💬〡chess-talk

[fleet dove]

Bro what

[buoyant warren]

nah

[north ocean]

let me show you an example

[fleet dove]

No I don’t need an example

[simple lark]

😭 Why bro

[pallid ice]

But both the italian, ruy lopez, caro kann, sicilian, french, modern, kings gambit r mostly theory heavy openings

[buoyant warren]

cuz peaksitting means no playing

[simple lark]

Unrated

[buoyant warren]

If u wanna play the game its bad

[pallid ice]

And this isnt even close to all

[fleet dove]

The modern is not theory heavy

[buoyant warren]

man unrated dont feel the same

[kindred crypt]

Which player would you feel more confident is strong at chess: a guy with a chessboard, a gorilla with a chessboard, or a superhero with a chessboard?

[pallid ice]

Scandi vienna, etc

[pallid ice]

True

[fleet dove]

Nor is the scandi or Vienna

[pallid ice]

Those r just openings im listing

[brave flax]

Thats clerarly Batman

And id pick him

[simple lark]

All of them

[north ocean]

so black has a bind here dont they? and its because white plays a3 yielding the tempo taking away options and making it just as likely for black

[pallid ice]

e4 most likely has more theory imo

[kindred crypt]

@simple lark lets play bullet

[fleet dove]

No it’s not a maroczy because there’s a pawn on the d file

[north ocean]

It's not an exact science, but you know what I mean - my point is that deviating a main move with something like h3 gives black much more flexibility and allows them to take on the mindset of white on move 1 with some subtle differences due to h3 being there already

[north ocean]

Yeah, but can black achieve that if white challenges it immediately?

Im not sure, actually. But I know its much more common for white to get a marcozy bind

[fleet dove]

What do you mean by this

[north ocean]

Like, how does black get a bind if white plays against it as they are given the first move

[fleet dove]

Also yes white almost always is the one with a maroczy except in some reverse Sicilian lines

[nimble arch]

btw did you actually count out each ecos to know c4 is more than e4?

[north ocean]

I always assumed its more likely for white to get this because they have the first move, and if you gave black the first move, it'd be the opposite

[brave flax]

What kind of rabbit hole is thid

[north ocean]

No I Just looked at the total at the bottom of all the opening names

[fleet dove]

I’m not even sure how this conversation came to reverse openings on the topical of theoreticality

[brave flax]

Too much man i just push pawn or counter

[young swan]

Hey guys

[brave flax]

Easy

[north ocean]

Yeah - ive heard gms say this point tho, if white plays a move like a3, c3, e3, h3, they yield black 'white' basically

Its how the reverse sicilian and the sicilian are compared

that same logic

[nimble arch]

Well, I wrote a program, and including transpostions (so e4 or c4 is played at any time), there are more e4 openings than c4 openings

[simple lark]

Hola vk

[north ocean]

did you include all the transpositions or just the english lines

[nimble arch]

with 2363 vs 1678

[young swan]

Wanted to know if anyone wants coaching lol

[nimble arch]

read the message bro, it says including transpositons

[young swan]

Js keep hopping in here cuz Dobyvatel refers students to me

[brave flax]

how many ubers you got?

[nimble arch]

as long as either c4 or e4 is in the line

[north ocean]

My bad. Wow, thats shocking. Can you send me a dm of the list - what database did you use?

[young swan]

Ty for that @small jungle

[fleet dove]

Why is that shocking

[simple lark]

???

[pallid ice]

Some e4 openings (or can transpose): italian, spanish, caro, french, scandi, modern, kg, QID, petrov, sicilian, vienna, central game, pirc, scotch, alekhine, the 1. e4 f5 gambit, four knights, etc

e4 def has more theory

[brave flax]

Alright trash

[north ocean]

I just wouldnt think 1. e4 would compromise every other move in how many choices there are

[fleet dove]

e4 has been developed for centuries before c4 was ever considered a serious opening choice

[simple lark]

https://tenor.com/view/live-battle-cats-reaction-live-reaction-gif-7992937941164848977

[nimble arch]

im using lichesses openings database which can be acess via the named files in https://github.com/lichess-org/chess-openings

[north ocean]

c4 d4 and all the flank openings which transpose from c4 - thats a ton of stuff, versus just 1. e4

[nimble arch]

ok arugument over, right?

[simple lark]

Another deadass mf

[north ocean]

sure, im just curious i wanna read the list

[nimble arch]

give me a sec, its gonna take a while to write it to a txt

[fleet dove]

Code nitpick combine lines 46/47 into one

[north ocean]

thats a ton of effort btw, you rock for doing that

[nimble arch]

that requires me to have commas and I hate those

[north ocean]

and thanks for teaching me, if theres no hidden nuances

[fleet dove]

You used commas like 5 lines up

[pallid ice]

(Its not) but still ty

[nimble arch]

I still hate those

[fleet dove]

Lol

[north ocean]

when the average person here doesnt even want to put in the effort to read a sentence, coding that is alot of work

[nimble arch]

and also its a return function

so im pretty much forced to

[north ocean]

i know ur saying it from a pov like u know coding and its easy

[pallid ice]

Or think through what he wants to say and say it correctly

[north ocean]

I get it

[north ocean]

Yes, as if youve never done that, never had a misunderstanding

[mortal lion]

idk

[pallid ice]

Its just that u said it like 5 times with such clear confidence and now u r saying ppl dont read what u say

And thats low effort

[north ocean]

well, in general, no, people dont put in effort here

and you turned that into a dig on me when it wasnt a dig at you

just like the channel mentality as a whole

[twilit dew]

who here believes in horoscopes

[pallid ice]

Thats just not true

[pallid ice]

Omg god save us all

[north ocean]

you, and like, 2-3 other people were being rational compared to the noise of what? 7-8 being irrational

or just saying WTF IS GOING ON AYAYAYAY

[grand salmon]

Not me

[polar radish]

I played some chess for the first time in awhile

[north ocean]

like Its also hard to have discussions because of the random people that come in and give their input, or just talk about what they dont know is happening. and the chat gets flooded, and it just degresses in quality. Thats always the case here.

[polar radish]

Lost first 11 games and proceeded to lock in and win a bunch (bullet)

[pallid ice]

Most ppl werent here for most of the convo and wanted to join in without having to read all the history when it can be summed up in 2 sentences, also u said that generally lazyness is true for the channel which is just not true, ppl do a ton of opening research when i ask them and answer clearly

[grand salmon]

It's the nature of discord

[north ocean]

Yea fair

[polar radish]

Are we talking about openings?

[grand salmon]

I just did that rn

[north ocean]

I appreciate those types of people, they are rare. @pallid ice

[pallid ice]

Multiple convos can go on at the sametime thats what replies and pings r for

[pallid ice]

They r the reason im here

[pallid ice]

We were

[polar radish]

I'm here for chess

Openings are so boring

[north ocean]

@pallid ice Yes but you were on the other end, you were not on the receiving end with 1 person calling you autistic, 2 people spamming wtf is going on, 3 people talking about you without @ing you, and having 2 full blown discussions with logic

Try to see the difference lol

Its not the same experience for me

[grand salmon]

I remember a few years ago when the reply feature didn't exist and you had to quote the message you wanted to reply to, which made things so messy

[polar radish]

Like 5% of my total chess study has gone to openings and I'll say I've done fine

[young swan]

Yo

[polar radish]

Yo vk

[grand salmon]

Openings shouldn't take too much of your study time anyways, no?

[young swan]

Sup

[polar radish]

Anyone can get a good rating without openings

[pallid ice]

Ok im used to being a member of fast chats and in my experience its not that hard to pay attention even if multiple convos r going on and a lot of ppl r arguing with u, but i can agree that it might not be the same for u

[young swan]

I have a tournament in 30 mins

[keen hearth]

Sacrafice the Bishop!

[north ocean]

When people pile up against you, it makes replying perfectly and keeping your composure difficult. All im tryig to say. Not arguing you.

[kindred crypt]

man you've been discussing for 1 hour straight, mind taking a break and actually doing something? don't waste time discussing with fake ficticious people on the internet.

[pallid ice]

I replied to this already

[young swan]

Nice

[pallid ice]

But ok

[north ocean]

Ya, I just read what you said and said that to further reinforce what I mean

[nimble arch]

No worries, im already developing a program dealing with ecos so im able to just reuse the code. I only needed to write about 10 unique lines

[north ocean]

Is pointing that out to me of any benefit to you?

[pallid ice]

Anyways why do u know so much opening theory?

[polar radish]

I lowkey stopped playing chess for like 2-3 weeks and now I am going to some chess club tomorrow, unsure how I'll do

[nimble arch]

ok writing it out to a file was more annoying lol

[north ocean]

chessable

[nimble arch]

took another 10 lines but now I had to make the files

[pallid ice]

What elo r u rn?

[lyric bay]

Guys my chess clubs gonna ban me if I dont win a tournament for them 😭

[north ocean]

sub 2k

[kindred crypt]

no, but it is to you, take a damn break, don't get bothered over people on the internet

[nimble arch]

@north ocean wait maybe this is the wrong thing give me a sec lol

[pallid ice]

Thats a very wide category

[fleet dove]

When people aren’t shit posting there’s a lot of serious stuff going on

[polar radish]

Win it and leave, they don't deserve you.

[north ocean]

Its not your business though. Im here doing what this channel is for, unlike what youre doing rn. We're arguing and discussing chess, not how to spend your time.

Dont tell people on the internet to go do something else lol that's very uncalled for

[kindred crypt]

alright man just keep digging a trench

[nimble arch]

nah im right, it turns out those moves are played there. Honestly some of those shouldnt even be opennigs @north ocean

[kindred crypt]

damn man i was siding with you this whole comvo, now i see why people say you're an ass

[polar radish]

What is the arguing about?

[north ocean]

Im not digging any trench. Im replying to you in a civil way.

Youre welcome to disagree

[kindred crypt]

no you aint you bein condecending and insulting

[polar radish]

😮‍💨

[north ocean]

Alright.. well.. guess Im just insulting for being honest and replying civilly.

Sorry for calling you the ***** word

[grand salmon]

Truly a constructive discussion yeah?

[pallid ice]

Stop sticking ur nose in others business when they asked u not to

[fleet dove]

This channel got my head on a swivel

[kindred crypt]

man you too, why you even arguing in the chess chat

[kindred crypt]

the hell's a swivel

[nimble arch]

only constructive when im there 🙂

[pallid ice]

We r talking abt chess?

[polar radish]

Isn't this a public chat if you have business to discuss do it somewhere else, right or no?

[kindred crypt]

go get a damn room or go to a private chat to discuss stuff you don want people gettin into

[grand salmon]

I will not comment on this

[north ocean]

Yeah I enjoy those discussions

[fleet dove]

Bro’s telling people to log off when he needs to go school

[kindred crypt]

what the castle guy said

[polar radish]

Haha yes

[north ocean]

Thank you

[kindred crypt]

man it's 9PM

[polar radish]

I can tell you're a g

[north ocean]

You can still side with me, are you upset that I told you that how I spend my time isnt your business? Because it isnt. Sorry for saying that?

[patent patrol]

Can I argue too yall

[kindred crypt]

as in guy or as in gangster

[pallid ice]

It is a public chat, but repeatedly telling someone to go do something else when they told u they dont care abt ur opinion is harassment

[fleet dove]

Where does bro live brazil

[polar radish]

gay

[kindred crypt]

argentina

[patent patrol]

Don’t even catch me up tell me a side and ill oppose it immediately

[pallid ice]

Its mostly over

[fleet dove]

DALE PIVE

[kindred crypt]

nah fam go eat a lime

[grand salmon]

There is no side

[polar radish]

I just kidding lol 😂

[kindred crypt]

pibe is written with a b

[fleet dove]

ya se boludo

[polar radish]

G means like your cool

[pallid ice]

The question was which has more theory 1.e4 or 1.c4

[kindred crypt]

bobo

[kindred crypt]

'know fam, just jokin

[fleet dove]

Look who’s being condescending now

[grand salmon]

e4 by far what are we talking about

[polar radish]

e4

[kindred crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/messi-angry-messi-qatar-worldcup-que-miras-bobo-messi-abd-nimit-gif-abd-nit-gif-27229655

[north ocean]

You all need to learn that something can be said without it being a direct attack on you. Like, I dont have to be your enemy because I am being honest about a reply.

[kindred crypt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1067506104180944916/1153475340761583626/ezgif-1-727e887a33.gif

[north ocean]

If I call you names, this is entirely different

[pallid ice]

The argument for c4 was that it transposes to a lot of d4 lines

[fleet dove]

lcdtm

[kindred crypt]

lcqtrphdugpylcdth

[polar radish]

What language is that?

[fleet dove]

🤝

[kindred crypt]

spanish (argentina)

[north ocean]

I wasnt arguing that, thats just a fact. The claim was that c4 and all of its transposition had more theory than e4

[kindred crypt]

:peacesimbolhand

[mint adder]

@tranquil basin classical tournament today can you help?

[grand salmon]

I would argue that e4 will still have more theory, even if you consider that

[patent patrol]

L mindset

[north ocean]

Well, apparently it does, according to the program the guy wrote.

Im gonna believe it, if he used the lichess api opening explorer.

[patent patrol]

E4 but im sure an equally infinite amount of positions can occur

[pallid ice]

And if i only say this then the comparison sounds pointless and stupid which they did thought cus they replied e4 immediately, so i have to show them why its not so obvious to u who made the claim

[fleet dove]

Bro come on it should be common sense

[pallid ice]

e4 was crowned winner by statistics

[north ocean]

But e4 doesnt transpose to as much as c4 does, thats why I was shocked. e4 just has more bulk to it because the replies apparently have more depth to them. It's probably alot to do with e4 being the most played move for history.

[polar radish]

I think of ruy lopez, italian, scotch, caro-kann, and so much more like e4 has a lot to it

[fleet dove]

That’s literally what I said 20 minutes ago

[pallid ice]

U should ask for help a month before

[fleet dove]

Holy shit

[north ocean]

Thats why It wasnt common sense to me

[polar radish]

Honestly why does it matter

[north ocean]

You say "It should be common sense" And I reply with why I didnt think it was common sense. Why are you putting your voice out there if you dont want anyone to input?

[pallid ice]

Yea thats why it was so obvious to us, cuz a lot of e4 openings r deep and there is a lot of them too, even if we consider c4 transpositions

[north ocean]

Well, I doubt anyone knew it was the number his program spit out

[pallid ice]

Sicilian

[polar radish]

a4 is pretty complicated

[pallid ice]

Why would i know? Its just the logical answer using my knowledge

[north ocean]

How can it be obvious how many lines are in all of c4 and their transpositions? I doubt anyone here knows more than 2 openings for each side as main theory, and thats being generous. So to know all of c4 and e4 and transpositions isnt very obvious.

[young swan]

[patent patrol]

Guys it’s chess there are so many possibilities bru

[pallid ice]

Ofc i dont know exact numbers

[grand salmon]

Is it more complicated than h4 tho? I heard it transposes to a lot of e4 openings

[patent patrol]

What does it matter enough for u to spend the last 4 hours arguing on discord for

There r millions of outcomes

[faint kite]

Anyone down to 1v1 and vc

[polar radish]

Right, should've said h4 I was just tryna think of something stupid but I think you're right

[fleet dove]

You got it bro

[north ocean]

4 hours is a stretch, and to answer your question, this matters just as much (what ur replying to me about)

[north ocean]

Huh?

[patent patrol]

I’ve done something and come back to see u arguing here still

[north ocean]

Its good to know the real answer

[patent patrol]

Went for dinner

[high gorge]

It says in your bio you're less then 500 elo, I hope that isn't true 😭

[prime palm]

Cant vc down for a few blitz games tho 😄

[north ocean]

Yeah I think youre confusing what im saying. I didnt say u spent all ur time here reading what I was saying.

[faint kite]

Suree

Add my dc

[patent patrol]

I think it’s just infinite and it’s too much energy spent arguing with ppl who’s opinions never change

[pallid ice]

4 hour long dinner?

[north ocean]

yes, it does say that thank you

[patent patrol]

Chess players are geeks bro they would rather die before admitting they are wrong

[polar radish]

Not wrong

[patent patrol]

Ask yo momma how it went boy

[north ocean]

no, i admitted it earlier twice actually

[grand salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/how-bro-felt-after-writing-that-how-bro-felt-alpha-wolf-alpha-alpha-meme-gif-307456636039877895

[north ocean]

yes that is true

[pallid ice]

This isnt tuff 😭

[high gorge]

In my opinion you should be 2000,

[polar radish]

Its tuff

I was the mom

[north ocean]

i like ur opinion

[pallid ice]

R ur tactics bad? Clearly the problem isnt with openings

[north ocean]

middlegame plan finding

its my biggest weakness

[fleet dove]

this is an unfounded opinion

[north ocean]

bones you just say stuff to get under peoples skin, its not cool lol

can we just stick to the facts

[grand salmon]

Bro did not read the "discussion" above

[polar radish]

🤦

[fleet dove]

no I complimented you on your opening knowledge earlier already

[azure pivot]

Fill me in

[fleet dove]

I'm just saying you don't talk like a 2000

[north ocean]

you said him thinking i should be 2k is unfounded

[fleet dove]

yes

[north ocean]

i.e no1 else thinks that

[polar radish]

2k is bad

[north ocean]

Or am i misunderstanding

[pallid ice]

Idk what elo u r but by not blundering anything u can get to like 1200+ cus in most of ur games ur opponents will blunder a piece atleast eventually and then u just convert

[high gorge]

if someone is talking about transposing lines of C4 They should be rated higher then 500

[azure pivot]

I mean how does a 2000 talk😭

[grand salmon]

I think it's an alt

[fleet dove]

not good either lmfao

[raven sinew]

Actually hate people who dont give draws after obvious misclicks in equal positions

[polar radish]

Like me

[north ocean]

well considering there's 50 million elo points which are refunded by fair play monthly, saying u can get to high elo just by doing puzzles is a bit of an oversimplification

[azure pivot]

Your 2k rapid 1.8k blitz your not a real 2k

[high gorge]

I agree with you, But a Win is A Win, No matter how you got your hands on it.

[north ocean]

divided 50 million elo by ur avg gain/loss per game, and see how many games that is where ur not going against a fair match

[polar radish]

Probably

[fleet dove]

bro needs the win or else his family will die in a horrific car crash

[pallid ice]

I didnt even mention puzzles, and u said ppl dont put in the effort to read things

[cold kite]

ehats up kiddos

[raven sinew]

I have enough integrity that I dont value a win that comes from a misclick because I realize it isnt indicative of skill

[grand salmon]

Does anyone even do that?

[raven sinew]

Theres actually no way this dude is still yapping in here

[north ocean]

well, that type of mindset. just tactics, just this. it's much more than that

[cold kite]

Hi peole

[raven sinew]

I always give draws

[polar radish]

What's considered a "real 2k"

[raven sinew]

Anything not bullet and not lichess

[polar radish]

One whom is 2k in more then on format?

[azure pivot]

2k blitz

Rapid is far too inflated

[polar radish]

Bruh

[north ocean]

Again, I knew what u weer saying but i repeated it in the way I understood it, and then i calrfieid when u said u meant it strictly 1 way. these are called misunderstandings

[fleet dove]

anyone below 2k are filthy casuals who are bad at the game and should quit and anyone above 2k are filthy tryhards who have no life and should quit

[grand salmon]

I would do that as well, but others seem to just seek their own good

[pallid ice]

Its really not, even at my level 60% of games r decided by who blunders a piece or crucial pawn first

[high gorge]

Lose - Lose situation

[azure pivot]

Technically all chess games are decided by who blunders first

[raven sinew]

You should start doing it

[polar radish]

Eh I consider myself a real 2k so 🤷‍♂️

[grand salmon]

Not all of them

[polar radish]

I identify as 2500 blitz so 🤷‍♂️

[fleet dove]

hold your horses buddy you're only 2025

[high gorge]

I don't think I'll ever reach 2000 with my 1400 opponents playing like an engine

[pallid ice]

But the blunders r usually 1 move captures and its easy to find and at high level its less of a blunder harder to find and harder to convert

[north ocean]

Yes I hear you, its likely primarily tactics. Im just sharing my input and pov

[grand salmon]

Some are just draws

[azure pivot]

[polar radish]

Yeah but I feel bad for my opponents so I usually let them win, if I wasn't so handsome and humble I would probably be 2200

[raven sinew]

Chess is decided by who blunders last

[azure pivot]

Still decided by who blundered first, as no one did it was a draw

[fleet dove]

damn you right

[pallid ice]

Its 1 move captures most of the times, no need for puzzle training, the harder part is the conversion and u not blundering

[grand salmon]

ehhhhhhhhhh

[north ocean]

So like missing a hanging knight can take you from 1.6-2k

[polar radish]

Nah I blundered last and they resigned because they though I played a winning move

[polar radish]

Mostly

[pallid ice]

?

[cold kite]

yay I got 5 elo from stalemating abhigher player

[azure pivot]

Idk I don’t agree with that

[pallid ice]

Missing?

[azure pivot]

2ks still blunder a lot as well but the positional chess has improved a lot

[polar radish]

I kinda do a lot of people sub 2000 blunder a lot

[north ocean]

Well you said 1 move captures

Is that what you meant? Missing a hanging piece?

[grand salmon]

This sentence does not ever begin to make sense

[polar radish]

Hot take

Chess is a 7/10 game

[fleet dove]

bro's got the whole chat with question marks above their head

[azure pivot]

And above 2k

[north ocean]

I am just asking for clarification on 1 move captures if he meants missing a blundered piece

Its not that deep

[polar radish]

Sure

[cold kite]

that pfp looks like my poop when I was 5 no offense

[grand salmon]

Then say that

[azure pivot]

I blunder/make a serious mistake at least twice per game, that’s a lot

[north ocean]

I did

[pallid ice]

If u DONT blunder and u convert after the opponent blundered a piece to a 1 move capture u can go to like 1500 elo, just beacuse till that level ppl blunder a lot of one move captures and forks

[polar radish]

I never make mistakes

Never blundered

[grand salmon]

That's why I lost a couple million brain cells trying to understand what you meant

[azure pivot]

Your him

[acoustic elm]

Anyone here around 2000 and plays the english?

[polar radish]

Basically

[azure pivot]

I would have to lose elo to reach your level bro

[north ocean]

What do you mean by convert after the opponent blundered a piece to a 1 move capture?

[polar radish]

Whose

[pallid ice]

(I still dont understand what he meant by missing a hanging piece increases ur elo)

[azure pivot]

Yours

[fleet dove]

hi

[north ocean]

.. guess I didn't say missing a hanging piece

[polar radish]

Wow maybe that's how elo works

[grand salmon]

Then what

[azure pivot]

💀

[acoustic elm]

I'm trying to prep a line against the english for a tournament

[polar radish]

🤫

[azure pivot]

Ok 1.8k blitz

[polar radish]

I don't play as much as you

[fleet dove]

what line

[north ocean]

Thats literally what I asked him as clarification for, then you said 'then say that' and I showed you I did say exactly that

[azure pivot]

Nah your just worse

[polar radish]

I have a life

[acoustic elm]

I'm prepping the Halibut Gambit, b5 after c4

I just want a little practice and simulation

[grand salmon]

Bro you literally said missing hanging pieces will improve your rating

[fleet dove]

wtf is this

[acoustic elm]

Its a gambit line but its not terrible

[grand salmon]

And now just cut that shit in half

[north ocean]

I assumed you said that you can get to high rating by simply seeing when a free piece can be taken, versus sitautions like this being missed and it costing you teh game.

[azure pivot]

Nah

[pallid ice]

The opponent blunders a piece (this happens a lot and some of it is after 3 move tactics but most of it is by a 1 move capture below 1500)->u see the move that captures their knight->u payed attention to all of ur moves so u didnt blunder so far->u convert to a endgame where u have the material advantage they blundered->u win

[polar radish]

Nah

[fleet dove]

the engine gives +0.9 that seems quite terrible to me

what is the goal, to get an accelerated benko ?

[pallid ice]

U can get to 1500 (not 2k) by not blundering so ur opponent blunders first, u can just wait for it

[grand salmon]

Your opponent is not the engine

[acoustic elm]

The goal is to get the opponent out of prep

[polar radish]

Accelerated kings pawn

[honest copper]

hello

[polar radish]

Goodbye

[acoustic elm]

Im playing an older guy who's around 2000 uscf but he doesn't know offbeat openings and if i get him low on time i typically do quite good

[north ocean]

Imo, basing things on th the difference of plus or minus 1 centipawn isnt the best way to analyze. The level you have to be to punish opening nuances, even Hikaru says this all the time, is at least 2600. He made it a point to say that guys who are 2600 cannot punishing opening subtleties in the same way a 2800 can

[fleet dove]

they are not, no, but the engine can often be a great indication for what side has easier play

[acoustic elm]

plus 0.9 isnt even that bad

[fleet dove]

ok thank you einstein

[acoustic elm]

just lmk if you can help

[trail wharf]

why people at chess.com plays WAY better than at lichess? On Chess.com I am 550 and people usually plays very well, while in Lichess I am 900 elo and people play dumb moves all the time

[north ocean]

If you dont want other people to give feedback, you can DM it to the person you want to hear.

[acoustic elm]

i dont need a full game, just want to practice the opening rather than just scroll through engine lines

[honest copper]

nice

[fleet dove]

I'm not sure how much help I would be quite frankly

[trail wharf]

I win at 900 elo lichess constantly

[azure pivot]

Rating inflation

[fleet dove]

given that I've never faced b5 in my life

[honest copper]

0.9 is winning

[acoustic elm]

thats kind of the point

[trail wharf]

what does that mean? More people plays on Chess.com?

[acoustic elm]

he never faces b5 either i want to see what they would play

[north ocean]

I get it now.

[pallid ice]

Accelerated benko is just a free pawn with no validation, i think thats not hard to maintain

[acoustic elm]

i'm just testing waters and seeing how an english player would react

[grand salmon]

On gambits it's usually the opposite, until the gambiting side has a clear advantage

[honest copper]

so basically play like the engine 👍

[pallid ice]

Or punish

[fleet dove]

ermm

[azure pivot]

Lichess players start at a higher provisional rating and have a different rating system I think

[fleet dove]

I know, that's why I said often

[pallid ice]

Basically dont blunder ur pieces in one move

[north ocean]

Thats fair. If the opening is actually illogical, I was just referring to basing the logic of it around the engine saying 0.9 and thinking thats the end all be all

[honest copper]

if you guys wanna play out of theory then js play some weird gambit

[honest copper]

aka play good moves

[pallid ice]

Yea but there was context

[pallid ice]

No, aka dont play terrible moves

[north ocean]

I understand. I was bringing up a sepearte point. A separate but related point about analysis, as its something alot of people get lost in.

[grand salmon]

Bro is probably reading the chat rn just saying

[fleet dove]

doubtful

[acoustic elm]

Well if you want to help just lmk

[honest copper]

not terrible moves is like good or excellent moves

[fleet dove]

what tc

[limpid sleet]

@kindred crypt plz any last wishes? Starting at 9 am its 6 am rn.

[honest copper]

b5 is good 👍🏼👍

[fleet dove]

b5 is bad 👎

[acoustic elm]

golly

[grand salmon]

b5 is probably ass

[pallid ice]

A terrible move is hanging a knight for free

[prime palm]

Kings indian then transpose to improved benko in some lines:D

[acoustic elm]

the plan is c4 b5 cxb5 then a6

[fleet dove]

yea a6 I think would be the only way to justify the play

[honest copper]

so what wld a not terrible move be

[acoustic elm]

im about to lose my mind

[pallid ice]

Not hanging a piece?

[grand salmon]

I would look for something similar on chessable there is no way no one has made a small course on it

[honest copper]

I play 1. Na3

[north ocean]

paragraph warning only read if u care ||I think as long as you're within 1.5 plus or minus out of the opening you still have plenty of room to turn things around. 0.0 to 1.0 is pretty meaningless, 1.5 is approaching a bad position but still very playable, and anything more is likely too much of a blunder to recover from unless the opponent blunders themselves. Flat engine analysis number isnt productive to focus on though because you wont know this in real games. It's a good skill to practice w/o the engine, but making a conclusion that 1.1 = good, and 0.3 = terrible isnt the idea of plans in chess.||

[honest copper]

yes but that would be like good or excellent on chess.com engine

[acoustic elm]

I should try that, thanks

[pallid ice]

Not necessarily it can be a bad move

[honest copper]

1.5???

[azure pivot]

✍️

[pallid ice]

Just not free material

[grand salmon]

+1.5 is borderline winning

[honest copper]

eh maybe

[north ocean]

yes 1.5 is a bad position approaching the non-recoverable mark, for black

but its still turn-aroundable

[honest copper]

maybe like 1.1 at most

[azure pivot]

I kinda agree that’s like triple muzio territory where is black does not know theory for is just gg

[crude solstice]

I saw so many 800 trying their best to play like fish

[north ocean]

this isnt even true at magnus' level, and it depends on the time control

its hard to say an exact number, but definitely not 100 centipawn

[fleet dove]

I think this thought process is more accurate when the position is more complex, such as many benoni/benko/KID positions. On move 1 though it's just flat out bad

[grand salmon]

+1.0 is a position that white is usually comfortable and black is struggling to make moves(due to lack of space or king safety)

[kindred crypt]

last wishes? where am i going?

[honest copper]

why are we calculating in lichess centipawns

[north ocean]

yes you have a very good point here

[pallid ice]

Cus dude wants to sound smart

[honest copper]

ig u can try to turn around but at 1.1 you can still play around normally

trust

[grand salmon]

Of course, you cannot have an accurate grasp of the position by just that number

[north ocean]

well, honestly, black starts between 0.0 and 0.6 on move 1 right? So 0.4 isnt that crazy

unless white plays something abysmal like g4

[pallid ice]

Hikaru got beaten from a4 e5 Ra3 Bxa3 opening which is like -2.9

[honest copper]

yeah cuz he’s trolling

[grand salmon]

0.4 certainly is not crazy
1.0 is getting in the crazy realm

[frosty peak]

<:profile:1016802308278976642> powercatfly

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Rapid: 1810 (peak)
Blitz: 1353 (peak)
Bullet: 1643 (peak)

[pallid ice]

Danya got beaten from this repeatedly

[honest copper]

is danya still 3k tho

[frosty peak]

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<:Rated:1016802315937775657> Ratings

Rapid: 1470 (peak)
Blitz: 1355 (peak)
Bullet: 1443 (peak)

[grand salmon]

The guy who was cheating?

[north ocean]

yes, when ur looking at an engine, and an eval bar. you probably come to that conclusion. but even at 2800, hikaru isnt always able to win if he gets +1.0 or more. its not as stone cold as people make it out to be, because humans dont have access to stockfish

[pallid ice]

Danya is a GM

[honest copper]

hikarus way better than danya

[pallid ice]

Most likely wasnt

[pallid ice]

Yes ik?

[severe crystal]

who is even comparing k\hikaru to danya

[honest copper]

yea so it’d be normal for danya to lose more

[harsh depot]

does anyone argue with that 😭

[grand salmon]

#💬〡chess-talk message

[high gorge]

Most obvious statement ever

[north ocean]

huh? yes it is chess talk lol was this directed at someone else

[limpid sleet]

last wishes for me 💀 because otb is gonna start at 9 am and its 6 am. So either wish me or gimme tipz

[harsh depot]

😭

[pallid ice]

But the argument was if 1.1 was losing at gm level, im saying that -2.9 had a positive score against a gm

[high gorge]

Gobble every free piece you see

[grand salmon]

It's a link to a message that I sent

[north ocean]

ohhhh im derp

[limpid sleet]

idk what last wishes means...

[honest copper]

eh

a4 is a scary opening 🤷‍♂️

[kindred crypt]

play confidently! win your games

[north ocean]

ok yes 100% glad u agree

[limpid sleet]

i think its the wishes that we give to a dead person? RIP?

[honest copper]

and also in blitz anything can happen

[high gorge]

In Magnus Arsenal,

[limpid sleet]

🥰🥺😉

[pallid ice]

I think most ppl here never played otb

[honest copper]

good luck how are you doing

[pallid ice]

Ofc in otb thats dead lost

[cold kite]

sone nhi he tumko

[honest copper]

yeah facts

[north ocean]

i saw on a youtube thread last night ppl thought hikaru wasnt one of the best of all time. Guy is #10 highest rated fide player in the history of chess, #2 to magnus in the past 10 years and beaten every world champion to live.. def sucks

[grand salmon]

Otb can also be blitz or rapid btw

[limpid sleet]

im doing great unity :) today i have a rapid rated otb hehe

[cold kite]

good luck kiddo

[inland abyss]

wait unity returned

[fleet dove]

hikaru isn't even top 20 all time

[pallid ice]

He was never close to magnus

[limpid sleet]

nah bruh i woke up! Its 6 am something rn. i woke up at 5 am...

[cold kite]

bruh magnus sucks

[north ocean]

he is, its on wiki. search classical fide ranking history. hikaru is #10, and hes #2 in fide on their official website rn

[honest copper]

crazy

[fleet dove]

im not talking about rating

[pallid ice]

Ik but usually ppl refer to classical with it

[north ocean]

its peak ratings @fleet dove

[harsh depot]

2/10 ragebait

[cold kite]

L

[north ocean]

oh ok @fleet dove

[fleet dove]

I'm talking about actual greatness

[limpid sleet]

did he leave before?

[pallid ice]

Hikaru himself literally said the ratings r wrong

[cold kite]

but lowkey he never fails his majestic mewing streak

[grand salmon]

Exactly
He hasn't beaten me once

[cold kite]

real

[north ocean]

greatness isnt measured by highest peak overall and highest rating in the recent 10 years against all the sgms?

[inland abyss]

he got banned for cheating

[cold kite]

the bot is ass

[north ocean]

thats a pretty fair metric imo

[harsh depot]

who are your top 20?

[limpid sleet]

what the 💀 real??

[north ocean]

oh what are they

[limpid sleet]

share screenshot or send his username i will see

[grand salmon]

Lmao

[pallid ice]

? What is what?

[fleet dove]

no because rating has naturally gone up over time. I think someone like smyslov is over hikaru despite having nowhere near his peak rating

[north ocean]

the real top 10

[limpid sleet]

im on mobile's chrome discord so its very hard to chat

[grand salmon]

Just download discord 🥀

[pallid ice]

Why would i know?

[limpid sleet]

wow soo unemployment

[cold kite]

damn he should teach me howntoncheat in 30 sec ultrabullet games

[grand salmon]

(Or leave the server while you still can)

[dusk stag]

Guys

[north ocean]

yea ik about that, and computers play a big role in the discussion too. but when looking at both overall history peak and fide classical in the past 10 years, hikaru being #10 and #2 is pretty good for a greatest of all time

[cold kite]

newbie

[dusk stag]

Am I goated or what

[cold kite]

pc is goated

[limpid sleet]

its not my mobile 😶‍🌫️

[acoustic elm]

1. c4 b5 $2 2. cxb5 a6 3. e3 axb5 4. Qb3 $2 c6 5. f4 $2 Nf6 6. Nc3 e6 $6 7. a4 $2 Bb7 8.
   Qc2 Be7 9. Be2 $6 d5 10. b3 Nbd7 $2 11. Bb2 c5 $2 12. axb5 $4 Rxa1+ $1 13. Bxa1 d4 $1 14.
   exd4 cxd4 15. Bf3 $6 Bxf3 16. Nxf3 dxc3 17. f5 cxd2+ 18. Qxd2 Qa8 19. Qc3 O-O 20.
   fxe6 Qe4+ 21. Kd1 fxe6 22. Rf1 Nc5 23. Rg1 Rd8+ 24. Nd4 Nxb3 $3 25. Qxb3 Rxd4+
2. Bxd4 Qxd4+ 27. Ke2 Qxg1 28. Qxe6+ Kf8 29. Qf5 Qc5 30. Qxc5 Bxc5 31. Kd3 Ke7
3. Kc2 Kd6 33. Kd2 Nd5 34. b6 Bxb6 35. g4 Ke5 36. h3 g5 37. Kc2 Kd4 38. Kb2 Bc5
4. Ka2 $6 Kc3 40. Ka1 Kb3 41. Kb1 Be3 42. Ka1 Nc3 43. h4 Nb5 44. hxg5 Na3 45. g6
   Bd4# 0-1

[cold kite]

horrible

[acoustic elm]

halibut

[grand salmon]

Might as well pack it up

[north ocean]

oh idk you just said they were wrong - didnt know if u had an official list

[fleet dove]

hell nah

[limpid sleet]

oki

[dusk stag]

Nah bcs I checkmated him w a pawn

[cold kite]

not rare

[harsh depot]

sigma

[cold kite]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[acoustic elm]

Finished with bishop and knight mate

[harsh depot]

sybau

[pallid ice]

It wasnt me who said it it was hikaru

[cold kite]

sybau

[dusk stag]

Sybaunyal

[grand salmon]

What is this

[north ocean]

yes, are you disagreeing with him?

[limpid sleet]

vhat what does sybau means? Plz tell

[harsh depot]

you're not tuff

[cold kite]

ikr

[pallid ice]

And obviously the ratings arent a clear metric of ones capabilities

[grand salmon]

sybau 🥀

[prime palm]

1...b5 is an alpha move

[acoustic elm]

halibut gambit

[cold kite]

real

[limpid sleet]

Meaning plz

[harsh depot]

sybau

[honest copper]

you should checkmate with king instead of pawn

[dusk stag]

Ban

[honest copper]

i agree

[inland abyss]

Ask him I don't remember

[dusk stag]

idk abt that one

[pallid ice]

Yes, at high levels there arent enough tournaments and high rated players to farm

[limpid sleet]

unity u were banned from cc?

[honest copper]

kg7##

[north ocean]

if u agree, then by extension you believe theyre wrong too.. but if u dont agree /w what hikaru said, then that'd be something different. you dont have to be this pedantic ((unless u truly dont understand what Im asking then its fine @pallid ice

[honest copper]

who’s unity bro

[cold kite]

slay your balls all ultra

[limpid sleet]

The fk i forgot u are a chess coach

[pallid ice]

Idk

[honest copper]

what

[limpid sleet]

i thought ur name was unity

[honest copper]

i am a coach

[limpid sleet]

...

What was ur old name

[honest copper]

my name is not unity 💀🙏

[pallid ice]

@north ocean

[limpid sleet]

ur old user

[cold kite]

bros jealous because there there better coach

[honest copper]

it isn’t

[pallid ice]

L cheater

[north ocean]

isnt this an issue for all of them at that elo though the top 10 atleast

[honest copper]

lmao

[limpid sleet]

i forgot that im the one who is using unitys logo or pfp 💀

[dusk stag]

That doesn’t work tho.

[cold kite]

L

[north ocean]

like, hasnt that always been an issue for the top 0.001% no matter what top 10 we're referring to? In kasparovs reign or magnus'

2838 will have a hard time becoming 2839 if nobody is 2838+

[cold kite]

kasparov

[pallid ice]

No its an issue for those whose rating isnt correct, if u could farm high rated bots anytime magnus would have been way ahead of #2 at his peak

[limpid sleet]

ye u are right @inland abyss unitys banned from cc.

he wasn't a gud player ngl

[honest copper]

me

[north ocean]

gary kasparov?

[limpid sleet]

i mean not very very gud but he was a great player

[harsh depot]

nah id win

ong

[cold kite]

No one is good at chess tbh

[inland abyss]

He is like you bro

[harsh depot]

me

[honest copper]

nuh uh

[limpid sleet]

True

[cold kite]

no

[pallid ice]

What? If u r 2837 and a 2838 beats u he gains elo?

[cold kite]

i will tell you why

[limpid sleet]

am I gud?

[north ocean]

well yes but how is this different from the #2 player in 1980 who couldnt progress elo because of the #1 being capped

[limpid sleet]

even I ain't gud

[dusk stag]

Is this supposed to be philosophical

[inland abyss]

Nah got banned for cheating earlier

[limpid sleet]

oh

hes a type of person who beefs with everyone

[pallid ice]

Not necessarily because maybe the #2 player is fairly rated

[dusk stag]

It didn’t reply for some reason but is this supposed to be philosophical or sum shi

[limpid sleet]

-_- he had a beef w me also

[north ocean]

A 2838 will have a hard time gaining elo, if nobody is 2838 or above. -- is what was said

[limpid sleet]

just becuz i pinged mods when he was abusing me eeeeew

[pallid ice]

He wont tho

[harsh depot]

ya i cant gain elo at 2000000000000000000000000000, it hurts being at the top

[north ocean]

isnt that magnus problem rn? @pallid ice

[pallid ice]

I mean if u mean it in a way that it will take long then yes

[honest copper]

when are yall gonna come to an agreement

[north ocean]

lol

[azure pivot]

It’s chess talk cmon now

[north ocean]

When its not a discussion channel

[inland abyss]

Yeah I know you are are not one these insta CMs but still massive fall off

[grand salmon]

What's that?

[azure pivot]

Down for another b6 blitz game

[honest copper]

sure nrn tho

dm me later

[limpid sleet]

coach bro do u know gng means

[limpid sleet]

and sybau meaning

[honest copper]

yeah why

[north ocean]

I dont know what ur trying to say but it probably makes sense, its just hard to follow. It's irrelevant anyway let's talk about actual chess if you want

[limpid sleet]

If yes plz tell

cuz idk

[harsh depot]

top 10 best or top 10 greatest?

[honest copper]

how old are u bro

[cold kite]

no

[limpid sleet]

Im 14

[honest copper]

14?

crazy

[pallid ice]

?

[limpid sleet]

how do u know 💀

[honest copper]

what’s his rating

[azure pivot]

Grow up

[pallid ice]

Top 10 of all time, i think thats quite clear

[limpid sleet]

u also know my personal infos like unity? Eew

[north ocean]

well, according to peak fide rankings in the history of chess he is(but you said theyre wrong) - so if theyre right, then yes. if theyre wrong, then no

[honest copper]

js a guess

[harsh depot]

aight

[grand salmon]

Does not surprise me tbh

[azure pivot]

How you 14 in 2025

[cold kite]

siga sigma boy

[harsh depot]

someone's 15

[cold kite]

im also 14

[grand salmon]

Bro was 10 years old during the lockdown

[azure pivot]

Bit older

[limpid sleet]

noice so can u tell me their meanings if incase someone will use theseterms in my chess tournament

[honest copper]

i’m okay

[prime palm]

Chess used to be a old man's game 🙃

[limpid sleet]

being younger than couting brilliants in big wild 2025 is crazy gng

[north ocean]

how many of you would remove computers/engines from chses if u could press a magic button?

[honest copper]

huh

[inland abyss]

He is like 2000 fide

[honest copper]

how is he cm bro

[azure pivot]

I would

[pallid ice]

Im trying to say that maybe hikaru is top 10 by fide cuz all the WCs before couldnt gain elo because of how elo works so their strength wasnt fairly represented in their elo (they play at 3000 elo level but because of how elo changes work he is 2500) but hikaru is fairly rated as he is rn, but if the ratings would be correct they would overtake hikaru

[limpid sleet]

2.2k - CM??

[grand salmon]

I wouldn't

[limpid sleet]

OR THERES NORMS

[azure pivot]

Used to be 2.2k

[inland abyss]

He was 2200 before but went to China tournaments bro

[grand salmon]

Seems way easier to improve with the advancement of engines

[honest copper]

how does he drop sm that’s crazy 🥀

[north ocean]

Ah. Now this makes sense. I see, yes, this is a logical take. I dont know how much it contributes. But I can see that being a big factor.

[limpid sleet]

Coach bro whats ur title goal? Im or Gm

[grand salmon]

And it certainly increases the overall skill level of humans

[azure pivot]

Hikaru would mop the floor with all the old school world champs he’s better then them🥱

[honest copper]

idk rn bro

i’ve been hard stuck 2200 for 4 years 💀

[limpid sleet]

oh

[north ocean]

kramnik almost prevented magnus from ever being famous - it was 1 game from ruining everything - and magnus still lost, but he won overall bc the tournament favored the result even though kramnik punished him

[limpid sleet]

u arw also a cm?

[honest copper]

no i don’t have cm

[pallid ice]

Yea

[honest copper]

i’m not gonna buy it

[limpid sleet]

Oh

[azure pivot]

How much is cm lmao

[limpid sleet]

buying it? Tff its not arena fide titles

[honest copper]

p sure it’s like

[grand salmon]

Kramnik before seeing the report button on chess.com would destroy hikaru

[honest copper]

50+ euros

[cold kite]

i just faced racism

[azure pivot]

Bruh that’s light

[limpid sleet]

50 euro for Cm? Tf

[honest copper]

why wld i get it

[cold kite]

whats cm

[pallid ice]

He won because kramnik played agressive and lost, both of them lost in the last round, if kramnik would have played for a draw he would have won

[inland abyss]

He already has NM tho so it matters way way less

[north ocean]

before kramnik went cheater gattlingun he was actually one of the most revered players in history

[prime palm]

2200 sounds mightier than cm anyway 💪

[cold kite]

cantidate master?

[limpid sleet]

chief minister

[north ocean]

magnus still respects kramnik greatly afaik

[azure pivot]

Yeah that’s what I was gonna say, for a normal person like me tho I’m snatching that up

[pallid ice]

Thats why i said peak kramnik

[cold kite]

oh

[azure pivot]

50 euro is like 2 hours of work

[cold kite]

femboy chessplayer goated

[honest copper]

u need 2200 fide asw

[north ocean]

I thought that magnus lost, and the next game he needed to win, and didnt, but because ivanchuk(or someone else) didnt get the expected result for magnus' loss to matter, magnus ended up coming ahead. Something like this. I watched the video, but forget the exact details.

[azure pivot]

Ik

[pallid ice]

Femboy?

[cold kite]

Lol joke

he looks like girl

[tall hinge]

Where

[azure pivot]

Australia

[tall hinge]

More like 6 hours

[north ocean]

Whoever was known as the 'god killer' in chess. Was it ivanchuk? Someone else.. idk

[inland abyss]

Will you get FM when you can

[north ocean]

There's way too much chess History lol

[cold kite]

bro realized

[pallid ice]

Magnus was tied with kramnik but due to tiebreaker rules he would have won if they had ended with equal scores thats why in the last round where magnus was with white he played aggressively against his opponent to win the tournament 100% because the draw was uncertain, but he lost because of a mistake, on the adjacent board kramnik played with black also for a win beacuse he thought magnus gets atleast a draw and then he needs a win but he also lost to similar reasons, even tho he looked at magnus’ game the position was unclear and it seemed like its a draw atleast so he played dangerously and lost too

[honest copper]

yea

[kindred crypt]

when IM norm number 1

[north ocean]

I remember now bc of this, thank you for explaining it out

[north ocean]

Lol you agree?

[cold kite]

yep a lot

let me type em

[north ocean]

Its cool but alot of it happened when we didnt exist and its like well

its not as impactful but still interesting

[sand fiber]

pretty cool checkmate personally

[north ocean]

Wish we knew more of fischer when he was sane and at his peak

[cold kite]

Bobby Fischer changed chess WDYM not impacted lmao

bro roasted standard chess so hard

[north ocean]

yes thats not what I mean like, magnus and kasparov today versus fischer if he were still alive

its just a different vibe

[cold kite]

real

[north ocean]

magnus and kasparov are very active, we know everything about them, kasparov still coaches and commentates, etc., fischer was a mystery and a bit unhinged

[cold kite]

fiaxher is. Hot

fischer

[sand fiber]

W HA

[prime palm]

Tyler1 #1 oat

[sand fiber]

screenshoted

[cold kite]

so is gukesh

[north ocean]

fischer was good looking he turned into a crazy old hobo with a beard ranting about how engines killed us all

[cold kite]

Exactly

gukesh is hot

[north ocean]

he has a point tho

[waxen wraith]

fischer went off the grid or something

[north ocean]

even if he did go crazy over it

[cold kite]

bro lowkey all 5 top GMs look hot

[north ocean]

ya i think he was in trouble with the law lol

or international law

[waxen wraith]

hahaha

[north ocean]

smthn like that

[waxen wraith]

he always had been

[cold kite]

why is Bobby not on the list

[north ocean]

judit is the hottest top gm

[cold kite]

on cc bots

[north ocean]

probably for his controversy

[cold kite]

im not gay but like yeah

[north ocean]

saying women belong in the kitchen etc

[waxen wraith]

almost all wgms are babes as well

[prime palm]

Played match in spite of embargo or something

[north ocean]

they didnt wanna assosciate with that (i assume)

[cold kite]

wtf he said that

[grand salmon]

Bro took that back after a while tho

[cold kite]

frkin kitchen looksblike the chessboard

[north ocean]

not exactly but he did say women werent smart enough or better than men at chess and he took the mysogny back

he mightve said the kithen thing

[cold kite]

ewi hate bobby

[obtuse bison]

no, he said women cant cook

[grand salmon]

There was a clip

[north ocean]

ya something related

[patent patrol]

😭

[cold kite]

im offended

[patent patrol]

Bobby Fischer just said women made awful chess players

[cold kite]

wtf

ykw Bobby is ugly

[patent patrol]

Because he thought they weren’t as smart because it was the 1960s

[north ocean]

ya thats insane tbh judit proved him wrong and they knew eachother apparently well

[waxen wraith]

this is hilarious

[patent patrol]

He probably thought really highly of Judit

[cold kite]

magnus 🥰

[north ocean]

judit is the only female to ever win magnus otb afaik

[patent patrol]

The argument on his interview was women make worse chess players on average

[waxen wraith]

don’t speak french

bonjour

[north ocean]

ya u could tell he was a bit sexist back then tho he rlly thought they sucked at chess

[cold kite]

yeah true

[north ocean]

glad he took it back

[obtuse bison]

https://tenor.com/view/not-a-sigma-sorry-you-are-not-a-sigma-sorry-you're-not-a-sigma-you-aren't-a-sigma-you-are-not-sigma-gif-337838532227751572

[patent patrol]

Yea im saying directly that he is sexist

But it was the 60s as well where stuff like that was just not that bad to say at the time

[north ocean]

idk if it was straight up sexism tho or lack of evidence

[obtuse bison]

it was the 1960s, who wasnt sexist back then 💀

[north ocean]

cause no females did break chess at the time until Judit

[patent patrol]

Bruh everyone was sexist back then in America

[cold kite]

yeah

[north ocean]

true

[frozen tapir]

Sorry, i stop talk here

[obtuse bison]

comparing a 17 year old's opinion from the 1960s to today's standard is crazy

[north ocean]

even in the early 00's ppl still talked like that

[prime palm]

To be fair Bobby thought everyone sucked at chess

[waxen wraith]

sexism was kind of cute back then because women couldn’t stand up to it yet

[obtuse bison]

https://tenor.com/view/pawel-paweł-teclaf-chess-blunder-gif-26624212

[cold kite]

bro felt like magnus

guys I know why magnus rages

[north ocean]

omg stop

[frosty peak]

<:profile:1016802308278976642> CM Jesse Zafirakos (icy)

This is the Chess.com profile of icy. Take a look!

<:endgames:1016772673965137962> Information

Name: CM Jesse Zafirakos (icy)
Title: Candidate Master
Premium Member: True
Moderator or Staff: False
Streamer: False

<:Rated:1016802315937775657> Ratings

Rapid: 2486 (peak)
Blitz: 2650 (2666 peak)
Bullet: 3207 (peak)

[tired bane]

hi

[obtuse bison]

https://tenor.com/view/gothamchess-stare-gothamchess-intro-chess-gif-10514209028749423815

[north ocean]

thats too dark humor for here lol @waxen wraith

[distant pelican]

Chat, is this real?

[waxen wraith]

this guy also has standing issues

[cold kite]

dont deport me 😟

[tired bane]

LMAO

[obtuse bison]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-angry-speaking-head-tuco-squidward-gif-13808874276609302886

[tired bane]

haven’t heard that one before

[magic shard]

hi jeeza

[sand fiber]

i thought that said "sexism was cute black guy"

[tired bane]

hi dor

[north ocean]

are CMs really 3200? Jesus christ, is it impossible to progress in titled chess these days?

That is some tough competition

[cold kite]

no bro I actually thought you were the ic

[magic shard]

no we're all bad

[obtuse bison]

https://tenor.com/view/vibe-cool-marv-bobbing-meme-gif-4485741296844126562

[unreal steppe]

wait guys are alt accounts that play rated games allowed?

[tired bane]

it’s all about aura

[cold kite]

bro thats so cringe

[obtuse bison]

ur banned forever

[north ocean]

If a CM is 3200 in bullet and 2666 in blitz, how in gods name do you ever progress in classical chess against ppl who are +800 CM in OTB classical

[unreal steppe]

are they though?

someone in the vc has one so idk

[tired bane]

wdym +800

[waxen wraith]

does magnus ever tilt

[north ocean]

Like the top sgms

[obtuse bison]

https://tenor.com/view/home-alone-kevin-ts-ts-pmo-juggtok-gif-90223375947349643

[mortal bronze]

yes, but you have to take permission from chess.com

[waxen wraith]

200 more elo

[unreal steppe]

yeah if he loses he tilts bad

but if he wins he doesn’t go up much

[tired bane]

how is that related to a cm playing blitz or bullet

[north ocean]

for gm I guess yeah and norms

[unreal steppe]

wdym take permission??

[waxen wraith]

not that kind of tilt

[obtuse bison]

top sigmas?

[waxen wraith]

wait really

[unreal steppe]

wdym 😭

[mortal bronze]

i am not sure about the whole process either. ask a mod

[cold kite]

what is gulping on

[unreal steppe]

yeah

[north ocean]

Because the scale, think about ur otb fide versus someone like hikaru, and then u being 3200 in bullet, and hikaru being +800 in otb classical but being around there in bullet too. It's just a skewed thing

It makes me believe that ranking up is impossible otb in classical

[obtuse bison]

never explain anything else ever

[tired bane]

i’m 500 points overrated in bullet and 150 underrated in classical if that changes something

[unreal steppe]

wait isn’t there a channel for that

[waxen wraith]

is it the higher rated the more elo drop offs

[unreal steppe]

like asking about chess com support? ion see it

[tired bane]

so the scale of classical+500= bullet makes sense there

[unreal steppe]

yeah you drop more the higher elo you have

and gain less

[waxen wraith]

insane

[magic shard]

if you want to be good at bullet then you have to stop being a 🐌 🫵

[unreal steppe]

like rn i gain about 7-9 if I win and lose 10 if I lose

[distant pelican]

Now I'm lost.

[waxen wraith]

i think I’m still 8/8

[prime palm]

C6?

[unreal steppe]

i’m at 30k rn

[north ocean]

Okay, so you have two ratios, OTB Classical Rating to Online Bullet Rating. You then make a fraction, 1:1. The CM is 2000OTB:3200Bullet. Then you get a ratio. This is 0.6:1. Now, do this for hikaru, 2800OTB:3200Bullet. You get a ratio of 0.875:1. In a perfect world, these wouldnt be so far apart because your classical chess skill will translate to how much you know, you just get faster and better at it in bullet.

[tired bane]

ratings can’t be compared as ratios, only rating differences

[north ocean]

Its almost like, theres no difference between someone of hikarus caliber in otb classical and a cm in otb classical when it comes to bullet, youd expect there to be a much larger gap.

[tired bane]

glicko/elo treats the difference between 400-800 the same as 2400-2800

[obtuse bison]

aint reading allat

[distant pelican]

Okay, nevermind. I'm stupid.

[north ocean]

I know. But the gap is what im talking about. Shouldnt someone of hikarus level be much better than a cm at bullet if his classical fide rating is so much higher?

SGMs always say that your understanding of slow chess is priority before getting high in bullet

[magic shard]

That's not how it works bruh

When you're fast you're fast

[tired bane]

he is much better, i got to 3200 by putting up 100 win streaks against slow 2600s in 10 second games

[north ocean]

Oh ok. I thought he was around 3200 bullet which it says u are too

[tired bane]

lol

[prime palm]

3200 bullet?

[magic shard]

It's only close because chess.com makes ultrabullet bullet rated

[tired bane]

my 1 min bullet level is like 2700-2750

[north ocean]

if u use the profile cmd it says 3200

3207

[tired bane]

yes

[north ocean]

is hikaru near that or no

[tired bane]

yes

[north ocean]

so my point lies there

Youd expect someone with 1k elo of more classical knowledge to translate that experience to bullet

but apparently it doesnt matter

[tired bane]

it doesn’t matter for the rating

it matters for the strength

[north ocean]

I just always thought how good u were at slower chess directly translated to faster chess, given u practice faster chess alot

[tired bane]

his level is 600 points above mine in bullet, his rating is not 600 points higher though because the system is very goofy

[north ocean]

oh

I understand

[tired bane]

if we played a 1 min bullet match he’d be the favourite to win 20 before i win a single game

lol

[pallid ice]

Np

[north ocean]

That's kindof whack tho

considering ur nearly the same mmr

[tired bane]

of course

[pallid ice]

Its cus custom tc exists

[north ocean]

Can I ask how hes so much better if ur able to survive at that high of an elo

[tired bane]

obviously 10 second games shouldn’t be rated the same as 60 sec games

[tired bane]

because i watch 2600s play 1 min chess and challenge them to 10 sec after

none of these players log on to play 10 sec chess and most have never played it before lol

[pallid ice]

And 0|0.1 shouldnt exist idk why its even possible to set decimals as bonus time

[north ocean]

so you specialize in it

[tired bane]

yes

[north ocean]

do you think if you were 2800 classical ur bullet would stay 3200

[tired bane]

cc removed it then added it back so uh yeah

[tired bane]

if i were 2800 classical i wouldn’t need to play 10sec to maintain 3200 now would i lmao

[north ocean]

ah i see

so its kindof cheesing a bit?

[pallid ice]

Not just a bit

[tired bane]

lol

[pallid ice]

But its not icys fault tho

[tired bane]

i have work now bye

[pallid ice]

Bye

[north ocean]

lol bye ty for the clarification

[pallid ice]

They should either delete 10s chess or make a different rating for it

[unreal steppe]

wtf can someone have 3 accounts 💀

[pallid ice]

I was told only 2 according to cc rules

[unreal steppe]

so you can have 2 alt accounts

are we fr

[pallid ice]

No 1 main and 1 alt

[unreal steppe]

yeah ok

[pallid ice]

1+1=2 👍🏻

[prime palm]

Who cares if they don't ch

[unreal steppe]

dms rq

[crude solstice]

So many people cares apparently

[kind cipher]

#1384246450363433053

[north ocean]

cheeser mindset

fair play is beeping!

nah im jk lol

[crude solstice]

People here will snitch 0.01 seconds if u have 2+ acc just for the sake of snitching

[prime palm]

Only people who need 3 accounts are pros anyway

[crude solstice]

They loves pinging them blue name

[north ocean]

chess has a cheating epidemic, i could care less about that. i just pray one day that there arent millions of cheater games per month

[crude solstice]

If they're cheaters, then u snitch ofc

[north ocean]

well. having extra accounts is not worth snitching for

using an engine during a match is

[crude solstice]

Yes

[prime palm]

Cheating ≠ 2 accounts

[crude solstice]

Like, touch some grass. Why do you care so much

[cyan kraken]

Hello i have one question but im french
But im bad in english
Someone talk with me in french for my question ?

[north ocean]

umm u can google translate then put it here

then translate it back, unless someone is fluent in french

[pallid ice]

Lets be homest here how many cheaters do u face a week?

I faced like 2 maximum in 1k games

[north ocean]

dont think anyone knows

[prime palm]

Who knows at the end of the day

[pallid ice]

Its highly improbable

[north ocean]

but you can get a rough guess from data tracked by players, refunded elo points on a personal level, and the stats fair play publish. There's 55,000,000 average elo refunded per month. Divide that by average elo gain or loss. Thats how many games youre likely to encounter a cheater.

[pallid ice]

If they cheat and i dont notice then that means the engine they used wasnt that strong and i had a chance to win

I dont think im below 2k because of cheaters

💀

[north ocean]

I dont think u should conflate being bad w a cheater cheating. Thats not what im saying. But you cant deny how rampant cheating is in chess online

[pallid ice]

There was like 1 guy last week who found every move but that was rapid and not impossible moves

[north ocean]

Its gotten better

But still a long way to go

[cyan kraken]

In fact, I never play in ranked and I am ranked 235 elo but I have played a lot in unranked to progress and I easily beat 500/600 elo, if I come to play in ranked again, will I be banned from my account?

@north ocean