💬〡chess-talk

[lean cedar]

the methods i mentioned above are much more reliable

[empty ravine]

who plays this

[nimble arch]

They arent a chater lol

[nimble arch]

People that watched levy two years ago

[empty ravine]

yes they arent

[lean cedar]

this is the fried liver is it not

traxler counterattack with the bishop move

[empty ravine]

talking abt blacks

[nimble arch]

The traxler is decently well known

[signal snow]

Chat guess who I just played

[nimble arch]

Its also really really bad

[lean cedar]

ya its really well known

[cobalt oxide]

yup

[nimble arch]

Stockfish is not gonna reccomend a -2 line

[lean cedar]

you cant call mainline theory suspicious LUL

[empty ravine]

he played bullet first moves

[cobalt oxide]

just bishop takes pawn and go back

[nimble arch]

Yeah cuz its theory

[lean cedar]

book moves are book moves

[nimble arch]

Bro ur opponent isnt cheating

[lean cedar]

what u CAN DO

is u can check his profile and see how many times he's played the traxler counterattack

[empty ravine]

after a blunder of mine he started 7s

[nimble arch]

Theres always a then what but yes thats the easiest first two moves

[signal snow]

I played the bullet goat 💀🥶

[nimble arch]

Bro hes not cheating

[frosty grail]

i lost track of where i blundered thsi but somehow i managed to lose myself a knight 🥹

[lean cedar]

7s, 20s, 50s, it doesnt matter. did he premove on obvious captures? did he play slow in obvious ideas or endgame mating? etc etc

[forest oyster]

why did white resign

[frosty grail]

it's literally impossible for me to see these moves but my opps always see them instantly

[frosty grail]

i was down a knight it's gg

[forest oyster]

..thats still winnable

https://tenor.com/view/fubuki-confused-hololive-gif-18015941

[old verge]

It's not, even at 1800 i sometimes come back a piece down or lose one up lol

[frosty grail]

not if opponent isnt a moron and they usually arent

[forest oyster]

i recovered from a 5 material loss

[cobalt oxide]

thats just what i recall levy recommending lol

[lean cedar]

this is a simple blundercheck. you have two pieces on adjacent squares separated by a file. that's a common fork pattern in tons of openings. Plus, you have to ask 'if he pushes this pawn, what are the # of attackers and defenders on this square?" it's just pattern recognition

[forest oyster]

you're 200 - 300

Literally your opponent is most likely gonna blunder

[old verge]

I once won down 20 points of materials or smth, it's never over until it's over

[forest oyster]

truee

[empty ravine]

never

[lean cedar]

well then, that is a bit odd

[rough quiver]

especially with the time situation, 23 seconds to 20, you could easily flag

[lean cedar]

if he had perfect accuracy in it, and hes never played it before, that is like .. eh... @empty ravine

[empty ravine]

he plays london queens

[lean cedar]

you sure you're checking right?

[nimble arch]

Even if the opponent wasnt gonna blunder its worth it to play on in rapid

[empty ravine]

he accepts kings gambit fsr

[lean cedar]

all you can do is report him and move on

if he cheated he cheated if not he didnt

[old verge]

Oh yea I didn't even see the time lol, just start moving quickly and you can flag that endgame

[nimble arch]

Like classical games id resign but rapid nah

[empty ravine]

wtf is this

[nimble arch]

Is this a live game

[forest oyster]

i just saw the time situation

that's drawable if not winnable

[empty ravine]

no

[nimble arch]

Please do not ask for - wth bro

[empty ravine]

its a past

[cobalt oxide]

💀

[lean cedar]

what about it?

looks pretty normal to me

[cobalt oxide]

you sure gang?

[cobalt oxide]

.

[lean cedar]

i do that all the time when the knight isnt on g8 to slide my rook over and create a hook

[chrome quartz]

gng we all saw that ur not slick

[empty ravine]

I didnt understand what it meant

[nimble arch]

I dont recall white suppoused to play d4 that early, a risky line indeed

[forest oyster]

whats wrong with the position

i don get it

[empty ravine]

b4 b5

[chrome quartz]

then why did u respond yes immediately

[empty ravine]

I thought if it was played online

[nimble arch]

Its an old line though i think nowadays its considered bad

[nimble arch]

Muzio gambit maybe actually

[lean cedar]

why are you letting white get d4/e4 in is the real question

[frosty grail]

in my experience they dont blunder as often as people say i'd rather move on to something where im not praying on an unlikely mistake to win

[lean cedar]

that's like conceding the center for nothing

e4 e5 and e4 c5 are so white cant push d4, and when white plays d4, nf6 and d5 are so white cant play e4 :P

[nimble arch]

Its not the muzio

[nimble arch]

Nonono its a kings gambit

[empty ravine]

he plays queens gambit too Ig

[nimble arch]

Black is doing correctly

[lean cedar]

point still stands KEK

[nimble arch]

It doesnt

[empty ravine]

it is a kings

[nimble arch]

Blacks a pawn up

[forest oyster]

wdym

i was once 200 for months and i can say sure 200s blundered quite a lot

[nimble arch]

You are supposed to accept it

[rough quiver]

this is main line kings gambit theory

[old verge]

I don't think it's that bad, black has overextended but you certainly should know how to continue if you go into such a complex line

[nimble arch]

Idk if whites supposed to play d4 that early

Do you remember

[lean cedar]

relax, it's a joke, I always say you should never let e4/d4 be played

[nimble arch]

What

[empty ravine]

he plays dutch too and loses?

[lean cedar]

you've never heard of the golden position in chess?

[vital terrace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1466124037674766556/1494787667903385691/cooltext506281649231307.gif

[lean cedar]

e4 d4 nf3 nc3

[rough quiver]

I believe technically instead of d4 h4 is the main line

[lean cedar]

that's basically, do what you want white, i've done nothing to challenge you

[frosty grail]

it's total bs man they are not blunder machines like every yt vid assumes in their annoying advice

[empty ravine]

I think he wins some then loses one to "reduce attention"

[forest oyster]

idk how to counter the king's gambit

i have like lost over 70% of my games against it

[lean cedar]

i get kings gambit is theoretical

so it's differnet.

but other openings technically are too when u allow e4/d4 like the hypermodern

[cobalt oxide]

juat dont play e5

[forest oyster]

they are

you just NEED to FIND and PUNISH them

[empty ravine]

he also knows this line ig

[old verge]

Play your game, if you struggle dealing with it don't accept it, it gets really messy

[lean cedar]

dont accept the pawn

if u dont know how to play against gambits, dont accept them

[forest oyster]

ohh

i keep accepting the pawn

thats on me

[cobalt oxide]

lol

[nimble arch]

Yep i checked, d4 is losing

[lean cedar]

yee, gm advice, not comin from me, thats how you refute it

[frosty grail]

"just develop your pieces"
pieces developed and nothing happens until an inevitable blunder because there's no move that does anything
"just dont blunder"
they also dont blunder & it's back to no moves doing anything until i just pick a move and it's a mistake 9 moves later
"just make improving moves 🤓"
nothing ever happens bro

[lean cedar]

you play safe

defend everything\

accepting the gambit says you know the theory and you arent afraid

[frosty grail]

it pmos me

[empty ravine]

he is either doing a challenge as a sandbagger or is a 'smart' cheater

[nimble arch]

I remember talking to a kings gambit player otb and him saying he got “d4 syndrome” where he always plays d4 too early

[nimble arch]

Broski ur opponent is legit why cant you accept that lmao

[old verge]

"they also don't blunder and it's back to no moves doing anything"

Checks game review

"4 blunders, 3 missed wins"

[forest oyster]

if you think your opponents are invincible

you'll never surpass them

I just assume all my opponents are as garbage as me

[lean cedar]

is that a thing in kings gambit theory? Lol I know in the english, pushing d4 at the wrong time in some lines is critical

[empty ravine]

he played every opening possible

[storm dune]

you do not play logical chess then.

[cobalt oxide]

theres always a move

[upbeat portal]

It's so funny when they get angy

[forest oyster]

yeahh humans are not very good at assuming things

[lean cedar]

when they say "they dont blunder" they probably mean "my opp. didnt give me any chances until i blundered". it's kindof the idea

[old verge]

why with a football specifically though

[nimble arch]

Yeah sometimes you need to wait before d4 because black has more important threats

[nimble arch]

So he’s inexperienced

[rough quiver]

👍

[lean cedar]

like, if ur opponent is playing strong moves for 20 moves and doesnt let u have an ounce of counterplay, eventually u will blunder. does that mean its on you, or is there some contributing factor to the strong moves with no inch of chance?

[forest oyster]

a 2000 can beat the brakes out of a 1300

the same way a 1000 can beat the brakes out of a 300

[cobalt oxide]

low on time?

[nimble arch]

Guys the london system is not a high skill opening

You do not need to study chess much to know the basic setup

[upbeat portal]

Nope

[pale eagle]

I'm stuck on 100 elo, can anyone give me tips?

[cobalt oxide]

why resign?

[pale eagle]

I'm using London system but idk what to do when my pieces are out

[upbeat portal]

I actually don't understand what you mean

[forest oyster]

the london taught me alot about chess

[tawdry lotus]

My school's chess tournament is Tommorow. What should I do?

[upbeat portal]

Because white is loosing

[pale eagle]

yeah?

[tawdry lotus]

I am sorta new

[nimble arch]

Rest

[lean cedar]

i think people cheat a F ton in openings.. whether they look at a line, opening theory, notes... but like... c4 is one of the least known theoretical lines black can face and there's tons and tons of theory for every reply. I get if you play like, the symmetrical and do the same thing.. ok.. but when I encounter an 1100 who is playing 15 moves deep in theory i've studied as white that they've never seen before, i'm always like... how?

[old verge]

Play 20 hours straight to make sure you are ready

[tawdry lotus]

Uh

[uneven wolf]

I like to develop in the middle with it or target the pawns on the sides

[cobalt oxide]

why not take queen?

[nimble arch]

I dont cuz these opponents are not playing it correctly

[upbeat portal]

What?

[nimble arch]

Neither am i tho so i guess its normal

[pale eagle]

okay so I develop in the middle and target the pawns

[tawdry lotus]

How do I improve in a day

[manic frost]

I'm just farming great moves😭
Also, that brilliant was just a back rank mate, nothing impressive

[pale eagle]

does anyone wanna play and like tell me my mistakes

[uneven wolf]

kind of

[lean cedar]

some are, up until a certain extent. But you have to understand how many choices there are in these lines, and there's always a strongest choice or mainline. to play that without knowing it is weird. people play the english just so they can have a 'i know this but you dont' advantage

[old verge]

Isn't it a draw? Pawn takes queen

[cobalt oxide]

what
am i look at the board the wrong way?

[upbeat portal]

He's on my side of the board

[nimble arch]

But honestly its not that much of an advantage imo

[old verge]

Oh wait it's the other way around lol

[uneven wolf]

I don't really have a plan with London I usually react to my opponent's play and then decide what to target

[lean cedar]

No ur right about that, i just find it odd

[pale eagle]

Ah

[cobalt oxide]

oh

[lean cedar]

it tilts me mentally, that's the bigger advantage LUL @nimble arch

[empty ravine]

he played 116 games and out of those 116 games his most common opening has been played only 27 times

[uneven wolf]

bishops are so godly in london

[forest oyster]

iirc the
london is easy to deal with as long as you don't block c5 with your knight

[pale eagle]

No I mean like after the opening, or even when in game. I can't seem to win anything like it's just stable I'm like if I take they take and I'm cooked like can we just play

[lean cedar]

i premove my opening theory that I know to prove i know it

[empty ravine]

he also climbed 600 rating in a week

[old verge]

I like the London cause it can be easy to build a pawn attack with a3 b4

[lean cedar]

these mfs be thinking for 7 seconds making the top moves like yea ok

[nimble arch]

It shouldnt, ur opponent is matched with ur rating for a reason, if they know a hell ton of opening theory then they make up for it by being worse in another aspect of the game otherwise theyd be higher rated

7 seconds is fine

[lean cedar]

well rating has nothing to do with what im talking about but i get what you're saying. you can do this at any rating, you can also be legit at any rating. but if you know the theory, you should be able to move a bit faster than 7-9 seconds....

[nimble arch]

Uh no

It takes time to remember the line if you forgot it

[lean cedar]

I can premove every opening I know up til like, move 7

[nimble arch]

And its still important to validate it

[lean cedar]

that's true

[old verge]

I mean it depends, even if I know the line sometimes I like to go for sidelines or try to remember it, so I might stop for a second

[nimble arch]

Unwise to do it blindly, you need a soft check at minimim

[lean cedar]

i forget some of the lines

but I dont end up playing the best move when i do

I play like an ok alternative usually and take a little bit more time

[nimble arch]

Ive thought for 30 minutes before

[lean cedar]

Oh I dont mean that, I mean in rapid or 5 mins

[nimble arch]

And didnt make the best move

So its ok

[lean cedar]

Lol

I've thought for like 4 min to blunder

[uneven wolf]

break open the center?

[weak pewter]

hii

[uneven wolf]

I love c4 a lot when my opponent doesn't fight for the center

[runic rain]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-overthinking-homework-tired-brain-brain-on-fire-gif-16625827878902407192

[old verge]

Well Hikaru thought for 67 minutes just to play the wrong move so it happens to the best of us

[lean cedar]

oh come on, we've all done it :P

[rare steeple]

what if i made my own opening

[runic rain]

Are yiu sure it was 67 minutes

[cold fern]

.

[cold fern]

You cant

[rare steeple]

why not

[lean cedar]

yeah but that's a bit different.. it was losing at that level but if it were anywhere sub master level it'd of been fine for an inaccuracy

[old verge]

I think it was funnily enough, not sure if it crossed the 68th

[nimble arch]

You could just make sure its good, (also most thing thats good are already named)

[cold fern]

All the possible openings were already named

[frosty grail]

I assume they're as bad as me til they prove they're better and now I just assume everyone is way better than I am

[rare steeple]

not true

[lean cedar]

they're almost all taken.. all the first 20 moves are regardless

[nimble arch]

Not first 20

[cold fern]

The good ones*

[lean cedar]

yes, they all have a name

[old verge]

No I get that, I just mean that long thinking to remember the line or mess up happens at every level, it just happens

[nimble arch]

Some innovations havent had a name uet

[lean cedar]

wait maybe a3/h3 a4/h4 dont

[nimble arch]

Like fabis novelty in the archangeslk

[lean cedar]

but i think thats it

[nimble arch]

Those have names lol

[frosty grail]

Something something alien gambit was something come up with relatively recently idk

[lean cedar]

oh lol.. yea i just forgot them

[nimble arch]

Or fabis idea we saw in the canidates with Bd2

[lean cedar]

i think i know the other 16, i forget what nh3 is

[nimble arch]

Honestly a fascinating way to play against the petrov, that doesnt have a name

[old verge]

Yeah, there's still no name for my Saragossa line, smh how could they not check my games

[lean cedar]

i play the saragossa all the time a tempo down its just the caro cann :P

[cobalt oxide]

MY GAMBIT!!! MY LEGACY!!!

[lean cedar]

c3 is not a bad opening at all it can transpose into a ton of openings its been played by magnus alot

[nimble arch]

Gosh id hope ppls legacy isnt tied to somthing refuted

[nimble arch]

“Its been played by magnus alot” is a HORRIBLE ARUGEMNT

[lean cedar]

well, its transposeable into mainlines of good openings is the main argument

[nimble arch]

Also magnus really doesnt play it frequently

[cobalt oxide]

oh you dont get the reference?

[nimble arch]

Yes but when is that transposion ever better in that mvoe order

[nimble arch]

Ive seen the clip

[cobalt oxide]

oh ok

[lean cedar]

what do you mean? it's c3 - there's so much flexibility

[old verge]

It's so flexible too, I really like the different variations it can turn into, it's also more tricky than people think in some lines, obviously once you go up it's obsolete, but until then it's nice, you adapt to different types of openings

[nimble arch]

Right like you could play d4…
Or play d4 first and then c3 at a better time….

[buoyant warren]

I fw c3

[lean cedar]

yeah, but you can also play c5 as black, but then theres the caro cann with c6 :P

[nimble arch]

Yeah but you do with all sorts of bs

Like im pretty sure you said that with the grob too

[cobalt oxide]

i got that game just earlier
i played it back naturally

[buoyant warren]

Its more of a hyper opening for me

[lean cedar]

c3 is nowhere near as bad as the grob. it's like how sicilian/english are inverses, so are caro and saragossa

[old verge]

The grob is hella good actually, very flexible

[nimble arch]

I quit

[lean cedar]

grob is the most weakening first move with the worst central control and prospects for development

[lean cedar]

f3 is pretty bad too i think but f4 is fine

[uneven wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/chess-chess-thumbnail-chess-edit-chess-tuff-edit-tuff-gif-12471822865750294649

[lean cedar]

f3 might contend with g4 as worst

[exotic bluff]

Shiii how do I unlock the ability to send images?

[lean cedar]

reason with g3 is good is because of fianchetto/transpositions..

[old verge]

I think we made Pixel quit

[summer basin]

2 dollar

[lean cedar]

thats fine

pixel is a big boy

[exotic bluff]

I thought I need to connect my discord to my chess

[potent pond]

Chess maggots sup

[lean cedar]

2 fiddy

[old verge]

Yea, that costs 2 dollars

[exotic bluff]

But I only have 50 cents

[lean cedar]

guys u want a pro tip? only buy the gold membership u can get all the features of diamond unlocked using free websites (gold gets u chess.com lessons, unlimited puzzles, etc the stuff u need)

[nimble arch]

Old gold used to be good

[lean cedar]

its still good imo

[nimble arch]

AND THEN THEY TOOK IT WHICH IS STUPID

[potent pond]

There's many free sites goof ball

[cobalt oxide]

try being a therapist on the street for 5 scents

[rare steeple]

why would i buy membership for chess

[lean cedar]

thats what i just said lol

[nimble arch]

Nah the new gold is just so obviously worse

[rare steeple]

just learn through vid or smth

[lean cedar]

because its 5 dollars and thousands of hours of useful material

[rare steeple]

yt is free

[lean cedar]

yt is not as organized nor useful / premium

[exotic bluff]

I think they mean that there are free puzzles and lessons as well

[summer basin]

Why did you ask then

[nimble arch]

Lichess

[lean cedar]

the structure alone of having everything organized and tracked is worth 5 dollars

[exotic bluff]

Cause I didn’t know for sure

[potent pond]

Oh I didn't read it all

[nimble arch]

A month

[lean cedar]

true..

[rare steeple]

maybe if it was permanent

[lean cedar]

i mean bro ppl take months making these lessons/courses

[nimble arch]

Lichess is better cc has more players tho

[lean cedar]

u wanna give em 5 dollars for permanent ?

that's a bit of an insult KEK

y u think chessable courses can go for like $200

[nimble arch]

They shouldn’t

They arent worth it

[lean cedar]

chessmood is a sub lesson website for chess, its like $80 a month

[cobalt oxide]

do they?

[nimble arch]

People pirate ir

[lean cedar]

chess.com is not expensive trust

[cobalt oxide]

shit man

[old verge]

Because no one besides the top 0.1% makes money from chess

[nimble arch]

Its not worth 80 ive tried it

[honest brook]

having to watch a few videos to get info always gonna be better than paying for that shit lmao

[nimble arch]

Less

[lean cedar]

@nimble arch its really good but yeah not worth $80

thats mad money

[nimble arch]

Its not worth 8

[lean cedar]

chessmood? yes it is he has great stuff

[golden juniper]

sub guys

[honest brook]

I've only learned chess thru YouTube and I'm doing pretty alright

[old verge]

I was tryina be positive with the 0.1%

[lean cedar]

it's all organized, he has quizzes, its tracked for you, he has downloadable sheets

[exotic bluff]

Watch Gothamcheese

[lean cedar]

pretty good if you ask me

[golden juniper]

how can i participate in tournments with prizes

[nimble arch]

There’s legitimately only sigular line i still use from chessmood and its only for a specfic transposition i rarely play in

[lean cedar]

you use it for line prep, or for their courses? they have amazing courses, like their course on attacking was fantastic

I learned so many things I'd never known about attacking

for opening theory thats like meh

I watched his french one, it was cool but all opening courses are the same

[old verge]

Obviously some courses are really good but I think it would be more useful to analyse old GM games than doing courses, it's free and there's so much to learn from them

[golden juniper]

anone knows?

[burnt loom]

if you have money to spend then do both

[lean cedar]

there are rules that ppl really dont talk about alot, like, one that was super useful that seems obvious but I didnt really internalize was the castled knight (most cases) but sometimes its a bishop is the best defensive piece for the castled king. that's why you want to kick it or exchange it to prepare any attack

and there's tonnns of useful things like that

[burnt loom]

fianchettoed bishop and g3/f3 knight? whats a castled knight

[lean cedar]

yes

exactly that

[burnt loom]

g3 or f3 knight

[lean cedar]

the f3 one

[honest brook]

courses useful if you wanna give away money out of not having the will to search shit lawl

[lean cedar]

or the f6 one

[old verge]

It's true but also I think those are stuff you can learn by pattern recognition the more you play. At some point your brain goes like "hm, usually I am surviving attacks better when my knight or bishop is there"

[lean cedar]

that isnt a pattern, that's someone telling you that when this piece is gone, your attacks are more effective. how the hell you gonna know that randomly? even if you get rid of it in your games, putting two and two together is not common sense its more like, oh... that makes sense after you know it.. I mean im sure some ppl figured it out on their own, but it's not obvious

Are you good bro?

[stone flume]

Your move

[lean cedar]

brother go play chess

[burnt loom]

ive never heard about fianchettoed bishop or castled knight being good defensive pieces ever explicitly, but somehow i already internally know that

[lean cedar]

yeah.

[kindred crypt]

I blundered my queen and pulled off the most clutch win of my life and I am now officially at my PEAK rating

[lean cedar]

this is what I mean. once you hear it though its like " oh wow "

that makes a shit ton of sense

[stone flume]

This is chess.

[old verge]

I mean yea but imagine you play chess daily, after thousands or so of games it does technically become a pattern cause you will notice the position is better or worse if these pieces are on certain squares

[burnt loom]

for me its like "oh wow" "but i already knew that"

[lean cedar]

well do you wanna explain why they're the best defensive piece?

[frosty peak]

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[kindred crypt]

PEAK

LETS GO

[burnt loom]

minor pieces

[old verge]

Congrats!

[burnt loom]

so not easily kicked by other minor pieces

[lean cedar]

I dunno. you don't subconsciously do something you dont know is a thing. its like endgame theory, philidor, lucenna, you dont just stumble upon that, it's very concrete strategy. I think this is the same thing. I mean I Get what ur saying but there's like a mix of it here ig

[kindred crypt]

i did not deserve to win my last two games tbh but i lucked out

[lean cedar]

huh?

[burnt loom]

there are like a bunch of reasons i cant word out because its intuition and that by definition is unexplainable

[lean cedar]

I know they're minor pieces, I mean why is the f3 knight the best king defender? @burnt loom as opposed to anything else? or the pawns?

[burnt loom]

defends h7? and takes 1 move to defend to g7? and it controls a buunch of squares

[lean cedar]

well it is easily kicked, it's vulnerable to f/d file advances

and f file is supported by a rook

its also easily tradeable/exchangeable and pinnable

[old verge]

I would assume it's because it's hard to kick out a minor piece with a pawn unless both opposite castle, so your best bet is trading it but then it can be covered by the other knight/bishop. On top of that your king is already defending, so they would need to attack with 3 pieces

[burnt loom]

einsteins theory of general relativity

[lean cedar]

Lmao its just a simple why

[lean cedar]

its a good guess but i dont think that's it

[burnt loom]

itll take a pawn to kick it

[deft shard]

M so bad at cheese

🧀

[old verge]

Quite the mozzarella

[deft shard]

[burnt loom]

its ofc kickable if you take like a few moves and overextend your pawn structure and neglect the center, compared to a rook its harder to kick tho, again its intuition and not easy to word out

[lean cedar]

from what I remember its because the f7 and h7 pawns are the most vulnerable pawns in chess, they protect your king and are usually only defended by your king (f pawn once rook moves. so by having that knight there, it shuts off any tactical ideas on the diaganol like a bishop check to expose a discovered attack, or a mate threat with a queen and knight on the h7 pawn

so with that gone, those pawns are infinitely more attackable

[old verge]

wrong, c is the most valuable one because it allows you to play c3, the best opening

[lean cedar]

LOL

me: why no play c4?

just move 2 step ahead

also me: plays c6 instead of c5

[chrome quartz]

NOO I MISSED MATE

[burnt loom]

cool tho thats not a reason explaining why the knight is the "best" defensive piece

[grim geode]

hi

[burnt loom]

compared to a queen

[lean cedar]

what do you mean? yes it does.. i just said that it prevents tactics and mating threats on the two weakest pawns near your king

well your queen can certainly defend, but queen is also the best attacking piece

[burnt loom]

compared to other pieces that also prevent tactics and mating threats on pawns near your king

[old verge]

I mean c4 is better engine wise but I want people to play e5 and challenge my d4 push, that will probably not happen with a c4 push

[lean cedar]

so it doesnt make alot of sense to have ur queen sitting near ur castled king

babysitting the pawns XD

[burnt loom]

who cares aobut the engine on the first move

[upbeat portal]

I love gd

[old verge]

Many people do, sadly

[lean cedar]

your rook/queen? i already mentioned your queen, and your rooks also control files and attack and are vital in endgames

[nimble arch]

Its fun

[lean cedar]

the other one, bishop, also serves the same purpose as the knight, if it's there, so that covers all of them @burnt loom

[nimble arch]

But it hurts my hands if i play for like more than 30 minutes at a time

For niwa at least

[forest oyster]

i put my queen in danger 3 times this game

IT COULD HAVE GOTTEN TRAPPED 😭

[lean cedar]

you can certainly defend /w rook/queen but like i said they're far better attackers, and have 4 k/b and only 2 rooks and 1 queen @burnt loom

[old verge]

Tbh though maybe it's just me, but that's so much thought, which isn't bad

But I defend or attack based on vibes

[lean cedar]

d5 gets played against c4 alot

[burnt loom]

ok

[lean cedar]

it's the anglo scandi, its basically a scandi with english taste

you take the pawn, queen recaptures, u kick queen /w ur knight, queen goes home

just like scandi

[nimble arch]

It gets played, not a lot, but more than it should

[burnt loom]

^this is a proper comparison while your initial statement isnt

[lean cedar]

ive encountered it quite alot

[nimble arch]

It so much worse than the scandi tho

[lean cedar]

meh its playable, its not like losing on move 1

ur just exchanging a pawn

[nimble arch]

It’s really bad

[lean cedar]

u lose tempo, that's it, that's not game losing

[nimble arch]

Yes but white gets center more

[burnt loom]

how is c4 d5 even playable

[lean cedar]

but u can argue u open up some stuff with the d pawn being pushed/gone anyway

[lean cedar]

white also has to know how to attack once he gets that center

that's the hard part

[nimble arch]

With the normal scandi you are trading a center pawn for a center pawn and winning a tempo

[burnt loom]

c4 d5 is scandi but worse and scandi is already borderline unplayable

[nimble arch]

With anglo white keepts their center plays

[lean cedar]

u ever try to mate someone who just pushes pawns 1step and plays back? its not easy to break through

esp if they just defend everything

[old verge]

Hmm, not what I meant, the point is that i want e5 to challenge my d4, but if I push c4 early on now I'm forced to take with the queen after exd4 and I have to retreat, while if the pawn is on c3 i can either take with the pawn or queen and then go Qa4

[nimble arch]

Wdym plays back

[lean cedar]

like instead of fighting, they play passively but there's seemingly no threats, you have to find the right pawnbreak once your pawns reach the 6th/7th

and it could be any

[nimble arch]

You mean like hippos?

[lean cedar]

no not really let me show u a position

[nimble arch]

I stopped facing those a long time ago

[gritty wave]

I play it 🙂

[lean cedar]

idk something like this ... like white has a great position.. but how to actually break

kick knight, ok it goes to d5, now what

[nimble arch]

Ok cool

[lean cedar]

the c4 d5 lines go like this alot

[nimble arch]

Why are whites bishops so bad

[dark path]

https://tenor.com/view/get-real-chess-chess-get-real-gif-3611039076896834953

[lean cedar]

they arent they're developed

they're about to have scope of the whole diaganol when the knights move

[dark path]

Chat gpt gambit

[nimble arch]

Not to any good squares

[old verge]

I don't like white that much, that white bishop would be much better on b5 or c4 imo, or at least on f8 to open up the rook

[nimble arch]

Theres nothing on those diamoals

[lean cedar]

well... they're not on home base :P thats good enough rn

[nimble arch]

It really isnt

Its blocking your queen too

[lean cedar]

u can obviously bring it out earlier

but im just giving an example of what i mean

[nimble arch]

And rook

[gritty wave]

I would go for a king side attack

[nimble arch]

Well in your example i dont like whites position that much

[gritty wave]

That or just normal positional moves since black is kind of stuck

[lean cedar]

ya, u have to do some planning. and what if black just defends and doesnt push for a win? these types of games arent easy

like u can throw the game tryng to attack wrong

[gritty wave]

If he just defends thats great

[nimble arch]

Rook lined up on c1 is better for queenside pressure

[lean cedar]

have u ever actually played a game like this? its not great its really hard

[gritty wave]

Not that exact position but something similair yeah

Queen side also works

[lean cedar]

you are basically playing the game of "if i dont move perfectly, he can remanuever into a win"

[burnt loom]

thats a bit passive, d4 is hanging and e4 is a target of fianchettoed bishop

[gritty wave]

U cant really blunder in that position tho

[lean cedar]

true but its whites move

[nimble arch]

Qa4 (Possible Bb5 or Bc4) and/or a later knight move combined with a3 b4 will be a solid method

[old verge]

I get that the bishops aren't on the home squares but you were talking about the d5 push, if your queen had the line open now that push would feel way better for you than with the bishop there, you could have it on f4 and threaten to follow up with e5 too and fully space

[wet hollow]

RAWR

[lean cedar]

you say that ..

but the right attacking idea isnt always obvious

especially when things just get traded down

[gritty wave]

Hmm

[lean cedar]

games like this u need min/maj attacks or pawnstorms

u cant rely on pieces when enemies pawns are all defensive

[nimble arch]

White’s position isnt that great because the bishops are bad

[lean cedar]

well engine is giving white +1.3 there, but that +1.3 to victory is a long ass way

[nimble arch]

What do you think im describing

[gritty wave]

So ur pawns help bro

[lean cedar]

ye

[gritty wave]

Move the knight on f3 and launch a pawn storm

[lean cedar]

minority/majority attacks arent easy to do imho

you have like 9 options lol

[gritty wave]

But ur center isnt all that stable yet so idk positional play might be better first

[lean cedar]

take, push, take push, take push 1 2 or 3

[nimble arch]

Too premature to do it on kingside imo

Queenside pressure is stronger

The rooks already on c1 to support it

[lean cedar]

you'd have to do both if they defend well

but yea qs is probably better right now

[gritty wave]

Yeah thats just my style tho since f4 etc looks very strong

But queen side works as well, probably after stabilizing ur center

[lean cedar]

f4 looks strong in what way? you have to reroute the knight first.. it cant go to e5 and it will get kicked on g5

[burnt loom]

no since black is practically incapable of opening up the center as long as you adequately defend the center and use longrange sniper pieces to attack the king and then you can win, not to mention e5 can kick the knight at any time, the threat of that is rly big and you dont even have to overextend it for the threat to be present

[lean cedar]

h4* hangs a pawn

[gritty wave]

Maybe be3

[burnt loom]

f4 seems to hit nothing

[gritty wave]

And then nd2

[lean cedar]

d4 is hanging

you need to push e5 to make a threat

[burnt loom]

supports e5 but then whats stopping that anyway

[burnt loom]

no you only need the threat of e5

[old verge]

Why not Bf4, it seems more active there

[lean cedar]

when d4 is hanging?

bd3 and d4 falls

[gritty wave]

To protect d4

[sand vapor]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSHTebDRu/

[burnt loom]

the threat of e5 means the potential to play it any move

[lean cedar]

u can go like be3 and defend d4

[gritty wave]

But yeah those bishops are awful

[burnt loom]

for example if you were threatening h7 and only the knight defends it the threat of e5 ius enough to make the knight move

[lean cedar]

yes but u have an undefended piece that will fall if u dont do 1 or the other

[gritty wave]

Stabilize ur center then launch a queen or kingside attack

[burnt loom]

to require an additional defensive piece*

[burnt loom]

Be3 then..

[old verge]

But if you move the bishop, the queen and knight protects it no?

[sand vapor]

ChatGPT vs Gemini chess https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSHTebDRu/

[lean cedar]

ya thats fine.

bd3 dont work :P

[burnt loom]

didnt i say that already idk

[lean cedar]

yes you were the one who brought up d4 was hanging

[gritty wave]

Extra protection so another piece can move, like the knight

[burnt loom]

no but you probably want a stabilized center

[lean cedar]

Bf4 is fine

you protect d4 via the queen

bf4 is a good square

[old verge]

I see, fair enough, I guess it is easier to keep the center stabilised and bring in other pieces with Be4

[lean cedar]

g5 isnt coming :P

[old verge]

I didn't really consider using the knight to attack

[lean cedar]

they can try nh5 but it doesnt do anything

[burnt loom]

id prefer be3 if long term plan is kingside attack

bf4 targets c7 allong wit your c1 rook ok

[lean cedar]

its the same diaganol

but i suppose being able to reroute to d4

is a bit better

however thats like 40 moves later

[glass cove]

Can anyone recommend me something for d4

[burnt loom]

i feel a little tired having to put my hand deliberately over the bowl of food im eating right now to type that be3 defends the center but bf4 does not

[lean cedar]

no I understand they are both good

they serve different purposes

[cobalt geyser]

https://link.chess.com/play/savcjb anyone join

[burnt loom]

no but i mean if you want a kigside attack if prefer Be3 defending the center pawn

[lean cedar]

well if its tied to defense how is it gonna be useful in an attack

[main owl]

I tried but it cancled for some reason.

[thorny heart]

.

[upbeat creek]

Hello

[thorny heart]

hi

[lean cedar]

that diaganol is good for kingside attacks, ye? that's what i was tryna say earlier if u recapture nvm i get it

[burnt loom]

so that you defend the center while you attack so you dont lose a million pawns

[rare steeple]

its 4 am for me

[old verge]

Because long-term it brings other pieces, at least how it feels. Currently there are two attacks and defenders on that pawn, by putting your bishop there you stabilise the pawn more, allowing you to freely move the queen or knight. It opens more choices in the following moves

[hearty heron]

my adopted is streaming

go watch dudes

[burnt loom]

welll i mean black literally is unabl to break oipen the center because of his lack of center pawn

[lean cedar]

well if d4 is taken and u have that bishop on that diaganol its long term targeting g7 which is great so i see now

[cobalt geyser]

I'm already in a game

[lean cedar]

ye

thats why this opening is considered meh that and the tempo loss

[dark path]

Is this possible?

[burnt loom]

Be3 solidifyies the center

[lean cedar]

there's pros and cons to every square u choose

[gray gale]

does anypne wanna vs me

[lean cedar]

be3 also blocks the rook in, bf4 also protects h2 when be3 doesnt, etc etc

[gray gale]

my user is 12thchessplayer

[covert dagger]

thats hilarious

[old verge]

What's Black's plan even in this position? Bring the rooks in the middle? a5?

[upbeat creek]

[lean cedar]

let white blunder trying to attack

[covert dagger]

AND SCHOLARS MATE ATTEMPT TWICE 😭

[dark path]

At least I got a juggler

[lean cedar]

black has 0 initiative in this position he's just gotta let white fall apart @old verge

[burnt loom]

he just has to respond to white

[old verge]

let white runs his time on the clock while deciding if they should play Bf4 or Be3

[lean cedar]

lmfao!

[lean cedar]

ur funny

[burnt loom]

Be3 blocks the rook? yea but just play bd3 to defend e4 and line up on h7

ima just go cehck fish on this position

[lean cedar]

ye tru

bf4 also targets c7, thats another thing, be3 targets b6

so many nuances

and the respective diaganols

[abstract olive]

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/167472540358/review?move=16 just look

[frosty peak]

T_i_t_a_s (774) vs. magnus5521 (668)

Move List

1. e4 Nf6 2. Nc3 e5 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. Bc4 Nxe4 5. Nxe4 d5 6. Bxd5 Qxd5 7. Nc3 Qc5 8. O-O Bf5 9. Nxe5 Qxe5 10. Re1 O-O-O 11. Rxe5 [Nxe5] 12. d4 Ng6 13. Bg5 f6 14. Bf4 Nxf4 15. Qf3 g5 16. Nd5 Rxd5 17. Re1 Bd6 18. g3 Nh3+ 19. Kg2 g4 20. Qxd5 h5 21. Qxf5+ 

[raven radish]

Lmao

[frosty peak]

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[lean cedar]

not much use doing that it can go 100000 ways depending on the elo, says white is +1.1 if u wanted to know that i could tell u that but as far as down the road its up for grabs

that +1.1 is for a 4k elo engine :P

[abstract olive]

Nxe5 is a brilliant btw

[old verge]

+1.1 is honestly more than I expected, white is clearly better but a full pawn up positionally?

[gritty wave]

Its easy to play for humans too

[lean cedar]

yes, space and initiative are very important

white has alot more space

a pawns worth apparently

[lean cedar]

1.1?... alright guy

[lean cedar]

i've seen super gms lose with bigger advantages

[gritty wave]

Im talking about the position lol

Black has no plan u got all the options

[lean cedar]

okay, go set this position up and play vs 2k elo bot see how easy it is

[lean cedar]

r2q1rk1/pbp1bppp/1pn1pn2/8/3PP3/2N2N2/PP1BBPPP/2RQR1K1 w - - 0 1

that's the FEN

[cobalt geyser]

Someone join https://link.chess.com/play/NdtvQG

[gritty wave]

U think this position is hard? Why

[lean cedar]

i want to see your game of pushing through

[lean cedar]

I dont think its hard I know its hard

[gritty wave]

Im not gonna play a bot but i wonder why u think white has a tough time

I just explained it as well so idk

[lean cedar]

because white has to prove his lead

[robust zephyr]

how do you manage with so many games?

[lean cedar]

being +1.1 means you have to earn it, black just has to lay back and defend @gritty wave

[gritty wave]

Yeah and its easy to do that…

U just start with a plan bro

[lean cedar]

well if you dont wanna show me how its easy then whats the point of arguing

[gritty wave]

Doesnt mean u checkmate the next move

[gritty wave]

I showed u

[bronze fern]

Tbh no offence to him but maybe he hasn't reached a skill level high enough to play in those kinds of positions, which is fine im not saying he is bad

[gritty wave]

U just dont wanna understand

[lean cedar]

a full game, winning, breaking through is showing me @gritty wave

not theorizing some possibilities

[old verge]

I mean it's probably easier for those 2000+ cause they know how to actually put their plans into motion, but it's easier said than done in an actual game, below 2000 it's easier to make 1 or 2 inaccuracies and go back to equal

[gritty wave]

Its ok but then u gotta learn by admitting ur wrong

[scarlet arrow]

tuturuuuuuuuuu

[lean cedar]

I know these positions are hard because I've studied them and watched coaches explain them

[gritty wave]

Even lower rated

Its not that hard

[scarlet arrow]

what's the debate

[frosty peak]

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[timber badge]

lmmaoooo

i won this

[dark path]

1. Play
2. Select daily
3. Spam

[timber badge]

both missed qxe4 😭

[lean cedar]

he thinks breaking through as white and winning against 2k elo bot is easy

it's up to white to prove the win, and white can mess up at any time. black doesnt have to do that cause he doesn't have the initiative.

[old verge]

Idk, I feel like I would struggle as a 1800, I know I'm better and have the initiative but finding the right path Is not that easy, I already started with Bf5 which does not stabilise the center

[gritty wave]

I said white has all the options and its easy to play

Black doesnt really have counter play

[scarlet arrow]

I meaaan gotta move those bishops a bit but yeah white's comortable

[lean cedar]

ok so go setup this fen vs ur elo bot and show me.. 3 m, 5m idc (r2q1rk1/pbp1bppp/1pn1pn2/8/3PP3/2N2N2/PP1BBPPP/2RQR1K1 w - - 0 1)

[gritty wave]

As i said u probably just stabilize the center, then go for a queen or kingside attack

[dark path]

https://tenor.com/view/witamin-levy-levy-rozman-gothamchess-chessplayer-gif-19486143

[gritty wave]

We’re not gonna play bots bro

This guy doesnt wanna understand

[lean cedar]

u have been arguing for 33 min ur not gonna take 3 min to prove ur point?

[gritty wave]

.

[scarlet arrow]

playing against a bot doesn't prove anything

[gritty wave]

If this isnt clear enough to u then i cant help u

[lean cedar]

well set up this fen against a buddy of ur rating

[scarlet arrow]

ain't like we master that exact kind of position

we're just giving an appreciation from afar

[lean cedar]

maybe zhang can be white and u can be black

go custom game

[scarlet arrow]

I wouldn't get that setup in the first place

so idc 💀

[cobalt oxide]

[lean cedar]

well if you dont want to back up or prove what you are claimng i dont know how you'd convince me, i dont care about words, if you show me how it is possible, i will see and be able to learn and change my opinion

[bronze fern]

White is decent here with rooks on c and e file, knights and pawn controlling centre and king castled safely. Although the bishops are passive this is not enough to lose them the game

[burnt loom]

ok i played against the 2k elo bot and it sorta hung a tactic winning a piece

[lean cedar]

ok, maybe increase elo a bit so it doesnt let you break through LOL

[radiant ingot]

Can somebody rate my game for me

[lean cedar]

2200?

[radiant ingot]

I’m like 100 rated

[burnt loom]

i cant do too high bro

[lean cedar]

if it blunders that doesnt really demonstrate either point

[burnt loom]

im not magnus carlsen

[scarlet arrow]

okay increase until you get to play max strength stockfish, you'll see black always wins from that position

[lean cedar]

well the thing blundered

[burnt loom]

it bludnered under pressure? because i had so much space

[lean cedar]

try 2100

or better

do it vs a human...

[old verge]

I mean it's kinda pointless though, there are so many possible ways the game would go, we cannot get the perfect path, what if in the real game black blunders too, human errors happen all the time

[radiant ingot]

Can somebody high rated rate my name for me I’m 100 rated

[gritty wave]

Dakodi is a ragebait bro he really said play a bot cause i dont understand u

[burnt loom]

well the 2000 elo bot is listed as aggresive so it did a lot of pawn breaks which i dont think it can in a position with so little space

[gritty wave]

[burnt loom]

tactics are bound to be more present when you have more space

[lean cedar]

oh.. are u doing personalities?

[burnt loom]

noone is agreeing to play that as black

[errant thorn]

any 200 elo wanna play

[lean cedar]

u need to scroll all the way down to 'engine' and select '2000' its a gray number

[burnt loom]

ok

[lean cedar]

under bots

[bronze fern]

Bro even super GMs lose to stockfish with a piece up. You say make the elo higher but obviously they will lose if you keep increasing the bots elo

[steep cargo]

Sure

[austere dirge]

GUYS I FOUND A PERSON CHAT AND SAID CHECK MY BIO IT SAID GOODGIRLS

[lean cedar]

ya those bots /w personalities are hardcoded to play a certain way, the engine bot isnt

[old verge]

Sure I'm playing as black since they are worse, I would lose as white too against you but at least I have an excuse to losing

[errant thorn]

u 1960

[steep cargo]

No

[frosty peak]

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[tender tulip]

damn

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[radiant ingot]

Guys pray for me

[lean cedar]

huh? stockfish can be set to 400 elo

[old verge]

look at jay flex his rating

[errant thorn]

fire0571

[steep cargo]

Ok. Play against me.

[scarlet arrow]

you're not getting the point

💀

[glass cove]

Anyone wanna play me

[radiant ingot]

Ikr

[scarlet arrow]

stop ragebaiting

[steep cargo]

Nevermind, playing against this guy, for now.

[kindred crypt]

@radiant ingot wanna play a game

[bronze fern]

Bruh obviously i am talking about stockfish 15 or 17 or whatever the highest is

[lean cedar]

dont accuse people of ragebaiting when they arent

[radiant ingot]

nty

[frosty peak]

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Bullet: 1521 (peak)

[high lance]

How are people getting 400 rapid elo without playing a single game on first login

[lean cedar]

looks like you're just trying to stir things up..

[old verge]

Jay what has hit rock bottom worse, your rating or wolves

[lean cedar]

yes.. that engine can be set to any playing strength. stockfish isnt always 4k

[hearty heron]

bro only grinds bullet 🔥

[steep cargo]

That is default.

[gritty wave]

Cant u choose ur skill level at the start or something

[lean cedar]

do you know how chess engines work? @bronze fern

[high lance]

What's the highest u can get without playing

[scarlet arrow]

do you ?

💀

[steep cargo]

1600 (I think)

[high lance]

What

[lean cedar]

yes.. i have my own chess gui and a coded engine installed on my desktop

[gritty wave]

Play me plsn

[high lance]

And how to retain it ?

[hearty heron]

nah

[bronze fern]

Dude I know. Dont try teach me things I already know. And that info is besides the point in this conversation

[tender tulip]

i've been grinding blitz

[gritty wave]

Scared

[steep cargo]

By winning.

[old verge]

I think you can set it 2000? Or maybe it's 1600 and I'm misremembering

[high lance]

If u lose your rating goes to 100?

[lean cedar]

teach you? I'm asking you not trying to teach you

[scarlet arrow]

well I have a kernel installed on my computer, doesn't mean I know how it works entirely

💀

[steep cargo]

No, it shows you how much it will drop per game.

[burnt loom]

it saced the exchange

[steep cargo]

You don't go directly to 0.

[cobalt geyser]

https://link.chess.com/play/WuJVCS Anyone join

[hollow rapids]

i'm actually just so good

[lean cedar]

good comparison.. not like you'd need to know how a chess GUI works to know how to use it or anything :P

[high lance]

I mean like at what point your elo will work normal

[scarlet arrow]

erm whatever

[lean cedar]

if you dont believe me i can screenshot it

[steep cargo]

After you play 5-10 games, when everything has stabilized.

[high lance]

Oh alright thx

[steep cargo]

Anyone wants to play blitz or rapid?

[hearty heron]

nah just not time wasting with chess

[austere dirge]

What's you're elo?

[lean cedar]

just because u see 500-800 does not mean im stupid

[old verge]

I think it takes around 15-20 games actually

[steep cargo]

1960 (probably)

[gritty wave]

[lean cedar]

people are way too quick to jump to conclusions and not focus on whats being discussed rather the person discussing it

[steep cargo]

Yeah, but you receive your elo after 5 games.

[gritty wave]

@hearty heron do u do coaching yet? If so what are ur fees

[scarlet arrow]

you're not listening to the answers, always trying to push your own opinion despite many much stronger player answering

[burnt loom]

@lean cedar it sacrificed the exchange to save its position

[hearty heron]

id coach 2 lessons for 20$ rn

[lean cedar]

no, im asking for evidence and to be shown to be proven wrong... quite the opposite

[frosty peak]

<:profile:1016802308278976642> thegreatestblundermaster

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Rapid: 1046 (1226 peak)
Blitz: 1023 (1031 peak)
Bullet: 1591 (1644 peak)

[proven wave]

Hello everyone

[gritty wave]

Thats solid

[frosty peak]

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Rapid: 1411 (1416 peak)
Blitz: 1447 (1633 peak)
Bullet: 1425 (1449 peak)

[tender tulip]

people who can still plays rapid is great people because i can't understand why tf you won't get bored with 10min play time

[lean cedar]

show the game

[hearty heron]

too cheap ill boost eventually after i get some exp

[lean cedar]

thanks for doing it btw, you didnt have to do it @burnt loom

[proven wave]

What is going on?

[empty ravine]

who is reacting tf happened

[hollow rapids]

i think it's 18 even

[burnt loom]

@lean cedar

[lean cedar]

it only lasted 10 ply? lol wtf

[rare steeple]

is vienna gambit a good opening

[bronze fern]

Yes

[hollow rapids]

"... quite the opposite!" 🤓

[burnt burrow]

Guys, as a 1400 I just drawed a 2300

[austere dirge]

Yeah

[rare steeple]

ok

[burnt burrow]

Im so goated

[lean cedar]

shit sorry my vocabulary isnt braindead

[old verge]

Tell them to stop drinking

[burnt loom]

10 moves

[burnt burrow]

On time btw

[proven wave]

Idk.
It's depend on -What you like and what is your playing style.
Feel free to ask in #💬〡improvement-talk or #1039982616159465595

[burnt burrow]

I had insufficient checkmating material but I won on time

[hollow rapids]

vocabulary can't be braindead you imbecile

[old verge]

Yes that's what happens when he takes shots mid-game

[burnt loom]

one ply is half a move

[kindred crypt]

Can we play a game

[burnt burrow]

Later

[burnt burrow]

You can friend me tho

[kindred crypt]

Username?

[burnt burrow]

Hop-OnChess

[bronze fern]

Btw if you like the english, you need to see the game between yasser seirawan and viktor korchnoi. Its analysed on youtube by seirawan himself

[austere dirge]

Guys why do Indian player's use the scholars mate?

[hollow rapids]

did dakodi get muted lmao

[hollow rapids]

because it's easy

[bronze fern]

Indian players tend to play dubious openings imo

[lean cedar]

wait keep going tho.. game seems fine to me so far

[indigo void]

Welll well well

[hollow rapids]

silence, 500-999

[indigo void]

Anyy high elo wanna play ratedd

[lean cedar]

alright, you need a timeout, or some friends so you stop talking to me

[indigo void]

So i get elo faster

[obsidian plume]

Ok i beat 2100 with london at 2min + 1

[hollow rapids]

you literally pissing off mods here they ain't gonna do shit

[indigo void]

Good job

[lean cedar]

i meant a timeout like the ones for babies, not a ban

[hollow rapids]

oh yeah tell your mom the money is on the nightstand

[obsidian plume]

Haa!! Imagine the embarassment. Losing to meme opening

[indigo void]

Howw many times?

[hollow rapids]

HAHAAHAH you are so funny

[indigo void]

Haha wait london is real opening but ye no one likes it

[lean cedar]

idgaf if people say stupid shit, as long as it isnt illegal or tos i dont cry to mods

[obsidian plume]

Ok i cant post evidence photo. Wtf

[hollow rapids]

and you are clearly superior to all of us

except when it comes to elo so shush

[lean cedar]

when did i say that..?

[austere dirge]

People sometimes use it

[austere dirge]

But it always pissed othes

[indigo void]

Sometimes

[lean cedar]

and there's 100000 people on chess.com rn superior to you in elo, what does it matter?

[hollow rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/sybau-syaos-british-english-ts-pmo-gif-18322740700124619850

[burnt loom]

dont have time to play a full game, i was just demonstrating, the position i got is up an exchange so its like winning
although the position is like only +1 its actually not easy to play as black and thats why 2k bot can blunder so easily

[indigo void]

Nah

[lean cedar]

ok i appreciate you playing it out, thanks

did you notice any difference between the personality bot and the engine bot?

[hollow rapids]

not true i am number 1

[burnt loom]

https://tenor.com/view/sybau-lazerdim-lazerdim700-ld-sylau-gif-8872031861262125330

[lean cedar]

i dont get why people think insulting elo is some kind of flex , if u dont ahve an otb title or get paid for chess ur literally like equivalent to a homeless beggar in a rich city

[honest brook]

London isn't a bad opening

it's a meme technically but not cause it's bad it's cause it's boring

[burnt loom]

perosnallyity bot plays more aggressive, it tried c5 f5 engine one only did c5 and did like a weird knight advancing move that it had to immediately retreat after a3 tho i gues he wanted to prepare c5

[lean cedar]

i dont know why it took on a3

[bronze fern]

There's a lot of exceptions to that like general zod, for example

[lean cedar]

guess the tatic was pretty advanced to see tbf @burnt loom

[rare steeple]

ive lost like 7 games due to being blind to diagonal spots

[hollow rapids]

ever heard the story about the fox and the grapes little one

[rare steeple]

how do i fix that

[tawdry lotus]

Phone or laptop for online chess?

[hollow rapids]

playing more

[obsidian plume]

Ok time to look for more london victims. Hehheh

[lean cedar]

who dat

[honest brook]

whichever u prefer laptop probably better though

[lean cedar]

ever looked up the definition of get off my bawls

[burnt loom]

desperado, it was trapped

[hollow rapids]

ever heard the story of get some braces for that overbite

[lean cedar]

ye, there was some better continuation to win the hanging pawn on e4 and then target the rook with tempo idk if a 2100 bot couldve seen it

[bronze fern]

Hes 2800 blitz but has no title (he can probably get at least FM if he tried) and does not play chess professionally

[hollow rapids]

@atomic pier is also 2800

[bronze fern]

Damnnm

[lean cedar]

ive had no problems with my sex life cause of my teeth i'll let you know

you care so much about me though jesus

[hollow rapids]

can't have any problems with it if you don't have it

[lean cedar]

2800 blitz with no title is sus asf

[austere dirge]

Guys I just played a game and the moment I move e4 my opponent resign

[quasi nova]

How?

[lean cedar]

so you're amungst the highest elo in chess and that good, so obviously you take it as seriously as everyone else that good, but you dont put in the work in person, only online? makes you wonder

[bronze fern]

Wdym sus. Hes worked hard for a long time to get his rating

[dapper mulch]

Yo any afm here

[dark path]

Agreed

[lean cedar]

at that elo, chess is your life, you have a title, you get paid, you go to tournaments, because if it werent, you wouldnt grind to 2800 to have fun

[quasi nova]

Some people can't go to tournaments OTB often or at all, or they live in an area where there aren't strong enough players to earn a title

[dapper mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/chess-chesscom-chess-gif-reaction-reply-gif-25958217

Hi

[lean cedar]

okay, 2800 is amazing, but why does he only have online rating to show for it?

[burnt loom]

they just play online

[glass cove]

Anyone wanna play

[dapper mulch]

I

[burnt loom]

cus you dont play otb

[frosty peak]

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Rapid: 1607 (1628 peak)
Blitz: 1181 (1542 peak)
Bullet: 1057 (1194 peak)

[burnt loom]

then you dont get fide

[dapper mulch]

Your elo

[lean cedar]

but when ur that high rated, chess is your life, you dont casually get that high rated and not take chess seriously

[signal snow]

It was an honour playing the second best bullet player

[glass cove]

1600

[bronze fern]

Theres a ton of chess savants in nyc aswell who are super skilled otb but dont have any titles and dont get paid for their chess

[dapper mulch]

Noo go

[burnt loom]

they just do online not otb

[glass cove]

Anyone wanna play??

[quasi nova]

Ragebait detected

[lean cedar]

that's not very believable im sorry

it's just counterintuitive to alot of logic and others who have a path that is normal

[kindred crypt]

@burnt burrow 1 more game

[lean cedar]

you dont get so good at something it makes up your entire life but only do it online

when everyone else at that elo has a title

[glass cove]

https://link.chess.com/play/3iEnMk

[lean cedar]

all the other online only 2900s who are titleless it's sus too

[burnt loom]

its jst preference

[lean cedar]

just saying

[burnt loom]

https://tenor.com/view/vladimir-kramnik-kramnik-chesscom-chess-meme-anis-84-gif-10256479517071193831

[lean cedar]

GMs say it all the time in their speedruns and videos

like who is this 3k that has no in person chess history, did he grow up in a forest?

[dapper mulch]

Yo any wana play

[lean cedar]

at that rating ur literally playing with the best of the world, you have consciously chosen to pass a level that includes casual, fun, hobby

[cunning pelican]

overboard means you need to go out and pay for playing in fide standard tournaments and that usually means probably over a hour per game

[lean cedar]

I understand. But you would do that if you take chess seriously enough to be 2900 online.

If you did not, you wouldn't grind to 2900...

Because the casual motivation would be fulfilled

[cunning pelican]

maybe they don’t like sitting at a single board a single game for over a hour and paying for it

[burnt loom]

you can take ches seriously and still not want to play over the board

or you ccould just not like classical chess

[cunning pelican]

and travel

[bronze fern]

Some people just dont want to do it professionally and theres nothing wrong with that. Also getting titles costs money and some people just dont care for them

[kindred crypt]

@burnt burrow why did you reject

[lean cedar]

Well that's odd, it's chess, it exists primarily as an OTB sport (FIDE), online is just for fun and titled tuesday (or w/e cash tournaments)

[glass cove]

Bro anyone wanna complete some chess books with me I always get bored doing them

[burnt burrow]

Ima play a friend 😭

[cunning pelican]

maybe they play for fun then

[lean cedar]

like, it's completely fine if ur 1100

[quasi nova]

If they don't find it enjoyable to play long games then why would they force themselves to go for a title just to appease some people online

[lean cedar]

that makes sense... but not 2800, at that point you arent in the 1100s same worldview of chess anymore

[burnt loom]

so youre saying its unacceptable to be good at hte game and not play otb?

[chrome quartz]

some people dont wanna spend money

[bronze fern]

What about the world speed chess championship in london not too long ago. Serious professional chess with a lot of money on the line. Yet it was played on computers

[cunning pelican]

basically travel 1 hour + games paying for the tournament for itself it just takes to much time and effort to get a tile even 2500 online might be equal to only 2400 fide

[lean cedar]

then why are they grinding to the top percentile with the strongest players and not doing it professionally or showing that they can do it over the board

[burnt loom]

i mean unbelievable

[pseudo garden]

Are we talking about potential alternate accounts, or actual legal names that have a large discrepenacy in their OTB history?

[cunning pelican]

if you have only a chess.com rating your probably not strongest players

[autumn python]

maybe they live in a country that doesnt host tournaments often

[quasi nova]

Because they don't want to go to these tournaments, it's quite simple

[burnt loom]

maybe theyre not playing chess for show

[autumn python]

and simply cant afford travel

[cunning pelican]

• countries or cities that don’t host standard tournaments as much and they can’t afford travel

[forest tartan]

Hello

Guys

[lean cedar]

idk , i also play video games, that high up in the ladder in every video game they are all professional esports players for the tournaments, and if they arent, they're trying to be

[autumn python]

in my country, theres never a official tournament

[cunning pelican]

chess not equal to all sports

[lean cedar]

when you take something seriously enough to put yourself in an environment where it's that difficult, and takes that much effort, you've surpassed what it is to be fulfilled with a casual hobby.

Read what im saying before !? it

[hollow rapids]

it has existed primarily otb that does not mean it will continue to be that way

[burnt loom]

high up as in what? in video games top 0.1% can still be normal players that dont go for tournaments

[cunning pelican]

maybe they just like playing for fun and eventually they passed the skill gap of a “trash untitled player” but they just don’t like travel and still only play for fun

[hollow rapids]

chess is moving more and more to online, and i can' tblame anyone because otb classical chess is boring as fuh

[kindred crypt]

Who has the better position?

[lean cedar]

Yeah, they can be, but most if not all of them are trying to get on a team, tryout in skirmishes, etc., because you are on the verge of getting paid to do it. That's why you suffer that high up in such a hrad skill ceiling. If you were doing it for fun, you'd already be casually fulfilled and would not be that high up. It takes effort.

[chrome quartz]

white looks good here

[cunning pelican]

maybe they still just do it for fun even after passed the skill gap needed for professional play

[autumn python]

black?

[lean cedar]

2800 in chess is amungst the top of the top, it's not like, okay, im 2300,2400 im happy, with chess. It's seriously professional elo.

Mostly everyone in that range has a title

[cunning pelican]

2800 online rapid is probably 2500 fide standard idk my guess

[lean cedar]

and those who don't are just as weird with seemingly 0 OTB experience

[burnt loom]

blacki think idk

[frail violet]

hey chat

[chrome quartz]

instead of a4 why didnt white go qh5

[lean cedar]

Yeah, that's insane!

That's Grandmaster if they have their norms

[kindred crypt]

Because white is 250 elo

[lean cedar]

But then they're like, oh im not even a CM? I've never even had a recorded fide game?

[cunning pelican]

IF they are rapid barely anyone is 2800 in rapid

[lean cedar]

Like okay. that makes sense.

[kindred crypt]

Anybody wanna play a game

[autumn python]

im down

[kindred crypt]

Im only 250 tho is that fine?

[cunning pelican]

flagging skills and speed won’t save you for the GM title

[lean cedar]

I'm sorry but it's just the truth, if it hurts you then get the title you can clearly achieve.

[autumn python]

oh ur 250? uhh we can play a round for fun?

[lean cedar]

Why wouldn't you want the title? What the hell, you can get paid, you can compete against TT players, you are respected so much in teh chess ocmmunity

[kindred crypt]

Ok whats your username

[lean cedar]

And how do you go all those years without once saying, hm, maybe ill grind SOME OTB

its just weird!

[frosty peak]

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Blitz: 332 (378 peak)
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[drowsy oak]

yo

[autumn python]

do 10 minute unrated

[cunning pelican]

the costs of that though is money travel time several hours just for a single boring positional game where you squeeze your opponent out slowly for every slow advantage for a win that’s no where near online

[quasi nova]

They could have grinded some otb but haven't gotten to the level of getting to the title yet because it takes a lot of games to reach that, you're genuinely assuming so much and complaining about it

[kindred crypt]

@autumn python im about to send the challenge

[lean cedar]

Yeah. Like I said. I understand. So if you didn't want to do all that, you would be happy at 2500. Why are you pushing to 2900? And you've obviously played chess since a little child. So not once were you able to do it?

[abstract olive]

anyone wanna play

[lean cedar]

It's called something is fishy about that

[frail violet]

im p sure to get grandmaster you need to win 3 tournaments with a gm in them as one of the requirements which can cost money

[autumn python]

i didnt get it

[kindred crypt]

I just sent it

[lean cedar]

Yes, but to get 2900 with 0 otb experience or even a cm title to show for it.. it doesnt add up

[cunning pelican]

maybe they don’t enjoy it as much I guess but I do get your point

[cunning pelican]

wrong

[bronze fern]

1. Titles cost money
2. Titles require several games over the course of a long period of time
3. Some people dont have access to fide tournaments
4. Professional chess does not pay very well, as hikaru has said countless times
5. You can play against strong, even titled, players without having a title yourself