hitboxes lagging behind models | mastercomfig | Page 1

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 9:43 AM

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i've had this problem for ages. not sure the cause

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default comfig net settings with bandwidth=8.0Mbps

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cl_interp 0.030303

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 9:44 AM

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Where and how how are you noticing this?

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 9:44 AM

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i main sniper

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 9:44 AM

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go on

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 9:44 AM

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i can tell

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i have a clip somewhere

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 9:44 AM

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1 clip? cool

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 9:45 AM

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you want me to upload my past 2 weeks of sniper gameplay

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it is constant, I just have a clip showing it off well

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 9:46 AM

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k, I'll take a look then if that's cool

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Sorry about the piss taking btw

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 9:49 AM

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damn this server really doesnt have 7 boosts

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https://streamable.com/0330j6

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frame by frame i am never even close to that sollys head

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 9:54 AM

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Eh. idk

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Blame networking quirks and luck I guess

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 9:58 AM

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first shadowplay i look at has 2 shots I think should be headshots https://streamable.com/5hm5ee

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2nd especially so

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 10:00 AM

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glacial helm first shadowplay i look at has 2 shots I think should be headshots https://strea...

I'm on phone, so best I could do was watch at 0.25x but,
It looked like you missed the pyro entirely, and I'd guess you hit the soldier's arm

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Also, footage with net_graph 4 would be better so we can see network/server performance

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 10:09 AM

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what cvar does bandwidth module change

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8.0 setting seems to be removed at some point

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like what the fuck is this

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how can i confirm all my cvars are set correctly

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 10:27 AM

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glacial helm how can i confirm all my cvars are set correctly

bandwidth is the only one you might want to change, and 6.0 is the highest currently

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Other that that mastercomfig's defaults are already optimal

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 10:28 AM

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glacial helm frame by frame i am never even close to that sollys head

the're 66 frames in tf2 btw

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 10:28 AM

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spiral hull the're 66 frames in tf2 btw

???

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What's the point there?

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 10:29 AM

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jovial monolith ???

it was brought up in fatmagic cheating allegations

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 10:29 AM

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mouse input is polled at framerate, right?

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 10:29 AM

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ok? That doesn't apply here

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 10:30 AM

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the point is, 60 has less frames to show than 66

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 10:30 AM

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spiral hull the point is, 60 has less frames to show than 66

Watch the video. The 6 frame difference doesn't matter

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 10:31 AM

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can't watch it frame by frame

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But I guess he hit his back

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jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 10:32 AM

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Oh you're referring to this video

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 10:34 AM

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this one is tricky

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 10:35 AM

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earliest damage number. 30ms ping means its like 1-2 frames earlier

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which looks like this

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 10:35 AM

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I was looking at the decal

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 10:35 AM

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so you think the damage number appeared before I shot.

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 10:36 AM

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why are you assuming that?

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 10:36 AM

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because youre using the decal as an indication of when I shot

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 10:36 AM

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glacial helm earliest damage number. 30ms ping means its like 1-2 frames earlier

Where are you getting 30ms from?

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 10:36 AM

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net graph

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 10:37 AM

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That's wrong

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 10:37 AM

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ok

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 10:37 AM

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Sonewhat at least

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 10:37 AM

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15 then

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still 1 frame probably

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frame before the number

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 10:39 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5h2oOSe4tE

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EwaW2iz4iA

Music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llOvd2yGEio
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jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 10:39 AM

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Anyway, networking isn't perfect and we don't have net_graph 4 to aid us. So I say dw about it.

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 10:40 AM

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here what I was refering to, 66 frames

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 10:40 AM

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Yeah I know what you're talking about

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 10:40 AM

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timestamp

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 10:40 AM

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It just doesn't really apply when there's such little movement

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 10:40 AM

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im guessing the context is a flick that occurs between frames or something

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 10:40 AM

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we can't assume, we see the shot frame

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 10:41 AM

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glacial helm im guessing the context is a flick that occurs between frames or something

yes

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 10:41 AM

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more like lead

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 10:41 AM

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well in my vid there is no flick. my crosshair is never even on the model

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 10:41 AM

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In the first clip it's irrelevant because your crosshair was trailing the entire time

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yeah exactly

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 10:43 AM

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Any way of you recording the 66frame clips

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 10:44 AM

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I seem to remember hearing Medal being able to record at 100, but idk

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 10:44 AM

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I have no experience with obs

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medal?

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 10:45 AM

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does tr_walkway still "push" the bots while theyre in the air - launched from the launchpad thing

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 10:45 AM

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I would need some recording software too btw

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 10:45 AM

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I need a control so I can test without waiting for the right opportunity in pubs

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 10:46 AM

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glacial helm I need a control so I can test without waiting for the right opportunity in pubs

use valve bots on a private server?

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 10:47 AM

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I need a map with a nav_mesh making the bots walk in a straight line

solemn gyroBOT Dec 22, 2022, 10:47 AM

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*I need a map with

a nav_mesh making the bots

walk in a straight line*

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 10:48 AM

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glacial helm I need a map with a nav_mesh making the bots walk in a straight line

nav_generate

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 10:49 AM

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maybe its just tr_walkway but the solly hitbox is fucked here

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way lower

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 10:50 AM

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glacial helm maybe its just tr_walkway but the solly hitbox is fucked here

over exaggerated, more like half the head

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it's not real show hitboxes command

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 10:51 AM

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whats the command

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 10:51 AM

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it's was removed

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but asside from trwalkway, it's the same as the model, but at 66frames

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and every thing that messes with it, is network

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like jitter and ping

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 10:56 AM

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very first frame it appears

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can i just set cl_cmdrate to 60 or something since im recording at 60fps

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 10:58 AM

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I don't think any tests with bots are gonna be helpful

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 10:59 AM

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i did give myself fake lag

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 10:59 AM

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Also, testing on a listen server isn't gonna help either

solemn gyroBOT Dec 22, 2022, 10:59 AM

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*Also, testing on

a listen server isn't

gonna help either*

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 11:03 AM

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glacial helm i've had this problem for ages. not sure the cause

Anyway, they are not

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 11:04 AM

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u r blind

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 11:05 AM

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it's still are not the command for the hitboxes and it's trwalkway

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 11:05 AM

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im not talking about that

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the first clip

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its not a one-off i just dont record it most of the time

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 11:06 AM

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How many hours you got on sniper? Cause most people are used to shots missing every now and then for no apparent reason. Happens in all games.

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 11:06 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/@shounic

YouTube

shounic

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 11:07 AM

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jovial monolith How many hours you got on sniper? Cause most people are used to shots missing ev...

2k hours

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this didnt used to happen

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 11:07 AM

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Maybe your internet's actin up

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 11:07 AM

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I think, people just can't react to the shot hitting

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and see it after 250ms

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 11:08 AM

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Actually, what servers are you playing on?

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 11:08 AM

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the swift clip is casual or uncletopia

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 11:08 AM

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Bruh

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Uncletopia servers are actually garbage

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If you can get footage with net_graph 4 that'd be helpful. Cause that shows server fps

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 11:10 AM

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jovial monolith Uncletopia servers are actually garbage

they're same

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in terms of ticks

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 11:11 AM

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No, Casual servers in Australia are way better than our Uncletopia ones

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oh yeah in terms of ticks. But not fps

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 11:12 AM

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jovial monolith oh yeah in terms of ticks. But not fps

wdym

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 11:13 AM

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Servers have a framerate

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Like they're never always at 66.666

spiral hull Dec 22, 2022, 11:13 AM

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I think ticks = framerate

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 11:13 AM

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tickrate is what it TRIES to run at

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I mean I guess you can see them as interchangeable. But I'm referring to the rate the server is actually running at at a given time

glacial helm Dec 22, 2022, 11:26 AM

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how can I overwrite the net settings

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game_overrides doesnt even work

jovial monolith Dec 22, 2022, 1:06 PM

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tf/cfg/overrides/game_overrides.cfg should work. But what settings would you be overriding?

glacial helm Dec 23, 2022, 3:20 AM

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someone tell mastercoms to making breaking changes constantly

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its so annoying

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is cfg/user even still a thing

jovial monolith Dec 23, 2022, 3:31 AM

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no

jovial monolith Dec 23, 2022, 3:31 AM

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glacial helm is cfg/user even still a thing

Renamed to overrides

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Because cfg/user/ can be confused with cfg/user.scr

glacial helm Dec 23, 2022, 3:33 AM

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well thousands of people are probably confused when they update and none of their configs work anymore 🤷‍♂️

jovial monolith Dec 23, 2022, 3:33 AM

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Yeah, and then we teach them

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Better than explaining that user/ and user are different things

glacial helm Dec 23, 2022, 3:35 AM

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why would anyone even look at user.scr

jovial monolith Dec 23, 2022, 3:35 AM

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Because it's also called user

cedar patio Dec 23, 2022, 3:44 PM

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The change was noted in the release notes, too.

ashen marlin Dec 23, 2022, 5:39 PM

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the reason that the change was made is because it was happening, pretty often too

glacial helm Jan 2, 2023, 3:42 AM

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@jovial monolith I switched from 5ghz to ethernet and I think its just fixed

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which makes me mad bc 5ghz should be good

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$300 router

jovial monolith Jan 2, 2023, 3:43 AM

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glacial helm which makes me mad bc 5ghz should be good

Were you in the same room as the router?

glacial helm Jan 2, 2023, 3:43 AM

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no

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a couple walls but still good connection according to windows

ashen marlin Jan 2, 2023, 3:44 AM

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5ghz connections have a harder time going through walls than 2.4ghz

jovial monolith Jan 2, 2023, 3:44 AM

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WiFi is really only stable if there's 0 walls in-between

ashen marlin Jan 2, 2023, 3:45 AM

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5ghz is faster but because of wavelength shit it just doesn't go through walls as well

glacial helm Jan 2, 2023, 3:49 AM

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last time i tried 2.4 there was so much packet loss

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really noticeable

jovial monolith Jan 2, 2023, 3:59 AM

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And that's why you don't use WiFi

tired jolt Jan 2, 2023, 10:08 AM

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breaking changes that were announced several times and soft deprecated for almost a year xd

jovial monolith Jan 2, 2023, 10:15 AM

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tired jolt breaking changes that were announced several times and soft deprecated for almos...

You should add a blurb on the front page that says something like "Returning to mastercomfig? Have a read of our recent changes to get caught up" and link it to a quick fixes section or something

tired jolt Jan 2, 2023, 10:25 AM

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the website itself will track that stuff eventually

jovial monolith Jan 2, 2023, 10:34 AM

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👀

glacial helm Jan 3, 2023, 1:18 AM

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most people are not actively reading the changelog IMO

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most people probably never even update after theyve got it

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I update like once every year or two which is why this happens

solemn gyroBOT Jan 3, 2023, 1:19 AM

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*I update like once

every year or two which

is why this happens*

tired jolt Jan 3, 2023, 6:19 AM

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according to analytics

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most people update every release

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like 90%

jovial monolith Jan 3, 2023, 6:43 AM

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tired jolt most people update every release

Same goes for comanglias trollfig

glacial helm Jan 6, 2023, 8:36 AM

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🧢

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what modules can I change to get better hitreg on wifi

spiral hull Jan 6, 2023, 10:53 AM

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the one no one uses

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snapshot_buffer=safe: Safest option with minimal snapshot delay by using every other snapshot (30ms lerp when using packet_rate=standard, or 60ms lerp when using packet_rate=congestion).
snapshot_buffer=high: Heavily protects against packet loss by using every 3rd snapshot (45ms lerp when using packet_rate=standard, or 90ms lerp when using packet_rate=congestion).

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it would not make the game better

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But idk, maybe you wouldn't notice the delay with it on (my wishful thinking)

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And maybe it would give "better" hitreg

glacial helm Jan 8, 2023, 7:36 AM

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i dont notice any improvement with higher lerp

modern wrenBOT Jan 8, 2023, 7:36 AM

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@glacial helm has leveled up! (5 ➜ 6)

glacial helm Jan 8, 2023, 7:37 AM

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im just gonna pay $200 to get ethernet wired to my room so i dont have to deal with this anymore

glacial helm Jan 8, 2023, 7:57 AM

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ive been recording any misregs and recording them in this doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lA15M6Qwo9EGzlvRO8nXEAjhWLmJLcY7LcSajv-dQEo/edit?usp=sharing

Google Docs

tf2 hitreg

Each screenshot is the first frame of black crosshair Black crosshair = mouse1 is held. Otherwise it's green. Caption below image is what the game decided the result was miss miss headshot miss Miss headshot headshot headshot bodyshot bodyshot bodyshot bodyshot Bodyshot ...

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idk what the purpose is Im just sick of people telling me this problem isnt real

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last 11 images are all from the same borneo casual game using 45ms lerp

ashen marlin Jan 8, 2023, 9:02 AM

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just to make sure, what is cl_lagcompensation set to?

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because this def isn't normal, i've only seen stuff like this with 0 lerp, which i assume you've already confirmed (via net_graph) that you don't have

spiral hull Jan 8, 2023, 10:56 AM

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glacial helm idk what the purpose is Im just sick of people telling me this problem isnt real

Yes, but did you record it in a video or it's a screen shot?

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Because main problem you experience is tickrate being too low

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or inconsistent

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hitboxes are janky with the jitter

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and interp should have added more fluidity

jovial monolith Jan 8, 2023, 10:59 AM

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spiral hull and interp should have added more fluidity

tf does this mean?

spiral hull Jan 8, 2023, 11:00 AM

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but the problem is elsewhere

spiral hull Jan 8, 2023, 11:00 AM

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jovial monolith tf does this mean?

to hit detection

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or not

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model animations

jovial monolith Jan 8, 2023, 11:01 AM

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glacial helm ive been recording any misregs and recording them in this doc https://docs.googl...

Just fyi, you should be screenshotting the tick following the shot. Not the exact frame.

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You can see when that is by watching the netgraph

spiral hull Jan 8, 2023, 11:02 AM

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maybe make the frame = tick?

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or 2*frame = tick

jovial monolith Jan 8, 2023, 11:03 AM

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lol no

glacial helm Jan 8, 2023, 11:03 AM

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jovial monolith Just fyi, you should be screenshotting the tick following the shot. Not the exac...

why? input is not taken on the first frame?

jovial monolith Jan 8, 2023, 11:03 AM

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glacial helm why? input is not taken on the first frame?

It's taken the next available networking tick

glacial helm Jan 8, 2023, 11:04 AM

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hm

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but im recording 60fps

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so its not the first frame of input

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usually

jovial monolith Jan 8, 2023, 11:04 AM

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You might want to provide the following frame then for context then

glacial helm Jan 8, 2023, 11:05 AM

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ok

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shouldnt the hit detection be running at my client fps

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its not like my mouse input is being polled at 66fps

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even if the netcode is doing stuff at that rate

spiral hull Jan 8, 2023, 11:06 AM

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it's not the problem

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you've tried high interp

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But server can't just add in between frames

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so it has to use one of 66

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interp just adds the delay

#hitboxes lagging behind models