You are, it's just on the internal end.
#How to Fix VP in Ranked
vagrant kernel
Keep winning hard games and you'll continue to get high VP gains per game for longer.
Once you hit +18 for a win and -18 for a loss, you're where the internal system thinks you should be.
half meadow
You are, it's just on the internal end.
This is confusing ig. Because if I am silver. Playing against plats. And the VP difference in the MM is > 200. And I win. I thought I'd get a lot more. But I guess the game think silver is where I belong?
vagrant kernel
Reread my message please
half meadow
I said it's confusing.
Can u clarify?
Like if I play in a lobby that the VP is equal. I get +25 vp.
Then I play a game where Enemy team has a +200 VP gap on us. And I win. I still get +25 vp.
You'd think it would be more?
vagrant kernel
Once you hit +18 for a win and -18 for a loss, you're where the internal system thinks you should be
half meadow
Does that logic make sense? Where is my thinking flawed? Can u help explain this?
half meadow
Once you hit +18 for a win and -18 for a loss, you're where the internal system ...
I get that. But what about the scenario above?
Let's say I get +18/-18 and I'm exactly where the system thinks I should be.
But then I get a match. Where the enemy team has +200 vp spread lead on us
And I win. Shouldn't I get more than +18?
+200 vp mm gap is absolutely insane.
Does that phrasing make sense?
vagrant kernel
Well VP doesn't = MMR
So for instance, I get a bronze 1 in one of my gold/plat matches... You might think omg wtf how am I getting a bronze here, but if you look at his profile, he's a masters player on omeda.city and just started ranked and has a 100% WR
half meadow
Well VP doesn't = MMR
I understand that. And I don't think I ever said it did.
But my point still stands.
Even in your hypothetical, where a bronze got in the lobby. If the entire teams avg VP is 500..and enemy team avg vp is 500. Then it doesn't matter a bronze is in there. The vp is balanced.
However in my scenario. The vp. Isn't balanced.
Idk if I'm getting my point across. We can discontinue this convo. I don't feel like it's Makin any sense.
vagrant kernel
Yeah, you're missing the point. MMR is what determines matches, not VP.
matchmaking rating
it's in the name
You're asking for more VP on a match that is likely balanced in terms of MMR.
half meadow
Yeah, you're missing the point. MMR is what determines matches, not VP.
So I wonder why omeda city is showing the teams avg vp culmination if it truly doesn't matter 1 bit. I guess I need to ask @brave bough
half meadow
Yeah, you're missing the point. MMR is what determines matches, not VP.
Ty for clarifying this part.
I thought matches were balanced off VP.
Not a hidden mmr.
vagrant kernel
Glad I could help
half meadow
Glad I could help
So would a better question be. What's the point of VP at all, if matches aren't balanced around that specific metric?
I made an edit to my post.
vagrant kernel
So would a better question be. What's the point of VP at all, if matches aren't ...
There are probably other, better reasons, but ultimately it's the player friendly version. If you start showing people MMR, then they're going to have even more questions than they do in just seeing VP. MMR is complicated, and flucutates way more than what you see just with the + and - of your VP.
half meadow
There are probably other, better reasons, but ultimately it's the player friendl...
Ty for all of your insight.
vagrant kernel
MMR isn't just one number, it's a calculation based upon variables. Omeda.city uses trueskill, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueSkill, which bakes in your uncertainty. Trueskill was developed by Microsoft, and I'm pretty sure you need to pay a licensing fee to use it.
So yeah, a gaming studio can't just start using it. I'm not aware of how the pricing works, or if it's even viable. There are other comparable systems out there.
half meadow
So yeah, a gaming studio can't just start using it. I'm not aware of how the pri...
So if I understand it correctly. Then I can have a hidden internal mmr that's a level of platinum. But technically only have enough VP for silver.
But the lobbies I get will be probably platinum level lobbies. Although I'm in silver league?
vagrant kernel
If that's the case, then yes, and you'll net 30 or so VP per win, and lose like 5-10
half meadow
If that's the case, then yes, and you'll net 30 or so VP per win, and lose like ...
That's EXACTLY what's happening to me rn.
vagrant kernel
I'm not sure of the specifics of the numbers, but it works like that where maintaining a 50% or so WR will move you up closer to where they think you should be.
It's practically impossible to stay in bronze due to this.
The game just defaults to not expecting anyone to stay in bronze, but over time, I'm sure people will drop out of silver back into bronze and those will be the true bronze players
half meadow
The game just defaults to not expecting anyone to stay in bronze, but over time,...
I see
vagrant kernel
That's EXACTLY what's happening to me rn.
You won't know where you should be until you plateau
half meadow
Yeah I've played 28 ranked games. Lost 8. Won 20.
vagrant kernel
And even then, you can just grind up winning more than losing.
half meadow
Almost in gold.
half meadow
I'm thinking because I won a lot. My internal mmr is higher than 'silver'?
vagrant kernel
Idk how they assign MMR to VP, etc. but at a minimum if you're gaining more than you're losing per win/loss, then you should be rising in ranks
half meadow
Idk how they assign MMR to VP, etc. but at a minimum if you're gaining more than...
Yeah I see. And I am. I haven't lost in a while so idk how much I'll lose in VP
But I'll check next time.
Cause I get like +30 a win so far.