Sleep Token - Even In Arcadia (Album - May 9)

[cedar delta]

how is this a problem though? you like it and other people like it too

are you saying its bad people like it too much? lmao

[tough valley]

Eh like

[covert juniper]

I think most of the glazing comes from a place of they have a history of a lot of amazing songs

[tough valley]

It’s hard to describe

[cedar delta]

no i think its pretty easy to describe

you hate things that are popular

[tough valley]

This is the best way that I can put it

[tough valley]

That’s kind of a dumb take, I never said it was a bad record

[fossil halo]

it's all subjective

[hushed vortex]

some people's definitions of competition are different. for some there's a lot of great albums that it would be difficult to choose a #1, while for other's there's a clearcut winner or its not as difficult to decide. that doesn't necessarily mean that they're glazing

[fossil halo]

literally all of it is subjective

[tough valley]

Bad is like… Sleep Token, and that’s because it’s just genuinley soulless Imagine Dragons tier music

[fossil halo]

there's a reason I say Whitechapel is aoty FOR ME

[cedar delta]

its just how you come off

[fossil halo]

and that FOR ME, it'll be hard to beat

[hushed vortex]

Imagine Dragons became a meme, and like all other things that become memes, they start to become unironically hated. ST doesn't even sound like Imagine Dragons but

[cedar delta]

i could easily say that about your favorite record, its not objective lol

i dislike this record but it doesn't make it objectively bad (clearly as many people love it)

[fossil halo]

very rarely can music actually be rated objectively

the only time it can is if it's musically inept

[tough valley]

There’s a few objective metrics like technical skill

Something like Archspire is objectively difficult to compose and play

[cedar delta]

yeah but thats skill not enjoyment of the song

[fossil halo]

it's not about skill tho, it's about what people enjoy

[cedar delta]

thats an entirely different argument and we arent even talking about skill as far as i know

[fossil halo]

@cedar delta stop stealing the things I'm gonna say before I say them

[hushed vortex]

bands can have good tecnhical skills but still not produce s tier music lol

[cedar delta]

NAUR!

[tough valley]

I think technical skill is at least a but correlated with quality

Hence why musically inept music is bad

[mystic nexus]

cough rings of saturn cough

[tough valley]

You need at least some degree of skill in order to craft competent, enjoyable music

[hushed vortex]

new RoS, yes

[cedar delta]

ive enjoyed shitpost that required no talent to produce

so that point doesnt make much sense to me

[static viper]

[cedar delta]

hello taco

[static viper]

What’s up

[cedar delta]

the sky

clearly

this mf blind

well i guess in this case its the ceiling

[dusky orbit]

Bro stfu lmao

[ripe trellis]

very constructive to the conversation at hand thank you

I never said sleep token is particularly good, I just think whitechapel is super boring

dad rock whitechapel rock, if I wanted MySpace deathcore I'd just listen to TSZ

[fossil halo]

lol

[lusty talon]

why is this thread about only whitechapel lol

but ngl

new album

kinda good

but compared to their discography

probs worst album imo

like sundowning, this place will become your tomb and ESPECIALLY take me back to eden (their most peak work highkey) are better imo

but i might just need to take a 2nd listen

because no tracks really stood out to me as memorable, like they all sounded kinda similar and kinda same to one another (not literally, but just nothing exactly memorable besides Emergence), meanwhile take me back to eden was like basically very different with each track and in a good way.

[ripe trellis]

honestly with the exception of Bear's Vanta this is probably my favourite metalcore album of the decade?

but that more shows how dire metalcore has been lol

[lusty talon]

thats interesting

shows how

subjective music and tastes are lmao

because i personally wouldnt call it even aoty

let alone decade lol

[ripe trellis]

I feel like Arcadia is just an interesting album no matter what you think of the quality, it's nice to hear a metalcore album with some actually interesting soundscapes after architects made everyone decide that we need to use high pitch guitar drones

[ripe trellis]

oh no it's not, just in metalcore

mclusky fucking sweeps

[lusty talon]

oh yea

[ripe trellis]

daoboys also sweeps

[lusty talon]

but i mean

even in metalcore

[ripe trellis]

but they're more mathcore

[lusty talon]

as well

[lusty talon]

yea true

i love sleep token solely

because of how they engineered

such an unique soundscape

vessel is incredibly talented in music in general

with all those genres he pulls off into one song

[lusty talon]

personally there are still wayyyy better albums imo 🤷‍♂️

and yea as i said take me back to eden is still their best work imho

do love how drippy vessel is with those spanish cuphilt rapiers

☠️

[ripe trellis]

I feel like there's some that I could see as maybe being better but that are just too boring

like Erra totally could have a better album with self titled but all the songs sound the same lmao

[lusty talon]

thats fair lol

i get your point

though

bleed from within has been doing incredibly their own thing the past decade 🤫

[ripe trellis]

I like Gungrave more than anything on Arcadia but unfortunately as an album it's just kinda whatever

[ripe trellis]

I like bfw but they're another band I don't like as an album band

[lusty talon]

thats interesting

because i find that their

albums are incredibly polished

and well put together always imo

but i might be biased as well because im just straight up bfw nr 1 fanboy atp 🤷‍♂️

[lusty talon]

i mean yea i guess like st does their very unique thing but Arcadia wasnt that great or interesting of a thing as an album for me this time though

tastes vary ig

[ripe trellis]

I feel like for me an album should be cohesive BUT varied, which is something a lot of metal struggles with

[lusty talon]

^

this i agree with

[ripe trellis]

especially on longer albums, some bands are making 50+ minute albums when imho they'd be much better at like 35-40

[lusty talon]

yea

[ripe trellis]

Darko last year did NOT need to be longer than Opeth 😭😭

[lusty talon]

😭

they never need to be longer than that bro LMAO

[ripe trellis]

tbf I like some longer albums but they're always multi album releases or post-rock anyways 😭

[lusty talon]

yea 😭

[ripe trellis]

like Wiegedood's DDHHG trilogy or Resistance & The Blessing or Hypnotize/Mezmerize

[lusty talon]

idk im happy anyway this year because I got Zenith

[sharp kernel]

alright buddy you say that others takes are insane so i’m just saying yours are too

[earnest smelt]

vessel a dex user? hell yeah

sorry str bros

[ripe trellis]

i mean in what universe is behemoth ever going to be better than whitechapel lmao

whitechapel could drop some d1 mega-ass indie pop record and I'd still probably favor it over whatever flavour of "we aren't nazis guys we promise" behemoth shit out that year

[sharp kernel]

cool

👍

[ripe trellis]

I respect their early stuff but the fall-off after Evangelion has to be studied

[obtuse turret]

The guitars aren’t even used like guitars bro

Like the riffs are barely riffs

As you’re sorta saying it’s just loud and noisy for the sake of it

[midnight path]

The blast beats they used for caramel are pretty black metal, you'all just dont want to admit it lol

[sharp kernel]

bait

[vestal dune]

i agree w u here

i feel some of the songs are just too "feel good" as compared to a majority of their discography that leans into darker undertones ig

also my hot take is that infinite baths is one of if not the single worst song in their entire discography

[sharp kernel]

i would personally give that to past life

[vestal dune]

not a totally uncommon take, i've seen a lot of people hating on past self

not the biggest fan of that track either, but it's relatively short at only 3 nd a half minutes

when i look at their entire discography there're tracks i'd place below past self personally, such as the way that you were or thread the needle kinda for that reason (if past self were to have dragged on longer i think it could validate worst song oat status)

the reason i place infinite baths below that track as well as these other tracks is the recycled instrumental callback to the opener and obnoxiously slow build into the underwhelming hook

it's the longest track in the whole discography yet lacks the progression and ambience of tracks of a similar length such as TMBTE (the title track, which is 4-5 seconds shorter but far less predictable)

on top of the track being mid they placed it as the album's closer with it fading out the album for almost a minute which is js truly inexcusable in my opinion

[shadow zodiac]

The thing is that it isn't tho

[spice skiff]

So you’re saying infinite Baths is worse than past self cause of the 1 min fade out ?

What about the other 7 minutes

I really liked how they did this throwback to Look to Windward

[ripe trellis]

saying thread the needle is one of their worst songs is insane when its a top 3

also that breakdown fadeout in infbaths is the best riff they've ever written

it's so fucking sludgey and ocean-y and really feels like where the band should have gone straight after sundowning

[hard steeple]

Vore still better

[kindred salmon]

More ocean-y than atlantis ain't possible

[ripe trellis]

I mean this as in the band The Ocean

not as a descriptor, it feels straight ripped out of an album like Pelagial

[near vortex]

Yeah, good or bad is mostly subjective but that album is VERY controversial

Can't remember anything lately even nearly as divisive as this

[rustic delta]

Newest LP album?

[near vortex]

Nah

Brother we already got more messages on this thread alone than on the LP one

[kindred salmon]

Comeback of dance gavin dance

[rustic delta]

Like half of it is off-topic though.

[vestal dune]

my problem is the other 7 minutes 😔

imo it doesn't really do anything look to windward didn't do better and it's a relatively static track despite it being the longest in the entire discography

[dusky orbit]

Why the freak are y'all talking about Linkin Park

[fossil halo]

read the convo

[storm narwhal]

ngl

some songs in this kinda reminds me of this place will become your tomb

like infinite baths

[chrome charm]

This album felt very safe ngl, still I liked it

[lunar hatch]

There's apparently a new puzzle in the lyrics on Apple Music. Gonna be insane if the people saying double album were right

[south mauve]

seems unlikely to me tbh

[lunar hatch]

Oh definitely

But imagine.....

[fossil halo]

if they drop another album i pray it's better than this one

[south mauve]

real

I´ve read into the theory a bit. It seems plausible with the whole two houses thingy; might also explain why they didnt announce the tours for the album yet

[shadow zodiac]

The lore is like some type of shit I'd find on r/BatmanArkham

"What was the lore reason for Gethsemane falling off as a song?"

"What Arkham quote should I use for this album?"

[south mauve]

do not check the lore discussions, I´ve seen that shit go wild

but the general thingy of like they teased with two houses and now Arcadia only represents the logo of one of the two so there´s gotta be more seems valid enoguh

[shadow zodiac]

New album confirmed

man it better not be shit

[south mauve]

here´s to hoping that the other album, should there be one, is the depresso espresso in contrast to Arcadia´s happy sunshine instrumental

[fossil halo]

where

[shadow zodiac]

Hopefully somewhere good

[fossil halo]

whar

im askin where it's confirmed smh

[shadow zodiac]

nowhere

I just made it up

[fossil halo]

smh

[kindred salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-gif-4169442390448293969

[rustic delta]

Tour dates are literally posted on the original teaser website.

[south mauve]

For real? Aight, missed that. My b

[jovial vale]

Sleep Token getting 2 hour download fest set

[rustic delta]

Nice.

[shadow zodiac]

This def gonna win AOTY

not that I see it that way on my own list lmao

[midnight path]

Eventually 4 songs ended up in my all artists, all songs playlist.

[lone whale]

I'm definitely gonna listen to the album a few more times to find/give my final rating, but so far, it's a 4.5 or roughly a 5/10. If it was more cohesive, it would be a 6/10 I guess.
The singles + title track are my faves still, with title track at #1.
Provider gets last place for sure. I kinda hate it, ngl.
All the other songs are gonna get some more chances, maybe some of 'em will grow on me 🤷‍♀️

But yeah, overall I'm heavily underwhelmed by this record. Still love Sleep Token tho & here's hoping that all future releases are gonna be better 🤞

[ripe trellis]

I think caramel is the worst on the album but even then I'd say that's better than half of eden

[lone whale]

Wha-?
Eden is worlds better lol

[ripe trellis]

Eden is at best typical sleep token (granite, some of ascensionism) and at worst a muddy jumbled mess of unpolished ideas imho

Arcadia having a better drum mix instantly makes it the better album solely because the drums carry nearly every ST song

[fossil halo]

eden is 1000% better than this shitty record

and i dont even care for eden that much lol

[ripe trellis]

I feel like vessel is just a very alright vocalist and guitarist with good piano skills but then the drummer is going insane

Leprous is honestly the same, I love Leprous but Einar and Robin aren't doing anywhere near what Baard is for the music

[lone whale]

II is goated, there's no discussion needed about that imo

[fossil halo]

II is a god tier drummer, i love him

and i genuinely really enjoy vessel's screaming, i wish he'd fuckin do it more lol

[ripe trellis]

I feel like Arcadia is the closest album we've gotten to the EPs which is personally what I feel is their peak

so much more detail in the background instead of Carl Bown's typical WSS/Bullet assblasting mixdown

[lone whale]

hot take. but I've said this before on this thread: music is subjective and if that's how you feel about it: fair

[fossil halo]

wh-

HUH

MUSIC

SUBJECTIVE???

[lone whale]

Uh, yeah. Everyone experiences it in a different way, no?
Like, we all prefer different sounds and lyrical themes.
At least for me that's the case

[fossil halo]

it cant be subjective.........................

everything i say is 100% true

[lone whale]

Oh, I see what you're doing here now

[lone whale]

about the EPs: i do like them a lot, but don't go back to them that often tbh. plus, they really needed to grow on me
rn, from the top of my head, my fave song from the EPs would be Thread the Needle i think. But i actually have to go and listen to them both again
(hope you don't mind the ping)

[ripe trellis]

I've heard one and two a million times since that's when I first heard of ST, they're lowkey industry plants but it's chill

their first EP got promo off Mike Malyan (Monuments), Irist, Perturbator, Loathe, Vildhjarta, etc

actually Tesseracts guitarist was the dude they worked with on their first marketing sprints just prior to the Basick signing

obviously this latest growth is natural but they were definitely boosted into an enviable position among the UK scene that bands like Black Peaks and Rolo and Palm Reader would have killed to be in

[lone whale]

Okay, didn't know any of that; damn
first ST song I've ever heard was The Way That You Were, then went and checked out TPWBYT and was absolutely hooked :D (both at the end of 2022)

[rustic delta]

Album has grown on me. Still better than Sundowning. I get the vibe that Vessel is looking for here.

Won't be AOTY, but I respect it.

[open sapphire]

at least we got way more this album compared to the rest of the discography

[fossil halo]

i thought the exact opposite

there was more screaming on eden

[kindred salmon]

Wait we aren't supposed to bash eachothers heads in because of an online opinion?

[kindred salmon]

There's no vore on this album though

[open sapphire]

yeah, thats like the biggest sad part for me

[kindred salmon]

||side note, wild sentence out of context||

[open sapphire]

literally ONLY bc vore

[open sapphire]

lmaooo

[open sapphire]

but in terms of the actual songs more songs have screaming sections

[fossil halo]

im talking about screaming in general

[open sapphire]

I prolly worded poorly

I meant like

more songs have a screaming part

[kindred salmon]

Even then, no right?

Cause EiA has like 2 songs without screams

While eden only 1(?)

I think only DYWTYLM hasn't

[lone whale]

I meann, some people clearly think we are
You just gotta open ST Twitter. Or simply look at any post that has been made about this record by any magazine or music review page and whatnot lol

[kindred salmon]

I mean twitter is a dumpster fire anyways, with hot takes nobody dares to say irl. And magazine websites kinda feed on ragebaiting, to get more engagement

[shadow zodiac]

Mid album

all ya got to say

[lone whale]

Twitter being a dumpster fire is 100% true lol Even tho my algorithm is actually not that bad

And magazine websites kinda feed on ragebaiting, to get more engagement
I have to be honest here: I don't read any online magazines. If there's a post from, idk, Rocksound for example in my Insta feed, I'll read it real quick. Like, if it's there, why not, you know? Might even read the first few comments. But that's it for me

[lone whale]

Yuup lol
The comments/replies will look like this shortly after:

https://tenor.com/view/community-chaos-chaotic-fire-gif-17636558

[shadow zodiac]

This album has been the most divided I've ever seen people be on an album

ngl

[hard steeple]

It’s good but it’s not their best work

p much how i feel

If this heavier b-side album rumor is true i’m lookin forward to that tho

[lone whale]

Kinda same
But for me, it's "okay" instead of "good" 🤷‍♀️

[hard steeple]

Tmbte was very 2nd half heavy, all the best songs were on there

If this is the same case

then hallelujah

[lone whale]

Oh yeah, same

[lone whale]

Alright folks, I'm gonna go be horizontal 🫡 (meant to do that for at least an hour now, whoops)
Don't turn this thread into this GIF

[kindred salmon]

Ngl i don't really read magazines or articles about albums nor do i use twitter anymore since the change. And especially not the comments

I got a way better source for bad takes || #📑-tierlists ||

[kindred salmon]

Too late, kitchen already on fire

But ye same, on both fronts, sleep well and gn 🫡

[lone whale]

sleep well and gn 🫡
thx and right back at ya :D

[fossil halo]

👀

[midnight path]

A vocalist who can sing well is one thing and one who can come up with melodies that sit well in their specific voice and sound well is quite another. I have a tiny amount of experience writing music for live performances and what sounded nice on my voice or software often turned out to be poor when put together and changes had to made all the time. Unlocking the correct melodies and registers is hard. Many excellent vocalists fall into the trap of using the same couple of melodies in entire albums worth of songs. Now I feel like Vessel is kind of falling into the same trap in his R&B Rap sections, but songs with just open singing he's still really good at creating variety. That being said, I don't know how a fifth album will look, and I hope he doesn't fully fall into that trap or reduces the amount of rap style vocals he does. As it is, for me Caramel is ruined by what feels to me like a very sloppily done rap bit.

[midnight path]

Please get Bown out of WSS they really need a change now 🙁

[midnight path]

In my opinion a rather mediocre album somehow finishes with 2 of the best songs Sleep Token has ever made.

So, yes.

[hard steeple]

If you’re talking about tmbte

Then what the fuck

[south mauve]

TMBTE and Euclid as two of the best ST songs certainly is.....something.

[open sapphire]

as a person who barely likes that album I can agree with this

[open sapphire]

fight me.....

ima stand by that

still nothing will EVER beat the first two eps... but

[midnight path]

I'm talking about Even in Arcadia

[rustic delta]

One and Two are boring af

[open sapphire]

ill always love tmbte and euclid

[midnight path]

I think Gethsemane is top 3 ST of all time

Probably top 2

[midnight path]

I wanted to reply to the message below about 'if this is like that'

🥲

[open sapphire]

oh..

consider yourself an opp bro

that's the worst take I've ever heard😭

no offense tho music is subjective 😁

[rustic delta]

What? No! If you don't agree with me you're wrong!

[midnight path]

For me TMBTE was first 3 songs + Rain... the rest were 'why' to 'alright not bad'

[rustic delta]

TMBTE was amazing. Only song I didn't care for was Are You Really Okay?

[midnight path]

Aqua Regia - not bad
Vote - not bad
Ascensionism - why.exe
Are you really ok - no, what is this
Apparition - not bad
DYTKLTNMYJ - why
TMBTE - eh... it's alright but there's too much interlude
Euclid - not bad

(For me you are free to think otherwise obviously)

[rustic delta]

What is DYTKLTNMYJ?

You mean DYWTYLM?

[midnight path]

That one yeah

I just mashed my keyboard because I couldn't bother

[vague jackal]

based

[rustic delta]

Ascensionism was my favorite off the album long term.

[midnight path]

There are like 3 completely different songs just stapled together. Like Caramel beta version. At least Caramel has the best sleep token chorus yet

[vague jackal]

*worst

[midnight path]

Fake news

[rustic delta]

I think the style shifts were pretty solid.

[midnight path]

There weren't really

One just stopped and the other started

That's it

TMBTE had better shifts but they also had super long interludes twice in the song

[south mauve]

Aight, I'm in - both aint even scratch my top 10 tbh

[rustic delta]

I'm not hearing any "super long interludes".

Unless you're referring to the intro as one, in which case it's there to set up the tone of the song.

There's also the 30 second transition between the chorus and the bridge, I guess.

[kindred salmon]

That goes to like that

[rustic delta]

I don't know if I'd call that "super long".

[midnight path]

I don't know what you mean by chorus and bridge here. The song has 3 stanzas all converging onto the same refrain. The gaps between these and the intro into the 3rd stanza is too long. Like 4:24 to 5:28 is basically just like chewing gum - it keeps stretching and stretching

The interlude from 1->2 on its own at 20 seconds wouldn't be an issue

But combined with the general stretching out of the song, they could've found ways to use tricks they did in earlier albums to bring them closer together

[jovial vale]

has it been found out yet what the echoed vocals were saying in look to windward?

[tough valley]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Fl1p3jQWqXA

Light 2. Described as “Metal for Disney Adults”. Added to his “Pop Reviews” playlist.

Fucking based tbh

[fossil halo]

the metal for disney adults fucking took me out LOL

he's right though

[void tangle]

Fantano surely did trash it all out on it

What's the score?

[fossil halo]

||2/10||

i honestly expected the album to get a not good

[void tangle]

Yeah, and it makes sense

[fossil halo]

one point that he made though that really stuck with me is how sleep token pulls from many different genres, right? alt pop, alt r&b, metal (typically alt metal or djent), and then there will be shades of other genres thrown in there and what not

but they only ever show a surface level apprecation for those genres. they never pull the best parts of any of them, it's more so just the very standard stuff

and i 100% agree with that

[void tangle]

Yeah, doesn't look good for ST

IDK if Vessel would laugh or facepalm on it

Yeah, it's like it has been keeping itself as a gateway band for so long, it hasn't evolved in its ideas it becomes diluted, even though I still enjoyed it and sort of ranked the songs

[mystic nexus]

LMFAO

with the way that a LOT of fans act he's absolutely not wrong

[shadow zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/its-happening-friday-gif-12932795

Aight the one Fantano vid I'll watch

brb

Seeing how Fantano has the red flannel... it's not gonna end well

Already laughing

I love his comment sections so much

[fossil halo]

it's funny thought because it seems like people are really agreeing with him this time around

that screenshot is for TMBTE

[shadow zodiac]

Well

He was mixed on it iirc

He did also call them the Imagine Dragons of Metal

which

[fossil halo]

this is for EIA lol

[shadow zodiac]

was very funny

Damn

[fossil halo]

oh no he hated tmbte

he also gave it a 2/10

[shadow zodiac]

oh shit

you know

I don't agree with the score

I agree with the mid comments tho

and the Imagine Dragon comment tho

Because that is literally kinda true

[fossil halo]

tmbte isnt a 2/10 to me but this new album 1000% is

[fossil halo]

LOL

the genre he listed for the album is "alt pop with metal sometimes"

[shadow zodiac]

I call it alt metal

That's what it is

unless they go full pop

it's staying that

[fossil halo]

nah it's def not alt metal

the metal in this album is far and few between

as opposed to TMBTE

[shadow zodiac]

That's really the thing

It has less metal elements

but you don't have to have a shit ton to be called "metal" in a sense

that's where Prog, or Alt come into the mix

If anything, I could call this Alt Rock, but that wouldn't make much sense given certain sections

[fossil halo]

i would call a song like Hypnosis an alt metal song

there's no song in this album that struck me as metal

except for almost gethsemane

[shadow zodiac]

There were like 3 songs... 4 iirc that had metal parts in it

First song, and the last 2

[fossil halo]

having metal parts doesnt automatically make it metal

i wouldnt call caramel a metal song for example

[shadow zodiac]

I'd call it an alt metal song

Unless there's mainly a genre that more overgrown onto something, then it wouldn't really be considered else

Pop is the only one that is more noticable on the album

[fossil halo]

caramel is mostly alt r&b with reggaeton

with a little bit of metal at the end

[shadow zodiac]

but it's also fused with other things

Besides... most common thing I see is people just calling them alt/prog metal

which basically fits how I would tend to describe their music

[fossil halo]

i called all their older stuff that

[shadow zodiac]

The A7X album a few years ago was more prog rock than metal, but it is still considered prog metal

[fossil halo]

calling eia a metal album is a stretch imo

[shadow zodiac]

I wouldn't call it metal in the sense that it's nothing but

That's why alt and prog is there

mainly alt

It's typically more than just that

It's just the foundation of what makes it that genre

so if something is like atmospheric black metal, the foundation would be bm

and the amplifier would be just the atmo elements

Metal in this album is a foundation, but it's also overlapped with various other genres. I guess it's the genre that sticks out more imo

So metal would be the best to describe it as since it dabbles a lot into more metal oriented stuff than pop

but pop and r&b is just a compliment so that would just help make it alt

if that makes any sense

AIght so

Fantano just said this was Metal for Disney adults

I can't even begin to tell you why I even agree with that

He called it uninspired

I agree 100%

Says that the metal parts are just tacked on and don't really need to be

agree

Tones suck.. don't agree

Riffs are basic and done several times before

agree

Singing is awful... I don't agree but I think the rapping is by far the worst shit I think I ever heard

also said they sound like AI due to the amount of touch-up

Funni

Writing is bad

I agree

I love how everyone just collectively agrees that Provider has some of the most dogshit writing ever

and how Past Self is just the most boring song ever

The idea of how the band is trying to pass this album off as something really deep but ends up being just stereotypical generic shit pop with metal here and there

agree

You know what

I agree with the scoring he gave this album ngl

I gave it a 5 but man I really think it should just be a 4

[cedar delta]

Provider is unironically one of the worst songs ive heard all year

[shadow zodiac]

Aight for those of you who don't wanna see my bitch ass ramble, here are the main points of the album Fantano gave it

- Metal for Disney Adults (Imagine Dragons but Metal
- Very uninspired musically 
- Metal parts and various others just feel tacked on when they really shouldn't be 
- Tones (especially the metal parts) suck 
- The metal riffs are very basic that countless bands have done before and even better 
- Singing is awful (So touched-up to the point it just sounds like it was AI)
- Writing is bad (then insults Provider) 
- The band made this album to pass off as something so deep and analytical, but end up just being generic, uninspired pop, and even more generic metal. 

Score: 2/10

[cedar delta]

Still a 3/10 for me

[shadow zodiac]

For those of you who remember my complaints on this album... you'd can probably tell where I agree with on here.
The album is very uninspired and very generic in all the categories it tries to cover, sections of the songs feel so forced to try and capture that same essence that Eden succeeded from - even if it wasnt the best, writing is ass, and how this is just generic slop made out to be something far deeper because it takes people away from the music itself into something else related to le band

[shadow zodiac]

Yea I listened to a few songs again on my spare time

it's just not it man

I think I was a bit too generous giving it a high 5

Now it's time for us to laugh together in unison

anyways he reviewed the Ghost album. TIme to see me agree

[south mauve]

Let´s be real, anyone who thought he´d actually like this was sniffin too much glue

also I love the phrase "Metal for Disney adults" lmao

[ripe trellis]

I feel like I disagree with fantano for most of those points BUT I will admit the metal stuff usually isn't great and the guitar tones suck ass

what can you do though, we're in the metalcore downtuning phase where every band has to be 7 string Drop G at a minimum

[fossil halo]

goes back to this point here

[ripe trellis]

when you're tuning a guitar lower than a bass (Invent, ST, Silent Planet, Spiritbox) you're never gonna get a nice guitar tone lmao

I don't get why people are pre-emptively calling worst album of the year though

we're probably realistically gonna get new wage war late this year, we've already had new architects

[fossil halo]

it's the worst ive heard so far

[ripe trellis]

I feel like it'll be an album people look back on with a better view than they have now tbh

sundowning was exactly the same

[fossil halo]

i def wont lol

[ripe trellis]

I remember it getting fucking slated by everyone ever lmao, and then nowadays most people consider it their best

[cedar delta]

im a literal modern wage war hater and it doesnt really matter what they drop it'll clear this

[ripe trellis]

never know, I used to hate Amo and now it's like. top 3 bring me

[ripe trellis]

no

as bad as vessel is he hasn't ripped off the dead

[fossil halo]

i know

because this sorta music is not my thing

[cedar delta]

?

[ripe trellis]

last wage war album got a little too much inspiration from some power trip lyrics

[fossil halo]

also it's been 3 years since the last architects record, wasnt wage war's just last year?

i doubt they're gonna drop so soon

[cedar delta]

who's that lmao

[ripe trellis]

oh I had it in my head as 2023 tbh

bottom 3 band ever lmao

[ripe trellis]

like

biggest crossover band in the world since 2017

[cedar delta]

biggest crossover band
not even 200k monthly

alr man

[ripe trellis]

1st is wag wag and 2nd is power trip

[fossil halo]

are you listing architects as bottom 3 band

i so hope not

[ripe trellis]

also same song from wage war has the lyric "swing of the axe" lmfao

might as well just mention hornets and finish off the set

[ripe trellis]

no? wage war

architects are bottom 5 though

nothing worse than a band with bad music AND who are cosplaying being leftist to win over the public

[cedar delta]

do you not understand how many bands use similar lyrics?

[ripe trellis]

I'm very much aware but that is such a specific set of words lmfao

[fossil halo]

was gonna say LOL

[cedar delta]

seems like such a fucking reach to say they ''stole from the dead'' no? also how is that even related to the conversation

[fossil halo]

very rarely do i ever bother with claiming a band stole from one another

i usually hold an anti absolutist perspective on this stuff solely because of how many common tropes and ideas there are

[ripe trellis]

nor do I but considering Riley Gale was and still is the hardest fucker to come out of Texas since Dimebag I'm gonna call shit out when I see it lmao

[fossil halo]

it's inevitable that one band may make a riff that sounds similar to another, or a lyric, or a drum pattern

so on and so forth

now if we're talking 1:1 lyrics then sure, or a super similar strong structure

[ripe trellis]

Power Trip are not nobodies. monthly listeners don't mean shit when your frontman has been dead for 5 years.

[ripe trellis]

I mean drum patterns aren't really worth worrying about anyways bc everyone plays the same things

[fossil halo]

im just making a point

[ripe trellis]

riffs and lyrics are a lot easier to pick out as legitimate copies

[shadow zodiac]

I think the album is just so generic and mid it's honestly baffling how they even pulled it off

[fossil halo]

again you'd be surprised

[cedar delta]

you claimed they were the biggest crossover band since 2017 and thats just completely wrong and objectively false

you can like the band but we are straight up lying here

[shadow zodiac]

there is so much generic slop that modern day commentary YouTubers would be shitting themselves at the sight of

[fossil halo]

there's a shitload of 578 riffs out there that sound similar to one another but im not gonna claim anyone stole shit

[shadow zodiac]

and this album represents that

[ripe trellis]

unless you're straight up playing Bleed (which even then is a generic exercise that was used in a Van Halen song too) you're probably not copying drum parts

[shadow zodiac]

So I really do agree with Fantano on a lot of these points

especially in the generic department

[kindred salmon]

That's for sure an opinion

[ripe trellis]

I mean of the revival scene they absolutely were

[shadow zodiac]

but I really hated the rapping in this album cause it just ruined the flow of the song to an exponential degree

[ripe trellis]

the only bigger crossover band that comes to mind is Suicidal

[cedar delta]

maybe one we keep to ourselves

[fossil halo]

oh wow lol

okay i didnt see that, that's a trash take

in many ways.

[ripe trellis]

I mean their guitarist retweeted transphobic shit, that should not fly in a band so political lol

[cedar delta]

i just ignored it because it completely derails the entire conversation

[fossil halo]

and the drummer was pissed at him, but sam talked it over and it seems everyone is on the same page. courtney laplante also backed them up and she's well known to be left leaning.

[cedar delta]

the first thing that comes to mind for me is uninspired

it just feels lifeless

[kindred salmon]

Not per se, he retweeted because something else in that video, not because the transphobic stuff. So again, lmao

[shadow zodiac]

That was the moment when I got to Past Self

and then it festered

[ripe trellis]

okay but deleting everything and going silent about it for a year isn't a good look lol

[river turtle]

This is what I commented

[kindred salmon]

Anyways enough rage baiting and bad takes for me, time to sleep

[cedar delta]

how does this add to the sleep token discussion other then just rage baiting people

[shadow zodiac]

Wait waht???? did I miss something here?

[ripe trellis]

wah wah ragebait wah wah wah please FUCK learn a new word

[fossil halo]

it's not worth getting into lol

[ripe trellis]

having a different opinion isn't ragebait lol

[fossil halo]

i think it's about time i start to avoid this thread lol

[ripe trellis]

my bad let me just not point out when ur fav artist does something bad 🥀

[shadow zodiac]

Nah I'm curious

give me a brief synopsis

[ripe trellis]

I forgot this server glazes slaughter and dgd

[plucky lintel]

WTF HE ACTUALLY FUCKING SAID THAT XDDD

[fossil halo]

i dont

[plucky lintel]

i predicted the future

[fossil halo]

i hate stp and dgd lol

i dont even glaze architects

[cedar delta]

when did i say architects was my favorite artist

i was just saying i dont know why you're bringing this up

[fossil halo]

it was a completely pointless thing to say

[shadow zodiac]

STP is such mid deathcore I cant even fathom it ngl

[cedar delta]

other then trying to argue

[shadow zodiac]

STP's first 2 albums are the only good pieces of music the band ever really put out

Kostolom is so mid

[ripe trellis]

being mid by deathcore standards is like a 2/10 too 😭

[shadow zodiac]

and 2/6 of the new singles are only even worth listening to

[fossil halo]

viking is their best song ngl

but it's also the last song i heard from them until i dropped them completely lol

[shadow zodiac]

STP is literally just Alex just doing "Hey look at what kind of vocal I can do while writing some of the most cringe shit ever"

[ripe trellis]

if its anything like their old music if you've heard 1 you've heard all 6 singles lol

[ripe trellis]

darko moment

[fossil halo]

can we get back on topic here

[shadow zodiac]

KOD sucks, the breakdown for it sucks, the shitty zombie vocal he does in there before the breakdown was cringe.

[fossil halo]

sleep token sucks

[shadow zodiac]

Conflict was bad

[cedar delta]

i wont lie i fw the grooves alot but it gets old fast

[cedar delta]

take me back to eden is a billion times better then this tbh

[shadow zodiac]

It aint much like their older music I can tell you that one

[fossil halo]

100%

and tmbte also sucks

[cedar delta]

nah i dont think so

i quite like the record

[fossil halo]

erm

i do think so

[cedar delta]

it has shitty songs though

[fossil halo]

so you're wrong

idiot

[shadow zodiac]

Eden was like a 7 album

[ripe trellis]

I feel like of any djent album of the last 10 years this new sleep token is the best one lol

low bar though

[fossil halo]

...

[shadow zodiac]

The most I can say was that it was overhyped and overrated

[cedar delta]

RAGE BAIT RAGE BAIT RAGE BAIT

[shadow zodiac]

Hell no... This style djent is something a 2 year old can do on a guitar

[fossil halo]

you know what it's not even worth it lol

[shadow zodiac]

Every band does it

[ripe trellis]

eternal blue 🥀
periphery 5 🥀
sonder 🥀
whatever the last atb album was called 🥀

[cedar delta]

7.5/10 for me i liked it quite a bit and the good songs are really fucking good

[ripe trellis]

I never said it was good for the djent

[fossil halo]

bro what

evergreen absolutely DESTROYS this album

[cedar delta]

maybe an 8 if i relisten id have to see

[ripe trellis]

it's good for everything else but because it also meatrides that fuck ass genre to shit I might as well troll

[shadow zodiac]

I couldn't give it anything higher than a 7

[ripe trellis]

atb post justin lowe 🥀

[fossil halo]

sigh

i cant believe i fell for it.......................

[ripe trellis]

they're okay but not even a fraction of what they were on wolves within n shit

sonder is dogshit and periphery 5 was played out as fuck though

I will stand by those takes

[fossil halo]

im not even that crazy about pv and it was way better than this shit

id listen to PV 10 times before listening to EIA again

[cedar delta]

sonder as in the tessaract album?

[ripe trellis]

yea

[cedar delta]

https://tenor.com/view/ygzab-gif-234645574922708957

[fossil halo]

ryan who is your most favorite band

[ripe trellis]

if you want unoriginal I fear PV is where u go

[fossil halo]

i need to know right now

[ripe trellis]

envy

followed by meshuggah

followed by sigur ros

[fossil halo]

well. that's certainly a line up lol

[ripe trellis]

unironically I feel like ST are my favourite djentcore band just bc of the atmosphere

[covert juniper]

I am the farthest from a Disney adult lol

[cedar delta]

...sleep.....token?.....and.....djentcore?

[ripe trellis]

it's amazing how interesting an album can sound when it isn't brickwalled to shit by Adam Nolly Getbad or Will Chutney

[fossil halo]

djentcore...

[cedar delta]

djentcore.........

[fossil halo]

you have a very weird way of definining genres

because sleep token isnt even close to djentcore lol

they're no spiritbox or architects

[ripe trellis]

idk what else to call it man

[fossil halo]

prior to this album they were largely alternative metal

using djent tones doesnt automatically mean it's djentcore

[shadow zodiac]

Djent isn't a genre

[ripe trellis]

calling it djent is an insult to justin richardson era boo and calling it metalcore is basically me murdering kurt ballou by hand

[shadow zodiac]

and calling Sleep Token Djent is worse than saying that STP makes good music

[cedar delta]

bro named the 2 best producers in modern metal

[covert juniper]

This thread is just organic walls of text LMAO

Holy shit

Finally catching up

[tough valley]

Djent was ruined by people other than Meshuggah playing it

[ripe trellis]

alternative metal is lit like. the worst genre ever

alt rock too

[fossil halo]

are djent and core genres the only genres you're familiar with?

[shadow zodiac]

Yea you seeing my reaction to Fantano

[fossil halo]

holy fuck you just are a shitty take factory

LOL

im sorry but i had to say it

[ripe trellis]

no like

[tough valley]

sumerian records unironically killed metal

[ripe trellis]

it means NOTHING

[shadow zodiac]

That's funny... cause this album is literally alt metal

[fossil halo]

it's not smh

Toxicity by SOAD is an alt metal album

[tough valley]

toxicity is a nu metal album

[shadow zodiac]

I ALREADY EXPLAINED MY REASONING FOR IT ALRIGHT

[shadow zodiac]

No....

That is Nu-Metal

[ripe trellis]

and? it sounds nothing like eden whatsoever

[fossil halo]

nu metal...

[shadow zodiac]

Alt would be shit like Slipknot... a7x (for the most part)

[fossil halo]

we just namin things whatever we want now

[ripe trellis]

WHAT DO THES EBANDS HAVE IN COMMON MAN LIKE

[cedar delta]

do bad takes whisper to you like the green goblin mask

[ripe trellis]

WHAT DO FNM, AIC AND KORN HAVE IN COMMON

[shadow zodiac]

Because literally SOAD is a Nu Metal band

[fossil halo]

no they arent lmao

[ripe trellis]

FUCKING NOTHING

[fossil halo]

they have maybe 2 or 3 nu metal songs

[shadow zodiac]

what now, we gonna call Limp Bizkit Deathcore?

[ripe trellis]

unironically heavier than most of it tho

[fossil halo]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[shadow zodiac]

They really dont

and I don't even listen to SOAD as much

[covert juniper]

Thread is yappesville rn

[shadow zodiac]

but they are literally Nu Metal

[fossil halo]

then why are you claiming they're nu metal lol

[shadow zodiac]

same with how this is alt metal with pop and other fucking shitfluences

[ripe trellis]

nu metal is also a dire fucking term

[fossil halo]

they have very little nu metal songs

[ripe trellis]

ah yes let me compare spineshank and disturbed

[shadow zodiac]

Because I know them enough to call them Nu Metal

[ripe trellis]

two very similar bands

[covert juniper]

Leave BB outta this they are NOT nu metal

[shadow zodiac]

I've heard all their albums before

[ripe trellis]

yknow what let's throw soulfly in for fun

[shadow zodiac]

I just don't really listen to them as much

[ripe trellis]

no this is "alt metal"

[fossil halo]

if you've heard them all then you'd know that they're alt metal lol

[ripe trellis]

according to the internet

[fossil halo]

jesus this is insane

[ripe trellis]

nebulous fucking term

[fossil halo]

ryan i think you just dont understand music

like, at all

alternative metal isnt 1 specific sound

[cedar delta]

vore is sleep tokens best song and yall aint ready for that conversation

[ripe trellis]

at least if I buy a black metal album I know the dudes have thrown up a cheeky seig heil once or twice and can barely play their instruments

[fossil halo]

over hypnosis? idiot

[cedar delta]

tied

[shadow zodiac]

Then it must be both, because they literally make Nu Metal mixed in with all their stuff

maybe not the two songs in 2020

[fossil halo]

again they have maybe less than 10 nu metal songs

[shadow zodiac]

but throughout each their albums, there are a lot of Nu Metal elements

[ripe trellis]

if I buy a nu metal album it's either the sickest fucking album ever or some gimpy adidas wearing prick screaming over dubstep

[fossil halo]

ask anyone and they will tell you that soad is not a nu metal band

[cedar delta]

you might love linkin parks recent album

check it out

[fossil halo]

can you at least tell me the darker side of nonsense is the best nu metal album

tell me you think that album is good im begging

if you've even heard it lol

[ripe trellis]

over spineshanks debut?

mad

[shadow zodiac]

I literally live in a server where people glaze that band so much and even they say it's Nu-Metal

[cedar delta]

WHO?????

[fossil halo]

people misuse genre terms all the time

[ripe trellis]

"who" to spineshank 😭

newgen

[shadow zodiac]

Like... I know genre classification well enough to sit here and tell you that SOAD is nu-metal for most their discog

[fossil halo]

they listen to chop suey once and assume that soad is nu metal

fine you win

soad is nu metal

[cedar delta]

did brother just call me newgen because i dont listen to his favorite obscure metal band

nah im going for a walk

i cant

[ripe trellis]

okay so

do you know coal chamber

or drowning pool

or seether

[fossil halo]

i know seether

[cedar delta]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-ragebait-this-guy-iron-man-tony-stark-gif-3966857531535969686

[fossil halo]

that's it

[ripe trellis]

because spineshank was literally just as big as ANY of those bands

even mudvayne were barely that much bigger

calling a band obscure js cuz u don't know them is crazy

[fossil halo]

calling people newgen because they dont know a band is crazy

[ripe trellis]

I mean if ur joining a convo on what is and isn't nu metal then I'd expect someone to know nu metal beyond korn/lb/lp/soad/deftones 😭

[shadow zodiac]

Deftones has like 3 albums that would be considered Nu Metal

but the band for some reason hates that title

Rest of their stuff is alt

[ripe trellis]

to be fair they are also the weaker albums

rare 90s band that just got better

[shadow zodiac]

Adrenaline wasnt even shit?

[ripe trellis]

adrenaline is good but like

[shadow zodiac]

I had fun listening to it

[ripe trellis]

gore and kny r so much better

it's unreal how good gore is

[shadow zodiac]

Slipknot's first album was the only thing they made that was Nu Metal tho

They are alt

[fossil halo]

2, really

white pony had like, 2 nu metal songs

around the fur and adrenaline are def nu metal albums

[shadow zodiac]

I'm not really referring to White Pony tho

I know their first two album were Nu Metal 100%

[ripe trellis]

I feel like adrenaline would be much more enjoyable if glassjaw didn't exist

like it's a fine album but also worship and tribute is just adrenaline except wayyy better

[shadow zodiac]

Ohms was also a tad bit nu but I could be argued against it tbh

[shadow zodiac]

I hated listening to gore ngl

it was by far the weakest album

Like how the hell we go from Koi No Yokan to Gore??

[ripe trellis]

I feel like I would argue it is too but I listened to it once and forgot it exists 😭

[shadow zodiac]

Ohms just felt... there

I didn't really hate it but I really didn't like it much either

Still better than Gore tho

[ripe trellis]

Ohms had that antivax guitarist life savings marketing budget

I've never seen such a major album fall so flat on sales and discussion 😭

[shadow zodiac]

I know a lot of people who hated Saturday Night Wrist....

I honestly liked the album quite a bit

Tho... there was one track tho that was just...

idk why they ever put it on there

served 0 purpose

[ripe trellis]

snw has their best song but unfortunately everything that isn't pink cellphone sucks

it's like how darker still is irreparable dogshit but at least it has if a god could bleed

[tough valley]

i have asked people and they all told me that they are a nu metal band

perhaps they are “alternative nu-metal”

[rain nova]

Bra wtf are these lyrics
Yall asked us to read em so I did. Come on man

I thought I was a tad disappointed by machine head album this one takes the cake for disappointments of the year

[tough valley]

"Metal"
Basically indistinguishable from mainstream pop music

[open sapphire]

extremely low tuned guitars, punchy drums, and screaming

[tough valley]

Sleep Token is like maybe 10% djent 10% metalcore and the rest is a bunch of other bullshit, for every breakdown that Sleep Token has there's five rap verses over beats and not a guitar

[open sapphire]

10 is a bit low, but I get the point

[river turtle]

You guys are gonna love the new The Callous Daoboys record

It knows HOW to mix genres well

[shadow zodiac]

Yea it's dogshit

I don't even read lyrics unless I catch something that makes me want to read them

but I can hear them very loud and clear

and it SUCKS

Never let bro cook on a song like this again

[rain nova]

Bro has this weird ass obsession with this blonde chick he used to be in a duo group he wrote a 3 album trilogy about it. Idc if they are bangers. Thats weird af lololol.

[shadow zodiac]

WAIT WHAT

HUH

WHAT THE FUCK LORE WE GETTING INTO!?!?!

[vestal dune]

I think he's talking about ||Gemma Matthews of Blacklit Canopy||

[covert juniper]

AHAHAHA NO WAY THATS WHO SLEEP TOKEN HAS BEEN ABOUT ALL ALONG

[vestal dune]

i also cringed when i heard these

[covert juniper]

Is this true???

[vestal dune]

js tryna respect the fans that dont wnna know

oh i misread

ngl idk

i haven't looked that far into it personally

[kindred salmon]

Mistakes were made

[wanton kestrel]

...

I dunno whether to respect y'all's opinions or what XD

[wanton kestrel]

I mean... eh

I'm genuinely aight with that lol

They make the music they wanna make, and people enjoy their kind of music. I'm aight with that

insert mandatory WORSHIP here lol

[slender wren]

Fantano saying Metal for Disney adults was brutal ngl

[shadow zodiac]

The funniest, most disrespectful thing i ever heard in my life

[rustic delta]

BASED KOJIMA

[south mauve]

It is still unfathomable to me how people be praising Vessel and his lyrics when this shit exists

[rustic delta]

It's unfathomable to me how, despite people claiming that this album is a steaming pile of dogshit, ST has timeshare in everyone's heads for literally no money at all.

[jovial vale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRU9QI2xQhI&pp=0gcJCYsJAYcqIYzv

[fossil halo]

people like to talk about music, even if they dislike it

that's what these threads are for

[rustic delta]

People like to talk about things they like more, and I'm sure there's more that released recently than just this album.

[fast solstice]

Hes not even entirely wrong with that statement I won’t lie 💀

[fossil halo]

and people are allowed to talk about what they please to whatever extent they want

plus as far as I'm concerned, this album is gonna be relevant for a long time

[fast solstice]

real

how dare someone dislike an album and express their opinion on it

😱

[fossil halo]

it's by far the biggest release of the year

it's not unreasonable that people are still talking about it whether they dislike it or not

[river turtle]

Biggest release of the year so far

Y'all here should check out The Callous Daoboys new album when it drops tomorrow. If you want genre mixing done right, you'll love it

[fast solstice]

what other band as big as sleep token is dropping this year

[fossil halo]

as far as "metal" goes idk if there's gonna be a bigger release

[fast solstice]

Besides maybe BMTH doing a deluxe

[river turtle]

I suppose Lorna Shore would be the closest, maybe? Or StP?

[fossil halo]

they don't nearly have the popularity of sleep token

[fast solstice]

yea

[river turtle]

Metal-wise they are probably the closest

[fossil halo]

sleep token is nearing 10 million monthly, I don't think STP or ls are anywhere close

[river turtle]

I didn't say HOW close

[rustic delta]

Lorna hasn't hit a mil.

[river turtle]

Really, I thought they had

[fossil halo]

they have before back when pain remains released

they've gone down a little

[rustic delta]

StP is 1.3 mil.

[river turtle]

I remember when Emmure had 2 million monthly listeners

[rustic delta]

They also released Pain Remains in 2022 so it's been a while in terms of metal release cycles.

[fossil halo]

im just saying they have hit a mil before

[shadow zodiac]

And people are able to criticize those things they either like or hate. It's how opinions work

If someone wants to say this is good, then so be it. No one is going to stop them from doing that because it's their opinion

If someone wants to call this a monstrosity in music, they sure can

People are allowed to talk about things they like or hate

[rustic delta]

I don't care about that. I'm cool with that. It's the fact that people are letting this live rent free in their heads whereas I'd rather put my energy into things that are (imo) good.

I don't go into FIR or BMTH threads and complain to everyone how every song is dogshit.

[fossil halo]

it's like i said, it's what these threads are for lol

i shit all over this album because i considered myself a sleep token fan

so naturally im gonna be pretty pissed about it

[rustic delta]

Well..I guess have fun wallowing in your self-pity?

[shadow zodiac]

I shit all over this album because I think it's just bad

[rustic delta]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shadow zodiac]

well... mid to be exact

[fossil halo]

self pity?

how at all is this self pity LOL

it really just does seem like you're upset that we shit on this album

if you dont care, then why complain? if we wanna put our energy into other releases then we will (except nothing has really come out yet until tonight)

[shadow zodiac]

My effort will just go to the 10 albums that just magically drop tonight

[covert juniper]

You should put some effort into listening to oblivion

[shadow zodiac]

I put all my effort into the 145 albums i had to listen to all year

and many more to come

[covert juniper]

Good lord

145

[fast solstice]

it’s rly not that deep LOL 😭

No one is losing sleep cause they hate sleep tokens album

[shadow zodiac]

Never said it is

[fast solstice]

my bad

Responded to the wrong msg

[shadow zodiac]

Oop

[fast solstice]

Meant to respond to this

[ripe trellis]

nah

maybe at some point because they were dating but Eden especially is about some weird ass stalker girl he had

[covert juniper]

so tmbte is about him being stalked by someone

[ripe trellis]

not totally but songs like granite are definitely about it

[open sapphire]

amazing singer

[open sapphire]

hold tf up

oh nvm

WAIT

is that true💀 💀

[kindred salmon]

||i searched a video that surfaced up and ngl my biggest shock is that vessel is white||

[near vortex]

Yeah I 100% agree and the most cringe part is the russian lyrics, they don't make a sliver of sense and are ubearably edgy

It's just straight up painful to listen to

[vestal dune]

i haven't really looked into his love life that deeply, i just know she fit the description of being blonde and having been in a duo group with him

[zinc pagoda]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DJtCGsWtMEP/?igsh=OXRsdGQwZHd0NGdw

sleep_token

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Bro I think there’s gonna be another album soon

This is teased with Apple (the last was Spotify), and with the two houses it would make sense

But it’ll be wild if that’s the case

[hard steeple]

Ngl he cookin

[hollow crystal]

https://youtu.be/qxKKxxPzBfI?si=GW2YwRTXJ4NrD_uL

Found this dude making lightshows to ST songs, they’re CRAZY good

They should get him for the tour tbh

[lusty talon]

wheres emergence

[lusty talon]

objectively talking ''very alright vocalist'' i wouldnt really agree with, his vocal range is unfathomably insane, the highs he hit in Eden, like The Summoning and title track itself are insane, also his overall deep and full, warm vocal timbre is really nice and unique

his screams kinda lack true but thats because he does some weird kinda cool whisper scream layering ig

cant really name better clean vocals vocalists than vessel rn in modern music

[ripe trellis]

his highs are solid but painfully underutilised compared to the earlier stuff, but his melodies and his lower range are so weak imho

[ripe trellis]

I definitely can personally

I think Carson Pace puts a lot more energy into his voice, Einar Solberg is a level above in technique and melody, Lessard is also another vocalist where I feel his cleans are comparable to Vessel, except his screams are so so so much clearer

if everything was about technique then Erra would be the biggest band in metal and Steve Vai would be the most famous guitarist of all time, but instead it's Metallica and either Jimi Hendrix or David Gilmour depending on which side of the pond you're from

tbh I feel that Stefanie and Colin from Brutus and Amenra respectively are also much more enjoyable to listen to clean vocalists than Vessel, even if just for how they'd probably be bad vocalists traditionally but fit the music

[midnight path]

Gave in and added it later. I'd still not really miss the rap-bit.

Eventually also Dangerous

[jovial vale]

apparently this is the fastest selling metal/rock vinyl in the modern era (since 1991)

[cedar delta]

wouldnt really consider it metal

its got small moments its like 10% of the record

[midnight path]

P O S T D J E N T

It's a thing, we need to accept it

Bilmuri took country, added Dj0nt = success
Sleep Token took R&B, added Dj0nt = success

We've gone from bands taking Metalcore and adding Djent to anything with Djent. Djent is a cheatcode and we live in a post-djent world

[mystic nexus]

i blame periphery

[fast solstice]

Either that or Post Metalcore needs to become like an Acknowledged genre

[spice skiff]

For me it’s worship Metal

Or worshipcore

[midnight path]

BOO, Periphery, Tessaract, there are several names who decided to take djent and combine it with more mainstream sounds

[midnight path]

It's not just metalcore at this point. Metalcore was the first "victim" of post-djent

(Probably not in a negative way)

[ripe trellis]

periphery and bring me the horizon are the 2 most detrimental bands to modern metal

Periphery II and Sempiternal both came out around the same time and ever since then mainstream metal has just been getting less and less metal i find

[ripe trellis]

to be fair, BoO didn't do it until years after anyone else

back in the day they were just kinda djenty extremely technical deathcore

[midnight path]

That's the thing, right => The first step into post-djent is to combine meshuggah stuff with the more mainstream 'metal' genres of the day like 2000s metalcore or early deathcore. It spread first to the genres around it before now getting everyone.

[midnight path]

P3 is probably top 3 albums of the 2010s

[ripe trellis]

tbf deathcore, while a little popular, was NOT at all that big

[midnight path]

Sempiternal, hehe. But I feel like Djent + pop-like metal really took off with Holy Hell. Doomsday came out and then some 30-50% of all new releases these days make me say "It's like a brand new doomsday"

[ripe trellis]

it was just suicide silence really

ted maul, the red chord, jfac, carnifex, all went very un-noticed for quite a while

[midnight path]

Modern deathcore and old deathcore are two very distinct styles. If As Blood Runs Black came out today, nobody would call them deathcore, for example.

[ripe trellis]

ig

[ripe trellis]

yeah thats fair to say too

generally i just dislike how many "metalheads" dont actually like metal and only listen to shitty radio rock with screams

[midnight path]

Rockcore xD

[midnight path]

Everyone from Northlane to Spiritbox to Wage War to Alphawolf has a Doomsday song per album minimum

But everyone seems to love it

[ripe trellis]

i dont think you have to like everything but the amount of people coming into places proclaiming they love everything metal and then they've never even heard of Death, are completely oblivious to the existence of Carcass, don't even know what the fuck a Dio is and only know Mayhem as "oh that one suicide band" is insane

[midnight path]

People are allowed to be not old y'know

[ripe trellis]

i understand but like, those dudes are legendary

not even knowing Dio or Sabbath or Maiden should be criminal lmao

[midnight path]

Someone born in 2005 probably won't know someone who started in 1970, just like I don't know some rock or blues musicians from 1960

[ripe trellis]

you don't even have to listen to them or like them but not KNOWING them by name is diabolical

[midnight path]

Overrated

Metal is not some Master's Degree. It's just music that people listen to

That doesn't make it of course any less interesting that someone knows the history of metal and rock

I totally respect that

[ripe trellis]

i mean im born in 2005, it's not completely impossible to read a single page or two about the genre of music and learn about where it came from originally

[midnight path]

And I know it too because I used to be a massive Megadeth guy around 15 years ago

[midnight path]

What does that bring them?

[ripe trellis]

tbf though its just tourists like

anyone into bad omens now won't care about them or metal in 5 years time

[midnight path]

Like for me, metalcore is a music genre. I literally don't care about 'scene', 'culture', 'origins', etc. I just like the music

On reddit that's sacrilige

[sharp kernel]

y'all just don't wanna admit ronnie radke is the father of the new age of metal

vessel being the mother ofc

[midnight path]

Ah yes, Ronnie Radke, who gets his songs written by Tyler Smyth or Cody Quistad and just throws random rap on top of it with "36gy omg" lyrics

Really, it is Cody Quistad who deserves that title because he's basically taken Doomsday and polished Radiocore out of it - writing for his band Wage War + a number of other artists this exact style, from FIR to Memphis, to even adding random Radiocore breakdown bits in country artists' songs

[sharp kernel]

i don't think anyone from wag wag deserves that title tbh

[midnight path]

Deserves or not, Quistadbrew Radiocore is seemingly here to stay

[sharp kernel]

after this sleep token album i thinks theres gonna be way more of bands copying them

[midnight path]

Add to that the production - it's either the over-polished sound of Wizard Blood / Tyler Smyth / Zakk Cervini, the weird and sometimes questionably muddy sound of Carl Bown, or the 'everything melts into static' sound of Buster Odeholm. There's no individual sounds any more it feels like

I like Trivium's producer Josh Wilbur - he makes their albums sound rough and raw

[sharp kernel]

i thought the guy from ffaa did good production

will putney

[open sapphire]

dude just doesn't overproduce

[midnight path]

No, he also does 'raw vocal takes' with Matt Heafy to make sure they don't sound too polished and produced

Heafy even said Wilbur told him to purposely ignore being on pitch and just bring raw energy, and then used those takes

[ripe trellis]

fwiw wzrd bld is a very good producer lol

i feel like both him and zakk are very good producers, but they're typecast into specific sounding bands constantly

like look at the new knocked loose album, that's anything but polished and its wzrd bld

[vapid tendon]

what's the problem with overproducing

some bands songwriting fits more with overproduction than a rawer sounds and that's ok

image doom soundtracks without all the production

it would be just generic djent

you cannot like it and that's ok but it isn't a defect in most cases

[tough valley]

overproduction is far less common than people say it is but when it’s there it really messes up the music like on Opus Contra Naturam or the newest Ministry album

[midnight path]

Yeah there are tiers. For example, I find Within The Ruins to be so massively overproduced that even some AI generated music sounds more real sometimes.

[tough valley]

as I said before, Sumerian Records killed metalcore

most “Real” metal bands have good production but they’re not on popslop labels like Sumerian or Loma Vista

Nuclear Blast is the only Real Metal label that seems to have an overproduction problem

[midnight path]

Remember when the boss of Sumerian tried to pursuade Periphery to become buttcore and they left?

[tough valley]

fucking lmao

Seems like Veil of Maya caved into the pressure to become Slopcore

[river turtle]

Nah, they just became Periphery Lite or Diet Periphery

[shadow zodiac]

We declaring what "Real" metal is?

Love elitism

[dire furnace]

Y’all posers

Yall aren’t real metal fans

You guys don’t spin around really really fast and make me cool down 😦

[mystic nexus]

then they made their heaviest record since p1 immediately after

[keen egret]

I know I'm late to the party but might as well throw some words as I finally checked it out after seeing Nik's review.

I'ma be real, after Emergence and Damocles I was kinda bummed out about the album cause I was like "this is meh, it's pop asf" and while I didn't hate them they didn't sound new enough after TMBTE, and I'm kinda over that sound (tho I adore Caramel, top 5 best ST song of all time easily).

Look To Windward was sick, but it's too damn stretched out. It is a good opener and the best album track imo, but I personally find it daunting to go through the slow 2-3 minute 8 bit section at the beginning, even tho the rest of the song was amazing. It's beautiful in its entirety, I just can't listen to an over 6 minute song every single day.

Emergence was alright. It's a very checklist how-to-TMBTE-in-1-song track. Not bad but I'd just go listen to TMBTE instead.

Past Self...it's boring. I can see this being popular with the pop audience but I'm not into it at all.

I'm not sure how to feel about Dangerous, Provider, Damocles and Gethsemane. Damocles was what kinda turned me off from the album in the first place, but listening to it again I warmed up to it a bit more. It and the other songs from this pile were like "this is fine", they weren't bad but didn't grab me. I will say tho that I was kinda checking out and not really paying much attention towards the later half of the album so I might enjoy these more later on.

And then there's Infinite Baths, which was cool but I had the same gripes as I did with Look To Windward: it's too damn long. What I would love is if they split and rearranged the different parts of the songs to make more and shorter ones. I'd personally listen to them more in my day to day routine if they did that.

Overall, I don't hate this, but I don't love it either. I think part of that is the lyrical theme that's changed to a conflict between Vessel the character and the person behind the mask, which is compelling, but not very relatable to me personally. It doesn't have the novelty feel of TMBTE when that came out, but it's solid, and I'm actually happy that they blew up to the fucking stratosphere with it, cause that means even more bands will take them as a lesson for what works, what doesn't and apply it to whatever they're doing.

[midnight path]

Hi, Nik's alter ego

[midnight path]

P4 is a classic, but P3's still my goat

[ripe trellis]

i mean i suppose its down to personal preference but i dont think either LTW or IB are too long

admittedly to me a decent song is usually already 5 minutes anyways, LTB and IB are barely much extra on that

a lot of my favourites end up pushing even 15 to 20 minutes sometimes

i think sleep token would actually benefit from increasing their song lengths even

a lot of them are kinda just ideas mashed together, and even though arcadia is still a little more coherent it's still rough

[keen egret]

I agree, it's just preference, I'm not saying it's wrong to go for or anything, it's just that I mostly listen to my music when I'm taking a trip somewhere, so when the song goes for long I kinda get fatigued in a way, idk how to explain

[midnight path]

The world I come from, we have 3 hour live shows with < 10 songs. So these aren't long. Long songs with a good flow or well-stitched multiple acts are totally fine with me.

[ripe trellis]

yeah same basically

[keen egret]

they're very good songs if anything, but I feel like they're the kinda thing you'd have to put on, listen to and pay attention rather than just jam it in the background or something

[ripe trellis]

compared to like, boris or jaga jazzist or sigur ros or envy or limbs or white ward or great falls or mono or the ocean, sleep token aint got shit when it comes to length

[keen egret]

maybe I'm just too much of a zoomer for the long ahh tracks lol

[ripe trellis]

boris - flood is my favourite song ever and it's 70 minutes lmao

[midnight path]

That's the problem I have for example with TMBTE vs Caramel. TMBTE is a very long song, and with kind of overly drawn interludes, but at least it has 3 individual acts all resolving in their own way to a central point.

Caramel - and even Ascensionism - are like medleys created by a kid from 1995 using a casette recorder on a radio player.

[midnight path]

In Indian (Carnatic) Classical I've seen shows with 90 minute pieces with 6 words in their lyrics

[keen egret]

Caramel doesn't have that long of a feel to me, I can take it, and I love it anyway

[midnight path]

Vocal performance mind you

[ripe trellis]

i think for me its just mostly sleep token has no iteration like

there's an idea, and there's another idea

[keen egret]

tbh I have the same problem with length with Ascensionism and TMBTE, even The Summoning, that I was talking about

[ripe trellis]

they don't ever come back or expand on anything

[midnight path]

The rap section feels like (1) vessel ran out of ideas for melodies half way through (2) ran out of breath or forgot the lyrics and had to stop and hurriedly finish the verse up and get to the chorus, hoping we'd all forget.

Turns out we didn't forget, so randomly turn on the guitars "dum, dum dum" everyone loves it now

It's a bad song which unfortunately has ST's best chorus of their career

[ripe trellis]

a lot of monos best songs (mass murder refrain, kanata, requiem for hell, triptych, com(?) and everlasting light) basically only have one melodic motif that repeat for the whole length of the track in various ways

in kanatas case it's a straight piano melody for the whole 6 minutes, for MMR its a melody that hops between guitar, strings and piano and comes back in and out over the whole 74 minutes

[keen egret]

I mean I disagree, but I'm not gonna elaborate too much lol

I don't see the running out of breath thing, and it all seems more like a conscious creative choice that kinda fits the lyrical context

[midnight path]

Yeah, for me that's a bad creative choice or a sloppy wrap up.

I am become fantano? 😭

[keen egret]

not really, assuming you don't just shit all over literally everything left right and center lmao

[open sapphire]

this

people whine too much

jus enjoy the music

and it's literally easier to enjoy when the mix doesn't sound microwaved