Is it courteous to resign in a lost position?

[slate agate]

#NeverResign

[terse oriole]

no

[narrow drum]

depends as per usual

[sacred crater]

yes

[terse oriole]

not resigning is respecting the game the way it was designed

[raven estuary]

Question is phrased incorrectly

[bright oyster]

depends on rating

[stiff current]

depending on how bad the position

[sacred crater]

resigning is the best option dont waste your time

[oak arrow]

do whatever you want

[neat gulch]

It’s fair to resign if there’s nothing left to play for. If you can still play for something don’t resign.

[fickle garnet]

depends obv

[stiff current]

it can help you learn if you don't resign

[raven estuary]

"Is it curteous" has nothing to do with "yes, you should"

[warped rapids]

never back down never what?

[fathom sundial]

#NeverResign make them get that mate

[bright oyster]

if you play like 300-800 its best to resign rather than keep playing since you can hope for stalemate

[elfin fjord]

Fight to the end you might learn something new!

[bright oyster]

though you shouldnt resign if they premoved mate

[idle rover]

#neverresign

[rugged geode]

When my opponent doesn’t resign, I just make the game even more frustrating for them

[narrow drum]

I mean it is courteous in any position I guess, but that doesnt mean its disrespectful to play on or that you should

[terse oriole]

people should share their never resign games here

[proven lotus]

#NeverResign you never know if your opponent will make a blunder

[oak arrow]

#alwaysresign

[warped rapids]

[fast magnet]

I personally never resign as I will fight to the last for any chance of victory or at the very least, a stalemate, but lately I've heard of resigning out of respect for the opponent, and I might start doing that

[cerulean veldt]

My resignation rule is that resigning should only be done if I am 100% confident that I could beat an engine in that position with reversed colours.

[devout oyster]

Dont resign. Cuz at my level of elo, anyone can mess up the most lost position.

[mild spoke]

#NeverResign

[oak arrow]

I resign within the first 5 moves

[warped rapids]

never back down never give up

🔱

[sacred crater]

im 2000 and if you made 1 bad move you should resign

[void ether]

<2000 = never resign

[narrow drum]

still not accurate, as your opponent might be less good

[cerulean veldt]

Not necessarily. I've lost a whole minor piece at 2200 elo very early in the game and still won before

[slate agate]

10/10

[hushed otter]

The question is whether or not it's courteous, not whether or not it's logical

[neat gulch]

It’s fair to resign if there’s nothing left to play for. If you can still play for something don’t resign.

[sacred crater]

sometimes that happen

[wanton hamlet]

it depends on the postion

[raven estuary]

you made a mistake: question was "Is it curteous" but the answers are "yes, you should" and "no you shouldn't" (not answering the same question)

[wanton hamlet]

ig

[void ether]

if the next move is mate in 1 i would play my move and resign

[novel condor]

there's a funny fact about how at higher rating you'd win or lose to resignation more than checkmate lmao

[devout oyster]

Even GMs blunder stuff. Just play it out and they might mess tf up

[slate agate]

yes (it is courteous), you should resign.

[terse oriole]

i think ive done like only 10 resignations in the whole time on cc 😂

[tired sundial]

Chess would be boring without a fight. If your opponent is winning, they should be able to convert the winning advantage to a win

[raven estuary]

something being courteous or not doesn't necessarily imply that you should do it (or not do it)

[cerulean veldt]

It depends on the position, not the player. If I am down a whole rook, I know that I could probably beat stockfish but I won't be 100% confident

[elfin fjord]

yeah but you do realise it also depends on the position in the endgame right? like for example a person has a queen and u have only a bishop then you're toast

[terse oriole]

📌

[slate agate]

fair enough

but help me out here

lmfao

[wanton hamlet]

like lasker said : the hardest postion is the winning,postion

[charred locust]

Can't drag on a battle I can't win

[hushed otter]

You should only resign accordingly to how big of a disadvantage and your level, if you're down a queen but you're like 500 you should keep playing, if you're down a bishop and you're 2500 you should resign.

[tired sundial]

I agree

[hushed otter]

To me, courtesy on the board is just nonsense, if someone's "disrespecting" you with their moves you have to punish them, until the game is over there's no such a thing as a won game.

[cerulean veldt]

I've trolled with crab and still beat 2200s before

[narrow drum]

I'd beat stockfish up a queen, but a 200 wouldnt so that still means you should play on there

[raven estuary]

it genuinely skews the answer here though: I voted never resign, but I would agree that resigning is courteous

[void ether]

levy: never resign

[slate agate]

yes but then I'd have to make a complex poll about people's relation to cordiality

[raven estuary]

I don't think you should be so courteous in this scenario

[hushed otter]

all the french people rn:

[wanton hamlet]

agree

[cloud pelican]

Humans are not engines, even high rated players will blunder stalemates especially under time pressure. Do not resign

[slate agate]

and it's just supposed to be fun

[hushed otter]

(sorry bast)

[slate agate]

fair enough

[wanton hamlet]

i talk french btw

[slate agate]

same tbh

[cerulean veldt]

I wouldn't be playing 200s. Plus how are you 100% sure that you can beat sf up a queen from the start? How do you know that sf has 0 chance?

[terse oriole]

chess shouldnt be about being courteous on board

[elfin fjord]

guys how about this?

[torpid orbit]

In slower games when you're playing against an opponent of your level or above and you are sure that you have no play at all - consider resigning.
Otherwise, forget that button exists. Make them prove that they're winning, especially if they're low on time or much lower rated. #NeverResign

[void ether]

imo i watch levy and i saw he can still defend himself and maybe turn a losing into a draw/winning position

[warped rapids]

NEVER BACK DOWN NEVER WHAT

[narrow drum]

cos it's not difficult.... (if time isnt a factor)

[astral swift]

there are often easy mistakes in a lost position, especially in low elo

[tired sundial]

Stalemate tricks/traps

[narrow drum]

I made the example extreme for the purpose of the example

[void ether]

always try the rosen trap before resigning

[tired sundial]

[cerulean veldt]

If my lefong doesn't work, I usually play on for around 15 more moves and make a decision as to whether or not to continue fighting

[limber parcel]

🏓

[tired sundial]

We would only play Magnus in our dreams

[cerulean veldt]

sometimes I've gotten some incredible comebacks but there has been times when I just see my position has hopeless so I just move on

[torpid orbit]

A few days ago I had a blitz game like this:
I was completely lost (down a bishop and a couple of pawns)
But then my opponent decided to attack my rook...

[void ether]

fight until u can't pulled the rosen trap anymore

[narrow drum]

like back when I was less good (and so were my opponents) I used to judge off the first few moves whether my opponent knew the easiest/best way to mate with rook vs lone king (for example), if they didnt, I wouldnt resign, if they did, I would, so it really depends

[raven estuary]

Agree, but I don't think the answer choices are yes (always) and no (always)

[cerulean veldt]

nobody's going to fall for Rosen trap with 1.5 minute on their clock

[raven estuary]

It would be courteous to resign, but you shouldn't (in a large majority of cases)

[void ether]

qxf7, kh8, qxh7#

[torpid orbit]

[tired sundial]

I have seen some crazy stuff in 10+0 and 15+10

Opponent legit fell for stalemate with 4:30 on the clock

[void ether]

depends on elos and how much time u choose

[narrow drum]

not rosen trap but enough time here to not stalemate

[cerulean veldt]

I've made a comeback down a whole bishop while chatting with my opponent and he blocked me

[raven estuary]

and also how lost??

[tired sundial]

[tired sundial]

Closed by cc 💀

[terse oriole]

doesnt matter if u r lost, not resigning is fun

[narrow drum]

yup but he wasnt cheating that game

[void ether]

he should have promote to THE ROOOKKKK

[terse oriole]

even if its only 1/10 games

[tired sundial]

*Bishop

[narrow drum]

or just played a waiting move

[cerulean veldt]

I've seen ridiculous m1 hangs before

[void ether]

if my opponent doesn't resign i would promote rook checkmate

[narrow drum]

thats not in 1

[tired sundial]

"Is this puzzle rush"

[void ether]

i prefer the rook ways

[narrow drum]

fair enough then

[terse oriole]

promotion with 2 passers doesnt matter if u hang a mate 😂
but ye promotion to rook rather than queen is good practice

[elfin fjord]

lol its hard to make a grandmaster fall for those u can try tho

[cerulean veldt]

I have m1 hangs in my screenshots somewhere

[tired sundial]

2100 doesn't know simple endgames

[void ether]

they lose all their piece and doesn't resign, i toture them with rooks

[tired sundial]

Are we facing GMs? No

[void ether]

we can actually pulled off the 8 rooks checkmate all in one rank

[terse oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-sadism-suffering-happy-pin-kiv-gif-19470753

😂

[void ether]

if we do the underpromotion to a rook#

[void ether]

love it

[narrow drum]

isnt that impossible?

[narrow drum]

nvm forgot that its possible to have a starting position where your king isnt in your way

[void ether]

underpromotion to a rook checkmate 🗿

[tired sundial]

Looks almost like a Stafford Gambit game

[cerulean veldt]

Don't you love it when you flag a 70 year old gm?

[narrow drum]

yea no but I meant the king must always allow squares, so if your and your opponents king are within 1 file of each other its not possible, but otherwise it is yea

[cerulean veldt]

It came from an Englund https://www.chess.com/game/live/74149347061

[pliant elm]

seventhrank22 (2177) vs. 1cbb (2170)

Move List

1. d4 e5 2. dxe5 d6 3. exd6 Bxd6 4. c4 Nc6 5. Nc3 Qe7 6. e3 Nf6 7. Be2 Bf5 8. Nf3 O-O-O 9. Qa4 Kb8 10. O-O Bg4 11. h3 h5 12. Nb5 Bxf3 13. Bxf3 Qe5 14. Nxd6 Rxd6 15. Bxc6 Rxc6 16. Bd2 Ng4 17. hxg4 hxg4 18. Qb5 [Qh2#] 

[elfin fjord]

yeah but u get my point right? lol

[narrow drum]

or when a 2700 hangs there queen in rapid

[tired sundial]

Eric Rosen made us proud and got many stalemates even against GMs

[subtle wave]

that is direspectful lmao

[elfin fjord]

fair

[cerulean veldt]

He premove trapped Jospem in titled Tuesday once

[tired sundial]

Legend

[upbeat ginkgo]

resigning is dumb

[narrow drum]

this one did hurt though, flagged in easy king and pawn drawn endgame

[terse oriole]

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/73098997891?tab=review

[pliant elm]

M4rvelous (1365) vs. madhusarda (1370)

Move List

1. d4 d5 2. Bf4 g6 3. c4 Nf6 4. Nc3 dxc4 5. Nf3 Bg7 6. e3 b5 7. a4 c6 8. axb5 cxb5 9. Nxb5 O-O 10. Bxc4 a6 11. Nc3 Be6 12. b3 Bxc4 13. bxc4 Nbd7 14. c5 Re8 15. O-O Nb8 16. Na4 Nd5 17. Bg3 f6 18. Qb3 Nc6 19. Nb6 Nb4 20. Nxd5 Nxd5 21. c6 Kh8 22. Rfc1 Nc7 23. d5 e5 24. e4 Nb5 25. Nd2 Qc7 26. Nc4 Nd4 27. Qa4 Ne2+ 28. Kf1 Nxc1 29. Rxc1 a5 30. d6 Qa7 31. c7 Rec8 32. Rd1 Rg8 33. f4 h6 34. fxe5 fxe5 35. Nxe5 Bxe5 36. Bxe5+ Kh7 37. d7 Rgf8+ 38. Ke1 Qf2# 

[undone hound]

No resign ✨

[upbeat ginkgo]

if you resign you should honestly end it all rn

take a rope

put it around your neck

hang yourself

[terse oriole]

🤨

[grim pebble]

I've often been quite hated OTB for not resigning instantly. I do resign if the position is really hopeless, there is no more tricks and my opponent stands above 2100 fide

People often are disgusted by that tho

[undone hound]

👏

[vale pond]

yes it is courteous case closed 🗿 🍷

[upbeat ginkgo]

hang yourself rn

[void ether]

i think we can avoid itt but yea

[upbeat ginkgo]

you too

[undone hound]

Have legal move, play legal move

[vale pond]

where's my lawyer

your just wasting time

[upbeat ginkgo]

resigning is dumb

[undone hound]

Want to see a game I won purely because I didn't resign?

[void ether]

black to move and gain opposition = draw

[upbeat ginkgo]

why are my messages being deleted

[narrow drum]

I know, but clock

[vale pond]

because you're threatening to kill people

not allowed in the server

:/

[upbeat ginkgo]

yeah but the people are dumb

[narrow drum]

are u, by any chance, 11?

[vale pond]

who? saul?

[narrow drum]

yh

[upbeat ginkgo]

ofc im gonna get yelled at for not supporting people that think its courteous to resign

[narrow drum]

neither answer it correct

cos it depends on a couple of factors

[vale pond]

yeh true

[narrow drum]

how lost, what opponent, time situation, etc...

[upbeat ginkgo]

saying youre required to resign is extremely incorrect

[undone hound]

You do not resign even if you're down 3759041054970436733495786423702836 queens

[narrow drum]

it doesnt say youre required to

[vale pond]

how do you even get that many?

[cerulean veldt]

I usually don't fight to the very end. I fight until I have no chance left

[narrow drum]

that does indeed fit on 63 squares, yes

[void ether]

o ye

[undone hound]

Resigning was invented in ____ year.
The year before that:

[sharp patrol]

#NeverResign

[undone hound]

👏

[upbeat ginkgo]

gonna need a board from A1 to ZZZZZZZZZZ208827064576 for that

maybe a bit more

a lot more actually

damn

[sharp patrol]

Lmfaooo

[upbeat ginkgo]

add another 3 Z's

i made a big blunder (real)

A1 to ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ4.32e31

[undone hound]

^

[upbeat ginkgo]

resigning will go extinct at <t:2264046900>

[hushed otter]

no, when im completely losing, i just run the king, and win

[light imp]

never resign

[undone hound]

People on 30 September, 2041:

[hushed otter]

just play the mate out on the board

[undone hound]

Imagine someone is about to play the en passant mate and you resign:

chess.com should make it so that if you resign you lose 10000000000003284775910654186238745 elo

'cause chess isn't for you then

[warm drift]

You should NEVER resign there's always a chance of stalemating, 50 move rule or HUGE blunder, even grandmasters sometimes don't see some things coming, you should never resign

[warped rapids]

NEVER BACK DOWN NEVER WHAT???

[visual creek]

It's good sportsmanship to resign in a lost position. But i don't mind if my opponent wants to fight till the last piece.

However i do resign when i evaluate that the position is utterly lost. I'm just wasting time on both parties if i continue. But that's me. You keep fighting your good fight tho. Hope chess, they call it.

[undone hound]

No one wins by resigning.

[hasty knoll]

Never resign, make your opponent mate you- you'd be surprised how even in completely losing positions you can comeback

[oak arrow]

When I poop I feel a weird pain in the area where my left kidney is

oh wait this isn't the general chat

ignore what I just said

[lunar cradle]

ayo

[haughty moth]

never resign when playing against a lower rated opponent.

otherwise- why not

[vital cedar]

Yes obviously

[harsh spear]

depends on what elo u are

if ur 900 u shouldnt resign

if ur 2800 then u should

[worldly trout]

NEVER SURRENDER

[worthy ivy]

OTB you should

[quiet pelican]

hi chat

[stoic blade]

It is, but below a rating of about 1000 no position is "lost"

[visual creek]

it's worse when you play real people without a clock, on a real wooden board

and they just wont resign and they keep tiring you and hoping your patience will run out and you'll make a blunder

at least online i know their time will eventually run out

[iron quail]

after a certain ELO, I think it's proper to resign, but for 98% of the online player base, it's best to play on so both you and your opponents learn how to convert and defend.

[visual creek]

i mean

when you're not down a whole lot material, you can turn it around

stronger players wont allow you to, but still you can try

but the question of the poll was

if it's a lost position

[paper pawn]

always try

the margin of error for an opponent or you the longer the game goes on grows

so you can take advantage of a mistake if your opponent plays one

[tough monolith]

It is courteous, but it doesn't mean you're showing bad sportsmanship if you don't. The question is pretty misleading imo

[paper pawn]

it's just a poorly phrased poll

[terse oriole]

polls r limited in words, what can u do
people just need to et better at understanding the point of the poll 😂

[hushed otter]

THE WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE WITHOUT ME THAT'S WHY I SHALL NEVER GIVE UP #NEVERRESIGN

[paper pawn]

you should only resign when the position is enevitable

otherwise, no

[high walrus]

here's my rapid all time

a lot of the time when you're losing you probably should play on
but also usually it will come to a position where you see a way for your opponent to just win the game on the spot, and you will know your opponent can see it too
that's where I usually resign

[hushed otter]

You can draw/win a lot of games by continuing play in a loss position by making it complex and being resourceful and threatening tactics, so trying to convince someone to simply resign because of "etiquette" is a sad way to try and make people worse at chess. This whole thing is a patzer topic.

[frozen glacier]

It is courteous because chess is a gentlemens game. You resign in a lost position to avoid wasting your opponents time.

[sharp girder]

Resign = 1 Missed Brilliant(!!) Move!!

[fair fable]

i don't resign because, i'm not a hight chess player, my opponent can make a mistake, and i try to stalemate .
But the great chess players rarely miss in this moment

[distant talon]

I mean it depends if I'm going to lose at least 95% or not but usually when I'm sure I will lose, I resign

[visual creek]

or you know.. be like this guy.

[celest lion]

#ResignToPlay
Not resigning in +3 disadvantages or without any possible counter-attack is extremely dumb at rating 1500+.
You are time wasters.
Wasting your time for defending absolutely lost position without any tactical potential, wasting time of opponent and his nerves to finally checkmate you.
"Resigning, accepting own mistakes - starting new game and raise new interesting experience." - Beinarovych M.A." (Own quote, let's share it)
Any grandmaster won't play lost position, they resign and start new, wonderful party. So, don't waste time of opponent's.

If you want to raise from rating 800 to 1000 and more, I highly recommend to not play lost positions and resign, seeking for tactical advantage in new game full of pieces.
Always know - when you have tactical advantage but you have loosen a piece - do not resign, continue to play and try make more-and-more tactical threats to your enemy. He may suffocate in them and you may start powerful attack with few brilliants, or make a draw while repeating moves.

Just my story - I was on Baklinov's Trustee's Cup at blitz 5/5. I was decent first category player without even FIDE rating. I was placed against Prostyk Svitlana (Candidate Master), I played pretty bad into middlegame, lost one pawn and we got into zeit-not. We defended pretty well, in critical moment she blundered pawn and position was normal. I tried to get her flagged and started do messy things, but she was smarter and eated all my pawns at king-side. After few moments her pawns rushed into my empty side, I sacrificed Knight and we again got into strict Zeit-Not. I've noticed that her king is pretty weak and I was able to force draw by repeating move's. But she blundered checkmate at bad Zeit-Not and I won against CM in first time of my life.

[hushed otter]

"Any grandmaster won't play lost position"

Have you ever watched GM games? Multiple times GMs will play out positions where they are lost if they are still able to create complications, be resourceful, or use the clock to advantage. And even at this level, are able to secure draws or flag. So this is just a false claim entirely lol

Also can I ask, why is it wrong to waste an opponents time? If you waste their time and they run out of it, then you win (or draw depending on position)

So if you're trying to win, wouldn't you be trying to waste your opponents time?

[celest lion]

I watched much grandmaster games, there's no sense to play rapid/classics game while you lost and wait for opponent's blunder.

[celest lion]

Waste of time, I did-not mean flagging opponent, I reached some causes when I gained win in classic games and my opponent was like snake, minute-by-minute, hour-by-hour time passed, my nerves passed as I slowly crushed his position. He did not gained any skill from this, just wasted our time, position was really boring.
But at blitz, I agree that sometimes we have to play in lost positions to flag opponent as I mentioned my story before.

Flagging isn't violation of chess etiquette.

[hushed otter]

GMs do this all the time, especially in endgames to try and hold complex (but losing endgames) and it can often work for them. That's one of the things we compliment players such as Magnus over.

[hushed otter]

" He did not gained any skill from this, just wasted our time"

Yes, but I am asking why is it wrong to waste your opponents time? By doing this you offer yourself more chances to win or draw, by resigning you immediately cut off any chance. Sure, you can accept defeat, but you haven't answer why it's wrong to play on. What makes it wrong to waste opponents time in order to play chess for a win or for a draw?

[celest lion]

I agree at this point, they play complex positions, but much players here are meaning playing in absolutely lost positions, like rook against simple king. Of course, I will play every complex position that I will ever have. But I won't play position's with blundered piece like rook, without any potential

[celest lion]

Just for me, easier to resign "bad" game without potential to win at lost positions. Even if your opponents blunder, will you gain experience from this?

[hushed otter]

"without potential to win at lost positions"
No there is always potential for your opponent to mess up, why is it wrong to play chess for this?

[visual creek]

it's hope chess

hoping your opponent will blunder

[celest lion]

Lets seek for difference, do you have potential, for example in this position?

[visual creek]

its silly

[celest lion]

I will not play this game as white any-way longer.

[high walrus]

I would resign here as white

[celest lion]

It won't teach me.

[hushed otter]

"But I won't play position's with blundered piece like rook, without any potential"
This is bad chess practise. Many games with lost position have potential to make it complex, to flag, to be resourceful and tricky, etc. If you're simply resigning them all, then you are only hurting your own rating lol

[high walrus]

unless the time situation on the clock says otherwise

[hushed otter]

White has potential to draw/win.. this is how chess works

[hushed otter]

Is this not all chess?

[celest lion]

They exactly has no potential to win without enemy mistakes.

Oh.

Blunder.

Enemy must blunder like full idiot.

[hushed otter]

if I want my opponent to lose, then inherently I mean that I want them to blunder, and I try to ensure that happens by making the position complex, making threats, etc. That's the entirety of what playing chess is

[celest lion]

To lose this.

[celest lion]

This position I gonna like to play.

[hushed otter]

"without enemy mistakes."

Right, and every opponent has chances to make mistake

[high walrus]

it kind of also depends on the opponent's rating

[hushed otter]

Not at all

[high walrus]

@hushed otter if I was playing vs a 600 here I wouldn't resign, but against another 2200 rated player I would

[hushed otter]

I don't care what you would do, I was asking why is it WRONG to keep playing?

[celest lion]

Like we talking as CM's? colle-chan has 1800-2000 rating.

[hushed otter]

I don't agree with the premise that not resigning = bad etiqutte

[visual creek]

i mean, blunder, not make an inaccuracy. we all make mistakes sure, but i really rarely see players flat out blunder winning positions, even at my crappy 1.2k elo. but flagging in blitz and bullet is different, that's a whole another story and.. not the topic.

[celest lion]

Wrong to keep playing absolutely lost positions that will not give you any experience.

[hushed otter]

Yes all chess is hoping for opponent blunder, how else you go from starting position to checkmate? Your goal is for opponent to blunder, you try to accomplish this by playing chess moves. Why is this bad etiqutte? No one is able to answer lol

[hushed otter]

Why

[high walrus]

we were talking about different things then

[hushed otter]

This is what mine and Nukes topic is about

[high walrus]

maybe you thought that my message was related to the conversation while I was following up on my previous message
sorry about that

[celest lion]

Right is to resign them and start something new, full of new things and this time you save will give you and to your opponent more experience by playing new game.

[celest lion]

Really, man, you are will play game when here's M2 checkmate and you clearly seeing this?
Will you gain experience from this game?

[tired canopy]

hello there

[visual creek]

again, if you think you can somehow gain an upper hand and still have a fighting chance, by all means go for it. but the topic clearly says, lost position. like down on material and your pieces are in all the wrong places. you can eventually drag this on, but it's poor etiquette.

wasting everyone's time

[celest lion]

Analyse it later, dont waste time of opponent.

One moment when such behaviour is appreciated when opponent has 1-3 seconds on the clock

[hushed otter]

Again, why is it bad etiqutte to waste your opponents time?

[celest lion]

As CM's.

[visual creek]

because time is about the most valuable thing we have. something that has value should not be wasted.

that's rather clear innit

you can be a prick about it tho

[celest lion]

Not a 800 rated blunder masters, okay?

[visual creek]

no rules against it

[hushed otter]

As soon as you agree to a game of chess, you have consented to your time being wasted. Cry more?

If you are so worried about your time being wasted, then resign yourself!

[visual creek]

as i said, i dont mind it that much online as there's a time limit and they can't push it off forever. what i really hate is when i play real people outside with boards and no time controls, that's... so annoying.

[hushed otter]

Then don't play people without time control ? 💀

This is a whole lot of you creating your own problems and then acting like someone is a bad person for beating u with it

[celest lion]

Guy, SOUNDS LIKE STALLING

STALLING ONE OF THE WORST CHESS ETIQUETTE VIOLATION

Okay?

[high walrus]

this conversation is interesting

[celest lion]

Will end right now because I am going to sleep

23:30 for me

[high walrus]

lol

[visual creek]

to be honest, i didn't notice people stall, even in losing positions, lately, before it was a real problem, on chess.com, in rapid games 15min/30min they'd wait till the last second to resign, just so they dont get checkmated

[visual creek]

i can't really force regular dudes to use time controls, as they dont take chess that seriously, and refusing to play them is rude

[hushed otter]

Here's a game I won against 1740... Do I have poor etiquette since my position was completely lost yet I was resourceful and made a win?

Personally IDC if my poisition is lost, I play for complications, for resourceful, etc. and I make a lot of wins/draws out of lost positions

Why is this wrong?

Can someone explain why I was wrong here

[celest lion]

Yes, it was poor etiquette.

[high walrus]

there were chances so not resigning was find here

[hushed otter]

Position was lost

[celest lion]

Okay buddies, sorry for salt discussion

[hushed otter]

The poll asks for lost position

[celest lion]

Coming back tommorow

[high walrus]

but if you notice the king cut off and you still have two pieces

[celest lion]

Good night.

[high walrus]

should have been fine

[hushed otter]

So in other words lost positions can still have ways to create complications and be resourceful?

who would have thought?

[hushed otter]

position was losing for a while and i purposely organised my pieces in this way to be tricky lol

[high walrus]

some lost positions don't have those complicating possibilities

[high walrus]

yeah like playing for tricks

[visual creek]

you are one of those people that would give endless checks to draw a losing position. it's an infuriating part of chess, but it's not against the rules. just like... bad sportsmanship. i personally don't do it

[high walrus]

if they don't work then you probably would resign then

[hushed otter]

Ok? But why is it bad etiquette for me to not have resign?

[hushed otter]

You keep saying its bad etiquette, but refuse to give any irrefutable proof

[visual creek]

i already said it, you are wasting time, and time is valuable

[hushed otter]

People who circle over and over without developing, are also infuriating

[visual creek]

you dont listen

[hushed otter]

Ok so if im wasting someones time in chess, they can resign. If I'm wasting your time, then YOU can stop talking. I won't resign for your convenience, and I won't stop talking in this chat for yours either. Be responsible for your own time <3

[high walrus]

what was the time situation and stuff

[visual creek]

it's a curious topic, and i already agreed to the rules, but i have a right to not like it, as many others

you can be a prick, but that just says something about you

[hushed otter]

low time

[high walrus]

I don't think it was bad

[hushed otter]

So if its not bad etiquette for me to have continued playing in a completely lost position, then why is it bad etiquette for me to not have resigned? continue play = not resigning

[high walrus]

I don't think either was bad

sorry I'm playing a game rn lol

[hushed otter]

Great

That was a lot of texting for you to just concede that its not bad etiquette xd

[high walrus]

I wasn't focused so I'm not as easily able to get my point across 💀

[hushed otter]

No, Keep Playing until you lose, go down like a champ

[undone hound]

Fun fact: checkmate was invented before resigning. People played chess for centuries without resigning.

[viscid bridge]

I have a lot of games that prove you should never resign and I'm sure I'm not the only one

[opal oasis]

agreed

[celest lion]

So, As i recently said, why do we play chess on chess.com?

To increase skill of for fun?

For fun, of course, play to end of game, do not resign to the end.
But if you play for skill, I recommend avoid playing boring, lost position's without counter-attacking potential, resign and start new party instead.

Just in my city it's considered to be bad sportsmanship if you continue to play these "boring" position's, where you can win only by very dumb blunder. Wasting your time and wasting time of your opponent, that you could use to play new game, go eat/drink something or another thing's that necessary at 4 hours long tournament.

[hushed otter]

its ok i sent an example game and Nuke was still convinced I should have resigned xd

[hushed otter]

@viscid bridge is kinda funny to me

my position was losing sure but i was resourceful with my pieces and made a win, but apparently I should have resigned and I had poor etiquette xd

[hushed otter]

Sorry guys! I just couldn't bring myself to resign, deep down I am a trier <3

where some people like @celest lion might resign, I keep playing the position

game continued g5 Re8 Nxe8 Qxe8 Kg7 Re1 Qf6 g4?! (wanting Re7 Kh6 Qh5#) Qf8! (now 0.00) Re7 Kg8 now a black win!

dont resign, be resourceful... or you're just playing bad chess

[celest lion]

Honestly I did'nt got the point, can you post images of critical moves?

[hushed otter]

follow the moves?

[celest lion]

If position is interesting, I gonna play it.

[hushed otter]

set it up on a board and look at it?

[celest lion]

Following, I literally have no idea how can you move g5 in this position

[hushed otter]

think of how a pawn moves

[celest lion]

I think

Auuww, I see

Okay.

[hushed otter]

the idea is white wants to play Re8 Nxe8 Qf8#

so you play g5 as to guard f6 and to protect f8

its the best way for black to continue

g5 Re8 Nxe8 Qxe8 Kg7 white tries this, where my only escape is Kg7

and then white goes Re1 wanting Re7

so I play Qf6 as to play Kh6 or Qxe7

they play g4 as to allow Re7 if Kh6 then Qh5, enforcing Qe7

however I have Qf8, which allows me to play Kg8

i force a trade of queens

and then go b6 / Bb7

and my position ends up being fine now

so I successfuly defended a position thats completely lost, because my opponent messed up

but i should have resigned i guess xd

just wondering why i was supposed to resign

and that if i had listened to you guys, and resigned, i wouldnt have won

[celest lion]

Goddamn.. wait..

I cant see, WTF happened here

[hushed otter]

bro

[celest lion]

g4 is really blunder

[hushed otter]

g4 is very intuitive

they missed that you need to play Re7 Kh6 g4 instead

[celest lion]

Sacrificing rook was bad in this position.

[hushed otter]

no it wasnt

its completely winning

[celest lion]

I gonna play position after rook sacrificing.

And before

[hushed otter]

but in any case

blundere

bad

from a lost position

so why should i have resigned?

[celest lion]

Its quality loss, black even winning by material.

[hushed otter]

but why should i have resigned?

[celest lion]

I won't resign this.

[hushed otter]

ok, so in agreement then

[celest lion]

Yea'

I don't know how to vote in poll then.

Like, yes, but..

[hushed otter]

to me it doesnt matter if resign is courteous or not, resigning lost positions is directly hurting your elo by not taking chances to complicate the position and sneak a win/draw instead of accepting elo loss

so to teach that you should resign cause of etiquette is teaching bad chess play

[celest lion]

Okay, I'd rather play to end to rest of my life than resign every lost position, by the way.

[hushed otter]

you shouldn't resign at all, otherwise is bad chess

[celest lion]

Yeah, thats it.

Elo matters

[young idol]

NEVER SURRENDER

FIGHT TO THE DEATH

[celest lion]

After FIDE elo appeared I dont care much about chess com blitz/bullet

But rapid

))

[hushed otter]

ah ye this is 10+0

trying to get to 2k atm

[celest lion]

Same))

[midnight cypress]

yeah, because everything can happen

[celest lion]

After losing game grab a Queen from board and punch it into ene.. oh, it's not OTB party..

[gray bison]

Depends on time control and rating

Typically anything can happen in faster tcs online, not to mention mouseslips and taking advantage of premoves

[high walrus]

yeah here I don't think you should resign because there's still a way for white to mess it and you're also not even losing on material so if you somehow manage to escape your king (which is what happened) you'll be fine

[hushed otter]

its a lost position

so it counts

[high walrus]

Yeah it’s lost
I already thought it counts

[hushed otter]

Only if the position is completely lost I will resign. (eg forced checkmate or extremely lopsided in terms of material) If I see an opportunity to turn things around despite being in a bad position ofc I’ll keep on playing. The resignation is also apart of my respect for whoever I’m playing, chess is hard and we are all in this together.

[restive basin]

In daily games you certainly should if you feel it’s dead lost.

[trail pasture]

If it's bad but complicated you keep playing if it's just bad you resign

[eternal garden]

i say don’t resign as long as there’s still a chance your opponent will make a mistake

[thin prism]

dont resign

[hushed otter]

found another "resign if your position is lost!!!!" bs, (this is from chess.com, trust)

i had a completely losing endgame like down a queen but i was able to push pawns and make things complicated with 2 knights

i traded one knight off so its not here, but i was able to push the position to where my opponent thinks for a while low on time and then plays Rb5 hoping to just elminate the knight but allowing BxR to make things winning for me

literally just always play for complications, make threats, people fk up

i just threaten perpetual and bro gives me a rook

mb its not perpetual Nc2 is mate from here as well if promotion

[hushed otter]

another one on chess.com blitz (i swear)

im completely lost... I should resign apparently

but then Qxh5??? xD

its p funny

i just move my knight to h5 and bro takes it with the queen

just exd6 is crushing

cc 1700s are insane

@celest lion pinging u btw

[celest lion]

Goddamn hell

WTF

[hushed otter]

Qxh5 Nxb3 Kd1 Qxc2 Ke1 Qxd2 (reason to go Nxb3) and then Kf1 Rc1 is mating

its so funnily dumb blunder

all u need to do

is be a bit resourceful

make dumb threats

and u can win

1700 cc

[celest lion]

This guy was blunder master

[hushed otter]

i get these over and over again, ive been sending them here lmao

1700s rating pool

[celest lion]

No way he can't win I thought..

[hushed otter]

dont resign fools its bad chess yur just losing rating

dont let people tell u that morally u need to play bad chess

theyrer dumb

[celest lion]

Today I was won without Queen.

In CC

But OTB

[hushed otter]

i played in some tournament here with chess.com merch

the thing i put my keys on is chess.com

i won a bunch of it lmao

[celest lion]

Lol

I was playing on city championship recently

[hushed otter]

do u resign in those games in positions like this

[celest lion]

I wasn't even resigning.

[hushed otter]

so u play until finished each game

[celest lion]

Those who was my lose, I ended with checkmate.

Yes

A couple of surprises.

[hushed otter]

thats funny

so when you're like trying your best

you dont resign

in other words, if you just resign yur not trying

bad chess

[celest lion]

Everyone just trying to seek for draw option

Exactly, yes

[cerulean veldt]

well a lot of 1700s don't even know to play Bg7 after g6 against wayward queen so they're completely shit

they play g6 then Bc5 later

[restive cedar]

There are three options:

1. Resign
2. Fight
3. Leave and let them wait for the timer to run out

Between those, leaving is objectively the worst option. As long as you don't do that, fighting is good

[celest lion]

Third option is war crime, and you will be banned for it.

[restive cedar]

Fair enough

[celest lion]

War crimes in chess))

[left lion]

yeah you should expecially when you are playing in long games since you can rest your mind

[dark osprey]

🏳️ I resign

[night holly]

Lol

[celest wasp]

If you resign you could lose the opportunity to win the game

even an insignificant chance

especialy if you want to increase your elo

[stoic blade]

yes, although in extreme cases, the chance of potentially increasing elo from this game is possibly outweighed by the ability to start another game sooner

[unkempt gull]

At most levels of chess, I would argue that it isn't courteous to resign. It's okay to resign out of tilt or by an impulse decision, but "resigning" isn't something you typically do in most games anyway out of respect.

I say "at most levels" because most of the time you shouldn't trust your opponent to checkmate you without accidently stalemating you. Most titled players (or over 2000 elo) won't blunder a stalemate by accident so it's okay to resign there.

[hushed otter]

@celest lion from a cc game just now

should i have resigned?

xD

[celest lion]

Wait a little bit

Auww I remember

Idk??

I am now a little bit tired

[lapis nova]

depends on time situation

[stoic blade]

correspondence/daily chess

if referring to that most recent image

[stoic blade]

depends on opponent rating, really. I've had games where I had, like, king and 3 pawns against king bishop and 2 pawns... and won.

on the other hand, the fact that white is intentionally sacrificing for your last piece implies they have more of an idea what they're doing than my opponent did in that game

[hushed otter]

depends

on your position

[fair fable]

depends so much

[stoic blade]

that too yes

it's like, how lost is it, what time control, what rating

and how much money is on the line

[graceful ocean]

it depends if u have counterplay

[frozen glacier]

You should resign in a lost position because it’s just time wasting from then on

Chess is a gentlemen’s game

Sportsmanship

[unkempt gull]

You never know when your opponent stalemates you though. It's just how you like to play chess.

[hasty knoll]

This is true, I'm around 1200 and my opponents in clearly winning positions have stalemated - it's not common but it can happen

[frozen glacier]

It’s just time wasting though

The time it takes to stalemate are the time you can use to play another game

[quiet pelican]

no

[somber widget]

That depends

If you’re 500, being down a full queen without an ounce of compensation means absolutely nothing

If you’re losing by 0.4 to magnus carlson, you should probably resign.

[bright ruin]

Hope for stalemate

Then sacrifice all pawns and bishop and knight

[honest valley]

Well I guess resigning when is a obviously lost position is not only a courtesy is a token of respect to your opponent. I often deal with people that see theirselves in completely lost games/positions and person "chooses" to loose on time because he or she doesn't have the guts to Resign a game.
I guess this is lack of sportsmanship good behave, and worse a total disrespect because when you do this kind of thing is the same as getting up from table without greeting your opponent for game. One thing is to loose for seconds on clock... other (in a blitz game) is to let your opponent there 1, 2 minutes hanging, just wait for victory. Victory is nice but politeness too.

[paper pawn]

that's how you interpret it

some people might think "I'll give them the honors of checkmating me"

and so on