Major registration problem with hitscan on mastercomfig rate/interp values | mastercomfig | Page 1

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 4:23 PM

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current interp is master default at 0.03 (apparently rounded) and rate "786432"
cl_cmdrate "66"
cl_updaterate "66" for example

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the thing i find really strange is that it feels different for 0.033000 interp which is what i used to use and something like 80,000 rate

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my internet is fast, around 40 ping on average

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deffo the best config for fps but utter shitshow setting up normal interp settings, the very reason most comp hitscanners dont use this being the custom mastercomfig commands to change some of this

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 4:32 PM

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hi

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before I say anything, could you please zip up your Team Fortress 2/tf/cfg/overrides folder and send it to me?

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@tacit star

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 4:35 PM

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all that is in overrides is modules with these commands

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lod=low
particles=very_low
pyrovision=low
texture_filter=bilinear
sillygibs=off
props=low
textures=very_low
hud_contracts=hide
hud_avatars=off
bandwidth=6.0Mbps
fpscap=unlimited

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 4:38 PM

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tacit star lod=low particles=very_low pyrovision=low texture_filter=bilinear sillygibs=off ...

is modules.cfg the only file you have on that folder?

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 4:38 PM

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yep

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 4:39 PM

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ok. In this case, you said your internet was pretty fast, do you connect to the internet by a ethernet cable or by wifi?

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 4:39 PM

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wifi

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so if its no interp it must be rate right

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so how does one find the perfect values

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i was told that 0.03 is normal and rounds up anyway considering i feel 0.033 is better for me

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or at least on other configs with different rate

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this has been my only problem with the config, tried a few different settings before but never felt right

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if im honest i have to shoot just infront of peoples heads sometimes and headshot people even though im nowhere near them

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 4:42 PM

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ok, this site is a special speed test site from cloudflare, could test your connection there and send me a screenshot of these 3 graphics on the bottom of the page, please? https://speed.cloudflare.com/

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please don't include the top part of the page, as it contains some personal info

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 4:44 PM

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sure

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gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 4:46 PM

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thank you! Could you also include the last graphs on the right?

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 4:46 PM

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latency?

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 4:46 PM

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yes

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I'm not concerned about the exact number, just the spread of values from the test

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same with upload speed and download speed

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 4:47 PM

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download is bang on 35 45

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upload 15 - 25

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gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 4:50 PM

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tacit star download is bang on 35 45

yes, I can see. I can see, could you please share the little blue graph on the bottom right side? The one about unloaded latency

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It would also be useful to check the one under that one, about packet loss

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 4:50 PM

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15 - 20 ms for unloaded latency

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100% packets recieved 1k*

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0 packet loss

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 4:51 PM

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tacit star 15 - 20 ms for unloaded latency

do you mean that there isn't a single blue dot on the graph that is outside 15 to 20?

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 4:51 PM

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nope

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 4:51 PM

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ok great! For wifi, your connection is remarcably stable

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 4:52 PM

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dude trust me

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i played tf2 since the dawn of time and i just know when its off

silver cypressBOT Aug 23, 2023, 4:52 PM

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*i played tf2

since the dawn of time and i

just know when its off*

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 4:52 PM

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3k hour sniper but for some reason its never been the same feeling with this config

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better fps for sure but i swear people move differently and everything

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 4:52 PM

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dude trust me, wifi is absolutely not what you use to play an online fps game with very tight networking like TF2

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buuut I will concede that I don't see problems in your connection particularly, so let's move on to the main thing

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 4:53 PM

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I cant play lan tho only the wifi adapter box thing

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which i dont even use

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 4:53 PM

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tacit star I cant play lan tho only the wifi adapter box thing

damn, that's a bummer

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 4:53 PM

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it would be unfair tbh

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 4:54 PM

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it's just that wifi is amazing, it does whole bunch of really cool math and compensations and it sacrifices everything in favour of maximizing bandwidth

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buuuut TF2 couldn't give 2 shits about bandwidth

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it uses almost no bandwidth at all

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the only thing you are concerned about in relation to your internet connection on TF2 is reliability, latency and packet loss. And that's exactly what WIFI sacrifices in trade for bandwidth

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 4:56 PM

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I always played on wifi dawg

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 4:56 PM

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so IF you can, acquire a wired connection

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let's move on

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 4:57 PM

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so like what should my rate be

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 4:57 PM

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yes, you are right that interp rounds to the nearest tick

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 4:57 PM

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i just do not understand why its worse only with mastercomfig

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 4:57 PM

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so it doesn't matter at all betwen 0.03 and 0.033

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 4:57 PM

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you say that but is that only for mastercomfig

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because interp is different in csgo even

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0.0312 im pretty sure

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 4:58 PM

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tacit star you say that but is that only for mastercomfig

no, interp rounds for TF2 in general, not certain about other games

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 4:58 PM

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aight ok so it must just be rate

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because all my update rates etc were 66

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the default ish rates

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the only thing that is different was the actual command rate itself

silver cypressBOT Aug 23, 2023, 4:59 PM

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*the only thing that

is different was the actual

command rate itself*

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 4:59 PM

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😄

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idk how to explain that part

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cl_cmdrate "66"
cl_updaterate "66"

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so what should "rate" be then

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for me roughly based off the information i gave

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or do you know

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I can show you examples of my shots that i get

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https://clips.twitch.tv/MoralSavageWitchHoneyBadger-zitCFHZuYNItZLCE

Twitch

dafuqwizat - .

Watch dafuqwizat's clip titled "."

▶ Play video

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this is hacky

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https://clips.twitch.tv/SoftBitterGrasshopperKappaClaus-29AWL71hIcF6pbaA

Twitch

dafuqwizat - jump shot

Watch dafuqwizat's clip titled "jump shot"

▶ Play video

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:01 PM

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rate is the amount of bandwidth you have available for upload. SInce your bandwidth is much greater than 6 Mbps (even for very small packates, which is the case) then you are ok to use 786432

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 5:01 PM

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why dont i headshot the first time ?

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right

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its like only really obvious when i look at video

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:01 PM

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here is the section of mastercomfig that messes with rate: https://github.com/mastercomfig/mastercomfig/blob/9ece6ed1f874137cc0e848d95e83c575870b02e4/config/mastercomfig/cfg/comfig/comfig.cfg#L149

GitHub

mastercomfig/config/mastercomfig/cfg/comfig/comfig.cfg at 9ece6ed1f...

A modern customization framework for Team Fortress 2 - mastercomfig/mastercomfig

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 5:01 PM

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in game i notice sometimes

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:01 PM

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as you can see, it just associates an internet speed to a rate

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 5:02 PM

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what about commands like lag compensate 1

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are they default to mastercomfig, i remember having these before

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my netmaxroutable also idk if its different

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where do i go to check all my network settings usually

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:03 PM

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tacit star what about commands like lag compensate 1

do you mean cl_lagcompensation?

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 5:03 PM

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yes

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it seems what im trying to find, the bunch of network settings are hidden on this cfg

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:04 PM

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mastercomfig doesn't seem to change that command

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https://github.com/mastercomfig/mastercomfig/blob/9ece6ed1f874137cc0e848d95e83c575870b02e4/config/mastercomfig/cfg/comfig/comfig.cfg#L75

GitHub

mastercomfig/config/mastercomfig/cfg/comfig/comfig.cfg at 9ece6ed1f...

A modern customization framework for Team Fortress 2 - mastercomfig/mastercomfig

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 5:05 PM

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like what do you think the problem would be dude

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:05 PM

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this is the gist of network settings

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:05 PM

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tacit star like what do you think the problem would be dude

placebo

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 5:05 PM

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its just not placebo tho

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i know for a fact

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:05 PM

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have you done a blind test?

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 5:06 PM

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why are you asking me that after the clips i just showed you also

silver cypressBOT Aug 23, 2023, 5:06 PM

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*why are you asking

me that after the clips i

just showed you also*

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 5:06 PM

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it seems you dont even have the answers anyway

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like clearly there is something wrong with this shit no?

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:07 PM

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tacit star why are you asking me that after the clips i just showed you also

they don't show a lot of useful information

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:07 PM

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tacit star like clearly there is something wrong with this shit no?

no, that is not clear to me yet

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 5:07 PM

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fix ur config

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:07 PM

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here is what I want you to do:

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enable net_graph 4 and play the game. When something sketchy happnes, send a screenshot

night bolt Aug 23, 2023, 5:08 PM

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or better yet, send a clip

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:09 PM

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or even better: since you are used to playing while streaming, enable replays on OBS and send me an uncompressed video from the moments before something sketchy happens

night bolt Aug 23, 2023, 5:09 PM

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also use a bind that changes your crosshair color when you click

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but yes, the interpolation is rounded in all Source games, this is the power of placebo and bot doing blind tests

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if you really feel better about it, then just use your custom interp

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:10 PM

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here is how you change rate to 80000 without having to stop using mastercomfig:
In your modules.cfg, replace bandwidth=6.0Mbps with bandwidth_762Kbps

night bolt Aug 23, 2023, 5:10 PM

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it doesn't matter anyway

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all you have to do is this:

alias net_hitscan"cl_interp 0.033" or whatever

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:12 PM

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gleaming sapphire here is how you change rate to 80000 without having to stop using mastercomfig: ...

and the rest of the networking commands are the same as the ones you used to use, so you don't need to worry about changing those

night bolt Aug 23, 2023, 5:12 PM

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easy

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 5:14 PM

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what is the possiblity right

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that when you change rate lower

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:14 PM

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gleaming sapphire or even better: since you are used to playing while streaming, enable replays on...

I still want this though, if you are able to.
I suspect if it isn't placebo, it's wifi shenanigans and net_graph 4 is gonna show that

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 5:14 PM

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like b4nny that a game like tf2 runs better anyway

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who uses 60000 also which is shite

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any other game its always smoother and better but tf2 no no

night bolt Aug 23, 2023, 5:15 PM

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b4nny uses a lot of shit settings but he doesn't want to change it because he already plays well enough

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:15 PM

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tacit star like b4nny that a game like tf2 runs better anyway

if your bandwidth never goes that low for the kind of packet rate that tf2 sends through your internet connection, it makes 0 difference

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however, again: WIFI is not good, it does a lot of things to maximize something you are not interested in, which is bandwidth

night bolt Aug 23, 2023, 5:16 PM

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increasing rate to the highest is probably not a good idea, id use a lower rate

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especially on wifi

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 5:16 PM

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ok, but you mentioned the stream

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you are probably right about that since i swapped to obs recently

silver cypressBOT Aug 23, 2023, 5:16 PM

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*you are probably

right about that since i swapped

to obs recently*

night bolt Aug 23, 2023, 5:17 PM

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id use 1Mbps or 1.5

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 5:18 PM

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imma just thank you guys for making me feel so r3t4rded

silver cypressBOT Aug 23, 2023, 5:18 PM

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*imma just thank you

guys for making me feel so

r3t4rded*

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 5:18 PM

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because its obs lmao

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:18 PM

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tacit star ok, but you mentioned the stream

the stream will not consume enough bandwidth to make a difference. Do you see the the numbers we set besides "rate"? that's in bytes

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 5:18 PM

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makes sense

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i mean

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i use 6000 bitrate which is too much

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only need like 4000

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:18 PM

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tacit star i use 6000 bitrate which is too much

don't care, not enough

night bolt Aug 23, 2023, 5:18 PM

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wifi is probably not helping

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:18 PM

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night bolt wifi is probably not helping

yes

night bolt Aug 23, 2023, 5:18 PM

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streaming on WiFi

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it is very sensitive

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 5:19 PM

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im just fucked then

night bolt Aug 23, 2023, 5:19 PM

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think about 2 different streaming services

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one the game

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:19 PM

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you said you have a wifi extender right?

night bolt Aug 23, 2023, 5:19 PM

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one the stream

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on wifi

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 5:19 PM

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wifi adapter yeah

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:19 PM

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it is extending a wifi singnal from somehere. Can't you pull a cable from that somewhere?

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:19 PM

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tacit star wifi adapter yeah

wait, you mean a USB stick that enables your PC to connect to wifi?

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 5:20 PM

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ethernet cable, white box in plug socket

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not the wall cable one

night bolt Aug 23, 2023, 5:20 PM

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so a wifi card that connects to your pc with Ethernet

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:21 PM

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tacit star ethernet cable, white box in plug socket

ah, ok so a Range Extender

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yea, if you live at home, shouldn't be hard to pull a cable from the router/modem to your PC

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but I wont hold it against you if you aren't willing to do it

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 5:21 PM

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nah because the people that built this house were cowboys

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already tried with an electrician even, he sais its not possible

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even getting fiber was a joke

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I have netgear wifi adapter/extender

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this is my problem now it seems

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thanks for your time, will change the settings and tweak my stream

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:23 PM

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no, the problem is using wifi at all. But if it can't be helped, then...

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🤷‍♂️

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 5:23 PM

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well not fixed but

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im sure there is a way to make it better, plus i would not be surprised if tf2 ran better with worse net settings

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100 ping sniper is easier than 30 ping sniper anyway

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:24 PM

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like: you can absolutely play very fast paced games and have a great time over wifi, it's just that the amount of precision and reliability you are after is waaaaay to the right of the curve

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and that is not easily achievable over wifi

eternal stream Aug 23, 2023, 5:25 PM

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Explain problem

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:25 PM

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eternal stream Explain problem

nah, its over

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it's jover 😆

tacit star Aug 23, 2023, 5:26 PM

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imma just close this now

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glub

night bolt Aug 23, 2023, 5:33 PM

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you can run a long cable through your rooms and hallways

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it will be slightly unsightly

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but it is a viable solution

gleaming sapphire Aug 23, 2023, 5:35 PM

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yes, I was about to say that. specially if you do it like this: https://youtu.be/W0CPafMeeOM?t=862

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@tacit star

eternal stream Aug 23, 2023, 6:02 PM

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#Major registration problem with hitscan on mastercomfig rate/interp values