Sleep Token - Caramel

[frank forge]

https://open.spotify.com/track/3AdXwuFn7j21HNiFMXvZXt?si=6802cee37d7241bc

[warm bridge]

Holy groove

[brave hound]

Goes live at midnight apparently

Put the coffee on

[frank forge]

yep it is

[lament drum]

Final part hit a bit offguard

However overall its more basic and pop-esque than first single

Its alright but nothing mindblowing for me atm

[warm bridge]

Lyrics are a direct callout to the shitty fans lmao

[frank forge]

the final part of the song

FUCKING HELL YES

[brave hound]

Good song. Reel em in and hit em with it

[pseudo sparrow]

hot take: this is their worst song to date (except for the last minute)

[rigid comet]

havent listened yet, but goddamn

thats a statement lmao

[ebon barn]

Fun track

I like it

Not their best tho

[warm bridge]

This isnnot worse than dywtylm

[sour folio]

sleep token proved me wrong what the fuck

every new song I hear from this band I've always said "surely it can't get worse, it's only up from here"

it can get worse....

[unkempt fern]

I'll find that out soon enough when I listen to this song tonight

[dull tide]

Eh

This was not it

Not anywhere near some of their worst but

Not great

[rigid comet]

you're in the server dawg💀

[undone breach]

OMG THAT WAS SO GOOD IDK WHAT YALL SPEAKING BOUT

[dull tide]

Nah this is ass

[undone breach]

Imo that was great

Agree to disagree

[dull tide]

it’s not are you really okay or dywtylm level ass but it is not good

[undone breach]

To each their own I suppose! I like those songs aswell

[unkempt fern]

Not terrible tbh

[brisk prairie]

It turns up the verses in Emergence and the HEAVY PART THIS IS EVERYTHING

11/10

[normal ether]

Well holy fuck

[dull pine]

6/10 for me

The previous single is better

[hot holly]

Hey guys…. Uh we fucked up…. Vess ain’t mad at sleep anymore… he’s mad at us

[slim sage]

yeah the song is not bad but i prefer Emergence so far

[dull pine]

https://tenor.com/view/handshake-arthur-read-francine-alice-frensky-agree-shake-on-it-gif-19405532

[hot holly]

The more I listen to sleep token, I kinda feel like they took influence from Anberlin with the way the chord progression is in some of their songs

Maybe that’s just me being an Anberlin geek tho

[dull tide]

I had nothin to do with that

but him being mad at the audience led to a mid track so go back to being mad at the deity

[hot holly]

I’m more so talking about the psychotic people that think they’re entitled to just discover the identities of those who wish to remain anonymous

It’s the whole fucking thing that Ghost had to go thru when they were conceptualized

[dull tide]

Such is fame

[near vault]

Ok but the DRUMMING

[icy anvil]

atp after this song I will not even be surprised if Vessel will collab with babymetal 😭

or have a single collab to begin with

bro's experimenting with everything in his will

[dull tide]

Yeah and this time it sadly didn’t pay off

[icy anvil]

tbh I prefer the other big release (from me to u) but carmel is also good

[dull tide]

The whole first half is like, unlistenably cringe

[icy anvil]

first sleep token upset?

[dull tide]

Nah they always have a few mid songs on every album

Tmbte has like 3 mid/bad songs

So i’m not surprised

[icy anvil]

they could've had more story telling and rigorous wordings in the lyrics icl

[dull tide]

it’s not even the lyrics it’s the song itself

[icy anvil]

the pop sounds 😭

I ain't listening to charlie puth am I

[dull tide]

i don’t come to sleep token to listen to jamaican lofi

[icy anvil]

lmfao

[dull tide]

like sorry but no

The rapping was also much better on both emergence and every tmbte track with it

[icy anvil]

maybe it's there for experimental reasons so it maybe hit a top 50 by targetting the top 50's audience, and we're not meant to be the audience for this song

[odd matrix]

not huge on this one, but i like it a bit more than emergence

then again ive never been a huge sleep token guy

[dull tide]

my only concern is that the album has only 10 tracks

So if 3-4 tracks are like this

That’s a 3rd of the album that’s skippable

[odd matrix]

their albums always have like 2 bangers then the rest are just songs i couldn’t care about

[dull tide]

And emergence isn’t like, amazing either

It’s good but

every album before it has better tracks

Like if there’s no alkaline/higher/vore tier single

I will be legit worried

[icy anvil]

next album is probably their last and last song shall be called Euclid 2.0

[dull tide]

Doubt

They’ll be doing this for 20 years

[devout heath]

this one is so emotional and vunerable

i love it

[dull tide]

…it is?

that’s def not how i felt

[devout heath]

probably one of their best songs

[dull tide]

it felt like corny reggae pop song

[devout heath]

but i should probably admit i had one too many drinks

[dull tide]

You do this every fuckin time

[devout heath]

im drunk leave me aloneeee

but the lyrics get me

i love the lyrics

[icy anvil]

tbh
sundowning had 8 good songs and I somehow include bloodsport into it
This place will become your tomb had only 3 good songs (Atlantic, Alkaline, and Hypnosis)
TMBTE was 80% decent, with the exception of a couple or three songs
if we take the average mean bad songs, there should be another bad song and the rest is a blast

[dull tide]

The lyrics are fine

The instrumental fuckin sucks

[dull tide]

The tomb shade is crazy

[devout heath]

i love the instrumental

thats one of the reasons i love it

especially the beginning

[dull tide]

Tomb aint the best album but 3/12 good is diabolical

[icy anvil]

mod gotta make a new discussion form for the new babymetal x poppy there's a lot about that too

[dull tide]

?

It exists tho

[icy anvil]

o

can't see

[slim sage]

why mods? y'all can make topics by yourself

[icy anvil]

oh

[devout heath]

such a good song oh my god

the more i listen the more im obsesseed

i couldnt get that much behind emergence, but THIS, this is amazing

[eager barn]

Please someone give Vessel a hug 😭

He and the rest of the boys deserve all the love. They deserve their privacy

And if I see someone IRL saying they support this invasion of their privacy, I'mma crash tf out

[icy anvil]

apparently the sword is meant to be Damocles

which's a reference to some ancient greek story

https://www.reddit.com/r/SleepToken/comments/1jr38xu/comment/mlbng41/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Vessel is such nerd ahhh

[white hollow]

this is alot less boring then the last single

the autotune rap is quite atrocious but i can deal with it

[quick turtle]

This is the distrack of all time

[sour folio]

yeah cause I fucking made it bro 😭

back in 2018

when the band was wildly different to the pop band we ended up w

[dull pine]

Tfw some masked men merge mid quality reggae with mid quality metal that doesn't even transition well

Not to mention Carl Bown decided to shit all over Vessel's vocals with autotune

[sour folio]

I had to wheel up that transition to the "breakdown" because it was so sudden and didnt fucking work in the slightest 😭

[dull pine]

It's like someone took an old tape cassette and accidentally recorded a different song in the middle of another song

[sour folio]

LOL basically

[dull pine]

I would take Vessel's raw vocal track and hand it over to George Lever (who co produced Sundowning and Tomb) to see what he can do with it

Carl Bown seems to have gone senile. He ruined While She Sleeps last year with these weird genre mix transitions thingy and now it's sleep token

[sour folio]

nah Carl has always been questionable at best

[dull pine]

He did a great job with You are we and so what

Even with Sleeps Society you could see the song writing carried the album

He also did BFMV, and the production was clearly the worst part of that album - a 2000s core album produced to sound like some pissedcore band

[sour folio]

tbh I just don't like the fact metalcore is now pop with guitar

bring back glassjaw worship bands

[unborn stratus]

So stick to me, stick to me like caramel
Walk beside me till you feel nothing as well
Falling free of the final parallel
The sweetest dreams are bitter, but there's no one left to tell

[dull pine]

Nah there are still enough bands doing proper riffcore

[unborn stratus]

I disagree but I respect the opinion

[dull pine]

The last minute is a different song that got accidentally attached here

[dull pine]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-homer-simpson-simpsons-worst-day-of-your-life-so-far-bart-gif-11689059539835963602

[opaque scroll]

Yeah..... I'm starting to think this album might turn out to be the point where I exit the Sleep Token train

I will admit that Emergence grew on me, but it's still like a mid tier Eden song at best, and Eden is already their worst album to date

And now this?

Last 1-2 minutes are really good

But what the fuck is that reggae stuff in the beginning?

Dont know if that's Carl Brown's influence, or the band itself, but this aint it. It's less about them trying this either, but more about the manner in which they do it. It feels like there's this preconception of Sleep Token being the progressive/ambient metal band that experiments with other styles that got to them and now they force these influences in, whether they work or not

[brave solar]

good morning i just listened and im crying

[dull pine]

The only reason I'm speculating it's Bown is because this also happened to while she sleeps' new album where there are ideas from other genres that never sit well or integrate into the song. Maybe it's just a coincidence that he's producing both. Not sure.

[strange basalt]

eden is their worst album to date?

you are capping bro

💔

eden is fucking fire

idk i fw it

tho not a fan of caramel

but emergence was fire

i dig it

[strange basalt]

i love the story of damocles

trivium also got a song based on it

''like a sword over damocles''

absolute fucking fire

[sturdy ocean]

one of their weaker songs imo

[eager swallow]

ngl

they got me in the first half

cant go wrong with a huge breakdown like that

[zinc harness]

did nic react to the song in the stream ?

[opaque scroll]

It's good but like....lightyears behind Sundowning and especially Tomb, lest for a few songs

[dull tide]

Eden worst album is just wrong

But i agree with the rest

[snow cloud]

I like the song, it's very different from the usual, but it'll probably grow on me (not nearly as much as emergence though, that still is toty so far). Last few minutes still best

[timber hazel]

Ending was cool

First part gonna need to grow on me cuz it didn't do anything for me

[rigid comet]

ima be honest I like this it's very sundowning

[twin imp]

Interesting song, emergence is better but I love the chunky stuff

[rigid comet]

everyone's hating on it because like "Oh noooo pop😰 😰 😰 😰 😢 😢 " cmon guys this AINT new

what do you expect

[dull tide]

That’s… not why at all

[rigid comet]

then why tf

[dull tide]

it’s the cringe ass reggae beat mixed with awful lyrics for me

i love sleep token but this song was really bad

[rigid comet]

lyrics calling out fans goes hard for me imo

[dull tide]

when artists do that it’s usually written in a really cringe way

Even if i agree with their callout

And the people the song is dissing don’t even realize they’re the ones being dissed

So it’s not even working

Seeing red and heavy metal at least made it very clear

[snow cloud]

Still better song than like that though

[dull tide]

No

No it’s not

It’s a better song than are you really okay and dywtylm by like, a small margin

[snow cloud]

Dywtylm goated

[sour folio]

heavy metal also uses the reggae influences infinitely better

especially with a don like Rahzel on it

[dull tide]

I mean i really dislike that song too but

Ig so

[sour folio]

it's a top 5 off amo for me

[dull tide]

Yeah but

[sour folio]

whole album besides the dani filth collab is heaters tho

[dull tide]

To me amo has like

3 good songs at best

[sour folio]

damn

I'd say it's the best post TIAH project from bmth tbh

[dull tide]

It’s by far their worst album imo

[sour folio]

survival horror has its moments but also the yungblud song is so fucking horrible

[dull tide]

I even prefer music to listen to

[sour folio]

nex gen is just metalcoreclownboy state of the scene metalcore twitter slop

[dull tide]

Yeah but it still has like 6-7 great tracks which is more than 3

[sour folio]

yeah and they were all singles that got shoehorned onto the final release

[dull tide]

No

[sour folio]

we gotta bring back non album singles ngl, dying art

[dull tide]

The best song on the album was not a single

[sour folio]

but anyway new st is just not it in every regard

the "heavy" part isn't even that good

shit hits like a wet noodle

[dull tide]

Best track on nex gen is rip imo

[timber hazel]

True

[spare idol]

I don't want to be a hater but this song is actually atrocious 😭

I had no expectations and I'm still disappointed

[tranquil flicker]

No expectations but still disappointed is crazy

[flint brook]

yall trippin 😿

[tranquil flicker]

That's like wanting a refund for a free game

It's literally all I've been listening to all day

Maybe I just thought about it for too long but it sounds like how I'd imagine caramel to sound lmao

[flint brook]

real lol

[dull tide]

I mean i had expectations but they were def not met

This is def the are you really okay/aquia regia/dywtylm tier of the album

[flint brook]

its sleep token

nah auqa regia is really good

im just a rlly big sleep token fan 😿

ur opinions ofc

[tranquil flicker]

Are You Really Okay made me cry imma be honest

[dull tide]

So am i but all their albums have a few stinkers

[flint brook]

the blast beats were unexpected and i loved it

[dull tide]

it’s a song i will skip every time i revisit tmbte

[tranquil flicker]

Also I agree that DYWTYLM is like the worst sleep token song

[flint brook]

real

[dull tide]

I was abt to say are you really okay is their worst but dywtylm is def up there

[flint brook]

imo tho my fave sleep token songs anyways are probably ascensionism, like that, vore, and take me back to eden

[dull tide]

I just pray that this album has 1 vore on it

[tranquil flicker]

I definitely get why, and tbh I skip it too, but mainly because I don't wanna fucking cry

[flint brook]

real

[dull tide]

I agree except like that

Alkaline and atlantic are def the best tomb tracks

[tranquil flicker]

Vore would be the best song if it was released by any other band, but for sleep token, it's still good but not as amazing as some of they're other work

[dull tide]

And higher is also fantastic on sundowning

[dull tide]

There’s close contenders but vore is their best song

[flint brook]

i love vore

i love blackgaze and this song is one of the songs that got me into that genre

[tranquil flicker]

Underrated ST song

[dull tide]

Any other band implies sleep token is the best band ever tho, which is def not true lol

[tranquil flicker]

Alot of other bands

[dull tide]

I legit have a st tattoo but they have way too many song misses for me to call them the best

[tranquil flicker]

Sleep token is definitely atleast Top 10 imo

[dull tide]

Including this one, this was a big miss for me

[flint brook]

and the song heavy is the head that falls with a thousand thoughts by loatge

loathe*

[dull tide]

One of the best songs ever and somehow not the best song on that album

[flint brook]

YES DUDE

i love the intro

blackgaze is my fave genre probably

[spare idol]

I also dont think they do enough new for them to be in a greatest of all time convo

[flint brook]

def check out the song Melancholy by Corps Fleur

[tranquil flicker]

I like loathe but I don't love that song tbh

[dull tide]

Top 2 loathe tracks easy

[flint brook]

literally one of my fave songs ever

[dull tide]

New faces wins tho

[flint brook]

real

[dull tide]

New faces is top 5 tracks all time

[tranquil flicker]

I haven't had a favourite song for so long

[flint brook]

me either i jus say that for every song i can actually listen to all the way

[dull tide]

I mean my current fav lately is bloodyhell by cvlte

Released on tuesday

Def the best song released in a while

[tranquil flicker]

Literally just like anything by Vildhjarta could be up there for mr

Unless it's off of Måsstaden Under Vatten

Hot take I know

[dull tide]

I have beef with sweden i can’t glaze them

[tranquil flicker]

Tf the Swedes do to you

[dull tide]

Oh boy

That’s a long story spanning 2 thousand years

We have beefed since time immemorial

[sour folio]

I get favourite songs p often ngl

but I also listen to a lot of music and make sure I'm mostly checking out music I know I'll enjoy

the last like month for me has been nothing but Crippling Alcoholism

best album of last year easily

[dull tide]

Time to go to rehab then

[dull tide]

Last year is either fallingwithscissors, jpegmafia or diamond construct for me

I honestly cant decide

[spare idol]

envy for me but also I'm biased bc they're literally the greatest band from my country

[shut plaza]

emergence is better in my opinion

[quaint widget]

Feel like I'm in the minority saying I like this song better than emergence. Was hooked immediately when first listening to it

[opaque scroll]

Vore has me like

[dull tide]

Fr

[opaque scroll]

Wrong gif

[dull tide]

Absolute masterpiece

[opaque scroll]

But like please sir

May I have some more?

[unkempt fern]

I mean... this song isn't even that bad

I'd say like.... 6 or a 7

It's shit we've already heard before from the band

[sweet canopy]

yeah that was pretty good

[dull pine]

Sleep token caramel was something....😐 (i luv it)

I'm scared of the new album this Acadia album is gonna be WAY DIFFERENT THAN the tmbte😂

[cerulean flicker]

I think I like Caramel more than Emergence as well. I didn't love the rap part in that just because it felt like they were leaning on that as a gimmick

Higher still best ST song imo

[night jungle]

HOLY SHIT WHY IS THIS SO GOOD

Everything between the bunta beat and Vore style breakdown was sick

I'm actually glad I waited after work to listen to it properly without distractions

I was deadass walking in the street with a mile wide smile like a moron lmao

[sour folio]

tbh I think ST have been doing this since Eden

I mean even here the reggaeton beat just comes and goes and doesn't really fit well lmao

or the trap beat on tmbte

or the ending of the summoning

it feels like 2 or 3 songs stitched together without much care a lot of the time

[night jungle]

I kinda dig it tho, that's basically their whole schtick

Put together a bunch of different styles in one song/album

I mean I might be at a point where I'd probably like anything they put out (tho it's not like I love every single song to death) so I'm biased but I loved this

[unkempt fern]

A lot of what Sleep Token did on that album, many bands have done better when it comes to genre switching. I think that whole minute of a noise wall just makes it sound like shit and out of place. Only there to get that new "genre" switch

It's why that song sucks to me

Once you get to that noise wall, the song shits itself

The only other song like this that ST did was The Apparition... which is funny because that exact same song was done on their previous album

[night jungle]

If you're referring to The Summoning then I kinda agree, I think the 1-2 minute break in between wasn't that necessary, they could've switched the vibe more organically

[unkempt fern]

Exactly

Like if they just cut out that half of the song... the song would be better imo

[night jungle]

This one I can't agree tho, it's literally my favourite song out of their entire catalogue

[unkempt fern]

But they did that so it's overplayed because people only listen to that song for that one part alone

[unkempt fern]

That's how it is for me

That's one of my favorite ST songs

[night jungle]

Oh

[unkempt fern]

but it's been done already

on their previous album

[night jungle]

Then I guess I didn't get it

[night jungle]

I think my problem is that the transition was just way too long

[unkempt fern]

It literally is

[night jungle]

It makes the song too long

And you get a long ass break for what

I mean the jazz part at the end was cool

I just didn't like how we get to it

[unkempt fern]

They should've just made that part an interlude... or better yet... that last segment it's own song

And expand on it

I know damn well they did it so people click with it as reactions for that one song

[night jungle]

In that sense Ascensionism and TMBTE are better songs imo

[unkempt fern]

and it worked

[night jungle]

I mean you think they expected to blow up on tiktok or something? I kinda doubt it

They sure did it as a gimmick but I don't think they were ready to go and headline tours a year later

[unkempt fern]

A lot of their earlier stuff sounds similar, but this is where they did more sound experimentation

[night jungle]

Id argue they still do

[unkempt fern]

Because that part of the song is competely out of place and the transition to get there is not good at all.

[night jungle]

And this is one of the experiments

[cerulean flicker]

Yeah, I guess what I'm trying to say is that it felt like they did so much of that on tmbte that I feel kinda meh about it. It was a cool thing on that album imo but I don't want all of their music to be like that.

[night jungle]

Imo they kinda nailed it here, this song has everything and it's surprisingly catchy

[unkempt fern]

My problem with TMBTE is that the entire album was super overhyped and overrated

There were a few stinker songs, a few mid songs and some great songs

[night jungle]

Unlike most their songs that are just vibe

[unkempt fern]

But many treated it like the second coming of music

It really isnt...

[night jungle]

To each their own, I wouldn't put that label on them but I loved it

Hell, I wouldn't be here talking about them if I didn't xd

[unkempt fern]

I liked the album for what it was... but It wasn't extraordinary in any means

I see many say it's like a 10...

I gave it like a 6 or 7

[cerulean flicker]

I love that album especially because it resonated with me during a really hard time in my life, but I think if I didn't have that connection I'd like it a bit less

[night jungle]

I'd give it a personal 9 or so but I'm not the kinda guy to put on a whole ass album and listen to the entire thing from start to finish

Especially with how long it is

[unkempt fern]

I mean... I don't pick and choose favorite songs and hold biased on the whole album

I listen when I can and take breaks when I can

But I still rate it the same

[night jungle]

But if I were to take each song separately then I think I only didn't like DYWTYLM and Are you really okay, the rest were nice

[unkempt fern]

But mainly I play the albums in the background

[cerulean flicker]

These are my least favorite as well. I've also started liking Granite a lot less as it's aged 🫥

[night jungle]

I'm the type of dood that just puts everything he listens to in a few hundred song playlist and puts that shit on shuffle lmao

[cerulean flicker]

Saaaame lol

And then spend 5 minutes hitting "next" while driving

[night jungle]

I send people Granite when I wanna introduce ST to them a lot of the time

It's not their best song but I feel like it captures them pretty well without being 8 minutes long

So I can send it and be like "just listen to it from start to finish"

[cerulean flicker]

TNDNBTG is my usual intro to them since it was my first song of theirs and it works as the beginning of the trilogy as well

[night jungle]

Admittedly those are mostly non metalheads, so I always try to get their reaction on "the plot twist" lmao

[sour folio]

that's also fair

tbh ive always seen st as blurring the lines, I mean I got into them from a post-rock background because their first 2 eps just sounded like a very djenty Mogwai

but I just want them to cut out the complete 180s tonally lmao

if I'm sending anyone anything ST it's almost always Higher or Thread The Needle tbh

[spare idol]

maybe just me but I feel like the fanbase around Eden also made me not like that album as much

wayyyy too many horny people lol

same w/ deftones, I feel like those 2 bands now r just summed up to haha lol sex music instead of actually being viewed like they should

[distant seal]

icl, every new ST song I feel like I’m 50/50 on at this point, like both this and Emergence at least have aspects I love, and aspects I don’t like at all, I think overall I prefer this over Emergence but yeah, very mixed thoughts on how this album’s going to be. Appreciate the lyrics a lot though

(Should clarify this definitely isn’t a “everything should be metal😡😡” thing, some things just work for me, some don’t)

[warm bridge]

New shot of vessel

Glad to see him kinda smiling

[strange basalt]

aqua regia one of my favs from them ngl

really dig the jazzy stuff from there

[strange basalt]

wonder whats his skin condition like after always wearing that much paint lmfao

[warm bridge]

he has a skin condition?

[ancient prism]

cool song

[normal ether]

So I like this song quite a bit, great chorus

I actually feel that this song could’ve done with being like 6/7 minutes and build to the heavy a bit better

But I still dig it

[strong rose]

Vessel wants me to eat? Lol

[cerulean flicker]

he's just looking out for your health, friend

[white hollow]

If the first half was shorter this would be peak

Still alot better length then the first single

[strange basalt]

Nah i mean like hows it faring with all that paint lmao

[snow cloud]

where vessel backshots

[warm bridge]

Find God

[opaque scroll]

Arcadia is probably gonna be the album that divides the fandom, if these singles are anything to go by - the whole "new era" shtick they've done seems more true than I would've thought

[snow cloud]

||https://twitter.com/SOTSPodcast/status/1778143757654773822||

[snow crest]

I'll be honest, this song isn't their best but lyrically it pretty much sounds like a message to the fans of Sleep Token and a message towards the shitty ones as well and I love it when bands communicate to their community through their music. Sometimes it isn't about how good a song is for me but the message it's sending. Not trying to be edgy or sound "deep" just something I figured I'd mention it as someone who enjoys a wide array of music.

Still at the end of the day I haven't heard anything like Sleep Token and it's refreshing. They have their own sound.

However, I have to agree, Caramel doesn't get stuck in my head quite the way Emergence does.

[night jungle]

For me it's the other way around

Maybe it's the bunta beat or just being dancy/catchy in a way, idk

[cerulean flicker]

I was watching Chase Carneson's reaction video and I think him & his wife had a good take along these lines - that this is a love letter to their fans. it's harsh, but love is harsh sometimes.

I thought it was a really good perspective on the lyrics

[spare idol]

idk if I'm tweaking here or not but the drums on this song r like. easily the worst out of any song they've done

like they're rough from a production standpoint imho, but so are the drums on Eden, but what's actually being played just makes no sense to me (as a drummer) lol

it's very showoff-y and not rly contributing to the song

also the transition into the metal part is so stupidly abrupt that it just sounds funny to me and my friends 😭

[crude walrus]

I get the message behind the song is deep and all that shit but this song ain’t it not a fan

[quick turtle]

The wonders of differing opinions, this new one is my favorite lmao. along with Ascensionism/ The Offering

[devout heath]

This probably is one of my favorite sleep token songs. The only criticism I have is that the metal part feels very very unnatural

It’s still good, but it’s like there was no build up to it

[cerulean flicker]

Yeah, I enjoy the metal part but it does feel kind of out of place in the context of the song

Though it does fit with the "shut up weird nerds" message

[spare idol]

yeah no there straight up wasn't

[glad summit]

it's a weaker song but i get that they are saying in the lyrics to take a step back and let them be more private

[sour folio]

i love how everyone is like "yeah but who cares about lyrics the music sucks" about hardcore and similar styles but when it comes to sleep token mfs be like "yeah the music sucks but zomg the lyrical prowess of the white eminem (vessel) is SOOOO good 😍"

[snow cloud]

honestly i hope they even lean harder into it and just do more genres. gimme sleep token breakcore into electro swing with a dnb breakdown

[cerulean flicker]

I'm here for breakcore dnb sleep token

[forest light]

Read the lyrics, sad in some parts
Read people's reactions, half and half
Can't wait to be disappointed this May

[dull pine]

white eminem 😂

I think there are 3 kinds of people for this song:

1. OMG Sleep Token never misses even when they literally miss 🤩🤩🤩🤩
2. WTF is this shit, Sleep Token has set for itself much higher standards
3. Sleep Token sucks, Fantano told you 2 years ago and y'all didn't listen

[spare idol]

tbh I don't even think caramel is bad

it's just rly boring lol

which is worse sometimes

like darker still was straight up a bad album and due to that I still see people talking about it, even if it mostly laughing at it

if this new st album is just really mid I think they'll fall off heavy

[dull pine]

I think it's "coworker" reggae with "coworker" black metal joined together with a safety pin

Is that bad? Well, by Sleep Token standards, yes

By random radio music standards, probably not

[rigid comet]

that'll piss off the whiners more

[snow cloud]

Good

Hope sleep token calls it bitter then as well

[spare idol]

it's not even black metal though

there's maybe about 4 bars of a blast beat with screams over top, but besides the drum pattern nothing about that is bm imho

even then most black metal isn't blastbeats tbh

I basically grew up on bm so I'm probably more critical about this than the average sleep token fan but it just feels like a very lazy gentrification of black metal from someone who's only listened to a single behemoth song in their life and nothing else bm

[rigid comet]

just the way that one part was put together it felt like it

and no I haven't only listened to a single behemoth song (behemoth sucks imo) I listen to bm and got the vibe

it's very obviously not bm but it just feels like it

[strange basalt]

just had a 2nd listen

and honestly

yall just too picky

this shit fire

its catchy and chill

and the blastbeat part isnt that bad or off even

its kinda nice

but thats maybe also because ive spent the whole day learning songs off of the new BFW album so my brain is beyond fried and i needed some chill/happy music at night rn ☠️

• i really like vessel's voice timbre as usual, bro was gifted with it fr

[rigid comet]

mhm

what do you guys expect

it's literally sleep token

[rigid comet]

4. Ewwwww pop music Sleep Token never does that😒 😒 😒 that heavy part was totally uncalled for even though I keep saying things like "why isn't ST doing heavy stuff😠 😡"

either one of those four or one of these two:

1. THESE LYRICS SUCK WTF
2. THESE LYRICS ARE FIRE WTF

[warm bridge]

Just enjoy shit good lord

[rigid comet]

if you don't like Sleep Token quit whining pleaseeee😭it's annoying

I thought the song was good. It didn't have anything new from them style wise, I don't see why people are surprised. Only thing different was the ending, which was actually sick as fuck.

[dull pine]

That's why I called it coworker black metal

[sour folio]

people aren't hating for those reasons though 😭

they're hating because its bbc1-bait jorja smith drake tier reggaeton blindly stitched to the most mediocre cover of Sunbather anyone has ever heard with no effort of making a cohesive song

it's just another case of sleep token being nothing but a collage of their influences

[dull pine]

They used to ease into such transitions way better in Sundowning and Tomb. Even several songs in Eden do it really well, but Ascensionism and the title track are obviously jarring examples of songs that are randomly stitched together, and it seems like someone in their team (I suspect the producer) decided OK this became famous once so let's do that same shit for the rest of time now

[sour folio]

i think the stop-start blast beat thing is cool even, but it doesnt even work that well vs. other bands who do it

Crippling Alcoholism - Red Looks Good On Him does the same drum structure in the post-chorus but it sounds so much cooler there than here

[sour folio]

oh yeah absolutely

i dont think it was the producer though tbh, i think it was probably the label

this is their first album with RCA after years of being on Spinefarm

[dull pine]

Even something like The Summoning is from a songwriting standpoint of a much, much higher quality than these 2 releases - and also I feel like both songs have let down Vessel's vocal performance by making them into some circus pieces for reaction virality

[rigid comet]

maybe you aren't

[sour folio]

i think the summoning is a really really good song structurally

i don't like it particularly but the way it's formatted works for it well

i ALWAYS see complaints about the mid-section and tbh just get a longer attention span lol its really not that bad

[dull pine]

Yeah one thing is clear - this RCA change has probably forced Sleep Token's hand into removing all the dynamism from Vessel's voice and making it a single volume pop track. There is zero change in his timbre or voice cadence while the first two albums and even the third are basically made by it.

[dull pine]

The mid section feels like a Periphery outro to me xD

[sour folio]

i think the biggest thing for me is how dry they are nowadays

[rigid comet]

okay this is kinda ridiculous ngl. everything is literally that

[sour folio]

the EPs through Tomb and even a little of Eden has this atmosphere that really worked for them and now it's just. gone.

[sour folio]

i mean yeah but usually bands will be doing something to stand out in some way, shape or form

Car Bomb are very clearly Meshuggah + Ion Dissonance worship, but they also have these minor details in their songs that make them easily distinguishable from those bands

[dull pine]

Nah, e.g. you can clearly tell Bullet for my valentine's biggest influence is thrash metal, but neither do they sound like any thrash metal band nor is it hard to tell if it's a bullet song or not.

[sour folio]

like the pop stuff ST were doing earlier on is very Low Roar/Boards of Canada/Bon Iver, but they still managed to have a distinct identity that makes me hear a song like Thread The Needle and be like "hey this is sleep token" instead of just thinking its some cover of Low Roar or someone

[sour folio]

yeah this is probs the best example like

Trivium are just modern day Iron Maiden, but they also brought something new to the table that not many bands prior to them did

[rigid comet]

10000% did they listen to specific bands and go "Oh, I'd love to make a section/song like that" then proceed to do so. that's just how it is. even the most creative and original sounding artists admitted to nearly stealing parts from songs

[dull pine]

Also Lamb of God in a way with Pantera

[sour folio]

the difference for me is like, sleep token dont really do anything new or unique now

[rigid comet]

LoG and Trivium also took much more inspiration from other bands, a band rarely takes their ideas from one band

[sour folio]

sure, i can believe that the reggaeton beat feels fresh to some people but also there's so many songs with it that sound identical

[rigid comet]

yeah I did not like that

[sour folio]

and the pop choruses are equally overdone in modern "metal"

[dull pine]

For me they don't really need to - they have a niche they created for themselves. "The Love You Want" is in my alltimer top 20 list, for example. But songs like those just ease into a big climax and you can't really draw lines and point out genres like you can with these newer tracks. That's the massive change.

[sour folio]

yeah no same

Sundowning is my favourite album of 2019 but that's in big part to how well those elements were blended

[dull pine]

The vocal dynamics in 'Sugar' is some fire stuff

[sour folio]

tbh i miss his old voice

i've seen Sleep Token 6 times now i think? around that number anyway, which is by far the most I've seen any band live

[dull pine]

It's still there buried under 2 tonnes of autotune

[sour folio]

the best show for me was literally my first back in 2018

[sour folio]

nah he's gotten wayyyy lower i think

or at least deeper in timbre

i miss how ethereal he used to sound

[dull pine]

I think they're using effects for that too

[sour folio]

i've filled the old-ST gap with Leprous thankfully, but I do still wish we got more songs like Nazareth or Calcutta

[rigid comet]

I wish we would get that but clearly we won't

i mean 90% of the fans don't even like it

everyone is like ohh guys tmbte is the best😛 🤘 🤘 🥶 🔥 🔥 🔥 I just love it all the way through #worship #worship sleep token for life life is sleep token

more people need to appreciate the first two eps

[snow cloud]

• the way that you were, jaws and hey ya

[rigid comet]

agreed

but first two eps are the peakest of the peak for them imo

[shell haven]

sleep token lyricism isn’t really allat either

its just “different” compared to the generic ass lyricism we get in metalcore and due to its themes it comes off as way more profound than it really is

[sour folio]

genuinely everything since tomb has been so cringe lyrically

[shell haven]

“i got space dust for your fuel rods” alright arts and crafts ahhh

it’s just mind numbing analogies and similes

[sour folio]

the same people who jerk this off is the same crowd who act like daoboys and soulkeeper and frontierer and knocked loose and any other band with any sort of genuinely thought out lyrics are unintelligble random phrases 😭

[cerulean flicker]

I would love some new stuff that sounds like Sugar, his voice sounds incredible on that track 😭

[sour folio]

this being said i also think this is the best part lyrically of any metal or core song of this decade

whole song fucks tho

perfect mix of lyrics meaning something and also just sounding hard as fuck

[cerulean flicker]

I love ST but you guys do make some good points. There is a certain atmosphere that's missing on TMBTE that I'm not sure we'll ever get back. Sundowning and Tomb just feel different. I also agree that Vessel is doing less interesting things with his voice now which makes me sad 😞

[sour folio]

the guitars are a big change that i dont really like too

after tomb i feel they just got too low tuned and muddy

it doesn't help that their heaviest songs are still Higher and Nazareth LOL

[cerulean flicker]

My main complaint rn is that I feel like their song structure is all very same-y lately

[sour folio]

Higher in 2020 was my first ever pit and I still remember throwing hands because this was back when ST still had -core pits instead of metal pits LOL

[sour folio]

oh yeah no same

[cerulean flicker]

I love Higher sfm

It's my favorite

[sour folio]

poppy intro into less poppy part with crazy drums into break into heavy loud metal guitar earblasting

[cerulean flicker]

I'm kind of tired of the rapping

[sour folio]

just sometimes they meander a little on the longer songs or go backwards through from a break into another poppy part

oh god yeah 😭

vessel cant rap

hate to say it but its just so bad vs. actual rappers

[cerulean flicker]

It was neat at first, like I love Ascensionism

But they just keep doing it now and meh

3:30 of Higher is transcendental and I want more of that

[shell haven]

i mean i also love ST, just anything prior to TMBTE 😭
its like everything was a massive stepdown but the biggest was lyrically and vocally, half of what vessel is doing sounds so fake and just doesnt work with his voice, and instead of different genres being merged together its just a 2017 trap song that transitions into a djent/bm parody instead of being cohesive or a proper fusion

[sour folio]

they're not 1:1 but the closest band I've found for early ST vibes is easily Leprous

[shell haven]

its just trying too hard to be “hip” and trendy? like most genre fusions come from older sounds but sleep tokens is a mix of both modern pop and metal which isn’t extensively compelling if i’m being honest

[cerulean flicker]

Gonna check them out, ty

[sour folio]

hard to give a specific song but probs this for the best starting point https://open.spotify.com/track/2cXtLOiUWyCDebAT65p5cJ?si=8dbc4242961c4cec

[sour folio]

yeah this is my issue

it feels very babymetal lol

but also they're an idol group, they're meant to be manufactured and that gimmick lets them get away with it

[cerulean flicker]

I think this is them leaning into their massive tiktok audience more than anything

[sour folio]

100%

which is funny because thats who the lyrics are calling out

[cerulean flicker]

Justifiably, people are fucking weird

Everyone has fangirl/fanboy moments but I feel like it got socially acceptable to take it to a creepy level

I blame booktok

[shell haven]

tbh its not a tiktok thing, weve had crazy fans like these for a while, most prominently during late 2000s / early 2010s emo

fuck me its still there, BMTH fans are not normal abt Oli Sykes

[cerulean flicker]

I don't remember people being so public about it

Maybe with like Vic Fuentes but

[shell haven]

i guess they were more spread out between different platforms, and just all ended up flocking to TikTok

Kellin Quinn, Vic Fuentes, Danny Worsnop, Oli Sykes

any emo frontman really

[cerulean flicker]

I feel like shows have gotten way worse in the past 10 years

[shell haven]

oh absolutely

its also metal and alt music being more popular. bigger venues = more dickheads

[cerulean flicker]

Like I enjoy bad omens but I don't even want to see them bc I've heard horror stories

[sour folio]

I think kpop is a worse culprit

and boyband culture

a lot of the same people who were into 5sos and bts as 12 year olds are now mid 20s and into bad omens and sleep token

[cerulean flicker]

That is true, kpop is a whole 'nother beast

[sour folio]

okay bro I normally agree with u but....

aint nobody simping over danny worsnop

[shell haven]

they do thats the worst part

[sour folio]

bro looks like he's in bookies every Saturday to call the Liverpool players racial slurs

[shell haven]

well, DID

[cerulean flicker]

There are some hot pics of Danny ok

I saw Oli Sykes in a video the other day though and didn't even recognize him

[spare idol]

oli is in a very bad state visually 😭

I remember when I was getting into bmth I lowk had a small crush on him but then he just became really ugly LOL

[cerulean flicker]

He was cute before, not sure what the hell he was thinking

[shell haven]

bro took too much inspiration from the gigachad

[cerulean flicker]

I don't really like the vocals in this but I definitely hear the similarities to ST 🤔

[sour folio]

it's even funnier because leprous also do the black metal thing

except unlike ST, they used to be a black metal band and their vocalist is Ihsahn's brother-in-law

Ihsahn being the vocalist/guitarist for Emperor, who most people would call top 1 black metal, everyone would call top 3

[cerulean flicker]

I need to explore black metal, I've never really listened to it

[shell haven]

give womb 2 da tomb a try

[cerulean flicker]

But I like stuff that people call "blackened" so I guess I need to get in there

[sour folio]

LOL

[sour folio]

which bands in particular?

i could probs give recs of straight up bm off that

[cerulean flicker]

I've been enjoying stuff like Lorna and Disembodied Tyrant

It's outside my usual sphere of taste though so I only have a vague idea of what I'm even talking about lmao

I just wanna listen to music where it sounds like God is destroying spacetime with an orchestra backing

[sour folio]

ah fair not too familiar w either tbh

not all straight up black metal, i'd start w the top row then go down but these are all black metal influenced

if you wanna try straight up black metal i'd probably go with Emperor, if you want David Bowie's take on BM then Crippling Alcoholism, if you want pretty shoegaze then Asunojokei, if you wanna cry then Envy

[cerulean flicker]

Hell yeah, thanks for this! ❤️

[spare idol]

i don't rly know all these albums but ill vouch for emperor and ihsahn 100%

I had a very weird upbringing and basically grew up on the first 3 emperor albums + ihsahns solo stuff

[cerulean flicker]

I wish I would have been allowed to listen to cool music growing up

My parents thought Linkin Park was too spicy

[spare idol]

I'll be honest my parents were very oblivious to what I liked so I got away w it LOL

my older cousin played in a band when I was growing up so I got into a lot of music through him

their drummer joined crystal lake a few years ago actually

[distant seal]

I wasn’t allowed to listen to anything with swearing lmao

luckily Hybrid Theory and Meteora were ok in that sense

[strange basalt]

funny thing is

bradley hall, nr 1 sleep token hater

for some reason loves the song

at least thats what i gathered from his

probably sarcastic shitpost insta post

but the comments seemed legit

☠️

[rigid comet]

WHAT

if it isn't sarcastic my whole life is a lie

[strange basalt]

go check his insta lol

[dull pine]

He seems to like the only good part of the song - the part that hasn't been messed up by Aldi brand genre mixing or shitty autotune layering or effects

But saying Caramel is good but Alkaline is bad is one of the takes of all time, I must say

[strange basalt]

yea but i mean

its bradley hall

i never take his opinions or him seriously

even if hes being fr im not taking this guy seriously

☠️

[dull pine]

True, yeah

[glad summit]

I like the song after relistens but I prefer Emergence and TMBTE and older songs too

[rigid comet]

older songs are the goat

thread the needle on top

[neat chasm]

So I'm a bit late, but Caramel is...alright? It's catchy in parts, but I'm not putting it on repeat. The lyrics are decent. The auto tune is a decision, and there's one other song of theirs I know of with AT (Fall For Me, anyone?)

I feel like it's an artistic choice (as long as the majority of the album isn't AT'd) but it turns me off hearing it. Maybe it's meant to represent addressing the fans?

[near vault]

All of their music is auto-tuned to extents. It’s the specific processing that gives it the “Top 50” feel. Fall for Me is slightly different in that what you may be thinking of is the vocoder that he’s using. Autotune is pretty clear on most of the TMBTE tracks

[glad summit]

I noticed this in spotify yesterday. unless its been there

[silk nova]

He’s ready to fight the haters

[tranquil flicker]

I have listened to this song 27 times in like 2 days

I need help

It's too good