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gusty cave
The devs didn't decide the release
hot granite
okay its not hteir fault
gusty cave
Honestly your reaction was a bit too much but yeah I can see your point
gusty cave
Honestly I'm not disappointed in any way
I'm happy about the day in general
And its far from the disasater OW2 was
gusty cave
Well honestly I've loved the counter strike series for years so yeah I might be biased
wicked rock
And its far from the disasater OW2 was
also blizzard on its its really a bad company don't compare apples with oranges btw
gusty cave
its what got me into tf2
hot granite
while cs players will continue to enjoy the unrivaled privilege of the passion living in a spotlight since 1999
hot granite
also blizzard on its its really a bad company don't compare apples with oranges ...
proof?
ocean turret
@knotty vapor 😔 sad day for dnsense moment
gusty cave
<@310513933763215361> 😔 sad day for dnsense moment
😔
wicked rock
tl;dr sexual harrastment under blizzard i don't know the details since i'm on bed atm
hot granite
u hear about that one trans valve employee that got fired for speaking out
gusty cave
Honestly I feel that your anger on the CS2 development is a shared anger with the DOTA 2 development too
wicked rock
who hurt you? lol
hot granite
valve 😭
gusty cave
kneel before me, fool
yess.. daddy
ocean turret
billions must beta test
gusty cave
They should have completed CS2 before it was released
gusty cave
But this isn't generally a bad thing imo
hot granite
its that they bother advertising this as a full release
gusty cave
Like they moved to CS2 which on its own is a good thing
wicked rock
i just want them to remove the stupid rtx requierement for hammer and vrad 😭
hot granite
you should find this outrageous. yet it is intriguing how you do not
ocean turret
i just want them to remove the stupid rtx requierement for hammer and vrad 😭
I think it is vulkan ray tracing
not RTx
gusty cave
its that they bother advertising this as a full release
See the problem is they tried to hit a deadline which they couldn't. Extending a deadline isn't always a good thing
Hype will die down
Yeah maybe they should have never created said hype
wicked rock
I think it is vulkan ray tracing
i wonder if running in vulkan mode allows me to use hammer 🤔
ocean turret
i wonder if running in vulkan mode allows me to use hammer 🤔
try it out
On Linux, the AMD driver can do ray tracing emulation on non-raytracing cards
gusty cave
i dont have to sympathize with it
You don't need to I'm jsut speaking from the opposite perspective
This is by no means bad
hot granite
valve already well knows what happens when they set deadlines
gusty cave
Like look at how fast the Beta development cycle went
hot granite
thats why they are so against setting deadlines
then they set a deadline and what happens again? they fail to meet it
nobody saw it coming
wicked rock
try it out
nah it still crashes 😭
gusty cave
valve already well knows what happens when they set deadlines
Yeah they never should have set one which again is not a good option.
Postponing the current deadline wouldn't have been a good option either
ocean turret
nah it still crashes 😭
😔 zamn
pastel frigate
rayne is distraught about the removal of war games
gusty cave
Like look at how fast the Beta development cycle went
If they continue at the same rate in the next 2 weeks we should have the other gamemodes and maps and then two weeks after that dangerzone and fix of other problems
hot granite
if they wanted more beta users they shouldve just released it as open beta/early access
hot granite
i dont care about the hype
hot granite
thats their fault
ocean turret
instead of danger zone
hot granite
besides
ocean turret
time to glue thogeder alex tools to work in cs2
have fun
hot granite
if anything this release killed any hype
gusty cave
if they wanted more beta users they shouldve just released it as open beta/early...
Honestly this was more of a way to release the game to the general public as in rest of the world. Showing its potential
hot granite
most casual players will be upset at the absence of gamemodes like arms race
my point is
gusty cave
Valve honestly always wanted to hit onto the Valorant playerbase
gusty cave
Yeah true
hot granite
you are making a big mistake by allowing this to be normal
mild locustBOT
hot granite
if you want the best for your games you should pressure valve not to do the minimum
wicked rock
The anger from the community will die out in no time
he's not wrong too
wicked rock
like all most things they die out tbh its inevitable
gusty cave
you are making a big mistake by allowing this to be normal
This is far from the bullshiterry other game devs have been doing.
wicked rock
who hurt you? x2 lol
edit: forgot the lol
hot granite
wicked rock
fr?
ocean turret
fr
wicked rock
damn
hot granite
This is far from the bullshiterry other game devs have been doing.
less bad =/= okay
like i said
if you care about these games you should encourage them not to do even a little bit of bullshittery
give them an inch and theyll take a mile
or whatever they say
do not let them get a single opportunity
as a consumer that is your responsibility
failure to do so makes your corporate overlords get unruly
or atleast
thats what they tend to say
gusty cave
if you care about these games you should encourage them not to do even a little ...
my world is filled with bullshittery, nobody does anything properly. I have just accepted things as is and continue.
hot granite
that is deeply unfortunate
gusty cave
And what Valve did doesn't trigger me as much
Yes I was slightly dissapointed at the lack of arms race and danger zone. Honestly really wanted to see the danger zone maps in source 2's glory
But atleast the core game is well and functional
hot granite
allow no excuses. not from corporations
allow no chance to underdeliver
if you give them a chance theyll make the most out of it
let them know that this is not what they should do for their next games
gusty cave
Honestly yeah your anger is more of a combination of dota and cs2 together
hot granite
i was a former valve apologist like you
but after all these years, my patience's run thin
rustic sierra
overwatch 2 has implemented multiple new heroes and also re-implemented all missing features and made them way better than they were in ow1
hot granite
one day you will embrace the hopelessness as i did
gusty cave
Thats funny I guess me being at the pale start of my life the more I live the larger my patience gets
hot granite
my patience is large
gusty cave
overwatch 2 has implemented multiple new heroes and also re-implemented all miss...
after how how many years?
gusty cave
Yeah ow2 just fixed a few issues and then created a completely incomplete game with a brand new and horrible cosmetic system and shutdown the original game forever more
hot granite
sounds familiar
rustic sierra
after how how many years?
like less than 1 year
gusty cave
Don't compare absolute trash with a dissapointment
wicked rock
and anything that was free in OW1 is paywalled too in OW2
rustic sierra
literally released october 4th 2022
and they fixed all issues with stuff missing in august 2023
so yeah less than 1 year
gusty cave
Good gameplay yes it had, it always had it
But well whatever
I barely cared about overwatch anyway
had like 200 hours in ow1 and 50 in ow2 since a friend wanted me to play it with him
we both left the game pretty quickly
the game itself was not great since alot of the unlockable charecters were too op
not having them was generally a pain in the ass for your team
mild locustBOT
glacial sky
they're definitely using the heck out of the new main theme
as they tend to do for their multiplayer games
knotty vapor
i cried when i saw
knotty vapor
<@310513933763215361> 😔 sad day for dnsense moment
i already saw
pastel frigate
wait csgo had a battle royale?
rustic sierra
yeah they were working on it since 2016 in some form
rustic sierra
nothing
gusty cave
Dangerzone was always really fun to play. Bumpmines were really fun with a MP9
rustic sierra
im pretty sure source 2 has the same map size limit
supple summit
yea, that had always been a mistake in my mind, so I don't really see dropping it as a big problem, and I wish they hadn't even made it in the first place. But not having legacy map support and all the other stuff absolutely is
gusty cave
Sadly nobody really played the gamemode and it was pretty dead used to take 10 to 15 minutes to find a match (5 minitues at minimum at peak hours)
supple summit
omg the discourse has been unbearable
rustic sierra
and then didnt update it at all
gusty cave
They did update it a little tho ;-;
rustic sierra
yeah barely
gusty cave
I mean it was community maps and what not
rustic sierra
fortnite updates every other week
rustic sierra
valve is one of the most profitable companies in the world
gusty cave
Actually replace is a with is known for ...
rustic sierra
they can do both
supple summit
in a different timeline Dangerzone could very well have been a separate game. But with the saturation of BR games, it simply wouldn't make waves. Then it was instead relegated to a gamemode on a game whose core audience was actively critizing battleroyale games
gusty cave
they can do both
And then the community will complain "Valve is improving a dead gamemode rather than working for better servers, anticheat, source 2"
The community always complains and I'm sick and tired of the community
wicked rock
yeah
the community find its way to complain about something
even if is objectively better
gusty cave
in a different timeline Dangerzone could very well have been a separate game. Bu...
I liked Danger Zone mainly due to respawns. I mainly had a playstyle where one in our team used to die and re spawn constantly scouting areas in the map while the other focuses on staying alive with the resources
supple summit
for valve to introduce a totally different gamemode in CS successfully, it has to be grown organizally in the community, there is no other way in my opinion
and that is not really possible with them hiding community servers
gusty cave
The respawning guy can constantly pester the enemies plus killing an enemy simple restocks your loadout immediately with theirs
DZ has a variety of fun ways to play it honestly
wicked rock
yeah
gusty cave
It was unique in the BR space
supple summit
It was unique in the BR space
it was, I agree
gusty cave
I have bought a friend who has like 3k hours on apex to it and he really liked the idea
wicked rock
i think for DZ valve would totally remade that from the ground up
mild locustBOT
wicked rock
since honestly that gamemode is a little hacky in the way on it works
supple summit
It was unique in the BR space
but it simply was surrounded by other unique BR games
gusty cave
Apex has respawn becons buts respawn becons are mostly a death sentence for your team
supple summit
it's like saying you developed an unique rogue-like: nobody cares
gusty cave
but it simply was surrounded by other unique BR games
yeah its unrealistic for valve to work on it
They did work on it pretty well
It was a decent game mode
wicked rock
imagine if valve turn danger zone into a separate game lol
gusty cave
Its just the community who didn't want to play it much
wicked rock
for cs2
supple summit
It was a decent game mode
true
gusty cave
Idk why mcoms blames Valve ;-;
supple summit
imagine if valve turn danger zone into a separate game lol
it would be an even worse decision, in my opinion
supple summit
Idk why mcoms blames Valve ;-;
I also blame valve
they know their communities very well. They always did
and yet they decided to make DZ
gusty cave
and yet they decided to make DZ
They were jumping onto a bandwagon that had infinite potential
wicked rock
sometimes i heard "this gamemode is the most popular of the game" whitout any data or proof to backup the claim
supple summit
They were jumping onto a bandwagon that had infinite potential
ah yes, speculative game development, my beloved
gusty cave
Like seriously 4 million con current players?
And who knows how many more million mobile players
supple summit
They were jumping onto a bandwagon that had infinite potential
this makes it even worse, in my opinion
wicked rock
literally all corporation where jumping into BR when PUGB was the news tbh
supple summit
they are a private company, this sounds like investor decisions all the way down. The problem is that it wasn't
gusty cave
Not just something, it was decent
supple summit
why would they wanna jump in a bandwagon that was several years old as a private company? It's nothing more than a poor decision in my opinion
gusty cave
They were trying something new I guess.
supple summit
They were trying something new I guess.
it wasn't new!! It was an improvement in a formula that was already there for a long-ass time. Many of the improvements/changes to the formula were even mainly driven by technical limitations of the engine
gusty cave
I mean on their part, they were experimenting
gusty cave
And note that Danger Zone was bundled with the F2P thing. Which was ig a funnily good decisions
wicked rock
yep
gusty cave
Make the game F2P to attract players
Add BR to attract players
supple summit
And note that Danger Zone was bundled with the F2P thing. Which was ig a funnily...
yea, that as indeed a good decision
wicked rock
too bad i couldn't ever hoop into DZ because the matchamking for it was dumb
gusty cave
yea, that as indeed a good decision
Also yeah there was a modden BR version of CS that had really good traction back in the day
pastel frigate
regarding it being removed (or at least not added), yeah it sucks when something you like is removed, but if barely anybody is playing it why would valve work on it?
gusty cave
There were like about 300 players at its peak
supple summit
Make the game F2P to attract players
Add BR to attract players
I would even say it was simply to attract players. I would say that was already them expecting their core playerbase to not be very interested and trying to cultivate a new playerbase that was less interested in CS and more interested in BR
wicked rock
regarding it being removed (or at least not added), yeah it sucks when something...
most likely they would overhaul it since before if it was rare to get into a match
supple summit
but it wasn't sucessful
gusty cave
I would even say it was simply to attract players. I would say that was already ...
Yes the core playerbase barely cares. Like they barely care about wargames and most other games modes
Pretty sure Valve knew that
supple summit
it's a pity that they are so stuck in their ways, really
gusty cave
Most people who come to CS mainly look for either
- A easy game to play
- A very competitive game
supple summit
wingman is very cool
gusty cave
Honestly Danger Zone was pretty alive for the first 2 years ig
supple summit
but because of the amount of players, there is even less of a deterrent for cheating
so it turned into a problem
gusty cave
I remember playing plenty of DZ matches with a friend in 2021
On weekends
It was last year that I barely found any matches
supple summit
the launch thing was a surfer's dream
gusty cave
Also idk what valve is doing with anticheat for cs2
they are barely talking which is scary
pastel frigate
they will kill anyone who cheats
wicked rock
i think rn CS2 focus is to make the gamemodes that where not so popular, be popular in some way
like Hostages rescue
gusty cave
CS2's focus is to complete the game
wicked rock
duh
gusty cave
Basically Games Modes, Maps and Community features
They have already teased multiple of the alternative game mode maps
So I feel that they are up next
The new baggage looks pretty cool
knotty vapor
i love danger zone
lilac glen
im pretty sure source 2 has the same map size limit
valve doesn't care about danger zone
frigid dagger
valve is doing danger zone 2
wait
what about that data mining that has something to do with taunts?
rustic sierra
Idk why mcoms blames Valve ;-;
because they can make a new community for it
gusty cave
what about that data mining that has something to do with taunts?
all data mining should be taken with a few tablespoons of salt
you are not supposed to make big things out of it
elfin berry
valve really shit the bed with this transition jesus
rustic sierra
lmao
gusty cave
SDL Audio issues fixed on Dota and CS2
Most rendering issues related to Mesa drivers are fixed fixed on the game's end not on the driver end (Smoke, Molly, AWP Tracers)
There seem to be other SDL Audio bugs that need to be fixed such as game not routing audio through the selected device when ask and still routing through default device. Bluetooth not working and stuff like that
timber geyser
"why didn't valve give us 128 tick in cs2"
elfin berry
inb4 cs fans move the goalpost even further by beginning to ask for 256 tick
frigid dagger
my pc is dying with cs, but also appears that linux version seems to suck and
something i just want to understand why linux native versions is so bad across all games
like
whatever
minor thistle
across all games?
frigid dagger
pretty much
not because all performs worse but sometimes just buggy
i saw something saying that valve added some command that is disabled byt default but improves performance, real or fake?
timber geyser
90% chance fake or unstable/untested
ocean turret
i love danger zone
honestly, danger zone is more fun than casual
knotty vapor
anything is more fun than casual wtf
ocean turret
something i just want to understand why linux native versions is so bad across a...
because games are developed on windows
knotty vapor
csgo casual is not real
ocean turret
then what was I playing all those years ago 😟
lilac glen
casual is just to test cheats
frigid dagger
because games are developed on windows
yeah
elfin berry
We need to resurrect Terry A Davis and get him to develop a superior Linux compiler
glacial sky
if terry davis wasnt mentally ill or got proper care he'd be a world class programmer on the level of donald knuth and linus torvalds
ocean turret
Davix
ocean turret
average source engine moment
solar gate
pov you are watching the 2009 movie Coraline by Henry Selick
pastel frigate
what i mean is nobody enjoys playing casual
I enjoy play casual 😠
mainly because I don't feel like trying out competitive
and when I tried war games someone said the n word after a few seconds so I just left
wicked rock
THE REAL QUESTION: are they gonna add the ability to use the sdk tools without buying a expensive card? smh
minor thistle
probably not
frigid dagger
how to install windows without bloat and without breaking my linux seartch
gusty cave
how to install windows without bloat and without breaking my linux seartch
This is the Counter-Strike Megathread sir
minor thistle
This is the Counter-Strike Megathread sir
#announcements📰 message sorry, these are the rules
supple summit
what i mean is nobody enjoys playing casual
I like it
it plays totally different than comp
specially on very weird maps like assault, its super fun
unfortunately, weird/old maps are no longer an option in cs2
gusty cave
it plays totally different than comp
the thing i like most about casual is the community.
Like atleast in the indian region its extremely fun to play on
the random voice chat interaction make it extremely funny
people commentating on the stupidest of gameplays like its some top tier cricket match
a noob magically winning a 1v5 out of pure chance and all you can hear the server shouting
that one random guy woth a soundboard with every bollywood song and funny sound effect
well its rare to find such lobbies where such people gather but once they gather its just endless amounts of laughter
hot granite
hot take: i dont think things should be removed because they're not as popular
if you think they should i dont know what to tell you
youve already lost
timber geyser
yeah like come on, mannpower and pass time exist
valve can't even update pass time
hot granite
maybe they wanted to get func_vehicle ready for danger zone? 🧐
wicked rock
hot granite
its crazy how we got func vehicle for hl2 which worked really fine btw
and then they never did it again
wicked rock
you mean prop_vehicle
wicked rock
yeah prop vehicle works actually pretty good back in css days
mild locustBOT
wicked rock
for tf2 is a bit jank
timber geyser
is tf2 the only game with turbophysics
because thats like 99% of the reason why iirc
wicked rock
what was even the reason for turbophysics lol
timber geyser
its faster to process
wicked rock
tbh I thin it should be turn off, like i understand it was for hardware constrains from 2007
lilac glen
What’s turbo physics
wicked rock
but I'm pretty sure there's no difference of using that on or off
timber geyser
there's no reason to turn it off for valve servers
timber geyser
What’s turbo physics
sv_turbophysics is a cvar that trades more precise collision with dynamic objects for speed
lilac glen
Ah
timber geyser
it causes basically all dynamic objects that the community likes to use to suck ass in terms of collision
wicked rock
there's no reason to turn it off for valve servers
the problem is thet hardcode the value of that in the game rules
wicked rock
yep check the source code sv_turbophysics.SetBool(true) or int i don't remember exactly
i do know it is set on the constructor of TFGamerules
wicked rock
yep
timber geyser
but to be fair
this is the constructor
it can be overwritten pretty easily
its not like constantly enabling it
gusty cave
Been looking at the modding and scripting scene for CS2
The realization that this has been in beta since march
And moderrs litearlly got into it on day one
Sadly no proper scripting yet in CS2
The lua based vcscript was disabled in beta a long time ago
Rumours about another "Pulse" scripting system and only way to use lua is custom dll's and -insecure
timber geyser
interesting
i do wonder if they'll do panorama scripting stuff in cs2
or if it is in already
cause i know it has caused issues in the past, at least in dota 2
cause uh
mild locustBOT
timber geyser
browser shit
pastel frigate
hot take: i dont think things should be removed because they're not as popular
but danger zone and the other stuff technically wasn't removed
they just weren't added
they would have had to spend time porting them over, and they most likely just decided it wasn't worth it
glacial sky
hot take: i dont think things should be removed because they're not as popular
Or you can pull a Bungie and remove popular content
knotty vapor
Manpower is based however
yessss another mannpwer enjoyer
knotty vapor
bout to ban u
versed pecan
im noticing a specific audio delay (~150-250 ms), any1 encountered anything alike?
versed pecan
cry about it
hot granite
bravo valve
versed pecan
im noticing a specific audio delay (~150-250 ms), any1 encountered anything alik...
can be fixed by choosing the specific device the game is supposed to use
versed pecan
bravo valve
you seem to think of valve as a company that releases great games
mild locustBOT
knotty vapor
can be fixed by choosing the specific device the game is supposed to use
cs2 checking which audio device is the default on every audio frame
ocean turret
cs2 checking which audio device is the default on every audio frame
Erm
ocean turret
Sauce engine?
wicked rock
ngl all this is gonna died next week just likehow linus tech tips fans forgot their drama ;D
versed pecan
rustic sierra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg8AhO0gTW0
cs2 has an input lag problem...
versed pecan
ok
versed pecan
cs2 has an input lag problem...
thanks for sharing this information with me
urban urchin
this new csgo update go crazy
i wonder why they didn’t just call it an operation though
versed pecan
this new csgo update go crazy
this is how overwatch changed in blizzards' mind
hot granite
ngl all this is gonna died next week just likehow linus tech tips fans forgot th...
i dont really understand the point of stating this
ur talking as if youre inside a valve employee meeting room or something
"dont worry guys we can keep not working on the game, the hate will die down next week anyways"
wicked rock
i'm being realistic rayne
solar gate
realistically valve is going to discontinue all cs
hot granite
i'm being realistic rayne
im still not understanding the point of stating that
wicked rock
and i'm not allowed to say that or what?
are you telling people what should or shouldn't say?
since when you're judge to decide what people say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvNm5w-I5sA thank you youtube, very cool
solar gate
are you telling people what should or shouldn't say?
rayne is telling people what they can or cannot say
its not a suggestion, its an order
wicked rock
too bad i don't follow dota 2 fans 
solar gate
free speech is dead and rayne killed it
minor thistle
too bad i don't follow dota 2 fans <:trollfig:938154442484777111>
special moderator powers
wicked rock
special moderator powers <:trollfig:938154442484777111>
the power in question
hot granite
since when you're judge to decide what people say?
i think youre stretching that way too far
i was merely asking you for your point of view because i wanted to understand
yet instead of giving me the opportunity to learn you resort to hostilities
to be fair its on me, expecting any better from a sonic fan
wicked rock
"Resort to hostilities"
Stars to ramble about anything but the matter
"Muh Uh Fandom"
ok
#rules📘
hot granite
fool
you continue to prove my point
there seems to be no need to prolong this matter anymore, it shall have the same outcome no matter what
let us move on
wicked rock
where to move?
minor thistle
@lilac glen dying of laughter
lilac glen
<@194491797823553536> dying of laughter
i have not the slightest idea what you could be referring to
wicked rock
Local news: mod yells to a cloud /j
fr too i'm not even competitive so until i can play funny zombie servers i should be in DM
timber geyser
out of curiosity, does source 2 even have public dedicated server clients
minor thistle
other than using -dedicated, not that i'm aware of
timber geyser
oh is it built into the main client now?
wicked rock
yep
minor thistle
yeah
timber geyser
i see
wicked rock
so technically cs2 branch of s2 no longer relies on old vis system right?
according to the trailers
minor thistle
old vis system? which trailer?
wicked rock
on the one that's about the mapping in CS2
timber geyser
source 2 doesn’t rely on the old vis system at all
that was one of the big improvements to the engine
minor thistle
that's what i thought
timber geyser
it’s all mesh based instead of brush based
wicked rock
i said this because you technically do need to do this in HLA from what i read
idk how it is now in CS2
timber geyser
i assume it’s the same
but vis in source 2 is done via voxels rather than cutting visleafs at specific spots and when intersecting a brush
so it’s more better
doesn’t require as much (or any, i think) wrangling from the mapper, and is higher quality
timber geyser
so it’s more better
i really did type this didn’t i
wicked rock
yes
timber geyser
sometimes it really do be like that
solar gate
i really did type this didn’t i
no
minor thistle
wicked rock
versed pecan
imagine if crackers became the minority…
ocean turret
They are in some places
wicked rock
hello Potassium from chemical class
versed pecan
so it’s more better
native speaker
ocean turret
hello Potassium from chemical class
hello brodspy
wicked rock
idk why but it feels so subreal for me when playing cs2 knowing that before my game barely hits the 40
and i do have a decent rig lol and after the release of cs2 i can hit 57 fps
versed pecan
cpu bottleneck
timber geyser
native speaker
i actually am its kind of embarrasing
i don't speak any other languages lmao
versed pecan
it’s ok you speak cpp
wicked rock
cpu bottleneck
ironically yeah, i can play the game fairly decent
versed pecan
ironically yeah, i can play the game fairly decent
what’s ironic about it
wicked rock
in CSGO was very rare for me to hit anything above 40fps
in CS2 i can go up to 57 fps
minor thistle
what's ironic about that?
wicked rock
good question
solar gate
what's ironic about that?
its like rain on your wedding day
solar gate
what’s ironic about it
it's a free ride when you've already paid
minor thistle
it's a free ride when you've already paid
you get to live
wicked rock
the only thing is i can't use the tools but i can use the HLA tools to create a map, although i can't use the new lighting but that's fine
timber geyser
is anyone here familiar with the gamemodes.txt file
i.e. if it existed in csgo, if its changed in cs2, etc.
cause it does still reference the removed gamemodes, like dz
and coop
nightvision goggles? have those ever been a thing in cs?
they attempt to rebuy flashbangs twice
sidenote, I believe someone here mentioned a new pulse scripting language
mild locustBOT
timber geyser
do we know anything about that? it seems to be compiled into binary
it seems to be for the same maps/gamemodes as the vscripts in the game
so I assume it is meant to replace it
i guess it could be another part of valve's ongoing "we hate any and all things not made by us" initiative
supple summit
nightvision goggles? have those ever been a thing in cs?
yes
CS:Condition Zero
sooo
CS still doesn't have sound on linux?
lilac glen
are you still able to play csgo at all or is it just wholly replaced
rustic sierra
theres like a branch or smthng
wicked rock
csgo_demo_viewer iirc
lilac glen
are you able to host servers that people can join still or no
wicked rock
yes
lilac glen
cool bean
lilac glen
are there no short matches https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1144129228493832242.webp?size=48&name=scandalous&quality=lossless
i cant find the option
supple summit
are there no short matches https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1144129228493832242...
we only got medium matches now
no long matches
no short matches
keeping with the theme of missing features
lilac glen
yayaya
valve is gaslighting me into thinking short matches and long matches were never a thing
italy and overpass gotta be some of the best looking maps in cs2
supple summit
cs2 still has problems running on a second monitor
it keeps thinking showing only the resolutions/refreshrates available in my main monitor, not the ones from my second monitor
and it always launches on my main monitor
this has been an issue for ages
it also renders under the GNOME desktop decorations if I unplug my primary monitor before trying to launch
supple summit
woah! -sdl_displayindex 1 works now, it seems. It didn't used to work in CSGO
lilac glen
Oh swag
supple summit
nvm. Although it launches on my secondary monitor now, it still only shows the other monitor's refreshrate
knotty vapor
no longer super washed out
dont turn your gamma down brah….
lilac glen
gameplay also feels fine
knotty vapor
o
lilac glen
maybe some setting transferred from csgo but idk
best part is i can alt tab and not blow up anymore so
win
movement feels fine ithink
hot granite
knotty vapor
maybe some setting transferred from csgo but idk
no i meant in csgo
you said that like csgo was washed out
lilac glen
oh
no
i never thought csgo was washed out
i was complaining about cs2 looking washed out for awhile
but now it doesnt
mild locustBOT
knotty vapor
i was complaining about cs2 looking washed out for awhile
ohhh
knotty vapor
easier to see where they're going
fs
lilac glen
i do feel the game is like slightly more sluggish feeling but that could just be because my fps is under 60
i dont have an fps counter on rn but i do feel a bit of lag
I alt tabbed and it changed the audio device from my headphones to my monitor for some reason and switching it back crashes my game
lol
lmao
mild locustBOT
timber geyser
cause china is perfect duh
lilac glen
Repost from fortnite
Anyway after enabling upscaling at changing the gpa limit to my refresh it feels slightly better
ok so
full round played
seems fine if not better in most cases
perf is fine even without upscaling and even at lowest settings it still looks fine
i feel like i get a better feel of where exactly im shooting now and it feels like im fighting the gun less often
only thing is moving does feel a bit heavier/sluggish for some reason, not extremely but like yeah
i dont really know why though
based but also not
do not remove options https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1053788796350640209.webp?size=48&name=enough~1&quality=lossless
lilac glen
yeah
rustic sierra
yeah so make it hardware enforced
rustic sierra
how do you spoof native resolution while still having stretched
i mean the only thing i like 4:3 is that the mouse feels different, ive never tried stretched though
lilac glen
is there no viewmodel bob command yet
frigid dagger
really hurts seeing 4:3 stretched and is more non sense using 4:3 not stretched like why?? 16:9 has advantage over 4:3 for being able too see more, if competitive players really cares about advantage they will use ultrawide monitor but fps?
wicked rock
Any good crosshair color you guys can recomend me?
timber geyser
really hurts seeing 4:3 stretched and is more non sense using 4:3 not stretched ...
cause they think its easier for them to see and hit targets that are w i d e
frigid dagger
is there no viewmodel bob command yet
i kinda dont understand about bob
lilac glen
the bobbing of your gun when you move
kinda like the minecraft hand bobbing
frigid dagger
so, using the min bob on csgo i really dont see the difference so i dont care and idk why is a big deal
wicked rock
bruh i don't understand players kicking other players in casual, even if they don't know how to play lol
lilac glen
they're probably leftovers
are you talking about the ones i sent or the one jakez is talking about
timber geyser
the ones you sent
lilac glen
ah
im pretty sure they did stuff cuz i remember maps where you can test and adjust viewmodel stuff and like it making a difference
theyre just not in cs2
wicked rock
is funny and ironic that CS2 is the only game to utilize the steam server browser
like, i though that was kind off, pointless, not at all but when the majority of games uses their own server browser
supple summit
it keeps thinking showing only the resolutions/refreshrates available in my main...
if I try changing the resolution. the game flickers between both the screens extremely fast, my cursor flickers randomly all over both screens in a way I cant control, and both screens become misaligned from the physical bevels, seemingly extending to outside the panel on one side
amazing stuff
this kind of shit already happened to some extend in CSGO. I get them trying to streamline options because there are already so many of them in the menu, but they should definitely just take the fucking L and give back the options to SELECT WHICH MONITOR YOU WANT FOR GODS SAKE
display mode setting, my beloved
lilac glen
Unironically I think the sluggish feeling is cuz of the viewmodel/fullbody bob and the legs
It’s less a real change to the movement but how I perceive it
Cuz I can’t think of any other reason why it’s feel that way
Since like I was able to do movement stuff fine it’s not changed just like it felt sluggish
gusty cave
wooo dedicated server support is up
minor thistle
wooo dedicated server support is up
is there now a dedicated app for it?
gusty cave
No it seems like the same cs2 executable
need to try it out currently busy breaking my laptop
Legit IE Moment
Also wonder what the major Vulkan improments are
Peformance improvement? 🤔
minor thistle
did they fix the visual bugs?
frigid dagger
Peformance improvement? 🤔
i tried and seems the same
gusty cave
did they fix the visual bugs? <:trollfig:938154442484777111>
That was done a long while ago. About 23 hours post release
minor thistle
nice
frigid dagger
i tried and seems the same
i need to try on windows to make sure
minor thistle
i uninstalled the game so i can't test
gusty cave
nice
Idk I should have originally reported it onto ValveSoftware github rather than report on mesa. Maybe it would have been fixed pre release
frigid dagger
i tried launching with proton but doesnt work
gusty cave
i tried launching with proton but doesnt work
Why do people even try such things
A native option exists
frigid dagger
to test
gusty cave
Sadly it wont work
frigid dagger
some user on a issue on github tested and the linux version performs much worse than via proton or on windows
gusty cave
some user on a issue on github tested and the linux version performs much worse ...
Its a bluff honestly. There is only a slight chance that it was true if it were using dxvk.
But VAC kicks you out after a while on dxvk.
frigid dagger
Its a bluff honestly. There is only a slight chance that it was true if it were ...
i dont think so, but as i said, i need to install windows to test
gusty cave
I need Windows to stop giving code 43's to test
frigid dagger
what
gusty cave
Code 43 device failed to start error
urban urchin
just dual boot 
frigid dagger
you advanced linux users dual boot with windows?
frigid dagger
i just dont dualboot because my ssd is small and windows hates hdd
knotty vapor
fair
frigid dagger
at this point i only use it for like fortnite
i used to dual boot to play roblox
because yeah
and now has, sort off, official linux support, for wine, from 1 developer?!?!
this is the year of linux
that still has issues with mouse in wayland but is something i guess
urban urchin
you advanced linux users dual boot with windows?
if i want to use windows too, yeah
i just dont do vms since they're pretty finnicky and annoying to setup
frigid dagger
i kinda want someday to use vm and gpu passthrougth but, hard to setup and probably more hard if i want to play games with anti cheat etc
elfin berry
Dual booting is the easier path with shit like Vanguard and all the other anti cheats that don't give leeway for Linux support
frigid dagger
even if linux support i dont think would be a good idea
mild locustBOT
frigid dagger
like, i have some questions about how anticheat currently supports linux via wine but what about native versions? what about anticheat kernel level in linux? seems scary
lilac glen
full round played
Also also the glass breaking sound is so quiet now 😢
gusty cave
just dual boot <:shrug:931744137626144788>
lack of space and besides that waiting for 11 ltsc
frigid dagger
i alt tabbed and my pc was gone
supple summit
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/csgo-osx-linux/issues/3341
yea, happened to me too
frigid dagger
how i wish we have drivers support like in windows that they update every time a game is release to fix bugs and improve performance
supple summit
how i wish we have drivers support like in windows that they update every time a...
I have that
frigid dagger
como assim?
supple summit
shrimply dual boot windows
ocean turret
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/809907286674767922/1118879685565239316/Ka...
@knotty vapor @hot granite
hot granite
i don't know why they call it perfectworld under china lol
because perfect world is a valve partner iirc
they handle cs in china the same way they handle dota
wicked rock
oh
hot granite
the same launch parameter exists in dota iirc
it will prompt you to authenticate to china and whatever
i think
you dont need it to play on chinese servers, though
although chinese servers have way too high ping for me to even attempt playing
ocean turret
valve moment
rustic sierra
i like how this one says Limited Test but its about the CS2 launch
W
lol
lol
rustic sierra
maybe you have to play a game
hot granite
i did
lilac glen
prolly the same requirements to get the beta
hot granite
i have like 9 hours on csgo on my main
rustic sierra
hot granite
yeah
rustic sierra
prolly the same requirements to get the beta
i got the music kit iirc
but never ranked
hot granite
my alt that has like 280 probably wont get it either because i didnt play on it for years
hot granite
i saw someone complain about no mac support but like
who is playing on mac bru
ok tbh
dont give valve slack
weve been thru this
rustic sierra
i mean which games are launching on mac these days
hot granite
okay fuck it
lilac glen
weve been thru this
yeah ig just like out of all the things that was their opener,.,
ocean turret
i mean which games are launching on mac these days
the games that are paid by apple
ocean turret
the only games I ever see launc hon Mac are those that are written in engines that already have mac support
like renpy or basic unity games
hot granite
someonenis gonna get very pissed and develop proton for mac
rustic sierra
ocean turret
Apple already made something like that
called uh
GamePorting Toolkit?
but I heard it kinda sucks since m chips have weak gpus
hot granite
oh huh
anyways i think the biggest thing that proves cs2 isnt finished is that prime is still around
rustic sierra
why wouldnt prime be around
hot granite
we do not need prime
ocean turret
instead of prime we need kernel level anti-cheat
only way to get rid of hackers for sure
rustic sierra
prime is literally just an economic barrier to cheating
why would they get rid of it
it 1) increases the cost of cheating significantly
- makes valve money
hot granite
i dont like having to pay not to play with cheaters which makes me want to play cs even less
hot granite
point out a single part of me that cares
hot granite
ITS 15???
hot granite
no thanks
lilac glen
I got it for the csgo sdk tools but then never used the sdk tools
ocean turret
nah your reaction is
hot granite
what a dinosaur way to deal with this
ocean turret
would you like a kernel level anti cheat?
rustic sierra
I got it for the csgo sdk tools but then never used the sdk tools <:trollfig:938...
wait you have to pay for the tools?
ocean turret
that still doesn't work
ocean turret
wait you have to pay for the tools?
yup
lilac glen
wait you have to pay for the tools?
yeah you need prime
at least for like csgo hammer and stuff like that
hot granite
would you like a kernel level anti cheat?
dota doesnt need a kernel level anticheat
frigid dagger
i agree that prime should not exists but unfortunately i dont think that this will change, what about players that already have prime? what about the indie company valve making money?
lilac glen
dota doesnt need a kernel level anticheat
hot granite
to be fair i was confident itd change but
that was when i was a valve apologist
which was like 4 days ago
lilac glen
do you are trolli g
rustic sierra
i thought people said this was the first time source 2 tools have been free outside of dota
rustic sierra
dota doesnt need a kernel level anticheat
dota scripting is a lot more limited than csgo cheating
lilac glen
i thought people said this was the first time source 2 tools have been free outs...
maybe it changed with cs2 but when it was csgo yeah
frigid dagger
prime is kinda price here and playing with friends that not already play a long time cs is painful
hot granite
dota scripting is a lot more limited than csgo cheating
im more talking about the barrier of entry being different
dota is free but requires you to put in a lot of time and associate a phone number with a single account
frigid dagger
i really just wish that VAC with idk how much data they have will do something
hot granite
cs just has a 15$ paywall and thats that
hot granite
i really just wish that VAC with idk how much data they have will do something
best not hope for anything friend
save yourself the nerves
the better vac gets the more obsolete prime gets
they obviously don't really want to make it too good
frigid dagger
is more like, if they can do properly people may realize that anti cheat kernel level is just too much
hot granite
i dont think thatd inspire others to do better
frigid dagger
but gamers will protest!!!! (no)
frigid dagger
but gamers will protest!!!! (no)
to others games that have anti cheat kernel level
i dont think that prime generates much money to valve like gambling so maybe more gambling for everyone???
aaaah
valve why you have to be like this
hot granite
steam
no pressure to be the best
theyre only the best when they feel like it and thats rare
frigid dagger
i fucking hate that nobody tries to compete, idk if is possible or what
epic games is just... well
hot granite
epic games is just... well
Epic boss Tim Sweeney
gusty cave
they obviously don't really want to make it too good
Honestly other games are looking into AI tech right now and it has advanced pretty far
Don't think Valve will really nerf themselves for the megre amouts Prime Money they get
hot granite
you give them too much credit
gusty cave
In other words they will be forced to implement better VAC when other games start using AI Anti cheat to detect cheaters.
knotty vapor
<@310513933763215361> <@626901342291755008>
laughed
gusty cave
i saw someone complain about no mac support but like
who is playing on mac bru
A decent number of M1/M2 mac users. CSGO worked automatically without any tweaks or such and gave decent 90ish fps at like ig 2K resolution? Idk what resolution those shits runs on
versed pecan
i don't know why they call it perfectworld under china lol
valves’ publisher in china
versed pecan
i used to dual boot to play roblox
wine denier
versed pecan
lack of space and besides that waiting for 11 ltsc
you have a vm that’s taking up your hard drive. no need to thank me for this enlightening
gusty cave
you have a vm that’s taking up your hard drive. no need to thank me for this enl...
The qcow2 image is compressed often having a ratio of 50% due to how uncompressed general os files are
gusty cave
and besides that Its dynamically allocated meaning that I can always easily remove files from the VM and trim and reclaim back free space
I can't do this when windows is its own parition on the disk
versed pecan
excuses… win11 fan
gusty cave
winbtrfs
You cannot run windows root on btrfs
plus booting into windows is cringe
i love my linux workspace too much
alt tabbing straight out of windows back into linux is fun
anyway I fixed the Passhtrough issue
Or more like found another workaround to make it work
@versed pecan also interesting pfp
versed pecan
<@235307846676381696> also interesting pfp
wicked rock
now that i think off, wouldn't be turning off shadows be a handicap since you wouldn't longer know if you're giving away your position and you would never know where the enemy comes from?
🤔
gusty cave
its nice
gusty cave
now that i think off, wouldn't be turning off shadows be a handicap since you wo...
yeah?
its kinda the same thing in csgo too
but less advantageous
In CS2 shadows are more pronounced and revealing in alot of areas
Really good examples on Nuke Trophy room and B site
The entire site is a giant lightbulb projecting your location to the ceiling
gusty cave
I guess not iirc somebody made a video on it ending with valve pls fix
lilac glen
3kliks?
versed pecan
hi skyrmy
gusty cave
no somebody else made the video with 3kliks voice at the end
gusty cave
@versed pecan copying cs2 over to windows vm atm
versed pecan
<@235307846676381696> copying cs2 over to windows vm atm
why
versed pecan
i don’t anymore
rustic sierra
erm
gusty cave
is it actually a psd file?
lilac glen
yes
lilac glen
theres multiple
versed pecan
i will proudly pirate it
you…
lilac glen
if its shitty why do you use it
cuz they use aggresive patents to decrease any chance of competition having the same features
and i need to use it since i need the legacy brushes
gusty cave
lmao this is perfectly in sync with the song im playing
mild locustBOT
lilac glen
and so i can view psd files properly
versed pecan
if its shitty why do you use it
if it’s shitty why do people dedicate their lifetimes into using them?
gusty cave
cuz they use aggresive patents to decrease any chance of competition having the ...
wait adobe's tools are actually patented??
lilac glen
kinda sorta
gusty cave
oof
lilac glen
they have alot of patents
gusty cave
i mean that is kind a shitty patenting a tool
honestly one of the reason i don't use krita is because how experienced im with photoshops tools
versed pecan
6000 active patents
gusty cave
spent hundreds of hours using them
versed pecan
hot granite
krita/csp masterrace
lilac glen
whats csp
hot granite
clip studio paint
lilac glen
oh
hot granite
though that's more used for art
than for photoshop-like purposes
krita tries to be both
i love my paint.net
gusty cave
@hot granite purrr
versed pecan
gusty cave
nothing to analyze in a purr
wicked rock
i mainly use gimp because tbh i can load psd files there
lilac glen
gimp is so bleh
i dont like using it
bad ux
i just use it like a glorified image viewer
gusty cave
Gimp when loading my 800mb psd file with hundred different layers masks and effects
versed pecan
wow you got a kde system running a kde system