PC EA Skins Should Stay Exclusive

[vagrant flint]

im not sure why are we supposed to find solutions to this?

[prime geyser]

For the engagement

[odd mist]

Troll

[prime geyser]

The decision has been made

[daring dew]

Explain

[prime geyser]

We're just yapping now

[odd mist]

You said you don't have anything to do with this game. Why are you even here

[formal pivot]

In reality doesn't matter we are here talking just for talk. In 1 week Omeda is going to release the skins to the game, and nothing will change that, they ignored what people said for 2 years, they can continue doing the same for a bit more.

[strong yacht]

They were warning you that they are the troll. It's easier to not interact with people like that.

[molten pelican]

yikes! when was this

[odd mist]

Hey bud, I've actually engaged pretty constructively on your post here. This is uncalled for tbh

[daring dew]

As if people can't report or ask questions until they spent money on something.

By your definition people who see two people fighting can't engage because "they don't have anything to do with it".

What a absolutely useless argument.

[strong yacht]

Well, I don't see how giving them ideas to help smooth things over is a bad thing. We might actually be able to come to an agreement with them on something we all think is fair.

[strong yacht]

I wasn't talking to you mate

[daring dew]

I think that is indeed the case, judging by what they wrote prior to what I wrote. Thanks for the warning

[formal pivot]

Today, 7 hours ago. The things is, if he replied that way, to someone that was doing a clear question and having a clear doubt, I understand that account merging will happen. Or not? Its a weird answer for that dude question, so Im not sure

[formal pivot]

Its not a bad thing, for that we are here. But was saying that it wont change anything, as already happened in the past when were in a situation like this

[vagrant flint]

fine if we really have to be the ones to give solutions to this, my idea is give plat equal to skin price to every supporter pack owner

[tall orchid]

Misleading and dishonest has kind of how omeda has handled all of ea. The gas lighting,half truths, lies of omission, w/etc calling affinity their version of mastery but also not their mastery system is

[molten pelican]

but wait, if he JUST posted this today, why tf is this whole situation happening? xD

[strong yacht]

I know. I'm probably stupid for it, but I want to have faith that they will make things right.

[formal pivot]

Yeah, that is why i asked it here XD

[queen bane]

I don't mind the skins being available.... BUT ONLY if the same generous devs refund the early buyers their money (maybe via platinum + bonus).

Otherwise I am not surprised of this move from them. They already showed what matters to the company most 💸

[night sentinel]

would you guys be ok if the skins came back but we keep a special excusive chroma?

[odd mist]

I don't think it's true that they've made a decision. There's skepticism and then there's just paranoia. I think this thread should focus on finding the best alternatives that everyone would agree on. Personally I'm happy to see the skins released to console for 3 weeks but I hear the other side as well and I think it might also be cool to either give PC players something on top like an exclusive banner/icon combo or give console players a different package. Idk if there's a possible 4th option in all of this?

[formal pivot]

They can give the bundles to any one that want them, the only thing is that it will take a bit in arrive (like happens without discord EA role for example, so not a big problem)

[orchid drift]

In the description for the bundles it says all the skins can come back into the shop with dif designs on them

[dense belfry]

I'm not happy about it either, I'm just trying to think of a compromise so it's not "pc players get exactly what they want and console players get nothing"

[daring dew]

One way to solve the issue is to release the skins right now in the store till the game is released. This would mean the console players can get the skins and new players after the 1.0 can't get them, meaning they stay Early Access exclusive.

But I doubt they would do that.

[strong yacht]

That's exactly what I suggested above. Release the skins for all and forever but give EA gold versions of the heroes that were in hand upon release. Or they could limit it to 3 of our choice from the original lineup.

[night sentinel]

ye, gold chromas would be nice

[formal pivot]

That would mean more work for them, which is the opposite of what Omeda want when doing this move, that is more $ for them

[strong yacht]

No, it wouldn't be much work to do some recolors on 15 skins.

[vagrant flint]

6*

[daring dew]

Oh I don't want that either. But that is the path they decided for themselves and the players after they forgot to include the bundles or even the skins on the console for the whole duration of Early Access.

It is highly likely that they could've added the skins to the store prior to the 1.0 release. Why they didn't do that and are now doing it is anyone's guess.

But one thing seems to be clear, if they keep it the way it is right now, it is fraud.

[night sentinel]

i mean in general tbh i dont have a problem if they bring back the skins, i hate fomo in games but give the people something in return, idk like the price of the skins in platinum

[strong yacht]

They had more than 6 heroes.

[vagrant flint]

youre right

7

skins

[strong yacht]

You know what, even that would be great!

[odd mist]

They said they can't release them now due to technicalities. That has to be true btw. Because why else wouldn't they? If they could release them right now they'd just do that instead of manufacturing a fake problem with no other purpose than to annoy their own players lol

[soft cosmos]

This is the closest thing I found form pred report vi

[formal pivot]

Yeah, I also search on all, and that is the only thing mentioning the bundles. And they are not promising anything

[fossil prairie]

So that's the foundation?

Not even a solid yes just

Maybe?

[formal pivot]

The thing is that if they have not been able to release the bundles in the early access, then they should not release them to maintain their promisse of exclusivity

If they can do account merging in the future, then they should communicate it, and tell that anyone that buy the PC bundles will be able to merge that content in their accounts in the future

[strong yacht]

Does anyone have a problem with my suggestion? Just release those skins for everyone and give the EA people some golden recolors? This seems to me like a good solution.

[orchid drift]

i mean yeah lol what

why would they give away free skins

[night sentinel]

this or platinum would be ok for me

[fossil prairie]

Or just give the recolours to console?

[orchid drift]

you got plat for buying the bundles tho

[fossil prairie]

That sounds a lot easier

[daring dew]

There are other reasons, number one being money. Because skins bring in money and 1.0 is a pretty monumental release for this game, being the actual release of the game.

I am not trying to fish for arguments, I just don't understand why they couldn't add the skins prior to the 1.0 launch.

Also it doesn't have to be true. At least not to me because I would like to understand what those "technicalities" are and why they can't be solved though the whole Early Access but can suddenly be solved now that the 1.0 release is happening.

[strong yacht]

Not recolors of those EA skins. Recolors of the base skins for the heroes that were available upon release. My recommendation is a gold skin.

[orchid drift]

Source??? or did you just make it up lol

[formal pivot]

For me the problem is breaking the promise of exclusivity, personally I don't care about owning things that other doesn't, but I don't like when a company lie just for their benefit, and I like even less when they do it like in this case when they did a fake poll that was clear that was going to come out as a "yes" because console players was going to vote that

[prime geyser]

They did it for money, once again

[strong yacht]

Something like this

[daring dew]

Source for what? Asking a question and wanting that question to be answered by a staff member?

Come on. I am asking questions that I want to be answered.

Also, you don't need a source to read what they said. They already said that they want to add the skins separately into the game after the 1.0 release. So the question is why couldn't they do it prior to 1.0.
What type of source do you need to ask such a question?

[strong yacht]

I agree but hopefully we can come to an agreement.

[prime geyser]

The solution is, find out who played a match before 1.0, then give them the opportunity to buy the bundles on 1.0 release

[night sentinel]

bro, the problem isnt the compensation, the problem is some people are mad that they broke que promise they told us when buying the bundles

[prime geyser]

And remove the "including new players"

Otherwise, people are entitled to 100% refund for the EA bundles

[odd mist]

Is this possible

[orchid drift]

"There are other reasons, number one being money. Because skins bring in money and 1.0 is a pretty monumental release for this game, being the actual release of the game."

Where is this coming from they need to milk a few extra bones for mid skins lmfao

[prime geyser]

IF IT ISN'T WHAT ARE THEY DOING AS DEVELOPERS

Just genuinely

[fossil prairie]

I mean I don't see why not just recolor the EA skins ha

[odd mist]

It's me asking, not the devs lol

[prime geyser]

They keep doing the minimal effort, for double the skin prices of other games, and people will sit here and defend the company because they resurrected a corpse

[formal pivot]

The EA skins are already recolors, so it would be a bit weird XD

But yeah, not bad option

[fossil prairie]

cough rogue skins

[daring dew]

You need a source for the sentence that skins bring in money? Come on man.

Also, what I said wasn't a statement on what Omeda studios is doing. I didn't even mention them in the sentence.
It was a point for the person who was writing the message I was answering to. It was literally a different position on what could be happening.

[strong yacht]

The bundles can still be purchased on the Epic and Steam stores and if they are going to allow account linking after 1.0 then that should be the solution. Console players can log on to either of those and buy the bundles on their mobile phones. Then once account linking is enabled they can get those skins.

[night sentinel]

really hope those skins that are basically recolors become chromas of a single skin and reduce their prices later on, it doesnt feel good to spend platinum in another countess skin that have the same effects but blue this time

[orchid drift]

I 100% dont believe "Number one being money" like for sure omeda has FUMBLED the bag COUNTLESS times but unironically i dont think this is one of them, you literally dont know what youre talking about lol

[formal pivot]

If account linking really is going to work that way and Omeda know it at this moment, they should do an announcement a explain exactly this. This way

• People would pay exactly as PC users paid
• They would buy it before EA
• And the skins would maintain the exclusivity that they have right now

If account linking with account merging is coming (at any moment of the future), this is the solution

[daring dew]

I don't know what I am talking about? You misunderstood the answer I gave but I don't understand what I am talking about. Alright.

And yes, I also don't believe that to be the reason, all I did was give another possible solution of what could be happening, which was kind of the whole point of my message you mentioned.

[soft cosmos]

Hot take anything after paid ea is not true ea but semantics wins

[dense belfry]

Whether or not open beta is early access isn't really important in this situation

[strong yacht]

I do still like the idea of us getting a founders skin like the master skins for the original heroes, though. Those would be better than the 7 in the bundles.

[night sentinel]

they should just release them tbh, cause if they dont and later on they release basically the same skins but with different colors just to keep this promise it just feels like a dumb solution, like... release them, apologise for not keeping your promise, say it wont happen again and give us some kind of reward

[strong yacht]

Exactly what I'm saying.

[formal pivot]

That sounds good, its not going to happen. That would be more free things of what Omeda has given in 2 years

Well, not more but close

[formal pivot]

But its something that already happened in the past, in a lesser degree with them releasing the rewards skins from previous season in the store

[soft cosmos]

It kinda of is because omeda wants to be able to give exclusive skins to the “ea”console players but they had imitations. If they put them in the store right now vs 1.0 would that really be different?

[formal pivot]

It would be weird to do the same again, and then say it wont happen again

[dense belfry]

Yes.

[formal pivot]

When is something that has already happened and people have complained about it

[strong yacht]

Well, maybe if we can agree on a solution or two they might become options. That was basically what Kari said but she did also say there were no gurantees. So, we can either keep griping over this or we can offer solutions that they may consider to make everyone happy and whole.

[night sentinel]

ye i wasnt a fan of that but it also gave me chance to get the golden skins for saurus, as i said, i think fomo is horrible for games

[formal pivot]

Just PR talk, they are going to release the skins in 1 week

[formal pivot]

The Zarus golden skin was not a Season 2 skins, was a new one from that patch. So you could have got that skins anyways

[dense belfry]

You could at least try to have some optimism :p

[strong yacht]

I agree but what other choice do we have?

[formal pivot]

Nothing, comment here, try to give, feedback give solutions, debate about the topic, and then see how in 1 week they do what they want

Like it has been happening for the past 2 years

[soft cosmos]

Why

[strong yacht]

Def not my first time. Like I said to Kari I'm an OG Paragon and Pred player so I've been around this block a few times already. I just keep hoping they decide to do right by us.

[south nymph]

It's also a rarity thing like there's skins that are rare af to see in league of legends for example if league was to sell those skins again o n he shop there would be a riot. Rare skins are cool to have and show value you have to your players and thier choices ro support and do things within the community.

When everyone has the EA skins rhey are no longer a collectable they are just some mid af recolors of heroes.

The skins have EA in thier names they should only be given and obtainable by people in EA it's really as simple as that.

[molten pelican]

Sorry, you're an EA player who bought into exclusivity and supporting the servers being open. Now that your job is over and we have all these new players to sell those skins to, we're going with that.

[south nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-shot-shot-shots-fired-balazo-disparo-gif-12156521

[molten pelican]

That's just how it feels, bc It's not just the console players who also supported during EA that will be allowed to buy the skins either, it's going to be ALL of the new players that get eyes on this game as well.

[rose rampart]

Yeah that’s the part that doesn’t sit right with me tbh. They should’ve released it this week then make it dissapear with 1.0 🤷‍♂️

[molten pelican]

agree.

[rose rampart]

That’s a even middle ground imo

[south nymph]

Yes which is the issue all rareness is gone poof the skins are just recolors we overpaid for pog the only reason I use the EA skins is because they say EA on them that's it. They don't look incredible or like anything special. Thier value or cool factor is the EA.

[molten pelican]

This should've been done at least partially after console got full access, they're just adding the skins into the store to buy, not some bundle with all the plat and everything bc they said they can't do that. This screams "It's all about the money" to me, and I hate that.

[south nymph]

I mean they said console can't get a bundle here's a crazy idea just sell them individually out of a bundle could've done that months ago no???

[molten pelican]

YUP exactly, why is this coming with 1.0? It should've never gotten to this point. It's honestly crazy.

[prime geyser]

Or find a way that filters people who played a game before 1.0

They have the API, it should be possible

[south nymph]

I mean they have that data if they aren't able to see when accounts were made thay have big problems

[prime geyser]

Exactly

Why does the solution have to be decided without that in mind

Or if that's not possible

Why isn't it

[south nymph]

Cause F you give me money

https://tenor.com/view/cry-crying-cat-crying-cat-cry-why-gif-27571714

[prime geyser]

[formal pivot]

And if they release it it should be as bundles in the store, not as separated skins. A 20$, 50$ and 80$ bundle

[torpid swift]

If anything

But like I said before the offer should have been gone after EA

you can’t advertise something as an exclusive limited time offer and then keep it around for 2 years

They have really backed themselves into a corner

[rose rampart]

Yeah fully agree

[torpid swift]

If every single PC player uninstalled the game tomorrow they wouldn’t bat an eye

They gotta get that Xbox bag

[prime geyser]

Welcome to the reality of it

They don't care about the community

[old portal]

Genuinely I would not be surprised if they forgot/it’s an oversight. Not an excuse but could be the case

[south nymph]

It's not an oversight

There's no way it's an oversight that's been mentioned for months by us. We made posts mad about EA being extended into open beta and doors being open with access to skins.

This is just a continuation of the frustrations about this topic

[odd mist]

How would you guys feel if they put the EA Bundles on the Store for 3 weeks but gave something else to the OG PC players? Like icon/banner or crown? Would you still be pissed? The skins themselves honestly aren't even that amazing. It seems to be the exclusivity that matters most to the commenters here

[prime geyser]

Why not release an "early bird" skin bundle then?

Doesn't need to be the EA exclusive skins

[dense belfry]

People have said multiple times that they don't even care about the skins, it's just the principle

[molten pelican]

let's be honest, the skins are ass. It's the lying and changing up what was promised that is the actual issue.

[old portal]

That pfp is insane bro lol

[prime geyser]

I mean, this applies

[old portal]

Yeah its just trust at the end of the day

Exclusive is a pretty clearly defined term. I get console people missed out and Omeda missed out on some $ but that’s their own fault

Plus if Ace is literally saying today account linking will come later, they can simply push people to the PC bundles for this last week, no?

[molten pelican]

they will make less money that way bc the bundles come with plat AND the skins. They want to be able to sell the plat and the skins at 1.0

[old portal]

And the thing is, if they simply recolored these things, renamed them, there’d be no issue

[rose rampart]

its the way account linking works that may not work but yeah i do see ur point

[half hornet]

Bottom left says “These items will be added during early access and will not be available immediately on release.” There is also the section in the middle bottom that contradicts what I Quoted. But at the end of the day they always planned to add these skins back anyways

[old portal]

“Exclusive skins” has to mean something lol

Exclusive to what then?

[prime geyser]

Exclusive in your heart

[half hornet]

Exclusive to your wallet bro

[old portal]

There is also an asterisk on that line of text. It pertains to the icons. You can see the icons have an asterisk (*) next to them. So nice try, but that’s not covering them

They would have had to put an asterisk next to those skins if that’s what they wanted to do

I work in marketing lol

[half hornet]

Nice catch tbh. Now I can go back to OG BBL

[rose rampart]

these are not good screenshots bro, theyre cut off

[prime geyser]

That's on the release of EA

That you won't get the icon and role

[old portal]

It’s only showing the asterisks

[rose rampart]

ah my bad

[prime geyser]

But if that's used as a semantic

It's fucked up

[half hornet]

Yeah nah, actually as someone who doesn’t care about cosmetics. Give me my money back if other people get to buy the bundles now

https://tenor.com/view/aragorn-lotr-this-day-we-fight-gif-14120757

[molten pelican]

i mean tbh, this has potential to be opened up to legal action.

[half hornet]

100%

Where my pred lawyer at

@wide phoenix

[wide phoenix]

[wide phoenix]

I should buy the bundle, emotional damage can be rather lucrative these days

[vagrant flint]

no one has the balls

[half hornet]

Someone will start one

[vagrant flint]

you think someone's gonna sue omeda? lol

the legal fees gonna be high af

still less than undertow bundle tho

[molten pelican]

hahaha

[half hornet]

The problem is there will be a lawyer willing to do a pro bono because they know they will win

No pro bono but probably for no fee until they win

[vagrant flint]

then why aren't all these mobile games getting sued

[dense belfry]

The thing on the bottom left isn't related to how long they'll be available, it's saying that not everything in the bundles would be available the moment early access was ready.

The middle bottom though, yeah, that's exactly what it says

[vagrant flint]

besides, if they win, what will they win? a refund? lol

[coral current]

I encourage you all not to spiral this topic into legal challenges against Omeda as the thread will quickly be locked for going off topic. Such challenges or discussions will not be permitted in community spaces.

I'd also encourage you to reread the T&C's you agreed to when you installed the game.

This isn't a challenge nor am I here to quash you. I'm just reminding you that my last message was a request for this topic to go in a more constructive direction. If that request cannot be headed then I will have to lock the thread.

[half hornet]

Yeah, I already said it was a nice catch and changed my stance

[half hornet]

I was just gonna comment about how terms and conditions need to be reread anyways

[timid oracle]

it is very on topic tho is it not? its directly related to the skins being promised as early access exclusice and that being undone

[molten pelican]

link the t&c then.

[old portal]

Sorry Kari, I promise it’s not meant to be a legal thing. But as someone who works in marketing, that’s why it’s there

[coral current]

You can do your own research, as I've already done.

[coral current]

I also work in marketing. Please refer to our T&C's for more information

And that will be the last I'll say on the legal stuff

Any more and this thread will be considered off topic and locked

[sonic condor]

It's literally a monkey's paw type deal we've been given with Omeda here. They're now giving us more communication - but using it in such a way that basically gives a big middle finger to anyone who was upset from the lack of communication beforehand.

"Oh you want us to communicate more and do public polls?"
a finger on the monkey's paw curls

[half hornet]

I’m sure someone will try to get something going. I disagree about how it could be being handled. But at the end of the day if it were to happen, we would all kind of just lose a game we enjoy and the monetary gain would be almost none so what would the point?

[molten pelican]

Exclusivity means nothing, omeda's word means nothing. enjoy the goal posts being moved constantly. 👍

[south nymph]

I mean this game needs a lot of work before I call it good. It's decent at best and it's apparently ready for 1.0

Pred has potential and its not reaching far enough to obtain it yet. Just reaching for our wallets 💀

[half hornet]

Let’s just get off of the subject of legal action and get back onto what actually matters

[night ingot]

I honestly don't care of the out come one-way or another both pc and console players were made promises regarding access to the ea exclusive packs. I feel like its just as easy to release chromas like what was done with the holy grux pelt khaimera to avoid the backlash from either side.

[rose rampart]

topic

please stick to it like kari said

[old portal]

If someone finds the T&Cs for the bundle, send it over and I’ll give it a read

[half hornet]

It’s not for the bundle it’s for the game itself

Most terms and services protect them if they do decide to do something like this with their assets

[dense belfry]

The t&c really aren't hidden, I found them in less than a minute. No I won't link it, go find it yourself

[half hornet]

It’s why madden doesn’t get sued regularly

[old portal]

Me clicking on their privacy policy from the epic games store

[coral current]

The careers site? Odd link. I'll get that fixed

[half hornet]

I don’t know, there are a lot of hills to die on. But a bundle being offered to console players on release that we bought and it only has some mediocre skins at best is really weird.

[old portal]

I think it’s more what someone else shared. If this is “exclusive” what the fuck does that mean?

[half hornet]

It is exclusive to predecessor

[old portal]

Lol

[south nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-howard-new-fish-in-town-clap-jump-off-a-cliff-gif-25136613

[dense belfry]

Agreed, more against the players than omeda :p

[half hornet]

Listen, I’ve become more active the last few weeks with my displeasure on some things that have been happening with this game. But when I bought the top bundle, I got it when they discounted it for like $40. I didn’t purchase the top bundle because of the skins and the icons. I bought the top bundle because I wanted to support a game from an nostalgia standpoint that I enjoyed before it got shut down. But also 10,000 was a hell of a deal.

[vagrant flint]

facts

[royal pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/desmondpacito-cooking-chef-gif-12378159

[night ingot]

They had stated multiple times they intended for the console player to be able to purchase these packs, prior to full release. Full release was pushed ahead (for better or for worse is another discussion) and the ea packs were not approved for sale until after the full release on console platforms. Honestly, a lot of the people pissed in this form were mad when Omeda originally stated they were going to make the ea packs purchasable on console.

[south nymph]

Listen if I wanted to support them I would just buy the lower pass for entry. Given I was coming from fault that had so many features pred still hadn't even implemented yet and it's still missing some ......

I paid for the best pack because I wanted exclusive skins that would have value long term

The skins themselves outside crunches are mid af.

But the EA sticker on them is what has value

If everyone can get them the value is gone and I would've paid 20$ for entry and not way more for the skins

[half hornet]

I disagree, I think the biggest selling point was the 10,000 platinum because it was a huge discount for that much. It allows you to save it for further purchases or better cosmetics

[south nymph]

Disagree the skins have more long term value then some platinum or at least they should

[dense belfry]

That was honestly why I got it too, yeah
Well, that and supporting

[old portal]

Ain’t no way Kari is throwing in the 10,000 plat when these drop on the 20th lol

[dense belfry]

They aren't. The bundles they're thinking of releasing are just the skins, in the in-game store

[half hornet]

What value does an in game cosmetic have?

[royal pelican]

nah i disagree tbh
with 10k plat you can buy better skins
the ea skins are for the most part pretty bad
with 10k plat u can buy the skins you want the most and have some left over

[rose rampart]

theyre not, only the skins

[gentle forge]

Yeah, but i want the skins too and am a console player… bending the rules is fun sometimes no?

[old portal]

Push 1.0 back three weeks. It’s settled

[south nymph]

Collector rare item ever heard of it?

You think everyone walks around with the rare af Alistar or twisted fate skin everyday?

No no they dont

[south nymph]

But those skins are not rare

[dense belfry]

Seen so many people saying they don't care about the skins and never even wear them

[old portal]

Yeah the crunch skin is definitely a collector piece and giving it out reduces the value for sure

Even if it’s sentimental

[half hornet]

You mean the cosmetics that look good and don’t look like generic knock off? There is nothing special about these bundle cosmetics except it just gives them access to some different visuals early on.

[old portal]

The idea you bought that on the basis of exclusivity is valid

[south nymph]

What's special is they are EA skins only EA players have lmfao

Like I don't know how you can even argue they have no value

[old portal]

Literally every game does this with “preorder exclusives”

[dense belfry]

It's not like you can resell them

[south nymph]

Yes and most of those games don't backstab thier early supporters

[half hornet]

Right

[old portal]

It’s just another fumble on a disaster for that bundle. They should have stopped selling it when they moved to free-to-play/open beta

[dense belfry]

I'd prefer if the skins remained EA only, but I also would rather the console players not miss out on skins they want because of something totally out of their control.

[old portal]

You bought something that is just full of promises that are broken. It’s not a good look

[night ingot]

But at the same time are they not trying to not backstab their early supporters. Again, Omeda stated multiple times they intended for the console player to be able to purchase these packs, prior to full release.

[molten pelican]

Can't find the announcement for that.

[south nymph]

K then look at the data and only give it to accounts created before 1.0 done simple

[old portal]

It’s basically “who do we screw over because we didn’t have our shit together?”

Well console make more money so gg ez

[tidal bobcat]

I paid for skins advertised as exclusive to EA and would like to have that promise honored. I feel like there doesn't need to be any further justification. I am entitled to what I paid for.

[night ingot]

this 100%

[royal pelican]

The only reason someone would want a rare skin over a cool looking skin is bragging rights tbh

[south nymph]

No it's as a collectors item a cool factor that you were there

[old portal]

Gamers fucking love that shit

[tidal bobcat]

just look at fortnite

[old portal]

You think they called them exclusive to not help sell them?

[dense belfry]

Who do you think gets more screwed over, the people who don't use the skins in the first place or the people who want them but were never able to buy them? :p

[timid oracle]

the people who already spent money

what kinda question is that

[old portal]

I think the best course of action for something like that is recolor them all and give console a 1.0 celebration bundle

[dense belfry]

That wasn't a part of my question.

[timid oracle]

what? that literally was the question

who got screwed over more? the people who were promised exclisive or those who cant buy it

the people spending money

easy answer

[half hornet]

I can’t wait for them to add the bundle to console

[dense belfry]

Again, I'd just rather side with people who actually use the skins than the people who don't even like them and are only upset because more will have them

[old portal]

Lotta assumptions in here dawg

[timid oracle]

had i known they were adding crowns with their affinity crap id have demanded an ea supporter crown

[south nymph]

It being an EA skin is the only reason to use the skin lmfao

[dense belfry]

I think some of them look good :p

[south nymph]

Ya crunch

That's it

[old portal]

Did we find the first piss steel enjoyer?

[dense belfry]

Most are on heroes I don't use but I use Muriel's

[steep drum]

you're missing the point

every single person who bought a bundle above rare did so specifically for exclusive skins. that's the only difference between the bundles.. which skins are included.

[half hornet]

I just think there are bigger things that we should be wanting with this game or concerned about than a bundle

[steep drum]

people who bought any bundle besides rare are now being told their shit isn't actually exclusive

[half hornet]

Wrong I bought the biggest one for the platinum

[timid oracle]

not really, being lied to for my money is the biggest thing this game company can do to me in fact

[dense belfry]

Didn't know that's why I bought it

[old portal]

Brother making assumptions and then calling out other’s assumptions?

[dense belfry]

Where was I making assumptions? So many people have said they don't even like the EA skins and only bought them because they were exclusive

[steep drum]

platinum wasn't really different between bundles.

dollar to plat ratio was pretty equal.

[old portal]

Yoink

[steep drum]

the only tangible difference is what skins were Included.

[half hornet]

Then next time, go buy a coffee cup because you can reuse that mug as much as you want

[south nymph]

What do you mean that's why you buy a coffee cup wtf

[half hornet]

It’s just me saying don’t put money into video games if you’re not ready to be disappointed

[old portal]

Good reminder you got better luck talking to brick walls at times around these parts

[timid oracle]

pretty obscure way to say that

[south nymph]

But I chose to buy the coffee cup and got the coffee cup I refill every morning what

[half hornet]

Yeah, I’m not gonna lie. Wasn’t my hottest one.

[timid oracle]

"dont like how they treat supporters, well you better not shit in the sink"

the heck

[old portal]

I believe the words being thrown around are “scam” and “fraud” lol

[steep drum]

if this doesnt apply to EA stuff. we can't expect it to apply to anything in the future.

so I say let them sell the skins after ea. makes it easy to never trust them regarding exclusivity again

[old portal]

Find some way to make the bundle on console accessible to people who downloaded the game before 1.0. ONLY those people can buy it. Done. Case closed.

[molten pelican]

exactly, nothing from them should be taken seriously if they can't even have a firm stance on what exclusive means.

[timid oracle]

honestly since they added mastery with a paywall i havent bought anything other than ea pack and they havent done anything to deserve money

[south nymph]

And if it can't be done before 1.0 then just delay it again not like everything hasn't been slow af for months anyways

[steep drum]

they stated mastery would be play to unlock from day 1. so I get not buying plat but thats a silly reason imo

[timid oracle]

game has been in EA for 2 years and suddenly its a rush to push an update? lol

[rose rampart]

stay on topic

[south nymph]

Push EA skins in a 1.0 update kekw

[timid oracle]

im just talking from a trust point, a re-used system and charging 5 bucks a char

[rose rampart]

i dont want this thread to turn into a "game not ready for 1.0" thread

[half hornet]

You came in and sent this right when I was about to go a little off-topic about the release date and I had to delete it RIP

I get too many warnings about it, I have to respect it

[tranquil mulch]

Dw, ill get it back on rail.

Omeda bad. Me want exclusive skins

[half hornet]

As long as they are only Muriel

[old portal]

Thank u cavewoman

[sonic condor]

LMAO I said this before I even read your comment

Still catching up x.x

[tidal bobcat]

"Man I really wish Omeda would use polls in the discord!"

Monkey paw curls

[sonic condor]

That's actually a little more worrying than the current situation. I might be reading this wrong, but from the way it sounds; It sounds like it was going to be a decision made behind close doors and seeing the multiple trends this game has followed regarding monetization - I feel like I know exactly how that decision would've turned out.

[prime geyser]

Money money money money

[old portal]

Kari is actually our Jesus

[prime geyser]

I'm sure Ace as the CEO is moving this forward regardless

[half hornet]

as he should

[old portal]

Well that’s the weird part. He was in the NDA creator discord alluding to holding it up

[prime geyser]

Short-term profits over long-term community trust

[old portal]

Like “the poll is not final” lingo

[half hornet]

The community he is about to bring in on 1.0 is going to be bigger than us

[old portal]

Feels like a reach

[prime geyser]

Just like the community before console...

It's always an alienation

[old portal]

Also not saying much lol

[half hornet]

Why? Console already has more players than pc AND its not even being advertised on xbox rn. The community will boom and offering these bundles to new gamers will keep them hooked. I know they could just add a new bundle, but honestly none of the skins are like mad brag skins anyways. Crunch has a cool skin, sure, but when the valentines one gets added down the road its the same thing but in pink.

You wanna brag that yours is black and grey?

like who tf cares

[old portal]

Piss steel is not hooking anyone

[half hornet]

That ones real bad

[old portal]

Undertow will sell way more than this

[half hornet]

But its going to be like 4x the price

[molten pelican]

$120

[half hornet]

I don't doubt that RG and the Omeda team appreciate us, but we aren't the target audience on full release

[old portal]

I’m a console player 🙂

[half hornet]

They are trying to bring in a younger group that will help the community grow, not a bunch of nostalgia haters

[half hornet]

They are looking for younger

[steep drum]

that's not the point.

[molten pelican]

That's what they tried to do with console, and f2p, and those players churned out fast af lol

[steep drum]

the point is this

[half hornet]

Honestly, thats because there really is no reason to play the game rn. Nothing to work towards

[molten pelican]

agreed, and making some skins that were exclusive before for EA, completely open for everyone on launch isn't going to help that.

[half hornet]

Money means projects can advance

[zenith palm]

theres a lot better ways to make money

and make the entire commnity happy..

[steep drum]

point is they advertised something with a definitive end date.

the very idea that this date is now not definitive means that they cant be trusted in anything

[zenith palm]

so far omeda really hasnt done a good job wit hthem but people that dont know about the passed are are smooth brained will just give money

[molten pelican]

They have a nice chunk of money from investors, those skins only add in to the vision of investors seeing a return and wanting to stay with the project, not actively adding to the projects. And alienating your EA playerbase who helped show the interest in your game is odd.

[steep drum]

all they had to do was take this shit. tint it green for Ms and blue for ps then resell it.

it's different, they don't even propose the idea that they lied

win win.

[half hornet]

I know. Of course there are always better ways. But Omeda likes the path of The most resistance

[molten pelican]

I mean, they should've just added these skins in the store for console players when they added console players so they could just buy them before hand, but they're looking to get the most value out of them, so it's just open season for 1.0 to get the most money, while hiding it under the guise of "we wanted the console EA players to have a chance to get them too"

[steep drum]

hey hubby. would you be happy if I cheated on you? I know it's breaking our vows, but I told kyle I'd sleep with him before I got married and I didn't get the chance to.

of course kyle would vote yes.

of course hubby would be pissed.

[half hornet]

comparing cosmetics to cheating is wild lol

[steep drum]

the principle seems lost. so hyperbole is used to illustrate.

[zenith palm]

they really do

wich is insane

[half hornet]

So when the bundle launches on console, wha are you going to do?

[zenith palm]

like literally i cant grasp

if they give a skin away

they get 20 bucks

literally

they still ahve yet to really do that since affinity fix.

i do not feel welcome

after purchasing a 80 dollar bundle

since that time

and the game is kinda in a sad state

why would i invest money?

[half hornet]

There are just more important things to worry about with this game than a cosmetic bundle3

[zenith palm]

they have yet to motiviate me and many others

shouldof been battle pass for 25 bucks, all commons

[half hornet]

outside of the bundle purchase, i haven't spent a dime on this game

[zenith palm]

instead they kick your pinky toe

and hope the idiots that will give them money. 'we cant let paragon dieeee'

foprgive me

i ahve already given them big money initally

[half hornet]

Aint no refunds this time around if the game goes bye bye

[zenith palm]

and have played for awhile

so i have a natural assumption that people should know wat they did wrong but

they dont know so they think they nice company

[prime geyser]

For the game to not go byebye, it needs to be a good fucking game that retains players

Currently, it ain't it, except those with rose tint

[half hornet]

Which the bundle staying exclusive won't help

[old portal]

Deceiving half your player base is good for the bye bye train

[dense belfry]

If they don't give the bundle to console players that'd also be deceiving half the player base lol

[old portal]

Builds trust and confidence, which this game/dev team is full of

[prime geyser]

They backed themselves into the corner

[old portal]

Whose fault is that?

[prime geyser]

And are forcing players to infight

[sonic condor]

oof

[dense belfry]

Theirs, but again I don't think console players should get screwed over :p

[old portal]

Then the easiest solution is release the bundles and delay 1.0

[steep drum]

problem is, nothing stopped them from making these bundles available to console before now

[zenith palm]

nah the solution is to just release the bundles for 3 weeks but get rewarded for it as a early adopter

[prime geyser]

Except being lazy

[zenith palm]

and hopefulyl they get there head out of there ass

[steep drum]

exactly

[half field]

I'll take a refund on my "exclusive" content.

[steep drum]

account linking would have solved that issue and should have been an option with open beta/console release

[half field]

$80 in the paypal and I'm no longer mad

[half hornet]

Kari admitted there were problems getting them on console

[prime geyser]

Or literally making the bundles available for purchase on the respective stores

There were months available to them

[half hornet]

if you bought when it dropped it was like $40

[half field]

I did, but I want the full $80

[molten pelican]

yea they could've just done the skins on the store like they're doing now. problem solved, months ago.

[steep drum]

no.
there are problems with the xbox store not allowing bundles for early access games.

this is known and agreed upon by all games entering xbox preview. this is not a technical issue they couldn't avoid. it is something they chose to move forward with.

had they implemented account linking with console access, then those people could have made purchases via EGS/steam and there wouldn't be any issues

[half hornet]

hindsight is 20/20. But at the end of the day, most people upset about the buindle being offered on console will still load up and play the next day

[molten pelican]

yea maybe if they truly are that weak willed or feel like they don't have better games to play.

[half hornet]

a majority

[maiden rock]

I’m confused though. These bundles being offered are just temporary right…??? Meaning it’s just being offered to make up for Xbox players being unable to acquire them. Correct???
(I’m not asking for opinions. I just haven’t been able to follow this whole thing while at work)

[half hornet]

Yeah, they wont be in forever

[molten pelican]

glad to not be a part of that. I won't sit here and try to tell people to not play, but I don't think it's a good idea to just not say anything either.

[steep drum]

dont get me wrong.

game is still good and i will still play it. its probably my favorite.

but if i cant trust them to keep their word, i wont be giving them any more money

[maiden rock]

If that’s the case then it only makes sense that they have their chance. But it should only be available for Xbox for like a month and no other platform

[molten pelican]

hahaha

[maiden rock]

If that’s the case they aren’t going back on their word or anything

[molten pelican]

i wish that would happen.

[maiden rock]

They just making one thing right

[molten pelican]

It's gonna be open for everyone.

[unkempt trench]

You guys trust any gaming company?

[molten pelican]

bc money.

[zenith palm]

for real.

[unkempt trench]

Still going to play tonight

Still going to watch Papaya upload a video

[maiden rock]

I mean I gotta be honest I don’t even like any of the EA skins that were available. It was just heavily discounted plat. So either way I’m fine

[zenith palm]

❤️

[half hornet]

Still going to blame the jungler

[zenith palm]

we gotta make up that money by playing on the servers baby

[steep drum]

they advertised the bundles will be discountinued when the game leaves EA and all content included therin would be unavailable.

now they are asking everyone if its okay to renege on that, knowing full well that the majority stands to benefit and would therefore agree

[half hornet]

THIS WAS MY POINT

[zenith palm]

for me its about how omeda does there shit.

idgaf about al lthis stuff

i bought legendary

to supporet the dvs

until i found out they are predatory af

wether its the investor or rgsauce

or alex

[tall orchid]

They've done literally nothing since launch to show they can keep their word

[zenith palm]

^

[unkempt trench]

what time is the video dropping?

[zenith palm]

i dropepd the video already of this issue and the zinx leak

1 hr ago

[tall orchid]

And have actually shown repeatedly their word means nothing

[zenith palm]

i just did a shinbi mid game...

tank shinbi mid game*

might go on youtube hehe

[maiden rock]

Ok so why don’t well all type this “we are okay with you guys doing this if we get something truly exclusive in return”

[zenith palm]

btw dont build flux matricx on shinbi

[maiden rock]

If every single person types it

[steep drum]

aside from the variants.. they have largely avoided doing things that affect their customer's wallets

[maiden rock]

They’ll pretty much be forced to do it

lol

[prime geyser]

Make something new and make that exclusive

[zenith palm]

we already got the exclusive stuff moo

thats the thing 2.0

[prime geyser]

There's already the undertow skins

[zenith palm]

sorry but its not my fault omeda fucked up

[prime geyser]

Why are the EA exclusives being added too

[zenith palm]

give me one undertow skin free

[steep drum]

excuse me ser, I'd like to see my excslusive discord role

[zenith palm]

^

[steep drum]

show me where its at

[zenith palm]

the longer they way the harder itll be to add lol

[half hornet]

it is coming

[sonic condor]

Nah because they also can't add skin variants individually to the store outside of a bundle remember?

[steep drum]

i mean its not like as recently as after zarus they still claimed it was exclusive or anything

[hallow garnet]

Just wait for 1 month after Undertow skins are out for the Exclusive Chroma bundles of Undertow since they dragged out chroma variants 1 month after every new skin

Just like ruby scarab and for some fucking reason Grux Pelt Khai has chroma even though it was a part of a EA Bundle

[sonic condor]

We aren't the target audience period. The target audience is every new person they can grab and make money off of before burnout grabs them. That's the model I've been witnessing since joining.

[maiden rock]

The crazy thing is that omeda strait up is asking us and everyone acting like they pulled the trigger and I feel like next time they think about involving the community in a tough decision they just gonna think twice and not bother

Do I think anything other than overwhelming opposition will stop them from doing this? No. Unless it’s like 100% of ppl they will probably end up doing it. But do I think they’ll ask us some shit again? After this… prolly not

[prime geyser]

Just like when they reduced the skin prices and said "well, it didn't affect the sales, so we won't decrease them again"

It's trying to squeeze more money under the guise of goodwill

[sonic condor]

So then the people who did support EA deserve to be screwed over for the console players then?

[prime geyser]

And if the community keeps having outrage over things they ask for, I don't think the problem is the community, but the things they're asking/doing

[maiden rock]

I just think the community isn’t understanding enough towards what they’re facing as a dev company (and I’m not saying poor omeda) but there’s a lot of shit they probably feel forced to do

[prime geyser]

They back themselves in too many corners

If anything, the players give them waaaay too much leniency because "it's paragon, pls, don't let it die"

[tall orchid]

Maybe don't spew a bunch of high faluting nonsense about wanting the community to be involved and be held accountable or how good monetization is a core value if you don't actually mean a single syllable of it

[prime geyser]

Players have been understanding, dare I say for a year now

Since the skin pricing, the affinity, the FOMO bundles...

At what point do you realize they're squeezing people dry?

[eternal kestrel]

autobot! protect predecessor!

[tall orchid]

The first time they asked for money outside of the bundles

[fresh valley]

I'm gonna just parrot what I said earlier when it was all heated in general chat, it's not so much the asking for the poll and the likes, it's more so them choosing to do so now a week before 1.0 asking us if they should release EA exclusive bundles after 1.0

[sonic condor]

How many times have they backed themselves into this corner though and why are we the ones who always have to bail them out and be understanding for THEIR lack of foresight?

[prime geyser]

It's still going back on their words that "it won't be available for purchase after release"

[fresh valley]

they've had ages to address this issue, they KNEW they couldn't release the bundles alongside the client on PS/Xbox because of their guidelines

[prime geyser]

How many months were they saying Sony was screwing them over for console

That should have been in consideration at least

[fresh valley]

they could have asked us a month or so ago, if not before. They showed they don't need to do anything client side to add items to the ingame store, which they could have done for these skin bundles

it's just another classic Omeda fumble at this point

[prime geyser]

And what's paradoxical is that they can't remove those items for 3 weeks now, somehow, apparently, for whatever fucking reason

[fresh valley]

I guarantee if we had this poll as late as last month, there wouldn't be as much uproar

[sonic condor]

And then now it's Microsoft that's screwing them. And before that it was the cert. process. Before that it was the ps4. Before that it was the Backend. Before that it was the UI. And so on and so forth

it has been an endless march of roadblocks and excuses and it is frankly tiring.

[fresh valley]

I truely believe it is all down to them wanting to add the items as a DLC bundle alongside the game client in the console storefronts for some reason

[sonic condor]

I have seen dev teams with less experience than this knock games out of the park.

[fresh valley]

maybe to gauge and show console revenue stream to their investors

[prime geyser]

Duh, that's why you could only refund 5$ if you bought any of the bundles

If you got the legendary bundle, but didn't like the game, your refund is only 5$ out of 100$

[eternal kestrel]

Don't spend the money yet

Check the 1.0 peak Playerbase and decide buy to skin

[fresh valley]

no you could full refund, but had more hoops to jump through with steam support

idk about Epic

[prime geyser]

Right

Still, it's an extra annoyance to deal with

[stuck prairie]

They know exactly what they are doing. They are bought. Look at every bit of decision they have done thus far, a spat on the face to the community just to benefit Corporate Commander.

[fresh valley]

but I do recall way back at the time of EA launch some were calling it a scam because of the refund policies, but tbh that was on Steam and not Omeda

but yes, all of this seems to point towards profit margins and income gauging

[prime geyser]

It always is

Short-term profits over long-term player confidence

"We're waiting for console players before we reduce skin prices"

[fresh valley]

and to tack onto the end of my stance, the bundles should have been removed when we got console CBT, OBT at the very latest

[prime geyser]

"We're waiting for UI before we add free currency"

[zenith palm]

oh ya ur right

cause they put it as dlc

[fresh valley]

when it was no longer needed to pay for access

[zenith palm]

it was hard to refund / couldnt refund aprt of it lol

forgot about that

[fresh valley]

yep, but again, kinda on Steam on that part with their policies

[zenith palm]

maybe they knew

idk

[prime geyser]

Omeda could've done it without the DLC, but instead with the microtransaction systems

[zenith palm]

at this point i wouldnt be surprised haha

[fresh valley]

but a point someone made in one of the chat channels earlier, they didn't have to make the game pay to play, CBT keyfest was evident of that

[steep drum]

i mean. its not like they could have put these bundles in the store for plat months ago or anything.

[inland sparrow]

Man this thread exploded. I’m not even gonna do this today lol

[sonic condor]

Yes, but was it something they knew about and abused or something they didn't know about that just kinda screwed them? Because many developers are aware of Steams refund policies. That's why the Garten of Banban creator started to fill the game up with useless segments and parts of the game meant to artifically lengthen it - in order to counteract the "Refund Speedruns" that were happening.

[steep drum]

the bundles have been required to play the game this whole time so it makes sense.

[fresh valley]

I mean, why not? if it's just for the skins, what was stopping them?

[tall orchid]

A completely earned loss of confidence

[hallow garnet]

Just wait for those Undertow Chromas 1 month after they release with FOMO attatched to them and no amber bundles because "These are the first premium skins after 1.0" or something

[steep drum]

incompetence, greed, laziness. all of the above. who knows.

im being facetious

[fresh valley]

the bundles were only required up until OBT on all platforms

[fresh valley]

oh ok fair

[molten pelican]

ye dont worry about it, omeda is fine with taking another L if the profits they're projecting to get from having more skins available meet their expectations.

[fresh valley]

yeah I get that as well

[hallow garnet]

The bundles aren't even bundles since they didn't even have a discount with them or anything Bundle implies some type of deal

[fresh valley]

their finance department was most likely aware of Steams policies

[prime geyser]

The deal is exclusive content

Well, not exclusive anymore, sucka

[hallow garnet]

Their monetization is just a dude from Ubisoft

[fresh valley]

that comes down to semantics, as a bundle is just a collection of items

not neccessarily at a discout

but we did get more plat than the bundles worth

[prime geyser]

Plat is inflated as shit

[inland sparrow]

I have no opinion on cosmetic related topics. I don’t spend, I don’t equip, I barely notice in game…🫠

[steep drum]

it was a deal tho.

the bundles all came with fair value in plat. everything else can be considered "bonus"

[prime geyser]

It's Omeda that can put the pricing on it however they wish

[hallow garnet]

Either way, Grux Pelt Khai bundle with better fidelity than the OG pelt skin felt like a real slap in the face

[steep drum]

i personally only paid like $40 for 10k plat and not-really-exclusive skins.

[fresh valley]

I think THAT is the main sentiment there, Qtr

this all feels like a giant slap in the face to the early adopters

who, without, this game wouldn't have survived

[prime geyser]

The early adopters get consistently screwed over

[hallow garnet]

We don't even get the chromas of the EA Skin that we 'exclusively paid for'

[prime geyser]

You gave them their money

[hallow garnet]

Can't even get recolors of Khai for free?

[prime geyser]

Now they don't care about you anymore

[molten pelican]

for sure, it's just the beat to death sentiment that omeda will move the goal posts as they please and change their minds on whatever they want at any given time. Words mean nothing, if the profits look to be there.

[sonic condor]

Absolutely, it was a practice they abused because they didn't think many people would even want a refund and that it wouldn't come back to bite them. Which in the end it didn't. Because they're still here even after a lifetime of predatory problems.

Does this game have passionate people behind it? Absolutely.

Are those with the passion in control of the project and its direction? Most likely not. Which is why we keep seeing things being done behind close doors that are clearly predatory/disrespectful to the community at large. And these practices keep happening and we literally now have evidence that someone on the team has to step in and say "Hey maybe we shouldn't discuss this in a closed environment".

[steep drum]

even proposing the poll just means they don't care about how they market, and their word is worthless.

the skins themselves aren't an issue.

[sonic condor]

If someone on the team has to step in and say that, there is a problem with this team's direction and leadership.

It's should be a no-brainer that a subject like this shouldn't be discussed behind closed doors and your community manager has to come in and intervene???

HUH

[fresh valley]

I mean, we don't know what the internal conversation was

[sonic condor]

That does not instill confidence.

[fresh valley]

and they do need to appease the investors

so I can understand the business side of it

[sonic condor]

Which leads me to know most likely where that internal conversation was going to go.

[fresh valley]

it's just how they handled the situation, this close to 1.0

which is ludicrous

[steep drum]

i 'member when this discord was just smokie showing off neat shit hes working on and a small crowd of teary-eyed paragon vets waiting in anticipation for the next tidbit of info.

omeda has changed drastically since then, and this just shows some of how much

[prime geyser]

I mean, even Smokie himself changed after launch

I argued with him on skin prices, and here was there to defend to the bitter end the stupid pricing

[fresh valley]

I'm guessing this was before they obtained larger grants or investment money

[steep drum]

ahem launch is in a week 😂

[steep drum]

years before yes lol

[prime geyser]

Paid EA launch

[steep drum]

it was literally just one guy working on bringing back a game he loved

[prime geyser]

Where people were mad about the Gideon skin being 15$ over a tiny remodel

[fresh valley]

like I DO understand the outrage on both the PC and console side, but I also understand their need to appease the investors

they should have just been more open with us on this topic in particular way before now

[sonic condor]

I truly think involving themselves with investors was a terrible idea. Truly investors are the loan sharks of the business world and the only thing they're looking for is a project that makes them money. They don't care if you're truly promising or not. They don't care if you're passionate about your project. They care if you can recoup the money they give you and then the interest set in the contract.

[prime geyser]

However long ago, there was the claim that they didn't need to appease the investors

So them doing all the predatory shit runs contrary to it

[steep drum]

kari said in this thread, its not about money

[fresh valley]

I mean, how else will the project be funded? we have benefitted from those investments with developement quality, although the pacing has much to be desired

[steep drum]

https://tenor.com/view/actions-speak-louder-than-words-gang-randy-marsh-south-park-actions-are-louder-than-words-actions-over-words-gif-24923744

LAAAAMME

[fresh valley]

of course she will, whether it's true or not

[prime geyser]

There's a reason they're going forward with it

[sonic condor]

Patreon? Other crowd-funding methods? Literally anything? Toby Fox made how much more than he was asking for Undertale?

[fresh valley]

because they can't disclose that it is a factor at the very least in their decision making

EVERY company needs to tow the line and appease the money men

investors or not

[steep drum]

well 22m before we entered EA is a pretty damned good start.

i cant say how much the bundles, or plat brought in or how it had to be cut with investors.. but they had enough to start funding a lot very early on.

[sonic condor]

Plus they had that Epic grant, which from everything I've read can potentiall go up to 500k so.

[prime geyser]

22M is more than Paragon had invested into it, BTW

[fresh valley]

but those aren't guaranteed streams of revenue, and asking a niche community for funding for a revival of their niche game isn't the best business practice

it could have paid off

but it could have also failed

[prime geyser]

How have they not made double the game with the funds earned so far is beyond me

[fresh valley]

and none of us would be here discussing this tpoic right now

[sonic condor]

And screwing over the people who bought into your game to uphold and support it for your investors is?

I'd rather take the honorable route that fails then the one that screws over the very people who supported me in the first place.

[fresh valley]

apparently the 22m number is fake news

[sonic condor]

They said it themselves.

lmao huh?

[prime geyser]

But that's literally what they said

[fresh valley]

I'm jsut saying

[prime geyser]

Flaunting about the amount they raised off investor funding

[fresh valley]

that's the rhetoric that's been going around the past few days

[sonic condor]

From who?

[steep drum]

how is it fake? robbie literally gave that number

[fresh valley]

I think it's because people are misconstruing it with grants

where it most likely was majority investments

[tall orchid]

The omeda that launched the ea is the same team now. People are just catching on and are tired of certain practices. Not mastery mastery now not exclusive exclusives

[prime geyser]

https://www.predecessorgame.com/news/notices/omeda-studios-closes-20m-series-a

[sonic condor]

Also they could've gone with a publisher rather than an investor. Publishers can be huge problems (look at how Activision treated Bungie for example) but they are definitely by and far - MUCH more beneficial and helpful than an investment firm.

[fresh valley]

well, there we go

it's investor money

[steep drum]

https://youtu.be/S3H1NETh26Q

he mentions it within the first minute

just in case mods decide that youtube links to a pred video count as external and therefore must be censored
#📣│announcements message

[molten pelican]

They've also gotten more investor money as well. $20mil more or so.

It's over $40mil

[fresh valley]

uno reverse example, look at Netmarble and Overprime

[fresh valley]

right, so that's more investor pressure

[prime geyser]

OP had other issues to deal with, it's not really a good comparison

[sonic condor]

Overprime was marketting more for a eastern audience rather than the western and had multiple other issues.

[molten pelican]

And one of the investors has a great stake in the company and is on the Board of directors.

[sonic condor]

Also Netmarble is an ass publisher so that was also their problem.

[fresh valley]

true, however it was a failing product therefore the parent company shut down the project

[fresh valley]

oh see, that I didn't know if true. Not calling you a liar, just never seen evidence of it

which is another whole issue

[molten pelican]

all good, just a little bit of googling and you can find all this.

[light vapor]

Ways to move forward that I would be satisfied wi5h:

1. Any account that played a match during early access on console can buy bundles
2. Anyone who bought the original bundles gets a new set of skins, for free, that are actually exclusive (potentially combined with solution 1) and of higher quality
3. Just keep them exclusive like you said they'd be 2 years ago

[fresh valley]

that dude is probably dictating meetings and has ace and smokie by the balls, because he wants to protect his and others investments into the compay

[sonic condor]

Oh absolutely, which is why it's a problem that inevitably ends up circling around to every other thing we have problems with.

[fresh valley]

I do feel there needs to be a solution for the early console players, say exclusive skins for CBT participants

[sonic condor]

Most of these terrible decisions are probably made at the highest level.

[steep drum]

thats the best part. they can literally pull a fortnite and

1. make console variant equivalent but keep the skins different
   or
2. give anybody who owned the bundle before 1.0 an exclusive variant

[fresh valley]

someone even said make blue and green colour varients for ps and xbox players, which would be a decent gesture, but again it's more so about the timing

now I feel they will have to do more to appease both crowds

but then again, we are a vocal minority of the player base, while also being a minority by being the PC portion of it

where as the portion of the majority who do use discord, or twitter, or I guess Reddit if they've posted about it there, which I would expect they would

are going to be in favour of this decision without a thought as to how it impacts the early adopters

or other practices Omeda have fumbled on in the past that we early adopters are knowledgeable of

[jade folio]

Dont worry they made a survey, where people who doesnt have the EA skins answered Yes, totally not bias at all

[fresh valley]

but lil Timmy won't care about any of this, he'll just start the game, see some cool skins, and be like "aight kewl, ima get dat!"

[jade folio]

The survey should be exclusive to EA owners atm

[fresh valley]

there's so many other ways they could have addressed this, and at an earlier time

and they failed to do so

hence the backlash

[sonic condor]

Literally. Like they knew about the bundles thing for Xbox how long now?

[jade folio]

This sounds like a summary of this game tbh

[fresh valley]

it's not just xbox, it's also sony

but yes

they stated mutliple times they would try and get these bundles onto console pre launch for those who play there

all while hopefully being knowledgeable of these companies policies

and I say hopefully, because if they weren't knowledgeable that's a whole other issue

this could have been addressed in a more pleasing manner months ago

[prime geyser]

Always too late for people to react

And then it's gonna be "people bought it, we won't take it away"

[south nymph]

It's not a matter of bringing people in it's keeping them👆

[prime geyser]

Yep yep

But for them it's for the sake of the new players, always

And those new players don't stay anyway

The player churn is arguably worse on console than it is on PC

[south nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-26881270

[fresh valley]

someone stated earlier that the current console playerbase is a 10th of it's peak? but I'm not stating that as fact

just what was claimed

and of course, PC player base is also dismal compared to the peak

but there's a big difference between 7k and, well, I don't actually know console peak

[prime geyser]

Around console F2P, console was 3x the PC playerbase

[fresh valley]

but the way they were going on about it

it was a LOT

[prime geyser]

Now, with current data, console is 65-70-ish% of the playerbase

[south nymph]

I tried to play a match late one night let let you guys in on a secret I never found a game within like 30+ minutes so I got off

[prime geyser]

Which means, it's 2x PC

Which means... players quit earlier than PC

[sonic condor]

Tried to play a match last night. Nawest. Legit it took us ten minutes to find one lobby that got disbanded before like another ten minutes for the actual game we played. And it was a miserable match with players who didn't even communicate or play like a team. 20 minutes for a miserable experience. This is why I maybe play the game once a week lately. Starting to even reconsider that one game if those are just going to be my games.

[south nymph]

Yep which is my point new players are cool but are they gonna stay

[fresh valley]

tbh with the onboarding changes and the such coming with 1.0 I would like to think we will retain a decent chunk of new players

that and returning players

[sonic condor]

Exactly. I wouldn't want to stay. I don't even know what they're going to do for balance this upcoming 1.0. Which is worrying to say the least since we're still in the midst of an ADC Epidemic that has them steamrolling matches.

[fresh valley]

it's always been a carry meta

[sonic condor]

We're still not in a solid balance state and we're introducing a sleuth of new players?

[sonic condor]

Respectfully have to disagree. When I first joined during the ps4 beta, I could decently play how and who I wanted. Not the case anymore.

[south nymph]

I mean tbf look at league that games still not balanced

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-twitch-twitchtv-twitch-emote-kek-gif-19085736

[fresh valley]

true

[sonic condor]

I mean no live service game ever is truly "balanced"

But we could at least be in a stable balance

The ttk is just toxic af rn.

[fresh valley]

the over arching consensus is that carries have always been very strong, even when we had the psuedo tank meta

"oh no tank countess and gideon, we can't have that!" Meanwhile, carries since EA launch: 😈

[sonic condor]

It's true, but I could at least attempt to get close to them late game without being completely blown out. Tbfx2, Paragon also had this same problem with ADC's.

[fresh valley]

but we're getting off topic here

[south nymph]

I mean there's nothing in the game atm I think is brutally broken other then a couple items like tbh the ttk is in a good spot atm. I can't see it being worse with 1.0

True off topix

[sonic condor]

Partially agree and disagree, but yeah don't wanna lock the thread so I'll leave it as this.

[young sundial]

If they ever do some exclusive shit with consoles they better make that stuff available after some time for PC too.

[zenith palm]

the only exclusive i want

is exclusive 1k $ skin

so i can wear it and show everyone how rich i am

/sarcasm in case i get people mad at me

[torn timber]

1. Keep PC Players Happy: By not putting the skins in the general game store, PC players who bought the bundle originally will still feel like their purchase was special and exclusive.

2. Give Console Players a Fair Shot: Console players who missed out can still get the bundle, but only through the console store, so it’s still kind of exclusive, just in a different way.

3. Avoid Player Anger: This way, PC players won’t feel like their exclusivity is being taken away, and console players get a chance without causing too much upset.

4. Boost Sales Without Upsetting Anyone: Selling the bundle in the console store could still bring in money from console players who want the skins, without making it feel like you’re breaking the original promise of exclusivity.

[rose rampart]

Thank you 🙂

[static holly]

change the skins, give console players their own exclusive skins.

like energized twin was in original EA paragon for playstation. could only get that skin on playstation back in the day.

[formal pivot]

Man, this make no sense. The EA skins are not the best looking skins, lets be honest. Explain to me why a new player will be hooked by these skins and not to for example any of the other better looking skins that the game already have. For a new player to which all skins are equially new, what the EA skins have that the rest of the skins doesn't have?
They perfectly could release the original Paragon skins from the EA ones are recolored and problem solved, everyone have this skins, and EA players have their exclusive EA ones. Its not like the EA skins are super exclusive things and if they don't release those skins new players will completely lose their opportunity to have these aspects, no, we literally have the original skins that looks better than the EA ones.

Also, all that about console players being more have absolutely nothing to be, and ignores the point of this discussion, this is about people that paid money for the bundles under a promise of exclusivity and now that promise being broken just because "console players are more, so fuck you and whatever thing we promised to you"

[formal pivot]

@coral current This 👆 could be the way of bringing the "EA skin" to the players, without having to backstab the people that bought Early Access bundles under the promise of exclusivity

[prime geyser]

I just find it insanely disingenuous when people are making for the least effort solution on Omeda's part, when it's Omeda themselves that got in this mess in the first place

[static holly]

at the end of the day it's another way to make money, they're going to do it. it will upset those of us who bought the bundle under the promise of exclusivity. but we'll get over it and they know that. so they'll make money and life goes on. we're a bunch of addicts according to rgsace, so he is just our dealer and doesn't care.

[formal pivot]

@coral current Also, I want to ask you something, in this comment #👋│general message rgsace reply to someone that was asking about if the account merging thing would arrive to the game in the future, as he is a console player that bought PC early access bundles and have the hopes to be able to merge that content at some point, and rgsace reply doesn't make clear the answers to that question.
So I wanted to ask you directly if there is info about account merging (being able to transfer the content from one account to other, so when you do the account linking between PC and console you don't lose item) going to arrive to the game in the future?

As, if this was the case, the simplest solution for this would be announced this and tell to all the current EA players that they can go, buy a PC early access bundle and merge it to their console account in the future. (the waiting should not be a problem as original EA players has been waiting close to 2 years for the promised Discord role)

[robust idol]

If Omeda goes back on those who had to PAY to even PLAY this game and stayed through the trenches to make the game last and survive for console players to even get to play it and for free none the less. Its not about the skins its about the Integrity of keeping their words. We kept this game alive and supported it, for the game to even make console release. EA Exclusive should stay well EXCLUSIVE. If Omeda doesnt stick with their word, I really would never trust a word they say again. its that just that simple. Omeda, to me would basically make me feel like they were STEALING my money since they lied about it being exclusive. ITS DEEPER THAN THE SKINS.

[formal pivot]

Backstabbing your original supporters who paid you a lot of money to have the possibility to play and under-developed game by breaking the promise of exclusivity you made to them when they paid you money to be able to access to the early access of the game, is not the way of doing money

There are a lot of other ways to do money (like the one I pointed above), there is no need to backstab your original supporters. That is basically the point of this post

[robust idol]

WE HAD TO PAY TO EVEN PLAY THE GAME INITIALLY👆

[static holly]

oh ya, I get it. I've lived long enough to see how money can be made and it is clear how they want to make it. anyway they can.

and we paid, and will keep paying 🙂

[coral current]

without having to backstab the people
Is this kind of language really constructive? I think we've made it pretty clear we're trying to do right by everyone, hence we haven't just made a decision one way or the other.

[robust idol]

id honestly drop predecessor and uninstall the same day, if they decide to do this. and i love predecessor but id love to see it fall instantly if they go through with this. its like a girlfriend saying shes exclusive to you a year ago and just recently decided she wants to sleep with your best friend just because he didnt have access to her a year ago, and now shes telling you about it. would you stay with her if she slept with him? hell no

[coral current]

When the tech is ready we'll share info. Until then we've been as open about it as we can with the info we have available to us. It's coming, and will most likely require users to pick a dominant account that will inherit/overwrite data in order to be used on any platform. This is subject to change based on development and we'll keep you updated as we go.

[rose rampart]

There is info here

!s

[warm basalt]

Player Support

Ran into a bug? Need help with account billing?

Visit the official Predecessor Support Hub!

https://www.predecessorgame.com/support

[rose rampart]

Try keep the thread on topic tho please

You can ask questions in #💞│community-help

[static holly]

depends.. and honestly you'll keep playing this game just like me. and we'll both be upset about this decision, but it doesn't impact us all that much really.

[formal pivot]

Ok, then the problem is solved, anyone that want the EA stuff can go right now and purchase them on PC before the EA ends, and just wait for the moment they can merge that content into their console account

Omeda could do an announcement to remember that to all the players so, more EA players have the opportunity to access to it in the EA period

I think that its a good solution

[rose rampart]

But currently they’ll lose all their progress on console if they do that

[formal pivot]

If I understood correctly, they wont.

They just have to mnerge the PC content into their console account

[rose rampart]

Its not merging

But again it’s subject to change

From the information we know right now

It’s not merging

You pick one account to be the one you keep

The other gets removed

[formal pivot]

will most likely require users to pick a dominant account that will inherit/overwrite data in order to be used on any platform. This is subject to change based on development and we'll keep you updated as we go.

So, they pick console account as "dominant account" and the console account will " will inherit/overwrite data".

That is what im reading on Kari comment and on the link you passed to me

[rose rampart]

Yep so the bundle won’t exists on the console account

[formal pivot]

The account will inherit the data from the other account

[rose rampart]

Because it’s on their “pc account” which will get overwritten

[coral current]

Most likely, but we can't confirm until we're further along developing the feature. Hence we can't make such an announcement

[rose rampart]

I’m taking it from their website. Of course everything is subject to change

[formal pivot]

@coral current Then you should said it clearer in the support page that Onion linked, because there it says the things like if people don't have to worry about losing any content

Until that happens, your purchase history is stored safely in our systems

That says people that they don't have to worry doing purchases on an alternative account as "the purchase history is stored safely in our systems"

[coral current]

it says purchases and progress will be left behind?

[rose rampart]

Last paragraph

[coral current]

yeah I know

[formal pivot]

Yeah, but the paragraf of the middle seens to say the opossite, tha is way im pointing it out

[coral current]

I'm confused what is unclear

Right

[formal pivot]

What im saying is that could be said clearer

[coral current]

That middle paragraph is clear though. It's to clarify that if you play on a new console and find yourself staring at a blank account, that you needn't worry and that your progress is stored on our servers.

We then go on to explain that you can pick that data or the data from any other account to be the main when account linking does come in

This is the first criticism I'm hearing about this and the article has been live for months and months

I think you're reaching a bit but I can look into clarifying it if I find time

[odd mist]

You need help

[coral current]

But honestly it seems pretty clear and again, this is the first it's being raised to me

[formal pivot]

Its not the first criticist tha I hear about this topic, as all the account merging account linking topic has always been super confusing and unclear, look at me, I have been following Predecessor since day 1 (well, from before) and I still didn't had a clear idea of how account linking/account merging is going to work

And even after reading that, and reading rgsace direct reply to a question asking about it directly I still didn't had a clear answer

And for that I asked to you

[coral current]

Robbie can confuse me at times too for what it's worth 😅

He means well but that's why he keeps people like me, for help with communications. Same way that he has a team of artists designing characters. Have you seen the man's skills in MS Paint? Horrifying.

It's been said before but you should rely on official comms for facts, moreso than developer snippets and conversations

[odd mist]

@coral current when will the decision be made? I hope this debate isn't raging the entire week running up to 1.0

[formal pivot]

Still waiting for the Rgsace Iggy & Scorch spray btw

[coral current]

So even what I say now is second to an official tweet or blog post

[coral current]

By the end of the year as we have a hard cut off with our PS4 sunset process. It should be sooner, like in the next few updates, but the hard limit is EOY

[coral current]

I promise you we'd be adding a spray that'll negatively impact retention of anyone who sees it in game lmao

[odd mist]

Sorry, I meant about the EA skins

[coral current]

We're not in a rush. We'd love to have this nailed down by 1.0 but if it means finding a better solution we can delay making a decision until after then

Regardless, the EA Bundles on Steam and Epic are being killed on August 20. That's non-negotiable.

[formal pivot]

@coral current Well, to sum it up, the option for console people to buy EA bundles from PC and then merge them into their console account in the future is not an option, because being able to merge content from one account to another without losing anything is still not a sure thing as of today

[rose rampart]

We don’t have a definite answer yet but as of now from the looks of the website that is the plan

[prime geyser]

This feels like such an oversight from the Sony negotiations

Surely that would have to have been a concern when talking about pushing the game on PS, right?

[vagrant flint]

lmao what

[rose rampart]

I could be wrong here. But pretty sure beta/early access games aren’t allowed DLC on consoles

[prime geyser]

It doesn't need to be DLC though, right?

Just link the skin ownership to that account, so once linking comes on, it gets merged

[languid mesa]

they want the money that is to be made, they dont care about keeping promises and honesty. that went out the window long ago

[rose rampart]

The packs are DLC on steam and Epic. But yeah I agree

[prime geyser]

So far what I'm understanding from the whole thing is

The minimum was done to get the games out on consoles

And now it's scavenging for ways to make the promises work

[formal pivot]

Oh, other things that I forgot, the new update is adding the feature of "code redemption", so that is a new route that they can take to address this problem.
I think that its not the best idea as it can bring other complications, but the options is there and it could be used in some way, so its something to take into account

[rose rampart]

This is actually a great idea

[formal pivot]

As is something new we were forgetting about it, but its a great addition to the game that increase the possibilities to do things

[coral current]

Codes are a way we can give out items very easily, but at zero cost. I think there'd be similar frustration is EA console users got the skins you had to pay for via a Steam DLC Bundle for free

[high skiff]

Omeda credibility is absolutely nothing. Why trust anything anyone in the company says because it’s all subject to change. Followed by a completely disingenuous effort to damage control.

[agile cradle]

I liked the idea of a PS exclusive color scheme and a Xbox exclusive early access color scheme.

[formal pivot]

But I think that the frustration of those players would be less than the frustration of people who paid money under certain promises, only for those promises to be broken later.

I mean, maybe console players would get frustrated by having to buy things through PC stores, but in return, they get what they want. On the other hand, we have the people who were here from the beginning, paid to be able to play the game, and bought something under a certain promise, and now that promise is being broken.

I think that the frustration of the people who paid money for the exclusive things under a promise, only for that promise to be broken later, would be WAY BIGGER than the frustration of people who never had anything promised to them, who didn't spend the money on the bundle yet, and who still have a clear option to get what they want.

[harsh musk]

Guys, it's a few skins. You got them exclusive for over a year now. It seems incredibly immature to whine about keeping them all to yourselves. Pred is a business, not a free hobby for you and early access friends. You supported the game, got skins (and a great time btw) for a while, allow others to buy the skins. It's not hard to understand.

[prime geyser]

It's principle

[agile cradle]

What if the folks that bought the exclusive pack got a refund if these become widely available after launch?

A "thanks for supporting us early financially. You got us to this point. We would like to pay you back as we open these skins up to the public at large."

[prime geyser]

If they break their promise now, how do you know they'll keep their promise in the future?

[harsh musk]

They won't Katae. It's a business like every business in the world, and CEO's change. MANY large companies have made promises and then taken them away later. Netflix, Amazon, Tesla. It's the way it works, things change.

[prime geyser]

And guess what, I don't use anything from those companies

[harsh musk]

Well you probably are in a black hole then. Millions do

[prime geyser]

Sure

[harsh musk]

so you have a choice. Play the game or don't

[coral current]

I can all but guarantee we won't offer refunds for the original bundles. As an indie studio we simply couldn't.

[agile cradle]

Gotcha, just throwing spaghetti at the wall 🙂

[prime geyser]

I made my choice long ago

[coral current]

"Love is sharing a password."

• Netflix on Twitter at some point

[harsh musk]

Great. no need to be here then.

[prime geyser]

Now I just want to see the game stick to its word

[harsh musk]

Well that seems silly. No company keeps to it's word, it keeps to the main priniciple that has stood since humans existed, survival.

[formal pivot]

The thing is trying to be better than the companies that everyone hates. Just because companies that everyone hates does it, doesn't mean that Omeda have also to do it

[harsh musk]

every business follows that same model unfortuantely

[prime geyser]

Well, they promised they're with a community focus

Since release in Dec'22 it's been a money focus

[harsh musk]

Of course. they were back then, and also had to promise things to make money.

[prime geyser]

And now, break their promise

[weak spindle]

Y'all want to support the game or not? Let us console players spend. There's no need to be in your feelings over some skins.

[harsh musk]

I agree. This seems like a lot of whining from people who have no other value in their life besides some skins they have already had exclusive for a while.

[rich depot]

Yeah, the discourse around these skins is 🥱

[weak spindle]

I'll pay double, just be quiet already

[scarlet spear]

I don’t think it’s necessarily the skins themselves, it’s the principle

[rich depot]

But I want my exclusive pretty pixels please! I wanna feel special!

[harsh musk]

It's very simple and Omeda knows this. The skins will be made available to console players as they should be, and also so they can make more money. duh.

[scarlet spear]

I’m willing to bet half the people who dislike this don’t gaf about the skins lol

[prime geyser]

Again, it's the principle

[formal pivot]

The point of them being exclusive is that they are supposed to be exclusive for ever. If you sell a skins and say "this bundle contain skins that will be exclusive for 1-2 years", then that exclusivity have 0 value and it would be like saying basically nothing

[harsh musk]

Well go chase principles for a decade and see where you get.

[formal pivot]

Something exclusive for 2 years is not something exclusive at all

[harsh musk]

That is definitely not true Mug

[rich depot]

I keep hearing this “principle” excuse thrown around just to mask being petty af. Let console players get the chance to get the skins, not like they had the choice before and didn’t, they couldn’t, that’s on Omeda and the late lunch on other platforms.

[harsh musk]

it WAS exclusive for 2 years, no one else could get it...and things change bud

Agreed Nino

[scarlet spear]

This is disingenuous, it quite literally is the principle

It’s not an excuse

It’s just what it is

[prime geyser]

It's not exclusive right now, since you can get the bundle

It was sold as exclusive back then

It won't be exclusive when the full release comes

The word becomes a lie, and therefore, fraud

[formal pivot]

Go an buy the 80$ bundle on Steam, and you likely you will be able to merge those skins into your console account in the future

[rich depot]

And what about those that don’t play on PC and can’t do that?

Sadly out of luck?

[scarlet spear]

Omeda should explore options that don’t involve keeping something up PAST 1.0 release, that’s where a lot of this discourse is from

[prime geyser]

Send a redemption code to all console players that played before 1.0

[formal pivot]

I was talking about the account merging that will happen in the future if all goes according to the plan. You buy the bundle on Steam and then merge that account into your console account, so you get the content

[prime geyser]

That code unlocks them a store section for the EA bundles

That's it

[scarlet spear]

Make the code purchase able* and I agree with you but only make it purchasable BEFORE 1.0 release imo

Selling early access “exclusives” past 1.0 release instead of just giving the option to do it beforehand in game is also another reason for the discourse that’s been happening

[prime geyser]

I mean, Omeda backed themselves into a corner

No solution will make everyone happy now

[scarlet spear]

I really don’t see why Omeda can’t just make a code purchasable to be redeemed in game, after 1.0 release that is only sold beforehand.

Or like you said, offered that purchase option to the EA console players who had played before 1.0

[formal pivot]

Man, I think that is the simplest and better idea so far. Also always maintaining the original prices 20$, 50$, 80$

[scarlet spear]

There’s a lot of interesting ways to make this just so much easier

[high skiff]

There wasn’t a problem in the first place. Omeda made it a problem by failing to deliver the skins to console in a meaningful time.

[coral current]

None of them easy or quick which will agitate those who want a solution quickly

Adding a whole new mechanic to the store that unlocks with a code you pay real money for is basically adding a whole new method of monetisation

[prime geyser]

Thing is, you failed to deliver, and now forced this poll upon yourself, which made people want things fast

[scarlet spear]

I get that, easy and quick isn’t exactly the motto here but I think it’s a decision of what will tide over the “long time players” and also the newer players who have been waiting

[scarlet spear]

Is this a bad thing? (Or was this more in the realm of it being more work than it may be worth short term? Could always explore further options with it down the road with community codes etc that support creators eventually as well, could be interesting) I’m just spitballing here lol sorry

[coral current]

Our hands were tied by factors I've already discussed, such as console platforms not supporting bundles in a way we could use to mirror what we did on Steam. I'm not here to dispute promises as I know we're letting some people down regardless of the outcome here, but I think it's unfair to be so harsh on a genuine, open and heartfelt make-right effort which is what we're trying to achieve here.

[coral current]

It could be a bad thing if it means delaying Ranked 24/7 or new original Heroes, or being able to buy sprays with Amber etc. Everything we do has an opportunity cost.

[high skiff]

I don’t understand why omeda doesn’t just offer recolors of the current EA skins as bundle options. It’s the easiest solution and was mostly expected by people who are up in arms about exclusivity
Make the console variants of these skins and be done with this problem

[coral current]

We're sure to consider it - it's a good option. I do feel as though it's a bit misleading for the console players who thought they'd be able to get the same skins as PC users though.

The way you feel about exclusivity is the same way they feel about it. The only difference is that you could get the items they wanted and they couldn't.

[weak spindle]

Give us something they want 👀😂

[prime geyser]

The opportunity was missed for however long to have account linking that'd make the issue irrelevant too

Paragon had account linking, and it never fully released

[coral current]

We rebuild the entire back end quite recently which set us back but had to be done for technical reasons. We went into a fair amount of detail in various comms pieces but I agree it meant we missed the boat on convenient solutions.

[coral current]

Paragon was ran by a company with more resources than a start up making their first game 😅

[high skiff]

Well that’s a fair argument. But the difference is pc players actually spent money on an expectation. The console players just never got the opportunity despite omeda best efforts.

For me it’s not about exclusivity couldn’t care less. It’s really about the principle.

[coral current]

The principle is important

No one is disputing that

It's tricky. I just hate that we've not been able to afford console players the same level of access as PC players

[high skiff]

Guess it’s a matter of upsetting your new larger community vs upsetting the older smaller community. Understandably a tough position to be in

[coral current]

It's not fair to them in the same way that making it available to them is not fair to PC users.

[coral current]

Exactly

[high skiff]

Well I mean saying it’s not fair to console players I can’t agree with. In all reality Every person had an equal chance to purchase the ea bundle. I mean some people literally invested in pcs to play this game, so people are very dedicated to this game and vision hence the level of emotion tied to so many conversations

[formal pivot]

But they were never promised anything, unlike people that PAID for the Early Access bundle who were promised that the things they were PAYING for were going to be exclusive.

Here is why I don't understand why is more important to please console player who weren't promised anything, but respect the purchase of people who were promised exclusivity for their purchase using real money

[coral current]

And the people who didn't invest in PCs are to be considered less dedicated? Even if they played every day since they could or maybe if they have more hours than some of the PC users arguing against them being dedicated?

[coral current]

We always promised we'd try to find a way to get them the same level of access to the bundles as you got

[rich depot]

Of all the takes I’ve seen, this one takes the cake…🤦🏻‍♂️

[weak spindle]

Honestly on behalf of console players it's all good. No need for the same EA variations, just throw in a countess and terra skin in a new console exclusive bundle 😌

[cosmic monolith]

I love how kari tries all time to deffuse the problems or just lies blatantly. The skins where EXCLUSIVES

[high skiff]

Tell me when I’m lying

[coral current]

I can only apologise if I've lied or shared incorrect info, but please be assured I've never knowingly done so

[cosmic monolith]

Saying that "We always promised we'd try to find a way to get them the same level of access to the bundles as you got" thats false. I get pred on 5 dec 2022, and the only way to get it was paying, console player hasnt that problem

they can play without paying

[high skiff]

It’s not about the dedication it’s about the accessibility of the content. It was and always has been available for the community.

[formal pivot]

And you tried but sadly failed, because it has not been possible. The the promise was fulfilled, you did exactly what you said you were going to do

[coral current]

If a person does not own the hardware then the content was not available to them?

[high skiff]

Purchase the required hardware?

[rich depot]

I would go with being incredibly condescending. So console players are not invested because they didn’t get a gaming PC just to play Pred when we all knew it was coming to console eventually? That’s so dismissive of you. You do know and understand people have different priorities in life right?

[formal pivot]

In the other hand we have the people that paid money which were promised exclusivity for their purchase, and now to be able to do something you have to break the promise you did to some people, to try to please other people that were never promised something clear, just that you were going to try.
I don't see that as fair

[high skiff]

Yes but I did not tell a lie. Which is what you suggested..

[rich depot]

How is this calling you a liar? I’m calling it just a bad take, which it is.

But you’re entitled to your opinion I guess 🤷🏻‍♂️

[zenith palm]

This is where I have my problem

[rich depot]

Isn’t console right now on early access as well though? But unable to get the skins because of Omeda’s limitations?

[cosmic monolith]

Kari u can try to walk arround the issue all you want, but i payed for exclusivity. If u cant mantain that exclusivity, atleast refund the platinum of exclusive* skins. IF not its obvious that it is another way to just grab all the money u can while you shit on your early supporters

[zenith palm]

They can delay v1.0

And fix said issue

But they rushed it

And didn't think things through properly

[rich depot]

Yeah, delaying a major patch, that I’m sure it’s done and ready to go, that comes with investment in marketing, tied to the gamescon opening night, and a myriad of other things, just because of a bundle of skins? 🤯

[coral current]

I promise you I'm not walking around anything - I've answered every question and dedicated hours of my life to this thread and others since we opened this dialogue with players yesterday. Please ease up on the hostility, there's no need for it when myself and others are being nothing but sincere and cooperative.

[cosmic monolith]

And still u cant answer directly to my response. Keep walking arround and lying

[coral current]

I have answered countless questions. Keep testing my good nature and see where we end up.

[cosmic monolith]

Ok, then ask: Why you cant refund platinum of skins that were sold as exclusive when its obvious that they arent? I dont care about the problems that omeda have with PS store, these are your problems, not mine. Mine problem is had to pay for a exclusive content that is not exclusive

[coral current]

"its obvious that they arent [exclusive]"
Is it? Have we said that any decisions have been finalised?

Until a decision is made they remain exclusive. They may also remain exclusive after the decision is made

[zenith palm]

Yup they made a mistake and they didn't even expect it

[rich depot]

I don’t think that “mistake” warrants a delay of a major patch. Priorities.

[cosmic monolith]

Well, it has ben 1.8 years since that exclusivity. I mean, u can extend that period of time to 10 years if you want and thecnically it will still be exclusive, but u get the point?

[half hornet]

Let my console bois be happy

[formal pivot]

Let the people that paid money for something that was promised as exclusive not feel like they have been scammed by removing the exclusivity of the thing they paid money for

Also, I think that this would be a great solution for everyone #1272926493600780338 message

You release the original skins in the store, everyone is able to have their plane Crunch, Galactic Grux, Inquisitor Gideon, Grux Pelt Khaimera, and Murdock thing, but the original supporters that got promised exclusivity maintain for their maintain their exclusive recolors

[half hornet]

I don’t feel scammed

[cosmic monolith]

I feel scammed

[scarlet spear]

Duality

[formal pivot]

Perfect, I don't care about exclusivity either. But I care about the company maintaining their promises, being honest and doing the things in a way that creates a bond of trust and good will with the community

And Omeda seems to be sped running all the opposite

[half hornet]

I just don’t think it’s that deep

I think they looked at these “exclusive skins” and went “These kinda ugly, do we really want these to be exclusive?”

[formal pivot]

It is. It's about people money, promises and the trust of the players towards the company.

It's pretty deep

[half hornet]

And decided “nah”

[dense belfry]

It’s quite literally a matter of them choosing who they have to break the promise for, it’s not “do we keep our lovely kind pc players or do we backstab them for money and bring in more console players?? :333”

[formal pivot]

Not even that, as has been said before, Omeda never promised to console players that they were going to get the access to the bundles. They were promised that Omeda was going to try, and they tried but didn't managed to do it before the end of EA

[coral current]

It's genuinely not about the money. It's purely about giving people who couldn't get an Early Access exclusive despite playing during Early Access, access to that thing.

[dense belfry]

That’s what I’m sayin!

[cosmic monolith]

Predatory `prices and not about the money? xD, keep lying

[formal pivot]

Lets maintain this on topic

[coral current]

Oh I replied to the wrong one sorry aha

[fresh valley]

if so, then why wasn't this addressed earlier instead of now, to push the skins for 1.0?

[coral current]

Last warning.

[sterile sail]

So put the skins in the store now whilst its still EA, they have 6 days if they want them that bad...

[half hornet]

The company promised me they’d bring back a game I loved. Thats all I bought the bundle for. To show support(and the plat). The cosmetics hold no merit, you’re not going to make money off of selling your account with these “exclusive skins”

[coral current]

I answered this question exactly yesterday, I won't retype so search back.

[fresh valley]

👍

[weak spindle]

Honestly best solution is making a different variation for console. However with account linking, some of us will have both. I guess life is unfair after all

[half hornet]

Nah, best solution is for people to just calm down. This is such a weird hill to die on

[fresh valley]

ok, fair I understand that you were not involved with those discussions

[formal pivot]

Or to not offer the skins and let them as exclusive as promised

[half hornet]

We aren’t 5 promises mean nothing. Words are wind.

[formal pivot]

You said that they were super ugly skins that no one cares about, so it doesn't even matter

[rich depot]

They gotta rage about something to tide them over until 1.0 releases. Then they will find something new to rage about 😄

[dense belfry]

I actually like some of the skins, and I’d definitely use them if they were on heroes I played

[formal pivot]

Then don't offer the skins and problem solved

[vagrant flint]

if you say grux pelt khai is ugly you have no taste

[zenith palm]

Hide yo skins hide yo kids hide yo wife

[half hornet]

I actually think, they should offer the skins but add more to the console bundle to make the pc players even angrier

[formal pivot]

Exactly why?

[zenith palm]

Omeda has baited us to many times. I can't.

[weak spindle]

That's what I'm saying!!!

[rich depot]

That would be amazing

[vagrant flint]

funny

[zenith palm]

It's not about the skins. It's about the message

[half hornet]

For the laughs

[rich depot]

Yes, the PRINCIPLE people

Don’t forget about the principle of it all

[weak spindle]

Y'all never been lied to before?

[sterile sail]

Shal we all just go to the Winchester, have a nice cold pint, and wait for this all to blow over?

[dense belfry]

Hating console players more than you hate omeda?

[cosmic monolith]

Dont say it, they dont like facts

[scarlet spear]

It’s important, you may not see it that way but trust it is quite important when you’ve been here a while lol

[wide phoenix]

This matters to the people who actually buy skins and other cosmetics, aka the people who will keep this game going in the long run. This in a vacuum is small but the implications are fairly large if that makes sense.

[zenith palm]

So let's keep people lieing?