https://omeda.city/builds/9845
I made a build for Jungle AP Crunch on Omeda, if you want to run it lmk if you enjoy the build.
#In-Depth guide to AP Crunch
jolly tendon
graceful nova
Are you saying to build orb of growth second on crunch jungle?
true wharf
@clever arch just saw this
clever arch
Do you know whether Orb of Enlightenment's passive stacks? i.e. If I use two abilities back to back, to I heal 6% missing hp?
jolly tendon
Hard to tell when he gets lifesteal from so many sources
random badge
OoL does not stack, it only refreshes your 3 second 3% timer. OoL does stack with healing from void helm though, which can be insane with the amount of CC crunch puts out.
That would allow you basically 2.2% hp/s during CC, and 1.1% without. Cycling almost endlessly with ability haste, and LB makes it feel closer to 10%/s during your full rotation.
cerulean gazelle
I must ask, you do known that Crunch scales less off of AP than AD right? Also, why no megacosm? I would assume if you went the AP route you'd want Mega given how insane the item is @jolly tendon
graceful nova
I must ask, you do known that Crunch scales less off of AP than AD right? Also, ...
Megacosm is nowhere near as good as it was. It's a situational pick even now. And fhe scaling is less but you get more power from magic items so its quite similar
golden epoch
Megacosm is nowhere near as good as it was. It's a situational pick even now. An...
I think you actually get a little more out of AP scaling even though its less because of the fact magic items have so much more power. Your autos do suffer a lot for it tho which feels bad.
cerulean gazelle
I think you actually get a little more out of AP scaling even though its less be...
This is especially damaging to crunch as roughly 40% of his damage comes from weaving basics
golden epoch
Yeah, I've tried building AP and it just doesn't feel good compared to physical builds. Although fitting an Orb of Enlightenment sounds like it could be fun for some meme healing build 😂. His healing is so insane with draconum+void helm+passive. I wonder what it'd be like with OoE passive too.
jolly tendon
AP Crunch is more for low cd to maximize on his CC since all his cc is less than 2s. So less cd more cc is how I look at it.
cerulean gazelle
AP Crunch is more for low cd to maximize on his CC since all his cc is less than...
just build ashbringer 2nd item on AD crunch, you dont need CD
cerulean gazelle
2 second cooldown?
I can see that this build has nasty CDR, and I see the potential in Orb of Growth and Giant's ring. I just feel as though this one takes quite a long time to ramp up and demands games get to the full build mark for true potential. If you go AD route and build Mutilator > Ashbringer as your first two, the rest of the game is just counter building based on the top enemy damage type, Crunch's whole kit opens up and you have complete freedom to build basically whatever after those two.
bold sorrel
I get Azure Core for the Shield and if I want Magic Armor or Phys Armor I just build Golem's Gift then just Prophecy Magnify Oathkeeper for the rest
for AP Crunch, Typhoon | Azure Core > Magnify > Prophecy > Golem's Gift > Oathkeeper > Spellbreaker.
clever arch
I mean, everything above is out of date
bold sorrel
and I am giving my findings
clever arch
Fair enough
bold sorrel
Although I dont build Oathkeeper anymore
I go Orb of Growth for the health and 120 Magic Power
clever arch
I'd suggest giving the Quad Spell Slasher build a go tho, shit should go crazy hard, chuck on like an azure and curiass and you're golden
bold sorrel
NO
leaden sable
thought about swapping tainted for citadel but idk
clever arch
Crunch probs isn't the best for that build cos of the whole needing to get in their face thing not sitting well with building squishy, but this is the AP crunch thread not the tank Crunch thread so I won't go there
bold sorrel
Crunch probs isn't the best for that build cos of the whole needing to get in th...
4k health 300 Healing on his passive 8% omnivamp 150 Phys Armor and 97 Magic Armor spellshield and a shit ton of damage and CDR
clever arch
is this good or not ?
Yeah this would be OK last patch but his core items have changed a looot
bold sorrel
oh and 700 health shield
leaden sable
Yeah this would be OK last patch but his core items have changed a *looot*
what do I do now
bold sorrel
AP Crunch
leaden sable
i am also new to mobas
bold sorrel
Typhoon | Azure Core > Magnify > Prophecy > Golem's Gift > Oathkeeper > Spellbreaker.
this is what I am doing minus Oathkeeper
I swapped that out for more health and mana
leaden sable
crunch builds magic now?
clever arch
4k health 300 Healing on his passive 8% omnivamp 150 Phys Armor and 97 Magic Arm...
I was talking about what I mentioned, the Quad Spell Slasher build, it'd be quite squishy, I wasn't saying your build was squishy
bold sorrel
I was talking about what I mentioned, the Quad Spell Slasher build, it'd be quit...
ok no context so I didnt know
bold sorrel
crunch builds magic now?
with the changes to Prophecy and his scaling he can
clever arch
crunch builds magic now?
Crunch has Hybrid scaling, if he builds either magic or physical power he gets about as much damage out of either
bold sorrel
his spellblade passive also got a huge buff
so with Prophecy you are hitting for 250 after every ability
with no buffer
clever arch
But with the changes to some of (imo) his best items for a physical build - Mutilator, Augmentation and Elafrost - running him with physical power got a lot worse
leaden sable
so phy power on him got worse and now building magic is better?
bold sorrel
Shinbi now has a 1200 health shield and 1k damage circle rythm
leaden sable
sorry i didnt really giga look into his changes so im just a lil confused
bold sorrel
yeah pretty much
bold sorrel
he feels very similar
he just deletes squishies faster and tanks well not slower tanks suck now
leaden sable
cuz ive been playing brawl and he just not hitting like he was yesterday lol
bold sorrel
you can pretty much outheal any damage a tank does to you now
leaden sable
i mean im still doing fine but yuck
bold sorrel
RIP Sevarog
clever arch
I personally think that the best route would be to be building him as a Tanky Bruiser - Augmentation and Elafrost didn't get worse, they just got a flat damage value instead of physical scaling, so now he can abuse them super hard without needing to build any power at all. As such, I think something that involves Aug, Ela and Fireblossom would go unreasonably hard on him right now
bold sorrel
I will miss you
leaden sable
Typhoon | Azure Core > Magnify > Prophecy > Golem's Gift > Oathkeeper > Spellbreaker.
so run this
what can i do instead of spellbreaker ion like that one
bold sorrel
Trust me you want to keep it
leaden sable
ight ill give it a try
bold sorrel
mages hit like a truck and being able to eat a stun late game is a godsend
I would replace Oathkeeper with Orb of Growth though
bold sorrel
I have been eating ADCs alive
bold sorrel
with AP Grim
bold sorrel
Good luck you will need it if you come across a shinbi
clever arch
I really don't think ditching Oathkeeper is a good idea, the item is crazy broken rn?
bold sorrel
im gonna tell you now she will eat you alive
leaden sable
ive been mainly playing brawl and doing fine but some games are just not it
clever arch
On Crunch at the very least
leaden sable
i feel like something is missing with the build ive been doin
bold sorrel
I really don't think ditching Oathkeeper is a good idea, the item is crazy broke...
its fine if he wants to keep it
I just like the extra stats
as the mana adds to the shield
and the health pads out my stats
clever arch
It does like 200-250 damage per proc and you can get two a rotation if you time it right, I stg the spellslasher items are insane
clever arch
and the health pads out my stats
I mean, Oathkeeper does give 300 hp
So you're not getting too much more out of orb
leaden sable
just so i know
bold sorrel
yeah but Orb gives 500 Health 500 Mana and 120 Magic Power
leaden sable
play like normal- use abilities and weave basics
bold sorrel
No mana scaling?
clever arch
play like normal- use abilities and weave basics
Yeah 👍
clever arch
It doesn't get bonus mana any more
bold sorrel
what doesnt
bold sorrel
ok then keep Oathkeeper
they really gutted that item
all because I built 350 Haste on Sevarog
clever arch
I definitely think that with crunch you want the Spell Slasher items, and with the spell slasher items you want to either commit to phat magic power or supreme mega thiccness
And I think that he'd prefer to be R O B U S T since he needs to get in people's faces
So imo the best crunch build is one that gets hp scaling items, tank items, Augmentation and Elafrost
Sucks how they gutted all the magic defense items though - it's literally just Curiass now, everything else is situational or bad
leaden sable
alright went well
bold sorrel
So imo the best crunch build is one that gets hp scaling items, tank items, Augm...
Augmentation and Elafrost are not as good as before now Augmentation no longer has actual scaling instead it does base damage so the most you are going to get out of it is 120 True Damage and Elafrost has a base of 95 and 2% scaling so it does about 155 damage on Sevarog full stacked so in comparison to even Cresicilla both of these are worse since that crunch build I showed you has a minimum of 650~ Magical Power so Crescilla is doing 250 Magic Damage meanwhile Oathkeeper does 350 Magic Damage and Magnify the Shred sustain item he will build does 250 Magic Damage and then there is Prophecy that item does not have a CD and will do 155 Magic Damage so Magic Power is just better