State Of Chess Q&A

[tall dune]

drop your spicy questions in the thread below for Danny and the Product, Courses, and Fair Play teams! 🌶️ @here

[simple basalt]

Ok

[tight verge]

w

[dusk pelican]

what are the expecting collabs?

[jagged cairn]

As a beginner, how do you get better at chess?

[tight verge]

how many cheaters are there at the 2200 level?

[tall dune]

@jagged cairn yous should look into the improvers group and the resources there lol 🙂 im not danny but

lol

[jagged cairn]

ty

[dusk pelican]

mouse slipping problems (definetly not skill issue)

[raw mango]

do u play chess

[tight verge]

Danny would you be open to play a game, im completely self taught and would love to test my skills against a tried and true player

[hybrid lantern]

Why can't the chesscom bots at bullet time control not go as quickly as possible but take 4-10 seconds for each move ?

[void panther]

How to get good at middlegames

[simple basalt]

How will fairplay be improved?

[grand knot]

thoughts on the bishop incident?

[tight verge]

have you ever cheated on chesscom?

[trim field]

🙂

[queen anchor]

for Danny - advice for GothamChess to get GM title

[tall dune]

no promises it will get featured tho it's not my choice

im just the gatherer

[hybrid lantern]

I dont think Danny is going to answer this but anyway,
How much money did yall burn while starting chesscom?

[earnest talon]

I do

[tall dune]

we're welcoming all questions, especially controversial ones danny is always super into answering the hard questions did you not see the state of chess during the hans controversy?

[hybrid lantern]

lol but private companies dont like to talk about there financials

[normal osprey]

Will we have a 4pc community tournament?

[tight verge]

for Danny - least favorite opening to play against

[lofty violet]

What key factors should you focus on when analyzing a chess game?

[brazen stump]

I've faced many cheaters who have been banned during unrated games and daily games recently, and some others with suspicious stats that align with the banned users'. I was wondering how chess.com can improve catching these cheaters if the games they play don't affect their ratings or if the time control is slow enough to make it seem believable?

[sharp shadow]

Plz give advice to get to NM i am 1837 USCF 1665 FIDE

[elder jetty]

to danny: what is your opinion on lichess.org

[tepid mirage]

For Danny- how do we can teach kids chess to get better on it and not confusing them?

[fickle lodge]

1

[modest wedge]

Why did Chess.com censor the Russian flag despite many Russians, including Russian chess players opposing the invasion of Ukraine and just wanting to represent their country; but not the Israeli flag, when Israel’s killed more civilians, blocked aid, and razed cities in Gaza; instead of staying apolitical and letting everyone represent their heritage?

[hushed hill]

What’s the weirdest feature Chess.com ever considered but scrapped?

Are you worried that AI-Assisted cheating will eventually become undetectable at high levels?

[tight verge]

thats wild

gotta look at both sides of the story my guy

[modest wedge]

I responded in ur dms

[short warren]

Has Danny ever played blindfold chess?

[spring stone]

=))

[low cove]

for Danny - Is there any way to get new opening theory added to the chess.com database? I actually have an interesting novelty line (not dubious) in the King's Gambit Declined I'd like to show. I've been making a study on it (work in progress) so it would be cool if I could submit it after I complete it, maybe.

[fossil iron]

DAM;N

[fathom vortex]

DA ALIEN GAMBITTT

[foggy fiber]

LeBron or Michael Jordan

[tall dune]

try to keep it about chess or chess.com pls

[queen anchor]

please toilet chess piece skins

[void panther]

Does chess get you girls

[queen anchor]

💔

[versed bane]

when are chess microtransactions and skins coming

[mental cedar]

is there going to be more variants added in chess.com?

[queen anchor]

OMG CHESS CASES

[worthy swift]

When's the birthday of everyone on the chesscom team?

[flint tinsel]

why does premium cost really high?

[tall dune]

for real tho you guys dont have any questions about the website? fairplay? too much brainrot to formulate one? I can help

[versed bane]

yessir

[umbral kettle]

What is the most attractive way to play chess?

[chilly flint]

what is your approach to the israel palastine situation? what steps do u take to keep out of contreversy?

[earnest talon]

How long would you last against Magnus Carlsen?

[nimble sinew]

is the the chess queen single?

[queen anchor]

GOLD GOLD GOLD GOLD GOLD

[tardy mirage]

has chess become more boring and stale after computers?

[unique estuary]

hawk

[worthy swift]

will we ever have the option to customize piece movement easing?

[foggy fiber]

LeBron or Michael Jordan

[humble kestrel]

will there ever be a sex update whwre you can do the pieces?

[versed bane]

...

[narrow glacier]

When is Chess 2 dropping?

[umbral kettle]

no she’s married to the king but she only married him for his status so you still have a chance

[queen anchor]

would consider remaking the guest play rank system?

[frail wagon]

why bishop piece is not named wizard (also are you planning to quit twitter)

[queen anchor]

💔💔🔥🔥🗣️🔥🗣️🔥

[nimble sinew]

YES BABYY

[void panther]

We need FPS chess

[queen anchor]

we aready had...

[hybrid lantern]

How many premium users are there in chess.com?

[void panther]

On c c

[mental cedar]

thats on steam not chess.com

[tall dune]

wait what do u mean. like in variants?

[queen anchor]

cooking???

ayo????

[little bone]

WHEN CHESS WILL BECOME NON RACIST AND LET BLACK PLAY FIRST

[versed bane]

why are 600 rated players absolute gods in chess but i can beat 1100

[unique estuary]

can u add checkers on chess.com 😃

[queen anchor]

chess community finally cooking

[tall dune]

just so I know how to categorize it. I'm adding all legit questions

[worthy swift]

yea kinda like the animation option but you can change the curve

[chilly flint]

when u stop making things racist

[umbral kettle]

Will you do an update where you can rotate the entire board like a Rubik’s cube?

[fringe sun]

how does a knight move?

[queen anchor]

pls add skin cases to chess.com

[tall dune]

got it! 😄

[queen anchor]

🗣️🗣️

[unique estuary]

how abt pink pieces

[umbral kettle]

What will be the new name for the bishop?

[void panther]

Both pieces should be white

[umbral kettle]

we already have that

[versed bane]

yeah custom animations like for taking like a rook calling in crows, knight stomping on the piece etc could work

[unique estuary]

how abt

[short warren]

My question is has Danny ever played blindfold chess?

[unique estuary]

rainbow pieces

[little bone]

yeah bro sure

[frail wagon]

what is your favorite game

[chilly flint]

anser plz

[near dome]

Will we ever get suggested rating system upgrade? It rlly suck now and it shouldnt be based on rating you have.

[void panther]

You agree?

[versed bane]

🇺🇸

[little bone]

yes bro

[umbral kettle]

every june they should make it so the pieces and the board are rainbow and you can’t change the theme

[unique estuary]

yeah

[warm rock]

when will chess be free

[umbral kettle]

not happening bud

[unique estuary]

make it so theres no time taken away for premoves

[foggy fiber]

Sorry bro it's not lichess

[tall dune]

I've added to the list, it's a long list because we're asking around all platforms. so I can't be sure it will be answered during the broadcast, but it's a fair question, so it got added 🙂

[tall dune]

can u turn this into a question

[fiery cloak]

why should we use chess.com when its premium features are available for free on lichess??

[tall dune]

[short warren]

Was I supposed to ping someone for my question or will this whole chat be looked through?

[unique estuary]

make it so theres no time taken away for premoves maybe?

does that work

[small vapor]

can you please add bots of the different chess pieces. and the ratings would be pawns= 500 elo, knights= 1500 elo, bishops are 3000 elo, rooks are 5000 elo, queen's are 9000 elo and kings =9999 elo. also the pieces would be the same color as they are playing and the same style as you have selected

[void panther]

Lichess or cc?

[unique estuary]

💔

[umbral kettle]

Can you add me to Chess as a new piece that can move anywhere on the board instantly, even if it’s the opponent’s turn?

[unique estuary]

ck

[worthy swift]

stop spamming your message will be seen

[near dome]

North Korea

[fiery cloak]

reasons

[void panther]

I love Kim chann

[umbral kettle]

Make the pieces scream when they’re taken

[unique estuary]

can u guys enable chat for chesskid pretty please

[tall dune]

im not danny BUT just a comment here. no one has game review like we do w a coach. our analysis board is free too, it just doesnt have the full game review

but I'll add it

[ivory nimbus]

Do your chess tournaments make money, like the SCC or even TT?

[tall dune]

he'll probably have a better answer if picked lol

[fringe sun]

[small vapor]

i accidentally did it twice then i deleted them too fix a spelling mistake so hop off buddy

[hybrid lantern]

Why is there no gamemode/variant where takebacks are allowed like how we can do against bots?

[worthy swift]

i thought you were, don't have to be rude about it 💔

[tall dune]

whole chat is looked through

[fiery cloak]

[void panther]

There are ways to get free analysis by cheating, so why bother putting a paywall?

[small vapor]

its fine pookie im sorry

[worthy swift]

you're good nothing personal lol

[near dome]

Will we ever get suggested rating system upgrade? It rlly suck now and it shouldnt be based on rating you have.

[short warren]

Ok

[sand cobalt]

Is iq required for 2000

[worthy swift]

it shows how well you've played, not how you should be rated

[stable osprey]

Why is Martin stupid

[unique estuary]

can u guys add south vietnam flag

[worthy swift]

hikaru is #3 in the world and yet doesn't have a high iq like magnus

[foggy fiber]

Lichess free stockfish is stockfish 16 chess.com free stockfish is stockfish 11

[void panther]

Martin is not stupid

[umbral kettle]

Make it so premium users can undo their opponent’s move with a cooldown of ten moves. The opponent must pick a different move when this happens.

[foggy fiber]

No IQ and chess are two completely different things

[worthy swift]

that would result in stalemate in positions where they only have one legal move

plus that's too overpowered

[ivory nimbus]

In your opinion, what is the most crucial step to make towards reaching beyond 2000 elo?

[unique estuary]

can u guys make it so i can add accessories on my pieces

[fiery cloak]

chess aint pay-to-win

[void panther]

So make chess pay2win huh?

[foggy fiber]

Create advanced chess lessons for players 1700+ because the chess guide is great I've finished it like 4 times as a refresher and I really like the style of the videos

[pallid gyro]

Why is "Unlimited Party Analysis" restricted to Premium Members? I just want to learn chess, not pay for it. I understand that Chess.Com needs to make money somehow, but please, give premium members something else than that. Or give Non-Premium Members upwards of 3 Party Analysises for free each day instead of 1. Thank you.

[umbral kettle]

If the opponent’s only legal move is undone, it is checkmate.

[short warren]

Yeah

[worthy swift]

no, because it doesn't have to be a check

[cobalt gorge]

My biggest concern right now is that cheating has become easier and easier. For example, in online rapid chess it’s extremely easy to use an engine for a single move in a hard position that gives a move significantly better than all the others. If a strong player uses this once every couple games it would go practically undetected but improve their win rate marginally. Is chess.com doing anything to try to combat this? What are your thoughts on the OTB cheating scene such as using those AI glasses that detect the position?

[umbral kettle]

How about they implement it for a year just as a test run?

[unique estuary]

no...

[worthy swift]

i'd say that would be viable ONLY in unrated games as a separate gamemode and free for everyone

[foggy fiber]

I don't develop chess anticheats but I develop game anticheats

[umbral kettle]

Let us do like reverse reports on our opponents where like instead of saying they did something wrong we say they did something good like being a good sport or being a good player and it becomes visible on their profiles

[ivory nimbus]

Do you ever consider chess.com a monopoly?

[worthy swift]

i could honestly try to work on a cheat detection algorithm for chess.com so that i can automatically know when i'm playing a cheater

[void panther]

It's not tho

[unique estuary]

can u guys add an "additional notes" option when reporting someone

[ivory nimbus]

its nearly one

[torn hatch]

Why is there bullet, blitz and rapid on chess.com but no classical?

[worthy swift]

running a live game review on the game, checking the time between each move, the player's elo and flagging potential cheaters
with a white list for masters, of course

[foggy fiber]

The issue is that with chess it requires a bunch of complicated algorithms to detect cheaters automatically due to the nature of the game. Anyone is capable of playing a good game of chess.

[tall dune]

mine is june 13

[umbral kettle]

Have an international tournament where all the world leaders recognized by the United Nations play against each other

[void panther]

Not when our saviour, Lichess, is on our side

[worthy swift]

oooh not too far from mine! around a month and a half away 😄 (august 2)

[unique estuary]

yeah lets do this instead of wars

[ivory nimbus]

there are other aspects like chess courses too they dominate those

[void panther]

What about Taiwan

[foggy fiber]

You guys should contact lichess to see if you guys could work together to improve your guy's anticheat

[small vapor]

can you redesign the division leagues

[umbral kettle]

Taiwan will be put against China in the first round so either they or China will be immediately eliminated

[void panther]

No , for example Gotham chess has a similar website,no?

[ivory nimbus]

Is there a plan to improve the servers more to further prevent sudden outages?

[worthy swift]

lichess is nonprofit while chesscom is forprofit, not sure if they'd be willing to collaborate

[umbral kettle]

same deal with other land and border disputes

[unique estuary]

can u guys add request undo button if u mouseslip

[worthy swift]

that would be useful

[foggy fiber]

Ye like lichess takebacl

[umbral kettle]

Make it so pawns in a pawn chain will hold hands.

[unique estuary]

yeah

[foggy fiber]

Take back request

[foggy fiber]

This would be funny

[void panther]

And lichess w so make actual do take back the move

[tall dune]

this is me speaking not answering the question. personal opinion: we havent had many have we?

like lately

[foggy fiber]

Not to my knowledge but I play lichess more often than chess.com

[worthy swift]

personally, i've experienced 2 outages in the past 3 months. i think that's reasonable

[tall dune]

fair enough

[umbral kettle]

Give the king a mobility scooter so he can move two squares per move.

[worthy swift]

also quick question are the chess.com servers stored in a server room or is it someone's

and is it messy?

[tall dune]

no idea

we all work remotely. I'm the community team girlie. been to the barcelona office a few times, but no servers there lol just a really cool office

want me to add that one too?

[worthy swift]

ah alright

[worthy swift]

sure :P

[void panther]

Let the king and queen have children

[tall dune]

andy chill out

try to think of a real question pls fight against the brainrot kids i know you can form a coherent tought

[velvet minnow]

why we letting zionists play chess?

[worthy swift]

if they don't have an idea they should probably think about it first in my opinion, flooding the chat with absurdities just washes away the actual questions

[foggy fiber]

Do you think there will be any way to notify the fair play team of suspicious accounts automatically without reporting? So if an account has certain time usage, high accuracy, etc etc. Will it be funneled to fair play without anyone reporting the player?

[velvet minnow]

clap_00

we dont care

[worthy swift]

ok, was just saying :P

[tall dune]

I'm reading through it all but if we had just actual questions

[velvet minnow]

😛

[velvet minnow]

Give the bishop ability to go in stealth mod and ability to surpass the boundaries of the board

[tall dune]

i dont work w fairplay but pretty sure that also exists adding it

[grand knot]

is there a chess.com blacklist 👁️

[worthy swift]

oh yeah, now that I think about it I have another question, will players ever be able to submit puzzles to be the daily puzzle, or to be added to the puzzles?

[ivory nimbus]

brandon jacobson:

[ivory nimbus]

Actually the main issue i sometimes face when playing bullet is lag, it still has improve a lot tho

[hybrid lantern]

What is the RCR (return customer rate) of chess users?

[tall dune]

wdym?

[grand knot]

as in is there a list of people you all have secret beef with kinda

im nosy

[tall dune]

I'll add it with the explanation.

[terse spade]

Will untitled tuesday retuen v

[hybrid lantern]

oh wait there is space for more questions?

[tall dune]

It happens every tuesday on the community club

of course, keep em coming

late and early

[terse spade]

Will the pro chess league return

[foggy fiber]

Hans is on there

[tall dune]

here's where untilted tuesday happens btw: https://www.chess.com/club/chess-com-community

[hybrid lantern]

How much %age of the revenue of chessscom goes to expenditure for other activities like Titled Tuesdays, Tournament Sponsership etc

[terse spade]

Thanks

[tall dune]

u already asked that, rubix lol, didnt u? that's ok

[pearl yew]

Would it be possible in the future to sort played games in both player vs player and player vs bot by accuracy? I've won games with 87%+ accuracy, but can't find them now as you have to manually review each game to see the accuracy. I would like to review those games again, it's just nearly impossible to find them without manually checking every game you've ever played.

[tall dune]

no wait iit might have been someone else

[hybrid lantern]

i asked how much money burn while starting chesscom, o now i think they are kinda akin

[eager flax]

How much do YOU approximately make in a year

[ivory nimbus]

cant you already filter that

[pearl yew]

No. You can only sort by date. I just checked.

[dense cliff]

Do you have a lichess account danny?

[hearty flume]

How much did u pay to the person that created engine like stockfish?

[sharp shadow]

Danny could u add a thing when someone cheats instead of banning them they can only play with bots and their account is flagged as “IDIOT”

[foggy fiber]

Lichess only let's cheaters play with other cheaters

Bro you could have cheaters play against chess.com maximum LMAO

[tall dune]

reminds me of when Levy did that for his youtube channel

paired up cheaters lmao

that was CONTENT

absolute cinema

[foggy fiber]

Wait chess.com staff watch levy

We're cooked

[sharp shadow]

You should do that plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[ivory nimbus]

Is there any point to the league system or are they just for show?

[sharp shadow]

You become world champion once you get to legend

[tall dune]

happened to my good friend ding

[sharp shadow]

So that’s how he beat Nepo

Chess.con help him cuz he is a legend

[foggy fiber]

Nepo was tweaking they psychologically manipulated that man

[hybrid lantern]

As you bought Chess.com domain for 55,000 USD in 2005 which is approximately 90,000 USD today, What do you think is the value of the domain as of now ?

[foggy fiber]

How much is 2+2?

@tall dune: ✅

[tall dune]

it's for my own organization so i dont have to go check for duplicates

my bad

[ivory nimbus]

Are puzzles made from player games or how are they made

[tall dune]

u know what i also have that same question bc some of them have the game when you analyse them but some dont

[naive lake]

What exactly can i ask

It says controversial questions are welcomed

[ivory nimbus]

all the ones that do seem to be at least a decade old tho lol

or maybe its still player games but they just dont show it anymore

Is there any plan to allow players to see all moves that have been played on the website as a database alongside analysis like the masters or lichess one?

[cold nova]

Will you ever add the arrow option for mobile?

[solemn panther]

Danny, who is your favorite Chess.com bot and why is it Martin?

[forest hollow]

What should we rename the bishop🤔

[rustic cairn]

how do you spot cheaters?

[foggy fiber]

Consistent time usage and questionable moves

If you cheat against 800s you're garbage 800s are so ez

But at low elo you have no right to talk about "questionable moves"

Because you blunder your queen before move 15

If they use 7-9 seconds per move and especially on captures and obvious moves (like mate in 4 sequence in 36 seconds) then most likely they are cheating

Some dude took 24 seconds to pull off a mate in 3 sequence which was the whole point of his queen sacrifice and he made every move within 8-11 seconds

[granite parrot]

curry?

[eager maple]

Will chess.com condemn the atrocities of israel after unrecognizing the russian flag 🤔

[edgy imp]

If Chess.com is banning Russia's flag on its stand for Ukraine in the Russia-Ukraine war, why not banning Ukraine's flag too, cuz it's not just Russia doing it.. Same for Israel/Palestine's flag!

Also Chess.com is a private company (or business), and is under no pressure to follow FIDE's regulation, moreover, we all know about FIDE, it's failing in representing Chess on this big level!
So, either bring Russian flag back, or ban the flag of all countries engaged in war

[edgy imp]

@tall dune

[eager maple]

I agree all flags should be displayed and none should be banned

[edgy imp]

Btw adding on to that, Chess is a game and it SHOULD not be influenced by politics

[eager maple]

But if russia's is banned then there are other countries doing far worse

[edgy imp]

Agreed

[ionic fulcrum]

Are there gonna be any new improvements to the mobile app like adding 4-players and variants?

[deep cloud]

I have been told time and time again that the french defense is one of the worst popular defenses against E4 by my 1800-2100 friends. Is this true, and if so, then why would any GMs play the french defense?

[eager maple]

French defense is perfectly playable

I lose to it often

[steady halo]

Fr*nce

[twin citrus]

What is the point of the leagues? Can we get a special sticker or something if we’re in the legend league?

[thorn totem]

do you play any videogames???

[reef gale]

What's something stupid beginners do when playing chess so I can avoid those mistakes?

[modest wedge]

I strongly agree with you

[near pewter]

One question and one question only

Did Hans Niemann cheat

[umbral kettle]

idk

Can you allow users to submit custom themes (pieces, boards, sounds) for Chess.com staff to review and approve and then some of them and be free but others, if they get super popular, will cost in-game currency that is bought with real money, and these themes can be traded with other users or sold for real money?

[umbral kettle]

this could not be more real

also my name is also louis

louis?

[modest wedge]

hiii louis, i'm louis too 🙀

[umbral kettle]

ME TOO

[modest wedge]

ME TOOO

i have a new friend

[umbral kettle]

bro same

[brazen stump]

true

[umbral kettle]

Do you wear wigs?

[rich prism]

Will there be more free diamond offers (im broke 😭🙏)

[warped tartan]

The chess opening you would most hate to see when playing an arrogant beginner

[tall dune]

we give them out in contests and tourneys every week in the community club broski !!

[meager harbor]

Is chesscom planning on doing something to spread chess throughout Africa? Or maybe to the entire world

[tawny stirrup]

Did Hans Cheat?

[tender ridge]

When will there be a leaderboard for Chess960?

[umbral kettle]

what do you listen to while you code

Yes! I call it the Queen’s Gambit, after the show. It’s where, as white, you play d4, your opponent plays d5, you play c4, your opponent takes on c4 and then you panic because you’re down on material and you resign

[rough wasp]

💀

[wet pewter]

tips for a person that 100 elo??

[dawn ridge]

when are pawns getting buffed

[bronze glacier]

..

[autumn flax]

how can we contact a real human for support (when I go to chess.com support it's like a maze). If you have the answer to my problem: Why are not all of my friends not showing in my friend list. Is there a bad way of sending friend request?

[sharp shadow]

@tall dune could you add simuls where we can play titles players on chess.com

[tall dune]

That’ a great idea 🙂 I’ll add it to the list of questions.

[cold nova]

Is the green pawn suit for sale?

[dense cliff]

Has anyone ever been banned for cheating even though they were playing fairly?

[upbeat agate]

Aything to say about the Bishop indcident over on the Chess.com twitter?

[austere sluice]

Were there any cases that someone got banned because of doing en passant?

[umbral wadi]

Is Martin secretly a gm and is hiding it cuz he wants to play fairly?

[marble gust]

Who would win if you did a chess boxing match against Levy rozman

[devout junco]

Can I get a lifetime prenium PLEASE

[wicked spade]

Can you guys teach me how to beat my opponents easily im bad player

Also im not asia im oceana

[umbral kettle]

Could you add a feature where, if I blunder my queen, I can watch an ad to take back my move?

[fierce hamlet]

Can you adding a 1 minute per move time control on chesscom plz.I am very like of this time control.

[umbral kettle]

have auto translations available for when players have different preferred languages

like instagram

i love instagram

i post my pictures there

can i have the chess.com twitter account for one day

[bleak nymph]

is there a lore about Martin himself?

[vocal otter]

is using a bot a bit higher elo than yourself (e.g. you're 1900 but u use 2100 bot) detectable and bannable?

[west summit]

what is this

[foggy fiber]

I was messing around in analysis when I found a pretty dope way to play against the KIA with black

1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 c5 3. Bg2 h5 4. O-O h4 5. Nxh4 e5

[serene tinsel]

Who created chess.com?

[tight verge]

if you and Levy raced the 100m who would win

[twin narwhal]

best opening for every elo

[queen anchor]

@tall dune question for Danny - favorite chess opening (doesn’t have to be good or realistic to play) but favorite opening both as black and white

[shy wolf]

Can we get a classical time control, with rating separate from rapid?

[hushed hill]

it’s over you can’t ask any questions now yall are too late

[shy wolf]

Yeah but its worth a try

[hushed hill]

Nu uh

[shy wolf]

What do I lose by trying

ok great talking with you bye

[hushed hill]

thought

[ivory nimbus]

Why was the vote chess thing when spectating players removed

[umbral kettle]

What is Chess.com CEO’s favorite mahler symphony

[umbral kettle]

Why is the pawn green?

[terse spade]

Yep

[rough wasp]

STOP REPLYING TO MY QUESTIONS 😭

[cold nova]

Yep

[low cove]

Yep

[steady halo]

yep

[granite parrot]

Yep

⁷

[wicked spade]

yep

[rough wasp]

alright we're done here

[low cove]

nuh uh