Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[left sand]

yeah that too

and like, i dont think zesty is necessarily malicious, its just that he wants to contruct a narrative and he doesnt really know where to look to actually verify if that narrative is entirely true

well ig when you have that big of a megaphone you have a responsibility

but yeah its like just him conclusion farming

[wintry marlin]

There was a kid who was constantly drama farming with disinfo and he abandoned his channel. Now he goes under a different alias, internet anarchist

Zesty seems less malicious but nostalgia poisoned

His whole thing is that he is a tf2 boomer

And he preaches about how old times were better to children

[high current]

I’m a TF2 boomer too, I don’t think that explains his abrasiveness, and I agree with some of his general sentiment but disagree with his methodology and many of his takes.

Like I think Valve should have higher standards for maps they accept into the game, we don’t need 10+ every season, 5 or maybe even less high quality ones would be better. I don’t think we should fault mappers for it like Zesty seems to think though, anyone can and should make maps, Valve should just screen maps better.

Same with cosmetics, Valve needs higher standards and needs to check the paint regions of different cosmetics before accepting them. I think modelers should document how to do paint regions better so it’s not as prevalent of a problem, but again, Valve adds them to the game not the modeler.

My issue with Zesty is he is essentially the equivalent of what he condemns so much. He condemns mappers and cosmetic makers for making low quality items and hurting the game as a whole. But then he is so abrasive and under-informed as a TF2 boomer that he enforces the “salty TF2 boomer” stereotype that turns our own community against boomers and scares off newer players, mappers, modelers, etc.

[radiant merlin]

will valve make a proper update page this time?

[orchid sorrel]

Zesty is like

A 4chan tf2 boomer

As opposed to like

A spuf tf2 boomer

[next nymph]

when did zesty start playing tf2? I thought i remembered someone saying he didnt even actually play for some of the time he's nostalgic for

I don't want that to itself be misinformation so take what I said with a grain of salt, i genuinely don't know other than a vague memory of someone mentioning it before

[wintry marlin]

2013

iirc

[drowsy marlin]

doesnt that guy have anything better to do with his time

[wintry marlin]

or earlier

he bought the game

proof of purchase is right there

https://steamcommunity.com/id/zesty_jesus

nvm his inventory is private

backpack.tf is down

so I can't get a snapshot

okay now it loads

[left sand]

#1072696252162117752 message

[next nymph]

yeah that's what I was thinking of

[next nymph]

maybe it speaks to my sense of time but like, how are you the most vocal voice of old-fashioned tf2 if you seemingly didn't really play it much if any before mann vs machine. Like in my mind that's the start of "modern" tf2

[orchid sorrel]

Zamn my acct is older

[wintry marlin]

no mercenary badge on his account

seems like deleted it

[left sand]

wouldnt there be history for it

[wintry marlin]

either bp.tf snapshot is incomplete or he deleted it

but yeah if you go into your own steam trade history you will also see items you deleted

[next nymph]

might be deleted pre-proof-of-purchase because he wanted the inventory space. I know a few people who did that

[wintry marlin]

like me

I deleted the mercenary badge on my first account

[next nymph]

wait when zesty talks about classic style tf2 cosmetics, is he talking about pyrovision

like when he's talking about nostalgia for the traditional artstyle, does he mean this

[wintry marlin]

notch hat

[left sand]

before he said he hated pyromania because it infantilized one of the cruelest characters by making him someone with child like wonder

so i think he thinks that started to ruin the original vision too

[next nymph]

but he wasnt even there for it, what does he mean

[wintry marlin]

I think he doesn't vibe with alice in wonderland psychological horror theme

Personally imo it characterises pyro in a very unique way that we rarely get to see

[high current]

Honestly I wish pyrovision was expanded. I think it’s cool when you play a map with actual pyrovision but the list of supported maps is so microscopic relative to the modern map pool.

[drowsy marlin]

pyrovision is awesome though in the lore imo. Pyro only being able to commit atrocities through a goofy childlike vision is pretty raw

is pyro a boy or a girl

[eternal haven]

both

It just depends what mods you have installed

[drowsy marlin]

I have mastercomfig and team comtress 2 installed

[next nymph]

genderfluid, specifically lighter fluid

[sacred totem]

The coolest part about this is you can't even try to make a competitor to rgl because valve wont accept new medals

[fallow ridge]

time for nahl to go back to ugc

[cursive peak]

Did anyone care about the medals?

[fallow ridge]

they're a nice incentive for new players

[cursive peak]

Back when I was in Iron, everyone treated them as a joke.

[tacit flare]

It's a major incentive for a lot of people.

[jagged pawn]

you can get the rights to old medals from existing orgs, I know a couple people that have done this

I got a Sacred Scouts medal 7 years after the tournament bc someone asked the original organizer "hey do you mind if I run a sequel" and he was just like "sure"

[high current]

Did Eric smith reply to an email saying the medal thing wasn’t necessarily true? I just assume that established comp leagues can’t submit a new model every season.

TF2CL is meant to be kind of like a faceit replacement iirc. Probably won’t be a direct competitor to RGL, but honestly it might be more along the lines of what I’m looking for from comp TF2 when it comes out.

[lone tinsel]

imagine caring about demo compatibility...

[charred thicket]

so evil that drawhud is a cheat command

[cursive peak]

https://rgl.gg/?a=1871&r=39

6s retro cup

Though, I'd have gone all in on retro with non-pro versions and thrown in old whitelists.

[high current]

I think the idea is that these are supposed to be old maps that could see a comeback. They looked specifically for maps with pro versions with active maintainers, and gravel pit for the vibes.
I also suggested removing medic scout speed for the cup but I don’t think that made it in, sad pocket soldier

[livid oracle]

no yukon

[radiant merlin]

Yukon is weird

[jagged pawn]

gravel pit is a great pick, excited to see how modern players approach it

can't find any info on warmerfront, who's making that?

like obv I get that it's a continuation of warmfront but I can't find what the changes are or who made it

[radiant merlin]

warmfront is coldfront right?

[jagged pawn]

yes

there was a period of time where every winter map got a pro variant that removed the snow effects to save precious frames lol

[radiant merlin]

Playing in my brother's pc, and he has blur enabled

And mouse5 killbind

[charred thicket]

what a monster. that's where crouchjump is supposed to be bound

[charred thicket]

Noob question. Are server plugins downloaded locally?

And would downloadfilter=mapsonly break servers that rely on a lot of plugins?

[small siren]

*And would mapsonly

break servers that rely on

a lot of plugins?*

- wxvu

[lone tinsel]

plugins are entirely server-side

[charred thicket]

Working on archiving a bunch of community assets from an old computer of mine. Just saw the video about trade_phys_tower and I actually used to play on there at the time. There's a chance the plugin is still on my computer if those get downloaded.

[charred thicket]

darn!! thanks.

i guess that means mapsonly is probably safe to try then

[eternal haven]

mapsonly is usually good

only servers that download custom sounds/models/materials type stuff will be missing things with it

[charred thicket]

Yea I'd imagine it would break VSH and stuff but I don't play that so we good

[charred thicket]

Is there anywhere else i can place maps and have them show up in my create server list besides tf2/maps and tf2/download/maps and the workshop folder? Would be nice to have a spot specifically for local custom maps that isn't polluted with other files.

[lone tinsel]

i've never tested it but try putting it in tf/custom/blahblahblah/maps

[eternal haven]

technically you could even add whatever searchpath you want by editing gameinfo or using that insert search path launch option

[charred thicket]

Works! thnx

[drowsy marlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/719071613907107860/1477397541200072896/IMG_5762.jpg?ex=69a49d2e&is=69a34bae&hm=fa4896885cb9e15f9f179d43d22ed7a5973bc3e6b769bfeee46637094fca7eee&

[high current]

Do bullets come from the udders?

[drowsy marlin]

I hear that cows shoot lasers from thier eyes

[drowsy marlin]

https://vxtwitter.com/tf2huntcom/status/2028101412014506467?s=20

TF2Hunt (@tf2huntcom)

https://t.co/HTEEre5X9x

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Mar 1, 2026, 1:33 PM

[worn pendant]

does someone knows how to make footprints to disappear on first person

[eternal haven]

foot prints?

[left sand]

taunt

[charred thicket]

Is there a setting to disable voice commands from appearing in text chat?
I could have sworn it was an advanced setting, but even googling it is giving me nothing. Either hallucinated or blind.

[radiant merlin]

iirc if you mute people you'll no longer see their voice commands

[livid oracle]

@left sand

[left sand]

this is gonna have so many security vulnerabilities i bet

[livid oracle]

code is ai-generated

[left sand]

that's what i said

wait theres no documentation on how the exe is being generated

[livid oracle]

this can just be a public database idk why it has to be an executable

also what if this tool somehow blows up and everyone used it, now it's gonna be downloading a billion gigabytes of sprays just so you can see a few sprays in a casual match

[lone tinsel]

where's the server

surely they didn't use crc32 for this

[green tulip]

that's what Source uses sadly

hash collisions are inevitable

[lone tinsel]

i wonder what would happen if i uploaded 4 billion files

[small siren]

*i wonder what would

happen if i uploaded

4 billion files*

- mtobject

[left sand]

lol

what if someone uploaded a 4tb file

[livid oracle]

LOL

also this is md5 but truncated afaik

[left sand]

even if source uses it, wouldnt it be better to hash it independently?

[lone tinsel]

clientside size checks, amazing!

[left sand]

well we dont know if its also on the server

[livid oracle]

pretty sure the limit is <1024 KB

like i think there's a trick to do sprays at 1020 KB

[next nymph]

wasnt it blocked in valve servers over concerns of illegal shit. Is this gonna be moderated or is it just gonna download tons of illegal stuff

[lone tinsel]

they still allow decals so idk

although i guess those are hosted on steam so it's easier to moderate?

[next nymph]

i could see the use of like a python script to run in the background and periodically update automatically or something, but even thats a bit overkill

i wouldnt ever trust this for multiple reasons

[summer willow]

can i have the source of this?

[drowsy marlin]

Player sprays are a bad idea anyway. People upload the craziest stuff

I don't wanna see that

[lone tinsel]

https://kyleigh-metaphorical-noblemanly.ngrok-free.dev/download/DF2867DE.vtf open this file in your favourite pdf viewer

[limpid panther]

#1072696252162117752 message

[summer willow]

oh didnt see, thanks

[radiant merlin]

Hoo lee shet

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/commit/674857c2f2781eee3c7a0d9ff4cb74221c4b430d

[eternal haven]

this will really suck for all 6 people who decide to use it

[floral sandal]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/pull/1791

3rd person taunts are kinda busted. Like there's this and the unintentional delay time after the taunt to return control, and zoom back in which broke at some point

[radiant merlin]

finally dragon's fury usable

[wintry marlin]

is mvm update out yet

oh look there's a lot of community fixes from names I recognize

great timing

[eternal haven]

Bruh how they doing all these fixes and they still havent fixed this thing

[small siren]

*Bruh how they doing

all these fixes and they still

havent fixed this thing*

- mysterious_eagle_46873

[wintry marlin]

I love that one

especially when it puts me into the ground

[eternal haven]

It's like a newish bug

introduced when they reworked all the prediction stuff I think

year ago or so

[wintry marlin]

it usually stops after you jump

[tacit flare]

Fixed cloak and rage meters being mispredicted (community fix from ficool2)

Fixed prediction issues with Spy watches and cloak (community fix from ficool2)

https://youtu.be/P3ALwKeSEYs

I didn't even know I needed this fixed.

[livid oracle]

iirc ficool has a pr for this

i think it's from player positions not being networked at full precision

[stone light]

i dont

and that isnt a good fix

[livid oracle]

whats the actual issue?

[stone light]

not enough precision

the ideal fix is to send full precision only when ur close to the player

[radiant merlin]

it also happens with buildings and moving platforms

[wintry marlin]

I usually see it happen when spawning

[wispy meteor]

Can someone tell me whats value of snd_mixahead mastercoms use currently

I cant check this by myself

[wispy meteor]

Wouldn't it be better to set this value a little lower? Something between 0.05-0.02 or it will take to much cpu

[paper sluice]

I’m pretty sure anything lower than 0.5 causes bugs?

Or is unstable? (Fact check req)

[paper sluice]

You just saw that audio delay vid too didn’t you 😭I saw it in my recommend

[wispy meteor]

I saw this video, but I once saw a post about it on Reddit and remembered it

The post is 12 years ago xd

[left sand]

keep in mind that lowering the sound buffer doesn't necessarily reduce latency

the mixahead time truly is, just how much sample is fed into the directsound cursor

if the game produces more samples than is mixed into the directsound cursor buffer

then you actually get a delay because the next update won't be until later

[wispy meteor]

I am aware of this, but I was surprised that the config uses a value five times greater than the base value

[left sand]

the default value is 0.1, so it is half

[wispy meteor]

Ye my bad i miss the dot

[charred thicket]

DF fires towards the center now? Seems like it.

[unborn pecan]

new tf2 update...

https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=265126

Fixed an issue where players could impersonate TF2 system messages by exploiting color control codes ```

finally

[eternal haven]

I hope they didnt use that pr someone submitted for that

the one that doesnt fix it and actually makes a new bug

[left sand]

considering its not credited nor merged i dont think they did

[eternal haven]

yeah I glanced at the disassembly it looks like they made it way different

[summer steeple]

idk why but I really wanted to do this with the new* poker night items

it felt cute

unfortunately the description tag character limit didn't let me put in the rest of the mercenary badge description

I just realized something, did they update the game yesterday just so that the reissued items were in the item schema?

like obviously there were other changes but I kinda get the feeling they would've held onto this update until either the MvM update or the summer update if they didn't need to add those

[lone tinsel]

can't they update the schema without a client update

[summer steeple]

no clue

but I know there is a file in the files the user downloads that gets updated

looks like they actually turned the old versions of the items into a prefab, and then made the old items use that prefab, and then the new items use that prefab but with a different string in the name

presumably so that they behave identically

[summer steeple]

i just realized i got the day wrong lmao

i may be stupid

[wintry marlin]

I got 3 of these all at once

and won a tournament too

I felt like the game got easier

the river and the flop don't fuck me over as much as they tend to do

the turn is when I tend to get my best combinations and when I decide to commit or quit.

[left sand]

i think they forgor about the release

[livid oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsJQhkjJr-o

they claim here that a stealth patch fixed this (because they cant replicate it)

[small siren]

*they claim here that a

stealth patch fixed this (because they

cant replicate it)*

- wget

[livid oracle]

and i commented under the pinned post that there's no stealth patch you can check steamdb and this is more likely a bug with whatever server plugins there are on the custom server they're on since the projectile code is 100% untouched

and then later they deleted my comment???

[next nymph]

owned

[livid oracle]

my comment was literally just this

there was no stealth patch, you can check steamdb to confirm this

if you check the code change from this patch, you'll find that the df projectile code is 100% untouched, so there's no conceivable way that the patch would have affected the bonus damage hitreg

since it doesn't look like you can replicate it, this is more likely a bug with the server plugins that this custom server is running

[wintry marlin]

What's the bug

[livid oracle]

i think they actually banned me from commenting on their channel, because you can do this:

any comment i write on their channel won't appear

and i checked and i can comment just fine on other channels and it appears in incognito mode

???

[wintry marlin]

Soy tf2ber

Can't handle criticism

[livid oracle]

i literally cant leave any comments on this channel they just disappear immediately even on their other videos

[wintry marlin]

why would he test bonus damage hitreg on an mge server on a pyro lmao

The afterburn just runs out

You have to run at the pyro to have enough speed to get bonus damage with that much delay

This youtuber should go work in a coal mine for 3 months to think about what he did

[livid oracle]

if this isn't just youtube being stupid again then this is just fucking baffling

[wintry marlin]

Have you considered that they don't like you because they recognized you as the community fixer and because they had already jumped to conclusions and seeing you try to do damage control is hurting their narrative

[livid oracle]

that sounds stupid however this is a qp guy so idk

[next nymph]

make a response video

[wintry marlin]

they will make a response video in return

[high current]

Drop a diss track

[livid oracle]

video deleted, guess im awesome

this was the video if you didnt see it i guess

i still wanna know how this even happened

because im like 99% sure it's a bug with some server plugin

i tried to see if the raytrace might be too short and tested perfect 45-degree hits at various distances and it works fine

[radiant merlin]

Why didn't he just tested on an itemtest server lol

[small siren]

*Why didn't he just

tested on an itemtest

server lol*

- ashewiki_tf

[radiant merlin]

Oh didn't see that he deleted it already

[drowsy marlin]

Incredible testing

[stone linden]

that’s so funny. the absolute confidence and ego lol

[small siren]

*that’s so funny. the

absolute confidence and

ego lol*

- fishodee

[drifting sleet]

Why don't the Sixense convars show up in the TF2 developer console in the SDK, but do in the live version? Every file I've looked at implies they should be present at least, even if the Sixense SDK is missing.

[lone tinsel]

they're only compiled if SIXENSE is defined

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/blob/4685a125d79b757568369fd87ade0b7ddc107c29/src/game/client/client_tf.vpc#L29 you can see here that it's only defined if you're not on the sdk

[drifting sleet]

I've been struggling with this for 3 weeks, all because I missed an exclamation mark 🤦

thanks

[drifting sleet]

Got the Sixense convars to load

[charred thicket]

How to fix competitive TF2:

• Ban all unlocks, remove loadout menu
• Replace Syringe Gun with Crusader's Crossbow
• Add tenth class, Gunboats Soldier

https://tenor.com/view/clarkson-gif-19575277

[wintry marlin]

ban pyro

[cobalt spruce]

ban every class except scout soldier med

make 5v5

remove 5cp

easy dub

[wintry marlin]

buff sniper

[jagged pawn]

europeans will say this unironically and then wonder why no one takes their region seriously

[wintry marlin]

When god made me she was only joking

[high current]

Unironically I think there should be a sniper time allowance in 6s. I did a cast of AM-Main grand finals last night and it was the most boring game of process I’ve ever watched because there was 15 minutes of sniper and probably 10 minutes of sniper v sniper.

[next nymph]

how about you can offclass but you die after 2 minutes doing it

[stuck locust]

the game spawns a very slow homing crit rocket which gradually speeds up so you always have to be on your toes as sniper

[livid oracle]

don't push mid, take it immediately

[jagged pawn]

LMAO

[drifting sleet]

Raise the one demoman limit to two, but add a limit of one stickybomb launcher and one grenade launcher per team

[high current]

Spawns an immortal snail

[high current]

Demoknight sucks to play against so I’d hate it in 6s.
But I honestly think if you gave teams a choice between full Demoknight and spy in HL you’d see a majority demoknights

[next nymph]

only if scout limit of 1

[radiant merlin]

been playing clash royale a lot recently

maybe we could have round music in tc2?

[left sand]

its definitely something

[heavy solar]

@charred thicket has leveled up! (3 ➜ 4)

[charred thicket]

engineer config from a demented person

[clear yoke]

is there a difference between cl_interp 0.03; cl_interp_ratio 2 and cl_interp 0; cl_interp_ratio 2 ?

i see that mastercomfig uses the 1st one, while ive always used the 2nd one

[high current]

iirc interp_ratio takes priority over interp, so they’d effectively be the same. But I haven’t bothered with net settings since comfig released in 2018 or something so wait for someone to fact check me

[eternal haven]

Pretty sure it just uses whichever is set higher

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/blob/master/src/game/client/cdll_bounded_cvars.cpp#L134

Whatever value it ends up choosing will be rounded to the closest tick boundary anyways

[eternal haven]

So on normal 66 tick, these are the same yeah

On higher tickrates they could be different

[clear yoke]

ok i see

thanks

[left sand]

the difference is that servers can restrict interp ratio but can't restrict interp, so if a server is setting nonideal settings this is a way to bypass it

[eternal haven]

The only thing it would protect against is getting your interp set too low in cases where servers clamp your updaterate to something above 66, right?

like if they set both sv_minupdaterate and sv_maxupdaterate to values above 66

[left sand]

sv_client_max_interp_ratio

[eternal haven]

Ah

missed that

I guess not enough people in tf2 play high tickrate servers for that to matter?

like the tradeoff of servers forcing your interp too low vs. having 'normal' 1 tick or 2 tick interp window on high tickrate?

[left sand]

yes and also mastercomfig has a module for high tickrate servers

[eternal haven]

maybe a stupid question but do 133 tickrate servers or whatever send you 133 updates or is it still capped to 100 somewhere?

[left sand]

its capped to 100

i cant remember if its capped on client or server

but its in the engine

[jagged pawn]

https://www.tf2dle.com/

this is neat

[hoary geyser]

turns out I have no clue when any weapon besides the JI stuff was released lol

[radiant merlin]

zzz nobody gives a sht about unusuals

[high current]

I think this comment from Valve is extra funny because it's not even correct

[craggy ridge]

this is cool asf

[jagged pawn]

I don’t love the cosmetic/unusual games but I’ve been playing the other three daily since I found it lmao

[paper sluice]

||Maul was such as asspull from me I’m surprised it was it 😭||

Fuck yeah

Dude idk any fucking MANNPOWER maps

[jagged pawn]

WHY WAS THIS YOUR FIRST GUESS LMAO

I've been playing for 4 days and I've guessed the map first try on 3 of those days, am I autistic

[paper sluice]

Yes how.

😭

It took me like 16 tries for that last one I like never play mvm

[jagged pawn]

that was the one that took me 5

for some reason I was confusing part of the concrete for snow so I was trying to think of winter maps

but eventually it zoomed out enough and I realized

[paper sluice]

Wait there’s pics?

Bruh my shitass internet didn’t load it

🥹

[jagged pawn]

WHAT

YOU WHAT

LMFAOOOOOOO

yeah no wonder 😭

[eternal haven]

I recognized all the maps but couldnt remember the names of the new ones

[frosty crow]

HLMV is missing in the bin folder of TF2, does anyone know if it's normal or if it's maybe a quirk of the Linux build, or I don't know what else?

I need it to run TFMV Neo https://github.com/NeoDement/TFMV which is a fork of TFMV https://github.com/neodoso/TFMV but anyways both use it to render the models

[lone tinsel]

most of the tools are only for windows unfortunately

[radiant merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/67-6-7-6-7-6-7-meme-gif-10920175127833152373

[frosty crow]

Can't I download the executable of hlmv and drop it in there?

I'm not even sure how I could accomplish that however, I couldn't find it

[lone tinsel]

You can, but you'll have to run it through wine

open the steam console (go to steam://open/console in your browser), and type download_depot 440 232251 8833590201142741005, then copy those files into your main tf2 dir

you can also just force the game to use proton in properties, but i've had trouble switching back from that before so i wouldn't recommend it personally

honestly trying to do this on linux is going to lead to a lot of pain

[craggy ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98DJpEzcenY

this most likely already got posted somehwere

but in case it hasn't, have y'all seem this

[left sand]

yeah i think it makes a very emotional argument

essentially labelling anything technical as mere faceless efficiency

without actually explaining why that analogy about airports makes sense

i find it kinda weird tbh, it assumes that a software engineer is automatically heartless and has to be making some sort of efficiency argument that is tonedeaf

i think people still dont really understand the ultimate point of my post, which is that the community should be more specific instead of simply saying "quickplay" since valve will be making a decision ultimately on what they should do

[craggy ridge]

the critique in the video is not uh "immanent" enough
like he does not make an actual case as to why matchmaking can't be reworked

[left sand]

i think the argument generally from that side has been "whats the point of adding the best features of quickplay into casual, that would just make casual quickplay and then why not revert it"

which imo is just logically not sound

[craggy ridge]

team switching was removed due to the slot system, but why can't the slot system be reworked to account for it?
players leave when they're getting stomped and the match does not find an equilibrium, but is that itself not the result of a faulty MMR and lack of scramble?

and so on

i do think quickplay is (or rather, was) "superior" for its visibilization of community servers

but atp that's just a dream that is not meant to be

qp would not bring a great revival to them

[left sand]

the funny thing about that is that they try to have their cake and eat it too with that

simultaneously they will say quickplay was great for community servers and its superior to casual for that, but then you will point out that community server quickplay sucked and was poorly moderated for quality (ads, fake servers, custom servers), but then they will just say that wasnt an issue because valve made queuing into valve servers only the default

so which one is it, is it a tool that was actually usable for community servers or was it only good for queuing for valve servers

[mental scaffold]

they should still let people join server manually and allow team switching/scrambling and put map timers

i'm tired of matchmaking being """elo based""" and being forced to endure queue times or forced team composition

[left sand]

people: i want tf_mm_strict 0 and mp_timelimit 45 on valve servers
quickbros: erm thats just quickplay!! why not just completely gut the system and entirely revert it at that point?

[mental scaffold]

gutting the entire system sounds like a disaster

imagine it just breaks harder than how matchmaking is already broken

just elaborate the system to fit the players demands

[left sand]

im gonna post some reddit threads of people complaining about quickplay

https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/3jsa7w/i_keep_getting_this_or_appear_in_a_dubai_server/

https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1y3ox7/unable_to_enable_html_motds/

[mental scaffold]

youtubers were a mistake

talking about tf2 is like pseudo politics

and i hate that i can't unsee it

[mental scaffold]

lol

if this shit was said today some guy would have a meltdown about "THIS GUY IS JUST ACCEPTING THE GAME IS BROKEN"

[left sand]

https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/2g6pvq/play_now_option_needs_to_stop_taking_me_to_empty/

[left sand]

yup lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/klwyk/comment/c2ld4g2/

[mental scaffold]

and if this was said today, Some nerd would have said that this guy hates tf2

I've been active in this stupid community for so long I hate what it has done to me

[left sand]

https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/2x5bez/questiondiscussion_what_are_pub_servers_why_are/

https://www.reddit.com/r/NewToTF2/comments/2z6p27/what_are_valve_servers_and_how_can_i_avoid_them/

https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1ci4s0/how_long_does_it_take_you_to_connect_to_a_server/

https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/jozbd/can_anyone_explain_to_me_why_payload_is_so_popular

https://web.archive.org/web/20160506184855/http://tf2stats.net/map_list/

[mental scaffold]

Finally, a bullet against uncletopia players

[left sand]

also very shocking... the maps and gamemodes popular today were popular before casual too

[mental scaffold]

it's almost as if these gamemodes existed since circa 2008....

[left sand]

and its not some weird "people play on gamemodes that last a long time thing" like people like to completely baselessly claim

top maps in 2015:

2fort
turbine
harvest
payload

lol

[mental scaffold]

then : play a 45 minute long game of badwater and just chill out have fun
now : give me my fun, only my fun fuck everything else

[left sand]

also map variety drops off a cliff

[mental scaffold]

I literally used to queue for like
Viaduct, Upward, Badwater, Harvest, Steel

[left sand]

2fort has 1614 players

[mental scaffold]

(Because I was tired of playing unpopular maps only populated by unbalanced teams)

[left sand]

the #1 map

[mental scaffold]

Ts is sad

[left sand]

the number 10 map, pl_frontier

has 274 players

[mental scaffold]

how do maps like

like 5cp maps

not like process or sunshine, the less popular ones

how do they hold up

[mental scaffold]

badlands more popular than well...
i mean it makes sense but really 😭

this map should be equally as dead

[mental scaffold]

what is dm_duel like?

[left sand]

you can check it here i need to go back to sleep

[mental scaffold]

oh okay

have a pleasant rest

[wintry marlin]

This looks like withdrawal symptoms, atp chasing the dragon

[next nymph]

i mean badlands is better than well so

one of the classics

[mental scaffold]

It is but it's still not that great imo

[stone linden]

“quickplay was somewhat bad, so it incentivized people to use the server browser. casual was too easy to use and drove people away from the server browser and therefore it is bad for the game”

[heavy solar]

@stone linden has leveled up! (11 ➜ 12)

[mental scaffold]

Matchmaking did kill community servers and prevent people from joining valve servers manually
We can't completely undermine that

[left sand]

making valve servers default in quickplay and adding contracts which were a financial incentive to play on valve servers killed community servers

community servers were long dead before mym

and any that were left were gonna die anyways naturally in the next few months, so its hard to really attribute it to mym

in fact, one of the main problems was that valve quickplay servers directly competed in the same vanilla tf2 space as community servers

mym casual at launch became more competitive and thus would have allowed community servers to far better distinguish themselves as a space to hang out casually

the demand to make valve servers into the one thing community servers could provide killed them

[stone linden]

there’s an abundance of people who apparently discovered the server browser for the first time when they opened tf2 classified and then hailed it as amazing quickplay when it has nothing to do with quickplay 😭

[left sand]

after mym, they were gonna add a new community server tool that would have ushered in a renaissance

but because the community demanded that valve servers fulfill that role, not community servers

[stone linden]

if everyone was committed to using stock tf2 server browser maybe there would be more community servers idk, because apparently the audience is there on tf2c

[left sand]

it was abandoned and the server browser is just used still

[balmy root]

when the team is in the fortress the second

[balmy root]

average tf2 fps config player https://www.vxreddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1s6234g/is_this_considered_cheating/

[drowsy marlin]

Where's the config that hides the flamethrower particles

[balmy root]

fair point...

[drowsy marlin]

This stuff is for babies

[eternal haven]

it is cheating I think

at least if you put the lod bias high enough it makes the sniper scope invisible and stuff

[high current]

Ehhh. Depends on the player models in my opinion. If it improves contrast between player model and the background then I’d say yes it’s cheating.

But from the look of their pyro gloves and their hud player model, it looks like neutral colors would be nearly indistinguishable from the background and team colors would be mildly tinted black. So in my opinion it would probably be a disadvantage. Also I think flat textures are cool as hell.

[eternal haven]

yeah the player models are just gray

slightly reddish gray and slightly blueish gray

[balmy bronze]

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/April_1,_2026_Patch

New update

[eternal haven]

It is false

[radiant merlin]

does tf2 intentionally extend the round timer 1 second after the 0?

[eternal haven]

has anyone benchmarked zen 5 vs raptor lake vs arrow lake in tf2?

or like is one noticeably better than the other 2?

just curious + dont have the hardware to test myself

[glossy beacon]

Before I restart my game is this just a water quality module type of dealio

[stuck locust]

seems to be related to water quality and texture quality #1426644343825104979 message

[glossy beacon]

Trying to gauge how worth it is to turn this up considering how few maps have water

[stuck locust]

i mean if you're on dx9 then higher texture quality seems to have increased performance, probably due to a bug

if you're on dx8 then higher texture quality has decreased performance as expected

but if it's for looks then yeah up to you ofc

[stuck locust]

higher water quality still decreases performance

[glossy beacon]

I'm trying to push as far as I can visually while keeping the game running well enough

I mean water is so rare I guess it shouldn't be a problem

[stuck locust]

i think for the pixellation specifically it's mostly related to textures but you can experiment

[glossy beacon]

I'm on ultra textures the pixelation cleared up as soon as I did water ultra

so it's just the water settings which at least per mastercomfigs docs is high usage on both ends

😟

I guess I just have to hope I don't run into much water

[tough locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGxQ5peeXxU holy SEXY surprised nobody did this years ago tbh. Always figured that something like this could be possible with a custom mvm type menu

[lone tinsel]

Is there a database of timedemo results across different machines?

[lone tinsel]

nvm mastercoms is awesome as always

[eternal haven]

a lot of the numbers on there seem kinda low

I guess most people probably are running it with screen recording and overlays and background clutter and who knows what else

rather than going for max performance representative of the hardware

[left sand]

i found the brainrot

https://youtube.com/shorts/XVaIfiuOxwM

[mental scaffold]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1256649091887136922/1493174321114517565/MedalTVTeamFortress220260413105940343-1776070813.mp4?ex=69de0273&is=69dcb0f3&hm=c476bfaf1e7de3d148ff189d9fc6f57eb395a4a6ad342b38be291da500d90c22&

[orchid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/835467390309367818/1361372698881560657/caption.gif

[lone tinsel]

slightly faster demo seeking

[heavy solar]

@lone tinsel has leveled up! (13 ➜ 14)

[lone tinsel]

this is true

[radiant merlin]

mmm it isn't hlae right?

[lone tinsel]

no

i modded this into the sdk

[left sand]

👀

[radiant merlin]

very interesting

and it doesn't require engine changes right?

[lone tinsel]

it does

none of the changes are particularly complex though, and they only really touch the demo recording & playback code

5 functions total

it's still a bit buggy as well, but i don't think anything should be particularly hard to fix

the main issue was resetting client state, this would've been significantly easier if we had engine access

valve pls

[tacit flare]

https://klipy.com/gifs/tf2-29

[lone tinsel]

What if CS2 TrueView but for TF2

[orchid sorrel]

Mvm update goes crazy

[wintry marlin]

I got 2 paint drops in a row

I guess the game looks at my KD ratio and grants me these

what are the odds of this happening

[high current]

Apparently a 1% chance per paint drop, or 1/100 chance.
So 2 in a row would be 1/(100*100) or 1/10000 chance. So 0.01% chance to get a back-to-back paint drop, assuming the 1% drop rate is correct.

I think that’s how you would figure it out at least. Math isn’t my strongest subject.

You can usually expect to receive a max of 10 item drops per week (it’s possible to get more but the odds fall off sharply). So it’d take 1000 weeks or 19ish years to expect to receive a back-to-back paint drop.

[wintry marlin]

I believe I've had back to back hat drops in the past

but paint is probably the first

[drowsy marlin]

90% of gamblers quit before they hit it big

[paper sluice]

Unbox an unusual crate rn

[lone tinsel]

nobody would ever try to predict a nonlocal player

[next nymph]

0.01% is for the next two drops to be specifically a paint. If you're just looking for any two in a row, you might want to consider the chance of getting a paint in the next drop assuming the current drop is a paint, in other words a 1% chance

you can do more work to figure out "chance of two in a row out of x drops" but eh

[high current]

Yeh I assumed there’d be some error in my math. Probability gets weirdly complicated or just counter intuitive. I’ve never really taken a class that covered it in depth, it’s been mentioned here or there but I’ve mainly crossed paths with probability calculations for drop farms in Warframe and it tended to go over my head.
But it’s pretty rare would be the take away.

[eternal haven]

I don't think you had any error

[heavy solar]

@eternal haven has leveled up! (39 ➜ 40)

[eternal haven]

chance of two 1%s back to back is .01% like you put

[next nymph]

yeah im not saying its incorrect, im just saying to be clear about what specifically is being calculated because we could be looking for a few different meanings here

[high current]

Oh cool I guess I’m smart 🤓

I think there’s probably a better way to do the number of years prediction.
I just assumed your 10,000 item drop would be back-to-back paint. I think there are ways to calculate when you’d be more likely than not to get it, above a certain threshold, and nearly certain to get a back-to-back paint drop. But that stuff is for people smarter than me.

Also kind of an interesting coincidence that if someone played since release (assuming game had item drops on release, which it didn’t), then they’d be at that 19 year-ish zone right around now. Makes me wonder if b4nny has gotten back-to-back paint drops.

[wintry marlin]

in hindsight, this is just my gacha luck paying dividents

I had good pulls in the past

I suppose if I play MvM I'll also get an aussie pretty soon

[wintry marlin]

I forgot what are the conditions for getting bugged achievements in tf2

it has to do with the server something ending in 001

engineer has issues with patent protection, quick draw and get along!

I only need the first one bc I got the other two at some point

and according to some posts after 64 bit update there is an extra step

server number?

I suppose abusing bots is an option

[orchid sorrel]

like every lobby is just these bots

[mental scaffold]

uno bots in your tf2 server

[wintry marlin]

I grinded the annoying ones with bots and manipulated 2fort creatures for my nefarious goals

One more left, I only need to go and find a brass beast heavy and make him roleplay as my sentry

[balmy root]

@left sand take that! https://d.fxtwitter.com/i/status/2046271547543814330

[lone tinsel]

i wish tf2 had been ported to the csgo branch

it's sooooo much better

[left sand]

i wish tf2 had been ported to source2

[lone tinsel]

yeah

and then they would've released the tf2 sdk

but source 2

right?

[left sand]

deadlock

[lone tinsel]

deadlock sdk when....

[lone tinsel]

they almost had rewinding demos in csgo too 😭

all the pieces were there

they have streaming demos with keyframes

they were able to switch to old frames for hltv kill replays

they fixed the ordering of the stringtable update in the demo format

but they didn't finish it until source 2 :(

[left sand]

wtf

we need to port team comtress to source 2

[lone tinsel]

no

we need to port source 2 to team comtress

[drowsy marlin]

I wish TF2 was ported to Godot

[wintry marlin]

Godot is kinda buggy atm

And by kinda I mean very

[drowsy marlin]

Who isn't buggy?

[wintry marlin]

It needs another 8 years in the oven

But if you use it now you'll get a mostly functioning engine, for free

[drowsy marlin]

What's 8 more years for TF2? That will come in no time!

[wintry marlin]

True

For some people it's the last game they'll ever play

[lone tinsel]

why are my client-side demos all choppy

[eternal haven]

I think everyone's are

maybe there are settings in mastercomfig that exasperate it though idk

but yeah never seen a pov demo that looks smooth in the way an stv does

[lone tinsel]

what's the issue then

it doesn't seem like a problem with prediction since it happens even when there aren't any prediction errors

is it not interpolating the client position or something

[lone tinsel]

if i turn off the demo-specific interpolation it removes all smoothing

[eternal haven]

idk

but literally everything is stuttery

entity movement, animations, everything

[lone tinsel]

i'm not seeing any stutters for other players

it could be a prediction issue

[lone tinsel]

nvm i wasn't looking closely enough

[left sand]

mt is noticing

[high current]

Aren’t demos 32 tick rate? Or is that a CS thing?

[stuck locust]

no, demos can do 66

[drowsy marlin]

67

[high current]

69 tickrate coming in the source 2 port?

[eternal haven]

I still dont get why they picked a repeating number for it

like why ever do 66.6666666 at all why not 64

like csgo finally did

or 100 would be even better

[next nymph]

pretty sure they picked 15ms and didnt think about it further. Looks way better than 15.625ms

[high current]

I was thinking maybe it worked out better on their server hardware at the time. Or maybe they wanted 100 but it wasn’t feasible at the time so they did 2/3rds of 100.

Could also be funny number haha. Or 15ms interval like Jarate said

[radiant merlin]

what is this 😭

[eternal haven]

Wtf

[radiant merlin]

if valve doesn't add more warpaints for the dragon's fury in the next update IM GONNA... tweet my displeasure

[wintry marlin]

that's soldier's head gib facing down most likely

[high current]

That’s what hotdogs are made of

[drowsy marlin]

yo what warpaint is this? does anyone know it looks so good

[paper sluice]

gotta be like a mod i couldn't find it
unless its like a pattern case hardened thing but idk muchj about warpaints lol
https://p337.info/tfview/warpaint_item.php?skin=Earth%2C+Sky+and+Fire+Flame+Thrower

there this tho kinda close

yeah thats literally the only one it could be if there is such as thing as the floats or seeds shid

goodluck finding it on gamebanana if its a mod tho 😓

[drowsy marlin]

Thank you!

[paper sluice]

which one looks better

these too

[wintry marlin]

This uncletopia shit is easy

this is the end result

perfect KD ratio

[drowsy marlin]

The uncles have been contained... for now

[eternal haven]

How many uncles are there really

Surely there are not one thousand of those mfers

[eternal haven]

Why they dont call it 40 uncles then

[drowsy marlin]

it's 1000 in the lore

if they all attacked at once, we'd be doomed

[orchid sorrel]

someone in potato was testing a version of 1000 uncles but as 6 blues with upgrades

[lone tinsel]

https://github.com/MtObject/source-sdk-2013/tree/rewind

i would've released this like a week earlier but deadlock exists

[small siren]

*i would've released

this like a week earlier

but deadlock exists*

- mtobject

[lone tinsel]

also linux only because i'm lazy. it shouldn't be too hard to port to windows though

[stone light]

i think it would make more sense to create full frame baselines from the demo file itself while playing back (like csgo added in a 2020 update)

which also get saved to disk separately from the .dem file

[lone tinsel]

yeah that does make more sense

[radiant merlin]

i really hate this fake metallic glow thing

[paper sluice]

Isn’t that just cubemaps?

[radiant merlin]

iirc they aren't

[left sand]

envmap?

[radiant merlin]

yeah i think it's that

whatever it is, it just looks bad 99% of the time

[eternal haven]

90% of the warpaints look bad if we being real

shiny ones and non shiny too

but yeah the shiny ones do look really out of place

[wintry marlin]

I'm once again 1 achievement away from completing sniper lol, nobody uses base jumper in casual

[burnt dragon]

time to hit hightower

[steady relic]

This must be the worst item set Vale has ever made

[wintry marlin]

And yet it looks really good.

[drowsy marlin]

Brass beast is a good weapon though

Highest dps in the game

[steady relic]

You can't walk though, and you take double time to get ready to shoot

Also it has bad sinergy with the rest of the set that makes you more vulnerable to damage

[mental scaffold]

don't use that then

[steady relic]

True

I am just saying that an item set should actually be good when used together lol

[mental scaffold]

they're all pointless

[next nymph]

very few item sets have any real synergy

[wintry marlin]

Sydney sleeper set is goated

[next nymph]

most of them are just kinda unrelated weapons that happened to have a similar theme

[steady relic]

Fair, but I feel like this one has negative sinergy if that makes sense lol

[wintry marlin]

It has cognitive dissonance

[jagged pawn]

heavy, famously known for being good at walking while shooting

[jagged pawn]

the #1 fan always pissed me off because of how much negative synergy it has. like yeah man I’m already using the soda popper to get 6 jumps and the winger to make those jumps even taller but I really need the atomizer just to be sure

[jagged pawn]

I feel like there are plenty of item sets that actually work well together tho. like the shortstop and mad milk are a great combo even if the fish is a meme, and the degreaser + powerjack is like the default pyro loadout

[next nymph]

im too axtinguisher brained

[jagged pawn]

lol fair

had to dig for a bit to find this but I made an item set tier list a while back, no idea if I still stand by it but I feel like they skew largely positive

brass beast set is definitely abysmal dogshit tho fully agree there

[cursive peak]

Axtinguisher died when they took away the on-demand 195.

[jagged pawn]

eh, I think it’s largely fine rn

like it’s not the best pyro melee but that’s only because they gave pyro the Do Everything With No Downside melee, not exactly the fault of the ax

[summer steeple]

how do the crossbow & overdose sets actively hinder each other? they seem to be totally unrelated to me

[steady relic]

he is
he corner peeks

[jagged pawn]

why would you want to use a melee that AoE heals with the healing primary? the amputator would be a really good weapon if the crossbow didn't already exist and it gave you like, slightly more uber. but it has near-zero use case when you have the crossbow

overdose set probably belongs in unrelated or maybe even potential. I think my logic at the time was that overdose is supposed to give you enhanced mobility, but the quick fix already does that so it's pointless overlap. but in reality they're very different contexts, and the fact that you build uber so fast actually does help you get more use out of the overdose

[mental scaffold]

how the is the bonk set hindering ? you're still playing as scout

[tacit flare]

I would consider the L'Etranger an active synergy~~ for the YER. Using the YER without it is suffering.~~ Edit scratch that. The L'Etranger an active synergy for Spy in general.

https://youtu.be/LWxR5GooxQA

[orchid sorrel]

Didnt the v1 hibernating bear set only give heavy like +5% crit res lol

Meanwhile scout got +25 hp and spy got silent dead ringer

[next nymph]

only reason headshot immunity was okay on sniper was that requiring the sydney sleeper meant no headshots too

[drowsy marlin]

Old Darwins danger shield was so infuriating

But now it's just as infuriating but we don't care about pyro players

[tacit flare]

The evil rein of Dr Enforcicle has long passed, but the scars remain.

[radiant merlin]

heavybrine

[lone tinsel]

what is timedemo supposed to measure

[left sand]

honestly? i think its supposed to compare hardware

basically to find performance bands

[radiant merlin]

tf2 inventories may be loading fast now

[tacit flare]

Holy crap they are! Just tried loading my inven and it's all there ready to go.

[paper sluice]

But what about sdk inventories,,

[radiant merlin]

i meant steam tf2 inventories, not ingame

[lone tinsel]

you will wait 20 seconds every request and you will be happy

[small siren]

*you will wait 20

seconds every request and

you will be happy*

- mtobject

[summer steeple]

damn yeah its like instant

even searching

[languid citrus]

anyone playing the new Memes vs Machines campaign?

[radiant merlin]

i tried a mission but it honestly felt very meh, so i'll not complete the campaign

[languid citrus]

damn

[steady relic]

Does anyone know if there is any way to use transparent viewmodels that does not make the game blurry?
I tried the mastercomfig plugin, but it just disables anti aliasing and post processing

Apparently the more transparent the texture the more blurry it is

[high current]

You can make a texture which only covers the area that the viewmodel is. It’ll still make that area blurry but it’ll be less noticeable elsewhere.
Xhud has a low-blur right/left handed transparent viewmodel texture you could probably steal for yourself or test in game to see if it does what you want.

[lone tinsel]

game events - events decoded by the engine with a runtime schema, but not type-safe
user messages - game events but decoded by the client
entity messages - user messages but with a field recording an entity id
temporary entities - type-safe events using send tables, but unreliable and delayed by your interp by the engine

[left sand]

keep in mind that game events can refer to entities and timestamps that havent been simulated yet!

[lone tinsel]

if they weren't delayed and you were able to make them reliable, tempents would probably be the best system

too bad!

[left sand]

just add an rpc system for the love of god

[languid citrus]

okay after going through the drawn-out whatever mission that kept saying "YOUR [sic] TAKING TOO LONG", i can def see why you feel like that

[stone light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA2VtNZGNHM

https://i686.me/blog/badmdl/

[radiant merlin]

not reading allat (i'm reading it inmediately)

mmm why is there a variable to indicate the size a file is in the first place?

[radiant merlin]

very interesting and yeah very concerning, so would it be wise to launch with -noscripting regardless and just in case?

[left sand]

i feel like client scripting is just a holdover from mapbase which is used for singleplayer maps

id just launch with it

[left sand]

@knotty current glub?

[lone tinsel]

https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=271650

[radiant merlin]

wtf

[left sand]

the mvm update is here

the comp map changes are awesome though

[radiant merlin]

are they from valve?

or from the original dev?

[left sand]

its both by the same author

and their workshop map listings got changed

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=454115745

we dont have cp_process on the workshop afaik

[radiant merlin]

never liked this change from the updated process

it looks silly

but i guess it works

this should be mandatory for all maps

[steady relic]

We are back

[summer steeple]

process and metalworks updates were not on my bingo card

although i hardly ever play 5cp so it doesn’t really change much for me

[drowsy marlin]

We are approaching one year from the original announcement of the MvM update

valve time lol

[summer steeple]

i assume if anything it will be mixed in with an update like the summer update

[drowsy marlin]

im optimistic though

I love the saxton hale mode that one summer update

I bet this MvM will be fire

what'll be even more satisfying are the people making videos complaining that it's not enough or whatever lol

[summer steeple]

“valve RUINED Mann vs Machine mode!!!” 5 hour long video mostly complaining about cosmetics and the workshop, only briefly talking about mvm to bitch about a bugfix (or if we’re feeling really spicy, maybe valve will nerf the gas passer)

[drowsy marlin]

or complaining about some new bug or the servers being glitchy at first

[summer steeple]

mvm updates have never had widespread bugs and/or server issues

just don’t look at videos from two cities release

[tacit flare]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/pull/1824
They fixed ALL OF THEM?!!

[radiant merlin]

so i don't have to press b twice everytime i want to disguise as demo anymore?

[tacit flare]

Yup. They actually did it..

[high current]

Now this update is neato

[drowsy marlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/285210246576734208/1507554001867116694/image.png?ex=6a125293&is=6a110113&hm=34bc650d97ad8354cf85afcd75e1a723c579a03433924e2b38ead91a15aea0a5

TF2 is vibe coded???

[summer willow]

holy slop

[lone tinsel]

the mvm update will be ai generated

[next nymph]

https://www.pcgamer.com/software/ai/gabe-newell-says-ai-is-a-significant-technology-transition-on-a-par-with-the-emergence-of-computers-or-the-internet-and-will-be-a-cheat-code-for-people-who-want-to-take-advantage-of-it/

The slop comes from the top

[high current]

“…if you want to be an attorney, learn AI…”
As someone who has gone to court against someone who used AI to build their case, don’t do this.

[lone tinsel]

Fixed crash related to KeyValues
what is this fix

[paper sluice]

Calc is short for calculator btw

For those who don’t know

Bruh I look insane I thought my message was closer to the update page

[paper sluice]

Which PR is this

Oh wait nvm

Kinda 😴 but whatever

[left sand]

almost every lawyer is using AI nowadays

i think the human race is running out of patience or something

[balmy root]

@left sand do you know if there is a difference between using r_propsmaxdist 0 and r_propsmaxdist 1, like we manipulate cl_detaildist to be 1 and cl_detailfade to be 0 in order "to skip even more prop rendering stuff"?

I was thinking r_propsmaxdist maybe should be grouped with the details_props_LEVEL aliases

[steady relic]

Apparently if you switch from a class with a primary weapon to a DemoKnight you will still have the primary, but pretty much everything else is fixed

[wintry marlin]

Considering that the legal process takes years, I think they are just willing to do everything to make it faster

Regarding everything else, companies are incentivized to increase productivity

[steady relic]

The Karl Jobst method

[paper sluice]

Not patience but time we all have to keep working and working and working and working and working and working
Any time not spent working is a waste you could have spent it earning more money

And you’ll only have to work harder cuz you have to spend more and more and more

Only in a capitalist society and people incentivized to shortcut their lives

Or rather not incentivized but forced

[high current]

The lawyers are almost never the bottleneck in that process. It’s usually just each court date you’re assigned is at the earliest a month out, and if anyone involved on either side can’t show up then you have to ask the judge for an extension, at least a month out. So if each side has 2 witnesses for example, you have the 2+ lawyers, 2+ clients, 4+ witnesses, and the judge to schedule around and hope nothing changes (judges often have last minute duties) for each court date.
Also depending on the court case you might get court dates schedule 6 months in advance.
There’s also at least 2-3 rounds of successful court dates for the various stages of a trial.

If your lawyer ever says they’re using AI to speed things along, they’re scamming your ass and you should go somewhere else.

Criminal cases can move a little bit faster but then the police officer, judge, and DA are usually the bottlenecks.

My neighbor got assaulted and people kept having to reschedule then after 18 months of rescheduled court dates the case had been passed to the 3rd new DA at which point my neighbor just dropped the charges since there’s almost no way a DA that far out of the loop could land those charges.

[paper sluice]

TRUE there’s so much missed revenue here

[left sand]

Most of law is writing boilerplate and following procedure in specific jurisdictions. Most of the busywork is done by paralegals that don't have much qualifications. Lawyers are experienced in case law, and the specific jurisdictions' law and are expected to provide guidance and corrections, as well as coming to court, mediation, etc for arguments and settlement advocacy. All of this boilerplate takes a tremendous amount of time, especially when it requires searching through thousands or millions of pages of discovery.

The majority of firms have integrated AI into their operations. If your lawyer ever says they are not using AI, they are most likely lying.

Don't believe me? It's literally plastered on every legal case management software, and also almost every law group, including THE BAR, is advertising AI use.

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/resources/on-demand/ai-essentials-lawyers-what-you-need-know-protect-your-clients/

https://www.clio.com/

https://www.filevine.com/

https://www.mycase.com/products/legal-ai-software/

https://www.thomsonreuters.com/en/artificial-intelligence

https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/more-than-half-of-legal-professionals-expect-ai-to-drive-more-work-to-alsps-new-report-says

[drowsy marlin]

what does this mean

[cursive peak]

Time to boycott lawyers.

[drowsy marlin]

whats the point of humanity when AI exists

what's the end goal

[next nymph]

tbf, we should know from software that tools and orgs advertising their AI capabilities != people actually using them

Things might've changed, but the last time i talked to the lawyers I know about it it was "I know some people in the office using it but its far from most"

[orchid sorrel]

code cleanup by claude

[left sand]

it has changed a lot

[paper sluice]

Checks out

[floral sandal]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-1-games/issues/8021

In b4 Delfy

[drowsy marlin]

before I open a help thread, anyone else is getting this strange issue that fast weapon switch turns off when you tab out of the game?

[floral sandal]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/pull/1929

[paper sluice]

But was code hygiene ensured by Claude?

[high current]

Don’t give me any unhygienic code

[slender nexus]

claude always leaves the restroom without washing its hands

[floral sandal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whwSbRgAcfQ

[drowsy marlin]

Claude screwed up, not Valve

[orchid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1390011139492024451/1507719057061707886/rendered.gif

[fickle dragon]

Since the TF2BD server is pretty much dead, I may as well ask here - has anyone here managed to run surepy's build of TF2BD on Linux?

[radiant merlin]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/7906

I wish i knew what causes this. After checking all the code i couldn't find anything related, so either it is a problem with windows or sdl2

[radiant merlin]

i think i could download an old version of tf2 to check if it happens in it too?

[radiant merlin]

valve has to be fucking kidding me

it's because of this stupid line that does not show up in steam input

[small siren]

*it's because of this

stupid line that does not show

up in steam input*

- ashewiki_tf

[radiant merlin]

that enables this thing that cannot be disabled with my controller

omfg

and now steam crashes wtf

[radiant merlin]

Alright, does anyone here happen to have a steam controller 1? I need a file

Maybe a steam deck will work too

[paper sluice]

What file?

I only have a steam deck but yeah

[cursive peak]

I have an OG Steam Controller.

[radiant merlin]

Just open steam input and use the default config, then go to steamapps/common/Steam Controller configs/your id i think keep opening/440 and there you should find it

[cursive peak]

I'll have to do it later when I'm on my desktop.

[cursive peak]

Can't seem to find a 440 folder, just a config folder within the ID folder.

[radiant merlin]

mmm then export the layout

and it should be here

[cursive peak]

That's all that came out.

[radiant merlin]

yeah it's what i'm looking for

thanks

[steady relic]

Did it work?

[radiant merlin]

i mean no, i don't have a steam controller, it's just that valve accidentally place trigger inputs in the switches section

and only for the menu, the other sets don't have that

[left sand]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965695269029175316/1510208142254805022/Canon_Engie.mov?ex=6a1bfa6f&is=6a1aa8ef&hm=b8d13fbe78d02a9e9b97ecce4e33696cc45d6ed292c20b967c7d85fe21421cee&

[radiant merlin]

question: just like class.cfg, does spectator.cfg exists?

[summer steeple]

doesn't look like it, although civilian.cfg might work lol

not for spectator, just in general if you managed to select him

[radiant merlin]

nope doesn't work

unrelated

[languid citrus]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3736088908
haven't played MvM Pyro in a while (no gas btw) but i'm lucky this team was decent

[heavy solar]

@languid citrus has earned the Level 1 noob role!

[paper sluice]

https://youtu.be/T0DFUu0feDY

[drowsy marlin]

that's a big reach in this one

[lean cove]

tldw?

[lone tinsel]

https://store.steampowered.com/events/ajaxgetpartnereventspageable/?clan_accountid=0&appid=440&offset=0&count=100 look for valve_access_log

[heavy solar]

@lone tinsel has leveled up! (14 ➜ 15)

[lean cove]

so it says nothing about code access at all

[summer willow]

its 3 minutes 😭

[lean cove]

it's also shounic

dont like that fellow

[lone tinsel]

yep

[wintry marlin]

shounic streams are good for sleeping to

unless he's getting ragebaited

[broken haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0DFUu0feDY&pp=0gcJCTgLAYcqIYzv

oh its already posted

[left sand]

https://fxtwitter.com/4G_b4nny/status/2063445087007191251

Grant 'b4nny' Vincent (@4G_b4nny)

No plans to play the current season atm. I'd rather play, truly, but the Invite division is suffering from structural/cultural issues that are poisonous to keeping a team alive and I'm just not too keen to trudge through it all right now. I do hope things recover somehow. GLHF

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FxTwitter · Jun 7, 2026, 2:17 AM

[leaden dune]

I'm pretty sure this is the first time since 2014 there is no b4nny/Froyotech in the top division in NA

[jagged pawn]

dude FINALLY

been waiting for him to stand up to rgl

[paper sluice]

Idk the lore what’s up with comp and rgl

[tacit flare]

https://vxtwitter.com/Sathenus/status/2063495424401461666

Sathenus (@Sathenus)

↪️ Replying to @4G_b4nny

@4G_b4nny Found out what Habib did :)

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 7, 2026, 5:37 AM

[jagged pawn]

so it's a lot of things but the big thing is that they're desperately trying to retain players and so they're making drastic decisions in the process that just upset everyone

so they're shortening the season because they think casuals want that. they're including more and more maps that have been unpopular in the past for the sake of variety because they think it'll bring people in. and all the while they're making more of the league paid because they need to scrape the money they're losing back

to my knowledge there are now only two free divs and one of them is explicitly for people who have never played comp

so if you've played before you have to either play in amateur or give them money. which means am is now full of stompers from higher divs and it's entirely unfun

[wintry marlin]

Shot themselves in the foot with that one. The unprofessional conduct is definitely not helping.

[jagged pawn]

last season they very infamously removed product and snakewater from the map pool which is one of the most laughable ideas I've ever seen from any comp league

[wintry marlin]

Sacrilegious

[jagged pawn]

nvm I'm wrong amateur is also paid now LOL

it's a fully paid league unless it's your first season

there is no free way to play competitive tf2 in north america

very cool

meanwhile invite costs $360 to enter, even more with subs

[high current]

In fairness TLs rarely pay the entire team fee. I think I've only played on one team where the TL did that out of something like 20 seasons of 6s.
Invite could be different but I do agree that charging everyone is BS.

IMO it should be free to play all divs and you should only be eligible for a medal if you pay a league fee.
Valve might not like that though, since it is a little "pay for medal" sounding which they might not like.

Also the schedule is just kinda cursed. Like matches starting at 10:30pm is kinda brutal. I get it's so people have time to drive home and play a pregame if they're on the west coast and stuck in LA traffic. But playing matches till midnight is just a big ask from an aging play base that is mostly guys in their 20s-30s with full time jobs.
Schedule and sandbaggers are the two most common reason I see people leave RGL in the AM / IM level

[jagged pawn]

oh yeah that too the default schedule is so abysmal

[stone linden]

what’s the reason again for no weekend matches?

i had the impression that phasing out snake was reasonable due to last issues but i dont play comp so idk

some folks i know had like, 1.5 hour long snake matches

[high current]

Highlander plays on weekends.

I think at the last RGL lan there was something like a 2 or 3 hour snakewater game. It was just failed last pushes. Idk how many round resets there were, but probably at least 10

TBH snakewater plays fine. I just think there needs to be some kind of incentive to not just round reset. I've thought in the past of some kind of system where after where round resetting will give the offensive team an advantage. My proposal originally was moving their spawn to forwards, or starting them with a 1 cap advantage, so the mid fight would instead be something like a second fight. If you make round resets less powerful then snakewater is definitely an A tier map in the pool.

Last stalemates are kind of lame on every map, just snake water's is particularly defendable, but the problem is the strategy itself IMO. No one has ever thought "wow that was a really cool round reset."

[stone linden]

booo switch it :p

[stone linden]

yes i have also put a decent bit of thought into the small but significant fundamental pathological issues with 5cp. for me, i was thinking about changing spawn waves or something. but the risk of an overly strong boon for attackers is also that maybe you incentivize attackers to hold second for a reset until you grind the reset boons

[high current]

Snakewater second is also kinda lame IMO. It's just like 5% too big. 2/3 soldier sacs require c taps and are still super floaty and avoidable. The 3rd soldier sac is the pogo through window which is easily messed up and only if the medic is playing in a dangerous spot.
Sunshine second is similarly open but flank is more accessible and medic rotations are slower so you can get more creative with it.

[stone linden]

for example giving teams like a 1-2 second shorter spawn wave. another idea that someone floated was giving a team a 1 second earlier rollout advantage to mid

i have not been able to come up with a coherent idea for “fixing” 5cp but i’m interested in other people’s (and your) further thoughts

[high current]

I think it also has to do with the fact that 6s has always had 2 matches a week in higher divs, where as HL always has 1 match a week. So I guess you could have back to back match days, but I think that'd also get push back. I'm not opposed to weekend matches for 6s, just playing devil's advocate.

[stone linden]

ideally i feel like east west divs would be good but there’s not enough people for that. ping diff really sucks. big words from me as someone who doesn’t play LOL

and then like maybe a cross east west playoff or whatever idk

likely never going to happen

10:30 match time on weekday is genuinely a horrible idea as an outsider

[high current]

Yeh it's tricky to try to solve the issue. I think things should be play tested but I think the league is listening to jaded invite players instead of solving actual problems. Even their feedback questionaires at the end of the season are just like "how do you like this map?" They don't get deep enough to really solve issues.

[stone linden]

i know folks who were playing out of sheer love for the game who were running their overtime matches to midnight and getting up for work at 5 or 6 am

[high current]

Honestly the ping from east and west coast isnt a major issue. Most comp servers are dalas, kansas, or chicago, so its like 30 ping to east coast, 50 to west coast. For some reason RGL gets a lot of brazilian players on 200+ ping too? There used to be a rule on ping but I think its not enforced or was literally made because of one blatantly lagswitching player and then removed afterwards

[stone linden]

i know invite players were talking about 5cp issues over ten years ago and it was never solved. i guess stuff like progressive overtime helped to a small degree

[stone linden]

i guess, personally i’m on west coast and i get 70 ping to chicago and i don’t like that

above 50 is vaguely unplayable as projectile

like maybe 60 is the max i will tolerate for serious play and idk

[high current]

I was playing matches till like 1am and waking up at 4am for work a couple years ago.
I told my dad about winning AM grand finals when he was in the ICU. I was pretty committed to the game but honestly I'm just tired from playing and the league is just decrepit now.

[stone linden]

damn that’s difficult

[next nymph]

i think last pushes should be incentivized by randomly killing a player every minute if they're too close to a point they control

[high current]

Honestly I'd be more in favor of trying that than swapping out quality maps for ones of acknowledged lower quality maps for the sake of "keeping things fresh"

[stone linden]

banning resup binds is another thing that would really change last holding in some way but that requires a pro mod or something

[high current]

Honestly just enable random crits when a team is on last.

[stone linden]

resup binds are actually low key so bad for the game apart from the nice ability to forward and back spawn at will

[high current]

Honestly ban resup binds but give crit heals when touching a resupply cabinet.

[stone linden]

yeah the comtress approach is sensible imo

[high current]

Oh is that the comtress approach?

[stone linden]

i think it’s a little more complicated, like adding a new respawn key to forward and back spawn only if you didn’t leave spawn yet etc

but generally yes

[next nymph]

I understand the hesitation against promods but something like this I think is pretty reasonable. I trust very few people with changing individual weapon balance but something like this should honestly be a server config thing

[stone linden]

it also is kind of cringe that it’s tied to how quickly the item server responds

[high current]

sv_allow_respawn_on_loadout_change

[stone linden]

it’s just a finicky fragile system that doesn’t belong

[stone linden]

is that actually lol

nice

[high current]

no i was making that up lmao

[stone linden]

aw

i was gonna say that isn’t enough bc a class change bind works in anything other than engi and med

and demo i guess for traps

[cursive peak]

Doesn't RGL already have a SourceMod plugin that fixes a few bugs or whatever? Could roll blocking resupply binds into that.

[stone linden]

the problem is like a) the class change bind problem, b) it’s super annoying to not have a way to reset crit heals and forward or back spawn

i’m sure a lot of people would hate it too regardless just bc they like the warm embrace of the resup binds idk

[cursive peak]

Just saying it wouldn't necessarily have to be a full on promod beyond what they're already doing.

[high current]

Yeh they do. Stuff like ramp slide inconsistency and what not. If they just added a 5 second delay to resupply binds I think it'd be fine. Maybe it'd be faster than a resup cabinet on some maps but probably not, and probably gives item server time to be consistent

[stone linden]

i would say no resup bind at all, only change class in front of cabinets, and like make sure there are cabinets within reasonable range from the door. sometimes it’s the map’s fault

you can just add more cabinets to the map

[next nymph]

tbh I think a lot of the stalemate issues, at least to the extent that they are now, come down to mechanics that are nice and fun in isolation but favour defenders just a little bit more. Like the crossbow

[high current]

give crossbow 3 arrows total per life, not resupplyable.

[stone linden]

the crossbow also allows you to push faster into last before they fully set up so that’s complicated i think

[next nymph]

my issue with crossbow is it means defenders don't need to rotate out as much or for as long. And that's what makes stalemates such a constant issue

[stone linden]

lack of resup binds funnily enough also makes pushing out slower

although that’s less of a problem than sustain against a push probably

[left sand]

people REALLY hated the resup change in comtress in the oz cup