#Knights vs Bishops

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scenic vortex
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have u ever heard of triple skewer or quadruple pin?

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crimson garnet
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yeah

rose seal
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they can skewer everything u can also pin

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🧷

scenic vortex
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still...

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my stand remains

rose seal
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still knights betrer

tranquil wraith
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The only pair of material that cannot protect themselves is bishop

hollow plover
rose seal
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yes

hollow plover
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knight's checks cannot be blocked whereas bishop's can be

rose seal
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skewer

hollow plover
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a cornered bishop can be blocked easily with two pawns where as knights cant be blocked easily

rose seal
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ect

cosmic pumice
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For 3000 elo bishops are more good but at 1000 elo double attack king Queen are good with knights

crimson garnet
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when bishop pins it will win material but will lose the bishop but a knight can also fork a piece for free sometimes

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hollow plover
rose seal
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yeah!!

cosmic pumice
rose seal
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4ever

hollow plover
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yes

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tranquil wraith
cosmic pumice
hollow plover
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cosmic pumice
tranquil wraith
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There is just so many answers on this channel

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But one thing for sure, the person who had an answer in the size of essay aint winning 😂

rose seal
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The bishop and knight are close enough in value that it all depends on the position. If your opponent has two rooks, and a queen in a position that a knight can penetrate, and create a lot of threats, with a great pawn structure to keep the knight in your opponent's territory, the knight is better.

hollow plover
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the big ones yes

crimson garnet
hollow plover
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cuz the mods will think they used chatgpt

tranquil wraith
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Lmao

crimson garnet
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i took 10 mins to write it down lmao

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😭

tranquil wraith
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I used ChatGPT but I admitted it

rose seal
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Even google agrees with us

tranquil wraith
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Alr knights, gotta go

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Cya

hollow plover
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i sat 5 mins and came up with this xd

cosmic pumice
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It's AlphaZero and the bot say 3.05 for knights, 3.33 for bishops, 5.63 for tower and 9.50 for queen

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100% validate

tranquil wraith
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And also knight checks cannot be blocked which is better for forking

cosmic pumice
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The french video about this

tranquil wraith
hollow plover
rose seal
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ok

crimson garnet
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well i have written it point -wise and chat gpt cant do that . i hope mods will read lmao

tranquil wraith
cosmic pumice
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He is forced to take

tranquil wraith
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.

cosmic pumice
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Me

tranquil wraith
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No

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Me

cosmic pumice
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Me

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Hehe

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XD

hollow plover
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Me

crimson garnet
tranquil wraith
grand patio
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Bishops can theoretically travel across the entire board in one move, and they are worth slightly more

cosmic pumice
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Goodbye thanks for the talk

crimson garnet
severe dawn
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Simple rule, Bishops are better in open spaces and knights are better in closed spaces, most endgames are open spaces therefore I choose the bishop

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800 people have probably said this though

tender solar
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Knight are better. You can run the queen over with a horse

severe dawn
tender solar
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Calm down with the caps. Knights are better overall.

brazen steeple
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Nopes and also my opinion

tender solar
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Why is everyone talking about which is better? The fact you run over the queen with a horse is the ultimate argument

ocean trench
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Bishops because ha ha funny scholars mate

wide hazel
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My explanation about my answer for Bishop's team.
Bishop's and Knight's never being always better or worse, position is giving matter. But i will try to be general.

General reasoning:

Bishop's are best when they controlling big diagonals, they become ideal for supporting pawns in offensive. They are best for endgame and forking pawns that time. By the fact Bishop much better at forking than Knight, using x-ray attack. It can immobilise enemy Knights on border of board. If both bishop's attacks big diagonals, then game literally won for them. And bishop can create chain with pawn, extremely useful feature. Vital in mill position's. Usually powerless at center, but in some position's can become boss of the whole board.

Knights are best for penetration of closed positions from inside. His T like moves useful for supporting pawn attacks and forking enemy. Especially good at giving pretty checkmates. Controls very much vital squares while in center. Very good at endgames with only one alive pawnside.

Plus and cons:

Bishop's:

+Can fork enemy pawn's
+Generally better at pair
+Supporting allies pawns
+Able to form indestructible chain's with lawns
+Better at endgame with two alive pawnsides
+Able to make powerful X-ray attacks.
+Able to pin Queen or Rook to the King.
+Vital in Mill.
+Can control all board and slow down enemy king moves.
+Very useful for supporting mat attacks.
-Can be easily catched by enemy pawns in some cases.
-Bad when enemy have one alive pawnside, mostly even useless.
-Needed time to develop. Sometimes becoming useless in middlegame because of lack of temp and stays still at the place.
-Can be blocked by enemy pawns.
-Can be easily dodged by enemy Queen or Rooks.

Knights:

+Able to do fork's with special T shape.
+Becoming extremely powerful at outpost in center of the board.
+Able to ruin closed positions and penetrate them.
+Able to make checkmate with pair.
+Better in endgame with one pawnside.

brazen steeple
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No research mychad

tender solar
grand patio
rough mesa
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Bishops are better than knights because they can move further across the board and are more pivotal throughout the game.

quartz galleon
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knights are the only piece that can jump over other pieces

wide gorge
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Bishops can cover infinite distance on a infinite chess board but knights cant

mental light
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Knights look better in most piece sets EZ

wide gorge
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Stockfish 15 prefers Bishops over knights
In most situations

wide hazel
# wide hazel My explanation about my answer for Bishop's team. Bishop's and Knight's never be...

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+Main attacking figure that can be supported by rook or bishop to give unexpected taking with opening.
-Completely useless while at border of the board.
-Can and will stuck in well-build open positions.
-Completely helpless while pinned.
-Cant pinning
-Sometimes can be catched by enemy pawns while being surrounded by your own pawns. (That happened today in my classic time control qualification tournament party.)
-Has bad mobility instead of Bishop, in some position's will be unusable because of giant scale of moves needed to take him from dot A to dot B.
-Easily being forked by enemy Queen.

In a summ, i think Bishop's slightly better generally.

wide gorge
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Earlier Bishops were rated 3.5 and knights were rated 3 points, which was later changed

fossil chasm
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NOOOO bishop lovers when its an opposite bishop colour endgame and they will just shuffle pieces for 50 moves

native galleon
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The chess board gets an extra collum, what would you rather have, an extra knight, or an extra bishop.

empty nest
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extra knight

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Personally, I prefer knights. I play rapid, but in bullet games, knights are terrifying due to how they move. They are also the only piece able to penetrate closed positions.
In open positions, they are able to fork very well.
Bishops are better in open positions though, simply due to most of the time controlling more useful squares.

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oh oh.

summer yacht
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Knifes are better because you can much easily fork with the king and any other piece

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Knights

fossil chasm
nocturne trench
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Knights can just fork everything and they make the whole value of the chess set EZ 💸

versed kettle
rough mesa
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Both are good,
In closed positions knights are better
Like in the Queen's gambit or Ruy lopez
Because you can have better manuels
Anyway for example: in the closed Ruy lopez Chigorin or Bryer variation
One of whites plan is to push the g2-g4 pawn and play Nd2 Nf1 Ng3 Nf5 so he can put pressure on black positions
Also a bishop is better in Open positions , actually they are OP in open positions! Especially if you have the bishop pair
Imagine your white and you Have ur bishop on B3 and B2 , black king is weak!!
Both Knight and bishop are good , depends on what type of player you are!

By the way ; Queens + Knight > Queen bishop
Rook + Bishop > Rook + Knight in endgames
( According to the world champ and stockfish 15.1 )

clear zenith
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Bishops can move diagonally across the board, which gives them more long-range mobility than knights. Knights move in an L-shape and can only jump over other pieces, which limits their mobility. In open positions, where there are fewer pawns blocking the board, bishops are usually more effective than knights. Bishops can move freely across the board and attack from a distance, while knights may have difficulty finding good squares to attack from. Knights are tricky but for example when there are pawns on both sides of the board in the endgame, bishops are better. Knights are fun and tricky though. Me personally I still like bishops more. (maybe it's because I hate getting forked by a knight😑🙄) Of course there are situations where knights are better than bishops, but my personal choose is the bishop

weary elm
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You can backseat me, but don't backseat stockfish
It's a dead draw

ornate cosmos
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knight betta cuz he move in L

crystal hinge
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Knight > Bishop

Bishop cringe

  • Diagonals only (checkers 🤢 )
  • Piece is fictional and doesn't look like a real bishop
  • Can't change between light squares and dark squares 😂

Knight GIGAHORSIE

  • Doesn't follow paterns, literally the only piece in the game which can move in a L shape (or W in blitz)
  • Based off of an animal humans have known for centuries and is the most realistic piece on the board 🐴
  • Will move to wherever it wants (teleportation is enabled below 1000 elo)

Bonus! The Knight is also called horse in other languages (Caballo, Cavalo)

potent plume
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the bishop is better in open positions but when there is alot of pawns and shit u cannot move freely whereas the knight can be useful in both situations, its more versatile and therefore better 🙂

shy mist
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I mean they're both really insane, but here are some reasons why they're both goated:

Bishops are just goated for covering all those squares and just being big laser beams across the board. I had a game a week ago where material was equal but I had 2 Bishops staring at HUGE diagonals and ended up restricting my opponent's movement completely.

Knights are goated to hold control of your opponent's side of the board or hop around to hit so many things at once. I had a game yesterday where my opponent sac'd 2 pieces for a Rook. I ended up with 2 Knights and ended up winning a queen and exchange via fork.

In the end:
They're both insane for sure. At lower levels, I'd say Knights are better for their trickiness and at high levels (Even though I'm not there kekw) I've heard that bishops are a little bit better than knights. I suppose Bishops are technically better but Knights hold a special place in my heart for being "Haha funi horsey go BRRRRRRRR". That's why I chose the Knight. Srry for this being so long.

crystal hinge
inland fractal
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Bishops can cover more squares and are better late game. They can also look pieces easily which makes them very useful.

rough mesa
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Both are good,
In closed positions knights are better
Like in the Queen's gambit or Ruy lopez
Because you can have better manuels
Anyway for example: in the closed Ruy lopez Chigorin or Bryer variation
One of whites plan is to push the g2-g4 pawn and play Nd2 Nf1 Ng3 Nf5 so he can put pressure on black positions
Also a bishop is better in Open positions , actually they are OP in open positions! Especially if you have the bishop pair
Imagine your white and you Have ur bishop on B3 and B2 , black king is weak!!
Both Knight and bishop are good , depends on what type of player you are!

regal basalt
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bro solved it

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i agree knights are better

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but

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thats a paragraph

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tldr type beat

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too long didnt read

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wait huh

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wym

little kiln
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Knights can force a fork, Can be very maneuverable, and can protect pieces without being in immediate danger

regal basalt
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ik

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but how would you get it

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yea but what for!?!?!?!?

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ohhhh

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ohhhhhhhh

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OHHHHHH

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ok

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give me a sec to write every possible good move for a bishop and horse

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and compare

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to which has more

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fr

warm sphinx
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knights bc you has es fork

rough mesa
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KNIGHTS TOGETHER ARE STRONG
can defend each other unlike bishops
triple or quadriple forking is possible
many forks can be useful
can get out of sticky situations because of it's unnatural movement
it can jump pieces
you can't block a check meaning in openings you could be forced to lose castling rights
In my opinion knight endgames are fun
trying to figure out how to stop pawn promotions during endgame is nice
goated at the center
not going to lie bishops are also good sniping abilities are rare at low ELO cause positions are relatively closed, but still can fork rook and king or rook and knight in some cases
knight is the only piece which can attack a queen which is not pinned without being attacked itself
can reach all squares unlike a single bishop
easier to stop promotions in pawn endgames
Knight pairs are better as the knight can defend each other unlike bishops

woeful bay
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It feels better physically to make a knight move otb, e.g. haha i jump over your piece! - Take that!

thorn ivy
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bishops can snipe you from one end of the map while it's on the other, it's better for long attacks, and 2 bishop end games are easier than knight end games bishops might need to wait for something to come into its colored square, but at least it doesnt have to reroute a bunch of times, knights also can't kill a pawn that's open because it can run away from it (unless it waits at the end ofc)

south cape
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Knights are tricky in nature while bishop might could control more square than knight, a bishop threat can be reduced by putting ur pieces in right color square, now a bishop pair though is a different story, but since the vote was to pick either a knight or a bishop i think generally knight has more opportunity to make threat while bishop might be able to control more square, but my preference is to make threat so knight it is.

timber hedge
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Knights are more powerful in a closed position and majority of the chess position are closed in chess and knights are more powerful in these position.

lapis terrace
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Both are good,
In closed positions knights are better
Like in the Queen's gambit or Ruy lopez
Because you can have better manuels
Anyway for example: in the closed Ruy lopez Chigorin or Bryer variation
One of whites plan is to push the g2-g4 pawn and play Nd2 Nf1 Ng3 Nf5 so he can put pressure on black positions
Also a bishop is better in Open positions , actually they are OP in open positions! Especially if you have the bishop pair
Imagine your white and you Have ur bishop on B3 and B2 , black king is weak!!
Both Knight and bishop are good , depends on what type of player you are!

By the way ; Queens + Knight > Queen bishop
Rook + Bishop > Rook + Knight in endgames
( According to the world champ and stockfish 15.1

rough mesa
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yeah
many ctrl+c and ctrl+v in chat

brazen steeple
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BISHOPS DO CONTROL MORE SQUARES THEN KNIGHT BUT THE KNIGHT CAN JUMP OVER OTHER PIECES IF A BISHOP GETS ON B OR G 7,2 ITS VERY POWERFULL BUT IF A KNIGHT GETS PLACED ON THE CENTRE ITS A GOATED PIECE AN OCTOPUS KNIGHT BUT THIS DOSENT PROVE THAT ITS BETTER IF A BISHOP GETS PLACED IN THE CENTRE ITS GOOD TO SO .THE BISHOPS ARE BETTER? NOT EXACTLY CUZ THE KNIGHTS MIGHT NOT CONTROL MANY SQUARES BUT THEY ARE VERY HELPFULL IN AN LOCKED POSITION BISHOPS ARE HELP FULL IN A OPENED POSITION BUT THE KNIGHTS ABILITY TO JUMP OVER PIECES IS SO COOL AND A KNIGHT CAN FORK SO CAN BISHOP BUT A KNIGHT CAN FORK MULTIPLE PIECES BUT THE BISHOPS ARE VERY HELP FULL IN CONTROLLING WEAK SQUARES CALLED AS COLOUR WEAKNESSES AND ALSO IT CAN BE VERY HELPFULL IN ENDGAMES TO CHOP THE PAWNSSS AND IF A BISHOP IS STANDING IN FRONT OF A PAWN CHAIN AND PAWN PROTECTING THE BISHOP AND THE BISHOP PROTECTING THE PAWN AND NO OTHER EQUAL PIECE OR A PAWN CANT ATTACK THE BISHOP THE BISHOP IS BADASS THERE LIKE IT WILL STAY THERE FOR THE END IF YOU DONT SAC SOMETHING FOR THAT BISHOP AND A BISHOP PARE IS CONSIDERED BETTER THAN A KNIGHT PAIR BECAUSE THESE BISHOPS WILL ABSOLUTELY BREAK YOUR MIND WITH PINS ETC YA PINS THESE PINS ARE SO ANNOYING WITH THE BISHOP IT CAN CAUSE A MENTAL BREAKDOWN AND NORMALLY A BISHOP PIN IS ON THE KNIGHT. BUT WHEN THE KNIGHTS ARE CONNECTED DAMN LIKE YOU AINT SEPARATING THEM WITH OUT A PAWN IN ORDER TO SEE WHICH ONE IS BETTER LETS SEE AT THEIRS STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES -
BISHOPS

  1. USED IN ATTACKING WITH PINS
  2. USED TO CONTROL THE BOARD FROM LONG RANGE
    3)CAN SLOW ENEMY KING
  3. BUT CAN GET TRAPED WITH PAWNS
  4. CAN BE BLOCKED WITH PAWNS

KNIGHTS
1)FORK
2) IF GET A GOOD OUTPOST ITS OWER POWERED
3) CAN BE A HUGE THREAT IN CLOSED POSITIONS
4)ATTACKS WITH A QUEEN VERY WELL
5)CAN GET TRAPPED IN THE ENEMIES POSITION
6) IS STUPID WHILE PINNED TO THE QUEEN NORMALLY
7) CANT PIN ANYTHING
8) IS TRASHH IN THE SIDE OF THE BOARD
9) get attacked by the enemy pawns
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rough mesa
brazen steeple
rough mesa
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oh ok

brazen steeple
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And ya no research mychad

rough mesa
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same my answer too

errant karma
brazen steeple
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Yep

rough mesa
kindred kayak
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Knight better because you need it to make the most satisfying mate, the smothered mate.

ruby pagoda
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Bishops are cool and all but it's a horsie

potent plume
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knights move in an L so therefore are the L-losers, bishops better, ratio

gilded chasm
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Knight cos german fork, no need to say any more than that

tardy valve
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Bishops are better than knights, because are pieces that can go through half of the board in 1 move, they control way more squares than the knights, they can be tricky with queens and rooks(pins skewers discoveries etc.) also they are so much better than the knights in the endgames, because of their mobility.

gloomy shell
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knights because they are very strong in the opening, can fork easier than the bishop, and they can jump over pieces

unique vector
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bishops are basically rooks but diagonal and they can snipe pieces from across the board

bishops can also be used for discovered attacks and discovered checks, and if in danger can run away (unless your opponent has something against that bishop and blocks off every single square that it can run to)

you might say "knights can fork pieces!!!!!!! how is bishop better than knight?????? your just bad at chess!!!!!!" but guess what? bishops can fork pieces too!!! bishops can fork 2 rooks, a queen and a rook (if the bishop is defended), and it can pin pieces to the king

knights can be trapped easily and forks from knights are obvious since knights are literally known for doing forks

when a dark squared and a light squared bishop work together they can be op and can really help in early checkmates, the scholars mate works because of the bishop being able to move across the board very fast
pros of a knight:
-you can trade them for bishops
-you can fork the pieces of people who haven't gotten enough sleep or are below 500 elo
-it can defend other pieces
pros of a bishop
-it can snipe pieces
-controls more squares
-moves faster than a knight
-can fork pieces
-can pin pieces
-it can defend pieces
-can block off squares that the opponent king can run to, which helps you checkmate

however i do not discriminate against horse lovers and i respect everyones opinions 🤝

ok thats all bye

sterile moth
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In closed positions with a locked pawn center, knights are more powerful because they can jump around while other pieces cannot. In open positions with fewer pieces on the board, bishops are more powerful because two bishops can force a checkmate. However, the bishop pair is powerful in any position because they can cover different parts of the board. The value of knights and bishops also depends on the position and the combinations that exist in it. To win in chess, it's all about piece activity and creating two threats at once. Sometimes sacrificing material is necessary to gain piece activity and achieve a draw or even a win.
Although if we listen to the great Fischer, he has stated that Bishop is worth 3.25, not 3.5.
But if we talk about teamwork knights are better in defending each other whereas 2 bishops and a king can deliver a checkmate but 2 knights and a king cant.

In conclusion it all depends on your play style. I prefer to proceed to the endgame as fast as possible so I prefer Bishops > Knight (and also i am bad in openings)

nocturne cosmos
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I like knights more bc I use them more, and you can fork too

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I get that you can fork with the Bishop, but it's way more common with knights

unique vector
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who ghost pinged me 😡 😡

nocturne cosmos
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Me 💀

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Was an accident mb

unique vector
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ok

hushed lodge
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Knight can just ignore the pieces and jump but bishop cannot. If your bishop gets blocked with pawns you cannot save it, but there's still a chance when it's knight

sterile tree
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So Knights can fork stuff and jump over other pieces but bishops can be also powerful if they work together and/or if they help a Queen with giving a checkmate. In my opinion,knightst are more unique than bishops because the queen can also go on diagonal Squares so for me the knight is even if it's just a little bit but the Knight is better.

upper lynx
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I believe its knights because
If it checks a king, it has to move his butt off that square or capture the knight. Unlike any other piece checking the king that could be blocked with another piece.

rough mesa
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Knights since a knight can fork pieces meaning the opponent can lose material if they are not careful or just being reckless and not knowing they can lose a valuable piece.
Plus this piece supports development early game, which can be useful for attacks later on when your opponent has certain weaknesses.
The movement of the knight is very unappreciated and most people never find the advantage of them, especially for beginners.
It's always good to play-around with the knights movement and getting used to how powerful it can be (like most pieces.)
At the end of the day, it's just your play style, either if you want to use a bishop or a knight, that's for you to decide.
I may be wrong here but** feel free **to ping me about what I said incorrectly.

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but then you can fork with bishops as well but knights are more common

viscid coral
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Bishops are relatively better. Though some may say that knights are better with forks, the reach of the bishops, especially in endgame, can be extremely useful as stopping passed pawns, threatening pieces & checkmate, and even mobilizing your pieces are all benefits of the bishop. Knights, however, only have the benefit of jumping over pieces and being able to check over pieces. Though useful in early game and somewhat in middle game, they would quickly be sacrificed as their use in endgame would be futile. That is why I chose bishop.

wanton salmon
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You can mate with 2 bishops, you cant mate with 2 knights. Bishops are 🔛 🔝

native hinge
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For me, knights are better. My overall use of the knight is a lot more easy than the bishop. For top players, bishops are better, but as a low level player, I'm saying knights

torpid mural
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bishop simply because of the range it has

mighty ginkgo
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knight better because neigh

tender solar
worn igloo
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Bishops are better in open positions, control more squares, can fianchetto in certain openings and become one of the strongest features of those openings and can stop a passed pawn faster. Knights are better blockaders, are better at forking and are better in closed positions, They're very slow however, and don't cover as many squares. In bullet, I like knights. But in blitz and classical I like bishops they control of more squares and make the game easier for me. Since I didn't think this poll was talking about bullet, I go with bishops because they tend to be better most of the time.

keen timber
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i like the horsey it jumps

wicked valve
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Horses have a better design

primal plume
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I like knights because they’re tricky, sometimes even to higher rated players. Yes, at a higher level a bishop can exert more power, but practically for most people here keeping a knight would give more chances to sudden tricks

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At lower levels tactical tricks are what win the game, so it makes sense to keep the most tricky and unpredictable piece

hasty jackal
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I think bishops are stronger than knights because bishops can do pins, skewers, block promotions, and forks as opposed to the knight which can only block promotions and do forks really well. Bishops also tend to be better in the endgame for me when the position is more open as they control more squares.

golden glade
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Bishops are harder to spot

teal cradle
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Bishops are better because they can give pins

orchid solar
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Despite the argument of bishop being better, knight is the superior piece. It can jump over other pieces, put direct attacks on the king that forces it to move, and has deadly forks that can win the game. If you’ve ever played and lost your took or even a queen to a fork, you know what I’m talking about. Being able to jump over pieces is a huge advantage over the bishop, making it able to dodge attacks and quickly get into action. The bishop can only see half the squares and forks are much less uncommon. Also, bishops can get easily trapped and lost in just a few moves. That’s why the knight is better than the bishop peepoShy #knights>bishops

hard mountain
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In chess, the bishop and the knight are two of the most important pieces on the board. Both pieces have unique strengths and weaknesses, and each can be valuable in different situations. However, when it comes to comparing the bishop and the knight, many players believe that the bishop is ultimately the superior piece.
One of the main reasons why bishops are better than knights is their greater range of movement. Bishops are able to move diagonally across the board, covering many squares at once. This allows bishops to control a larger area of the board than knights, which can be especially useful in the early stages of the game when controlling the center of the board is key. Additionally, bishops are able to move across the board quickly and efficiently, making them a great piece for attacking and defending.
Another advantage of bishops over knights is their ability to work together. When two bishops are placed on opposite-colored squares, they can cover a wide range of the board and work together to control large swaths of territory. By contrast, knights are not as effective when working in pairs because they are limited in their movement and must work around other pieces on the board.
Bishops are also more valuable in the endgame, when the board is less crowded and mobility becomes even more important. In the endgame, bishops can be used to attack from afar and defend key squares, while knights can become trapped or limited in their movement by other pieces on the board.
In general, bishops are considered the stronger piece due to their greater mobility and ability to work together effectively.
In conclusion, while both bishops and knights are important pieces in chess, bishops are generally considered the superior piece. Their greater range of movement, ability to work together, and value in the endgame make them a key component of any successful chess strategy.

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orchid solar
hard mountain
orchid solar
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That’s how

orchid solar
hard mountain
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bro

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what is that

orchid solar
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Copyleaks

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Ai detector

hard mountain
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wth is copyleaks

orchid solar
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Imagine being so dumb you get caught cheating within 5 seconds

hard mountain
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aight lemme rewrite it

orchid solar
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Dawg too late for that

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You already cheated

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They not gonna accept it now

hard mountain
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nah but if I submit a new one

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🙏

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and dont cheat

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itll be fine

native galleon
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Promoting a pawn into a bishop = omg 🤓 just get a queen, Promoting into a Knight = :chad: giving the opponent the L (move)

hard mountain
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wait

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In chess, people often value the bishop and the knight, arguing which piece is better. Both pieces are worth 3 points, and each have their own weaknesses. However, when comparing the bishop and knight, the bishop is objectively better. Bishops have a wider range of movement, and can move diagonally across the board. Bishops control an entire diagonal at once, making them a very useful piece. Bishops control a larger area than knights, along with longer range. This is very useful as bishops are needed to help control the center in the early game. Bishops can also move very quickly around the board making them a very useful piece to attack and defend with. Knights have very limited movement, and are not very useful in pairs. Bishops in my opinion, are more useful than a knight in the endgame. This is because the bishop can move around the whole board at once, while the knight can only move up to 3 squares at once. Bishops are better than knights because they are more important because of their movement range, versatility, coverage of the board and more. If you don’t believe me, even Gary Kasparov claims that bishops are better than knights. Although knights can fork, bishops also have forking versatility.
In conclusion, bishops are objectively stronger than knights.

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@orchid solar

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I wrote it al myself

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ok bro

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blissful coral
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bishops

lavish idol
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Knights are better, they aid heavily in beginning-game development which is arguably the most important part of a game of chess (being that the opening can decide the entire course of the rest of the game). Their movement may be objectively worse, but you can deliver some unexpected brilliant 's with their ability of being able to effectively phase through pieces. That is my argument.

rose barn
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Knight- forks. Imagine you move a knight to check and fork the king, queen, and rook

granite comet
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The knight is stronger than the bishop, as it has the ability to move in eight directions rather than just diagonally, and can jump over other pieces on the board and make fork. The bishop, however, is confined to only diagonal movement and cannot jump over pieces.

ripe aurora
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it depends

dusty shard
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It’s the bishop because of how it can fork pieces and if it’s 2 of them, they can work together to overtake the board.

hexed patrol
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Despite being equal to the other chess pieces, the knight is viewed differently by different people. For a variety of reasons, I believe the knight to be one of the most valuable pieces on the board. First off, the knight is particularly helpful in closed positions where moving is more difficult for normal pieces, but not for the knight due to its exceptional ability to jump over other pieces. Second, the knight develops quickly since, in contrast to other pieces, it doesn't need to move pawns to enter the game early. Finally, the knight can move in more than one hue, making it versatile and adaptive to many circumstances. I also think the bishop is worse because the queen can also move diagonally, but have you ever seen a queen move like a knight? Last but not least, the knight forks extremely well, enabling double threats and opening up chances for tactical gains. In general, I think the knight can be a game-changer in the right hands.

split goblet
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Knights can give forks. During the end game if the king chases the knight with a rook nearby the chance of a knight forking a rook and checking the king is super high. Especially if your opponent is low one time. On the other hand one bishop is mostly useless because it can only guard black squares or white squares. If you have a rook and a bunch of pawns you can just avoid the squares the bishop is on. Knights can also just go on any square. One disadvantage a knight has is that it doesn't have a long range like a bishop does.

sterile condor
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Bishops are just more valuable than knights. I mean bishops have both pinning and forking chances.

mild oak
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Knights give forks and I need to eat

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Meanwhile all a bishop gives is a pin??? or a skewer?? what do i do with this?? What am I pinning? I have thumb tacks for this stuff, and that is why I bought Expert Grill 12" Natural Bamboo Skewers for Grilling, 100 Count for 97 cents.

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A fork also makes for a much better self defense weapon.

rough mesa
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Bishops can control diagonals from a distance, making them especially effective in open positions where they have plenty of room to maneuver. Knights, on the other hand, are short-range pieces that can only move to squares that are two squares away in a straight line. Also bishops are usually more effective than knights when there are pawns of the same color on the board, as the pawns can limit the mobility of knights. Bishops, on the other hand, can move around the pawns more easily, making them more valuable in these situations. FInally Bishops can control more squares than knights in some situations. For example, a bishop can control up to 13 squares from the center of the board, while a knight can only control up to 8 squares from the center.

finite creek
native galleon
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Overall.

finite creek
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triple knight is something i dont wanna face off 😂

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but if it was like triple knights vs triple bishops, knights easily

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there should be a variation on chess.com to choose a extra lane and a 3rd piece of ur choice 🤔

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thatd settle whats better 😂

fathom cave
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Knights can jump over pieces, and can carefully manoeuvre around a board with the upmost precision. Bishops stay in a corner most of the game waiting for the opponent to accidentally misplace a piece. Bishops can also get easily get stuck behind their own pawns, is that a problem for the knight? Not in the slightest. And when push comes to shove, bishops can be ‘big pawns’, while knights can gain a free queen with ease

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Also the knight is pony, need I say less

rough mesa
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Whoever is going to filter all of this and pick the winner, gl

finite creek
grand shuttle
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knights are able to take outposts and maneuver around the board. In closed positions they are really dangerous, they can also fork pieces, causing your opponent to have to be more cautious when a knight is involved in the attack. Knights are able to jump over pieces, giving them more escape routes than a bishop.

olive latch
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Knights are literally the only unit that can protect each other in all of chess if you do not count promoted bishops and queens

rough mesa
olive latch
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Tell me how to rooks and pawns protect each other

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Maybe not rooks

rough mesa
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Hmm if we look technically pawns not much but in certain cases like king pawn endgames yes

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But yep rooks

olive latch
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I guess knights have the additional ability of Worthing more in closed positions

rough mesa
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This has been said like at least 10 different times try better

vague hearth
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Bishops are better than Knights as Knights only take L s

lilac coyote
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Well horses have always existed, but bishops and the organized church have only existed for so long, so obviously the knight is the better piece, as it is as old as time itself

rough mesa
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knights can control both dark and light squares while also being tricky, your opponent has to be careful so they dont blunder a fork

autumn heron
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Bishops are more valuable as they can go across the board and limit the squares for many pieces,

rough mesa
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Knights can both control both square buts its impossible to get to a spot where the knights can control many squares in 1 move, plus it sometimes even taking 3+ moves to reroute the knight to do its job

I believe bishops are better because they can control plenty of squares especially at the center, when Bobby Fischer was around (RIP legend) he believed that bishops were better in more positions that knights, and when chess engines came around, he was right.

Besides Bobby Fischer's Opinion, A knight and bishop can fork, but knights can't pin or x-ray pieces

Now no matter what, there will always be limitations to what pieces can & can not do, though in the end I prefer a queen

TL;DR Bishops are better because they control more squares have a more tactical advantage than knights.

tacit vault
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knights because horse can jump over everything horsey go brrr

bronze musk
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So I think that the best reason that knights are better is that even though bishops are good for checkmates, knights are good at forking and getting away. Bishops are very easily trapped but knights are easy to keep alive. I think that knights are better all around

mild dock
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It’s a close call but I prefer bishops because they can attack from nearly anywhere on the board whereas knights can only be moved semi-awkwardly to get to places. It’s true that the knight can fork pieces without being attacked themselves but a bishop can do that as well in some circumstances making the advantage minimal. It’s almost universally agreed on that a bishop is worth a little more than a knight on the board. When a knight is on the board, it can attack no more than 8 squares when it’s in the center of the board. A bishop and attack up to 13 squares under the same circumstances. Bishops can pin pieces easily too. In the beginning of the game, they can easily pin knights and later on, in the middle of the game, they can potentially fork two pieces. They are only able to attack the same color square. But when you have two bishops they can attack all the squares together. They are also really good for checkmates because they can attack corner to corner. I cannot tell you how many times I have been checkmated by a Queen and bishop combo. Setting up a battery is really powerful and you can’t do that with a knight. The awkward movement of the knight can make it hard to get it to safe places where it will be attacked easily and that makes it easy to trap. In the end game, bishops have a large advantage because they have a large amount of the board available to them and they can simply control more squares that way.

snow galleon
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Knight is a special piece found to out manoeuvres al most all other pieces as it has differ attack patterns aswell as a special attack patterns without being attacked itself unless it is attacked by another knight aswell as it's common ability to fork other pieces making it a huge advantage for yourself although the bishop control far more squares than the knight in endgame and could possibly trapped more pieces aswell being one of the most common pieces however it does have flaws despite the bishop having the vision over the board aswell as guarding many pieces it can also be attacked itself very easily without attacking the enemy pieces despite of this I think the knight is still far better suited to keep any pieces in check aswell as trap them as the knight attack patterns is abnormal and special in the game of chess being able too attack many other pieces without it being attacked as it has a unique attack patterns despite controlling no more than 8 squares
Taking it out of the endgame the knight can also be very VERY deadly midgame as it controls and can form outposts to keep the enemy pieces and materials in check aswell as taking away any valuable squares the enemy could exploid to win the battle against you without being attacked itself aswell as possibly being heavily guarded if attacked as it has a unique attack patterns it would hardly be attacked in the first place unless the enemy force kick the knight away it can easy run away aswell due to its unique movement patterns
These are the reasons as to why I think the knight is better than the bishop

pastel moth
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Knights are better for openings and mid game as it allows you to fork multiple pieces at a time which a bishop cannot do and a bishop can only travel in its color eg black or white diagonals so knight is better

lapis terrace
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Both are good,
In closed positions knights are better
Like in the Queen's gambit or Ruy lopez
Because you can have better manuels
Anyway for example: in the closed Ruy lopez Chigorin or Bryer variation
One of whites plan is to push the g2-g4 pawn and play Nd2 Nf1 Ng3 Nf5 so he can put pressure on black positions
Also a bishop is better in Open positions , actually they are OP in open positions! Especially if you have the bishop pair
Imagine your white and you Have ur bishop on B3 and B2 , black king is weak!!
Both Knight and bishop are good , depends on what type of player you are!

By the way ; Queens + Knight > Queen bishop
Rook + Bishop > Rook + Knight in endgames
( According to the world champ and stockfish 15.1

late ginkgo
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Bishops are better than knights. Knights are not even knights; they are horses!

molten bramble
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Knight and bishops both are effective pieces depends on situation but bishops are good because bishops are more versatile than knights. Bishops can move quickly across the board and control multiple squares at once, whereas knights move more slowly and are more limited in their range. Bishops can also operate effectively from a distance, which can be useful for attacking or defending important squares. Additionally, bishops can work together to control long diagonal lines of the board, which can be very powerful.

boreal zodiac
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so at last who won

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fossil elm
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pawns are better

tender solar
minor socket
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Bishops are by far the best option as they provide a versatile range of functionality that simply overrules the power of knights in all general chess scenarios, whether that be within the opening, the middle game, or the end game.

THE OPENING:Within the opening, Bishops take up long diagonals and hinder the power of the opponents peice mobility . Take for example the Italian Game (e4, e5, nf3, nc6, bc4). Now ponder this, what is whites knight on f3 achieving? It targets Blacks e5 pawn; and nothing else. This shows the weak functionality of the knight only attack one peice and controlling squares to which don't hinder the opponents peice movement by any slight measure. Well now look at whites bishop on c4. It takes up a long diagonal, and applies pressure to blacks biggest weakness on the board. The F7 square. This shows the utter superiority of the bishop within the most common opening.

THE MIDDLE GAME. Bishops are an essential tool for middle game scenarios and over power the knight by a significant measure. Take for example, a bishops power in long diagonal skewers, forks and overall, their long distance sight on the board. In comparison, Knights see far less on the board. , usually with most available moves being blocked by enemy peices. This causes them to be rather inaplicabble during the middle game in comparison to the bishop .
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THE END GAME: This is where bishops unlock their full power and dominance of the board. With all the referenced benefits in the previous paragraph. + THE power to cut off huge diagonals hindering the mobility of the opponents king. In comparison knights cannot acheive the same dominance due to their poor mobility patterns.

In conclusion, Bishops are by far the superior peice in comparison to a knight; due to its long range mobility, exceptional end-game usage, middle game and opening power, and just for looking pretty they're the best heh.

OK SHAWARMA DONE, BYEEEpeepoShy

swift nacelle
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Knights, great for lower level chess like my level, amazing in time trouble, really hard to calculate efficient routes for knights

lapis terrace
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Knights, great for lower level chess like my level, amazing in time trouble, really hard to calculate efficient routes for knights

minor socket
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@modern spindle this guy copy paste shawarma UHMDude

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@lapis terrace why

lapis terrace
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shut up

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u copy me werido

minor socket
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Yeah I copied you especially cause yours Is infront of mine

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So I copied you before you wrote yours @lapis terrace

lapis terrace
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stop lying

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ur a liar ur getting banned for this

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this is not aloud u should not be do this kinda of stuff

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unbeliveable people

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im disspointed mods ban this guy for copying

boreal zodiac
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both the answers too 🤓

formal jewel
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BISHOPS. Since, Kasparov said so.

tender solar
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Rip the knights. They lost over a third of the votes they had earlier

wanton salmon
stone sigil
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Bishops are good at pinning(as long as you don’t get deflected by a pawn) and sniping at pieces from across the board.

crimson garnet
fervent sequoia
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I wonder who will win

rough mesa
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both are good depending on the situation

unreal merlin
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a bishop , knights are to complicated people like Magnus cant even figure out how a knight moves

steel pivot
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Knights are better because of the complicated movement options.

Once someone has fully understand the uses of the knight, they can use this knowledge to confuse their opponents.

Not only that, knights are harder to calculate in endgames (bishops has more spaces to move but most of them are aimless).

Furthermore, knights have access to different coloured squares throughout the game, and is not restricted like the bishop in moving.

Another reason the knight is better because basically all openings develop the knights first, due to it's superiority.

To sum up, knights are better than bishops because of it's weird and complex movement, and calculating the knight's movement is harder than calculating the bishop's.

tranquil wraith
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What if we do Stockfish vs Stockfish
Stockfish 1 with knights
Stockfish 2 with bishops..

rough mesa
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Let's consider two situations on the board.

  1. Both the bishops are fianchetto'd and both the knights and out posted in the center.
  • A knight in the center is much very powerful, some may argue even more powerful than a fianchetto'd bishop as usually the center is closed during the middle game / openings, and usually open during the endgame. Not to mention some games don't even end in the end game, so unless the board is open the bishops will not be of help. However, a knight in the center causes a LOT of problems for your opponent. It controls 8 squares that causes a lot of problems for the mobility of the opponents pieces.
  1. Both the bishops are blocked by their own pawns and the knights are at the edge of the board / haven't been developed.
  • In such a case, both are equally bad, but I'd like to argue it's easier for an undeveloped knight to jump into action than a bishop blocked by their own pawns.

Overall, Knights are complex pieces and once in your territory, in some cases it doesn't say a 3 point piece. Sometimes it's worth sacrificing a rook for a powerful knight that has been outposted in the center.

This does not mean bishops are bad. Bishops are also great as they can stay far and take part in the action, however, I feel bishops are mainly only supporting pieces that can do little to nothing on their own, but knights can jump into enemy territory and fork pieces and severely decrease mobility.

solemn kiln
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Bishops are better because they are able to cover more squares on the board

brazen steeple
# brazen steeple BISHOPS DO CONTROL MORE SQUARES THEN KNIGHT BUT THE KNIGHT CAN JUMP OVER OTHER P...

Continuing
We have talked about the middle game now let's talk about end game . So as I told earlier bishops are very help full in slowing down the enemy pieces and king in endgame and also chops the PAWNSSS on the other hand Knight... It's normally used to fork if your opponent is dumb enough so let's again look at their strengths and weaknesses in the endgame
Bishops

  1. slow other pieces .
  2. support our pawns by protecting their promotion square from the long range .
  3. chopp the pawnnssss
  4. trap the knight mostly if i have a bishop and you have a knight I'll trap your knight if it's misplaced . It's very easy to do that.
  5. shuffling you can't attack my bishop with your most powerfull piece your king it can't attack my bishop I'll keep shuffling in the same diagnoal and keep protecting your or mine pawns promotion square.
  6. endgame is an open position so it is very hard to trap the bishop unlike the knight
  7. 2 bishop checkmate you can do that easily but you have to learn it
    8] if a bishop is on diffrent square from the pawns promotion square it is badd
    9] bishop vs bishop is often a draw
  8. are very slow because of the opponent pieces imagine you have a knight on a1 and your opponent is gonna promote on g8 and he is 2 moves away from it the knight can't reach the pawn because it is slow but the bishop would easily protect my opponents promotion square from the long range
  9. can get trapped easily as I told you earlier endgame is and open position this causes the knight to get trapped easily
  10. annoying the knight can check the opponent king multiple times and can bait him to get in a fork but if you are smart you will get out of the check loop easily
    This tells us knight has no mobility in the endgame and its complex but it dosent mean it's better
    If now we take it all our research on these 2 pieces in the simple words i can tell that i will choose bishops over knights any day
    Thank you . Also bishops look cooler
regal basalt
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I think this guy wins

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Even though i disagree

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But because im lazy i didnt read all of it

brazen steeple
regal basalt
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Ye

brazen steeple
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Na i ain't wining

regal basalt
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Best ive seen so far

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My guy pulled out the essay of why bishops are better

brazen steeple
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Thanks but there are 55k PPL here

regal basalt
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I mean from when ive walked in n out of this channel that seems like the largest one

brazen steeple
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If i wrote with the same speed in my eng essay i would have topped

regal basalt
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W

brazen steeple
regal basalt
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brazen steeple
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I wrote 2 of thesee

regal basalt
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Oh yea ik

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Lmao

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Thats why im saying its hueg

brazen steeple
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And no research mychad

regal basalt
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Www

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Omg guys he must be atleast rating 984772

brazen steeple
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Imagine a person copy pasted an GM's thinking

regal basalt
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Bru

brazen steeple
regal basalt
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Im rating 630 something i think smh

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Got a higher rating in puzzles if that matters 💀

brazen steeple
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Aintta said there would be winners not winner so there would be multiple PPL who will win

regal basalt
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Fun

brazen steeple
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Ya

regal basalt
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Tbf i just like horses

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Idk why theyre better

flat lake
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today is my birthday

regal basalt
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Horses are just horses whats not to like

brazen steeple
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I like bishops cuz endgames w

regal basalt
tranquil wraith
brazen steeple
regal basalt
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Occasions

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Bruh

brazen steeple
tranquil wraith
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The most strongest thing about knights are fork, and they're checks cannot be blocked..

regal basalt
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Will steal

brazen steeple
tranquil wraith
brazen steeple
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Alr np

regal basalt
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Please send im too lazy to get off internet

tranquil wraith
regal basalt
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Or i just hunt down the image on google when i get home later idk

regal basalt
tranquil wraith
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?av @brazen steeple, does this work???

regal basalt
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?av @brazen steeple

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No

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No it doesnt

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atleast i tried

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Smh

stable quest
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It is true that in the endgame, a long range piece "Bishop" can dominate colors. However, little do people know that there are always that one random backward knight move that forks that causes the royal fork.

brazen steeple
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Now?

regal basalt
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But tbh its about knights and bishops

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Not with the entire board

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Horses are better in solo situations most times

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And bishops can necessarily pin the king to the queen either cus once you take the queen with bishop you lose the bishop

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With knight if you fork the queen and king

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You can take the queen and sometimes keep your knight

brazen steeple
regal basalt
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Idc

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Its still situational ofc

brazen steeple
regal basalt
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What if the queen and king and the opposite side of the knights range

brazen steeple
regal basalt
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You can block in a bishop with a couple pawns

brazen steeple
regal basalt
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True but idc

brazen steeple
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And knights are bad in opened

regal basalt
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So its situational

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Agreed fun

brazen steeple
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Cuz a knight can get trapped by a bishop easily in an endgame

regal basalt
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Less go

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If your knights in a corner maybe idk

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More likely for a bishop to be in a corner than a knight

brazen steeple
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Cuz of its long range

regal basalt
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True but

tranquil wraith
regal basalt
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Pawn

brazen steeple
regal basalt
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Oh no

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I take a bishop

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Oh no pawn takes

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(Doubled pawns)

brazen steeple
tranquil wraith
brazen steeple
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What the?

regal basalt
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Well you can but

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Ok

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Can we agree both pieces are sexy as heck in certain situations

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But obv the pawn is the better piece in this scenario

brazen steeple
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Can agree but bishops are better in most of them

tranquil wraith
regal basalt
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Im going to force feed you icecream

tranquil wraith
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Vanilla? Magnus_thonk

regal basalt
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Ofc

brazen steeple
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Na man chocolate

tranquil wraith
regal basalt
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I dont like chocolate icecream

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Love chocolate tho

tranquil wraith
brazen steeple
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War breaking out on ice creams

regal basalt
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Its either vanilla or mint or somethin

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Chocolate icecream is bad

brazen steeple
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Bruh i am fighting over some pieces i need rest

tranquil wraith
regal basalt
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Nope

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#Vannila vs Chocolate

brazen steeple
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We all should get a life

regal basalt
regal basalt
brazen steeple
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Neither do i

regal basalt
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But im also about to be 7 years late to school so i might actually need to go

brazen steeple
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What school is a scan

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Scam

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Don't worry

regal basalt
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My school opened like 20 minutes ago

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Im like 20 minutes away

brazen steeple
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And you fighting over vanilla and chocolate

regal basalt
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Yea

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Worrh

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Worth

half mist
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Chess debate is really interesting, Okay i guess i have to get called "biased". we usually start with knights to develop but bishops are more better and heres why;
the bishops can exchange easily and pin the knights or any pieces. Awhile the knight can fork like for example, the rook and the king gets forked, and loses castling rights after d1/ke2, after that we take the rook. Bishops are helpful too for early such game since it's a main minor piece we use, same as goes to knight.
"So why bishops are better than knights? can you tell us more?"
since i said bishops are more better than knights. I can tell by tactics and tricks, like battery, forking,utilizing the bishops, and controlling more diagonals, and even you can checkmate with two bishops! if it's the knights then it's almost impossible for us to checkmate the black/white king unless the king plays worse. The knights other hands are very useful for endgames and middlegames too, that is bishop included too. Knights can fork just like i said and even do a cool checkmate like smothered mate, almost higher rating opponents can prevent forks and mates, but! i have to say that Knights ARE really useful for endgames, like killing blacks/whites pawns and pieces and checking the king and protecting the pawn to the way of promotion.

half mist
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Bishops can also snipe pieces like fianchetto opening or kings indian defence. Opponents don't really see well on the bishops that are fianchettoed or just moved in bc4 if you did italian game. Bishops are used early on kings gambit too because you need to develop the knight and dominate the center.

tranquil wraith
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Can we just agree that bishop and knight is same? Magnus_thonk

glossy tusk
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"Never resign when you have a knight" is a chess axiom. But I ain't ever heard an mf say never resign with a bishop.

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case closed

fluid garden
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Knights > bishops

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Because knights can generate better counterplay

brazen steeple
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Bishops can prevent counter play

slender haven
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Knight are way better because at situations like In a closed position: In a position where there are many pawns and pieces blocking the board, the knight can be very useful because it can jump over other pieces and attack squares that other pieces cannot reach.

In a central position: A knight placed in the center of the board can control many important squares and can be a powerful attacking piece.

To attack weak squares: Knights are very effective at attacking weak squares or pawns that are not well-defended, especially if they are supported by other pieces.

In the endgame: Knights are often better than bishops in endgames with pawns on both sides of the board because they can attack and defend squares from either color, whereas bishops are limited to one color.

heady loom
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in my opinion knight is better in endgame while bishop is better in early why? knight can fork the piece when u made an accident or whatever on the other side bishops can control the diagonals at the early game to prevent pieces from developing so for me the best is bishop

serene ginkgo
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the bishops are better at the endgames: they can move really fast.

unkempt basalt
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knights are better to play because its wayyy harder to prevent a fork against it

brazen steeple
foggy orbit
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Knights are like Batman, but with a horse. They can jump over other pieces, swoop in and take out an enemy in one fell swoop. Bishops, on the other hand, are like the old grandpa of the chessboard. They can only move diagonally and they can't even jump over other pieces. What kind of bishop can't jump? Lame!

Knights are like the James Bond of chess. They can move in any direction, they're quick, they're agile, and they're deadly. Bishops, on the other hand, are like that awkward uncle who always tries to tell you jokes but never quite gets the punchline right.

And let's talk about strategy. Knights can be sneaky little devils. They can hop over your pieces and take out your queen before you even know what's happening. Bishops, on the other hand, are like those people who always stick to the same routine. They move diagonally, they take out a pawn or two, and then they go back to their little corner to hang out with the other bishops

fervent sequoia
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Are any poems here?

fervent sequoia
bronze orbit
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It's possible to make comebacks with knight because of how easily people can walk into forks in endgames.
Unlike the bishop which only limits on one coloured square, the knights can attack both colours.
Aside from that, bishop can easily get stuck whenever your pawn blocks a diagonal, this could make a bishop useless while the knight can just jump over it.

foggy orbit
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Bishop+Knight=Win
Opp Colour Bishop = Win
Bishop+Bishop=Draw
Knight+Knight=Draw
Only with teamwork of different pieces can we achieve victory

brazen steeple
foggy orbit
brazen steeple
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Brotherr

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There are 2 colour bishops 1 each

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Obviously il have opposite colour bishops

foggy orbit
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idk how to write a poem

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Let’s ask chat gpt

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Ok it refuses to take sides

thick glade
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I disagree with the results.

finite creek
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i blame levy 😂

regal basalt
hollow plover
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yeah rightt

hollow plover
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more satisfying than bishop cms

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and knight's checks cant be blocked

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bishops can be

brazen steeple
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Bruh stop looking at only 1 features

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Of both the pieces

fervent sequoia
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Only 17% knights now? What happened?

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Yesterday it was 55% knights

hollow plover
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idk :<

finite creek
brazen steeple
fervent sequoia
brazen steeple
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God damn it

brazen steeple
fervent sequoia
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I don't know the assessment criteria

brazen steeple
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You should bad mod

fervent sequoia
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Not my fault Sadge

brazen steeple
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Il get you fired KEKW

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I am a professional karen

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And i want to talk to your manager

brazen steeple
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I have done a PhD on being a Karenn

fervent sequoia
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I see

brazen steeple
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Where is your manager

flint bridge
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I like bishops more. This is because, with bishops, I am able to find a better move a lot faster. With knights, it takes ages to jump them to my target, however, with a bishop, I can take advantage of the diagonal and immediately set sights on the opponent's king. The bishop can also take huge amounts of space, and, while it is true that knights can fork, so can bishops! Knights can't skewer or pin, but guess what can, the bishop! While it is true that knights are more useful in closed positions, closed positions are extremely rare. While some people may say it's easy to get a bad bishop, it's also easy to say a knight on the rim is dim. This is my reasoning. (yes i am slightly late to the party but i think im still under the deadline)

rough mesa
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Both are good,
In closed positions knights are better
Like in the Queen's gambit or Ruy lopez
Because you can have better manuels
Anyway for example: in the closed Ruy lopez Chigorin or Bryer variation
One of whites plan is to push the g2-g4 pawn and play Nd2 Nf1 Ng3 Nf5 so he can put pressure on black positions
Also a bishop is better in Open positions , actually they are OP in open positions! Especially if you have the bishop pair
Imagine your white and you Have ur bishop on B3 and B2 , black king is weak!!
Both Knight and bishop are good , depends on what type of player you are!
Also , Queen's + Bishop < Queen's + Knight
Rook + Bishop > Rook + Knight
according to stockfish 15.1 and world champion

Please Do not Copy!

weary inlet
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I think that knights are better than bishops in some way.

Although bishops can be used for traps (e.g. 4 move checkmate) I believe that knights are better because of these reasons

1. ABILITIES
Although Bishops have more squares. Knights can move through an L shape and jump over pieces at the same time.

2. FORKS
Forks are really great to earn material, although you may be forking just pawns.

Knights are really great for forks, especially a ROYAL fork.

3. SACRIFICES
Sacrificing a piece to win the game is what GMs usually do.

Although Sacrificing the Rook to win may feel good, Knights still get attention when it comes to sacrifices.

4. POSITIONS
Finding a checkmate in 1 feels good, especially with a Knight, especially a SMOTHERED MATE

Please Do NOT Copy!

warm estuary
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although, bishops are slighty better than knights, id likes to see it jump through obstacles fork a king and a queen on its own, or create a threat in a closed position, a bishop cannot do any of those, but a knight can.

There is a commonly asked half-joking question, "how do knights move" most players that dont get the joke would say, "like an L." Sometimes, you never know where the knight is gonna go, one second the knight is on the side, 1 second later, the knight is already threatening a fork, the center, and your king's safety!!

Knights are beautiful in endgames, they would go into positions that would make you ragequit, Knights would also support your center pawns, and i admit bishops are really hard to kick out when it is pinning the knight to the queen or king, and weaken our pawn structure or stop castling, bishops just doesnt have that beautiful power to manipulate, to confuse, to force, to threaten so easily.

Knights would be able to put your king in a halo pretty easily, knights are annoying because of how easy they can infiltrate or threaten your king, so i personally think..

Knights are way more beautiful than bishops
Knights would outsmart bishops
Even thought bishops have more control squares, in a closed position, or an endgame, against a knight? that bishop better start praying to god.

rough mesa
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bishop is cover more space and more faster

lapis terrace
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u tryed copying me

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ez ban

modern spindle
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okay dud

gleaming olive
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Knights are better because they can move, attack, and defend by jumping over other pieces, they can develop without pawn moves. And they have a more dynamic reach for forks and such.

eager basalt
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Bishop is literally a sniper people keep forgetting about (they forgor)
Knight are like the Spanish Inquisition (they didn't expect it)

brazen steeple
brazen steeple
finite creek
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thats on the players for most part, not really what makes the piece special tbf, especially if it gets blocked by a pawn

delicate tartan
wild gull
modern spindle
wild gull
brazen steeple
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I was never good at spellings

wide hazel
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Pretty result's

wide hazel
fossil elm
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pawn is btter

weary inlet
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also what do you mean "X ray of bishop" you madman

wide hazel
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And stop calling me madman, <500 rated shit

tiny prism
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salty

primal plume
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When are the results coming out and how will it be decided

rough mesa
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Both are good,
In closed positions knights are better
Like in the Queen's gambit or Ruy lopez
Because you can have better manuels
Anyway for example: in the closed Ruy lopez Chigorin or Bryer variation
One of whites plan is to push the g2-g4 pawn and play Nd2 Nf1 Ng3 Nf5 so he can put pressure on black positions
Also a bishop is better in Open positions , actually they are OP in open positions! Especially if you have the bishop pair
Imagine your white and you Have ur bishop on B3 and B2 , black king is weak!!
Both Knight and bishop are good , depends on what type of player you are!

By the way ; Queens + Knight > Queen bishop
Rook + Bishop > Rook + Knight in endgames
( According to the world champ and stockfish 15.1

Also Don't COPY MAN

flat lake
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i dont know

slender haven
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Listen up, you all, it's time to hear the truth
About the age-old debate, knights versus bishop moves
Now some might say that bishops are the way to go
But let me tell you why knights steal the show

Bishops move in straight lines, that's true
But that makes them predictable and easy to pursue
Knights are better, they're the real MVP
Bishops can't compare, they're just a wannabe
Don't get it twisted, this ain't no joke
Knights are the real kings, they'll never be broke

Knights, knights, they're the ones to choose
With their L-shaped move, they can't be refused
Bishops might be diagonal, but they can't compare
To the power and moves that the knights share

And let's talk about attacking, that's where knights shine
They can attack from different angles, hitting targets every time
Bishops can only attack on the same color square
While knights can switch it up, making their opponents beware

So if you want to win, it's clear what to do
Choose a knight, it's the best option for you
They may not move in a straight line, but that's okay
Their unique moves will help you win the day

So don't listen to those who say bishops are the best
They may look fancy, but they're not the best
Choose a knight, and you'll see the difference it makes
In no time at all, you'll be crushing your opponents with ease.

woeful bay
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👏

vernal nacelle
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👎

wide hazel
finite creek
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Man's playing to win 😂

finite creek
bronze yew
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Knights

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I’m low rated so nobody’s knows what’s going on around them

finite creek
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true 😂

obsidian mauve
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Do I need to elaborate?

rose tartan
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If your like 1000+ probably bishops because if your below 1000 then no one knows what they do and just walk into forks but above 1000 it’s impossible to fork anybody and bishops can just control more squares

fluid garden
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Knights are better

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End of debate

slender haven
stuck stirrup
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knight because horsy

primal plume
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Has anyone used ChatGPT for this one yet?

finite creek
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ithought about doing so, just for fun, but i think someone probably already did it before me, and no point in copy pasting answer

slender haven
fervent sequoia
brazen steeple
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Those animals won't even get a place in hell
Kidding

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In chess world obviously

primal plume
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Too many of them

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Imagine someone typing something of their own and it just happens to match with ChatGPT's

finite creek
primal plume
finite creek
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idk if that person is lukcy or unlucky if in existence 😂

rough mesa
next tulip
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Knight because its the only piece that can check without being blocked, like your king HAS to move. The same goes to other pieces, while you moved the knight to attack a (most likely valuable) piece the other player has to move it because as I said earlier, you cant block it, so your opponent loses a move while your knight keeps advancing. It is also the best piece to prevent early queen bishop checkmate. Many people say that the bishop is a sniper but you can just pay attention to the board and see the bishops so I dont really understand that. Also it can attack various pieces at the same time and like that you can do forks which is the easiest way to force the other player to lose a valuable piece.
The bishop is a good piece im not saying it sucks, like it can advance up the board really fast and stuff but I think the knight can do more things and its overalll better.

rough mesa
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Both are good,
In closed positions knights are better
Like in the Queen's gambit or Ruy lopez
Because you can have better manuels
Anyway for example: in the closed Ruy lopez Chigorin or Bryer variation
One of whites plan is to push the g2-g4 pawn and play Nd2 Nf1 Ng3 Nf5 so he can put pressure on black positions
Also a bishop is better in Open positions , actually they are OP in open positions! Especially if you have the bishop pair
Imagine your white and you Have ur bishop on B3 and B2 , black king is weak!!
Both Knight and bishop are good , depends on what type of player you are!

By the way ; Queens + Knight > Queen bishop
Rook + Bishop > Rook + Knight in endgames
( According to the world champ and stockfish 15.1

Also Don't COPY MAN

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Also Many people said that knights are better
But i Disagree
Because they are Equal
Knight is better is closed positions
bishop is better in Open position

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However , Stockfish and other engine's rather Bishop in most of position ( still not in closed )

So it's like
60% Bishop
40% Knight

next tulip
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Oh sorry I pinged

rough mesa
brazen steeple
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Also bishops takes the w

simple bluff
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A Knight goes "Neigh Neigh" A bishop forces you to read the bible.

obsidian mauve
obsidian mauve
finite creek
brazen steeple
finite creek
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completely butchering the lnaguage whike being accurate 😂

finite creek
brazen steeple
finite creek
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im the greatest typoist of the world 😂

brazen steeple
simple bluff
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Knights move in an L shape for a reason. Massive L to knights

gleaming olive
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Everyone hating on the knights. They are a far more dynamic piece. Bishops have a longer reach but they are stuck to their color complex. Knights can jump over pieces and put in the work on both color squares.

bronze yew
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Imagine chess without knights v without bishops

finite creek
gleaming olive
bronze yew
unique vector
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there's got to be at least one person who has used chatgpt for this

bronze yew
bronze yew
rose tartan
# unique vector there's got to be at least one person who has used chatgpt for this

I asked chat gpt "What is better in chess a bishop or a knight" it said "In my opinion, knights are superior to bishops in chess. They have unique and unpredictable movements, which can make them great tools for creating unexpected tactics and surprise attacks. Plus, they are the only pieces that can jump over other pieces, which gives them an added advantage in certain situations.

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so there you have it knights are better

unique vector
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watch someone type all of that and post it in this thread

rough mesa
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Knights because you can hop over little kids.

gleaming olive
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When is the voting over?

bronze yew
hallow bay
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👆

teal halo
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Well, I can accept that knights are better in closed positions, and bishops are better in open. But unless someone effs up royally, closed positions are gonna be close to equal either way, and the actual advantage will start to matter once the position has become more open.

And that's the thing it will become more open.

bronze yew
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Even if it opens up there will still be large pawn chains in place weakening a bishop

hollow plover
burnt acorn
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obviously knights (applies to duck chess only)

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but imo most of the time bishops better

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and i will refuse to elaborate

gloomy peak
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Knights better

sullen wind
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Well it depends on the game: phase, position for example in the early game it doesent matter that much (depends on position) in the late game for example, a bishop can block a type of pawn and it can move in a x area and can checkmate with 2. With a knight for example you cant lose a tempo with it and can be a good piece that you can f||or||k pieces, pawns, and even make royal, triple, quadriple froks (it happened to me 1 time)

For position for example is just: closed trade the bishop for a knight and open: trade your knight for the fiencadoed bishop (also depends on the middle pieces)

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But my guess is knight

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Oh and also knight equal

bronze yew
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🍴 >📌

next tulip
crystal orchid
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Bishops are better cuz they can control more squares. But in closed positions knights are better as they can jump over pieces. A grandmaster would say that a bishop is better but if you ask an intermediate player the opinions will vary. Imo bishops are better

fallow jay
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ain't it funny how the knight moves

burnt acorn
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have changed my mind

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knight better

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most of the time

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nvm

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bishops better

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uhhh

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give me a moment

bronze yew
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The reason knights win is cuz they are the most dynamic piece

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Imagine chess without knights v without bishops

teal halo
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If bishops are better at master, and even more so engine level, then they are better.

The average person would probably be more effective in combat swinging around a big stick than they would be as a horse archer, yet noone argues swinging a big stick around is better than horse archery.

You have to judge the piece by how those most preficient use them.

bronze yew
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The problem is that we are not a godly engine that can actually tell where the horsey is gonna go

teal halo
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Literal skill isue

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You are the average person, who is better att swinging the stick. No shame, apparently 2/5 people here are.

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Also, not seeing the knights moves would be even less of a thing if this wasn't a server for a site where people mostly play rapid.

Remember that chess is not necessarily meant to be played with time constraints.

bronze yew
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The bishops is better at a grand master level cuz the knight is predictable at that level

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At the average level knights are unpredictable making them better

teal halo
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Yes. But my argument is that 'average level' should not be used to measure the quality of the piece.

fervent sequoia
teal halo
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Because we are the people swinging the sticks

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Our personal experiences don't matter in this question.

simple bluff
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What's your rating?

teal halo
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In daily, which is the one I care about, I'm 1785 if I recall correctly. My rapid has probably fallen below 1000

simple bluff
fervent sequoia
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Best can mean a lot of things

teal halo
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I believe objective best is better than subjective best, and therefore the best best, thus the best.

simple bluff
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They see the most unhinged moves

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there is a reason you dont listen to everything an engine says

fervent sequoia
keen meadow
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Horse.

teal halo
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The Swedish word for the knight translates to runner.

The swedish word for the bishop translates to runner.

Runner wins.

simple bluff
teal halo
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Back to the real discussion though: The idea that the knight could be carried by its 'unpredictability' alone is actually silly once you pass 700 rapid, or Idk...200 of anything slower.

If you can see it, there is no reason why your oponent wouldn't. You're just gambling that they won't.

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I'd rather take the 'fork queen' argument

simple bluff
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Are you claiming that the bishop is better juts because engines and GM's say so?

fervent sequoia
simple bluff
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If that's supposed to back your argument..then that's one 💩 argument

gleaming olive
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Let's go team Knights!

teal halo
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Are you claiming that climate change is real just because computer models and scientists say so?

Same thing. Who tf else should I believe. The fact that my subjective experience is "it's cold outside", or "knights are better" doesn't change anything.

fervent sequoia
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Wth

teal halo
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Same logic, only difference is the stakes.

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Trust the experts and models.

fervent sequoia
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That is a really bad analogy

teal halo
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Why?

brazen steeple
#

WHEN IS THIS GETTING AN END

fervent sequoia
#

A question like "is climate change real?" only got one answer which can be proven by science. A question like "knight or bishop?" can have a lot of different answers because the question doesn't specify in which aspect

brazen steeple
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BETTER BE RN

brazen steeple
simple bluff
simple bluff
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The whole bishops Vs Knights thing cant be proven

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It's opinion based

teal halo
# fervent sequoia A question like "is climate change real?" only got one answer which can be prove...

Still, nothing in science is ever proven 100% yet we trust the experts and models as well we should, in the end it is all driven by observations that are still, at least on comprehendable level, driven by chance and statistics.

The exact same can be truthfully said about the knight and bishop question.

In this analogy, asking individuals which piece they prefere is more like asking people whether it's gotten warmer or colder, but in the question of which is better, I once again refere to models and experts.

simple bluff
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We can rely on science to tell us that climate change is real because without science you wouldn't be sitting your butt cheeks on your couch drooling to Levy Rozeman's mustache

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Science is the way of life

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It's literally cant be compared to an opinion based question

simple bluff
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OF COURSE IT IS

teal halo
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Do you....not know how science works?

simple bluff
fervent sequoia
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But I still think the question is not specific enough to just say "let's ask the engine and this will be the answer"

simple bluff
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But mostly

brazen steeple
simple bluff
#

Next weeks poll

fervent sequoia
brazen steeple
fervent sequoia
teal halo
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Yeah, just as bishop is not 100% better, despite our computer models and experts believing so after generations of study.

brazen steeple
simple bluff
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This is a two-sided arugment

fervent sequoia
simple bluff
#

If a side after "generations" of study think that a bishop is better

brazen steeple
simple bluff
#

then there is a side that after "generations" of studying think that the knight is better

simple bluff
fervent sequoia
brazen steeple
fervent sequoia
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I am just saying we could save our time but your choice

simple bluff
teal halo
brazen steeple
fervent sequoia
simple bluff
teal halo
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Oh god

simple bluff
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I'll show you my resume

fervent sequoia
brazen steeple
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WHAT DO YOU CALL A BISHOP WITH NO MOUTH

brazen steeple
simple bluff
#

WHAT?

brazen steeple
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AAHAHA

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AAHAAHAH

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WAS THAT FUNNY?

simple bluff
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yeah TOTALLY

brazen steeple
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UM....

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YEEEE

teal halo
simple bluff
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Will there be a time where you will have to show your face? (As a mod)

teal halo
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Dude, you can't even apply 'till you've been on the server a year.

fervent sequoia
teal halo
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Oh wait yeah. There probably should be a required time on the discord though. Checking peoples message history should be an absolute minimum to avoid mod abuse.

brazen steeple
quartz pulsar
brazen steeple
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always

quartz pulsar
brazen steeple
quartz pulsar
# brazen steeple so you are a right mod?

Sometimes I'm on your left! But yes, I don't think there are any cases of mod abuse here. Everything gets logged and there's a lot of thought and discussion behind maybe-controversial decisions.

brazen steeple
simple bluff
teal halo
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Might not need that minimum discord time I proposed then. Good to hear!

fervent sequoia
sick grove
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skipped

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👀

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anyway, bishop pair > knights

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👀

fervent sequoia
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I like how half the time we don't discuss about N vs B here

teal halo
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I'm always up to talk more about it! Your turn though.

fervent sequoia
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N > B but B+B > N+N

teal halo
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I will admit that knight and pawns vs bishop and pawns is good.

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At least I think so, in this question I do not know the expert answer.

sick grove
#

indeed some weird comparison operator you show us here Scipio

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a single knight is often better than the bishop but sometimes a passed pawn for the bishop player can make a huge difference

simple bluff
fervent sequoia
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It is true that knights are often helpless in endgames vs a passed pawn

teal halo
simple bluff
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I finally submited the response

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who is in charge of them?

teal halo
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Honestly, the knight only has two real advantages over the bishop. It can move without moving the pawns. And it can reach any square.
Arguments such as the queen fork is kinda dumb because bishops have an equal advantage in pinning. The 'unpredictability' is even worse, but I feel like I've talked enough about that point.

The thing that makes bishops better is just that they have more moves. As you reach higher levels, and thus have to think further ahead, a vast quantity of moves is way harder to calculate for than a few "weird" ones. The fewer moves you have, the less likely you are to have a really good move. It looses tempo, it looses pressure. Even more so because the knight not only has fewer options, but is also slower. Sure, it can fork a queen and king if your opponent does something spectacularly dumb, but in contrast, the bishop could simultaneously play in all 4 corners if so needed, it can go from undeveloped to checkmate in one move, or if your opponent is less silly, it could still seal the attack.

rough mesa
#

No Explanation needed. Simply,
BISHOPS ARE BETTER THAN KNIGHTS

fervent sequoia
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Also being able to get to every of the 64 squares and not to only 32 is a big advantage imo which people don't praise enough

brazen steeple
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na knights are good but aint better then bishops

teal halo
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Well, it is, but any piece is powerful when in good position. The bishops advantages are bigger, which is mathematically proven by the engine preferring it.

as for the 64, yes it is powerful, but if you have other pieces on the board, it is not necessary, and if you don't have other pieces, the knight looses anyway.

fervent sequoia
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Anyway I am wondering what the next vote will be about

brazen steeple
fervent sequoia
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Maybe queen vs 3 minor pieces or queen vs two rooks 🤔

obsidian mauve
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E4 vs d4

brazen steeple
fervent sequoia
obsidian mauve
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Thx

brazen steeple
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cc vs lichess

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lol

fervent sequoia
obsidian mauve
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French vs Caro

teal halo
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Only reason to be here is the accurate ratings

fervent sequoia
brazen steeple
teal halo
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(except I play daily, so not actually accurate....hmmm)

obsidian mauve
brazen steeple
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ye

obsidian mauve
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🗣️

brazen steeple
fervent sequoia
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Unlikely but maybe KG vs QG

fervent sequoia
brazen steeple
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;]

fervent sequoia
teal halo
# fervent sequoia Wdym

If you don't care about the accuracy of the ratings, lichess just has more stuff, unless you pay, and paying is kinda cringe.

brazen steeple
brazen steeple
teal halo
brazen steeple
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are all of these cringe

fervent sequoia
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Maybe they will do a time control vote like blitz vs bullet vs rapid

brazen steeple
teal halo
brazen steeple
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btw rapid takes the w

fervent sequoia
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My answer would be blitz but a lot of beginners play rapid so idk

brazen steeple
fervent sequoia
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Not many people voted

fervent sequoia
brazen steeple
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in early stage of your raiting i think no*

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cuz you mess up bec time so do your opponent

fervent sequoia
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So you are talking about beginners, I see

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I wasn't

brazen steeple
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ye

fervent sequoia
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I was just talking in general

brazen steeple
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and this knight vs bishop bishops takes the w

brazen steeple
obsidian mauve
obsidian mauve
fervent sequoia
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I throw in every time control EZ

brazen steeple
fervent sequoia
brazen steeple
teal halo
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Personally I feel like the extensive study of the game has caused an incentive to just learn things move for move rather than actually thinking about the best move, at least early game. Tight time control makes this even worse.

Classical is kinda ok, since that offers more time for actual thinking, but daily is the real deal as far as I'm concerned. Because of the opening book, the entirety of the ruined opening face can be skipped without any benefit to move by move learning. The winner is whoever thinks the best.

brazen steeple
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i wrote an essayy

fervent sequoia
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Essay is pretty accurate in terms of length

brazen steeple
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my hard work no one yet rode itBRUHNOOO

fervent sequoia
brazen steeple
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i would make the guy who is reading it regret his her life

fervent sequoia
brazen steeple
teal halo
fervent sequoia
fervent sequoia
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Reading a long text with caps only is the worst thing you can do

teal halo
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"As far as I'm concerned" doesn't imply actual worry or discontent, it's more like "in my opinion" or "as far as I know".

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I specifically like daily, and think it's the best way to play chess in modern times. The only way that move by move learning does not give an advantage.

brazen steeple
fervent sequoia
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How do you forget lol

brazen steeple
fervent sequoia
brazen steeple
fervent sequoia
brazen steeple
fervent sequoia
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Their weakness is the color of them. If all pawns are on the opposite color then the bishop has no targets. Also opposite color bishop endgames are often a draw which is not always the case for knght vs knight

brazen steeple
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alr so it should be fine

brazen steeple
fervent sequoia
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I am not an endgame expert so not sure

brazen steeple
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alr

brazen steeple
fervent sequoia
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I am an expert of throwing and blundering EZ

brazen steeple
fervent sequoia
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Finally all of it paid off

bronze yew
bronze yew
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Horsey jump over pieces

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Bishop can’t

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Horsey beats bishop

bronze yew
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Horsey for the W

obsidian mauve
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I ain't readin allat, but we 🆙 🔥🗣️

finite creek
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is this a weekly thing, or monthly, or something? 🤔

teal halo
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The funniest thing is, that even if you don't take into account the high level opinions, at best it's still probably like 50/50, for absolute beginners and then shifting more to bishop the further you get. So when the response to the 'high level' argument is that knight are better for people at lower levels, that's not even a clear truth. It's more like there is place for argument on lover levels.

Honestly I don't think I've ever met a person Irl that thinks knights are better, When I first played the game and didn't know about castling or promotions, I knew bishop was better for the same reasons I think now. It moves further, it has more moves, it is way better at mating. I asked my mom, I'd guess she's worth 400 elo, she said "Equal. Bishop might be a bit stronger." Literally everyone at my highschool preferred bishop, but they might actually have been influenced by high level opinions so I don't know if that counts.

The point is, I honestly think that the knights are only preferred by people with a very particular wiring, that makes their skill with the knight disproportionately higher than for other pieces, or alternatively they are particularly bad at defending against it. Maybe both. This then would most certainly be linked to the "weird" pattern of its moves.

obsidian mauve
teal halo
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Bro it's a 20s read

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Not that you have to, but don't make it seem like a book.

brazen steeple
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Anitta it's time declare the winners cmon

rough mesa
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You didn't win. We're sorry NOBULLY

bronze yew
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I win yay

brazen steeple
simple bluff
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Do you have to have a high rating in order to be an admin?

teal halo
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I'm gonna guess no.

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On one hand, they'd probably want your interest in chess to be a long term thing, but chess qualities and admin qualities are very different.

bronze yew
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So the potential admins are very low

teal halo
simple bluff
bronze yew
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Why has the argument knights v bishops died

obsidian mauve
simple bluff
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most are like 2000>

fervent sequoia
wanton salmon
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when does the debate end

finite creek
wanton salmon
rough mesa
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when are the prizes given??

bronze yew
bronze yew
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I’m last

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I should win

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Knights W

next tulip
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Why are bishops winning

finite creek
bronze yew
obsidian mauve
bronze yew
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Anyway everyone who choose bishops doesn't care anymore so knights win

rough mesa
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Knights look cool in real life tho 😉

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rough mesa
rough mesa
tight orbit
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Nobody knows how the knight moves

agile saffron
rough mesa
bronze yew
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Google bishop and then Google knight and then you understand which is better

hollow plover
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clearly knight

chrome sparrow
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bishop man! bishop

modern spindle
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Hess and Tania gave us their opinions! lol

bronze yew
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Knights when first

obsidian mauve
bronze yew
finite creek
alpine cove
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Knights fork

fervent sequoia
stuck stirrup
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we all know that horsy can fork queen and king without getting captured by the queen in any situation

bronze yew
chrome sparrow
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horsy does forky-forky but bishop does that too, plus bishop can stop endgame pawn promotion

brazen steeple
finite creek
fervent sequoia
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I was sure 99/100 GMs would say bishop

finite creek
fervent sequoia
bronze yew
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Horsy for the W

stuck stirrup
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oh wai

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this situation is rare

stuck stirrup
next tulip
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I see more ppl saying they prefer knight but knights are losing, I think they forgot to vote

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Also its harder to checkmate with bishop and pawn than to checkmate with knight and pawn since with the bishop youll have to push the king to corner of the opposite color of the bishop while with the knight you can push the king to the closest corner no matter what corner

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Thats checkmate

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No checkmate

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Checkmate

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See how the king needs to be on the opposite color corner to checkmate with bishop

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But with knight u can choose whichever corner is easier

rough mesa
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That's ChessTempo?

next tulip
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And ive been using it for a while know

rough mesa
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That's cool

next tulip
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But hadnt seen that option in variants

next tulip
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And can only fork 4 pieces at a time

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That arent queen or bishop

finite creek
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if u r using bishops to fork and ur opponent is also allowing it, theen u both need to learn some more chess 😂

bronze yew
chrome sparrow
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man i cannot send the image of a position

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there is not option in the input bar or that '+' sign

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(pardon me, i'm fairly new to discord)

primal plume
chrome sparrow
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yeah the issue is resolved now

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i dont have the role so

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dont worry

fluid garden
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Knights

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People love hanging knight forks so much

primal plume
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I want the results to come out already

finite creek
next tulip
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Cmon guys vote knight

finite creek
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half of these votes r herd mindset
so once we remove that 50% from the bishops
its 60-40 for knights 🤔

bronze yew
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We should probably stop talking and just let them decide

finite creek
bronze yew
finite creek
bronze yew
stuck stirrup
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8 pawn with 1 knight and 8 pawn with 1 bishop

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who win

restive kestrel
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even though knights hold a grip in the opening and can jump over pieces..in the long run in middle games and endgames we want a lot of space..bishop covers more space than a knight can and is faster also. Bishops also tend to be stronger than a knight in endgames which for me is like a game changer..therefore i dont usually trade a bishop for a knight

fluid garden
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Knights are simply goated

bronze yew
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You just put all your pawns on the opposite color of the bishop

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Then take their pawns

slender haven
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Listen up, you all, it's time to hear the truth
About the age-old debate, knights versus bishop moves
Now some might say that bishops are the way to go
But let me tell you why knights steal the show

Bishops move in straight lines, that's true
But that makes them predictable and easy to pursue
Knights are better, they're the real MVP
Bishops can't compare, they're just a wannabe
Don't get it twisted, this ain't no joke
Knights are the real kings, they'll never be broke

Knights, knights, they're the ones to choose
With their L-shaped move, they can't be refused
Bishops might be diagonal, but they can't compare
To the power and moves that the knights share

And let's talk about attacking, that's where knights shine
They can attack from different angles, hitting targets every time
Bishops can only attack on the same color square
While knights can switch it up, making their opponents beware

So if you want to win, it's clear what to do
Choose a knight, it's the best option for you
They may not move in a straight line, but that's okay
Their unique moves will help you win the day

So don't listen to those who say bishops are the best
They may look fancy, but they're not the best
Choose a knight, and you'll see the difference it makes
In no time at all, you'll be crushing your opponents with ease

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Knights can move in an L-shaped pattern, allowing them to jump over other pieces on the board. This makes them more versatile than bishops, which can only move diagonally and are blocked by other pieces on the board.

Knights can attack from unexpected angles: Because of their unique movement pattern, knights can attack from unexpected angles and capture pieces that might be difficult for other pieces to reach. This can give them an advantage in certain situations.

Knights are more effective in closed positions: In a closed position, where there are many pawns and other pieces blocking the board, knights can often maneuver around more easily than bishops. This can make them more effective in these types of situations.

Knights can fork multiple pieces at once: Knights are the only piece on the board that can fork multiple pieces at once. This means they can attack two or more pieces at the same time, forcing their opponent to choose which piece to save and which to sacrifice. Explanation because i coudnt add it with the rap.

stuck stirrup
finite creek
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Double knight checkmate will always be more satisfying then double bishop checkmate

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And even 1200s can't see the knights coming 😂😂

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Now change ur votes to knights people

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Look at those pawns keeping the dark squared bishop worthless 😂

stuck stirrup
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the bobby bo show checkmate

finite creek
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idk wut that is

sullen wind
sullen wind
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Well makes sense on both knights are brave bc they are in war and the popes bc popes walk in diagonals

clear zenith
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How many days is this competition still on?

bronze yew
finite creek
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😂

next tulip
bronze yew
finite creek
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Exactly 😂

fervent sequoia
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"bishop is better than the knight in the endgame"

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finite creek
brazen steeple
brazen steeple
# fervent sequoia "bishop is better than the knight in the endgame"

Let's see the position if we see that bishop is stuck on the black side the knight is also stuck in the white side also have you heard about a thing called BREAK THROUGH no? Too bad also we can see that the white king is stuck but the black king have a route to the b6 square and there we can use a concept named break through with a5 and open up the board from the queen side and hope fully get a passed pawn

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STOOBID
Kidding maybe i am wrong

fervent sequoia
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Hope chess? Lame

brazen steeple
fervent sequoia
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"and hope fully get a passed pawn"

brazen steeple
fervent sequoia
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D:

brazen steeple
fervent sequoia
brazen steeple
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Also we ain't stockfish

fervent sequoia
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Losing this position with white would be impressive

brazen steeple
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If i can Loos with a queen up then black can also win pepeW

brazen steeple
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But i proved my point

  1. you STOOBID kidding
  2. sometimes a POSITION can be reached where this can happen as we say this a blockade most likely a closed position and we know bishops are stupid in closed position.....
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Here you go @fervent sequoia

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These positions also exists

fervent sequoia
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Horsey>>

brazen steeple
finite creek
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show me a sbishop only checkmate done by u if u say bishops 😂
ive done both bishop only and knight only, i prefer knights

teal halo
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I mean, it's possible, but like, did your opponent just blunder, or did you purposefully promote a third knight just to do it.

obsidian mauve
finite creek
teal halo
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No.

bronze yew
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The reason bishops are winning is because they choose what stockfish says over happiness

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Change my mind

brazen steeple
finite creek
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im not talking endgame mate tbh, but early-midgame mates with only knights or only bishops

primal stag
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knights are somewhat powerful during pawn endgames because its not limited to specific squares like bishops

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bishops are restricted to its colored squares

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so for example if a passed pawn's promotion square was black and there is only a light squared bishop to play against that pawn high chance usually the pawn wins

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most of the time that is for me

brazen steeple
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Bishops>knights
It's like
Scipio>lb

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Kiddin

primal plume