Communication and Omeda

[lethal estuary]

They always release the patch notes in the same schedule at the same time, which is good because that gives the players something stable to expect, but if the patch is getting out of the typical time frame, the normal and better thing to do is just communicate it

[fierce dagger]

agree

they should absolutely let us know if its delayed

its honestly garbage if they dont

[lethal estuary]

It feels bad from the player perspective

And the solution to avoid that and have a better situation is super easy and simple

[covert sedge]

Do you think we will at least get patch notes? New patch is not hitting the 3 week timeline and I hope we at least get SOMETHING

[lethal estuary]

I think that we are going to get the patch notes and the patch, as much the patch notes could be delayed to next Monday one day before the patch

We are still following the 3 week patch schedule, the patch is going to be released October 1st and the previous patch was released September 10

[covert sedge]

Ah ok fair enough. My math wasn’t mathing on that

[vernal cloak]

I honestly feel slightly sorry for our mods…like they kinda have to roll with the punches and try to stay objective in moments like these..

[atomic wedge]

not to long ago i was saying we should chill a bit cus new info soon now i look like a clown

[lethal estuary]

1 week after the 1.0 patch or "at the end of august" 💀

[hot horizon]

There we go

[atomic wedge]

i have been redeemed

[lethal estuary]

And no additional information, I think that the delay announcement could have been better if they have us the patch notes or if not the precise patch notes, a detailed enumerating the things of the patch

And the hero trailer and abilities

Like, ok the patch had to be delayed, but at least gives us some info instead of repeating what we already knew

[atomic wedge]

im sry boys i jinxed the update i was literally thinking about how we havent had any delays in a while and no one has commended omeda for that

lmao

[vernal cloak]

And again Steggs could’ve acknowledged that they were overly quiet but who cares

[astral badge]

Literally just drop the patch notes like normal

[main cairn]

Not only that the few things they did mention, it's hard to be excited about.

It's hard to be excited about my boy Narby getting Bash-o-Lantern again, when I know I can't afford it and even if I could - I wouldn't on principles alone. Plus Narbash just doesn't feel as enjoyable to play anymore, like he did in Paragon. I've moved away from him as a support. So no excitement there for me personally.

It's hard to be excited about Skylar coming soon, when we know literally nothing about them and from that new short description - I know they're going to be crazy AF on launch and just dominate wherever they are, then stay that way for about two or three weeks before we get a midpatch. So enjoy that busted character for a bit.

It's hard to be excited about new items and all those other things because there's nothing to work with there (besides the QoL announced by Ace) and we are now faced with potentially another week of silence.

More and more I'm convinced there's something internally going on with the way things are happening with the team, the game, and the community.

This is strange even by Omeda's standards tbh.

[vernal cloak]

My only question is if this will offset the patch cadence. Is it 6 weeks from when the delayed patch drops or 6 weeks from Oct 1st?

But yeah I won’t get an answer

[uncut girder]

I don’t think it will. I can ask

[vernal cloak]

That would be cool

[main cairn]

Most likely will have to be offset, unless they have progress already made towards the next, next patch and they just hit a snag on this next one. Which could be the case.

[vernal cloak]

Yeah I think so. Maaan watch how the numbers plummet in next 2 weeks

I do give them props for not releasing the 1.1 for steam but this might hurt the game

[main cairn]

This is a really rough time for the game. I don't know what's going on internally, but something needs to change.
This kinda of atmosphere and engagement farming/hype method of interaction is just not sustainable.
The way they monetize the game is not sustainable at their current player count. Maybe if this were a bigger game, but I can only imagine its hurting how many people actively want to put money into the game.
Nothing about this is really going to be able to endure in the long term.

[hot horizon]

I mean, I'm surprised how much certification proves a hurdle

Like, so many milestones there was "muh certification"

It's like they're developing this week for the next one, and things aren't really ready to release on time

[vernal cloak]

I understand the delay I am not tripping about that..they didn’t catch something in time…as long as they don’t offset the patch cadence and yeah…communication

[hot horizon]

I mean, I just find it a bit weird

And why don't I hear other companies having that issue

[vernal cloak]

I don’t think it’s on purpose- they need this Halloween patch to get paid

[hot horizon]

Oh, I'm not saying it is

I'm just saying I feel like mismanagement is running rampant behind the facade

[vernal cloak]

It feels like the inner departments are disconnected

[hot horizon]

Like, a content patch like this should be thrown for certification a month in advance, I'd say

And if they need to balance stuff until the very end... they need a new system to handle their balancing that doesn't depend on patches

[lethal estuary]

Well, that should be the case, this patch should be a build already prepared and ready to be released following Tuesday, it got only delayed for console certification things, so allegedly, this patch should be done and they should be already working on packing the following patch, so there should not be a reason for the next patch to go out of the schedule

[main cairn]

But as always, Omeda says one things and another is true. So we'll have to see the next, next patch.

[lethal estuary]

Yeah XD

I really think that the schedule will be moved

[main cairn]

Either that or we will get a rather light mid patch.

[lethal estuary]

Well, this content patch seems to also be really light. For what they said, seems that it will be just a tuning of what they released in the previous patch, finishing it in this patch

• the typical new hero and balance

[tired cosmos]

Hotfixes?

Basic changes that can be applied through the network they can lock heroes so this should be possible

[hot horizon]

Yeah, hotfixes at best

My point is, a content patch should be ready to launch, on the day it's supposed to launch

[tired cosmos]

Yeah especially with how overwhelmingly stale the game has gotten

[hot horizon]

Hotfixes, sure, I can understand that

But there should still be a QA department that has seen the worst of it

[tired cosmos]

Isnt the QA the closed branch testers?

[hot horizon]

Balancing heroes, unlocking them for purchase, that should be possible without making a new patch/hotfix

[tired cosmos]

Oh yeah currently overwhelmingly slow the same issue Planetside 2 had which killed player retention due to not being able to unlock new weapons at a reasonable time frame for free

I remembered spending a month's worth of grinding just to get 1 new weapon only to discover it is shit feelsbadman

[hot horizon]

For that one, I have no idea

I have no information who's on the QA team and such

[summer dagger]

the lack of communication with the delay is just a feels bad

no i don’t care about the delay, what i DO care about is how you haven’t acknowledged that you have been silent with the delay announcement and then offered no clarification as to how the patches will be cadenced afterwards

it’s really, really hard to understand and hype things up when it just always feels like something bad is happening

[mystic cradle]

Yea i mean its unfortunate but if we go from history anytime they have delayed that means all corresponding patches after are also delayed by the same time frame right. So since this patch is now aimed for October 8th that means three weeks from October 8th will be 1.1.1 patch

thats atleast what they usually do so i assume thats what they are gunna do here

[tiny agate]

They said they're adding new items

[tiny agate]

'Silent with the delay announcement'
I'm guessing they tried until time ran out to get the update to be available on console

[prisma meadow]

Classic delayed

[lethal estuary]

Adding new items is great, but in terms of improving the game doesn't change much, as for example could do the addition of new system like daily/weekly mission, HUD rework, better score board with a map to ping the map, auto walk to a position and thing like that

[tiny agate]

You're never happy are u
Yeah those are nice features but the items will (hopefully) change up the meta gameplay and make a bigger impact on the game and player base than a qol addition
Not to say they wouldn't be nice features, but actual content is nicer

[lethal estuary]

I replied to the comment saying "Either that or we will get a rather light mid patch", and I said that for what they announced it seems that this will be a light content patch because it seems that the things that we are getting are not big features, but more like light changes and a tuning of the past patch features

What part of that you don't understand?

By what they announced the patch seems a big content patch to you or what?

[summer dagger]

it is 100% okay to be hypercritical of corporations and developers
there is always room for improvement and criticism doesn’t always equate to dislike, but rather a love for the game to see it grow

predecessor has pretty far to go in terms of overall competitiveness with other mobas, and struggling this hard with communication about updates and barely acknowledging how this delay will affect the game moving forward and/or what they do to combat this next time is not a good look for a game this young

i’m not saying developing is an easy job, far from it
but without criticism how can you ever expect the team to get better for THEIR community if the community just grows complacent and “just be happy”

it’s just like everyone quoting their tweet on twitter and calling people who are complaining about the delays “babies” when their complaints are completely valid
we have gone so long with no official communication and the first thing we get is a lackluster response to a patch delay with no further information in regards to compensation or cadence

[tired cosmos]

this game has been complacent for months the meta hasnt changed since month three of release

[summer dagger]

giving them confirmation bias allows them to grow lazy and not care about oversights, like the problem with this patch, which, in turn, will just turn their new community away

[tired cosmos]

Well minus Brawl

but for the most part the game feels the same just worse in terms of how fun it is

[summer dagger]

they cannot keep banking on returning paragon players, especially since those returning are a mixed bag of either loving or hating predecessor
so please stop saying “you guys will never be happy” or “at least the patch is coming” that’s not the point.

[tiny agate]

Its not a small patch by any means
It might not have all the features you wanted but a new hero, new items, map makeover, ps trophies as well as balance changes isn't something to just write off

[tiny agate]

Hypercritical is one thing
Saying that a patch has nothing because it doesn't have the features that you want just doesn't make sense to me

[tiny agate]

Idek what u mean icl
Different heroes have been meta many times
Items get better or worse depending on the patch but tbf there aren't many items to choose from for each role etc so customisation is a bit limited
But with new items coming in this patch and im assuming in the future, that will only get better

[lean peak]

Can’t make them happy @tiny agate

[tiny agate]

Nope
Unless they add every single feature they ask for in 1 balance patch lol
Key words are 'balance patch'

[neon lichen]

No, improving the game is way better than some Items tbh. New Items are cool and all but they could just nerf the meta Items and buff the shit items and boom we have 20 "new" items that get not picked otherwise.

[tiny agate]

There aren't that many items to be able to do that
And finding the right balance is very important

Having new items with new effects is very important

[main cairn]

Having the team communicate with us is very important.

Having proper base game features that should've launched not just at 1.0 but before 1.0, was/is important.

[lethal estuary]

Its a small content patch. new hero is something that we have in all the content patches, the same as balance that usually is jsut number sifting and nothing more, the new map is cool but is something temporal that will just last a few patches, PS trophies is just adding to Playstation the achievements that are already on Xbox

[main cairn]

This is dragging behind. We act like Omeda can afford to take their sweet ass time with these things.

They are behind games even a decade old.

They are still struggling to catch up to mechanics from a game they are copying.

You're right, new items are important and nice.

But new items should be coming when we have other important base game features and things in.

They should focusing on those things and knocking them out as swiftly as possible.

It shoudl've been done in EA.

[uncut girder]

Another reminder to keep the thread on the topic of communication and not missing features

It’ll be my last warning before it gets locked

[main cairn]

Communication and missing features go hand and hand, and it's extremely rude to tell me you're going to lock the thread when the literally beginning of my statement begins with "Havinfg the team communicate with us is very important"

But whatever. I said my piece anyway.

[tiny agate]

You can make a new thread ig

But we move

[main cairn]

We already have a missing features thread.

But I gotta be careful there because If I talk about communication it'll get that thread locked so. Gotta keep it on topic there too.

[tiny agate]

...then go type in it

[main cairn]

I have, said my pieces there too?

[tiny agate]

Then why u saying it again?????

[main cairn]

I dunno, maybe because it was in response to a statement you made???

What a wild idea huh?

Responding to people?

Crazy

[tiny agate]

Lmfao

[kindred ibex]

@main cairn if you wanna bring up missing features please try and tie it towards communication in some way, doesn’t have to be crazy. Just so it still fits into this discussion

and @tiny agate you don’t need to give these type of responses at all, they also help in derailing the thread please refrain

[main cairn]

I don't know how much more I can tie it to communication when the beginning of the statement literally begins with "having the team communicate with us is very important", but I will attempt to keep it more succinct in the future. Apologies.

[tiny agate]

Yeah u right
The clown emojis help a lot tho :p

[kindred ibex]

thank you, I know it can be annoying but it really helps and I appreciate it 🧘

[kindred ibex]

obviously they don’t but the comment you also made did not help at all

[vernal cloak]

@uncut girder you around?

[uncut girder]

Yep?

[summer dagger]

i wasn’t talking about features?? i was talking about communication ON certain features but i could care less about features being implemented
What i want is COMMUNICATION on WHEN they would be implemented stop trying to derail the convo by saying we are “complaining about features” so you can turn this into a locked thread

also love that you admitted to literally trolling in here i sure hope action was taken against that

[tiny agate]

Muglok started talking about features before I did
I was talking about features when you replied to me, so idk what ur on about there.

[tiny agate]

I didnt troll but okay
And I was asked to leave it, so I did. I wont reply anymore cos I dont want it to be closed despite your beliefs.

[lethal estuary]

I just replied to 2 comments, adding a little insight from my part that started and ended with that comment, I didn't start any conversation, you are the one that started to reply to me talking about something out of topic and continued replying following that conversation

[uncut girder]

Alright. End of convo now

Gonna draw the line here

Both myself and koreok have asked you to all stop

[lethal estuary]

And going back to the topic, I want to reemphasize something I said before about the tweet of the hippopotamus. Omeda has made a post showing the new items and doing a little guessing game to relate the item passive ability with the art of the items, and when this is something really cool and engaging for the community, as they do this while being completely silent like the 90% of the rest of the time, doing this end feeling like giving crumbs to the people instead of giving the real info once and for all

Having bad communication the majority of the time makes that the things that usually would be considered like good and engaging for the community also loses value

Because THAT is the only information they give, and not a cool extra to maintain the community engaged in the game. We need the base communication to good and solid, and when that is done they can complement it with jokes, memes, and guess games, instead of those memes and guess games to be all the information

[grand cave]

they also need to stop posting some things only on twitter, cause that's not where main community is

i still don't understand that logic of posting specific things on twitter and then not even reposting it here

[uncut girder]

I will say that they should be manually posting it here. But we do have #📨│social-feed that shows all the tweets

[main cairn]

I think it's in the social feed rn no?

[uncut girder]

Also they don’t just share it on Twitter. But also Facebook and Instagram

[main cairn]

It gets posted there at least, it's just hard to actually see it because you have to enable that channel and its notifications.

[uncut girder]

It is. But what I’m saying is although it is there. IMO they should post it with the @ news tag so people are alerted to it

[main cairn]

Oh yeah for sure, 100% agreed.

[uncut girder]

That’s a discord thing unfortunately:/

[grand cave]

that doesn't make it any better cause you make your community sit in even more platforms instead of gathering all that info in the same place

[grand cave]

if only i could still use twitter, instagram and etc in russia

[uncut girder]

But it is? I don’t understand your complaint here.

All the info is shared on all three social media platforms. And the tweets are reposted in #📨│social-feed All the social media’s get all the info

[grand cave]

oopsie

[grand cave]

i still have to have accounts in these platforms and visit them everytime there are news in this channel and as i said as a citizen of russia i personally can't access any of these news without vpn which i don't use

[uncut girder]

But they should show up in #📨│social-feed no?

Cos they’re an embed

[grand cave]

they show, but websites can't load without vpn

[uncut girder]

I see. I can understand it then.

Which is why I agree they should post it manually here too

[grand cave]

yes, that's what i ask

[tiny agate]

Omeda talk more

[waxen cypress]

I like the idea that two people down voted this thread.
As if it is to much to ask the Studio that is developing the game to communicate more.
Also, did they even give counter arguments for why this post should be down voted or against the argument brought forward by OP?
Doesn't seem like it.

[tiny agate]

I think the down votes are more to do with the things said in the thread etc rather than the premise of the thread
But I could be wrong

[waxen cypress]

Hmm, could be.

It would be nice if people who down vote a thread would give arguments for the reason they down voted.
I am not saying it because I believe them to be wrong, I simply would like to hear their side of the story and why they believe in what the believe.

[tiny agate]

Ah but there's the issue
People don't like it when people give an opinion thats different to their own 🤷‍♂️

[last stirrup]

@unique spear

I agree with all your post said

Sucks posting feedback into the abyss with no communication back. They can tell us that they read them but may not respond

[unique spear]

100%

[last stirrup]

But its discouraging that we've been repeating the same issues over and over

So even if they do read our feedback, they dont listen

[unique spear]

That's what it -feels- like. Right?

[last stirrup]

Its been made clear multiple times that #1271418718324264960 is a vocal minority

But to me, numbers dont look great

So there is clearly room for improvmenet

[unique spear]

And great. Onion locked my thread.

So it will never be read now...

[last stirrup]

62% Mixed reviews on Steam aint great lol

[unique spear]

Cause he said it more belongs I'm this cluster of a mega thread

[uncut girder]

i locked it, not closed it

theres a difference

[unique spear]

It's not even entirely about communication tho

[last stirrup]

I dont blame Onion. Just enforcing the rules

[unique spear]

I don't either...

[uncut girder]

but yeah not repeating my points here

[unique spear]

It just sucks

But the entire post isn't even about lack of communication. It's more than that.

But whatever. I'll take the L.

[uncut girder]

and theres lots of threads already posted on the topics u mentioned

[unique spear]

Whatever u say man.

I guess I'll just copy pasta that all here.

So it can get overshadowed

In 1hr.

Maybe I'm just salty. But yeah... title.

Like we give lots of feedback, but then I feel like it's not heard or spoken on. Maybe this goes into the lack of communication thread. Which has any official team spoke on that yet?

We sometime very clearly mention reoccurring things over and over but I don't feel like nothing changes.

I feel like this game is hell-bent on focusing on min-maxing items and hero balance. They aren't worried about adding more fun elements and features into the game. They're more focused on decreasing base power by 5, but increasing scaling by 10%.

I know we have a Halloween makeover, new hero, and a few more items coming soon.

But what about some of the features we've been asking for, for the past 2 years?

A big one being in game chat at the main menu. It's a lot of seemingly little things (and I know they aren't little in building and executing)

Another thing that I've seen thrown around a lot is a proper news tab in game. You know, since communication isn't the best. Not everyone reads the tweets. Not everyone is in the discord, not everyone gets on reddit. Twitch drops news, and other such things like the features delay might be served well on a platter in the news tab in-game.

Heck we don't even know if a friend invited us to a party if we weren't by the computer. There's no socials notification.

The entire UI update was a step backwards in terms of look and feel and we've cried about it since it came out. But has anyone said anything like "oh it will get better"

Again, maybe I'm tripping. Mayve I'm just salty. But I'm starting to feel like no1 is really really hearing us. Maybe they see it. But are they acting on it too?

I hate to be a Debbie downer. Because i know omeda is trying their best. And the game is nice. I'm not trying to be negative or nothing.

[last stirrup]

More often than not, veterans of the game leave or play less. Something needs changing definitely

[uncut girder]

i think if communication was better regardless of the "missing features" and dissapointment of things. It could be forgiven cos we would know why

[last stirrup]

Exactly

I want to know more. What they thinking

What they wanna do

[uncut girder]

i mean ace mentioned theyre looking into vidocs or something similar for 1.2

hopefully it continues

[last stirrup]

They used to do update videos. Why not continue?

[uncut girder]

yeah exactly

[last stirrup]

Yeah. We need engagement and an easy way to digest information/news

[unique spear]

Too focused on min-maxing stats.

[last stirrup]

Min maxing our wallets

[unique spear]

That too

[uncut girder]

lets not, we were having a mature discussion

dont ruin it

[tiny agate]

in balance patches yeah i get that
but it looks decent for this patch, adn then well see again in 7 weeks

[last stirrup]

Tbh I dont want changes for the game any more than I want changes at Omeda

I feel like they are at an awkward place where they are indie with a huge ambitious title and became corporate too quick, if you get what I mean. Just another same ol' studio like the rest of them. Not special than the rest

The Omeda I learned to trust was community first with dev streams

Ofc they have to grow but something dont feel right anymore

[unique spear]

I think we all have a hunch. And its as you mentioned earlier with your min maxing. Comment.

But let's stay on topic or onion gonna ban us!

🔨🔨

[last stirrup]

Not ban us but forced to lock the thread. But yeah, more communication about the game and about Omeda themselves would be appreciated. They are a black box with little to no transparency

Id love to know more about their internal struggles. Their ideas, their brainstorming. Their development cycle. Their process for new features. The talented people that do the work.

Idk man

[unique spear]

We need a few community ambassadors who has access to help get sentiment from the gamers and community. Process the data. Relay it to omeda. Then omeda officially releases communication on what the ambassadors found.

Idk.. something like that.

[last stirrup]

Its what CMs are for

[unique spear]

Amazon games, new world MMO. Did this. They made videos all the time. Introducing you to new people who work on the team.

[last stirrup]

Id love that from Omeda

[unique spear]

Oh right. The CM. When we last hear from a CM?

[last stirrup]

Of course everything takes resources and its up to Omeda on how much they want to allocate for communication and community engagement

[unique spear]

But that's crazy.

Cause community engagement is everything for a game at this current level

It's like trying to be a social media influencer who doesn't engage with their community. It doesn't work.

[last stirrup]

We're just numbers

[unique spear]

You can't make a indie game. With a small pop of dedicated fans playing and not engage with us. It's like a 1000 sub youtuber not engaging with audience. It doesn't work.

[last stirrup]

Its how It feels like, anyways

[unique spear]

Agreed.

Has anyone from omeda made a comment on this megathread?

[unique spear]

Wow. I spent the time scrolling thru this thread. Kinda quickly albeit. And not a single peep from anyone on the omeda team.

Ironic actually. A thread about their communication.

Thread is viral asf. 1k+ comments.

Not a word from them on anything. Are they even reading any of this????

Demoralizing to say the least.

[old merlin]

Communication seems to be lacking severely. Im sure they don't really wanna talk especially with the patch delay.

[lethal estuary]

They don't wanna talk at any moment, not with the patch delay, not 1 week before the patch or 2 weeks or 3 weeks or.... They just follow their schedule of start doing some teaser 1 week before big patch with some sneak peek the video of the hero and things like that, then they release the patch notes, and then they go in complete radio silence mode for the next patch and repeat

Sincerely, seems that they have bad communication because they don't wanna talk, because its not that hard from time to time to communicate with your players

[last stirrup]

They dont wanna talk or they got nothing to talk about?

[hot horizon]

Omeda have become the thing they swore to destroy

We're just data points now, what the hell is a community

[atomic wedge]

always has been

[hot horizon]

Looking for investors was a mistake

[atomic wedge]

DW guys ill alter the timeline and make it so valve picks up the IP

[summer dagger]

it was super duper sad to see that ace responded to a thread with 3 comments asking about the affinity crowns and is no where in this thread that is consistently the first one you see

i get he is the ceo and has to watch what he says but honestly even just a reaction would do wonders

no one in here is bashing on them (kinda.) we just want to know wtf is going on 😭

[unique spear]

@usgeneral he almost never watches what he says tho. Lmao!

But that's besides the point.

[summer dagger]

that is also true 😭

it’s like you said before crazi, a game at this current level of investment and populace cannot afford to be silent and ignore its community

[unique spear]

Communication is what gives us hope to hold out for future developments...

But rn I just feel ignored.

Makes me not want 2 play.

[summer dagger]

it’s not even close to the level of say, smite, LOL, overwatch, warframe etc, games that will survive no matter what because of the sheer amount of popularity or fanbase

i would argue that those top games interact with their community more consistently to, or at least show they listen

[hot horizon]

I mean, it'd also be good if we don't get a PR-ish response, but see actual change

[summer dagger]

i’d also argue that now is not the time to be silent either
the game is not in its best state, we had an ENTIRE patch delayed from an oversight that probably should’ve been caught, new people are quitting in droves, it’s a very bad look all around

[hot horizon]

Like, for their new OG, I'd be so much more excited if I knew what the hero does as a unique playstyle, rather than... seeing thousand-yard-stare busts again and again

[summer dagger]

and then you have people on twitter and tiktok excusing the silence and attacking people for speaking out calling them “selfish”

[hot horizon]

TBH it was a problem with Argus as well, his trailer was absolute dogshit

[atomic wedge]

i mean they did say its an aerial focused style

[summer dagger]

their own community is in shambles and they can’t even have the decency to address either side

and that’s all they said

[hot horizon]

Problem is, a lot of those are former Paragon players that are just on the mindset of "parmsan is bac, thank u omeda, u saved my life" and they don't acknowledge anything

[summer dagger]

i’m sorry she releases in like 6 days now?? we should know a bit more about her

[hot horizon]

I'd argue a majority of the playerbase is from that group

[summer dagger]

i’d support that argument

omeda is just banking on nostalgia atp

[hot horizon]

When the playerbase is always bootlicking and giving feedback that's "pls keep this same as parmsan", of course the data would be that the game has to be boring

Aaaaand we can see that in the player numbers of a "full release"

[summer dagger]

which is even more bogus bc they take heroes, gut them, and make them so boring and cookie cutter and not unique in anyway like paragon but that’s a topic for another day

[hot horizon]

They somehow have a situation where the community attacks anyone with any criticism, and think the game is a 10/10 when it is fucking not

[summer dagger]

oh and to keep the thread “on topic” don’t tell you what they are doing to your favorite hero so when they release a boring shell of their former iteration

[atomic wedge]

eh preds hero design is mostly superior to original paragons

[last stirrup]

But dw 2 million players!!!

[summer dagger]

not the thread for this but i very respectfully disagree

[hot horizon]

To quote the man that lives in a junkyard: "If your game has 2 million players, why haven't I heard of it"

[last stirrup]

I agree. Definitely good changes. So uh guys, communication am I right?

[summer dagger]

don’t you love having to walk on glass so your thread doesn’t get locked lmao

n e ways

[atomic wedge]

yea hopefully hero trailer tmr i think ?

[summer dagger]

i hope they actually put some effort into this trailer tomorrow (or whenever)

[hot horizon]

We'll see if the trailer shows off more than 1 ability and autoattacks :)

[last stirrup]

I get that it has 2 million players/downloads, no issue there. But why put it everywhere? When the active player count is in the 4 to 5 digits during peak, and not even a good 5 digit.

I dont get it tbh

I cant wait to see the trailer tbh

[summer dagger]

2 million downloads and then 1 million offloads

it’s the sad reality

[hot horizon]

Everyone can check the stats, see that the player counts are low, and just ignore the game

Doesn't help the trailers look like mobile garbage

[summer dagger]

i have tried to get my friends (who have been looking for something new to play like this for ages and LOVED paragon) only to realize that…i can’t really show them how to play bc features are lacking, i can’t direct them to developer comments bc their are none, and the most engagement they get are teaser images or retweeted replays from the same 5 streamers

needless to say they played 5 games then deleted it

[last stirrup]

Released product btw.

Back on topic, they shoudve communicated the plan to release in advance

[summer dagger]

no very much

[last stirrup]

So we could voice our worries before

So they can course correct

[summer dagger]

1.0 was so rushed

[hot horizon]

We don't even have a roadmap and we're entering October

[summer dagger]

i’m sorry why would you cave into your investor like that

looking for an investor this early was such a fucking mistake

[last stirrup]

Asset store item art btw

Not a mistake

Ace isnt an idiot, quite the opposite

But also its wrong to point fingers at a person / single decision

I saw that lol

[summer dagger]

tea

[last stirrup]

But more or less, he is a businessman

And what he did is "good" for business

But in return, we get just another corporation

Nothing special

[summer dagger]

just because it is good doesn’t mean it’s the right decision

[last stirrup]

I agree

[summer dagger]

i do get it don’t get me wrong

but we needed communication on this

[last stirrup]

Definitely

[summer dagger]

the game had no foothold yet and suddenly it’s getting rushed into full release?

[last stirrup]

People dont even know about the "new" director at the Company

Just a background guy, probably pulling god knows how many strings

[summer dagger]

is it a good decision? yes
but now the devs answer to someone else

so no matter what they no longer have full control over this game, whether in a small or big way

[last stirrup]

Tbh the industry just sucks in general

Its tough being indie

[summer dagger]

and the smallest decision can cost them this entire project

it is

[last stirrup]

I dont think Pred is dead or dying. But its not moving in the righr direction or at least the wrong decisions are being made

Pred id quite stable atm

Very slow decline but thats to be expected as with all other games

But the game was pulling more numbers during EA than on release

[summer dagger]

but i would argue that pred was in a better position than some/most and probably could’ve waited a bit longer before deciding to look for investors to make sure that they would be the absolute right fit

[last stirrup]

Id want to have communication on the state of the game and what they think. What their plan is to increase the player count

They no longer can hide behind the "We dont need players right now"

Game released. We're not EA

What we need rn are players

[summer dagger]

and we also need dedicated departments to community feedback, artwork, visuals, etc

[last stirrup]

They got those already

[summer dagger]

…

they do?

OOF

[last stirrup]

CMs are for community engagement and partly to take feedback.

[summer dagger]

n e wayz

[last stirrup]

They got artists but god knows why we dont have original item art in a released product

[hot horizon]

... Do we even have names of the hero artists?

[summer dagger]

and why all of the promotional images are just jpegs spliced together with a generic background

[hot horizon]

I feel like there's 0 credit given around

[last stirrup]

We have a name for a person who does a lot of art including the stickers/emotes. But its not fair to name drop them

[summer dagger]

i saw someone get credit for the kira artwork

that is not featured anywhere in game

[hot horizon]

Yeah, but I mean like

[last stirrup]

Concept artists?

[hot horizon]

For League, you have a dedicated designer who made the kit, visual designers, artists, and so on

And you know the names

[last stirrup]

Oh yeah, I agree

We need a mf CertainlyT in this B

[hot horizon]

I feel like we have 0 of that in Pred

[last stirrup]

We're missing interesting and frustrating hero kits

We need a person to blame

[hot horizon]

The kits are frustrating in a less interesting way, but anyway, off-topic

[summer dagger]

cries in paragon zinx main

[last stirrup]

I meant someone to do what Mr CertainlyT did in League. Introduce those kind of kits

But yeah, id love communication on like, kit designs and all that

Love reading dev logs in League

To get back on topic

[last stirrup]

Those existed?

[summer dagger]

yes! and have detailed videos describing the idea behind the hero and why they are needed

[summer dagger]

i’ll have you know i was #3 of 6 zinx players 😤😤

[hot horizon]

My agora.gg stats ended with me having a 12.0 KDA with Zinx

Out of some dozens of games

[last stirrup]

Here's #2

[summer dagger]

queen status

but yeah it would be very nice for them to elaborate on why they designed the hero this way

[last stirrup]

We need dev logs

[summer dagger]

for the past couple of releases they just threw the heroes out and were like “here! figure them out yourself”

[last stirrup]

Id make a feedback post but it would get locked and referred back to here

[summer dagger]

yup

i still think that rule is very stupid but i digress

people would be more hyped for heroes too if they actually communicated on the design

[last stirrup]

I think its too aggressively enforced. Some ideas and feedback overlap together but they get locked and referred back to a more general post like this. Which makes the idea/feedback lose its significance and just enter a melting pot of ideas

[summer dagger]

it shows how much time, care, and effort when into creating them and lets people know even the devs care about their fave hero

i get it, but lock the spam threads and actually let the thought out ones flourish

9/10 the nuance thread will go in a complete different direction than the broad thread

[last stirrup]

Both is good. We need a general discussion about the broader topic but also allow for more specific posts to exist

But

This is what Omeda wants

Voicing our ideas into the abyss but ngl

Nothing changed since last feedback channel

[summer dagger]

YURP

having the “no repeat topics” is just a way to silence the community

[last stirrup]

I wouldnt go that far tbh. I dont think its ill intent

[summer dagger]

it’s a way to feign ignorance
easier to ignore one mega thread than 7 sub threads

but i digress

[kindred ibex]

If the feedback post is just on this then I don’t see why it can’t exist. Obviously it’s about communication in general but specific enough to be its own idea I fear

[summer dagger]

well some people have a few too many layers

[last stirrup]

Lmao the subtleness

[kindred ibex]

[last stirrup]

I might make a post abt dev logs when I got the time

But im happy for @summer dagger to take the wheel and make one yourself

[summer dagger]

i say go for it! dev logs are uber important in my opinion

i would but i’m afraid i’m on someone’s bad side currently

[last stirrup]

But dont include a link to League's dev logs as a reference cos they'll delete it cos we cant have external urls for god knows why

Lol

Ill do it on Monday when I got the time and I remember to

[summer dagger]

u know what else would be cool!!

lore posts

[last stirrup]

FOR REAL

[kindred ibex]

It’s not about bad side, I already said it’s okay here so if anything I’ll get in trouble. But genuinely there’s no bad side, just someone doing what they’re supposed to be doing

[last stirrup]

Where's the lore

[kindred ibex]

[summer dagger]

do we have like a lore person?

[last stirrup]

Dont think so

Damn

Its 1.0 and so much is missing.

[uncut girder]

if youre using links as an example then its fine, when we mean external links we mean other discord and other things that shouldnt be allowed in said discord

[last stirrup]

Id love some weekly/monthly lore posts

[summer dagger]

communication can also come in those

it lets people know that the devs are interested in stuff outside of the game too

[last stirrup]

Thank you for clarification. But iirc a post/message was removed for including a link to an article that was relevant to what they were talking about

But I'll go ahead and include a devlog post to reference in my post

[uncut girder]

i see, but yeah im permitting you to since if provides some reference to what ur feedback suggests

[summer dagger]

i don’t know what lore was retconned but paragon put some ground work for every interesting lore they could piggyback off of

[last stirrup]

Yeah. People love discussing fiction. Especially like Runeterra. Such an interesting piece. The characters, the map. Valoran is so cool. I wish Omeda would aim to build such a universe

[summer dagger]

like kallari/wraith feud, howitzer, phase, zinx basically being siblings

[last stirrup]

Tbh even some communication on their plans for lore. It hasnt even been mentioned since 1.0 iirc?

[summer dagger]

excellent way to get community engagement too

[last stirrup]

Do they continue Paragon? Use as a reference? Something different? Is it already in the works?

Give us lore heads something

[summer dagger]

do they have any positions open for writers? i’ve been an independent writer for a couple years now, i would love to help them contract written work

*also another way to get the community involved too

[last stirrup]

Check out their open positions from their website and linkedin. Another person you could try contacting is Kari about your experience and interest in the field. Should also probably explain how you think it would benefit the company and the game

So they have a better understanding of the importance of the role

[summer dagger]

didn’t league have community run lore posts at one point?

[last stirrup]

Ages ago

[summer dagger]

it wasn’t handled the best but that’s also a way to get ppl interested

[last stirrup]

All of that has been retconned since

[summer dagger]

i knew about that sadly

i had a friend who’s lore got retconned

sad day

[hollow citrus]

Too be fair we’ve been talking about that for like a year as well

[last stirrup]

We've been talking about a lot of things for a while

I think what Omeda should do is use a tag bot to answer and direct people to commonly asked / discussed topics

[summer dagger]

but!!! i do think it would be uber cool to have little community writing competitions, and then if someone wrote something relevant and cool enough they get a reward and their lore gets integrated

[summer dagger]

TEA

[last stirrup]

So we dont have to go in circles as a community

[summer dagger]

removes a lot of work for the mods too

[last stirrup]

Definitely

[summer dagger]

i know i shade yall a lot but i do understand you are just doing what is asked of you

[last stirrup]

Omeda, hire me. I will make #1271418718324264960 great again

[last stirrup]

Yeah. I love and hate the game and community.

Its complicated

[summer dagger]

unfortunately it doesn’t make it any less frustrating nor is there anyone else to direct anger at

i ru-pologize every day to you guys, you still do good work

[last stirrup]

Mods keep the chaos to a minimum. So we can focus on more important topics like bikini narbash skin.

Anyways back on topic, communication am I right

[summer dagger]

or butt booty naked oiled up wraith skin

[summer dagger]

i need to make that thread remind me

look all i’m saying is that some games understand their audience, and i fear all we want is to see wraith oiled up in a compromising position

[hollow citrus]

Yeah idk I personally just am riding the wave with it. Every major patch we get slivers of hope things will improve but they don’t. I’m not being negative either but we’ve all voiced our opinions on what’s wrong so much they can’t claim ignorance anymore. They do recognize it as well but their response is different priorities but there are things that for a 1.0 game should be in at this point that aren’t

[summer dagger]

it feels like that’s all we can do atp

they are the only communication we get

[hollow citrus]

We’ve gotten reasons why the lobby chat and personal chats aren’t in the game yet. But idk why they don’t prioritize on making it

[summer dagger]

because they won’t communicate as to why they aren’t important

[last stirrup]

Definitely. No way to stay social in-game without going to a third party

Id love communication on WIP systems / features that the community has been asking for years

[hollow citrus]

I personally don’t play the game as much anymore because it just currently feels stale

Ranked brought back excitement but even that is starting to feel blah

[last stirrup]

I havnt for months because of that. I stay up to date with updates (since I have to for @jolly vector ), but havnt rlly touched it. Im waiting for something grand

[summer dagger]

okay i may have to talk to kari

all current open positions are for engineering

i’m too stupid for that i fear

[last stirrup]

Still? They've had open positions for those for ages

[summer dagger]

OOF

[last stirrup]

Job market is fr skrewed

[summer dagger]

im sorry this is in the thread forgive me mods but does anyone have know the best way to get in touch with kari?

[last stirrup]

She is on vacation rn afaik but send her a DM on Discord and should get back to you

[summer dagger]

thank you diva

okay back to topic!

[main cairn]

Frankly, imo, the reason we don't see Ace doing much of any commenting on this thread; Is because it would probably devolve into an argument that makes him spout a similar statement to the "1000's hrs" one and I have to think the team wasn't too thrilled with him after that.

Look how swiftly that thread got shut down. Look at how little Ace talks now. Look at how most of our community interaction is only through Jshredz, CM's and mods. Thats it. No one else from the team has really said anything in almost a month. There are a few here and there that are sporadic and closer to only being a few weeks silent.

But still.

A few weeks silence is a few weeks too much.

[main cairn]

Also we just launched 1.0 and had a huge Gamescon hooplah. This is quite literally the WORST time to go silent because this was the time most eyes were on us.

[main cairn]

I mean technically they did. Just not LONG before. They gave us like two weeks or so yeah? And during those two weeks before the 1.0 drop EVERYONe was going "Uhh..hey yeah love the game but I don't think this is 1.0 ready?"

[main cairn]

The Haveli Investments Head?

[last stirrup]

Player base barely moved on release. It got no extra eyes tbh

[last stirrup]

Not enough time to course correct

[summer dagger]

let’s be honest

the only reason they pushed 1.0 was to remove that “early release”tag

access*^

[last stirrup]

Also I wanted more along the lines of "we plant to release around X, and we think we're ready to release cos of Y". Instead we got:
"We're releasing lol"

[last stirrup]

Yeah. Nothing else changed

[summer dagger]

i’m gonna be honest, and maybe this is copium

but maybe MAYBE

the devs actually realized they rushed 1.0 too quickly and the la k of communication has been because they are all hands on deck to finish it

[main cairn]

Technically since Argus, since that was the last time we've really had any significant lore drops - besides flavor texts here and there.

[summer dagger]

of course argus was our last lore drop 🙄

[main cairn]

Seriously. Especially since the game is called Predecessor. It's really weird to have a game that comes after another game (based upon previous game btw) to be called Predecessor.

It has to be a lore thing that someone puts this game before Paragons lore. That would be the only way the name Pred makes sense.

[summer dagger]

lore could also provide as to why heroes kits changed

[main cairn]

Thank you. Very well said.

Absolutely correct too. Omeda cannot claim ignorance at this point anymore. Especially since they've said multiple times that they read and internally action all feedback.

[summer dagger]

like maybe zinx continued her research on her “dirty healing” and is now able to heal someone so rapidly that they get revived

[main cairn]

Frankly, because all the extra eyes we got thought this was Concord LMAO

Or Deadlock.

[summer dagger]

kallari was able to hone her skill on death sentence, condensing its range for a more targeted burst

to keep up with kallari, wraith put more emphasis on his stealth gear

etc

[main cairn]

Literally. They screwed themselves over by going onto consoles too quickly without having the proper procedures planned out; Then when it got too spicy, they had to rush everything in order to bypass the problem they had created for themselves.

[main cairn]

Lmao seriously. Its crazy. And there was like no turning back from that point by the announcement. It makes me wonder why they even ask us anything because half the time it seems like they're already full steam + with no ability to turn back.

[summer dagger]

i also think lore and hero design need to be a little more intertwined but that’s a topic for another day

like i fully thought that zarus was going to work with a stack mechanic (like sevarog) and get more powerful as the game goes on as he is “ascending”

no bc as im talking about this i realize how much stuff is quite literally just thrown at us

[hollow citrus]

As much as I love Console and the console community I wish they would’ve waited on console release

It could’ve helped with them pushing out patches quicker

[hot horizon]

Shoot first, gather data later*

* Said data may or may not involve actually reading feedback, and gathering feedback doesn't mean it'll be acted upon

[carmine wind]

The veil really got lifted quickly on this one. They need to communicate more but also they need someone dedicated to it. Ace has said some stuff here and there that are major turn offs to the game and seem so massively out of touch. This dev just seems to be wheelspinning and goalpost moving since the go. They've betrayed all the prerelease fluff and don't seem committed to putting out a positive image of themselves as a devs

[rich ingot]

Those companies already have content and a very steady cycle of patches, and they are smart enough to not have. Issue with consoles.

Omeda lacks leadership and management

[atomic wedge]

this is an experience diff warframe literally had delays for similar reasons till they mastered it

DE was known as DElayed by the players

[main cairn]

It really is. Warframe actually suffered many of the same similar problems that Pred is right now. However, the difference was - DE communicated and was heavily active in its community & they developed systems that solved/worked-around their issues.

Their monetization for Prime Access' can be less than desireable, but at least I can access 90% of the cosmetics through grinding.

[atomic wedge]

it also helps that they are super clear with the monetization and actually communicate what their pricing goals are

and we see where that shit is going to tennocon for example

[vernal cloak]

Thank you all for making this thread go viral, but in reality GO FULL TRUTH! Ace and/or anyone from Omeda will not acknowledge this megathread as it grew in exposing Omedas shortcomings when it comes to communication issue. (And whatever they say this late in the thread will just add more fuel to the fire. This is a forest-fire and they got one small fire extinguisher). We offered ideas, solutions, suggestions and we asked the right logical questions, and yet, we got nothing in return throughout these weeks. Mods did more for this communication question then any of the CMs (I don’t care about their individual roles, someone should’ve stepped in)…earlier I told guys that the silence on this speaks louder then their answers and I meant it. I know where I now stand with Predecessor. @uncut girder lock this brother, Thank you for everything.

[hot horizon]

o7

[summer dagger]

it is your thread and i respect your decision 100% but i would highly suggest leaving it unlocked

from what i can tell, this is not going to be the first time a feedback thread will be needed and adding to the comment count will further put a boot on omedas throat, they can’t ignore a thread with 1k comments forever, esp if it keeps popping back up at the top of their list

[sick pond]

I'd not recommend getting it locked either.

Remember my big thread whenever 1.0 dropped, talking about the "buy skin" button they added? I asked for it to be locked and it fell into the abyss complete.

The same will happen here. The devs doesn't care enough to give it a thorough read. If they did read, we'd see responses or appropriate changes or at least feel acknowledged.

[last stirrup]

Honestly, lock it so all the good ideas and feedback doesnt sink lower. Im sure someone at Omeda will read all of this or at least have some good take aways from the latest discussion

Continue to discuss this is just going in circles. Im sure Omeda knows whats up

[sick pond]

Are you really sure though? 😔

[last stirrup]

Definitely.

[summer dagger]

i would leave it open until someone at omeda responds and lets us know they ACTUALLY read this and are ACTUALLY going to do something

until then it may just have to be circles

[lethal estuary]

I would prefer let it unlocked, this topic is not something that you say to the air and then do nothing waiting for it magically be resolved, if communication doesn't improve this topic will continue being important, and we will continue seeing instances when Omeda doesn't communicate properly with the community, and it's good to have a place to go and express our concerns about it. It can be a new thread, but having this one with so many comments and so many concerns already written, I don't see a reason to lock this thread to then have to do a new one

Creating threads to then lock them and having to create them again to repeat the same makes no sense. Doing that the only thing that does is erasing all the comments and reaction, so we have to start from 0 each time that we create a new thread about the same topic

[uncut girder]

I agree. I’m leaving this unlocked so we can have one thread with all the community concerns on it

Or until there is an Omeda response

[vernal cloak]

Banger decision - I agree as well.

[last stirrup]

https://discord.com/channels/389767672151146498/1290308067245690964

[rich ingot]

Omeda ain't gonna succumb to talking to the community. Community has been outraged with the toxic mates and minimal policing

Wether they respond or not, won't change development speed or effect 90% of the base

I mean alot of the PCC cast, streamers etc barely, if at all, talk on here

It's just the same people here

Still no roadmap release after nearly 2 months from gamescon

Honestly better that way

[tiny agate]

it hasnt even been a month and a half

[rich ingot]

Wasn't it august 20th?

Or 13th?

[tiny agate]

august 20th iirc
online it says gamescom was 21st-25th
but either way it hasnt veen a month and a half

[rich ingot]

True true

Time does fly

Unlike the communication

[unique spear]

I seriously do wonder why.... why hasn't a single official staff member not addressed this post? Are they truly ignoring it?

What's the point of feedback???

[last stirrup]

A post about the lack of communication gets no communication

Classic

[unique spear]

It's mind boggling because this post is old now too.

I fear this post is TOO big.
Omeda will see this. Read the title. Go oh, we need to communicate more. And not actually listen to what we are saying. How could they? It's like 2k comments in this.

But that goes into the whole bad communication thing. Because listening is also communicating

[main cairn]

No shit?
Wow.
That's far more aggravating knowing that tbh.

So just nobodies bothered to chime in huh?

Wonderful. Love where this game and its community is headed rn.

[rich ingot]

they ahve bug reprot, say they read and look at a of them, i have a buff with 1 unlisted viewer and thats me.

they dont look

they dont care

[summer dagger]

now clock that tea

[rich ingot]

atleat about me that is.

[vernal cloak]

Just to clarify - guessing a mod deleted this as my statement was not credible (or a way to fact check my source that Omeda knew about this feedback thread) so yeah guys - Omeda for all intents and purposes does not know about this thread lol

[main cairn]

Oh I'm SURE they don't.
They just action all feedback internally.

Come on. Like let's be real here everyone. There's no way Omeda doesn't know about this thread. Its been sitting at the top of their feedback list for how long now?

There's just no officially knowing it.

And why would there be? Who wants to come out and acknowledge this? Who's going to do it?

[vernal cloak]

It sounds ridiculous as it looks.

[wispy chasm]

I see you omeda studio employees 👁️

[vernal cloak]

This man understands

[mystic cradle]

Not saying I don’t agree with you guys on their lack of communication but To be fair at this point what do you want them to say in this post. Thank you for the feedback?

Most of the post is just people going give us more communication!! I can’t believe they don’t respond to this post!!

I think they have been posting things the last couple of days about what is coming in 1.1. They had an announcement about why the patch was delayed, released the hero trailer today (whether or not you liked it, it was released), rgace said something about toxicity on reddit within the last couple of days. They respond to other feedback channels maybe not this one specifically but others they do.

I think the biggest issue might not be lack of communication but consistency of where it’s posted. Bc unless you’re following them on Twitter, discord, instagram, Reddit etc you don’t see everything. I usually get things linked to me that’s the only reason I find out about some things

[neon lichen]

We should have a log where all the dev comments/posts are collected from different socials.

One thing they definitely can improve is to post official stuff on every social, right now you need at least two socials to get every official post.

[vernal cloak]

Its super simple bud something among lines of “we have been very bad at communicating and addressing community concerns, we failed to communicate meaningful plans for the game in the most critical times (post-full launch) where both new and old players would like to know the overall direction of the game and we have created following X Y Z plan to mitigate this issue in the future..” snippets of small updates (especially when they are out of place and Ill-timed) is not communicating its to create hype (that does not exist in current - at least discord community). Just check the overall sentiment on skylars hero trailer. People are now more then ever looking for flaws as the studio let this fester (the issue of communication (one of issues)) for soo long…

[hollow citrus]

My issue with them is not so much teasing the next patch but more so overall expectations. I feel like if Omeda laid out to us like what they’re thinking and why they’re thinking it that would help us understand them more. But we have no expectations of the games future right now. Meaning what’s going on with ranked? Overall in terms of their development where are their priorities right now? Features? QOL? Or other stuff we aren’t thinking of. Will we see a larger ramp up in marketing and their thoughts on that to help promote the game. What can we expect over the next 6 months? It’s kinda stuff like that where I think they struggle on. I again think it comes down to them not wanting their words be taken out of context or laying out expectations but then people use them as false promises. They are probably worried about getting a ton of backlash over it.

[vernal cloak]

All valid questions that a player should know post full release of a live service game that lives from monetization…

[astral badge]

When a “community first” company becomes this silent when communication was one of the major things they apparently valued and wanted to get right, you know something is off. I’m sorry but Omeda is repeating the same mistakes the Paragon developers did

[last stirrup]

Its the curse. Terra release is affecting them 😦

[uncut girder]

not the place to ask

keep threads on topic

[lethal estuary]

They have been like this since the beginning, lets not blame the poor Terra, that enough has with her bruiser rework

[main cairn]

Just want to add this here since I randomly found this.
It's an interview with (What I'm assuming is mostly Robbie from the wording of things, but could also be other team members) Omeda:
https://twistedvoxel.com/predecessor-balancing-feedback-brawl-mode-120-fps-ps5-xsx/

Why wasn't something like this posted to the socials or even made publically aware?

We all would love to see and read interviews with the team.

Why did I have to go out of my way to find this?

Some of these responses to questions in the interview have me laughing.

I'd love to know where the verticality is still.

Oof. This aged like shit.

In fact, I'm especially scratching my head why this interview wasn't linked to us, when it answers some pretty long-standing questions.

This. This right here Omeda, is part of our problem.

You are off answering OUR questions on random interviews and then just leaving these interviews in the dark.

If this hadn't been shared on the Reddit, I don't know if I ever would've found it.

[uncut girder]

I mean MnK was shared at the top v1.1.1 patch notes

[main cairn]

I knew that, but I don't remember them mentioning anything about the Gyro controls - and I know we've had quite a few feedback posts really wanting that feature.

[mystic cradle]

do you remember where i said that they do communicate they are just bad about posting things consistently in places where all the people can see

[summer dagger]

so….they suck at communication then

communication in a way no one singular entity can see it is not communication

[mystic cradle]

well people are saying they dont communicate, they do, so lets complain about the correct thing is all im getting at

[summer dagger]

what’s the correct thing to complain about then

[mystic cradle]

sometimes they post to reddit only, sometimes to twitter, somtimes to discord, sometimes to instagram, sometimes to facebook, sometimes its a random interview they let no one know about

[summer dagger]

exactly

no official communication

[main cairn]

Well even still. This is only an interview. It's some communication yeah, but I shouldn't have to be going to external sources to get anything from the team.

[mystic cradle]

so they communicate they just need to be consistant on where the communciation is so people know where to follow

[main cairn]

This is stuff that should be said here. They should be talking to us just as much as they do interviews and other things.

[mystic cradle]

or they should post everywhere everytime

[summer dagger]

that’s still a lack of communication

i don’t really get what you are trying to get at here i’m ngl

either way there is no communication happening

[mystic cradle]

im getting at people are complaining that there is no communication, but i learn about lots of things, i learn about howw their combatting toxicity currently and in the future, i learn about MM how it works and if there are any bugs, i learn about future patches and future content, i learn about so many many things. But thats because i follow them on twitter, discord, reddit, and have viewers link me things from facebook, and various other places where they might say things like interviews

so the issue isnt that they dont communicate, the issue is that they are inconsistent on where they post this communication

[uncut girder]

IMO that’s still bad communication

[mystic cradle]

bad communication is communication

this post when reading through it is people saying there is 0 COMMUNICATION

im not saying they are good at it

im saying lets point out the correct issue

[uncut girder]

Oh yeah I disagree with that

I think they could just be better at communicating

I think we’re on the same page 🙏

[mystic cradle]

the issue isnt they DONT COMMUNICATE AT ALL. The issue is they just do not consistently post their communications places where people know where to look. They should have a designated area (most assume is discord its not) where they post all their communications

[uncut girder]

Yep agreed

Website imo is the best place

More developer diaries needed

Like .queens post

[mystic cradle]

I can agree to that for sure

[uncut girder]

https://discord.com/channels/389767672151146498/1290308067245690964

[mystic cradle]

if they have someone sitting in discord explaining MMR for 3000 messages have them explain in a developer diary with an FAQ of the biggest questions

same with toxicity

[uncut girder]

Agreeed

[mystic cradle]

then the post can be closed with a (please see post)

[uncut girder]

That’s in the works afaik

[summer dagger]

oh okay i see

[uncut girder]

Will be number 4

[summer dagger]

tbh when people say there is no communication it doesnt necessarily mean there is literally no one talking, we mean that communication is sporadic, not uniform, and piss poor

[uncut girder]

People also need to be better at communicating their points then

[summer dagger]

i am unfamiliar with the posts you are describing myself but tbh, if those posts do exist, it shouldn’t take us moving a mountain for a dev to pop in here, link it, and say that they will announce things in a more uniform way in the future

[uncut girder]

They don’t exist

That’s the problem

They should

[summer dagger]

so we are back to square one then 😭

[mystic cradle]

Yep, their Community managers or marketing team should probably be taking care of the areas wwhere this information gets posted

[uncut girder]

Crazy is basically saying if jshredz can talk in a discord thread about MM he should also be able to create a dev diary about it

[mystic cradle]

just depends on how they want to use the information

[summer dagger]

OKAY now i see

so basically you are referencing unofficial communication

[mystic cradle]

Yea so if i see a feedback post where a dev is commenting a ton i will follow or comment on it just so it appears in my discord links so i can read through and see their communications on this specific subject

bc they respond a lot on some of these

[uncut girder]

I mean all communication should be collated and shared in one place

IMO that should be the website

[mystic cradle]

or a reddit post might have someone like ACE respond

[summer dagger]

i do agree that certain devs and employees actually say things, just like ace did on X BUT

[uncut girder]

Yeah and if it’s something of value like idk how reporting works. Then it should be a dev diary

[summer dagger]

that is no official communication from Omeda as an entity

i am more perturbed by the fact that yes…you do basically have to follow omedas team to get any info, it shouldn’t be that way

[mystic cradle]

If a developer is responding 1000 times in a feedback post on how the MMR works thats going to be considered as official whether it comes from the offical Omeda twitter or not

[summer dagger]

ehhhhhhhh depends

[mystic cradle]

which is why i say instead of 1000 messages on how MMR works it should just be made into a Dev Diary

[summer dagger]

official communication would, in a perfect world, come from omeda as an entity with an author sign off

[mystic cradle]

he is responding in the Official Discord Representing the Omeda Tag as a developer

on a feedback post

there is no depends anyone who sees responses is going to read that as "coming from Omeda"

[summer dagger]

this is true, but tbh i don’t want to de-rail too much on the whole official vs non official communication

[mystic cradle]

But thats what i mean when i say these things should go into a dev diary on their Officail website and just linked to the feedback post

vs 1000 messages in a discord

[summer dagger]

exactly

[mystic cradle]

then htey can make an annoucement

[uncut girder]

To counter this Kari has said before that teasers and off topic messages in channels from devs or staff isn’t official until an actual post. BUT something like what you are describing with the MM post imo is official

[mystic cradle]

so everything is consistent

[summer dagger]

where it can be proofread and released as a statement by the company

[uncut girder]

It’s very much on topic imo

[summer dagger]

well let me sum it up real quick

[mystic cradle]

Yea i mean, if an omeda staff responds to a post, ima see it as Official but i digress 😄

But yea we all agree

There needs to be 1 spot for all this info so people know where to look not 500 places

[uncut girder]

Yep

100000%

Piecing together info just leads to misinfo

[mystic cradle]

at one point i followed like 15 different feedback channels and had reddit/facebook/instagram/twitter/articles linked to me with info

now its just to much to keep up with

[summer dagger]

so basically what i’m saying, and i am agreeing with you, is that we have no official communication.
Official communication comes in the form of a proofread, pre thought out message that is released as a statement by the company and is signed off by either the author of the post or the CEO
unofficial communication is when a singluar person hops into a thread, posts on twitter, responds to someone, or makes a video from their personal account to make a statement about said game
what makes this unofficial and, to me, not considered communication, is because what they are saying is not going through the company machine. They can SAY they are working on x, but are they really?
Official communication can be easily taken as fact and provides clarity…which we generally have no official communication

IF what each dev hops on their personal accounts and says is true, it needs to be compiled and released in a master thread or blog, just like you said!

[last stirrup]

I was always thinking of adding a feature to narb.app where it would allow you to find the most recent Official Omeda response to a thread. Though there are some issues with that, mainly I wouldnt want to be storing personal information + having narb read message content. So I decided against it. (Plus you can kinda search that way in Discord anyways).

But I always thought it would be useful in feedback to easily any official statements from omeda staff

Easy to search for answers

Didnt we have a FAQ?

[brave zealot]

I prefer to think of it as informal and formal. Just semantics on my part.

Devs engaging in conversations on a discord would be an example of informal.

Devs teasing information on their social would be an example of formal.

But I'll say this again. A communications calendar would help set expectations internally externally.

For example

Week 1: A preview of upcoming QoL changes
Week 2: Reddit AMA
Week 3: Art Dev Concept Blog Post
Week 4: CEO twitter teaser post

[lethal estuary]

Then they don't communicate. Doing a random interview that they don't share with the community and we just found it because someone randomly posted it on Reddit, its not communicate

[lethal estuary]

Even if they posted everything everywhere, always, they still would have lack of communication, I think that I catch practically all the things they say everywhere, from Discord, Reddit, Twitter, random comments on Reddit and Discord, and lost things like that interview, and even with that they don't communicate a shit and the 80% of the time what we have is complete silence waiting form patch to patch, so the week before the patch they start to "tease" things and release the patch notes, but aside from that moments we know nothing

[lethal estuary]

but i learn about lots of things, i learn about howw their combatting toxicity currently and in the future

Just about the things they already said, the last time they talked about toxicity was 8 months ago

i learn about MM how it works

The same as with toxicity, we don't have a post talking about it since a lot of months ago. We have the JShredz comments in the post about MMR, but that is not Omeda communicating, that is a dev talking in a lost post that just the 0.01% of the community will know that it even exist

and if there are any bugs

We don't have any "know bugs" page, so we just know about the patch notes info, which is the minimum to know

i learn about future patches and future content

You just learn about the patch that is going to be released next week, and some time about 1-2 little things that they mention in the patch notes about next patch, but we have absolutely no idea in what Omeda is working on right now for the future and what big things we can expect to arrive to the game

, i learn about so many many things

No, we don't 🤨

[lethal estuary]

I also read everything that I can from them, and even with that, we don't know much about what its going on with the development of the game

[waxen cypress]

That is something I mentioned already, to Ace as well. He never responded to it. Even though I know that he read it because he was replying to other messages in the same thread. It is a shame that the old forum was deleted (or achieved) because it would've been great evidence.

Also, I consider bad communication almost as bad as no communication. You can not expect a player to follow all of those social media acounts. Most people will look at one account (Reddit for example or Discord) and realize that there is nothing posted there and they will instantly say that they are not communication, which is true (at least for that player at the time). If a player is just involved with one community, then it is Omeda Studios duty to keep that player updated if Omeda is also active in that community.

This is the core of no communication. Someone once said that they post a lot of stuff on X (formerly Twitter) and Reddit. Well I don't read reddit and I wouldn't read X if it wasn't posted here on Discord, so I never knew about it. And if I never knew about it I can never know what they say. It is their duty to keep their community up to date.

And on a side note I personally wouldn't let bad communication (or no communication for certain players) slide. Here you have a Studio that claims to have 75 employees, got 24,2 Million $ in investment and got a lot of assets for free from Epic. Even current icons in the game are not self-made but bought for cheap money from stores. So they got the money, they got the man-power yet they are not doing it.

This is their own fault, and only their fault. They could fix it quite fast. A FAQ on a Website is something even Junior Web-Developers could do. Yet they don't do it (at least till now). Quite astonishing really.

[prisma meadow]

when roadmap i m still waiting 😔

[lethal estuary]

At the end of august for what I heard

[scenic current]

2025 is a another August

[scenic current]

Exactly, you show up on Discord by accident, because the game is silent that this server exists. Then you wander around and find people discussing stuff. You find these social media feed and announcement channels and start to wonder, how does a company make money from a free-to-play game, when the company behind the games keeps players in the dark if paying for anything is worth it or not.

I can't consider OS informative or transparent, if I have to social engineer who is working for OS and find their social media accounts on various platforms, only to read personal opinions... then I have to consider OS as intransparent and not informative. That's the gist of this long thread as far as I can tell.

[vernal cloak]

“The week of 1.0 or week after that” per CMs words

[tiny agate]

afaik they were referring to the hero roadmap

[lethal estuary]

Nah, I HARDLY doubt that they were referring to that

When people ask about the road map, everyone know what people is talking about, doing that would be like deceive on purpose people that was asking for road map

[atomic wedge]

i think they where seeing as their roadmaps kept devolving due to not being able to keep all the promises

i also dont mind the roadmaps dont show much but really ? thats the only feature u can tell me ur sure will be in future game updates

[tiny agate]

From the messages I saw, it was

[lethal estuary]

For the messages I saw it was Omeda trying to gaslight the people saying the "But we already released the road map look this image", when knowing that is not what people refer when asking about the road map

And again, Omeda saying that they are going to release the road map at the end of august or a few weks after 1.0 release, doesn't sound like if what they meant is that lackluster image

[vernal cloak]

In that case someone is not skilled enough to be lead CM of a cross platform live service game…

[main cairn]

I'm sorry but a very vague timeline of "These will be features in the future", is not a Roadmap. A Roadmap is something with definite features that are going to be implemented at designated times.

[vernal cloak]

We are not a mobile goofy game

[main cairn]

Sure feels like it at times.

[vernal cloak]

Everyone knows what roadmap is…we are not reinventing the wheel here

[lethal estuary]

Its not even that, now we are talking about this. Which is not even about features, its just image with 1 hero that was already released

[main cairn]

And then mentions of upcoming heroes.

Which is really like lackluster.

Does nothing.

Thank you for informing me more heroes were on the way down the line.

I wasn't aware you guys were going to create/release more characters.

[vernal cloak]

In no world lead CM releases this and it’s like “this is a post full lunch roadmap that everyone wants to see/know” and it’s baffled when we are like “where’s the road map”

I also that think that before mentioned lead CM is not coming back aka quit…gut feeling

[lethal estuary]

She can be on vacation (which I hope 🙏 ), but if that is the case, Omeda should have tried to cover her position, its astonishing, how they just have completely abandoned the CM role, now they don't even post the trailers on Reddit

[atomic wedge]

they couldve put the stuff ace leaked on twitter as features comming up

[lethal estuary]

The most recent videos of Predecessor are on Reddit because people repost them

[unique spear]

Maybe I should stop being a shadow mod. And join the community team 🙂

But idk if omeda would want me grilling them on all these questions we have. They would be like. Dude shut up!

[main cairn]

I have so many things to say about what just happened, but I'll be a good sport and not make my sarcastic remarks 💀

[pseudo granite]

Come on now, we all wanna know

[main cairn]

I was told if it's not polite, I shouldn't say it. Plus I already rage enough at Omeda, so I fear I'm usually on thin ice anyway 💀

[unique spear]

Were all on thin ice. But let's keep the convo focused on communication!

[sick pond]

I'm pretty sure most missed it, but she wrote in a thread that she was taken off the payroll around the 14th of August. So if that is actually true, then I don't know who is leading the communication.

[hot horizon]

Terrible omen, but I'll request a sauce

[main cairn]

Same though. I dug myself but can't find anything around the 14th that stuck out to me.

[sick pond]

Hmm it was the same thread where one mod was going ballistic and swearing n stuff, and Kari tried clearing stuff up. Black timbs was there and a lot of other people. I even sent Kari a dm on the 14th to ask her if it was true but she never responded and hasn't to this day

This might cross the line of off-topicness though

[main cairn]

Ah yeah that was the one Blacktimbs was banned in i'm fairly certain. I saw that thread but I couldn't find it. It might've just been buried in all the text and I overlooked it.

But a bad omen indeed if our CM is not on payroll.

But it would also provide an explanation for the silence.

Hopefully, that's not the case.

[sick pond]

Ohhh yeah it was on the thread about polling the EA skins for console

[lethal estuary]

Noooooooo 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

She was the best Omeda had

Dude 😢 .....Aside from releasing heroes, all the good things that Omeda was doing was related to Kari, still hope its not true

[uncut girder]

Before you all ramble on. What Kari was saying is that her work day finished 3 hours ago. She replied to someone’s message at 8pm. Workday finished at 5. Thus said message.

You guys really need to stop assuming things. Especially about big things like this.

Actually mental you guys came to that conclusion icl

[lethal estuary]

Thanks what a relief

[thin lion]

also if you go on Karis twitter it still says that she's the cm at omeda

and she's still sharing pred posts

methinks she wouldn't be sharing those if she wasn't affiliated with pred anymore especially since she doesn't share anything related to PUBG for example

but yeah we need more communication because this discord is fucking spiraling lmao

[sick pond]

Yeah that's on me, I completely missunderstood her message. It felt like commuication kind of vanished after that message coincidentally and it hasn't gotten better since.

[uncut girder]

Cos she went on holiday

[sick pond]

It's a shame it has to be like that. Why does the last little communication we had, have to vanish because one employee goes on vacation. There should be someone else stepping in or doing the job that can't be done temporarily.

[uncut girder]

I agree. I’m just explaining what happened for clarity 🙂

[night rune]

Wait if this is true, who's been paying me all this time?

[waxen cypress]

Very odd timing to answer a post here in this thread.

In addition to answering that post it would be absolutely splendid if you (or any other Omeda employee) could actually engage with the mayor talking points going on here.

Now obviously I don't know if you already did engage in this post but if this is the first time you are engaging in this thread it seems really odd to just answer to one person.

[night rune]

I just today got back from 3 weeks of vacation, and saw that I was being discussed 😅

I need to do some more catching up because even I don't know what our plans are right now after so long away, but watch this space - I'll be working with the team to relight communication channels taking on board feedback as soon as possible.

[waxen cypress]

Good to know!
I didn't know you were in vacation. Obviously I hope it was a refreshing vacation and I do hope that the topics discussed here are brought forward to the team.

It would be absolutely splendid if some or most of the ideas given here would be used to better the communication of Omeda itself.

Thanks for taking you time!

[atomic wedge]

Its probably cus of the recent layoffs at other game companies just putting bad thoughts in peoples heads

[uncut girder]

Yeah but that conclusion from that message? Kinda wild

[atomic wedge]

indeed

[kindred ibex]

We already mentioned earlier in this thread that she was on vacation idk why people started thinking she was gone? Not to be off topic but that was talked about before and people who read that earlier still contributed to talking about her being « gone » instead of just explaining what had been said earlier, leading to that mess

[lethal estuary]

I first commented that I thought she was on vacation, but then that comment by yDropZz fit too well with this complete silence we are having from Omeda communication, as usually when someone goes on vacation the company tries to compensate it by relegating his tasks to others

But after I read the original message he was doing reference, the conclusion he took are wild

I don't know if he missread it or what

[kindred ibex]

which is exactly what I said and exactly what you responded to earlier, i understand that someone else sent a message but if she was gone would you trust someone who’s guessing from messages in a thread or a mod that probably knows what’s up. Or or or instead you could just directly ask a mod instead of continuing the speculate. But again it’s over now so 🧘

[lethal estuary]

I didn't remembered if the thing of Kari being on vacation came from a mod or from a random comment, so when I read the other comment I thought that was he said as somehow believable, also, Omeda has behaved in such an intransparent and dishonest way so many times, that something like that didn't seemed strange to me either, which is a real problem of having bad communication and not building a trust relationship with the community, when things like this appear one don't know what to believe

But yeah, also was my fault should have tried to search the original comment first, let's let the topic🧘

[sick pond]

It was a plot all along, created to get you to talk to the community

[sudden marsh]

Lets let everyone have some zen time, Kari has said she will read through and take it all on. I think an official response and acknowledgement is good relax xoxo

[lethal estuary]

And there's no need to rush Kari, she just got back from vacation, she'll have a lot of other things to do and she'll need time to catch up and get used to going back to work, so 0 rush

[sick pond]

I did say "if that is actually true" because I was not 100% certain. And the comment wasn't that clear from Kari either, from my pov. Along with that, it made sense because of how terrible the communication has been since around the time of that comment.

Just trying to explain myself. The conclusion wasn't really "wild". It was just my guess and I wasn't 100% sure.

[main cairn]

I mean it doesn't seem like anyone came to any conclusion. It was just a temporary fear that wasn't even taken that seriously. Even I basically just said "Oh that'd be bad, I hope that's not the case.

I feel like that response is way blown out of proportion. I feel people can be rightfully fearful. I too thought it was just very neatly lined up and it kinda would've made some sense had it been the case.

But it's not and that's wonderful.

[brave zealot]

Bad assumptions were made. It was unfortunate that it picked up as much steam as it did.

I wish I saw it earlier to remind folks about Kari being in vacation, though to be fair it was pretty well known

I don't think we need to litigate what was said and why. Kari is back from a well deserved vacation and let's just chill to give 'em a chance to catch up and digest.

[lethal estuary]

Maybe wild was a bit exaggerated, more like, the conclusion was very hasty with so little information and with such an ambiguous comment. This is similar situation to those phishing mail that are obvious until the day you are expecting for X mail to arrive and precisely at that moment arrives a phishing mail that by casualty is about the same topic you were waiting, and you don't stop twice to check

And this was a similar case but with the thing of the bad communication we are having now

[sick pond]

Fair enough, my mistake

But was it a mistake..

Look who acknowledged our thread

[lethal estuary]

Our mistake

[hollow citrus]

So

I pasted literally all messages in this thread

and had chatgpt summarize it

• Lack of Centralized Communication: A major frustration voiced by the community is that Omeda Studio's communication is spread across multiple platforms (Discord, Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, and even interviews). Players are frustrated by the inconsistency in that not all information is shared evenly. This mostly relates to things discussed in the next paragraph and making it difficult for everyone to stay informed.

• Informal vs. Official Communication: While some players appreciate developer engagement in Discord and on social media, this kind of communication is informal and not the same as official company statements. The only issue with this is when cool things are discussed for example teases of what's coming in the upcoming patch, many people are not informed. Perhaps a solution is formal, pre-planned, and proofread communications that come directly from Omeda as a company, which provide clarity and accountability. Keep in mind this is all in reference to the information that is not included in the official posts we do get.

• ** Inconsistent Communication Frequency:** Even when Omeda does communicate, it often feels sporadic and disorganized. The community expressed frustration with the long gaps between meaningful updates and the lack of clarity about the overall direction of the game. Players believe that more frequent and transparent communication, such as regular developer logs (dev diaries), would help alleviate this issue and would allow the community to understand developer's mindsets and thoughts behind their actions. This would also allow the community to connect more with the Studio.

• Missed Opportunities for Engagement: The community feels that Omeda often misses opportunities to engage with players. For example, significant interviews or teases aren’t consistently shared with the community, leaving players feeling like they have to dig around to find important information. This leads to a sense of being ignored or left out of the loop.

• Feedback Fatigue: Many players are frustrated because they feel like they’ve been voicing the same concerns for months or even years, but see little to no changes. Even if Omeda reads feedback, the lack of action or response from the company makes players feel unheard and undervalued. Omeda cannot reasonably respond to every comment or take action on everything. However the community feels there are significant core issues with the game that just have not been prioritized over the last 2 years.

• Community Engagement Tools: Some players suggested solutions like a communications calendar, lore posts, or a centralized FAQ that could help Omeda improve communication and player engagement. There were also ideas about how to better gather and act on feedback, such as using community ambassadors or creating systems that highlight official responses.

• ** Post-Launch Expectations:** Since the game has launched in full, players expected more clarity on key aspects of the game’s future, such as a clear roadmap, updates on the state of ranked mode, and development priorities. There is concern that Omeda is not treating post-launch communication with the seriousness that a live service game requires.

• Lack of Response to Community Concerns: Despite an ongoing megathread about Omeda’s communication issues, there was disappointment that no official Omeda staff had responded directly to the thread, reinforcing the perception that the studio is not engaging with its community.

In short, the overarching sentiment is that Omeda needs to improve the consistency, centralization, and transparency of its communication with the Predecessor community, especially post-launch, to keep players informed, engaged, and satisfied.

[main cairn]

This is perfect honestly.

[hollow citrus]

ty

[brave zealot]

I will never bow to our robot overlords. But that's good stuff

[hollow citrus]

This is a little bit off topic but it would be nice to have a bot summarize long threads like that so maybe omeda can respond more?

[atomic wedge]

gonna bring it up again but a dev emote to show they read the thread would do wonders

[main cairn]

That would be kinda nice, if it meant we got more communication. I know (especially with how much I type myself) how daunting it can be to have to read all of this and have to catch up on so much. And sometimes thats just like overnight. I can't imagine the sisyphaen task Kari has ahead of her in order to catch up on like nearly a months worth of stuff.

So anything to make their job a little easier, would go a long way to help us too.

[hollow citrus]

Yeah

If it gave us more communication and made their lives easier

I don’t see a downside

They did used to briefly tagged read threads

Zuzu would leave like a check mark

Didn’t last long

Maybe a week or two

[main cairn]

How come?

[hollow citrus]

Prob just got lost in the sauce

[main cairn]

Dang. Well hopefully they bring it back then.

[vernal cloak]

AND PLEEEEEASE HAVE A PLAN FOR SOMEONE TO CARRY ON YOUR WORK BEFORE YOU GO ON A PLANNED VACATION. 🙏🏼

You left Steggs in shambles lol

[night rune]

Steggs is always in a shambles lmaoooo

[night rune]

It's interesting, sometimes our lives would be easier with more communication, I agree. Other times, not so much.

We're not currently striking the right balance. That much is for sure.

[vernal cloak]

Kari - I understand you def now have crap ton of work and we want all this attention after 1800+ comments but I honestly don't expect you to read everything but check Farther bullet points and most importantly act on it (as a studio or department) thats the whole TLDR and point of this thread

[night rune]

• Community Engagement Tools: Some players suggested solutions like a communications calendar, lore posts, or a centralized FAQ that could help Omeda improve communication and player engagement. There were also ideas about how to better gather and act on feedback, such as using community ambassadors or creating systems that highlight official responses.

FYI I really like this.

[night rune]

Yeah I do hate to say it but I can't read every message 😅

Rest assured I'll skim and take what I can!

[hollow citrus]

🔥

[astral badge]

Your absence was very obvious - there seems to be no communication at all unless you’re around

[summer dagger]

welcome back! i hope you had a nice vacation!
sorry for the long thread 💀

[wise nacelle]

To take vacations, first you need to work. We are still waiting the 1.0 roadmap

[lean peak]

This the most inconsiderate shit I’ve ever seen lol.

[summer dagger]

huh?

[wise nacelle]

u can say what u want, but as community manager she barely engages with the community

[astral badge]

bro she’s like the only person at Omeda that does

[wise nacelle]

yeah, she is the community manager, but its more silence than talk

4-5 mesages a week

and that having luck

[astral badge]

I agree, we need more communication, but remember since she was on vaca for weeks it got extra silent. Cause the rest of Omeda hardly interacts with us, and that’s a problem

Going into 1.0 we should’ve had a roadmap but here we are

[wise nacelle]

and post 1.0 she was not on vacation

and we get silence

im playing since 5dec, this game is slowly dying, less communication and more broken promises

[astral badge]

Well aware of the broken promises and even poorer communication than before. It’s like Omeda looked at a list of things NOT to do for an official launch and checked off all the boxes. Imo the game wasn’t ready at all for a 1.0 but they rushed it and the game is still missing a lot of features it should have by now. Not to mention a lack of iteration on gameplay.. game looks the same now as it did 2 years ago

I’m really curious why communication is so bad but hopefully Omeda hears us in this regard and follows through with what they promised. They promised to work alongside the community and to be transparent, but their behavior now tells the opposite. I thought these were core values of Omeda.

[summer dagger]

hey! so let’s not blame one person for the fault of what is obviously higher management

[wise nacelle]

she is the community manager

thats her job

community manager = communication with the players

[summer dagger]

very elementary understanding of the amount of power she may actually hold

[wise nacelle]

she has not power to talk?

[summer dagger]

she’s been on vacation dude

[wise nacelle]

discuss on post?

and post 1.0?

[summer dagger]

did she not just discuss with us not 3 hours ago??

[wise nacelle]

she was not on vacation and still silence

defend what u want white knight

[summer dagger]

she doesn’t owe you communication every day

we are talking about the company not her

ur about to get urself muted lmao

[cosmic totem]

Please don’t turn this into an arguing thread about this.

#1284135487673466951 message

#1284135487673466951 message

She addresses it right there

[summer dagger]

thank you

if i knew how to work this godforsaken app i would’ve linked those myself

[wise nacelle]

yes, thats today

and pre vacation, why silence?

[cosmic totem]

Yes, and it addresses your concerns

[wise nacelle]

no, she lacks as community manager

only white knights dont see it

[cosmic totem]

Please refer to the linked messages

[summer dagger]

she literally admitted that communication was lacking please
stop turning this thread hostile

[wise nacelle]

no hostile, just facts, im playing since dec 5 and only silence and broken promises

i dont get more from kari

3-4 messages a week, and then silence

and half of those messages are jokes

or things that she finds funny on reddit

[tiny agate]

How dare someone find something funny or have a conversation

[kindred ibex]

ok you've said your facts, don't let this go on to something off topic just leave it

[summer dagger]

n e wayz

[wise nacelle]

offtopic talk about communication on a topic called communication and omeda

ok....so much asslickers here

[summer dagger]

please mute them

just trolling atp

[cosmic totem]

Bashing is not communication 🙂

[kindred ibex]

theres talking about lack of communication and there's having a rant about someone, if u cant tell the difference idk what to tell u

[wise nacelle]

cmon, she is the community manager

who you expect to communicate, the dude that make skins?

[cosmic totem]

@wise nacelle

[summer dagger]

and your community manager just communicated with you about communication in the thread above

[wise nacelle]

yeah, and like that time we have others, and still broken promises

but ok, u win!

[kindred ibex]

ok like i said uve said that like 3 times now, we get it

[lean peak]

As I said, bro so inconsiderate. Inconsiderate of people’s time, life, etc. they mess up but are still humans and to say that like she the only person is just crazy work to me.

Like go outside if what’s happening with the game bothering you that much.

She got back, and instantly communicated above and said she gonna look into stuff because she’s been GONE and that’s your response.

I understand it’s the internet and we can’t control people response (to a degree) and how they feel. But man, just inconsiderate and childish lol.

[lethal estuary]

You are kinda correct, but that is not the way of saying the things. You could have said "To take vacations, first Omeda should have to let the things prepared and planned so that her absence does not have such a big impact. We are still waiting the 1.0 roadmap"

No need to bash on a single person, and we have to remember that individual employees doesn't have an all mighty power in the company

But I'm also going to concede your point that even though when Kari wasn't on vacation, the communication was incredible lacking, so lets try to not forget that and blame all to the vacation and lack of planning regarding this by Omeda

[sick pond]

In the end, the company is at fault to 100%, it's not one single individual going on vacation that is the cause of their inherent lack of communication.

The company is just fundamentally in a wreck right now, and all we can do as a community is give our feedback and try to lean them in the right direction with our words.

[hollow citrus]

I will say the one person that I feel communicates with the community the best is Jshredz

He does it very well and makes sure people understand what they’re talking about

[waxen cypress]

Why is it in a wreck? Did something happen that caused this wreck? Honestly just curious because I do not know.

If they are in a wreck it is entirely self-Made. Because they are the people that should manage it accordingly.

[wise nacelle]

https://steamcharts.com/app/961200

the game is slowly dying and the devs only keeps putting nails on the coffin

i will love to see rgsace or kali saying that they were at fault and apologize for the lies. but no, they keep double down making excuses about it

[uncut girder]

It would be great if you could all stop just assuming things

[waxen cypress]

I partially understand the point you made prior to this, but the argument that you are giving now is unfortunately objectively false.

Yes, the game is losing players on steam, however, it has been stated multiple times that the main audience of the game are console players. Aside from that there are also Epic Games players.

I get what you are trying to convey, however it would be dishonest to just look at one stat and say "see that, the game is dying". You have to consider all statistics. Unfortunately there are no concrete stats for all platforms, which results in there never being a solid proof for the player base dying or gaining.

I know what you mean, but this objectively wrong.

[waxen cypress]

Also I don't quite understand this point. Mainly because I don't know what they lied about.

What exactly did they lie about?
I am not trying to disprove you, I am just trying to understand it.

[wise nacelle]

ok, a list of lies:
-with the update ui we will make faster updates -> false, they double update time
-the affinity system is not the mastery system, it will come in a couple of months -> false
-the matchmaking is working as intended-> 2months later without touching the matchmaking they say that they need to tweak it, and magically now is working as intended and still a shit

want more?

[uncut girder]

1. 4 to 6 weeks isn’t double
2. Show me where they said a couple of months?
3. That was VP and MMR gains. Entirely different to how the MM works

[waxen cypress]

I don't think you understood my opinion. I am not against you, I am for a open and honest discussion. This is the reason why I like to request prove.

No need to be hostile (if you were hostile, if not then ignore it).

It's always a good choice to show prove for your argument.

[wise nacelle]

sorry if i sounded hostile to you

english is not my language, maybe that make it sound more direct

[waxen cypress]

All good, no need to worry!

[waxen cypress]

What was the update speed they had prior to the UI update? Do you remember?

[wise nacelle]

or simple things like say that they will post the roadmap in a cople of days, and 1 month later and still no roadmap

to lie, better dont say anything

[uncut girder]

4 weeks for content patches

Now it’s 6

And tbh that’s a pretty good update cycle

IMO

[waxen cypress]

So the argument he made is partially true and it was a lie?
I mean the update time is okay, yes, but it would still be a lie.

If they said they would be faster but then got slower it would be a lie, no?

[wise nacelle]

im not saying that they are trying to deceive us, but the lie to us,probably without any malice, but still a lie

[waxen cypress]

That seems to be something a lot of people are upset about.
Do you happen to remember if they specified what type of roadmap the would post?

Because they did post a roadmap, but only for the heros they will release.

[covert jetty]

I thought the 3 week was more of a console cert thing but I could be wrong

[wise nacelle]

no, whem it happened ps or xbox was not on the table yet

[waxen cypress]

Yes, I can agree to that.
It would also be better if they put out a statement apologizing that they were wrong.

That would be nice. Nothing wrong in being wrong, just be professional about it and apologize. However if you don't communicate at all then we get threads like this, with a ton of community member voicing their concern and barely anyone responding.

[wise nacelle]

they dont specified it, but taking account that the hero roadmap was alive when they said it, it looks like it was a normal roadmap

[uncut girder]

It is

[waxen cypress]

Maybe the hero roadmap was the roadmap they were talking about. It would be a assumption but it is a possibility.

[uncut girder]

It was

[wise nacelle]

ONION i will not waste my time finding comments to placate you, i dont care about white knights

[uncut girder]

You can’t just say things without proving them

[wise nacelle]

ok, like u want

u win!

[uncut girder]

You’ve been told multiple times in this thread now

Bashing ≠ feedback

Provide some actual evidence to your claims

[waxen cypress]

What exactly does that mean?

[wise nacelle]

no, i dont need to save posts to prove anything

its not my job

if it was only me, this thread will not have 600+ comments

open your eyes dude

[uncut girder]

It is if you’re going to say things that put someone in a negative light and not prove them

[waxen cypress]

Unfortunately you should do that. It would prove that you did your due diligence. And most of all it would prove that it is true what you said. Otherwise everyone can say that you don't know what you are talking about.

[uncut girder]

Console games can’t just get patches whenever they want. You have to publish the patch to Sony or Xbox. They test it makes sure it works and not bricks consoles etc. then it gets approved

Hence why this patch got delayed

[wise nacelle]

and still, they said that with the ui update they will update faster, and they update slower, false or true?

[waxen cypress]

Oh alright, good to know, thanks for the information.

[uncut girder]

And this is something out of their control. Which they have explained.

[wise nacelle]

ok, out of control, but false or true?

[uncut girder]

They said something. They clarified

[wise nacelle]

Ok, keep walking away

[waxen cypress]

Unfortunately even if they clarified it would still be a lie.
Regardless of what you explained after you said something, if that something is wrong later on you lied.

[uncut girder]

Yes. But they explained why. You can’t just be consistently be angry at someone after they’ve explained why something hasn’t happened. This whole thread is about communication and when they do communicate something you guys still want to have a go at them?

[waxen cypress]

Oh I am not having a "go" at anyone. I am simply stating objective facts.

However there is one thing I forgot about. If it is a lie depends highly on how they worded their statement when it was made. If they said something like "we hope to lower the time" then it would not be a lie, due to the wording.

I am not trying to get at anyone, but it is a objective fact that it would be a lie (depending on how it was worded). Also this is a key point when it comes to communication.

Regardless of that, to bring this back to the main topic of communication, was it posted somewhere? (Their statement I mean.)

[uncut girder]

Yes it was

It’s on their website somewhere. I’m trying to find it but having some trouble

[waxen cypress]

This is troubling to hear.
I take it you are very involved with this game (given you are a discord mod). If you have trouble finding it, what chance do I have who didn't even know it was posted.

This is really troubling and should be addressed by Omeda. Make a channel that shows all News, even minor News like a blog post explaining such things. It would help not only the community but also you guys as mods to show that yes, it was addressed.

[uncut girder]

The point is a lot of this thread is people having a go (you included) when you had a go at Kari and then when they do communicate have a go again.

I’m not saying communication is perfect but majority of what I see in all the threads is people bashing Omeda constantly. It gets quite tiring especially when people

1. Have no basis for their claims
2. Make wild assumptions

Regardless the whole point of fatherrs summary was to kind of put this thread on a soft lock without the need to repeat points which is why this thread is so long in the first place.

[wise nacelle]

so imagine search for a message posted on discord by rgsace 1 year ago

that what i was saying with save posts, it cant be done

the only way to do it is being malicious since the begin and copy paste every commentary

[uncut girder]

I’ve found the statement made by ace on their website

Nowhere in said statement it says development time will be faster

https://www.predecessorgame.com/news/season-news/season-2-roadmap-update

[wise nacelle]

"We realize that this news may come as a disappointment to some of you, but this strategic decision will ultimately enable us to introduce new features more rapidly in the future."

[uncut girder]

Yeah

Not that the patch cycle will revert back to what it was

[wise nacelle]

on that moment the cycle was 4

it was not 6 yet

to be a whiteknight u should know that

[uncut girder]

With that notice it was 6

[uncut girder]

There’s no need to be rude

[wise nacelle]

so if with that notice it was 6, how it could be reverted?

stop distorting things

[uncut girder]

They increased it to 6

You said oh the patch cycles will be quicker

No

That’s not what they said at all

[wise nacelle]

and "This decision is not expected to impact the frequency of game updates or Hero releases"

and still 2 weeks more

ONION, dude, admit they were wrong, and done, why keep distorting all to enable their narrative?

[uncut girder]

not expected

[waxen cypress]

Having a "go"?
I ask questions, state objective truths and you call it having a "go" and bashing them?

I agree that some people are not proving points for their arguments, but I always try to stay objectively true, and if I am wrong I even apologize and recognize the fact that I was wrong, because that is what professional people should do. I don't take any of this personal, I take it professional, as it should be.

Omeda is bad a communication, that is a objective fact. No one is bashing Omeda when this is stated since even the community manager said it could be improved.
I didn't have a "go" at Kari. After she told me that she was on vacation (something I didn't even know) I even apologized and even hoped for her that she had a good vacation.

I accept criticism, especially if it is good constructive criticism, but I am completely lost why you would assume that I personally have a "go" at Omeda.

This whole thread wouldn't even be if they were better at communicating with their community. The majority of the people in this thread just want better communication. If they did that then most people in this thread would be fine (me included).
Also, yes, I can give Omeda credit. However, and I stated that multiple times, if we compare Omedas work with the work of similar development studios and compare their sizes to one another there is barely anything to be positive about. This is a objective truth. I stay professional about it.
I want this Game and the Studio by extension to succeed. They need to know these things to improve. It is unfortunate that we didn't see any improvement yet but my hopes are high now that a community manager is acknowledging this thread.

Now, if you could provide me with some form of evidence where I personally stated something that was not reasonable that would be splendid. Doesn't have to be here so we don't strive off topic, but in DMs that would be nice.

[lean peak]

Twisting some of their statements to fit your narrative of “they’re wrong and lie about everything” is so wild 💀

[wise nacelle]

i was talking about this point on concret

[lean peak]

Onion is agreeing with y’all but not everything yall say is correct

[wise nacelle]

i dont know why u generalize it

[uncut girder]

Thank you

If you want to provide feedback

1. Be accurate with your claims
2. Provide some sort of evidence

3. Be constructive and not just bash Omeda

I’m literally agreeing with you all and you’re calling me a white knight

[lean peak]

I truly feel this thread lost its soul purpose. And turns into “nothing they do is enough”. Even with getting some insight on stuff. Could communication be better? Yes, 10 times better. But it’s just a loop of the same bash points everyday even when they get answers. And even after they get an answer “nope, it’s not good enough”.

We’re not owed responses 24/7 but we got one from the community manager that said they’ll look in to it. That should’ve been enough there. We she how she handles moving forward and if it gets better. If it does, the thread worked. If it’s doesn’t, then we say something again.

But I swear nothing is satisfying for a lot of people in this thread. And I agree with a lot of points but y’all just saying the same thing over and over…and over again.

[uncut girder]

Which is why @hollow citrus summary was so good. And the conversation should have stopped there

[lean peak]

I agree with you

[uncut girder]

Tbh I’m very close to locking this thread. I should’ve done it after that summary, but the last few messages have just turned into a whingeing thing now

If the conversation doesn’t improve and isn’t constructive (which tbh nothing more needs to be added) I’ll lock it

[uncut girder]

Adding this here again

• Lack of Centralized Communication: A major frustration voiced by the community is that Omeda Studio's communication is spread across multiple platforms (Discord, Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, and even interviews). Players are frustrated by the inconsistency in that not all information is shared evenly. This mostly relates to things discussed in the next paragraph and making it difficult for everyone to stay informed.

• Informal vs. Official Communication: While some players appreciate developer engagement in Discord and on social media, this kind of communication is informal and not the same as official company statements. The only issue with this is when cool things are discussed for example teases of what's coming in the upcoming patch, many people are not informed. Perhaps a solution is formal, pre-planned, and proofread communications that come directly from Omeda as a company, which provide clarity and accountability. Keep in mind this is all in reference to the information that is not included in the official posts we do get.

• ** Inconsistent Communication Frequency:** Even when Omeda does communicate, it often feels sporadic and disorganized. The community expressed frustration with the long gaps between meaningful updates and the lack of clarity about the overall direction of the game. Players believe that more frequent and transparent communication, such as regular developer logs (dev diaries), would help alleviate this issue and would allow the community to understand developer's mindsets and thoughts behind their actions. This would also allow the community to connect more with the Studio.

• Missed Opportunities for Engagement: The community feels that Omeda often misses opportunities to engage with players. For example, significant interviews or teases aren’t consistently shared with the community, leaving players feeling like they have to dig around to find important information. This leads to a sense of being ignored or left out of the loop.

• Feedback Fatigue: Many players are frustrated because they feel like they’ve been voicing the same concerns for months or even years, but see little to no changes. Even if Omeda reads feedback, the lack of action or response from the company makes players feel unheard and undervalued. Omeda cannot reasonably respond to every comment or take action on everything. However the community feels there are significant core issues with the game that just have not been prioritized over the last 2 years.

• Community Engagement Tools: Some players suggested solutions like a communications calendar, lore posts, or a centralized FAQ that could help Omeda improve communication and player engagement. There were also ideas about how to better gather and act on feedback, such as using community ambassadors or creating systems that highlight official responses.

• ** Post-Launch Expectations:** Since the game has launched in full, players expected more clarity on key aspects of the game’s future, such as a clear roadmap, updates on the state of ranked mode, and development priorities. There is concern that Omeda is not treating post-launch communication with the seriousness that a live service game requires.

• Lack of Response to Community Concerns: Despite an ongoing megathread about Omeda’s communication issues, there was disappointment that no official Omeda staff had responded directly to the thread, reinforcing the perception that the studio is not engaging with its community.

In short, the overarching sentiment is that Omeda needs to improve the consistency, centralization, and transparency of its communication with the Predecessor community, especially post-launch, to keep players informed, engaged, and satisfied.

[hollow citrus]

I would close it

Leave it with this final summary

That way it doesn’t get lost again

[vernal cloak]

but only in the realm of his scope - as he shares personal (possibly) passion for MM