and could kill iggy if the fountain do not oneshot, so iggy is dead, the opponent is 1/3 life and can finish the game, if iggy can't be kill, he gonna regen full HP and so the opponent has to back or he gonna die

there is many scenarios that can be evoke

and make this decision objectivly a good one

[toxic burrow]

because if the iggy is sitting at the front of the fountain, he can be shot as ususal and whether the fountain kills you or not doesnt matter

the only time making the fountain not insta kill would be useful is if theyre at the back of the fountain, out of the range of auto attacks and abilities
and even then, not all abilities

[elder yew]

w/e the point in everything we say is that omeda do not improve the core game, and this is what we need ! we don't need a "improve UI" that hidding opponent last pick

[elder yew]

not true at all my dude, i'm auto attacking an iggy running to his fountain, i'm following him, and i have to stop or i get instant killed, he lives even if he's just next to me out of range of my auto attack as melee character... i'm just fucked, and i can't finish the game

thats so unfair

or make the fountain instant regen full HP, it would have more sense, at least it means you can not kill someone in the fountain... why range character can kill into the fountain and not melee character, it is a non sense !

[elder yew]

yeah patches makes me sleep so hard, waiting for real improvements for the game which will make reborn the hope in this project

atm i'm just mad, i've put all my trust in it because the team was made from old players i known from paragon, but i'm forced to notice omeda is not working for the players and the game, but for the funders which makes me so sad and so untrustly to them

the game is kinda good, but it miss mandatory features and improves for a moba that make the game not enjoyable as it should be

[toxic burrow]

unless he runs all the way to the back of the fountain, you can still shoot him without entering the fountain

[elder yew]

are you drugged or something ? if i'm playing greystone how can i do it ?

why an ADC can kill him into the fountain, and why as a greystone i can't ?

where is the sense of that ?

[toxic burrow]

greystone cant no
but any ranged character or any character with a ranged ability can

and no need to be rude

[elder yew]

i'm trying to kill him trading a large amount of HP to finish the game but i can't even try it

[elder yew]

yeah thats the point sorry, but it's upsetting me to read that, i'm literally telling as melee character and your answer is about range character

[toxic burrow]

letting your enemies go into your fountain just lets them spawn camp you with 5 people sitting right where youre about to spawn

and no characters can efficiently clear minions while in their fountain, and can do it even worse when there is an enemy sitting on the fountain line

[toxic burrow]

yeah thats my bad i didnt see melee character
i assumed it was ranged

[elder yew]

no, i'm speaking about "not oneshotting" not about dealing 1/4 HP every 0.5sec

i mean

we can speak about the dmg fountain deals, but oneshot is just obviously a bad thing

and btw, it should have a point that no one can hit you into the fountain untill they are not in themselves

its a non sense that range character can kill you into it when melee can't

there is many scenarios that melee character could finish a game if the fountain was not oneshoting. Anyway, I could afford waiting a good amount of time if it was the only thing omeda has to work on, but its not the case... Bored to see "New skins bundle" and "Balance" every patch when we want real improvements into the game instead of things that is only valuable for their wallet

i mean they can do both

but now, it still from more than 2 years that there is some features that we need, and that they never speak about. STOP JUST STOP AND WORK ABOUT THINGS THAT COUNT AND THAT WILL MAKE THE GAME LIVE LONG TIME !! So on you can make money and we all be happy to support you !!

atm there is only delusional people or people that are still hopefull to the game that are supporting it buying things and brings money to the company... it could be really more if everyone has trust in omeda... But i swear and i'm sure i'm not alone in this situation... I will never give a cent to omeda untill they will work properly on their game and they will give me back my trust in them

there is nothing else more painfull that seing people that you were playing with, that they were arguying about improvement you were agree with, to do shit like that about something they loved so much that they built a company to rebuild the game

[elder yew]

i didn't answer to this so i'm doing it :
1st - if your team is behind in the game, as a jungler you has smite and there is a ward into the pit, the ennemy team do not has clear the vision, you have opportunity to bring back your team into the game by killing yourself blinking into the pit at the most important timing, smiting the objective and denying it from the ennemy team. It is the same if someone of your team giving you the vision on objective HP.
ATM, the only way to bring back your team into the game, is 100% luck going in at the right timing without any idea about the objective HP. So ATM you can go at the moment the ennemy team is killing it, so you are just going into your death without any chance of bringing your team back. Or you can also go when the objective still has 10K HP so there is no chance you can deal enought dmg to kill it by yourself and you are just giving the win to the ennemy team.
What is the point not giving the information to the whole team when you should have it, except not bringing us a comeback mechanic ?

2nd - You cant ping trought the whole map properly. for example, if you are doing your 5 camps as a jungler and wanna ping "careful offlane" cause you know your jungler opponent might be their, you just can't ! you have to press your ping button, make 3 moves and clicks with your mouse to ping it correctly, and takes at least 1 cycle dmg of your jungle camp and lost 1 to 2 seconds timing depending of your knowledge/execution.
If you don't see any changes about your offlaner attitude, you'll have to make it again untill you are sure that he will noticed it ! so you took 2 or 3 or more free dmg and time to advertise your teammate...
This is not acceptable for a moba ! imagine without this 2 seconds multiplied by 3 or 4, you would have reached the offlane yourself and could have counter gank the ennemy jungler....
That's why we need a real improvement about pinging system

[candid loom]

on ur first point the devs fundamentally just disagree even tho it works that way in other mobas and is fine but for some reason its bad for predecessor

[elder yew]

it is not bad for predecessor, it is bad according to them, but it is so much bad as a player, that you can't even try something with knowledge instead of luck, it makes the games so one sided and random instead of being a game with skill and decision making... Imagine during a world competition, covered by all the medias telling to the people "there is one chance... He will randomly take a decision to bring back his team into the game"
i'm clearly telling to the world "FUCK YOU OMEDA !!! IT IS AN ABSOLUTE DISGUSTING DECISION THAT IS MAKING THE GAME TRASH AND NOT ENJOYABLE AND NOT PLAYABLE AND NOT DURABLE !!!!"

It is kinda like counter strike say : "there will be no more notice about Terrorist planting the bomb, and no more sound about the explosion status" so you gonna try to defuse the bomb just 0.00001sec before the explosion itself... THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE !

player has to know what they are trying to, not gambling their whole carrier about something they can't know !!

that's why atm the game is so trash and disgusting... there is so much factors that are impacting the game, that omeda don't work on it, that make the game random and not competitivly trustable, that will bring it to the death to the close future if there is no change from omeda direction

[modest orchid]

They disagree with obj healthbars showing through the map now? Back when this issue was first brought up (EA release) they said it was a technological hurdle and not that they would be opposed to implementing it. Did they change their stance recently?

[elder yew]

idk but the feelings are that omeda don't want to make it !!! Because they know how to show ennemy healthbar when we has vision on it, so i guess it is as much simple for neutral objectives as it is for ennemy heroes...
So where are we going ?
A Moba with lack of ingame knowledges because it is the right decision ?

do we want random games ?

[candid loom]

it was mentioned in pred chat jshred said it would make certain champs a must have because its a 3d moba

[elder yew]

also i can add, why some spells cooldown are refund when canceled when someother are not ?
This is simply about omeda appreciation.... why some spells are passing throught the wall when someother are not ? there is lot more about game core mechanics, i'm just trying to open omeda's eyes and make them work on what are making the game something we want to play guys...

[toxic burrow]

https://discord.com/channels/389767672151146498/1282354842160861335

[elder yew]

yeah exactly why feng ult is refund when he got canceled ?
There is 2 options... Make the feng ult uncancelabled or reduce the casting time to make it harder to cancel... but it should be the same for every spell on every character

why gideon ult got refund if it didnt deal any dmg to the ennemy ? if i predict his blink in ult to cancel him, why the fuck he would be able to recast it ?

[modest orchid]

Can you link it? cause I don't believe that he would say something that dumb

[candid loom]

#💥│predecessor message

[modest orchid]

damn

mb for doubting you ig thats crazy

[elder yew]

i don't get why certain char will be mandatory about this...

it's the same for the whole char

[vital relic]

Murdock will be mandatory for stealing attempts

[elder yew]

as ezreal is in league

[toxic burrow]

thats not the case anymore iirc

[vital relic]

Ezreal ult has a travel time

Murdock's is instant

[elder yew]

as ashe is in league

as so much char as in league

[toxic burrow]

murdock
wraith
gideon
gadget

characters who are really good at stealing it

[elder yew]

dude that's the game you are playing knowing who you are facing

that's a shame

[vital relic]

There's Lux, who while she doesn't have infinite range, can still steal consistently

[elder yew]

at least you know that there is a murdock that can steal the objective, so if you don't clear the vision, it is just your fault

[vital relic]

Also, it's a skill issue on jungler side

[candid loom]

does murdock ult deal 1000 true dmg ?

[elder yew]

no

[vital relic]

An ult of an ADC/Lux/whoever won't outdamage a smite

[toxic burrow]

240/380/520 (+120%

[vital relic]

But that's also another problem, isn't it

[elder yew]

and even if it was the case, you know that there is a murdock who can outsmite you, so you are playing with

[vital relic]

Aye, League makes steals even easier since you don't have verticality to aim for

[elder yew]

atm you are playing with luck

[candid loom]

not to mention they need to ward pit first and hope it doesnt get dewarded

[vital relic]

Also, hot take: But that's why copying League for the design doesn't work

[odd bronze]

which pretty much always happens

so idk why this is an issue

[vital relic]

If it's warded, and you have jungler at prime

[odd bronze]

Paragon gave you vision of HP bar when you were looking at orb

[vital relic]

Then there should be 0 problem to outdamage a Murdock ult once you reach the kill threshold

Or let him waste it, before you smite

[elder yew]

i'm so agree with you, copying league is such a mistake !! there is so much difference between a moba that you are seing a 360° around yourself instead of a moba where you are seing a 90° in front of you

[toxic burrow]

or just have someone spam wards over the wall
then when it gets low, you can snipe with no risk whatsoever

[elder yew]

i can confirm i have clip of it

[elder yew]

murdock ult do not outsmite !

[modest orchid]

If murdock and whoever else really become that much of an issue, can't they just up the damage on smite late game?

[vital relic]

Up prime's resistance, nerf the HP a bit

Boom

Smite outdamages Murdock ult

Same TTK

[elder yew]

or bringing certain spell dmg under smite on objectives

[vital relic]

And it's not an issue

[toxic burrow]

there is no jungle player that will always smite at exactly 1k health
there will always be a risk
say dock has 300 power
thats a 880 dmg ult
that he can do from anywhere

[toxic burrow]

dock ult ignores armor

[vital relic]

Or, prime takes % reduced damage from people outside the pit

[vital relic]

I forgor

[elder yew]

yeah thats all the point, giving the underdog team opportunity to bring them back into the game

[candid loom]

the jungler with smite is still at an advantage and if wards are being spammed ur basically alerting the enemy of ur location and ur next move

[toxic burrow]

or making the team that fought for the prime and killed 4 of the enemy team apart from the murdock lose the buff because murdock had ult up

[toxic burrow]

if youre on prime and the enemies are alive, its pretty obvious that theyre looking at you

[elder yew]

guys... W/E if the team doing the prime has cleared the vision, or are making a good zoning on the opponent, this will never be a subject to debate on.... you are leading the game, you are making the prime knowning that you can be contested on, so make your work with the knowledge, or be bad and let your opponent be better

[vital relic]

NGL I start to question why Murdock has the armor ignoring on the ult now

[candid loom]

true but good jungler try to smite as close to 1k as possible so they still have the advantage because its a smaller margin of error with smite unless murdock can actually do 1k true dmg at that point i would just nerf the ult on objectives

[toxic burrow]

well yeah any jungler can try that
but unless the whole team is in comms, its impossible to perfectly predict the damage coming in to know when to smite
if the jungler is in the pit as well, it essentially becomes a 33/67 in favor of the team with murdock

all of these suggestions when its much simpler and makes more sense to just not show vision

[vital relic]

I'll bump this up again

[elder yew]

this is only about the knowledge, if you know the objective HP, it is only because of your team that is not doing the job that make sure to secure the objective !!! if you are not doing this job, it is normal that the ennemy team can try to steal it if they know the objective HP

thats all

[toxic burrow]

its too little risk for too much information

[toxic burrow]

that just doesnt make much sense tbh

[elder yew]

btw moba has never been game that you are gambling something, it has always being about knowledge and decision

[candid loom]

see the problem with the 33/67 scenario is its just a bad scenario to take prime anyways regardless of vision just the jungler being alive makes taking prime a 50/50 and if he has teammate to back that up even worse

[toxic burrow]

stealing it is gambling in most cases

[toxic burrow]

so if you kill 3 and still have 5 up so its a 2v5 youre not gonna go for orb?

[elder yew]

yeah but you are gambling with knowledge, not randomly

atm you are just gambling with gambling

[toxic burrow]

too much knowledge for 0 risk
and it is random

[vital relic]

Wards are a cooldown

That's the risk of knowledge

[toxic burrow]

thats 0 risk

[vital relic]

Also, they can do the objective HP in a more intuitive way

[candid loom]

i would because i know the jungler cant come into pit anymore without getting stomped

[vital relic]

You only see it if you look at it

[elder yew]

dude, you are literally suciding yourself to make the game longer and trying to bring back your team on, what do you mean with 0Risk, your are literally doing a 50/50 knowing what your are doing, if it goes well you can hope to come back, if it goes bad you can FF

...

[toxic burrow]

if wards showed health, you could go in when its 1.5k and get the perfect timing without getting bursted

[vital relic]

Also can we stop trying to save Omeda time for once

[toxic burrow]

getting the information is 0 risk
going in for the steal does have risk

[vital relic]

Look what happened now, in this "full release 1.0"

[candid loom]

if i see him ward then i know thats the play hes going for and just wait for him i have the number advantage

[toxic burrow]

your team wont wait
theyll keep hitting it

[vital relic]

Why are you talking hypotheticals

In a pub game

[candid loom]

honestly the timing for him to win that is still very small especially if im aware and trying to stop/beat him to it so if for some reason he pulls it off he deserves it

[vital relic]

Matter of fact is, the game requires comms if you want to know prime's HP

And, you don't have good comms in pubs anyway

That doesn't matter

[elder yew]

going in with the HP bar gives you a 50/50 chance to take the objective that can bring you back in the game.
going in with the HP bar gives you a 50/50 risk to die and not take the objective that make you lose de game.
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going in without HP bar gives you a 5% chance to take the objective that can bring you back in the game.
going in without HP bar gives you a 95% risk to not taking the objective that will instantly close the game.

[vital relic]

If your team is good, they'll focus the right person

[elder yew]

where is the 0 risk ?

[modest orchid]

It is not even close to 33/67 in favor of murdocks team. Even if its super late game and murdock's ult does similar damage to smite, his ult doesn't shoot instantly, its not a guarantee he has vision, and the jgler in the pit can time abilities and the smite to deal far more damage than 1k in one instant. Murdock does not have a single advantage over the jgler in the pit.

A jgler would out smite a murdock 9/10 times.

[toxic burrow]

again, getting the information with wards would be 0 risk
going in to steal it has risk

[toxic burrow]

thats a very big if

[candid loom]

also btw i think it should only show the bar but not the actual value which i think is very important in smite battles

[elder yew]

But broooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

if there is a ward

it is only because you dont made your job

it is your own fault

wtf

i guess you are silver or bronze am i fooled ?

[toxic burrow]

with how much damage there is late game, the jungler normally isnt doing all the damage to objectives
they can try control it and smite at 1k exactly, but it very often isnt them controlling

[toxic burrow]

or because they spam wards over the wall
and unless youre tb you cant insta clear them
but even if you are tb, that means you arent shooting the objective

[toxic burrow]

lmfao

[elder yew]

dude in this game you can clear 5 wards with 3 autos

[toxic burrow]

you can clear 1 ward with 3 autos lmao

[elder yew]

ok you are definitly a bronze player

im out

see ya

[toxic burrow]

????????

[candid loom]

lol

[eager elm]

Would actually like to know how you can achieve something like that.

[toxic burrow]

theyve clearly got some special autos

[eager elm]

I like how they state something which seems impossible and just leave when someone is asking them to explain

[modest orchid]

You don't "control it" to smite it at 1k, you react / predict. The murdock also has to do the same thing. So any uncertainty in the timing is shared between them. Except, the jgler can change the timing while the murdock can't. Also, the murdock has to exclusively predict when its going to hit his ult's threshold because his ult isn't instantaneous while smite is.

[toxic burrow]

after calling me bronze cos they didnt undertsand me

[toxic burrow]

okay then 40/60 in favour of the team with murdock

still a bigger chance for the team with murdock

[modest orchid]

why

[toxic burrow]

because if the jungler doesnt insta smite and it gets in the threshold and the dock predicts it right, it gets stolen

ive done it before

[modest orchid]

I know you can do it, but smiting at the threshold is far easier than murdock ulting at the threshold. Murdock literally has 0 advantage in getting the last hit over a jg with smite

[toxic burrow]

0 advantage yes
well apart from not able to be stunned
but its still possible

[candid loom]

i call this a skill issue when it happens to me i think if i was more patient i wouldve won that

[modest orchid]

I'm not arguing whether its impossible or not, in fact it should be possible, but how does that make it 40/60 in favor of murdock?

[toxic burrow]

because the dock has their own jungler as well
the 60 is due to the jungler being able to outsmite as well as the dock being able to snipe it

[toxic burrow]

it is a skill thing partly
but also luck etc

[candid loom]

true

[elder yew]

xD so you just want that the ennemy can't steal it... thats all stop arguing, you prefer playing without any opposing things

[toxic burrow]

i thought u were done with this cos u wanted to destroy 5 wards with 3 autos

[elder yew]

i don't want to, it is just possible but it seems that your knowledge is limited 😉

[toxic burrow]

no i prefer there to be risk to getting info
i dont want even more randomness to effect getting objectives

[toxic burrow]

yeah you right
you can definitely destroy 5 wards with 3 autos 👍

funny u gotta resort to insults when i spit facts

[elder yew]

randomness...

[elder yew]

where are they ? you can't destroy 5 wards with 3 autos ?

[toxic burrow]

you clearly dont have any more points to make and i dont wanna derail and get your thread closed so ima leave it here

[elder yew]

ty at least your ego got you ! don't afk to fast into the game my dude 😉

a day you'll learn that you can clear 5 wards with 3 autos 😉 i Hope !!

[toxic burrow]

send me a video next time you do it!

[elder yew]

unfort the training or custom games don't allows me to show you it right know 😉

if it was the case, i would give you a record of it

let me think @toxic burrow Ohh sry i don't have to think... You are playing ADC or MID

[toxic burrow]

no im actually a jungle main

[elder yew]

omg what a disaster

imagine being a jungler main, who is arguing against himself 😄

so you love blinking into the pit and saying YATAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA i'm gonna steal it !!! OH FUCK IT IS 10K HP the game is DONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[modest orchid]

Honestly I thought you were just talking about murdock vs enemy jgler because in the situation you were talking about, yes it is favored for murdocks team.

[elder yew]

I'm not agreee, murdock is reacting, his ult has animation timing when the smite is instant. Also the murdock shouldnt has vision on the objective if the team has done his job, so there is no scenario the contesting team has advantage

it is just giving the contesting team a real chance to live into the game

instead of giving the game in 95% scenarios

so the risk come from 95% risk of losing to 20% of winning

numbers are randomly picked, but thats the idea

[eager elm]

Why not explain it instead of throwing around how you can do it and that he can't do it.

People can place 5 wards next to each other and you can hit them all together 3 times, but when is that going to happen?
You mentioned his rank, but in any sort of ranked game no smart player will place 2 wards next to each other, let alone 5.

So how do you recommend doing it? Asking genuinely because I want to understand it.

[toxic burrow]

he has special autos ofc

[elder yew]

His argument was "or because they spam wards over the wall"... if you are doing that, the reasons can be : you are not warding correctly for the team and you has 2 wards stacks so your are not competitive player... If you are support, you can spam 3 wards. however, if you spam wards over the wall, there is no chance that wards will far from each others, so anyway you can clear them quickly, also if you are doing prime, you are not alone so there is some pple to clear them instantly.

in a competitive scenarios, with good players, if you see the ennemy team spamming wards, you will stop dpsing the objective and you will clean the wards before finishing it safely because you know that ennemy murdock can have a chance

[toxic burrow]

you dont literally have to spam them lmfao
place them one by one, at intervals that match the damage as best as possible
and very few people actually ward so there will be plenty to use
and if people are clearing wards, they arent shooting the objective

[elder yew]

so anyway this is not an argument that can be take

[toxic burrow]

in a tournament yes maybe
but in pubs or even ranked, that level of coordination is not possible lmao

[toxic burrow]

in your opinion
but u also dont take it, just unnecessary insult people

[elder yew]

Ok so where is the "opponent has advantage" if you don't have a vision on objective HP 100% of the time ?

tell me im curious

i'm not insulting anyway

[eager elm]

Your argument was that you can clear 5 wards with 3 auto hits.

Even if you bring in team mates, you still only said 3 auto hits.
Not 4, not 5 just 3. You can not physically clear 5 wards with 3 Autos if they are not almost exactly on top of each other. That is physically impossible. And my point about it never happening in competitive matches still stands. I have never seen 5 wards places in top of each other.

[elder yew]

your arguing is just poor and it feels like you don't have moba knowledge to do it

[elder yew]

Yeah you right, so the argument of spamming ward is not admissible

[toxic burrow]

If I have it at 10k, then a few seconds later its at 7k, then I know in a few more seconds it'll be at 4k, then 1k

You just have to infer and think about it a little bit

[elder yew]

btw wards has not to be on top of them to clear them all

the cleave is real about wards

so you can clear 5 wards in a small area

that would be the case if you are spamming it over the wall

[toxic burrow]

I place a ward
They destroy it
A few seconds later I place another one
Then a teammate places one
We can have very high uptime on permanent vision

[toxic burrow]

Okay then Ill change the phrasing to help you understand what I actually meant

Place them over the wall periodically

[elder yew]

yeah with black hole between each of them so where is the advantage ?

[toxic burrow]

I have made actual points
You have just insulted

[toxic burrow]

A very short down time
But if the down time is when it's at 10k hp, then that isn't an issue in any way lmao

[eager elm]

I mean you can say they spam wards, nothing wrong with that.

5 wards is just a bit to much.
That would be 3 players spamming wards or 2 players (1 support and one other) spamming it. And even then you would have to assume that they still have all the wards.

Also, if you pick random numbers and make a statement without specifying it any further and refusing to elaborating upon it when someone is asking you it comes over as highly dishonest.

Do what you want, but that is just my advice for you.

[elder yew]

so you are arguing that you will never have to go into the pit to contest the objective because you exactly now where is the HP !! Imagine, i'm smarter, i start the Prime, you are warding at 10K HP, my team stop DPSing it, you place a 2nd ward 5 secs later, the objective still 10K HP, etc etc, what are you doing ?

[toxic burrow]

I'm walking around with my team to take a fight because you've just taken 5 seconds worth of orb damage and will probably be in a bad position to start a fight

And thats not what I'm arguing at all. And if you don't understand that then I can't help you.

[elder yew]

I never says that they spam wards, it was Haz arguing to defend the fact that showing objective HP when the team as true vision on it was bad because there is 0 risk for the opponent team to steal it

[toxic burrow]

Not what I said at all but you do you buddy

[elder yew]

i'am just trying to make him undestrand that there is no advantage for the opponent team in this kind of situation

and even if you are spamming wards, in a competitive game, or high elo game, there is no chance that the opponent can make a 50/50

because the team which is making the prime know what they are doing, and they has cleared the ennemy vision on it, and if there is someone that is trying to get vision is clearly zoned and cant have it, so there is no way murdock has an advantage to steal the objective

so yeah maybe there is a 0 risk to steal it in few situation, but it will be like winning the lothery

[elder yew]

ok but like you didnt ward after the 2nd one, my team started to one bursted the objective so you are late 😉

we have prime and the buff that it gives so you'll never win the fight 🙂

you didn't even tried to steal it

feel so good man

even if you had the opportunity to have vision of the HP bar

like i'm leading the game, and like i'm knowing my call, i'm also knowing that your team isn't able to steal it, so i take advantage of it.
But if my call is questionable, the enemy team has an opportunity to contest it correctly and not randomly because they made a job to give them a chance.
Thats why giving vision on it, is not a 0 risk for the contesting team, but only about knowledge and about doing well, instead of i'm randomly blinking in hoping that objective is close to 1K HP i have a chance to smite it, i'm blinking in because the enemy team has not doing his job clearing vision, so i can give a trully try in the right timing to reverse the game knowing the consequences if i'm failing it

sry for my bad english but the fact is, as an opponent you will never has 0 risk, you are already in a bad position ingame and you are trying a steal giving your life for it to give a little hope to your team.
Murdock ult is a bad argument to say "some char will be mandatory" there is a lot of workaround to make it useless and even if his ult does more damage than a smite, it still would be hard to steal the objective.
Also there is ban in draft, and you also has death timer etc.
It is better that you know the risk you take... than there is no risk to make it now because they just can't know ! And definitly don't give any chance of come back.

also this things is to allow junglers to contest objectives, other roles are not impacted if hard code say "there is no abilities or autos that can deal more than a smite"

[elder yew]

as everyone seems to love to do, if we takes League as example, the only thing that can outsmite is Kalista, but she needs time to stacks spears so she needs to be into the pit and she needs time, so she can't contest the objective if she was not into the team who were trying to do it... So if your jungler is accurate the only way you can be stealed is the opponent jungler with a smite dashing or blinking into the pit because he has vision on the objective. The chance of doing it is 50% if he has vision on it because of neglect, the chance is less than 5% if he don't has any datas about objectives HP because the inplace team is doing well.
Actually the chance is only less than 5% because you don't have tools to make it bigger...
To conclude, actually, contesting objectives is just gambling and the comeback mechanic do not exist about it.

[timber sapphire]

Let's not forget that the Dynamic Ping system is from Season 2, not 3. And yeah, when I read Dynamic ping system I thought that they were referring to the ping system that you use by pointing things and ping (dynamically), and not just 3 pings that tell you the time of the ult/crest/blink. It's really absurd having waited 1 year and 5 months since they announce that, just to be 3 pings that to which they added the time

[elder yew]

unfort you right

[elder yew]

Imagine next patch we'll only have visual improvments, new heroe, halloween skin and map both from paragon assets and random balances (just saying) when we need features

[velvet glen]

i mean ill take that 😄

seems like a good patch

[velvet glen]

visual map changes, visual ui stuff and a new hero ? + balance changes and skins, thats like a super good patch no ?

[elder yew]

Its good im agree, but where are importants features to improve the game itself?

[velvet glen]

i always hear people say that but somehow i cant picture anything myself of what that might be

like what would improve the gameplay loop ?

i guess a new map?

but that cant drop in a random patch

[elder yew]

Take an eye on original post

So much things to do

[velvet glen]

yeah sure but that things are also more qol

mostly

that too is nothing that improves the gameplay loop itself imo

but i agree with the points

[elder yew]

Hum minions ai is core strategy thing

Hp bar on objectives too

[velvet glen]

yeah sure but its not like the minion ai is changing slowpushes or waveprio

[elder yew]

Swap in draft will make the draft more balance and strategic

[velvet glen]

its just stuff that is bothersome

[velvet glen]

i agree that that is needed but that also has nothing to do with the gameplay loop

[elder yew]

Being able to pull the ennemy wave under t1 lvl1 is a big issue

[velvet glen]

i guess if you think so

i agree that minion ai is often terrible

[elder yew]

About me this is these kind of issue that count... This is a final released game, core mechanics are more important than few visual updates.

We only have this kind of update since too long now ! We got patient enougth dont you think?

[velvet glen]

sure thing there is always more to do and things to work out

id hope they get as much done as possible

[pearl hull]

You can't use current communication menu with efficiency that can be applied to nearly combat/active combat situation, u need to switch ur attention from battlefield to this wide menu with tiny buttons which is always change their position depending on mouse position on screen as a result it's too much time to find an option that you looking for.
In this situation the action wheel will be better especially if you'll be able to bind your own wheel like emotes wheel in PUBG and in that case u just need to press a button and move mouse to needed option

Moreover, the commands «Enemy Missing Right/Mid/Left Line» should be replaced with just one «Enemy Missing Line» and the message should be automatically replaced with the line it was given from, this will save time and will also ensure precision. I doubt that offlaners will ping about a missing carry, and supports about a missing mid.

[elder yew]

I think you are wrong on a point, that is people are not pinging ennemy missing on other lane. But i think you right on anything else.
Also if the menu was that simple, ofc pple will use it correctly and more frequently so there is a chance that people will not need "missing right, etc..." especially if you also have the option to open the map to apply your ping where you want

[elder yew]

please push up this post ! we needs features, we needs improve, we need a game that deserve the love we has !!

[eager elm]

I agree with you. I hope they publish a lot of new features in the up coming update.

Let's hope they do indeed listen to their own community and do indeed take notes (even if they do not engage with most of the threads at all).

[stiff sparrow]

Because hit scan takes less skill and 3d mobas are about skill shots. Hitscan was broken af in overprime let's not.

All the stuff you listed are things we have asked for all of EA and we still don't have them btw.

They only listen to what they want that's why we are borderline baby's first moba

[elder yew]

humm yeah thats why i made this post cause we got ignored

[stark lichen]

Agree except fountain

[candid loom]

@elder yew@toxic burrowthey can literally do this now if there's any ability that can steal objectives better than smite

[elder yew]

Yeah , there is no any issue to add health bar, this is just a mandatory thing that exist in any mobas

[elder yew]

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[elder yew]

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[restive basin]

I would like to add in for them to unfuck hero selection as it is no longer in alphabetical order and you cant pick a role to narrow it down anymore.

[timber sapphire]

I just want the original per role filter selection 😔

[restive basin]

Paragon or Pre 6 items?

[timber sapphire]

Predecessor pre character selection change. When we have a filter in the top with the roles to select and we could select offlaner filter and then pick the characters.

[restive basin]

yeah same

[timber sapphire]

It was easier to remember where the characters were when you removed 70% of the characters. Also the characters were ordered alphabetically as you said

I want to play an ADC character, I click ADC filter and I see my option