Queen vs 2 Rooks

[hasty mauve]

[deep harness]

first

[hollow cape]

Fork with queen

[hasty mauve]

answers here

[limber eagle]

both

[deep harness]

2 rooks

[hasty mauve]

pls

[wind elbow]

2

[deep harness]

WWW

[hasty mauve]

thanks

lol

[limber eagle]

I prefer both

[craggy thicket]

bozo failed

[uncut kelp]

Rocks all day

[livid root]

queen frfr

[mighty jetty]

Pee

[deep harness]

2 rooks

[zenith python]

if you choose queen you are sub2k

[deep harness]

Queeb

[tawdry pecan]

my friend could have beaten someone with 2 rooks if he didn't bludner them

[zinc oar]

Queen is more slay, thus I prefer her

[versed fiber]

Just sacrifice THE ROOOOOOK

[grave pasture]

queens are just cooler

[limber eagle]

Also 2 rooks are technically stronger than a queen

[gleaming oyster]

queen

[hasty mauve]

fax no printer

[grave pasture]

they look cool

[lilac flicker]

A Queen controlls Mord squares

[sleek tree]

cause im not a simp

[lilac flicker]

*more

[deep harness]

Queen

[deep harness]

So magnus carlsen is sub 2k?

[marble heart]

Queen bros

[zenith python]

2 rooks obv

[limber eagle]

ooh a nyan cat pfp

[digital lava]

two rooks because i am not a simp

[waxen verge]

2 rooks pls I love ladder mates. all my mates be hanging out on and around some cool ladders

[zenith python]

sry mb

[toxic temple]

Queen is just, intimidates your opponent

[static stag]

Queen because it can checkmate alone and also fork. Also the queen is just the queen

[deep harness]

Qyeen

[manic geyser]

2 rooks, for protection

[polar orchid]

if you pick queen you're sub2k

[narrow scarab]

rook if its my turn to move queen if not

[hasty mauve]

ME QUEEN OPPONENT NO QUEEN ME WINNING. OOGA BOOGA <- that's me every game

[deep harness]

Queen

Qyeen

[slender blade]

Ladder Mate

[deep harness]

2 queens because you can consume more pawnd and if you mess up with the first, you still have another rook to eat more with

Queen

queen is miles better

[lucid jolt]

Look in #🏆〡best-games for my rook sacrifice

[cyan timber]

BOTH

[deep harness]

I prefer to have 2 rooks because 5+5 is more than 9, the 2 rooks can give a faster checkmate, can guard multiple positions and if one is lost, you can still give a checkmate with the other one.

Queen

[patent siren]

If rooks to move then 2

[deep harness]

Queen

Qyeen

[pale peak]

2 sticks are better then a stone

[quartz locust]

I'm a f**king noob, gimme the queen.

[deep harness]

Qyeen

[fringe stone]

the bishop

[toxic veldt]

Queen because

[livid root]

id say 2 rooks and 2 queens

[deep harness]

Queen

Queen

Queen

[brittle viper]

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[deep harness]

Im about to write the biggest massage of my life

[west terrace]

2 ruks idiots

[stiff hill]

2 rooks will almost always be superior to 1 queen, depending on the position obv

[hasty mauve]

get some roles pp

[deep harness]

Where

Queen

if the rooks are on the 7th rank then 2 rooks

Wyeen

[marble heart]

If theres pawns left id rather have queen if just queen and rooks then rooks

[void raptor]

You could fork the rooks with a queen

[devout valve]

fork

[wind elbow]

I prefer 71 queens and 3 kings personally

[velvet tusk]

2 rooks mainly because 10>9
more serious context would be the fact that 2 rooks is just better to limit the enemy's king's movement

[deep harness]

shutup

[steady lotus]

2 rooks are bit better

[deep harness]

shutup

shutup

shutup

[jolly coral]

I sure do love 2 big black stick in me

[deep harness]

shutup

shutup

shutup

[steady lotus]

no

[lusty oriole]

I'd take 2 rocks so I can throw onw at the enemy king and if he catches it I'll just throw the other one

[steady lotus]

no

[sleek summit]

If there are more than two pawns, I'll choose a queen. If there's nothing left or only one pawn left, I'll choose two rooks

[steady lotus]

nono

n

ono

no

[wide fjord]

Reason I would pick 2 rooks is because you can pin pieces to the king ladder mate use 1 rook with a checkmate and if u pin queen and win it with one rook you can still win with one rook so tats why I pick 2 Rooks

[steady lotus]

noon

onnn

oon

[deep harness]

😭

[hasty mauve]

Me queen opponent no queen me winning ez

[elfin sundial]

2 rooks because you can do several types of checkmates

[stiff hill]

2 rooks alone will be much more intimidating than one lone queen

[steady lotus]

agreed

[livid root]

true your right but theres something special about king and pawn against an entire 8 pawns and 2 rooks with a queen

[jolly coral]

Yall aint crative at all

[hasty mauve]

kekw

[eager warren]

queen has lots of oppertunities for forking with check

[deep harness]

Im gonna tryhard 1 sec

[hasty mauve]

lol

[uncut kelp]

2 rocks cause less chance of stalemate, also rocks are worth 10 Queen is worth 9. But IRL tho I would chose a Queen cause she is all I want ❤️

[jolly coral]

Who doesnt like 2 sticks inside them

[silver flume]

queen is more fun. thats it.

[high saffron]

2 rooks can protect each others.

[wind elbow]

ur name is jimmer, ur parents aren't creative either

[torn magnet]

As Levy said, it depends on the position. As a pisslow player, Queen because girlboss asserts dominance by stalemating myself after being up 10 points 😎

[clever cloud]

neither bcs i am gona blunder both rooks/queen anyway in endgame

[deep harness]

In an Endgame, Two rooks are better since there are less pieces on the board and the two rooks and move freely around the board supporting more than one pawn and at the same time stopping the opponent's pawns from promoting.

[hasty mauve]

yall saying 2 rooks and yet losing in the poll smh

[formal hinge]

Two rooks because they can work together

[exotic silo]

2

[latent rivet]

Queen more mobile easier to fork and maneuver

[grave pasture]

let's say you have two 22lr pistols, and one 32 acp, which one do you choose to kill another person tasked with the same option, what do you choose?

[left hazel]

both

[sonic ingot]

2 rooks are 10 points and a queen is 9 points, who are we to argue against the top, plus 2 facing rooks are a menace, since its an endgame, there arent many pieces, so its not hard for them to face eachother any time they want, and its much safer to get close to the king

[pearl imp]

Queen, the chance that you blunder it is way lower 💀. Only have to focus on 1 piece (and of course dont blunder the king 🫠)

[polar orchid]

server's full of 500 elos what can you do 😔

[exotic silo]

2

[split hearth]

Do you want to brag about saccing your queen and winning the endgame, or be the one being laughed at for getting a full queen but losing the endgame? I think answer is clear

[waxen verge]

if you were in a medieval and you managed to trap your opponent in your own castle I think the mental stress would kill them

[viscid shard]

The ROOOOOOOOK!!!!!!!!!

[simple scarab]

queen can pin and more crative spots. easier to move and 1 piece better than 2 pieces

[torn magnet]

Cannot beat the girlboss stalemate

[solemn kraken]

Queens can corner the opposing king

[eager warren]

i prefer neither, since they are gone in the UK and USA

[swift viper]

the queen it checks you until you die or lose on time or lose both rooks because of fork

[jolly coral]

Bro nahhh bro got a kirby pfp and judging ppl discord tag

[deep harness]

so can rooks

[hasty mauve]

kekw

[jolly coral]

dawg

wth

[pure path]

a queen, we know how to mate with a king a queen, rooks add alot of variablities, but ig both are good.

[modest kiln]

2 rooks cuz at least I can't botez gambit

[waxen verge]

imagine you have two incredibly powerful soldiers and the enemy king is stuck on a tiny ladder screaming

[neat pike]

2 Rooks, Coordinate better and more winning chances

[high saffron]

I thought rook was 4.5 💀

[hasty mauve]

I think the two rooks are harder to coordinate

[solemn kraken]

also easier to maneuver cuz diagonals

[hasty mauve]

but then again I suck

exactly sam

[solemn kraken]

true

[deep harness]

yeah neither are bad

[silver flume]

no piece has decimals

[uncut kelp]

we have to be vocal about it, looks like rigged elections

[viscid shard]

The ROOOOOOOK!!!!!!!!!!

[tired goblet]

100% percent two rooks, two rooks control more squares and can work together more effectively than a queen

[eager warren]

get better

[wind elbow]

can't like the Kirby series anymore fr

[hasty mauve]

@uncut kelp STOP THE COUNT

[pure path]

well, ig if you blunder one you can always mate again.

[hasty mauve]

KEKW

fair enough

[manic nova]

anitta

[hasty mauve]

what

[deep harness]

true, but it's easier to mate with two rooks than a queen

[manic nova]

can u help me on smth?

[light ibex]

Rooks are cooler because no one needs diagonals. Chad Rooks just go brrrrr down the only open file, winning you that sweet sweet, blunder filled, sweat inducingly stressful... opening because you're like 200 ELO. Also what's great for the rooks is you can't blunder your queen if you never had one. 2 points for Gryffindor.

[eager warren]

2 rooks, because we can sack one of them and still mate with the other

[hasty mauve]

yall gotta connect if your name is Just Joined

get some roles

[wind elbow]

some people consider bishop 3.5

[austere scarab]

2 rooks because more pieces is always better

[brittle viper]

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[tired goblet]

100% percent two rooks, two rooks control more squares and can work together more effectively than a queen

[deep harness]

if 2 players go againgst eachother, one having rooks and one having a queen, theres a big chance the queen one will win

[jolly coral]

Yall hear me out. You have a choice between literally 2 castles or a women thats op

[modern roost]

Queen, you can force a trade if the opponent has a queen

[jolly coral]

Why queen

Just sac

[torn magnet]

Queen can go anywhere and has no idea where to go or what to do, just like me. We have so much in common

[solemn kraken]

lmao

[hasty mauve]

ok tal

[jolly coral]

Boring piece fr

[deep harness]

but it's two rooks

[coarse tangle]

two rooks, so i can become gotham chess

[pure path]

I changed my anwser!

[solemn kraken]

[hasty mauve]

damn ok the poll is getting closer yall are still losing tho

[silver flume]

its not official so i dont rlly see it that way, also knight and bishop are equal to me

[wind elbow]

2 rooks doesn't always lose

[royal yew]

Two rooks can stay in constant defense, ladder mate, and push promoting pawns at the same time

[modern roost]

rooks so that I can HE SACRIFISES THE ROOK and mate with the other

[hasty mauve]

THE ROOOOOOOOOOOOK

[quiet garnet]

Neither, since the USA doesn't have the towers and britain doesn't have the queen

[deep harness]

yeah sure but i think its easier to take the rookws with the queen than taking the queen with rooks

[hasty mauve]

no but fr queen op

[modern roost]

ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK

[high saffron]

The reason I choose two rooks is because they can protect each others if the queen's going to take the other rook.

[modern roost]

where's my diamond now

[torn magnet]

Queen because I have a custom chess set where the queen is replaced by Beyonce 😎

[stuck shell]

A queen is only 1 piece, which limits the reach and potential of moves. The queen can move down 2 files, but is vulnerable to knights and protected rooks and bishops. A Queen cannot be taken by a king though, as it as a 3x3 area around it stopping any 1-piece movement in the area. 2 Rooks have far more reach and also can checkmate via ladder checkmate much quicker then a queen and king/pawn. 2 Rooks also can threaten much more because it a, is 2 pieces and b, can control 2 entire files and/or column. This is also why 2 rooks are worth 10 points together and a Queen is worth 9.

[solemn kraken]

does that make the queen more easier to use instead of a single rook

[jolly coral]

Bro actually why queen or rooks. The bishops are the OG

[hasty mauve]

hhm

[solemn kraken]

true

[uncut kelp]

Queen is taller, I give you that... 🥺

[bleak heath]

Nice I know I can't win this 😅

[modern roost]

two rooks

[coarse tangle]

actually.. I prefer 9 pawns, a queen cant beat 9 pawns so i win

[modern roost]

or a queen

[hasty mauve]

yeah but 2 pieces harder to coordinate than 1

[deep harness]

it's not about taking the other piece its about the mate

[silver flume]

idk, double lanes are cool but diagonals are cooler

[modern roost]

i prefer 2 kings

[hoary knot]

2 rooks can have more range and is easier for me

[hasty mauve]

i will blunder all of them fr

[polar hollow]

queen all day baby, fork them pieces with the LADY

[waxen sage]

personally queen

[hasty mauve]

ok no nooses pls

[modern roost]

2 rooks, you can force a trade with 1

[hasty mauve]

funny but no nooses

[slender cipher]

you can ladder

[deep harness]

depending on the position two rooks is definitely better than a queen

damn

[stuck shell]

Yes but it's like a double-edged blade, it also gives a couple extra lines for your enemy to calculate

[hasty mauve]

KEKW

[jolly coral]

I aint reading allat

[hasty mauve]

dude forgot to delete the chat gpt answer

[coarse tangle]

no you cant

[silver flume]

chatgpt sounding ass

[manic nova]

lmao

[gaunt moss]

a mom can control 2 kids easier

[manic nova]

troll msg

[polar hollow]

[bleak heath]

But Anitta it's depend on endgame and pawn structure so how can I say queen or two rook

[deep harness]

[hot sphinx]

[hasty mauve]

"certainly heres a revised version of my previous response: "

KEKW

[stuck shell]

Are you sure about that?

[waxen sage]

are all pawns men or women

[manic nova]

that's the whole reason to troll

[uncut kelp]

Rocks will win!

[worthy vigil]

The reason i pick the queen is obviously becauses its the queen and
i feel that the Queen is much better in a scenario if the rooks arent already inter-connected if u know what i mean as the queen can just force a easy taking of rook if they arent connected but if rook are connected it might be closer but i would still pick the queen overall

[proud marten]

a Queen can more easily fork king and rook so I prefer a Queen

[silver flume]

king is happier with a gf than two kids, therefore queen better

[pure path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhqslboBUug&ab_channel=SaintLouisChessClub This is a 50 minute video about rook tactics, and more people will be able to convert with two pieces vs only 1, some people don't know how to convert with a queen. More pieces ussally means a better conversion rate. but if its two rooks vs a knight and a bishop its a draw (most of the time) but a queen vs a knight and a bishop is a win.

[hot sphinx]

🪨

[hasty mauve]

chat gpt wont win you diamond you gotta be creative

[gaunt moss]

depends on their age i guess 😂

[viscid shard]

2 rook coz i always blunder the queen also i like the ROOOOOOOK!!!!!!

[modern roost]

yes you check them till backrank if it's 1 queen vs 2 rooks

[torn magnet]

2 rooks means twice the peaces for me to blunder. Also, can't Botez gambit with 2 rooks

[solemn kraken]

def

[hasty mauve]

and clearly human

[modern roost]

then they have to trade

[silver flume]

tru

[pure path]

was i creative?

[hasty mauve]

if I think it might have been a bot yall aint winning

[swift steeple]

rooks are better because they're more fun

[solemn kraken]

eh

[manic nova]

I Think It Would Be The Rooks Because It Can Make A Thread And If U Can Push Him To The Corner It Would Be A Easy Win.

[jolly coral]

Hear me out again guys. Marie Antoinette ain't saving Napoleon

[hasty mauve]

[torn magnet]

How creative do we have to be I've rattled off like 5 answers already 😂😂

[mellow rivet]

rooks are cool, i like rooks, they're fun but a queen is more practical sometimes

[royal yew]

Rooks, they are moving walls and have much more options in terms of checkmate, also it'll be harder to stalemate with a king and two rooks (Unless you're stupid liek me hehe)

[silver flume]

https://tenor.com/view/galaxy-galaxy-brain-perndorfer-meme-uw-u-gif-26321098

[stuck shell]

Ngl 2 kids can be handled by a mother if they work together, and in the event someone invades the house they will viciously murder the attacker using their fangs and claws.

[bleak heath]

I did vote for Queen but can I say where I will like two rook and Queen? Or I need to tell only about Queen?

[hasty mauve]

idk man I'll re-read the thread as always after the event ends

[solemn kraken]

we have lots to argue on, chat isnt gonna die @hasty mauve

[uncut kelp]

lmao that is first thing i taught about when saw tat long msg, wanted to ask what AI model he used

[swift steeple]

besides it's basically tryharding to have the queen just fork all the pieces

[magic schooner]

A Queen makes it easier to use tactics. Forks and such.

[pure path]

fine ill be funny

[lunar briar]

mostly it deppends upon the pawn structure/value and associated king safety in the position
but if its pure queen vs 2 rooks, id like to take 2 rooks over the queen

in that scenario, itd be about endgame skills, and the person with the queen is most likely to blunder king safety cause of less pieces, sure it might be little difficult to coordinate 2 rooks, but once u get the hang of it, you will hv impenetrable fortress, same defo cant be said for the queen. and the person with 2 rooks can decide the draw, cause of more pieces and more options to shuffle around and play it along, the better the players r, the better theyll be with 2 rooks over the queen
in 2 rooks vs queen endgamr, the person with queen is never playing for a win, whereas the person with 2 rooks can try to play for the win, only thing needed to handle the 2 rook system is a littl ebit experience and endgame knowledge

[hasty mauve]

you can say whatever about the debate

[manic nova]

@hasty mauve

[hasty mauve]

[swift steeple]

queens are easier but rook checkmates are better

[gaunt moss]

naughty Twin>mom

[hasty mauve]

imlegitmoon whats up

[torn magnet]

Aight I'll wait and see,if I don't win I'll send a pic of myself holding hands with a human sized queen chesse piece for next time

[solemn kraken]

[manic nova]

it's unlimited to post thinking right?

[hasty mauve]

[stuck shell]

Twin stronk

hive mind

[manic nova]

the things I am trying to say

[opaque escarp]

the rock

[bleak heath]

Okay I may do that tomorrow :)

[silver flume]

alright, hear me out

a pawn can promote into a queen, which goes from male to female

trans rights: the chess move

[solemn kraken]

eh

[hasty mauve]

yeah sure

[jolly coral]

kitty

[dusty apex]

2 rooks bc its way easier to checkmate

[hasty mauve]

[modern socket]

I'd say queen since I enjoy pinning or sckwerring, however you say it lol

[torn magnet]

Did you just assume the gender of pawn

[cold pilot]

if my opponent still has a queen in the endgame, ill pick 2 rooks, because i have a pretty high chance of skewering the queen and still being able to mate with one rook if i manage to take the other pieces and if the pawn structure is in my favour

[pure path]

if a man tries to take to get 2 man childs you win because they are still drunk after saturday so you always win!

[silver flume]

in spanish its "peón" which is male, thats my base

[torn magnet]

Pawn is obviously unisex, anybody can be cannon fodder

[viscid shard]

https://tenor.com/view/akshay-kumar-meme-bollywood-bhagam-bhag-gif-16994809

I need permanent diamond not for 1 month

[hasty mauve]

is that nepo

[modern socket]

A knight for forking a queen and king are always cool

[bleak heath]

Cute! You can also send it here #1104006325307965501 :)

[hasty mauve]

he looks like nepo

[gaunt moss]

love my mom more than my brothers, so a queen it is

[pure path]

easy solution pay for it!

[lucid steeple]

Nepo 💀

[silver flume]

that exists?

[buoyant rock]

A queen because you could make your opponents pawns disapere.
Two rooks is also good but not as fun as the queen

[royal yew]

Rook checkmates are easier and are worth more in material advantage and are able to check/checkmate easier

[torn magnet]

We sac our women equally here

[jolly coral]

Nah its 2 rooks in disguise

[polar hollow]

why does he look like nepo

[viscid shard]

No just saying

[hasty mauve]

permanent diamond either come work for chess.com or get a title

it does exist

[jolly coral]

Therefore 2 rooks are better than a queen

[hasty mauve]

titled players, mods and staff

[uncut kelp]

Guys if Queen wins I will sac it next game, don't tease me

[opaque escarp]

imagine fighting to defeat your opponent on the battlefield and suddenly becoming the kings wife

[hasty mauve]

I get perma diamond

[pure path]

alright

[lucid steeple]

AYOO

[manic nova]

Anitta

[viscid shard]

Oh lol

[high saffron]

Two rooks because they can protect each others >

[pure path]

FR?

[lucid steeple]

That’s wild

[manic nova]

Is There A Rank For Yts?

[hasty mauve]

for what

[lucid steeple]

YouTubers

[royal yew]

I second this statement

[hasty mauve]

oh

[dusty apex]

can we get a bot that when a messege gets 5 reactions it goes on a starboard that normal poeple cant see but you can look at the starboard and look at messeges that have 5 or more reactions

[hasty mauve]

not really

[royal yew]

also this one

[silver flume]

"here is your reward, pawn" bends the knee amd pulls out a crown

[manic nova]

oh..

[jolly coral]

Damn I gotta work for chess.com (I haven't gone outside since i started playing chess)

[hasty mauve]

oh

[gaunt moss]

2 rooks maybe, so if i blunder 1, i still have another

[pure path]

anitta! yk im looking for a job all you need to do is provide infinte diamond and ill be the two rooks vs a queen!

[hasty mauve]

that's a smart thing

[manic nova]

I beaten and posted like 8 bots

[lunar briar]

carl is on the server, sb is just not set up

[hasty mauve]

imma note that down yes we can

[dusty apex]

it already exists starboard bot

[uncut kelp]

Weird flex, but hella good flex not gonna lie

[solemn kraken]

[dusty apex]

but for that one u gotta use ⭐

[opaque escarp]

i think queen vs 2 rooks might be a draw

[hasty mauve]

you can also do #1090365050067365948

[torn magnet]

Discord server mods too?

[solemn kraken]

damn

[opaque escarp]

depends if theres kings or not in said position

[hasty mauve]

most mods are mods in other places too we have a whole selection process

[bleak heath]

Sad that Anitta will have too much to read

[jolly coral]

queen's 9 elixir its too expensive bro

[silver flume]

"ah shit, i dont own a king"

[lunar briar]

i doubt this one would go to 3k messages tbh :jo

[hasty mauve]

archer queen >

[torn magnet]

Yeah I'm probably gonna apply then perma diamond would be so nice lol

[opaque escarp]

edited the message

[silver flume]

and rooks are 10

[manic nova]

Anitta

[hasty mauve]

@jolly coral we have a clan btw if you want in

[torn magnet]

Archer queen with Chess queen skin >>>

[viscid shard]

Chess.com should add in game coins to buy cool boards skins and stuff

[manic nova]

Do u guys give for yes when they promote chess.com?

Yts*

[bleak heath]

Lol

[jolly coral]

I don't play clash royale much i mostly play coc

[hasty mauve]

we have a streamer program

[solemn kraken]

yeahhh

[viscid shard]

Why?

[hasty mauve]

kekw

[manic nova]

ooh

[lunar briar]

is just a simple english word disguised 😂
easy to crack if uk what u r looking for

[dusty apex]

W

[opaque escarp]

No

[manic nova]

can small yts use that?

[bleak heath]

Also Anitta to get membership by winning people should be connected?

[silver flume]

shut up shut uP SHUT UP SHUT UP

[viscid shard]

In game coins bro

[opaque escarp]

Dont give them ideas

[dusty apex]

should i buy bloon td 6

[hasty mauve]

it's mostly for twitch! I'll link you, one second

[jolly coral]

Why

[pure path]

if rook i have another a rook has a king you mate https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1102880752145801287.gif?size=64

[solemn kraken]

br

[opaque escarp]

Same

[viscid shard]

Bruuuh

[lunar briar]

i not gonna just give u the answer, otherwise whatll be th epoint of oding it 😂

[hasty mauve]

https://www.chess.com/article/view/chess-streamer @manic nova

[pure path]

stfu worst opening ever

[mystic anchor]

because a tower is just material and queen is people

[manic nova]

I have Twitch acc that I never used

[solemn kraken]

[viscid shard]

White (btw i am not racist)

[solemn kraken]

same man

[lunar briar]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-smile-evil-evil-laugh-gif-14398336

[solemn kraken]

you need to be streaming

to have the status

[manic nova]

I'll from now

[hasty mauve]

anyway. queen op

ez

[waxen sage]

its all about personal preferences doesn't make you anything

[opaque escarp]

think about it, the rooks will just defend eachother and possibly repeat moves until its a draw

[coarse girder]

A rook(tower) doesnt have feeling or emotions

[solid tiger]

@hasty mauve queen cuz why not

[gaunt moss]

a queen so it's more satisfying to blunder

[hasty mauve]

KEKW

[pure path]

but botez gambit mean draw

[lunar briar]

😂 😂

[deep harness]

The queen, because its more accessible to the board, also it's easier to control it

It depend on time and king's vulnerability. If you have little time coordinating the rookd will be tough, and if the king is vulnerable the queen is likely to for a rook in the process. Considering that is an endgame , and no other pieces are remaining, rooks are generally better , because the threats that the queen can cause dissipate. In addition, it is likely that your rooks have chances to coordinate and defend themselves, and find many mating patterns that, with only the Queen you can't. Moreover , is easier I think to promote pawns with 2 rooks in your size rather than a queen. Because if you waste time with the pawn is possible to force an exchange of a rook for the queen and then win the game, in pro of avoiding your pawn to promote or something. I think it has more chances. Also engined proved in more games (as far as I know) that rooks are more effective thab a queen. Nevermind, I forgot I'm not stockfist.

[silver flume]

botez gambit? that exists?

[silver flume]

no

[pure path]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1102880752145801287.gif?size=64

[gaunt moss]

tldr

[lunar briar]

no pins today??

[solid tiger]

@hasty mauve two rooks cuz i prefer two homies over one girl

[lunar briar]

😂

[solemn kraken]

[royal yew]

W

[slow magnet]

queen

[manic nova]

@hasty mauve I am mobile what streaming software shall I use?

[jolly coral]

Bro i would've chose queen if it looked like this

[hasty mauve]

it's all in the article I linked you

[pure path]

two rooks because kissing the homies goodnight isnt gay. @hasty mauve

[solemn kraken]

i dont reckon streaming on mobile

[silver flume]

queen bc 9 points of material and not 10, therefore its harder

[deep harness]

I could be your religion, yes 😃

[solid tiger]

@hasty mauve Queen cuz im a simp

[hasty mauve]

fair

[jolly coral]

legit baddie fr

[opaque escarp]

New chess update

[lunar briar]

is that a valk skin, or did they make a valk queen like hero or something?

[manic nova]

so no streaming in mobile?

[jolly coral]

skin

[hasty mauve]

it's all linked in the article 😄

[solid tiger]

@hasty mauve queen cuz it's pokimane

[lunar briar]

nice, i wouldve bought it 💯

[hasty mauve]

use this thread for the referendum please @manic nova

queen cause poki fr fr

[solemn kraken]

.......

[solid tiger]

@hasty mauve queen cuz it's hikaru's girlfriend ( pokimane)

[lunar briar]

this is probabbl ygonna be the tightest referendym

[deep harness]

😘

[hasty mauve]

[bleak heath]

Anitta answer pls

[silver flume]

wha

[hasty mauve]

yeah probably lol

[lunar briar]

ignore my typouing

[hasty mauve]

sorry mohit i didnt see it one sec

[solemn kraken]

W

[solid tiger]

eh why

[hasty mauve]

yeah

[silver flume]

Ñ?

[bleak heath]

Okay :)

[hasty mauve]

but we'll tell them to connect if they win

[lunar briar]

im the greatest typoist of this solar system 😂 😂 😂

[solemn kraken]

yeah

[solid tiger]

i will die

[manic nova]

Anitta

[hasty mauve]

connected so we know who to gift it to 😄

[royal yew]

This is why 2 rooks better

[bleak heath]

So why not make a pinned message or do something so people can know that 😅

[manic nova]

i cant find smth about mobile

[golden trellis]

i made up a poem:

roses are red,
violets are blue,
people say, in the endgame,
the rooks dominate and thats true

the queen may seem the strongest on the board
using her many strengths and her long swooord,
but the rooks when bored,
make up a team that cant be ignored

they fly across the ranks
like a pair of tanks
breaking all in their way
as if its nothing but ants

because for ages and beyond
the double rooks are to be feared upon
with the two rooks in play,
victory is is coming your way

[silver flume]

you can stale with rooks too

[solemn kraken]

imma sleep the chat is getting unrelated now

[hasty mauve]

@manic nova please ask it on the chess.com forums, here is about the poll 😄

[royal yew]

but it's harder

[lunar briar]

u can assure u, u havent even seen 5% of what i do 😂

[solid tiger]

two rooks ugh no one wants that

[languid stratus]

depending on what the end game looks like is key to the answer if we are talking a blank board 2 rooks no doubt if we are talking with pawns remaining than the queen since the queen can movement is less limited compared to rooks able to get behind the pawns more swiftly and hard to counter the danger of the queen tho is that you can accidentally cause stalemate if you are not careful however rooks have a harder time actively moving around and countering connected pawns so i would say that there is no correct answer and it all depends on the end game scenario and skill of the players.

[opaque escarp]

oh shit i just noticed the question wasnt asking which piece(s) would win queen vs rook, ig im choosing queen

[hasty mauve]

kekw

[solid tiger]

@hasty mauve is he win?

bro i can also copy paste but that's not creative

[gaunt moss]

maybe 2 rooks are better so u can premove safely flag ftw

[golden trellis]

is it nice?

[solid tiger]

it's easier to premove with the queen tho

[hasty mauve]

nah we'll choose the winner tomorrow

[deep harness]

you can do things like this with queen

[jolly coral]

Queen has no lore bro. On the contrary rooks, they are twins siblings come from the land afar with the purpose of finally finding a purpose in life and fullfilling it with god's will.

[vast pumice]

2 rooks can trap queen defend pawns, pin queen and leader mate

[hasty mauve]

that would also be a mate if that queen was a rook tho

[solid tiger]

please don't chose a copy pasta

[gaunt moss]

easy to blunder it though. with rooks, they're always guarding one another

[opaque escarp]

leader mate

[bleak heath]

Wow that's too nice poem!

[deep harness]

yea i realised just as soon as i posted it my goofy aaaa

[solid tiger]

yeah but it's hard to make progress with two rooks

[golden trellis]

thanks ❤️

[vast pumice]

?

[silver flume]

queen has trained for protecting the king and now that she finds a war she does her best to protect his beloved

[gaunt moss]

flag 😂

[silver flume]

🇪🇸🤝🇪🇸

[solid tiger]

yayayayay

[rugged stump]

queen cant castle tho

[silver flume]

agreed

[jolly coral]

ratio

[gaunt moss]

win by flagging>>> win positionally

[deep harness]

queen has trained for protecting the king and now that she finds a war she does her best to protect his beloved

[solid tiger]

@hasty mauve i would prolly chose two rooks cuz 5+5 = 10 and queen is only worth an 8 so objectively i would do that

[silver flume]

counterratio

[royal yew]

Am I stupid or is that not actually mate? (pawn on G4 takes queen)

[jolly coral]

Flabbergasted, bewildered, timbers shivered.

[solid tiger]

classic 200 elo game

[silver flume]

falls for it

[gaunt moss]

white pawns going down

[deep harness]

white is going down the board not up

[solid tiger]

that's highly creative

[royal yew]

ah, so I am stupid

[grave cypress]

two rooks, here's why
-if you have a king and queen endgame, if you lose the queen you draw the game
-if you have a king and 2 rooks endgame, if you lose one rook you can still win

[rugged stump]

2 rooks better cuz my super gm grandpa says so

[silver flume]

you can craft queen with one pawn, so its cooler

[deep harness]

nah it's ok we've all done that before lol

[silver flume]

based gramps

[grave cypress]

google castling

[silver flume]

where she go

[opaque escarp]

god im so dumb why did i name everything gibberish

[silver flume]

bro you gonna castle in endgame?

[grave cypress]

...castle checkmate?

[jolly coral]

I love the queen its op 🤓

[rugged stump]

i will 😎

[lunar briar]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-applause-well-done-good-gif-12529938

[grave cypress]

the queen is such a glass cannon bro

[royal yew]

wait this is valid tho

[grave cypress]

literal glass cannon

[mortal dock]

Yes

[grave cypress]

-can take in the most ways
-you don't want to take those ways because you just hang it most of the time

[rugged stump]

in an endgame?

[silver flume]

do it, i encourage you, it would be epic

[jolly coral]

ima counterpoem this mf

wait its rooks

i cant

damn

2 rooks too op

[lunar briar]

😂

[languid stratus]

that is what you call not so chessy

[jolly coral]

William Rooksfeared

Literally bro

[dapper shadow]

2 Rooks because you have 2 pieces:
With 1 rook you can pin other pieces to the king, while the other rook will get some pawns at the 7th rank. I feel like a Queen isnt able to do as much as 2 rooks can do.

[languid stratus]

they need to nerf the rooks

[grave cypress]

roses are red
i like to cook
this reminds me of that video
1 board 2 rook

[dapper shadow]

💀

[upper vector]

1 queen because a strong woman will take you further than just 2 loyal servants 🙇‍♂️

[manic nova]

@hasty mauve

does the support come within 30min?

[golden trellis]

one cannot simply counter the rooks - julius caesar 50 bc

[jolly coral]

William Rooksfeared

[smoky heron]

ah yes wait wait i got one as well:

In the realm of chess, where battles are fought,
A question arises, a pondering thought.
Two rooks or a queen, which shall prevail?
Let us embark on a poetic tale.

The queen, a majestic ruler of might,
Her movements, a symphony, graceful and bright.
She glides with ease in any direction,
A formidable force, a strategic selection.

With regal steps, she claims the throne,
A central figure, the game's backbone.
Her power extends, her reach is vast,
She surveys the board, the die is cast.

Two rooks, a duo, united they stand,
A formidable alliance, hand in hand.
They move in harmony, side by side,
Their strength combined, a force to abide.

Yet, their mobility has its constraint,
Their paths restricted, their reach restrained.
In straight lines they tread, a limited range,
While the queen dances, unbound, untamed.

Her attacks, swift and unforeseen,
From all angles, she strikes, sharp and keen.
Multiple foes she can effortlessly engage,
A flurry of threats, a tactical rampage.

In the endgame, her reign shines bright,
Her prowess evident, her victory in sight.
While two rooks may struggle to mate,
The queen claims triumph, sealing their fate.

So, in this grand game of strategy and lore,
The queen stands proud, forevermore.
Her versatility, her might, her sway,
Make her the champion of the chessboard's array.

Choose her wisely, embrace her might,
With the queen's guidance, your path is right.
In her grace and power, victory resides,
A queen's triumph, where strategy presides.

[gaunt moss]

rooks so u have a chance to castle checkmate

[languid stratus]

god not again

[modern roost]

i had a castle mate before

[golden trellis]

damn bruh nice

[opaque escarp]

replace the queen with this rn

[grave cypress]

the bishook

[modern roost]

a birook

[grave cypress]

the rishop

[modern roost]

h yes

[deep harness]

@hasty mauve 2 rooks vs 1 Queen is a question with great depth In general 2 rooks will be better then a Queen here is the reason, the person with 2 rooks is able to bully the king, Ill give a very interesting example where Magnus was ready to Trade his Queen for 2 rooks in last years championship Against Nepo and when asked about why he wanted to do that he said that 2 rooks allows him more targeting of pawns and pieces in general. So opinion of Magnus support 2 rooks then a Queen. Reason 2 is the infamous bullyin the king on the seventh rank, a strategy approved by the engine since it makes the Queen of your opponent by herself very not mobile since u always gotta watch out for the king and the most times ending with a trade of queen for rooks but you won a pawn in the process. Now the Third reason which is the biggest W in my opinion is the multiple piece targeting since a queen can attack but it cant attack and defend at the same time Having 2 rooks is like having more opportunity for both attacking and defending since unlike the Queen you can both attack and defend with 2 rooks. Fourth reason is cordination of the pieces a Queen by herself is hard to play with since if the Rooks have acess to open files and the position is well defended making a breakthrough and winning pieces is very tuff and acess to open files by doubling up does not only allow you to bully the king but bully the Queen Since its a target for the rooks because u cant trade a Queen for a Rook if its your only piece. Reason Number 5 is The Idea of doubling up on a file itself since controling open lines is very useful unlike uncontrolled zigzags of the Queen. Reason number 6 is that 2 rooks can control more space then 1 Queen since and trust me i just opened the analysis on chess.com to make sure im correct. Number 7 The Rooks get better the more space that there is because firstly its easier to bully the king with 2 pieces>1 and its easier for the Queen to get pinned, nitro max words.

[opaque escarp]

jesus christ

[deep harness]

i work hard

[smoky heron]

bro wrote up a thesis for this istg 💀

[deep harness]

😋

[gaunt moss]

what a thesis

[grave cypress]

ok listen to this
-2 rooks = 10 value
-1 queen - 9 value

problem solved

[deep harness]

Since it began i was writing

[lunar briar]

couldve just made a list like a list 😂

[grave cypress]

the numbers don't LIE

[jolly coral]

"King laughs at us all but all 2 rooks can do is ladder" -Roorkus Aurookius

[golden trellis]

did u really make this man i feel stumped

[jolly coral]

Rooks are literally stoics bro

[deep harness]

Wrote more in that then i do my essays🤣

[jolly coral]

Actually yakk

Im gonna go sleep now

[deep harness]

hope anitta saw it😋

[jolly coral]

been playing chess for 3 hours

Tell me if i got the diamond or sum

[silver flume]

however, i disagree
i prefer using my queen
rooks arent for me
so do want to see?

diagonals, up and down
it feels more interesting
opponent puts a frown
as the thrill is increasing

you think of possible stalemates
you dont fall for them
now you see the games
are no longer a problem

ladders? not so cool
everyone can pull it off
a trick not even a fool
cam be proud of

[grave cypress]

this should be enough to prove my point

mate in 11

[smoky heron]

bro it varies on every position

[lunar briar]

💯

[smoky heron]

just practicing

still its quite bad

[golden trellis]

ill mkae a counter - counter - poem

[lunar briar]

way too long for a discord chats attention span 😂

[silver flume]

do it, its prob gonna be good

bruh this is gonna become a rap battle

[golden trellis]

lmao

[silver flume]

epic rap battles of history: team queen vs team 2 rooks

[grave cypress]

yeah but black is still losing

white*

[deep harness]

Queen is better cz queen alone has the potential to deliver checkmate on its own, whereas two rooks generally require more coordination to deliver a checkmate. Having a queen in the endgame can create more immediate threats to the opponent's king and force them to dedicate resources to defend against potential checkmate scenarios. And also the queen has a wider range of movement compared to rooks. It can move in any direction—horizontally, vertically, and diagonally—which allows it to cover more squares on the board. This increased mobility can be advantageous when maneuvering around the endgame and targeting the opponent's pieces or pawns.

[grave cypress]

black*

[lyric prawn]

Generally speaking, two pieces are better than one. Both have their ups and downs though.
The queen has an amazing forking ability. But two connected rooks are also dangerous. I think it really depends on the situation and position.

[deep harness]

Test test

[grave cypress]

black is still losing

[tired goblet]

bruh man you could just explain it normally but instead you asked an ai to write rephrase etc. idk what you did but it is ai

[lunar briar]

😏 😏

[tired goblet]

you can swear all day

[deep harness]

I wrote so much it doesnt allow me💀

[deep harness]

bro rlly wants 5$

[lunar briar]

is strategicness a wrod in eng lang? 😂

[smoky heron]

for a diamond member 💀 pls make it worth

[undone orchid]

Queen because she's royalty.
I mean think about it, the queen is basically a king -seeing it can move in all directions - but can go much much further.

The queen goes for it from the get go, she's the powerful one, but also a big target. Easy to win with but equally easy to lose and avoid those tempting queen trades with.

But the two rooks they don't even have to be developed early on unless you're castling; they don't have to die unless you're blundering them leaving b2,g2,b7 and g7 open for them to be taken out by a bishop or queen. Perhaps you'll leave c2 and c7 vulnerable for them to be taken out by a knight.
They are the guaranteed endgame piece.

But it's easier to avoid that if you're careful enough than losing a queen that's trying to get a job done in the middlegame.

Imagine how cooler it would be to have her in the endgame then? A true testament to one's skill

And also like Levi once said, it's our rooks we sacrifice to open up the opponents defence but the queen, you save the queen for the devastating blow.
And that makes the queen mate more precious to keep for the endgame.

And the two rook they can't mate the king whilst staring in his face; the queen can deliver the 1-0 whilst holding the enemy king at gunpoint.

Our two rooks would need some sort of support to do that.

So I'd mate with a queen any day, have a her reach the endgame and deliver the checkmate.

[deep harness]

Yes

[modern roost]

You can force a trade in the endgame in queens, but usually never with queens.

So the rook is the winning piece

[grave cypress]

2 rooks is better because in most* positions it has a better eval and since rooks allow for developing king's safety at an early* part of the game which usually results in a better position

plus you literally have +1 on material

when the only pieces left are 2 rooks and queen

[modern roost]

queen is worth 8 points rooks are 10

easy meth

[lunar briar]

2 rooks r objectively better than a queen if u are in a pure endgame without any pawns

[deep harness]

Anyone choose rooks is sexist

[modern roost]

sniff

[grave cypress]

nah i like sex

[high saffron]

2 rookzzz

[deep harness]

Based

[grave cypress]

2 rooks having sex, 2 rooks having sex
my muscles, my muscles, involuntary flex

[smoky heron]

oh damn bro got too creative 💀

[grave cypress]

question... are the pawns trans when they reach the end of the board or are all the pieces except for the king women

[deep harness]

Is there a way to bypass the nitro word limit😭 ?

[deep harness]

Rooks just 2 pawns saw medusa

[smoky heron]

send a txt file..?

[deep harness]

[grave cypress]

anyhow, 178 people are wrong and that's all

[lunar briar]

split the msges, stuff like better discord and all hv plugins thst even do that fo ru

[last fjord]

Well of course like every Good GM says it really depends on the position, though I feel like a queen could be better in some situations since lower level players simply don't know how to use the 2 rooks and have a 80% chance to lose 1 of them, then the other possibly, for intermediates could be similar though the chance of losing a rook is 40-50%, Advanced players know how to use the 2 rooks to their advantage, though of course a queen cannot stop 2 rooks connected in a file, or can't defend for example if 2 rooks are attacking a pawn only the king a queen could defend it and they could trade the 2 rooks for the queen, though if the king is farther, the queen can't defend it herself that's a advantage for the 2 rooks, now of course if the 2 rooks can check the king enough so it goes on a file to win the queen (mostly mean't for open positions where it's the move for the guy with 2 rooks), now if it's the person where it's the queens move, it's pretty simple to draw by repetition most of the time with the queen, now of course 2 rooks are worth 10 and the queen is 9, though the +1 material advantage doesn't really change much as everyone says, it's up to the position, so to shorten this, the queen is better in the middlegame for two rooks and two rooks would be personally better in a endgame, I feel like, though it's possible for the queen to be better as well, my personal preference is to have a queen for 2 of the rooks. if you are 400-1650, the queen is better, if you are 1651-2800, depends on position.

[deep harness]

alright alrighty

[coarse solar]

queen because unlike the two towers i wouldn't be screwed if my opponent had a plane

[rigid basalt]

a queen alone can never mate and always requires assistance from its other pieces, thus we know tht we will be needing the king's help and rooks on the same file or rank can be very op, as it can even technically "fork"(double attack) the queen and the king and it will not require the king's assistance. Thus, i conclude the 2 rooks, if on the same line r way better than a queen, if with safe hands

[deep harness]

ay i found a site that worked

[golden trellis]

im baaaacccckkk

[golden trellis]

roses are red,
violets are blue
people say the ladders are for a fool,
but i say that the rooks are a tool,
to make the opponent drool
over your game which is so cool.

the rooks are so strong,
yet they never go wrong,
the queen just has a range that is long
but the rooks can change the game,
and give you the fame!!

together the both can tame,
the so called mighty queen
and make her wail,
outside the board
thus leaving the king weak and frail.

[royal yew]

Epic poem

[golden trellis]

yesssir rooks supremacy

[crimson sphinx]

I think a queen has more viability, just for escorting alone

[grave cypress]

you know that... poems aren't just ending the last line with the same last syllable as in the previous line, right?

there's a rhythm to it

[royal yew]

we know, but it was cool nonetheless 😎

[golden trellis]

hm yea

[grave cypress]

roses are red
for the rhyme i'll use ween
i prefer 2 rooks
over a queen

[royal yew]

🇵 🇴 🇬

[torn magnet]

Do I need to have my dms open for when I win btw ?

[cobalt shadow]

No, you will get a ping

[torn magnet]

Aight thxx

[cobalt shadow]

It's a very hard and complicated question. Queen can attack more squares but if a king protects something then the queen can be useless. Two rooks can be weaker if not connected but a bit stronger when connected imo. When you double up on the 2nd/7th rank the queen needs to protect the king and then you can make a bit progress. It just feels like you got more play with 2 rooks if they are the only pieces left in the endgame. In the middle game it is the opposite because the rooks are usually way less active and have a harder time to attack stuff and pressure weaknesses

[torn magnet]

Rooks because I only trust the boys, it is Sigma grindset month

[royal yew]

nice

[whole rock]

1

[royal yew]

why

[gaunt idol]

rook all the way
u can draw eaiser with rooks than queeen

[torn cave]

this depends on what the other team has but 2 rooks would prob be more beneficial than one queen

other player not team lol forgot chess

[deep harness]

a queen

[royal yew]

why

[deep harness]

I'm British so, queen

[brazen drift]

maybe at higher levels the two rooks can compete but at my level they're going to blunder a fork

at least assuming we're talking a queen-vs-two-rooks endgame

now, if we're saying which would I rather have against 3 minor pieces or something, probably the two rooks -- that way if I screw up and lose one, I still have a rook

[brazen drift]

I'm Irish, but I'd still rather have a queen than your King! :P

[vagrant comet]

Generally speaking, I prefer to have the queen in anything but an endgame due to its versatility, but in an endgame I'd have to go with the two rooks. In a clean queen & pawns v two rooks & pawns the rooks simply control more squares than the queen, and can double up to pressure pawns. The queen however can only defend with limited value, and there is always an opportunity for the two rooks to sacrifice for the queen and an extra pawn into a king endgame. The more pieces there are on the board, the better the queen becomes, but I'd still have to go with the rooks as long as I'm confident in coordinating them.

writes long ass answer then hangs a fork against the queen:

[modern roost]

ayo

[neon onyx]

although 2 Rooks have the oppertunity to sacrifice the ROOOOOOOOOK as some of us has pointed out already, queen´s just got more style in a endgame. After all its just the queen and you gotta respect that. Mobility after all is the best way to win and the options you got to checkmate are great. Also i need this free month, im trying to improve pretty fast right now but cant buy it myself so it would be nice.

[deep harness]

you can use the rook to bait the queen out and go for the king

[deep harness]

What did he do to you

specificly him

not the royals in all

no history

just him

The kings just trying to do his best

and who knows? you might live to see another queen

[mint drum]

2 rooks because it's more interesting

[analog delta]

In an endgame doubled rooks are more powereful than the queen. They just gobble up all pawns on seventh rank and don’t care if there’s a king or not. They’re a 2 way battery unlike the queen who can’t take pawns in range of the king

[maiden brook]

🤓: Depends on the positi...

I would say that the rooks will lose against the queen only if you disconnect them and hang a fork. Or if the side with the queen has strong connected passers. Otherwise the side with the rooks can't really lose. But the side with a queen can. Firstly, side with the rooks has more pieces, so if they attack one of the opponent's weaknesses, they will win it, because the side with the queen won't have enough defenders.
If the side with the rooks has an outside passed pawn, the queen won't be able to stop it. Because as long as the king is safe, one of the rooks will go and kick the queen from a blockade of the pawn.

So, there's a reason why 2 rooks are 10 points and a queen is only 9. In case of such an imbalanced endgame only one side is gonna be playing for a win. And it's not gonna be the side with a queen, who will only give checks hoping for a perpetual.
One example of such an endgame is a famous Game 6 from the World Chess Championship 2021.

[brazen drift]

nothing specifically to me but from what I've seen of him he's an asshole

[deep harness]

🇪🇸🤝🇪🇦

🇪🇦🤝🇪🇸

While the rooks are technically stronger, I prefer having one piece that has a larger range - it's much easier to hang a rook!

[ashen moon]

Depends on the amount of pawns

but overall I'd pick the queen because cheeky forks

also is easier to play and flag with

[deep harness]

queen because i said so (give me diamond now)

[hard spear]

you could sacrafice the rook and if they dont take you could try to checkmate

[tawdry parcel]

I prefer 2 rooks.

1. If they're low rated they're prone to easy ladder mates or backrank sacs that you can't do with only a piece
2. It makes you look smarter being +1 xD
3. Doubled up rooks on the seventh/second rank go brrrrr

[tropic apex]

i'll go with 2rooks if they work together ,they are lethal although having a queen you feel a bit safer

[vagrant arrow]

the queen

Because you can easily just find a way to fork the king and the rook

and the king with 2 rooks gotta keep those rooks connected

otherwise they will fall quickly

it's also important to make sure your king is not infront or behind your queen

because yeah

pins and skewers

[analog ember]

I prefer the QUEEN

Compared to two rooks, the queen is way more flexible and adaptable. It can quickly shift between offense and defense as the game situation demands, and its long range capabilities mean it can strike in any direction, which is great for seizing the initiative and controlling the game.

Opponents are much more likely to blunder a fork with a Queen.

Although, two rooks can be useful in certain situations, but they can also get in each other's way and require careful coordination to be effective. The queen, on the other hand, is a versatile piece that can adapt to any situation and create powerful attacks on its own.

At the end it is a situational and individual preference. But due to queen being more versatile, it is preferred.

[terse wing]

The queen can be used alone and its very powerful for mates and pawn eating in endgames

Also its more likely to do mates not stalemates

[fringe arrow]

queen>rook but 2 rook > queen

[waxen roost]

It depends on how many pawns are left on the board. With few pawns the rocks because they coordinate well together but a couple of pawns can be enough to make a fortress. In such a case I would prefer the Queen because it's obviously more mobile and can dance around any left over pawns.

[steep flame]

I prefer the Queen because of it's high mobility flexibility. The less pawns on the board, the stronger the queen becomes (in my opinion), as it will become incredible hard to coordinate your rooks together and any mistake will most likely cost one of your remaining rooks.
As safety net there is a high likelihood of perpetual check with a queen, so that you can always look for a draw if the positions starts to look losing.
For the rooks to deliver a checkmate, they have to be on separate files ( assuming very little to no pawns left ), which makes them an easy target for the queen.

[fresh karma]

Ultimately, both a Queen and two rooks can be useful, and the choice between the two comes down to the situation. For example, if you have 1 pawn on the e file and are up against another queen, 2 rooks would be best. 1 rook and the pawn could be used to defend against perpetual check, using the other rook to attack. It is also better against 2 rooks, as there is no danger of a pin, as you could trade the rooks and be up a pawn, easily winning. Against a pawn and Queen, I would still prefer the two rooks. They can collaborate much more easily, making attacks on the king, pinning pieces, etc. With no pawn, I take the two rooks every day, played solidly the opposing side has no chance of checkmate, while you can still create attacks on the opposing king with one rook.

Speaking of that, another advantage of this is just having more pieces, this way, you could trade off one of them but would still have valid material to do a checkmate.

Only times I would want a queen is in rare, obscure positions, like where I may be able to sacrifice it to take an opposing rook or piece, then promote a pawn and regain that queen.

I am also not as much of an attacking player, the Queen is a piece that is usually used very aggressively, something I dislike.

To conclude, I enjoy two rooks more because it is better in nearly all situations to defend against a draw and secure the win. Also rook checkmate is more fun than Queen!

[astral river]

Hello Anitta, Today I will be discussing which I prefer 2 Rooks or Queen in Endgame. First of all the queen is a very powerful piece which can fork many pieces at a time. Personally, I like having queens in the endgame because the king is usually exposed leading into checks and possible forks. I also like the Queen for another reason, It can diagonally travel which rooks cannot. I also think if the rooks are not connected or if the king is exposed then I would surely prefer the queen. Now, the last reason why I like the queen is because it is very easy to checkmate because of the amount of checks you can give to your opponent's king.

[lusty violet]

Well Lets see
Queen
-> The Queen Can forky forky
-> The queens more powerful
-> Imp in endgames

Rooks
-> 1 point Advantage
-> Can actually do ladder mate
-> Can skewer or pin queen
-> They can work together to mate.

[gusty shell]

The queen can fork move around the board faster

But the rooks can do ladder mate pin or skewer queen and are easier to work together to mate

[normal leaf]

I personally think that, in general, the rooks have to be locked to 1 rank or file or else the queen can very easily check the king till he skewers or forks one of the rooks. That means the mobility of the rooks are greatly reduced, so the queen would win. Also, although ladder mates are nice, a king-queen mate is fairly easy too.

As a side note to that, I have been in a few queen vs 2 rook endgames and have always won with the queen.

That being said, 2 rooks could be better in some positions where they can work together to mate the king while the queen is in such a position that it cannot intervene without being lost.

[hushed rune]

I would say 2 rooks because with the 2 rooks you have more mobilety and you can give the 2 rooks the job and not have to multitask unlike the queen. You can also checkmate the king faster with the rooks.

[rancid ember]

two rooks because it gives more tactical chances for both players

[tall mantle]

2 rooks

[lament coral]

obviously 2 rooks

why is a queen winning bruh

[robust cove]

2 rooks, you can use the rooks to win the queen or attack the king, and if they are connected, the queen will have a hard time dealing with them.

along with this, the 2 rooks could double attack a pawn that will be hard to defend with only a queen

they could also work together to help with your promotion of your own pawn

[robust cove]

skewer, take queen, king and rook mate?

[lunar briar]

It's a noob friendly option 😂

[robust cove]

until they stalemate with it or blunder it

[lunar briar]

Ye it's always fun to do that 😂

[gleaming rain]

I like to give the opponent one of the rooks and flex on them by using one rook to checkmate them.

[atomic marlin]

because as an australian I want my queen back

[stiff goblet]

i check stocky and its about equal

i check a few scenarios

[lunar briar]

well obviously at engine lvl its equal

[upper gust]

we aren't on some master level. in 20 moves the guy with 2 rooks will blunder a fork and then its practically the easiest win in chess. queen winning def...

[supple tapir]

thanks

lol

[tough ore]

If The Rook is always connected in a Queen King vs King 2 Rooks its Prob a draw if played correctly

If The rooks arent connected there might be a chance of a Fork

[hushed cosmos]

I'd go for 2 rooks. Firstly, 5 + 5 > 9. Secondly, you have more pieces on the board (when only counting number of pieces), so more attackers. E.g. cutting of the king from the next file/rank. Then, there'll be chances of pinning the queen/skewering the king with the rooks, and also if you get to win the queen for the rook, it's winning. Things to keep in mind for 2 rooks is to keep them connected so that they can protect each other. That way, you wouldn't get those rooks forked by the queen. The opponent's queen will also try to give checks to your king relentlessly, so using a rook as a shield may be an option. With perfect play, this might be a draw, with the queen finding perpetual checks, but I believe 2 rooks can have a slight advantage over the queen.

[cobalt shadow]

Saying 10 > 9 is a very bad point. Knight (3) + bishop (3) =/= rook (5) + pawn (1)

[narrow beacon]

While I do prefer two rooks as they can protect each other, attack, and defend better against a queen, it does really depend on your pawn structure, the number of pawns, and prefer two rooks as they can protect each other, attack, and defend better against a queen, it depending activity. Rooks usually only have their full power in open files, so if the pawn structure has an open structure with fewer pawns on the board, then two rooks dominate. On the other hand, a queen does not need an open file to dominate, as it also has diagonal power. It can switch from file or rank domination to diagonal domination in closed positions. If there are more pawns for two rooks, then two rooks win. If there are more pawns for the side with the queen, then the queen wins. The only exception is when even if the side with the rooks has more pawns but lacks an open file, the queen should still dominate. However, all in all, two rooks are better as they can coordinate devastating attacks and efficient defensive tactics.

[digital wigeon]

2 rooks, they can protect even if far away unless you blunder

[viscid shard]

The ROOOOOOOOOOOK!!!!!!!!!

[frigid glade]

The queen is stronger, while two rooks can defend each other queens can zoom around the board checking the king till it forks it with a rook taking it out, then it’s easy to win

[hallow fable]

The queen is better because the rook gets sacrificed by gothamchess

[hallow fable]

plus this too^

[jolly coral]

This ain't end yet?

[jolly coral]

Aight since I failed bagging a female.

I'm going to give you all some knowledge about 2 rooks

Well first of all there's the queen, we'll call her Mindless Female (MF).

The MF is a one of a kind unless you're advanced enough to bag other MFs which is unlikely.

Sure the MF can move horizontally, diagonally and vertically but once you make 1 blunder you lost her.

On the other hand we have the 2 rooks, we'll call them Muscly Von Pump 1 and 2(MVPs).

The MVPs are brothers in arm, they help each other out and they win wars.

When do you see yourself winning with the MF? When you're playing with somebody very terrible or just because you can't checkmate with MVPs.

MVPs, why are they better? Besides from their chiseled jawline and killer physique that allows them to sprint from a-h 1-8 and back, they themselves don't know that they can have a devastating attack if not blundered.

Not done yet

I failed to bag a female

Ok. You can blunder BUT you only lose 5 pts not 9 pts and you don't look like an idiot.

What can you do with MVPs that you can't with the MF? That's right, climbing the ranks and getting higher elo, why? Climbing requires ladder, MVPs provide you with ladders, a MF cannot.

"But you can also ladder with MFs 🤓"

Lads, You don't need 2 MFs that's stupid you're stupid and you can't do anything without the MFs.

Get real, what do the MF give you? Problems and worries. They make you worry about blundering them.

Of course there are tons more reasons why MVPs are better but I'll leave that to the other W MVPs enjoyer.

And I lied of course I bagged the female because I know that 2 rooks are way better than a queen.

Have a great day.

[royal yew]

[jovial eagle]

its two rooks the rooks are more in points 5+5 = 10 > 9 and rooks are tricky mainly in blitz games like skewers and pins so i chose 2

[jolly coral]

W idea

[jovial eagle]

i am gonna get diamond membership

[jolly coral]

Love the attitude but some people yesterday had poems

[jovial eagle]

yeah

[jolly coral]

299-276

[small escarp]

The avengers vs thanos

Endgame

[upper gust]

i still think that everyone under 1600 elo would sooner or later blunder one of the rooks

you crazy? after 30 moves you are bored so you play less attention and blunder

so you are agreeing that queen is better. yay

[upper gust]

most people that don't take it 100% srs will lose focus on some point. i saw few clips of even hikaru and magnus losing focus cause they were bored

[deep harness]

2 rooks are better because you can mate easier, and women are just kinda yucky /j

[opaque escarp]

1 queen vs 2 rooks fighting against eachother on the board would probably be a draw if kings are excluded

think about it

the rooks will protect eachother and probably repeat moves

[maiden yarrow]

queen for forking the rooks and king

[deep harness]

eh you could probably get your opponent to blunder their queen by putting your king in between your rooks

[worthy talon]

both they are 2 different leagues imo

2 rooks can deliver mate with the right moves maybe in like 5 or 10

a queen can make different types of attacks and in an endgame can get like mate in 5 to 7 moves i understand if u disagree its just simply what i think

[deep harness]

depends on the positions

and what pieces are in play

a queen can be better in some scenarios

but having two pieces are usually better than having one

[solid lynx]

More pieces and 1+ material

[lusty violet]

Rooks are good

[deep harness]

queens to fork

[lament coral]

Its easier to checkmate with two rooks than with one queen

[fiery birch]

I always lose in queen vs 2 rook end game 😦

[rancid ginkgo]

queens can be funny rooks are only straight.

[bleak heath]

So queen vs two rook in endgame?
It's depend on position pawn and other piece. Queen have nice chances to fork rooks if rook are not connected for example this
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1106055580688339095/1106055954732175380/Screenshot_20230511-082255_Chess.jpg
And if there is more pawn that would be nice for queen But as I looked if there is no pawn it's kinda like a drawhttps://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1106055580688339095/1106056132914581615/Screenshot_20230511-082723_Chess.jpg If rook are connected and opponent blunder then you can win it for example this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1106055580688339095/1106056367132905472/Screenshot_20230511-083153_Chess.jpgThe queen can't defend one pawn without king if two rooks attacking ithttps://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1106055580688339095/1106056618614996992/Screenshot_20230511-083619_Chess.jpg so that's mean what is better two rook or queen? As you see it's depend :)

As I know I can't win but I wanna put my answers here :)

[worthy sparrow]

queens are much more easier to get a checkmate on than rooks

[lunar briar]

how r people thinking that its easier to checmate with a queen than 2 rooks in a standard q vs 2r endgame 😂 😂

thats just completely wrong 😂

[narrow beacon]

haha what?

[frozen vortex]

It really depends on the position but usually in endgames 2 rooks are better. A queen is at its strongest when paired with another attacking piece the best being a knight but when the queen is alone it becomes very weak and is hard to attack anything with. This is the most creative way I can explain it 😄

[lusty violet]

Actually rooks can skewer or pin eventually winning the position.

[golden trellis]

hm when does this activity end

[normal leaf]

I disagree with your reasons but the way you said it makes it deserving of diamond membership without a doubt

like some people might make solid reasons or create poems, but what you said is truly an answer for the ages

[mossy mesa]

two rooks are better than a queen because they are more versatile. They can attack from a distance, and they can defend their own pieces more effectively. However, a queen can be very powerful in certain positions, such as when it is attacking the opponent's king also if you are faced with the choice of taking a queen or two rooks it is important to consider the position of the pieces on the board if the two rooks are well-coordinated and the queen is not, then the two rooks will be more powerful

rook better

[jolly coral]

Honestly like I just participate for fun and if I did win I'd probably tell them to make a giveaway.

[jolly coral]

Good point.

Actually.

If we have another attacking piece that goes with the 2 rooks or queen the results may vary since it could be a knight or Bishop or whatever. Also depends on how you use them and the pawn placement.

Are they in good squares that are constantly putting pressure or are they doing nothing?

We won't actually know unless we have the position but in this case the poll isn't specific about it.

Being intelligent is way better than being with woman istg

Continuing.

In the poll it says "Which do you prefer? ", theres actually no right or wrong answers, it depends on the level, the play style, the knowledge that the player has about the game of chess.

As a 1000 something elo I'd say the rooks are better in an endgame, what are your thoughts?

(On my phone so I don't have the Arab Kitty pic)

Well actually.

In conclusion I have no idea, chess is fun but I also hate it.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1035200938648027196/1097517045668655245/arab_cat.gif

I DO HAVE IT

[haughty fjord]

What about queen Vs 30 rooks???

[jolly coral]

Irrelevant.

BUT.

The rooks will take half the space on the board and the queen will most likely get traded of for a rook.

Actually.

That is not likely to happen in a game.

[subtle rivet]

I prefer two rooks over a queen because I always blunder my queen and ladder mating is easy

[jolly coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1035200938648027196/1097517045668655245/arab_cat.gif

[normal leaf]

If the rooks aren't connected and it's the queen's turn, then the queen will absolutely win as the queen can continuously check the king until it has forced the king into a position where it can fork the rooks.

If the rooks are connected and it's the queen's turn, then it depends on where the kings are. If the queen's king is close to the rooks' king, then they can force the king to an edge of the board for a king-queen checkmate. If the kings are disconnected by the connected rooks, then it is almost impossible for the queen to checkmate, so the queen will continue checking until the 50-move-rule stalemate occurs.

If the rooks are connected and it's the rooks' turn, then there's a chance that, in a perfect position and with perfect play, they can somehow force a queen-for-rook trade by checking when the queen is on the same file/rank as the king, or possibly even pin the queen to the king, but otherwise it'd probably be a draw from 50-move-rule as very little progress can be made.

If the rooks are disconnected and it's the rooks' turn, then, in some positions, they can force a ladder mate and/or king-rook mate as the queen may be forced to get traded for a rook to stop getting ladder-mated instantly.

Hence, overall, 1 queen is slightly better than 2 rooks as the queen can win in more positions than the rooks

[jolly coral]

Great argument.

[queen mist]

Rooks because 5+5 is 10, which is larger than 9

[haughty fjord]

🧔🏻‍♀️

[upper gust]

this si the most stupid logic of them all. queen can fork all 3 together in 30 moves

[queen mist]

ChatGPT approves

[jolly coral]

That's because you play bullet.

[upper gust]

i play rapid too and a lot

more then bullet

[upper gust]

but most of the times when you get queen+king vs rook+rook+king endgame both players have like 1 min spared

[stray patrol]

because

women

[upper gust]

what an original joke. i couldn't think of better one. great job

[stray patrol]

ik I’m so funny

[upper gust]

now go to sleep its late

[stray patrol]

me when time zones

😱😱

[next crest]

two rooks are better because you can sacrifice 2 of those not just one queen🤝

[fringe fiber]

depends if its beginning middle or end

in the endgame 2 rooks by themselves are better than a queen

but anywhere else a queen would be better

[weak sparrow]

1 answer, the rook lift. No other piece goes to the gym.

[lunar briar]

💯 😂

[runic heart]

Got to be the queen because i can fork and make the knight sad after him forking me for so many years

[lone marsh]

it got to be a two rooks because you don't need a king for checkmate and at endgame 2 rooks can better job than a queen .If you need a king to checkmate and enemy have 1 rook and you have 2 rooks you can threat enemy with fork and he can't take if he takes he loses for this 2 rook better than a Queen.

[raw sand]

Two rooks.
There's a bunch of reasons:

1.There's a better chance that you won't stalemate.
2.You can protect each other.
Even if you lose one rook you can checkmate with one rook.
3.easier checkmates.
4.You can make bigger threats with two rooks.
5.Better against passed pawns.
6.More strategic possibilities.
7.Rooks are worth less.
8.Are great pieces (probably best) with the help of the king.

These are all of my reasons why two rooks are better than a queen

[frozen vortex]

Depends on the position m8

But in most position 2 rooks are better specially in endgams but when you launch an attack on the King for example in the mid game Queen is obviously better

[upper gust]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-viper-dviper-dark-viper-au-i-am-inside-your-walls-discord-gif-24246335

queen better

[lunar briar]

seeing like atleast 30-40 extra people being wrong is sad

https://tenor.com/view/no-offense-harry-potter-hindi-kulfy-gif-14000801060791822738

[sand parcel]

bruhh, you all forgot that in chess everything is about position, sometimes pawn can deliver mate, while queen can be trapped and useless...

[deep harness]

Queen is better because a queen can jump around the board like in real life but the rooks can only move horizontally and vertically now this proves the matrix theorem because of the formula queen=2 rooks-2 pawns where if we subtract 2 rooks, queen-2 rooks=-2 pawns, but what is worth as much as a queen? A king. so now 2rooks plus king=-2 pawns, but what are we? we are pawns, so 2 rooks plus king=humans. What do humans look up to? the queen, so 2 rooks plus king= queen. So queen therefore is greater than 2 rooks.

but when I tested this theorem using multiple trials(approximately 20) There turned out to be a discrepancy in my answers when I look at the data plots. As elo increases, the chances of rook endgames winning increases

It was a linear graph with a positive slope, so I recalculated and dug in even further into these formulas

At first when I madethe matrix formula queen=2 rooks-2 pawns I mistakingly thought that a queen is worth as much as a king, which is false

So I made a new formula to calculate which of the 2 pieces is better, the Elo theorem

as elo increases, the chances of 2 rooks winning increases

So I plugged the numbers in and heres is the mathemetical equation to find out if Queen or 2 Rooks is better

[lunar briar]

Just a pretending smart way of saying that noobs choose queen 😂

[deep harness]

Sigma0/Elo(100(Elo^3/4))>.000577778*

[digital wigeon]

[raw sand]

we talking endgames...

[raw sand]

we are talking about endgames?!

[deep harness]

I prefer queen, cuz queen is queen, the most powahful piece

[raw sand]

https://tenor.com/view/no-offense-mitch-mclusky-mayor-of-kingstown-with-all-due-respect-do-not-get-me-wrong-gif-23811728

[deep harness]

Epic embed fail 😂

[frozen vortex]

Ooh endgames ? I didn't read the title 🤣 ye 2 rooks

[languid stratus]

really depended on what the end game looks like

[frozen vortex]

Of course but most positions rooks should be better

A Queen is too reliant on other pieces and in the endgame since you don't have many connected rooks can do more

[torn cave]

both lose ( like usa and uk)

[upper gust]

yes thats right

https://tenor.com/view/chess-gambit-queens-gif-19831070

[willow pecan]

a queen because it has more mobility

[gleaming stump]

A queen as it has a good chance for mating and would be more active on a board compared to 2 rooks and using the queen's diagnols, you could fork your opponents pieces more easily. If my opponent had a queen in an endgame, I would be more careful than if they had two rooks.

[golden trellis]

when will the winner be announced

[coarse lava]

ladder mate with rooks

[lunar briar]

its just sad to see so many people explain their choice as queen with absolutely inaccurate statement(s) 😂 😂

[upper gust]

only someone really stupid could get laddermate when you have 1 queen

don't you wanna say that you can win on opposition too?

[formal fern]

2: Bros before hoes.

[pastel violet]

If we're talking about lower elo players (-800). It should be better to have a queen against 2 rooks. Because it has a higher probability for the 2 rook player to blunder a fork. If you are a higher elo rated(+800). It is definetely better to have 2 rooks. GM's(1800+) should have the game drawn. So both options are practically the same. It's all game in the elo and nothing else.

[broken jewel]

A queen at the right position can eliminate the thread of ladders mate

[jolly coral]

This is still going on.

Damn.

Knowing I have the best argumenting skills makes me sleep well.

Like this

And not

This

[upper gust]

i think even 1200 elo players can blunder in 2 rook vs queen position

[upper gust]

you have the worst. you just say random stuff and then leave for 2 days

[manic mist]

gota be the two rooks i always trade my queen for two rooks and i win everytime

[jolly coral]

I hoped you understand satire.

Haha

[burnt harbor]

Probably 2 rooks. Even though the queen is a mor valuable piece, the rooks can outnumber the opponents pieces. A fork with the rooks is devastating, but can still work out. Since a queen and a rook have two of the same directions (up down, side to side) I believe the rooks can overpower the queen. Although a queen can be more useful in some endgames. The rooks usually stay on the board, and it is better to trade of the queens to get into a faster endgame. The rooks will dominate the board by overwhelming the opponents defense.

[upper gust]

dude this isn't about how probable is this happening this is about what would happen if your king got in endgame with one pawn vs two rooks and you somehow still made a queen

[scenic oriole]

Rooks can defend each other while attacking opponent. Two pieces can overall do more than one queen

[languid tiger]

if there is pawns a queen would be better

[deep harness]

Because quantity over quality☠️

[tulip swift]

Rooks are technically worth 10 points instead of 9 like the queen. You are also less likely to stalemate with a rook.

[elder rivet]

In this endgame masterpiece, the two rooks weave a tale of unity and synchronization. They form an unbreakable bond, each enhancing the other's strengths. With their combined might, they become an unstoppable force, dismantling defenses and seizing control of the board.

And as the curtains close, the two rooks stand side by side, their performance hailed as a masterpiece. Their exceptional teamwork, strategic brilliance, and captivating presence have proven that in the endgame, two rooks can outshine even the mightiest of opponents.

So, when faced with the choice, embrace the poetry of the two rooks. Let their synchronized dance guide your victory and leave a lasting impression on the chessboard stage.

u asked for creative i gave u one 😉

[jolly coral]

W answer

[upper gust]

so what you basically said. 2 pieces is more then one. no that is not creative that is just creative way to say it

also if they are on the same row they can't mate. queen alone still can. so this is useless

you are just proving my points

queen is better in every scenario until its not 2200+ elo game

[vale quarry]

queen because of limitless opurtunites

[hexed cedar]

Being honest two rooks are better. Rooks are good because if keep them united they can get better ranks and destroy opponent. But queen alone can do also a great job moving king to certain position going with your king. There are more endgames were rooks win against a lonely pawn than queen one. And in a final were 2 rooks play VS. a queen your completely loosed unless your opponent is a dumb. If they are almost no pieces in the board you can sac one rook and still have King and Rook checkmate. And if i have some orthographic error it's because i'm Mexican, and i'm still on elementary school.

[elder rivet]

care to read what i wrote my man, thats not what i basically said

[elder rivet]

ayyyy

[jolly coral]

🤓

[elder rivet]

[upper gust]

If you didn't write it like philosopher i wouldn't even answer

[elder rivet]

dont make sense buddy

nonetheless its up to the mods to decide ✌️

[upper gust]

yea? how

[lunar briar]

Would be fun to see something like this happen when checking answers here 😂😂😂

[pastel shore]

A queen and a king can deliver checkmate quickly as the queen is able to move sideways and vertically, allowing it better mobility in the endgame, thus making it the best piece in the endgame. Although the queen is able to move very freely, the sideways movement may sabotage the winning position by placing the opponent king in a stalemate position unintentionally. Two rooks do not risk a stalemate as much as a queen and a king. The two rooks can easily cover escape routes for the king and the opponent king will almost always have sufficient squares to move to, thus not risking a stalemate for the winning team.

In the event where two rooks faces off a queen, the two rooks can trade off one rook for the queen and still be able to win the game. Although if the side with the queen can force the two rooks to lose connection, the queen can easily take away a rook without losing itself and gaining an advantage, though this can be prevented by ensuring that the rooks are connected at all times.

Additionally, a blunder does not impact two rooks as much as a queen. A rook and a king is sufficient enough to checkmate the king. Losing a queen however will forve the game into a draw by insufficient material.

In conclusion, two rooks can beat a queen and is better in the endgame. Although the queen have the movement of a bishop and a rook combined, this can bring about disadvantages to the winning side as the sideway movement of the queen can cause unintentional stalemate. However, two rooks are able to avoid stalemate easily as the movement is simpler.

Winning with the queen and the king is riskier

[upper gust]

only idiot would get ladder mated when they have queen

[tepid iris]

depends on the situation, and who youre playing

[upper gust]

dude you are playing vs 2 rooks with 1 queen in this scenario stop saying what if

there is not a single what if

just state facts

idk what you guys are on. this is supposed to be channel about talking who would win. either queen or 2 rooks and everyone who is voting for the 2 rooks always has some what if

[lunar briar]

60 extra people wrong, hmm this is getting worse, sad

[noble hull]

2 rooks are better, cuz more pieces are better

[gray girder]

queen is 9 points, two rooks are 10

also, two rooks are easier to mate with

[upper gust]

how do you wanna shoulder/ ladder mate when queen is still on the board. and if they are on the same row they can't even mate so rooks are useless

they either have to protect each other or mate

[analog sonnet]

two pawns because i will turn them into two queens

[upper gust]

Gigasmart

[cinder needle]

rooks can easily skewer the queen and forks can be blocked if the rooks are connected

[valid owl]

it also depends if you know chess.... you can easily fork 2 rooks with a queen but if you play correctly... 2 rooks can beat a queen. Also it's harder to stalemate with 2 rooks

[clever forge]

rook cuz queen cant ladder mate

[analog sonnet]

Fr

[lone agate]

because of ladder mate

[crisp juniper]

2 rooks is simply superior because of ladder mate and the existence of pins and skewers. If there are still pawns on the board, then still 2 rooks because 2 is greater than 1. Sure, a queen can fork, but you don't have to let that happen by keeping the rooks connected.

[opal plume]

2 rooks easily wins vs a queen, 2 rooks can capture a queen by protecing eachother, ahd if queen forks, the rooks can protect eachother easily and then move the king till the queen goes away

[upper gust]

are you guys really that dumb? only under 400 elo players can lose to ladder or shoulder mate when they still have one queen up

[upper gust]

also if rooks are on the same row the whole game they can't win

bro this disqusion is going on for 2 WEEKS

2

[analog delta]

If the position does get to the point where you can start ladder mating, the best you can do is trade your queen for 1 rook, and then the rook and the king can win.

[cunning field]

in the early game, a queen is almost always better in my opinion, but if its an endgame, i would almost always choose 2 rooks

[hidden cape]

Queen

[upper gust]

see the gay among us cripsy says its queen

[zinc kelp]

Queen > two rooks, one less piece you could blunder

[deep harness]

2 rooks cs more points :)

[silent quarry]

Rook cuz pins and gotham

[upper gust]

This is the same logic as saying you would win vs pro in fps game just bcs he could use one hand. Yes there is a Chance but there is much bigger chance that the queen takes one rook and then you are basically screwed. Just bcs you got slight advantage it doesnt mean you automatically win. You need to check on only one piece when you are using the queen when you are using the rooks you need to check 2 pieces that you can't lose

And also if you want to mate the king you gotta put the rooks on different lanes that means they can't protect each other. Queen can win just by only checking the king and randomly blocking him with your own rook. Also this an disadvantage too. The more you have the bigger the chance you block your own king. Queen is 100 times better then the 2 rooks in every scenario

[ionic sage]

Open position two rooks any day closed position queenmore preferred over rooks (obv still very positional dependent)

Both combos are extremely versatile in their own rights

[ionic sage]

Not the right comparison

[ionic sage]

No offence but this is extremely shallow understanding of the question posed

But again

People are entitled to their own opinion ig

[lunar briar]

💯 😂

[pine flume]

2 rooks, however queen if rooks are not connected.

[worldly marsh]

If its late game then id rather have a queen, I find that its better for the position because it can check the king from many more positions and can help pawns promote better then two rooks could.

[upper gust]

How many times does it have to be said there is no ifs it's just queen vs 2 rooks

[hidden cape]

No

[deep harness]

bro im js tryna be dumb calm down

[deep harness]

also the last sentence in this is very wrong, each combo is good in its own position. There are millions of possible positions in chess, so saying that one queen is better than rooks in some positions is incredibly arrogant, also replying to a dumb comment with two paragraphs on YOUR own opinion is very arrogant aswell. Please educate yourself on manners and how to state your own opinion.

[upper gust]

okey i will say it how i think it

I think your opinion is incredibly dumb

[deep harness]

🤣

how kind

in a channel that entitles people to their own opinion idk what to say