Stun, Rooting, Immobilizing, Crowd Control, Takedown — what's the difference?

[plain cedar]

Thanks to Rei 王, we know how roots work:
"Roots stop all forms of movement when they are applied and therefore block heroes from being able to use mobility skills. Some examples are Sevarog dash, Rampage leap, Gideon portal, Dekker double jump, Kallari ult, blink, etc."

I hope now the developers urgently make a glossary that will be right in the CLIENT of the game.

[outer turret]

I'm literally writing this after-hours without thinking about it too precisely so I've probably missed something/could be more accurate, but here's a general explanation:

**Stun: **
While Stunned you cannot move, cast abilities, use items, or basic attack. Will also interrupt Current movement/casts animations/channels. [Narbash Thunk - RMB]

**Root: **
Stops movement and movement based abilities from being cast. Will typically interupt anyone currently mid-movement via dashes etc. [Sevarog Subjugate - E]

**Immobalizing: **
Stuns, Suppression, Roots, Knockback, Knockups. I.e Stopping an enemy's movement. Pushes (such as Murdock) Buckshot are not Immobalizes - but they are Displacements.

**Suppression: **
A stun which is not affected by CC reduction (Tenacity) [Riktor Skewer - R]

Crowd Control (CC):
Any negative Status effect that is not a debuff. Stuns, Suppression, Roots, Knockbacks/ups/Pushes (displacement), Slows, Silences, Taunts, Fears, Charms, Polymorphs, Disarms, etc. In other words, Status effects (Crowd Control) affects the movement of a Hero or their ability to Cast Abilities or Basic Attacks.

Takedown:
Kills OR Assists.

[median nymph]

slows are immobilizing?

[outer turret]

Nah they're not. You can still move while slowed

[median nymph]

thought so, just wanted to make sure on it.

[lost ledge]

a suppression can also be viewed as a Channeled stun.

Meaning if you hard cc or silence the person triggering the suppression, the suppression will be canceled

[normal tapir]

false because I have silenced a riktor while he is casting his ult and I was still stunned(suppressed) for the entire duration. (as Drongo)

[sour grotto]

Yes that interaction is wack I’ve had it too

[lost ledge]

That's really weird. I've definitely canceled the ult by countess ulting him. @outer turret

Suppression is supposed to be stopped when the target causing the suppression is cc'd. This is the case for dota. LoL. Various RPGs. Is this a bug?

[outer turret]

Riktor ult cant be cancelled - he can be stunned but the damage/suppress goes off. It's not the same as a league supression like Malz ult

[lost ledge]

Maybe if this is fixed we have more room to give riktor some love

[outer turret]

It's not a bug

Riktor ult just isn't a channel - We don't currently treat it as a traditionally suppression. We just treat our current form of suppression as CC that cannot be affected by CCR

[lost ledge]

Interesting. I feel that's counter intuitive then. By cc'ing him you actually release him from his own lockout animation if hypothetically he had enough CCR
Like a crunch dash would actually be insanely advantageous for riktor

[normal tapir]

Either way it doesnt feel good to not have the skill expression to cancel it. The animation time it takes for the gas grenade to hit the ground is too slow to stop his ult in the first place, and after it lands it has no effect because he was able to cast it regardless.

[outer turret]

Yeah it's a bit messy in that regard. Intuitively it reads like a traditional Channeled Suppression, but his animation doesn't really translate well there so it's just a Stun that we made CCR immune to prevent weird interactions where an enemy with Tenacity can walk out while you're still animation locked. We just dub it Suppression in Pred and Khaimera's R works the same way.

[lost ledge]

=[

[median nymph]

agreed thats weird..

[lost ledge]

something that could likely be fixed further down the line

[median nymph]

maybe after UI

[plain cedar]

Thus it must be assumed that "hard Crowd Control" in the Absolution item description is only Stun and Root, right?