Hey all, I'm having trouble with high choke, but just from time to time. Usually I'm at 0-5 but I get up to 40 when my network craps out, or something. Is there anything I can adjust to help with that?
#High Choke Bad Network
molten fractal
cedar orchid
Do net_graph 4 in console and get a screen recording of this happening
cedar orchid
maybe this
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-limit-reservable-bandwidt...
It won't be that. TF2 uses very little bandwidth.
final hemlock
It won't be that. TF2 uses very little bandwidth.
windows update then
cedar orchid
A recording will tell us a lot more, and helps give an understanding of the situation, rather than just testing one specific possibility.
Like consider that literally any downloading on the network could cause it. Not just windows updates.
final hemlock
damn, whole paragraph
final hemlock
agressive typing
I know, but still, it is part of the problem
but most reasons for choke are either wi-fi or overuse of the stack by other program
molten fractal
I will get a screen recording. I'm using Linux and Ethernet so nothing updating and no wifi shenanigans. I've also reached out to my ISP because it seemingly coincides with ping spikes.
I'm really trying to figure out if it is on my end or something with my apartment's equipment/connection
Ideally I would stay under 7 choke in regular games and 0 on tempus for jumping
quiet sparrow
you likely won't notice choke at around 7
anything under ~13 i'd consider that pretty minimal
stray aspenBOT
quiet sparrow
if it's constantly at that or frequently goes higher then that could be a point of concern in terms of how it affects your gameplay
molten fractal
I played for a few hours the other day but didn't have anything supermassive, but I think this still illistrates the problem
quiet sparrow
does this issue occur on community servers as well?
molten fractal
yes, most of my experience has been on uncletopia and tempus
quiet sparrow
I will get a screen recording. I'm using Linux and Ethernet so nothing updating ...
what did your ISP say?
also is it your apartment's ISP or your own?
since that could coincide with other people using internet in your apartment complex
molten fractal
I just recently reached out again asking to send clips. I had a long long back and forth with them a few months ago where they basically ended up saying everything on their side is working as expected
It's the apartment's :/
quiet sparrow
have you found any time patterns with the lag spikes?
like at a certain hour you get them with a higher frequency?
stray aspenBOT
molten fractal
haha nice haiku
nah I haven't. I've also theorized that it happens more often with high network usage, but haven't been able to confirm it
quiet sparrow
is there any modem/router/firewall or something along your connection that you can manually reset?
molten fractal
Here's my cloudflare results btw. I've only run a few tests but haven't captured any issues
I believe I have this device
I haven't tried to reset it manually though, no
this is the only device actually in my apartment
quiet sparrow
you could try to reset it
molten fractal
alight I'll have to try that and some other stuff I thought of later tonight or tomorrow. Thanks for the advice
honest tigerBOT
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quiet sparrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5BNxi09HT4
also not sure if you care but the channel does have your name on it
stray aspenBOT
cedar orchid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5BNxi09HT4
Yeah that's your end
cedar orchid
this is the only device actually in my apartment
Rip. Cause that's just the access point. The actual router is the thing you'd want to reset.
molten fractal
Do you think there's anything I can adjust to make it less severe or fix it? or is it just on my isp
cedar orchid
Do you know what your bandwidth module is set to?
molten fractal
I think that was default 1.5. I changed it to 6 but I think that was after that clip
cedar orchid
Can you change it to bandwidth=762Kbps
And also add snapshot_buffer=safe
See if you can get another recording with these, and use net_graph 4, not 3.
molten fractal
sure. why the lower bandwidth though?
molten fractal
I hit a clip with that bindwidth :/ I don't think it matters at all. I was playing badwater and never saw it get above like 100kb/s unless I'm understanding something incorrectly
Also what happens if you go above you max bandwidth?
molten fractal
Also, does anyone have a good explanation for net_graph 4 that I send send to my ISP with the clips? All the ones I've found so far are bad and or incorrect
molten fractal
nm I found this page that looks good https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/TF2_Network_Graph
molten fractal
Okay so with better understanding of the network graph my real problem is extrapolation (the orange part that rises up from the very bottom of the netgraph) which does not always coincide with choke. that article explains it like this: If there is a large gap between packets (packet loss, server framerate too low, etc.), then the client will have insufficient data for interpolation and will start to extrapolate
cedar orchid
I hit a clip with that bindwidth :/ I don't think it matters at all. I was playi...
I .. don't .. think that number matters too much, because the choking should prevent it getting too high.
cedar orchid
Also what happens if you go above you max bandwidth?
The server skips sending you subsequent packet(s).
molten fractal
I ended up sending an emial to my ISP. Here's a few more clips I got https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o41RFBDkeGk
I noticed some improvement by changing my snapshot size to high. Unless anyone has other ideas I think that's all I can do on my side
cedar orchid
How many people would be on your network? (That's the whole building btw)
molten fractal
There are about 300 units but idk how many people that means
There are also 2 separate building and I'm not sure if their networks are combined or separate
final hemlock
I ended up sending an emial to my ISP. Here's a few more clips I got https://www...
rip dude, at this point you need to consider switching to other isp.
and have a personal router network
cedar orchid
It's the apartment's :/
@final hemlock I think they're stuck with what they have.
final hemlock
<@814782567458406440> I think they're stuck with what they have.
never say never
if not now, then in the future
molten fractal
Is T-Mobile or Verizon 5g home worth considering? I think that's really all I could get
final hemlock
Is T-Mobile or Verizon 5g home worth considering? I think that's really all I co...
don't know what are those providers, but knowm that they have some limit
limit in the amount of data, that is allowed
molten fractal
That's not a big deal to me. I could always swap back and forth since I'll still have to pay for the apartment internet either way. I wonder if the latency issues would be worse going with a cell provider though
molten fractal
Damn
final hemlock
even the slowest(ping and bandwidth) wifi is better, than the wifi with choke
same with fps, no lag is better that with lag but faster
molten fractal
Welp I ordered Tmobile internet and we'll see how it goes
quiet sparrow
Is T-Mobile or Verizon 5g home worth considering? I think that's really all I co...
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i've heard/seen mixed things about phone providers' internet
although you'll be running it through ethernet rather than wifi (which most with those isps seem to do) so it might be ok
we'll just have to see, yeah
quiet sparrow
although you'll be running it through ethernet rather than wifi (which most with...
unless it's cellular internet
cedar orchid
unless it's cellular internet
5G does imply cellular, yes
cedar orchid
I believe I have this device
Actually, are you able to connect to this via ethernet?
stray aspenBOT
final hemlock
still better to have cellural than choke wifi