Is the London actually bad? why?

[acoustic sky]

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[quasi wren]

london best

[heady ginkgo]

o

[little sonnet]

hi

[heady ginkgo]

[rotund sigil]

No

It’s good

[dreamy forge]

No

[full timber]

No

[paper heart]

🚫

[queen walrus]

yikes

[rare gate]

London is boring

[atomic wigeon]

yes

boring

[full timber]

They should play checkers

[lament loom]

No

[graceful plank]

london is very solid

[deep wind]

it's British sooo not good

[jolly harbor]

London is amazing.

[little sonnet]

All openings are equal

[full timber]

checkers

[strong umbra]

[tawny tusk]

London is for old and lame poeple

[void owl]

London aint the one. It takes forever to get from one place too the other

[sharp meadow]

London is in the UK, everything named after anything in the UK is bad

[atomic wigeon]

very boring

[steady river]

Depends on the player

[deep wind]

based

[graceful plank]

im lame so W

[formal plover]

im disappointed that this qs was even asked

[thorn mauve]

its not bad in the sense of getting you in a worse position but its very boring

[full timber]

Its solid and objectively a good opening but its simple and very boring

[weak wind]

london is an amazing place

[lusty cosmos]

is bad because boring

[unreal meteor]

London is good, and can be aggressive

[graceful plank]

if it works it works

[full timber]

Fish and chips?

[full timber]

yeah

[balmy dagger]

not talking aboutt place

[rare gate]

All London except Jobava is bad

[graceful plank]

[upper anchor]

[weak wind]

as an indian, i feel like meeting non-indians is so rare

[graceful plank]

yes

[thorn mauve]

yes

[rare gate]

Jobava London is good, else are all bad

[thorn mauve]

im non indian

[sharp meadow]

I'm GoNnA DeVeLoP mY dAhK sQuEhD bIsHoP iNnIt?

[fervent granite]

I really like the london sistem, the persons think that it is too "defensive" but it isn't.
I like to play in a ofenssive kind, and this is the perfect opening

[rare gate]

I like agressive openings

[wintry hamlet]

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[fervent granite]

nice me too

[rare gate]

That'

[sharp meadow]

That's not named after the UK

[mellow oar]

I recommend it to kids I coah

[thorn mauve]

exactly

[sharp meadow]

That's just in the UK, and it also still sucks

[static violet]

london sucks

[drifting sequoia]

no, u

[rare gate]

I always play Jobava if possible. Nc3 is goated fr

[graceful plank]

no u

[static violet]

no u

[rotund sigil]

@acoustic sky how do you get picture perms

[minor chasm]

good for new players

[thorn mauve]

no u

[graceful plank]

[fervent onyx]

it's good

fr

[full timber]

Literally is

[minor chasm]

am a new player and i use it until i found the ponziani

[static violet]

no u, infinite + 1

[rare gate]

First move Nc3. London or Vienna depends on opponent's next move. And Jobava London is goated

[minor chasm]

its good

[sharp meadow]

There's a place in the UK named Fish n Chips?

[graceful plank]

u cant add +1 to infinity

[thorn mauve]

infinity is not a number

[graceful plank]

since it would still be infinity

[carmine stratus]

It's good

[acoustic sky]

isn't ponzi with black tho

[full timber]

You clearly haven’t been to the UK

[acoustic sky]

[rare gate]

No. Cockermouth exists tho

[sharp meadow]

I'd rather be caught dead

[acoustic sky]

no wait it's c3

[deep wind]

London system= London = the UK = stupid = bad = London system
it's an infinite loop

[full timber]

There’s like 5 places in walking distance called fish and chips

[acoustic sky]

but then d5 easy

[static violet]

so what is infinity

[acoustic sky]

dead on arrival

[sharp meadow]

Also restaurants don't count I'm sure there's a restaurant with that in the name, I'm talking about places

[dapper storm]

There's also a London in Kiribati

[graceful plank]

all numbers that can and cannot exist

[acoustic sky]

c3 d5 easy

no pony

[graceful plank]

infinity is an array of unlimited values

[thorn mauve]

infinity is a grouping of numbers

[deep wind]

me when I forget the air holes when shipping myself

[full timber]

I would like to state the fact that the london is purely horrible because it's named after a british city

[acoustic sky]

[thorn mauve]

some infinities are bigger than others

[acoustic sky]

can't laugh can't laugh can't laugh c-

[graceful plank]

infinity cannot be bigger than itself since it would still be infinity

the distance between 0 and 1 is infinity as well

[sharp meadow]

That's infinity null brain

[acoustic sky]

sir, this is a wendys

[deep wind]

become London-ist, become based

[acoustic sky]

crow is right tho

infinity + 1 still infinity

[thorn mauve]

that would mean that pi is just as big as any other infinity but thats not true

[acoustic sky]

can we keep on the subject now pls

[full timber]

fr

[deep wind]

what about infinity+2?

[acoustic sky]

it is

[thorn mauve]

no we need to sorr this out

[full timber]

There's an interesting study about how the human cannot even grasp the concept of something null or infinite

[minor chasm]

it is white

[graceful plank]

ya because the disance between a number is infinite and pi is infinite

[acoustic sky]

take it to general

[sharp meadow]

There's countable infinity, which is just 1, 2, 3, 4, all the way to infinity, then there's uncountable infinity, in which you can't even find the next number because of decimals and whatnot

[static violet]

what did i do to this chat

[graceful plank]

[acoustic sky]

@graceful plank @thorn mauve take it to general @sharp meadow -> #💬〡general-off-topic (crow is right)

[full timber]

is the london cringe

[full timber]

Trust me it's all related to chess ong

[full timber]

fr

[acoustic sky]

don't care didn't ask

[deep wind]

obviously since London system is related to London, and London is infinity bad, that makes infinity and London system ar relatex

[thorn mauve]

:(

[full timber]

Damn alright I'll take my fat ass out of here bye

[acoustic sky]

so cool except im in your walls

[rocky tusk]

Good for first opening thats it

[deep wind]

I tore down my walls for better air conditioning

[full timber]

they should have named the london the fish and chips opening

[acoustic sky]

@deep wind based

[deep wind]

take that 😎

[acoustic sky]

first like till 700

idk just limiting imo

and annoying

[deep wind]

like the UK

[full timber]

is the london cringe

im scottish

not really

[deep wind]

London is cringe so therefore the London system is cringe

[full timber]

i was raised in scotland

[full timber]

i feel like the london is boring once u learn other openings

[deep wind]

his teeth will unstraighten

[tacit crater]

I think you meant to ask if it was annoying.

[full timber]

the bongcloud is more base

[deep wind]

yes

[left inlet]

Yes.

Ask @night mesa

[spring moat]

IT SUCKS

BECAUSE IT SUCKS

[tame pine]

this poll's useless why opening topic?
why not strategy topics or tactics?

[deep wind]

the most based message in this debate

[true star]

if you think london system is bad you are fat old and balding. goodbye.

[deep wind]

cause London bashing funny

[full timber]

because yes

[spring moat]

like its cringe its made for nons the higher classes of chess cant play that dirt poor opening

[spring moat]

ikr

[deep wind]

exactly

[true star]

@spring moat fat old and balding

seek help, user

[spring moat]

like playing the london? couldnt be me

[spring moat]

..i mean ya i am gettin a lil fat

[full timber]

i mean

just play the queens gambit for d4 🤓

thats what i would say fr

even better

the botez gambit

[spring moat]

also ur 805 u dont have any rights to talk to me non

[true star]

and you are 30 y/o on discord

once again

fat

old

balding

goodbye.

[spring moat]

sir... i am 13

[full timber]

whats wrong witha 30 year old in dc

[spring moat]

💀

[true star]

these users are dented. do not mind them.

[spring moat]

u have discord nitro... hmmm that msg backfires

[true star]

it was free.

[spring moat]

heh HEH

💀 why do i not know these things

[true star]

[true star]

sounds like a skill issue to me

[spring moat]

again ur 805 rapid dont talk about skill issue to me

💀

all of ur msgs are backfiring

[true star]

i have gone up 500 rating in the last 50 or so days

what have you accomplished

[spring moat]

...and

[spring moat]

i am on 1200 rating and i made my acc days ago

[true star]

sorry i don't talk to losers

[true star]

🖐️ 🚫 back off

[spring moat]

idk

[true star]

london system is good. helps you learn without getting shit on.

[spring moat]

for nons like u?

[spring moat]

💀

[true star]

just enough variation to not be overwhelming for the average user.

[true star]

back off, dented user.

[spring moat]

at least my mind is dented u dont even have one

[true star]

would you like to be proven otherwise?

if your answer is yes, you are dented. if no, you are dented. goodbye.

[spring moat]

this shit is funny

[spring moat]

thats like death death

💀

[true star]

to any feds reading this, i am not wishing harm upon this user

👍

[spring moat]

...i dont think anyone will think that ur harming me

aint a fight

[true star]

ok sorry @spring moat

[spring moat]

am i supposed to say sorry?

[true star]

london system is good anyway i gtg lmao

[true star]

idk idc

[spring moat]

what the hell i didnt even do anything

💀

alr where was i

london system actually sucks

uh sure but id lose

its fine i still wana 1v1

[fervent onyx]

depends on the level

[spring moat]

WRONG

1v1

il watch

because if u play it above 1000 u WOULD BE DESTROYED if ur opp nows what hes doin

[full timber]

dead chat

[rare gate]

It's actually dead

[floral roost]

London isn't even bad

It is just hated so much because of how solid it is

[tawny tusk]

You're just mad cause nobody likes your opening choice

[mossy lagoon]

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[pine canyon]

it is a beginner friendly opening, could be good, but useless when u reach highe elo level

[drifting sequoia]

yes

[drifting sequoia]

not reallly

[drifting sequoia]

not really

yes

[mossy lagoon]

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[pine canyon]

yep

[drifting sequoia]

yes

[tawny tusk]

But should they? I dont think so

London should be banned

[undone thorn]

imagine not starting with e4 🥱

[mossy lagoon]

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[undone thorn]

who plays scholar's mate past like 700

[mossy lagoon]

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[wintry hamlet]

bro, no 500+ plays scholars mate

[misty harbor]

I really dislike the word 'bad' in the question. What does 'bad' mean?

It is a 'playable' opening. Does it fit your taste? THAT is a different question but if superGMs play the opening (in any context) than it is probably 'playable' for a patzer like me. 🙂

Do I 'like' playing the London? That is a matter of personal taste. Do you like the positions it leads to in the middlegame? If it does then play it.

I do not play the London System, I am a 1. e4 (best by test) player. 🙂

[keen anchor]

Same

I play kings gambit or if they dont do e5 usually 2. Nf3

[boreal dagger]

London is great

[static violet]

yes but annoying

[topaz zodiac]

It is good for chess club player, but GMs destroy it

[frank vault]

be quiet 💀💀💀💀💀

[wintry hamlet]

nah

[drifting sequoia]

Noone

[full timber]

It’s good, and if someone says otherwise they are lying.

[floral roost]

it isn’t necessarily good, just that it is very solid and easy to play

normally black can equalize very easily if knowing what they are doing

[uneven wyvern]

Black can equalize and easily draw the game. When you are playing for a draw, this can easily be one of the best openings, however, for playing for a win this isnt.

Yes, ding played the london, thats one game.

[cyan rock]

The London is a solid opening for white. In some lines black can equalize but who cares? Just because the position is equal doesn't mean it will end in a draw. Bunch of people play equal openings for white and never get called out. Most people hate the London for no good reason

[drifting sequoia]

I agree noone cares.

[quasi wren]

I still don't understand how a setup like this can be called passive

[drifting sequoia]

Some people hate london because they lost to someone who played london

[foggy marsh]

Straight facts

[grand wagon]

Eh
I can see how it could be boring due to opening choice

Personally I play the KID so to me it doesn’t matter that much, I have tried the London System and it’s relatively effective but overrated in my opinion

It’s just annoying to see it every other game while being a 1000 ELO

even then

Something like this isn’t awfully exciting

[cyan rock]

You can like what you want but since when does boring/not exciting mean bad?

[grand wagon]

Did I say that???

Also bad or good is entirely subjective so yes, bad and boring could be interchanged

If it’s effective or not is a different story and yes, good and effective could be interchanged also, depending on what is more important to a given person

[grand wagon]

I said it’s effective but overrated if you reread the message

[fervent onyx]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[jovial inlet]

I stand neutral on this, however, my opinion is if you can play it correctly, for instance, I dislike many opening due to my inability to play them, some, are popular, some aren’t, however, generalized, I consider the openings I cant play bad, of course, there is some flaws in that, I can’t play the Sicilian Defense as black, if I, a singular player dislikes it, means it is a bad opening? It does not, again, it is what the player thinks of the opening, and whether they should or shouldn’t play it.

[static violet]

London bad

[tribal moss]

london bad

london beat me

Beat me = bad

[vagrant musk]

Kinda meh, but I don't instantly think "this player is garbage and doesn't play a real opening"

[vagrant musk]

Yes very true, I play Queen's Gambit exchange and it feels drawish but I don't get that much draws

[static violet]

I abort everyone who plays d4

I never lose to london

[granite hedge]

the london is definitely a system

[drifting sequoia]

Have you ever visited London even once?

[static violet]

In real life? No

[fervent onyx]

in minecraft?

[fervent onyx]

as a london player, i approve

[static violet]

I dont play minecraft

[uneven cradle]

London's good

Its truly a system indeed

[tawny tusk]

The london is not f-ing welcome here

[fervent onyx]

i'm playing the london

i have like 56% winrate

[static violet]

its bad

for the opponent

[fervent onyx]

fr

bongo approved the london system

[static violet]

not really

i still hate it

[rotund thicket]

it sucks, but its good?

[rocky tusk]

Correct

[rotund thicket]

❤️

[spiral jewel]

London=annoying

I want opening to be as short as possible

[fervent onyx]

i have a 60% winrate with london

[terse oriole]

I never played london but it sees nice

[regal phoenix]

London System or Bongcloud, which do you use more if you were in a chess tournament with full of IM/GM

I would use Britian

[balmy coral]

Hi

🍴

[fervent onyx]

as a 1400 cc i'd say that i'll proudly use any because i would lose either way 💀

[regal phoenix]

As a 300 elo, I would also say the same thing but proudly use any

[uneven wyvern]

as a 2000 cc rapid id use london because i can hopefully somehow fluke half a point

(i fluked a win against an im once he just missed a rook sac xd)

or maybe id use bonkcloud because they might laugh so much fall off the chair achieve a concussion and hang their pawns 9 times

[cerulean dirge]

I mean it’s good but imo kinda boring so I don’t play it

And there’s better openings

[vale jasper]

It's good For 400-1100 elo.

Players that have more elo than 1100 will beat the London system most of the time.

Players under 400 elo will absolutely mess it up (doesn't mean 400 elo players will play the London system perfectly, they will just play the exact setup while 300 elo players won't even play the setup).

[last wolf]

London makes it hard to calculate

[vale jasper]

Why man?

[last wolf]

idk where to move next

[rotund thicket]

you mean, finding a plan?

[last wolf]

yup

[rotund thicket]

the main plan when you've finished developement is taking control of the strong e5 square with Ne5, then f4, Rf3-h3 and kingside attack with d3 bishop

but I'm not a London player

[proven violet]

its boring

[weak wind]

im the best

[last wolf]

London kinda bad

[rotund thicket]

bruh it doesn't mean anything

[twin sapphire]

london is best opening

[weak compass]

London has been carrying me since i was 600, im almost back to 1200

[uneven wyvern]

London has carried me till 2000 again. I win every time my opponent plays it

[vagrant musk]

Is there a way to play the most boring and drawish London possible?

[thorny sigil]

yes

[rotund stream]

Ye

[strong umbra]

[full timber]

Barnes opening: Fool's Mate

[little sonnet]

wow that was a long conversation

[full timber]

lol

[west glacier]

IT SUCKS!!!!

[stray fjord]

London system is quite good

[weak wind]

yes lundi pappadam dealer

what does that mean lmao

[wheat kestrel]

London is the BEST, for white tho... for black I find that the caro-kann works better

[undone echo]

exactly

I play london white and caro black and im 1300

reaching*

[full heart]

london

is

great

[rocky tusk]

d4 d5 Bf4 h5 e3 e5 black wins

Dont make this mistake as white