Counter-Strike Megathread - Trade Up // Market Down

[minor thistle]

no response

[supple summit]

chill

[minor thistle]

never!

I will always be anger

i eat cats

[minor thistle]

what?

[versed pecan]

banned

[frigid dagger]

You make me want to cry. That's (In my opinion) kind of cruel. But even so, I do respect YOUR opinion.

[minor thistle]

🫡

[versed pecan]

i will eat another

[rustic sierra]

what did they lie about

they never ever said 128 tick

it's not Valve's fault you can't understand basic information

like first off, can you not read?

second of all, we all learned graphs and shapes in like 2nd grade

[wicked rock]

can you give your point instead of being mean to people?

ok i commited a mistaked no need to beat a horse already

[rustic sierra]

can you give me yours?

[wicked rock]

i literally said i commit a mistake can you end this debable?

[rustic sierra]

you called people liars

[wicked rock]

you really love to be mean to people when they're wrong

[rustic sierra]

confidently incorrect

not just wrong

[wicked rock]

you got your answer and you insist on being mean

you really don't follow your own rules isn't?

[rustic sierra]

i didnt get an answer, i got my answer after i was mean

[mild locust]

*i didnt get an

answer, i got my answer

after i was mean*

- mcoms

[rustic sierra]

im sorry for being mean but you accused people of lying, implied a legal threat against them, and didn't even elaborate when asked

[gusty cave]

more cpu usage and more network usage for what exactly? servers dont come cheap neither does twice the bandwidth required.
It was never viable and now with subtick updates why do we need more accuracy again?

Besides that there is the problem of nade lineups. All jump throw nades will have different interactions on 128 tick and 64 tick servers. This will effectively divide the playerbase between both the tickrates.
Valve doesn't want to deal with the discrepancies caused due to different tickrates and hence they just hardcoded it into the game client.

[gusty cave]

Besides the new CS2 networking stack effectively increases bandwidth usage by 80%. So yeah nobody wants to quadriple the bandwidth usage to please some random persons placebo.

[supple summit]

lets think about what parts of the game would benefit from updating more often

I think that viewangles is a big one

another one is shooting, because at the tippy top of skill there may be very close trades

then there is stuff that is fine like it is now like grenades and other physics objects

I would also say that player movement is ok in 64 tick and even when it isnt, interpolation settings enforced in comp servers (thank God) take care of the rest

so basically, you can see that there is much more need for faster updating of client input than faster sending of state from the server.

this is what sub-tick helps with

[gusty cave]

CS2's first ban wave is gonna be fun to see :>

[elfin berry]

😭😭😭😭

[frigid dagger]

https://vxtwitter.com/MaximsTweets/status/1702299775477928358

[minor thistle]

Wumpus hugs his knees and sighs

[versed pecan]

hey friends

you can trip an anticheat check by spamming a command that turns you 180 degrees. "yaw", that is

[solar gate]

you can trip an anticheat check by installing aimbots

[supple summit]

what are you doing next Wednesday?

any plans?

[versed pecan]

yes

playing cs2

[supple summit]

good

[gusty cave]

hopefully linux client is out

[gusty cave]

oh wait its my birthday

Finally something eventful on my birthday :>

[versed pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sleepy-cat-tired-cat-gif-13281019531031963521

[gusty cave]

ill actually be doing something happy on my birthday for once

[mild locust]

*ill actually be

doing something happy on

my birthday for once*

- lonely potat

[versed pecan]

Happy birthday.

[gusty cave]

Valve sending me a gift ☺️

[supple summit]

its too early to get your hopes up

[gusty cave]

ehh never had any

anything that happen on wednesday would be good

[elfin berry]

realistic TF2 pipebomb in your mailbox

☺️

[rustic sierra]

cheat patch

[gusty cave]

nom

[gusty cave]

works

[versed pecan]

no release. just danger zone

[supple summit]

the thing with the game always updating while 3klikphilip being away is legitimately funny

[gusty cave]

Well he is way more away now a days so yeah

[gusty cave]

Heyyyy its Wednesday

[versed pecan]

hap birday

[gusty cave]

thanks my dear <3

now time to wait and see what valve cooked

[versed pecan]

danger zone

i told you

[gusty cave]

huh did they announce it already?

whar

[versed pecan]

look up a little

[frigid dagger]

i mean, i dont think is just danger zone

[pastel frigate]

sorry but it's not summer anymore

it can't release until December 21st

[versed pecan]

who knows

what secrets we'll uncover

[gusty cave]

Dramatic

[supple summit]

got a rank in the beta season

now if they display the last rank in the game somewhere, I can say I played the beta 😎

[ocean turret]

congratulatieons

u r beta

[supple summit]

😩

[hot granite]

https://twitter.com/wp494news/status/1707071166740050157

wickedplayer494 News (@wp494news)

CS:GO 360 subscriptions appear to have been mass cancelled, with subscribers to the in-game statistics service getting refunds for the last month.

Likes

268

Twitter · Sep 27, 2023, 4:34 PM

[timber geyser]

i forgot they even added that service

[gusty cave]

CSGO Matchmake down

Valve servers borked. Lots of dedicated servers are having problem authing their tokens

[supple summit]

every single region is at full load

[gusty cave]

Ig the transisitoning has begun

Yes

They are sunsetting CSGO

We are right now in the last matches ever gonna be held by the matchmaking system

[minor thistle]

isnt dota also having issues?

[supple summit]

just had issues, yes

also the TF2 API for a bit

[gusty cave]

Or maybe valve servers just dying who knows

But yeah more likely they are sunsetting

Tianjin, Tokyo, Shangai and Seoul servers just went offline

[supple summit]

Sterling and Buenos Aires too

[gusty cave]

Yes

It is confirmed

[supple summit]

maybe those ones finished all of their ongoing csgo matches

[gusty cave]

Nobody can officially host CS:GO Dedicated servers anymore

Its confirmed

[versed pecan]

jooooe biden

[gusty cave]

Its the beginning of the end

[versed pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-with-eagle-joe-biden-walking-confidently-flying-eagle-walking-with-confidence-gif-18750703

[gusty cave]

Syndney is gone

Australia is Gone

China is Gone

Korea is Gone

For some reason Stolkholm is still online 🤔

[minor thistle]

someone should just reimplement the game coordinator 🫡

[supple summit]

there are probably people still playing matches there

[gusty cave]

No there are still matches going on in the servers that are online I presume

[supple summit]

yes

[gusty cave]

One of my friends is still in a match

currently 13:13

[supple summit]

you don't expect for the servers to go from full load to offline instantly, right?

[gusty cave]

Near instant but yeah

[supple summit]

then that's why Stolkholm is still up

[gusty cave]

Madrid and Atlanta have just gone

[solar gate]

stockholm syndrome

[versed pecan]

russians will be playing the videogame ….

[gusty cave]

10/25

Brazil just went offline @supple summit

[minor thistle]

stockholm lives

[frigid dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1011447241468301343/1150981835095035925/firefox_riTXOTDNiA.gif

its happening ?

[gusty cave]

Sunsetting at 44%

LA Just went offline

Vienna and Frankfurt just went offline

Stolkholm still showing "Low Load"

lmao

[minor thistle]

it will never die

[gusty cave]

Singapore has just gone offline!

Warsaw just went offline

[gusty cave]

Hong Kong just went offline

[solar gate]

rip https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_(video_game)

[hot granite]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-w-gus-fring-gus-gustavo-deleted-gif-25440636

[versed pecan]

today

[gusty cave]

All of Europe is down

[minor thistle]

stockholm 🫡

[hot granite]

Stockholm

[versed pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/vodyani-endless-space2-core-cracker-orbital-cannon-gif-20109196

[gusty cave]

Dubai is down

[minor thistle]

Idle load 🙀

[gusty cave]

Only 2 servers stand in asia

[solar gate]

whats left

[supple summit]

quick, someone do that meme about the soldier defending a child in a bed from a stream of bullets

the soldier is Moses Lake

[gusty cave]

Mumbai, Chennai
Moses Lake
Johannesberg
Santiago

Lima Just went offline

[tender heart]

@gusty cave has leveled up! (27 ➜ 28)

[versed pecan]

sir yes sir

[solar gate]

Johanne!

[gusty cave]

Sunsetting at 76%

[solar gate]

lima balls

[gusty cave]

5 servers stand

[hot granite]

imagine theres like

a bunc hof guys deliberately preventing games from ending

to hold cs2 release hostage

[gusty cave]

MG matches are leaking into GOTV Not enough global games left

[versed pecan]

you could even watch silver games there

idk whar ur idea is

[solar gate]

they'd probably just get kicked at some point

[gusty cave]

Unlikely

[minor thistle]

"🫡"

[gusty cave]

The last stand between the 5 servers continue

[rustic sierra]

Counter-Strike Megathread - 🫡

[versed pecan]

salut

[frigid dagger]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/545216402466799617/1066505660109434950/attachment-1.gif

[solar gate]

i hope warsaw turns back on

[gusty cave]

THE LAST 2 MATCHES OF CSGO

[minor thistle]

watch live

[solar gate]

bibsnips carry

[supple summit]

you can't, there is no way to do an overtime in matchmaking

[hot granite]

if theres a will theres a way

[gusty cave]

THE LAST MATCH

[versed pecan]

i wonder if they know

[solar gate]

wil carry

[timber geyser]

i hope that getting forcefully disconnected from the game causes you an abandon penalty

[solar gate]

imagine being dr0pz ur just playing a game and then see you were bottomscoring in the final match of the game and everyone is seeing you dr0pz the ball

[versed pecan]

the ball

[gusty cave]

As matches are gone

[minor thistle]

the final bottomscorer

[gusty cave]

GG

CSGO has ended

[timber geyser]

end of an era

CS is over

[solar gate]

nature is healing

[gusty cave]

Yk how dota lore is like every match is canon

wonder if csgo had lore like that

[minor thistle]

the final match is canon

[solar gate]

dr0pz canonically was carried

[minor thistle]

they're all offline except stockholm

[hot granite]

stockholm can be counted as offline since its idle

its not in use

[supple summit]

scanning for servers show no more Valve CSGO matchmaking servers, only empty cs2 servers

[gusty cave]

wer this

[supple summit]

https://github.com/PredatH0r/SteamServerBrowser

it's just a server browser that doesn't filter certain servers out like Steam's does

[versed pecan]

why they insecur?

🫣

[supple summit]

no idea

[versed pecan]

vacnet is here...

[ocean turret]

So

Will cs:go be taken down like overwatch was?

Or will there still be community server support?

[minor thistle]

theres an old branch for demos

idk if they're going to keep the gc online for it though

[mild locust]

*idk if they're

going to keep the gc

online for it though*

- replay

[gusty cave]

there will prolly be community support

[elfin berry]

They're uncomfortable about their body

game coordinator dysphoria

[versed pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1001034270107770934/1149392172811042867/IMG_0262.gif

[gusty cave]

Stockholm at Idle Load be like

[minor thistle]

STOCKHOLM IS DEAD

😭

[gusty cave]

STOCKHOLM IS DOWN I REPEAT STOCKHOLM HAS FALLEN

[minor thistle]

[gusty cave]

CS2 releases in 10 minutes

hopefully

curl 'https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/GetServerList/v1/?key=STEAM_API_KEY_HERE&limit=40000&filter=\appid\730\name_match\Valve%20CS:GO*Server*\'
There are some casual/arms race servers still running

[minor thistle]

steamdb server is dying lmao

[gusty cave]

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx_NLNieVEA

some user on the steamdb server started this stream

literally a bash script on loop 🤡

[frigid dagger]

https://pastebin.com/Wg9Wzkxq

[minor thistle]

cat cs2.py import jsonimport sysimport refrom datetime import dat...

[versed pecan]

Pastebin.com is the number one paste tool since 2002. Pastebin is a website where you can store text online for a set period of time.

[elfin berry]

thank you talon lowrule

[hot granite]

322 players on us southeast

chat is spamming buh lol

https://tenor.com/view/cuh-guh-buh-gif-26372267

bro these 394 players do not wanna stop playing

[supple summit]

imagine being in the last csgo official server

player count on every single one says 12, so these are all probably comp matches

actually nvm

they are playing ar_dizzy

lol

[frigid dagger]

what

[supple summit]

is scout knifez still playable?

[elfin berry]

Dizzy Izzy

[frigid dagger]

gaules is saying that is fake but i dont doubt it

could be bots?

[supple summit]

CallMeCarson is in the chat

[hot granite]

csgo renamed to cs2

[minor thistle]

CS2

[hot granite]

csgo/cs2 needs 21b to install

[minor thistle]

asDKpokpdkapoas

[hot granite]

https://twitter.com/counterstrike/status/1707133016345338334?s=46&t=108nlaEXShzkgzjMQccD3g

CS2 (@CounterStrike)

Likes

11546

Retweets

2578

Twitter · Sep 27, 2023, 8:40 PM

[frigid dagger]

where my

linux native version

valve...

[versed pecan]

Changelog:
Removed Linux.

[hot granite]

restart your steam

and it will appear

the 33gb cs2

[ocean turret]

WHAT

[frigid dagger]

omg

omg

[ocean turret]

lol

I was downloading CS:GO

closed steam

reopened it

and I sitll have CS:GO artwork

[frigid dagger]

whyy

wait

[ocean turret]

what

[frigid dagger]

i guess was my distrobox that died for some reason?

[minor thistle]

lmao

counter-strike 2: global offensive

[celest field]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516297008063971331/1156670602992701581/54DFF32A-0E1A-4EBD-AB0F-8577069361B7_1_1.mp4

[ocean turret]

@knotty vapor

[minor thistle]

I just realised

cs2 linux depots are live now

fiendhook2 is in development now 🫡

[ocean turret]

😭

I am in the middle of downloading windows depot

😡

[minor thistle]

[ocean turret]

relaunching steam

hopefully that does something

idk

[minor thistle]

looks like they're using sdl3 👀

[ocean turret]

😭 that ain't even out yet

[minor thistle]

steam also uses it btw

[ocean turret]

🤯

compiling sdl3 rn so I can use native sdl3

torltorltolrtorltoltorltorltorl

[minor thistle]

vac ban incoming

[ocean turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/650908594555977741.webp?size=48&name=env_explosion&quality=lossless

🙀

[urban urchin]

when is fiendhook 2 dropping

[minor thistle]

when i finish download shaders and start downloading cs2

[ocean turret]

getchhook 3

[minor thistle]

@urban urchin when

[ocean turret]

yeah @urban urchin when

https://tenor.com/view/dog-blown-away-blown-back-gif-22009589

[urban urchin]

when cs3 drops

[ocean turret]

oh so true

[versed pecan]

see you in 2033…

mfw no major recodes in 10 years

[ocean turret]

this is talonhook

[gusty cave]

@ocean turret @solar gate CS2 seems to not being using Pipewire or Pulseaudio Backends for audio and trying to directly jack into ALSA

The issue is probably reated to the SDL library right?

[minor thistle]

lol

[versed pecan]

whyd you ping ratking…

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1001034270107770934/1149392172811042867/IMG_0262.gif

[gusty cave]

He linux expert right? ;-;

[minor thistle]

jarateking known linux user

[gusty cave]

yes

known linux user

[rustic sierra]

jarateking has a job

[gusty cave]

lemme try some stuff

indeed but he can check if he wants to

but oki maybe shouldn't have pinged him

[ocean turret]

GUS

I GOT IT

G

LOLOL
I AM GETTING 8 FPS

HHAAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAA

[gusty cave]

windows on linux?

[ocean turret]

no they have linux native

[gusty cave]

yeah so you are right now on which ;-;

audio issue there

[gusty cave]

.

Wtf the issue has propagated itself to dota 2

in latest update

[ocean turret]

I think that is an SDL3 issue

[gusty cave]

ahahahahahah

[ocean turret]

I ma pretty sure

you can use

SDL_AUDIOBACKEND

or something

to set what audio backend sdl uses

[gusty cave]

doesn't help

[ocean turret]

owned liberal

🔥

ok

I think I am going to buy a new motherboard now

[gusty cave]

i tried copying over the dota 2 libraries and it doesn't help either

[ocean turret]

my desktop has been out of comission for 2 months

since I bricked the mobo

[gusty cave]

well now even dota 2 has the issue so amen

[ocean turret]

this is perfect time for new mobo

[supple summit]

is performance really bad on linux or are you on a underpowered PC?

[ocean turret]

I am on a Ryzen 5 5625U APU on battery mode

I can try plugging it in and see what happens

I can also try running on proton

[supple summit]

don't bother if its just to answer this question

[ocean turret]

ok true

[supple summit]

not worth giving you the hassle

[ocean turret]

Also I just realized I am not carrying my charger on me

lolol

[gusty cave]

So yeah possible botched sdl library

[ocean turret]

Let me try usnig system sdl3

[gusty cave]

Epic Game Crash incoming!

[ocean turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1127914742552465529.gif?size=48&name=explod&quality=lossless

[gusty cave]

@ocean turret -sdlaudiodriver pipewire

Fixes problem

[ocean turret]

Cool

You should make an issue on the github for this

so people know

[gusty cave]

Done lmao

[ocean turret]

swag

[gusty cave]

Nice

Due to the Mesa bugs not being fixed I now have smoke hacks

[minor thistle]

all linux users will be banned in 5 minutes

[gusty cave]

All mesa users

not linux

AMDVLK or nvidia doesn't have the issue

[minor thistle]

all linux users.

[gusty cave]

:<

[minor thistle]

[pastel frigate]

is it out yet

[timber geyser]

erm, this is slander against me i don't even play cs

[pastel frigate]

interesting that the player count hasn't gotten that high yet

though I suppose it's night in a lot of places

[timber geyser]

its night, big download

[hot granite]

cs2 is cool but its murdering my dying gpu

its cool though

[elfin berry]

better than murdering everyone's dying cpu

[timber geyser]

youtube upload if you actually want good quality video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSE38xjMLqE

[minor thistle]

you better start playing it, then

can't have fiendhook without it

[timber geyser]

i tried, the gunplay isn't for me

[minor thistle]

I've only played csgo offline against bots

[timber geyser]

i actually played casual once or twice

hoping to get into the cs2 beta before i realized that wasn't going to work

I find it really funny how there's some people complaining that people are considering this a new game and are like "actually its just csgo updated"

but like

thats was CSS was

an update to 1.6

and CSGO was an update to CSS

its the same fucking game

it always has been

minor changes between each version

well maybe not minor but not like

it is the same game at heart

[timber geyser]

lmao

[ocean turret]

Yo

[ocean turret]

same

[pastel frigate]

ah yes, cs2 requires a Intel® Core™ i5 750 or higher

[timber geyser]

ain't no way

[gusty cave]

they released it when the peaks are low

lets see how it is tomorrow

[gusty cave]

Oh sad my old Intel i3 540 is now Outdated 😔

Okay so its basically 1.2 million when the player nnumbers should be the lowest

lets see how much it is in 14 hours when it hits peak

[pastel frigate]

oh yeah I see

[ocean turret]

I am famous

oh damn

they got the cs2 workshop tools vailable

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/925784073975250965.webp?size=48&name=Pray&quality=lossless

[minor thistle]

no linux workshop tools 😔

maybe someday

[ocean turret]

hopefully

[hot granite]

ok performance:

funnily enough the main menu runs terrible but the actual game runs fine

this seems to be source 2 syndrome, something dota also does sometimes

[mild locust]

*this seems to be source

2 syndrome, something dota

also does sometimes*

- rayningforests

[pastel frigate]

the menu is capped at 120 fps for some reason

[glacial sky]

forgor the fps menu cvar

assuming it has one for the menu like csgo

[pastel frigate]

it appears to be fps_max_ui

[ocean turret]

Yeah

[pastel frigate]

I think the game is running better than csgo for me lol

unless it's just because I don't have it on max settings

[ocean turret]

idk I am in class rn

God

I am legit thinking about getting a new motherboard to get my desktop running again

[hot granite]

it defaults to high and almost fried my system

[pastel frigate]

get a better pc

[frigid dagger]

about being possible to use left handed

[hot granite]

you will fry as my system almost did

[frigid dagger]

valve doesnt wants or maybe they will try something that everyone can use ?

[pastel frigate]

performance seems good though

so good job valve 👍

[frigid dagger]

cs2 gameplay

[ocean turret]

I disable this on steam

[ocean turret]

me too

I was getting 8 whole frames per second on the menu

[timber geyser]

better than stuttering ingame i suppose

seriously tho why is not precaching shaders such a widespread problem

you'd think it'd be so well known now because of how widespread it is that devs would fix it

please tell me that cs2 has shader precaching

and doesn't just rely on fossilize

[gusty cave]

Average Windows User

You can probably disable it on windows

disabled it ages ago on linux

[pastel frigate]

get a better pc

[timber geyser]

you can disable it on windows

[frigid dagger]

i use linux btw

[timber geyser]

in fact, i'm actually installing cs2 now because i want to see the SDK, so i might as well check

[frigid dagger]

im pretty sure u can

[timber geyser]

i know you can

like its the same button

[frigid dagger]

ah

ignore

[gusty cave]

These are some cool stuff

[lapis wagon]

unironically hyped to begin mapping

[gusty cave]

Yes I really wanna do it too

Source 2 has soooo many FUCKIGN NEW FEATURES

EMISSIVE TEXTURES

I WANNA CREATE MY DREAM NEON MAPS

[lapis wagon]

i worked with the alyx tools for a while and it was so efficient

[supple summit]

tip: if you run a custom resolution/refresh rate and your game takes a long-ass time to alt+tab, that's because the game switches to the monitor's native resolution/refresh rate before switching back to the desktop's refresh rate. You can use CRU to switch your native resolution, which is something you aren't able to do with Nvidia's or AMD's control panel

this also goes for TF2 and other source 1 games, I believe

[timber geyser]

I have like 1 hour in actual gameplay

[lapis wagon]

yuore a veteran now...

welcome to the club

[timber geyser]

thank GOD

thats all i wanted to know

hey wait a minute

[lapis wagon]

anyone tried the linux port?

[timber geyser]

hey WAIT A MINUTE

[timber geyser]

@ocean turret probably

[lapis wagon]

does it have weird mouse issues like tf2 or are those fixed

[timber geyser]

wait do i still need prime to get access to the sdk

[elfin berry]

I'm downloading on my steam deck rn because the update didn't initially work

It would just instantly crash

[timber geyser]

i'm killing valve

[elfin berry]

It wouldn't even show that spinning steam logo it would just bump me back to the game screen after the controller fade appeared

[timber geyser]

just kidding valve i won't kill you

[pastel frigate]

seems right steam

[gusty cave]

of? CS2?

Oh SDK tools I presume lemme check

[lapis wagon]

Counter-Strike Megathread - 🫡

no the game

but ig those too

[gusty cave]

CS2 Linux port is near perfect

Current properly reproducible and tracked bugs are :

• Fails to launch on steamdeck UI
• Audio failure due to recent SDL Update (They added pipwire support but Pulse audio broken and issues) (Issues happens on dota 2)
• Mesa smoke render bug

Other bugs I'm try to reproduce

• A Navi 10 user seems to have stutter issues only on Wayland (sway) which doesn't make sense

[ocean turret]

Don't most vulkan drivers already have a shader cache

[lapis wagon]

ah, so if audio works in dota it'll also work in cs2

[ocean turret]

I have

erm

[lapis wagon]

neat

[ocean turret]

Audio needs a flag to work

also

[gusty cave]

Erm basically they have to fix the libraries

thats it

[ocean turret]

The mouse sense is low on sdl3

yeah

[timber geyser]

that requires someone with your GPU to have built them first

[gusty cave]

yeah something is very weird

idk what tho

[lapis wagon]

come on man

[ocean turret]

no no no

like

[timber geyser]

with your GPU on your driver

[gusty cave]

it feels ever so slightly off

[ocean turret]

After you build shaders for CS2

[lapis wagon]

so tf2 is double sens

[ocean turret]

they are saved on your system

like on linux

[wicked rock]

is sdl3 even usable? liek that wasn't in like alpha state?

[timber geyser]

yeah

[lapis wagon]

and cs2 is reduced sens

[timber geyser]

of course

[ocean turret]

~/.cache/mesa_shader_cache

[gusty cave]

valve has been using it for ever lmao

[timber geyser]

I jsut wanted to make sure it precached them instead of generating them during gameplay

[gusty cave]

but yeah its in alpha technically speaking

[timber geyser]

cause a lot of games do that and it sucks because it causes the game to stutter whenever it generates a new shader

and some games use a LOT of shaders

[gusty cave]

I don't think Workshop tools have a native port 😟

[timber geyser]

they don't

but to be fair S1 hammer didn't either except in like, portal 2

[lapis wagon]

if i had a nickel for every valve-released fps on linux with mouse sensitivity issues that I play;
I would have 2 nickels

[tender heart]

@lapis wagon has leveled up! (28 ➜ 29)

[gusty cave]

How is that fair

This is source 2

[ocean turret]

actually

[gusty cave]

Cmon valve make native shit

[ocean turret]

Yo ucan fix that on TF2 by using newer sdl2

[timber geyser]

yeah and they also require you to have a GPU with hardware accelerated raytracing

how is that fair

and no i'm not salty because i have a 1070

[ocean turret]

I think they use hardware accelerated raytracing for baking light

[gusty cave]

The new CS2 music kit has alot of New Era vibes with slight tactical vibes. Its weird

[timber geyser]

yes, they do

[ocean turret]

is it Nvidia only?

[timber geyser]

no

[ocean turret]

or does it use vulkan raytracing

swag

[timber geyser]

but it just sucks because there is no way to use the CPU anymore

there used to be a launch option that was depreceated because it didn't support some of the new features

but its gone now

[gusty cave]

huh it doesn't need dedicated raytracing, just a good enough gpu

[timber geyser]

no, hammer NEEDS it

you cannot compile a map with lighting without one

[gusty cave]

Like what exactly do you need

How do you know which cards are Ray Tracing compatible?

[timber geyser]

usually they're marketed to fuck and back as having them

for nvidia its anything 20 series and above

for amd idk

[gusty cave]

Yeah what I mean is which API does it use

DXR?

Or something else

[lapis wagon]

not on my machine :3

[gusty cave]

Because yes DXK requires driver support

[timber geyser]

no clue

[lapis wagon]

for whatever reason newer sdl just

does the literal exact same thing

[gusty cave]

But there are some path tracing implementations that work on old GPU's too

[gusty cave]

Yeah then its possibly DXR

Yes just verified

[timber geyser]

I mean nvidia enabled RTX stuff on 10 and 16 series hardware because they thought it would be funny (people wouldn't shut up about it and they wanted to show them that they did need a new card for it)

doesn't work for me

[gusty cave]

You need a dxr capable card to compile maps

[lapis wagon]

ill compile your lighting for $20

jkjk

[gusty cave]

Also what is SDL3 videodriver envar?

[minor thistle]

SDL_VIDEO_DRIVER probably

[gusty cave]

sdl2 is SDL_VIDEODRIVER no extra _

[gusty cave]

well this doesn't work anyway

[minor thistle]

https://github.com/libsdl-org/SDL/blob/main/docs/README-migration.md

[pearl path]

https://docs.mastercomfig.com/

[gusty cave]

oh im sorry 🫠

all hail replaycoding

[ocean turret]

On linux

you can emulate hardware raytracing with mesa

at least on amdgpu I think

it does hardware raytracing via cpu

[minor thistle]

er, sorry if that came off a bit passive-aggressive. only realised after 😔

[timber geyser]

linux wins again

i'm not installing it

[gusty cave]

erm

[ocean turret]

🫡

[gusty cave]

no no no its cool

[gusty cave]

sire what would be your recommened way to compile sdl3 library for source 2 games?

[ocean turret]

sdl3-git aur

[pastel frigate]

that sounds slow

[ocean turret]

it is better than nothing

[pastel frigate]

but I guess it's better than nothing lol

[ocean turret]

yu

p

[minor thistle]

map finishes rendering in 5 years

[gusty cave]

also LD_preload or is there better way?

[ocean turret]

you can like

just replace the library

itself

in the folder

[gusty cave]

Yeah same

CS:GO had another method ig

you use some SDL envar to point to the new library

Yoo discord support flac playback

[timber geyser]

i like the music style they're going for

[gusty cave]

Original was great too

[timber geyser]

true

the og cs:go theme is iconic

[gusty cave]

Original has a dramatic and tactical scene

not scene fuck i can't find the word

[timber geyser]

this one is more e-sports lol

[gusty cave]

The new one has a End of the Era and tactical theme

[timber geyser]

but that does seem to be the vibe valve wants

[gusty cave]

Yeah it does have the esports thing

Kinda like the ESL theme

Ahh ESL theme my beloved

Sends goosebumps everytime i hear it in a major

flac the superior lossless audio codec

If I'm right black mesa uses lossless files for its music?

black mesa xen had great music

You know something? I now have a reason to celebrate my birthday! CS2 was released on that day

Lul the double peak

[elfin berry]

Finally launching cs2

Ok that's not good

uh

Steam Input doesn't work

Well I mean the official valve controls don't work

I have to revert to the WASD template for steam demc

😭

Oh no ig controller support is deprecated for now

cs2 runs nice on the menu

At locked 56fps for some reason

[knotty vapor]

not entirely surprising

[gusty cave]

Hmm what would be the replacement for net_graph 🤔

[timber geyser]

i guess valve is confident that steam input emulating m+k is fine

[elfin berry]

no it still tries to make you use the old steam deck layout upon first launch but that one doesn't work anymore

options menu doesn't even have a controller section atm

[gusty cave]

The smoke bug has gained actual traction, Valve devs are working on it rn
https://github.com/KhronosGroup/Vulkan-ValidationLayers/issues/6564

[lapis wagon]

well, they had flick stick built into csgo without steaminput

or without having to use the steam overlay

[gusty cave]

TIL https://www.upsamplesoftware.com/ works on the Valve 3D graphics stuff

[elfin berry]

im so crushed that they just threw that all away with the cs2 release

[rustic sierra]

its just his shell company so he can contract for valve without actually working for them

[gusty cave]

erm

okay should have looked up more

haha

[minor thistle]

looks like they updated sdl3

[gusty cave]

oh cool bug probably gone

[gusty cave]

doesn't fix issue ig

[glacial sky]

do we know if mike morasky did the new counter strike theme

[elfin berry]

No that's tf2

[versed pecan]

racism^2

[gusty cave]

I mean thinking about it it might me mike morasky

Yes it is Mike :>

He confirmed on twitter

[versed pecan]

oh wait

when do we get other announcers?

@gusty cave

do you mind streaming some stuff to me

its still downloading

im up to play if you want to

sometime.

[gusty cave]

any particular things?

[versed pecan]

maybe,

[gusty cave]

ill stream on twitch and stay on vc

[versed pecan]

erm

[gusty cave]

one sec ill eat my food and brb

[versed pecan]

twitch ad money

[gusty cave]

discord streaming trash

[versed pecan]

i dont need quality

i need info

but ty anyway.

[gusty cave]

yeah eating rn 🔃

[versed pecan]

cycle

who up repeatin the cycle?

[glacial sky]

cells interlinked

[gusty cave]

@versed pecan

[versed pecan]

im on bud

[solar gate]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-bud-light-inhale-meme-gif-14760526

[gusty cave]

wut u wanna see tho

[versed pecan]

oh god its buffering

my internet is not withstanding such quality.

[gusty cave]

why u muted and deafened tho

[gusty cave]

K ill stream at 720p

@versed pecan undeafen urself

[versed pecan]

ok this one lowpoly thing was humorous

are they keeping the bottom left thing forever?

like in every cringey beta-ish videogame

[gusty cave]

probably

[versed pecan]

at least make it transparent..

ok the new theme is weird

WHY IS THAT THE SOUND THEY USE FOR THE JUMPTHROW

[gusty cave]

sounds like doom jump sound

[gusty cave]

erm

[versed pecan]

still is buffering due to me downloading stuff in the background

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6qMQjTLtj4

dude

literally

[gusty cave]

yeah

[gusty cave]

3000kbps ;-;

ill drop it to 2k

[versed pecan]

ok now is stable

ig

uhh

[gusty cave]

any particular thing you wanna see?

[versed pecan]

i forgot what i wantd to see.

[gusty cave]

discord is not connecting for me :>

[versed pecan]

ya i been logged off multiple times now

i thought it was my internet

what are the _vanity maps fotr

[gusty cave]

RTC Connecting 🔃

[versed pecan]

thats what you get for being on us east.

ok does the game still have locally hosted lobbies and such

if so we can test stuff later .

[gusty cave]

yeah

[versed pecan]

wonders

my internet connection is not well .

[gusty cave]

sadge

how much is your download complete?

erm if u not watching me stopping stream

[versed pecan]

one percent left.

[gusty cave]

okay i go back to latest mesa to use smoke hacks

[gusty cave]

:>

[versed pecan]

wow me when valorant beta and nvidia lod tweak

[gusty cave]

:>

[elfin berry]

;3

[versed pecan]

you did that thing too?

be honest

[gusty cave]

nope ;-;

[versed pecan]

:(

[gusty cave]

never had a good enough nvidia card to do that

[versed pecan]

what!

uh

do i have to compile all shaders to launch cs2

cus it wont.

do i have to pin them libs like you guys mentioned

nvm relaunching steam fixed it

i eated it

still no scroll bar on containers lol

cool stuff

ANYWAY STICKERS ARE STILL ON SALE LMAO

THAT THING ENDED 4 MONTHS AGO

ok so noone actually plays solo maps anymore

they just grind premier

instead of opening the fps eating community server browser it now pops to steam thing? how cool..

last csgo servers were held hostage by boosters, sources claim. (i am the sources)

[hot granite]

god this release is actually so dogshit lol

ive officially lost all hope for valve

ive been a valve apologist for the longest time but this is so embarrassing i cant feel bad for them anymore

dota downscaled in development just so valve can set a deadline and not meet it, shooting themselves in the foot

morons

releasing an unfinished game and missing their summer 2023 deadline, shouldve just delayed it wtf

like any normal company wouldve

they even forgot to add mac support for cs2

so mac users are completely unable to play cs now

half of the game not even released

what a joke

WHAT A SICK JOKE

genuinely what a shit company man

and neon prime isnt even going to be good

i held that thought even while i was a valve apologist, the premise for that game sounds like the worst shit ever and i can hardly believe valve came up with it

that shit will flop hard

really disappointed in valve man

i knew their standards arent as they used to be but i didnt figure itd be this bad

what the fuck is going on there internally man

this company sucks so much man

why do they always do shit right when u expect them not to and always do shit wrong when u expect them not to

[supple summit]

chill

[hot granite]

im chill

just upset

i don't even care about cs i dont play it its just upsetting

the tint on my rose tinted glasses is fading

[glacial sky]

hardware and steam means that only 150 ish people are working on games

[hot granite]

the problem was never that theyre slow the problem is that their shit is never finished

theyre starting to embrace the "release unfinished, finish post launch" way of game development which sucks ass

they shouldnt have made that fuckin deadline man

couldve been so easily avoided

they never do deadlines for this exact reason and they try it again and surprise surprise it happened

idk why i care so much, i dont even play cs

[supple summit]

The following things bothered me about the launch:

• Italy not available in comp matchmaking
• Server performance issues in my region (2 premier matches I was on simply disconnected every player)
• No community server and workshop map support for the sweaty tryhards
• The CSGO coin is ugly

[hot granite]

i really used to think valve does learn from its mistakes but it seems like it's forgetting them

i think its outrageous how they basically forced the beta on everyone and painted it as a full release

its not even marked as early access

[supple summit]

don't care about the missing gamemodes and I honestly interpret their absence as valve trimming what didnt really work out

[hot granite]

🧐

elaborate

[glacial sky]

arms race was fun to kill time

[supple summit]

huh? it was literally an option

[glacial sky]

about the only part of csgo I liked

[hot granite]

csgo is no more

you are basically forced to play an unfinished game now

[glacial sky]

I copied the csgo files to a USB drive to become a collectors item in 70 years

[supple summit]

oh yea, and I forgot a thing I didnt like:
They should've been about 1000% more confident in CS2 if they planned on replacing CSGO completely

[supple summit]

yes yes, thats a terrible decision, but they did make it an option during the limited test

[hot granite]

? so what are you trying to say

the fact that it was an option before is moot

im mentioning that youre forced to play an unfinished game now

instead of it being an option

[glacial sky]

Shipping gets you bonuses

[supple summit]

you said: "they forced the beta" which is untrue, thats my only contention

[hot granite]

keep lying to urself

[supple summit]

yes. agreed

[hot granite]

so is that not being forced to play a beta

because thats what it is

the build number is even visible at all times during gameplay

[mild locust]

*the build number is

even visible at all

times during gameplay*

- rayningforests

[hot granite]

not to mention many promised launch features missng

from launch

i would forgive them if they just delayed it but they just forced it and called it a day, will fix later

[supple summit]

which ones? I didnt read the FAQ in full so I could've missed

[mild locust]

*which ones? I didnt

read the FAQ in full

so I could've missed*

- kenajcrap

[glacial sky]

I was surprised that valve put in effort to make a new steam server browser but now we know why

no in game server browser

[supple summit]

I see "CS2 is a free upgrade to CS:GO" which is definitely a broken promise, but nothing more concrete

[versed pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/invisible-ink-pig-head-memoji-gif-25029183

[rustic sierra]

wait arms race is gone????

literally the only mode i ever had fun in

everything else was just terrible for me

[supple summit]

Oh yea, and also the achievements thing and the linux problems were pretty cringe

[supple summit]

I liked scout knifez

they called it flying scoutsman i think

1 positive thing that I though flew under most people's radar is private matchmaking

it's a very interesting idea to help prevent toxic players

don't know if it's copied from somewhere else

[hot granite]

ikr

the only times i had fun in cs was outside of bomb defuse

just brainless shooting i like it

[rustic sierra]

also does this mean all CSGO maps are gone

like all surf maps

the full workshop

I'm really surprised they gave up on map compat

[supple summit]

ehh, they were all just css surf maps anyways 😆

cs2 not being its own appid was absolutely not worth the hassle at all

what a flop of a transition

[rustic sierra]

i think this is worse than OW2

well in some ways it's better

it's finally source 2

smokes

premier

vac live

but like

removing so much stuff

from csgo

it's just bad

[hot granite]

its so shit

i didnt expect them to just rename csgo

why are they so stupid

they used not to be this stupid

what the fuck is going onnn

it breaks my heart man

clown fiesta

[solar gate]

when

[hot granite]

i really cant be arsed to explain

[solar gate]

yeah i wasnt really asking seriously either

[rustic sierra]

they were always stupid

[ocean turret]

my csgo maps still show up whenever I right click on cs:s

and click on workshop

but still

I don't get why they didn't release it as a ne game

[hot granite]

not always

short bits of smart

[ocean turret]

https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/browse/?appid=730&actualsort=trend&browsesort=trend&p=1&days=-1

I still see all the CS:GO workshop stuff

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=308490450&searchtext=

[lapis wagon]

i think you can still load it in CSGO

[ocean turret]

I can still like

[supple summit]

me neither

[ocean turret]

select them

in my steam library

I still have the CS:GO art work

for CS2

[supple summit]

there is a csgo compat beta branch, i believe

so you can just open your maps in that

[supple summit]

no idea

I guess they didn't wanna keep supporting and hosting servers for csgo and this way they wouldn't have people moaning about it?

but then again they could simply update csgo to remove matchmaking and let there be community servers

maybe they didn't wanna have another game to keep having to come back to and fix RCEs and other big problems that might come up?

but that's such a minimal workload that I can't see that being the only reason either

I know it's apples to oranges, but imagine if the Dota 2 source 2 transition happened like this lol

[glacial sky]

they didn't want to deal with economy items being in both games or people whining if they disabled csgo economy items

[supple summit]

ah! there we go

[glacial sky]

once again the digital economy makes development harder

[supple summit]

yea, that's much more plausible

didn't even think about the inventory problem

[rustic sierra]

WAIT

i just realized

danger zone isnt in either

AHAHAHA

[supple summit]

wha

OK, but why the laugh?

[rustic sierra]

like they are removing so much content

and they invested so much into danger zone

and theyre killing it after 5 years of it launching, as well as updates throughout the years

and community mapping for it

[lapis wagon]

i don't think it's gone for good they're just handling this launch really terribly

[rustic sierra]

this seems like a beta

that they are saying is a full launch

but yeah, like no legacy map support (which they worked on for 2 years but didnt close out seemingly), no war games, no danger zone, no co-op

[hot granite]

i mean

the game is identical

to the beta build before launch

except for very minor differences

lol

they didnt remove anything

they just didnt finish it

[rustic sierra]

i think they just got tired of the limited test community

[mild locust]

*i think they just got

tired of the limited

test community*

- mcoms

[rustic sierra]

and want to do a mass beta test

because all the people interested in limited test were doing was complaining about tickrate

[hot granite]

remember how artifact 2.0 got cancelled and a reason for it was cited "lack of interest"

[rustic sierra]

so they wanted to just release it and get the casuals seeing ooo look

[hot granite]

for a closed beta valve let noone play

[rustic sierra]

cs2 release

[hot granite]

i guess they realized oh shit

were doing it again

[rustic sierra]

casuals arent gonna beta test anything usually

[hot granite]

either way the launch sucks ass imo idc what ppl say

[rustic sierra]

they just hop from new release to release

[hot granite]

no excuses!

[rustic sierra]

theyre just gonna gather data probably

from all the spike in players who will try cs2 once and never again anyway

no matter how complete it is

[hot granite]

yea true

[rustic sierra]

just so they can improve the game down the line for their core audience

because its like maybe 100,000 who did the limited test maybe

maybe even less

vs like

[hot granite]

yeah but like

[rustic sierra]

1 million who are doing the launch

[hot granite]

they dont really need 1 milion

to port danger zone

and arms race

to cs2

[rustic sierra]

yeah they do, for aggregate data

[hot granite]

lol

[rustic sierra]

well

[hot granite]

no they dont

[rustic sierra]

yeah but they dont need that anyway

to get data

they want the data as soon as possible

so they can close out the beta period

because all that is just gonna be ported

with no changes

[hot granite]

data data data

[rustic sierra]

so why need to test it

[hot granite]

i suppose so

[wicked rock]

valve isn't blizzard with overwatch 2 child out lmfao

[mild locust]

*valve isn't blizzard

with overwatch 2 child out

lmfao*

- Brodspy

[elfin berry]

I'm so torn about my steam deck layout not working Alexa play despacito

[hot granite]

what if i tell u that they are

[gusty cave]

difference is that its not gonna stay trash and won't dissapoint users like twice post release.

[hot granite]

https://tenor.com/view/gman-hl-hl2-half-life-half-life2-gif-25189631

i also thought dota would not suffer so much from neglect

never ever trust them with anything again

[gusty cave]

Valve cannot afford to flop this man. Its not really an option

[gusty cave]

You biggest mistake was ever trusting a corporation

[hot granite]

as long as they got steam they can flop whatever they watn