#Sleep Token - Even In Arcadia (Album - May 9)

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fossil halo
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disagree with that, personally

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i think the summoning clears this entire album lol

full quiver
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i've listened to this album like 3 times but i dont remember any rap sections lol. i wouldnt call any of this rap, maybe the bit on emergence but there's too much melody and singing in his voice to call those faster parts rap

shadow zodiac
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Legit if Gethsemane ended at the 4:20 mark... the song would be very good

fossil halo
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this album def has a lot of rap sections

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vessel quite literally is rapping

shadow zodiac
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idrk how to describe it other than rap

fossil halo
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they arent rap songs

shadow zodiac
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This section doesnt fit with the song and just comes in out of nowhere

fossil halo
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but they're rap segments

shadow zodiac
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Welp

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that's one song they just up and ruined for me

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Thanks Sleep Token

cedar delta
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They did that so much lol

fossil halo
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yeah a lot of songs are like that for me

shadow zodiac
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It's what I'm saying

cedar delta
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This record just comes off as trying too hard

shadow zodiac
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They just do stupid shit that doesnt even need to happen to get clicks and attention

full quiver
shadow zodiac
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it's all a gimmick

shadow zodiac
cedar delta
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And the lyrics are just so corny

shadow zodiac
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Do some pop, make it heavy as a build up, and switch to something completely new near the end

cedar delta
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Huge step down from anything off take me back

shadow zodiac
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This band just farms clicks it seems

full quiver
fossil halo
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doesnt need to be fast to be rap

shadow zodiac
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And maybe that's just me being uneducated in rap cause I don't listen to it at all very much

fossil halo
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i grew up on it

shadow zodiac
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But from the rap I do know, it doesnt need to be fast to be considered rap

cedar delta
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I grew up with rap and theres certainly elements of rap here

full quiver
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yeah but he is quite literally singing, just over a trappy beat, but that doesnt make it rap

fossil halo
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sing rapping is a thing

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or rap singing, whatever you wanna call it

full quiver
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tf is rap singing

fossil halo
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take a wild guess lol

near vortex
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Like I said earlier
They all feel like a fucking puzzle with odd pieces that I need to identify and ignore just to come close to enjoying any of them

cedar delta
fossil halo
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all i want from sleep token is to just fucking commit to a genre already and stop doing this fusion shit because it's so boring and corny

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and it amounts to nothing

cedar delta
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Its not infused well at all

fossil halo
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im gonna give their next album a listen but if it's like this again im just gonna stop checking out new shit lol

full quiver
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yeah they should stop adding breakdowns and djenty guitars

shadow zodiac
cedar delta
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Just make vore again

near vortex
shadow zodiac
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Just make something fucking good

full quiver
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nah

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Vore was kinda ss

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ass

shadow zodiac
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Infinite Baths is good

cedar delta
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Their best song imo

fossil halo
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heavily disagree

shadow zodiac
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finally

fossil halo
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vore is a great song

shadow zodiac
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the best song on the album for last

near vortex
shadow zodiac
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Why couldn't Gethsemane just be good

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Why did they have to ruin it

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So

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10 songs, 3 songs I really enjoyed

full quiver
shadow zodiac
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2 songs that are close to being enjoyable with 1 being an exception until the end

fossil halo
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you can like it

shadow zodiac
oblique perch
shadow zodiac
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It just doesnt really belong

fossil halo
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it's just that in my eyes, it's super boring and i dont get what about it is appealing

shadow zodiac
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Yea

full quiver
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its vibey

shadow zodiac
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just finished this album

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my god

oblique perch
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if the first song on the album ended at like the 4:10 mark it would have been the fourth good song on the record

shadow zodiac
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I just can not understand what they were even trying to do with this

full quiver
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nice kinda head nodding part

fossil halo
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if we're talking about vibes and such, ive heard bands do it way better without infusing random heavy shit

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it just sounds so forced

shadow zodiac
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Yea it's vibe music, that's fine. It's just this is so far below what ST can even do

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It's just feels like most songs just had shit slapped together to "try" and make it more interesting to accomodate for some parts that were lacking

full quiver
shadow zodiac
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This whole album was just an attempt to capture moments of Eden that were memorable and good, and "improve" them but fails ultimately at doing it for the most part

fossil halo
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this hardly counts as a metal record imo

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even though i consider sleep token a metal band

full quiver
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yeah. thats why they should just get rid of the whole metal thing

near vortex
fossil halo
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yeah idk what you're on about ngl

fossil halo
near vortex
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I mean make that whole other track for those who enjoy that vibe

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I don't

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Make a track have a structure

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Don't just randomly put fucking anything u thought would sound cool into one

shadow zodiac
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Exactly

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if you put a seperate song in a song, just make its own track

near vortex
shadow zodiac
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you don't need to capitalize "oooh Le Genre-Switch because le funny hahaha TikTok"

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Because at that point it's just repetitive and ruins replayability if done wrong

rustic delta
near vortex
shadow zodiac
shadow zodiac
near vortex
shadow zodiac
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Yea

oblique perch
shadow zodiac
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my final score for this is like a stong 5

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3 good songs with 2 exceptions but they don't hold the same level as enjoyment as the 3 I did enjoy

near vortex
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Can't be bothered to rank this 💀

fossil halo
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it's a 2 for me

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barely anything about it i like

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far from the worst album ive heard, at least

oblique perch
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its like a 3-4/10 imo

cedar delta
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3/10

shadow zodiac
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It was gonna be a 4

near vortex
shadow zodiac
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That album does what Sleep Token tries to do, but so much better

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I always recommend it to people who love Sleep Token and 99% give it a very high rating

near vortex
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And the length surprisingly plays really well into the whole buildup and structure

shadow zodiac
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Exactly

near vortex
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While this album just feels extended and exaggerated for no apparent reason

shadow zodiac
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They don't just slap random shit and do random genre changes for the sake of keeping people on their toes. The build-up plays hand-in-hand to the whole song structure and the payoff is very well done

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Not to mention, it keeps that mysterious/ominous tone that ST tries to do but better

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It is LITERALLY the perfect Non-Sleep Token album

near vortex
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Truer words never spoken

shadow zodiac
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Not to mention, it doesnt overstay it's welcome

cedar delta
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Mid coin

near vortex
rustic delta
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Meanwhile it tells me exactly the opposite and what I need to ignore. CreepNik

near vortex
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Good for u

rustic delta
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Ok

near vortex
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I don't have any problems with someone having different tastes

rustic delta
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I don't either.

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Anyway 8/10 it's not as good as TMBTE was but at least it's better than Sundowning.

near vortex
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To each their own

midnight path
rustic delta
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Honestly I think people overglaze their earlier stuff.

near vortex
near vortex
rustic delta
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TPWBYT was when they started getting good.

full quiver
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crazy

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after that album they only got worse lol

near vortex
shadow zodiac
shadow zodiac
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Sundowning was great

shadow zodiac
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Idk what the theory is called, but it's like "first experience bias" or something

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You listen to an album from a band - any album, but for this case we can say newer - and it's in your eyes the best the band has written.

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But it's somewhat different than what the band usually makes

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So you hold that album to a higher standard than the rest

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Not saying everyone has that

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but it feels like it for some stuff

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Same logic applies to any media tho

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It's not something that's like super common, at least I hope it isnt, but it is something I do see a lot. It's all bias at the end of the day

rustic delta
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By that logic the same things happen with the people who start with their early stuff and get mad when their sound changes over time.

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Everyone likes what they like.

shadow zodiac
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It's just first experience bias

rustic delta
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I'm not mad. Just don't really care for any of their earlier stuff.

shadow zodiac
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It's like when people watch anime for the first time and start with demon slayer and get mad when other anime don't hold the same animation quality

rustic delta
zinc pagoda
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Personally, it the beauty of ST is being able to blend the genres so well.

And they didn’t do that here. It just jumps from rap to metal to chorus with no real blending. It just seems uninspired

shadow zodiac
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but at least they attempted to make it coherent

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like I said, they just slapped shit together in here

zinc pagoda
zinc pagoda
shadow zodiac
zinc pagoda
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Damocles is awesome, but that’s also a washed down version of Alkaline

shadow zodiac
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not just one song

zinc pagoda
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Bit of a shame because I was really excited

shadow zodiac
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I wasnt

zinc pagoda
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But this definitely fell short

shadow zodiac
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1/3 singles were good imo

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but that 1 single was not as good as some of the non singles

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3 songs were really only good and 2 exceptions

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In my honest eyes, this album is just here

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it doesnt really do anything different, or new

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it just exists

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not that it's complete horshit, or perfect

near vortex
shadow zodiac
near vortex
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Yep

shadow zodiac
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After Eden, then I went to their older stuff and found things that worked better

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But I do notice they end up recycling a lot of songs in their older albums

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Structure-wise and buildup-wise

near vortex
rustic delta
shadow zodiac
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It's what I mean by first experience bias

near vortex
rustic delta
shadow zodiac
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Hell, I wouldn't really be surprised if a lot of newer sleep token fans just end up not listening to their older works

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I grew up ignorant like that when I would only buy an album just to listen to one song

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and say I liked it

rustic delta
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It could be. My GF really liked TMBTE so I pushed her to listen to the older stuff and she felt about the same as me.

near vortex
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If the band is strictly a money making endeavor then yes, that would be stupid, however the problem with the latest album is the poor execution of their unique style that made em popular in the first place

shadow zodiac
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I agree with this

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Just not what really the band is capable of

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Not that it's a bad thing by any means

rustic delta
# near vortex That depends on their goal

The goal of most bands is to make money playing music they like. Unfortunately, if they change sounds and enjoy playing that they're not obligated to go back to making old-style works.

hard steeple
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I do think arcadia is just doing the eden ascensionism and summoning formulas over and over alot

rustic delta
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You can even take the money out of it and it's the same thing.

near vortex
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They can cater to the newer audience and improve on style blending at the same time btw

shadow zodiac
rustic delta
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Sure. But they made something they wanted to. It's not pointed to please you, or me, or anyone.

shadow zodiac
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They could literally combine both sounds and it would be so fucking good

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But they don't

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They refuse

rustic delta
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People forget the art portion of music. Artists generally make things that they like to make.

fossil halo
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i thought lotus was great, i didnt even bother with the new WD album though

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and i dont think i will

shadow zodiac
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Right, but sometimes getting suggestions helps improve shit a lot

near vortex
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I'll say it again. My biggest issue lies within the execution itself, not the actual change of overall style. They tried and they in my personal opinion failed, knowing what they did in the past, regardless of genre itself.

rustic delta
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All this to point out that I'm not saying you can't hate what they did, but they're gonna do what they want to do and that's the bottom line.

zinc pagoda
rustic delta
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If tomorrow Vessel decides to drop a Country album, more power to him. I'm not gonna follow it but it's gonna be what he wants.

near vortex
rustic delta
shadow zodiac
rustic delta
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Wasn't that their latest album?

shadow zodiac
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Ye

rustic delta
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I think I remember listening to one or two of those songs in Nik's stream and was like "...da fuck am I listening to?!"

near vortex
shadow zodiac
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Some of the worst prog i heard

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Honestly, lose respect for people when they resort to NFTs

rustic delta
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NFTs were the worst idea. Right click exists.

near vortex
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I mean, almost ANYTHING regarding NFT these days is just a cash grab

shadow zodiac
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Rev would be fucking pissed if he saw what the band was doing

hard steeple
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One day turbine will find out what metadata is

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But it is not this day

near vortex
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NFTs can be used for good, not a lotta people doing that tho

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Mostly scams.

shadow zodiac
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There is nothing good from NFTs

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That was never the point

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The whole purpose was to find a way to make money via something with Stock value

rustic delta
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I think there was some huge edge cases? But not for what they were trying to do with it.

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Same thing for AI right now.

hard steeple
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No

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Ai is not the same lmao

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Not even remotely

rustic delta
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Most of that shit is getting foisted onto everyone even though it's a good idea but for completely different reasons.

hard steeple
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Ai is being used literally everywhere in society and has been for like 20 years

shadow zodiac
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AI's purpose was to create something that would help benefit people

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The worst of AI just happens as an extra

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it's far from what the purpose of it was

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but the main thing was to give some form of sentience to machines to expand future practices

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I agree with the helpful side of AI, not the artistic side of it

rustic delta
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Most of the focus right now is on stupid shit like AI """""art""""" and junk like that.

hard steeple
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Anti-ai mfs when every traffic light on earth stops working

rustic delta
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Not things like using it to help detect patterns in tumors and things like that.

shadow zodiac
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like chatbots and shit

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not like AI with a purpose of one function

hard steeple
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Yea they’re used for so much good too

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Chatgpt is an actual godsend

shadow zodiac
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Comes in clutch with coding sometimes

hard steeple
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Student life has improved 100-fold with that shit

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I don’t need to spend 4 hours on stack overflow every time i get stuck anymore

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It’s amazing

near vortex
shadow zodiac
near vortex
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Also everyone thought that AI can take the really boring and repetitive work feom humans, but oh well here goes the artistic expression and creative things humans actually love doing

near vortex
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Mass adoption really didn't help

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Also now we r starting to have peoblems with AI scraping it's own flawed output from the web lmao

hard steeple
near vortex
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No one wants it to do creative things tho

hard steeple
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I think it has its uses

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Idk why an rpg hasn’t used it to make characters say your name

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Genius idea

near vortex
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It does, but it gets overused a lot

shadow zodiac
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coding is a different form

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cause you actually have to think about shit

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and sometimes you won't be able to get it without a bit of guidance

near vortex
shadow zodiac
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There's nothing illegal about it

hard steeple
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As long as you understand how it works and learned after using it

shadow zodiac
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You insert a name and it just says it

hard steeple
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Well

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It’d have to use the va voices

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And va firms have anti ai contracts

near vortex
shadow zodiac
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Right, but that's where you form the contract for THAT specific purpose alone

hard steeple
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I know

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But that doesnt exist rn

near vortex
shadow zodiac
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It wont be hard to really do

near vortex
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Who don't really want that

hard steeple
shadow zodiac
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if it states the exact thing it will do for that exact thing alone, then it should be fine

shadow zodiac
hard steeple
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The massive crashouts

shadow zodiac
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I mean for having AI usage for the specific purpose of just saying a name lol

hard steeple
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Paimon’s va screaming on tiktok like an idiot

shadow zodiac
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ohhh genshin

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already lost me

hard steeple
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Good video

near vortex
shadow zodiac
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But when you play games like RPGs, or make RPGs, the main goal is to make them as immersive as possible

near vortex
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Also there would 100% be some form of filtering

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Like u can't have actors voices say racist shit or slurs or smth like that

shadow zodiac
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It's not hard to just put a whole thing of blacklisted shit

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Games do it all the time

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Siege for example

hard steeple
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Well i dont need to be named nwordslayer69 either just use the regular chat filter games already have

shadow zodiac
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There's probably a shit ton of filter API's devs could use

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it's just most devs are lazy

hard steeple
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There is so many

shadow zodiac
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and deserve to be fired

hard steeple
shadow zodiac
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same here

hard steeple
shadow zodiac
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I'll gladly take a role a bungie

near vortex
shadow zodiac
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they are being sued by someone and since they lost their own "original content" because bungie are a bunch of fucking stupid idiots, cant even defend a case against them

shadow zodiac
near vortex
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Cuz u probably will be fired after Marathon releases

shadow zodiac
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I get to live out my dreams of being like Finn McKenty and scam so many people for the sake of money

near vortex
shadow zodiac
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Make me lead exec

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do as little as possible

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that's how Finn lived

near vortex
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Well

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That may work

near vortex
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BOOM GOT EM

hard steeple
shadow zodiac
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since I bought the base game to include all content that I spent on it

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If you got it free, you are shit out of luck

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But I spent money for a full game with all the content supposed to come with it, and nowwhere in the ToS that I signed did it state they would remove content such as base-game features at will

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so I can technically sue them for it

near vortex
lunar hatch
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Me. You really should listen to the full album again to refine your thoughts on it

Also me. Put Dangerous on repeat

tough valley
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yeah so apparently somebody said this about the album

shadow zodiac
dusky orbit
shadow zodiac
ripe trellis
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I think the lyrics are overall pretty cringe but provider and caramel are just so god awful

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I think the last 2 albums are just too direct lyrically

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especially with how the eps and sundowning are completely about vibes over substance and tbh I think that works for their sound more

cedar delta
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vessel isnt a good lyricist just say it how it is lol

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do NOT let bro cook

ripe trellis
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he's very literal and words things in ways that aren't very interesting or catchy, but so does every metalcore vocalist rn

shadow zodiac
ripe trellis
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this I will agree on

shadow zodiac
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bro WILL ruin the song

ripe trellis
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I don't even hate rap but like

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vessel is a metalcore logic

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it's so flavourless

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replace every vessel rap verse with an amine verse or vince staples verse and the album is fixed

fossil halo
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METALCORE LOGIC

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NOOOO

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LMAOOO

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that's so fucking accurate

shadow zodiac
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That's a crazy fucking statement

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and I agree

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Logic has some good stuff

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but majority is fucking bad

cedar delta
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logic has 2 good songs

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and 1 of them is carried by eminem

fossil halo
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gang related is good

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that's the only song i like from him lmao

covert juniper
shadow zodiac
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that whole section alone ruined that song's replayability for me

ripe trellis
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he's gotten better but also the bar was in hell

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gethsemane isn't songruining but tmbte is

shadow zodiac
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Would've been such a good song if it ended at 4:20 cause the fadeout was perfect

fossil halo
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nah gethsemane was ruined for me

shadow zodiac
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but he just kept going on

fossil halo
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the last leg of the song was so pointless

cedar delta
shadow zodiac
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Such a vibe til it got to there

cedar delta
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his rapping skills are non existent

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but they are soooo insistent on using them

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when it doesnt fit any of the songs even remotely

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its so forced

shadow zodiac
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At this point, he would've done more good by just putting Carti as a feature on that song

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both are not very good at rapping

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Like it pisses me off so much that it was added to the song

wispy trail
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Idk I enjoyed every song on here

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Also what a way to end the album

cedar delta
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i liked 2 and a half

fossil halo
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i liked 0 lol

shadow zodiac
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I liked 3

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and 2 were exceptional but they were not very good

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the one tho was Gethsemane

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only because the first half the song was good

cedar delta
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look to windward was almost good

shadow zodiac
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perfect ST

shadow zodiac
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but the rapping was more tolerable in that song

cedar delta
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alot of it is a nothing burger

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long for no reason

covert juniper
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like it or not tho a lot of people are about to discover metal cause of token

cedar delta
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yeah but i dont really care about that, i just want it to sound good

shadow zodiac
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but that's like the worst part of the people

fossil halo
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god listening to gethsemane just makes me more and more angry

shadow zodiac
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and not something very often

fossil halo
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that riff in the middle of the song is legit such a sick vibe

shadow zodiac
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At this point

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I'm just considering lowering the score

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because the more I go back to some stuff on this album, the more it just disappoints me of the potential it could've had

cedar delta
fossil halo
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it is what it is 😦

shadow zodiac
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Unlike eden... there was really only one song on that album I disliked a lot

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rest I was fine with

fossil halo
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DYWTYLM

shadow zodiac
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the ones on here are just so effortless

fossil halo
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was fucking awful

cedar delta
fossil halo
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every other song was at least fine, or genuinely really good

wispy trail
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I feel like most of why some people don't like this album that much is because of how tmbte was.
People overhyped the album thinking it would be better than it

shadow zodiac
cedar delta
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dywtylm and aqua regia

shadow zodiac
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the fucking verse or chorus in that song was just bad

fossil halo
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i actually dont mind aqua regia

cedar delta
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aqua regia used to be the worst sleep token song for me

shadow zodiac
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"auuqeaaa- Regeeea"

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I just hated that

cedar delta
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now provider is my least favorite

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or title track

shadow zodiac
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Provider was good musically

cedar delta
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lyrically and vocally it sucked imo

shadow zodiac
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the lyrics and the placement was just so fucking bad

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Like if I can notice the lyrics and what is being said, and it sounds cringe, then I just lose interest

fossil halo
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im hoping i can come back around to gethsemane at some point because genuinely the first 4 minutes are just great

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and i really wanna enjoy it more lol

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it's probably my favorite off the record even if i still wont put it in a playlist

shadow zodiac
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We need a ST edit were it's just redoing this album, but removing all the bad parts of it

fossil halo
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LOL

shadow zodiac
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so like the shitty forced rapping

cedar delta
shadow zodiac
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would bring the album down to about 45 minutes

fossil halo
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i can download an mp3, cut out the last portion of that song, make it fade out

cedar delta
fossil halo
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then ill put it in my local files

cedar delta
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lol

shadow zodiac
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Please

fossil halo
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im a genius

shadow zodiac
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please fucking do that

fossil halo
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LOL

shadow zodiac
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and post it on YouTube

fossil halo
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nah i would get fucked sideways if i posted it to youtube

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i could just share the mp3

shadow zodiac
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it's like what happened with that one DIW song where someone just reuploaded it but removed the rap section in the intro

cedar delta
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its look to windward -rapping basically

pulsar valve
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yeaah idk

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sounding kinda wack ngl

shadow zodiac
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"Even in Arcadia, but No Rapping"

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Would go so fucking hard

cedar delta
shadow zodiac
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Honestly tho

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would be like an 8 for me if there wasnt any rapping

pulsar valve
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out of the unreleased songs Dangerous had me hooked for a second

shadow zodiac
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I'm being deadass rn

pulsar valve
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then it just started to sound the same like the rest

shadow zodiac
wispy trail
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I'm realizing how much the "bad" parts are just things that are different from other things.
Do you guys hate it because you genuinely thought it was bad, or because it's different?

pulsar valve
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that breakdown at infinite baths tho

cedar delta
pulsar valve
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gonna queue up these songs at the radio lmao

shadow zodiac
pulsar valve
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surprise breakdown

shadow zodiac
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It's not that it's different

fossil halo
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also btw

shadow zodiac
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I fucking love shit like prog music and such

pulsar valve
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album is boring for me otherwise so far

fossil halo
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i would like sleep token to fucking STOP FADING OUT ON BREAKDOWNS GOD DAMN IT

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LET ME ENJOY THAT SHIT

cedar delta
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i like every genre used in this album but it was not fused well and the alt pop sections arent even good pop

shadow zodiac
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but there were parts that were so uncreative in this album and done so poorly that I can't help but dislike those parts

fossil halo
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it has to do with being generic and boring

shadow zodiac
cedar delta
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i dont like how people chalk it up to it being different when theres valid critique

open sapphire
shadow zodiac
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I gave my critiques earlier in this thread

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lemme go get em

fossil halo
cedar delta
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bro

shadow zodiac
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These are my final thoughts that imma copy-paste

It just feels like most songs just had shit slapped together to "try" and make it more interesting to accomodate for some parts that were lacking

This whole album was just an attempt to capture moments of Eden that were memorable and good, and "improve" them but fails ultimately at doing it for the most part
pulsar valve
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i just wish there was more like emergence

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best song out of the album

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halo 3 sounding ass saxophone outro is GOAT

wispy trail
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I kinda like Past Self more tbh

cedar delta
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my main points was everything feels super forced, nothing feels fluid or natural, its all gimmicks with no thought on how it should be infused

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alright thats enough of my anthony fantano ted talk, i really liked damocles and look to windward is growing on me

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aside from that this album was a big let down

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in every aspect

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not even comparing it to eden

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this just didnt work for me

cedar delta
fossil halo
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you know that clip in family guy where peter said he didnt like the godfather because "it insists upon itself"? literally this album lol

pulsar valve
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they played Emergence at the blackpool pleasure beach lol

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cunts left out the saxo bit tho

shadow zodiac
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but yea

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I agree KEKW

oblique perch
cedar delta
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august burns red is the best metalcore band ever

fossil halo
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agreed tbh

astral crane
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lol what a chart

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crazy

fossil halo
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unbelievably amazing song

oblique perch
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shit still gives me chills

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recently ive been in a bindge of metal with instruments that dont usually sound like they belong in metal, like in place of your halo from bfw, or the bowing technique in god fearing man from imminence

pulsar valve
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me vibing to the new caliban album instead

cedar delta
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caliban is so fucking good

fossil halo
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still need to listen to their new album

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and your spirit dies tbh

cedar delta
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yeah i havent yet

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but ive heard its great

fossil halo
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jesus christ it's been less than a day and this thread almost has as many message as the one for TMBTE LOL

fair verge
lunar hatch
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I just realized that Sleep Token and Imminence are on the same stage at Louder than Life. If they play Even in Arcadia and bring Eddie on for the violin, I may lose my mind

rustic delta
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That'll be awesome.

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I'm excited to see BB live for the second time and Spiritbox live too.

kindred salmon
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Especially since eddie would make the violin solo have more soul

obtuse turret
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4/10 imo

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songs are wayy to all over the place for my liking

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vessels vocals still jarring

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maybe one interesting riff

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overall tho itsa very well made bit of music, like the production and allat are amazing

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just not for me sadly

kindred salmon
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I mean, idk if anyone mentioned it prior, but they do be on a pop record label. So for the fans of that label, it's a nice gateway to metal. But i understand for sure why many people here don't like it

vague jackal
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as much as I didn't like the album, dangerous and the titletrack go really hard

obtuse turret
fossil halo
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i do too

obtuse turret
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peak

fossil halo
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i love indie pop the most

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glass animals my beloved

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and the hoosiers mochathinking

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chamber pop is cool too, especially The Family Crest

obtuse turret
fossil halo
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how to be a human being is probably in my top 10 favorite albums ever lol

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i had that shit on repeat for a long time

obtuse turret
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its so good bro

fossil halo
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mhm

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zaba too

crystal aurora
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I'm of two minds rly bc I felt like this when I first listened but I feel like there's also a rly manipulative undertone to it that makes it hit BAD for me 😭

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this being said I do flat out love Dangerous, def more so than Provider

dusky orbit
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I thought the album name was Event in Arcadia until nik said it last night

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And now I'm never gonna read it correctly the first time every again

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Infinite baths is fucking nasty

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The ending

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When the instruments went out and you just hear vessel🤩🤩🤩

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I hope infinite baths becomes one of the more popular album tracks

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Bro spit it out

frank lodge
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First song is amazing

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Second half of the album falls off hard

shadow zodiac
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Album was super mid

frank lodge
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Look to windward is probably the main song I'll go back to

shadow zodiac
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There's like 3 for me I'd go back to

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It would be 4... but they ruined the one song I wanted to like so much

void tangle
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It sounds like I am "commenting late" but I also would like to share my opinions on EIA:

Look to Windward: The synths and the vocal layering builds up to a whisper and an amazing release with the guitar and drums and mixing in w/the trap beats and a piano break and the end is just fantastic, goes hard (my fav one hands down)

Emergence: The first single, it feels so in tune with the revealing of the album, the bars seem like Vessel's into Dead Space (love it lol), the chorus slaps and a sexy sax solo to end (ranks third)

Past Self: Very poppy, barely feeling the transitions, and no drumming (my least favorite)

Dangerous: This is a pretty fun track, very dark trap beat turning into a chorus and reverbey guitars (not bad, somewhere in the middle)

Caramel: I agree so much w/Nik here, the Reggaeton beats transition into a Deafheaven-core song (and a friend disagreed hard w/me like, this ain't even close to Deafheaven at all bro) (decent, somewhere in the middle)

Even In Arcadia: Sleep Token released a piano score for it before release, it is a pretty piano melody, the additional instrumentation enhances it a little further, violin slaps(not bad, not bad, it's on the higher ups)

Provider: Sugar but better, quintessential Baddiecore right here, the trap beats transition into a really pretty chorus, good instrumentation, soft synths (I think it falls at second, really good)

Damocles: Piano ballad, really don't have much to say (Decent, somewhere in the middle)

Gethsemane: Giddy up this is a Jesus Christ Superstar cover (jk), goes very Math rocky (Decent, somewhere in the middle)

Infinite Baths: Closer to the album, goes soft with piano and vocals, leading up to a sick breakdown (probably top 4, on the higher ups)

frank lodge
shadow zodiac
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Oh gotcha

shadow zodiac
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It was going to be the best song for me

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Then Vessel ruined it with that shitty fucking rapping section

frank lodge
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Thought it'd be the vore counterpart

shadow zodiac
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nah

frank lodge
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It was not

shadow zodiac
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lost all every bit of form

frank lodge
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No vore sequel is criminal

shadow zodiac
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and replayability

frank lodge
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Imma be real as much as I sort of enjoyed this album to an extent, it's not a metal album

shadow zodiac
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I call it Alt Metal

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Most I can really say about it

frank lodge
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It's barely even alt metal

shadow zodiac
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Closest I can say about it

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Pop is a genre

frank lodge
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Fair

shadow zodiac
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but that's broad

frank lodge
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It's like pop metal almost

shadow zodiac
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could mean literally anything

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Pop metal , and so basically alt

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cause most alt is pop metal

frank lodge
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Fair

dire furnace
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This album is extreme death metal what you talking about

frank lodge
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Think it's gonna go number 20 for me

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Out of like 25 albums I've listened this year

void tangle
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This is like

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5

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so like

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125 in the list

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big spot

frank lodge
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125 albums this year already is insane

void tangle
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Gethsemane as a Vore sequel? That's a pretty interesting take

shadow zodiac
void tangle
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You got a lot of albums Organic wow

frank lodge
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How many of those have you listened to more than once

void tangle
shadow zodiac
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It means it's super duper mid

void tangle
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Oh 5 as a ranking

void tangle
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Thought it was like an albums ranked, not the album itself

shadow zodiac
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The score is effecting the rank

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so this being a 5 means it's pretty far below the overall list

void tangle
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Yeah

tough valley
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unironically cannot wait for fantano to rip into this album and make people seethe about it

shadow zodiac
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no forgiveness

vestal dune
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After watching Nik's reaction to Even In Arcadia live last night, I noticed one of his criticisms regarded the order of some of the tracks on the album. Specifically, with the title track, Even In Arcadia, sounding too intro-esque. I created a Spotify playlist that resequences the tracks based on his drunken hydrated observations:

  1. He stated the title track should've been the opener, so it now precedes Look To Windward as the opener
  2. He claimed Past Self was the "most boring" on the album, possibly because it includes rap flows over trap-like instrumentation, which the two neighboring tracks, Emergence and Dangerous, already feature. I moved this track to give it more room to breathe and also reduce the "samey" feel some of the tracks have when played as shipped
  3. He commented on the Euclid vibe of certain moments of Gethsemane (2:09-2:39), and we all know Euclid made for an exceptional closer to TMBTE, so it now replaces Infinite Baths as the closing track

TL;DR: based on Nik's reaction, I resequenced Even In Arcadia to open the album, moved Past Self for contrast, and placed Gethsemane at the end for a closer reminiscent of Euclid
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5WY6xnqjyEAWY6EPbmLd7N

Spotify
Even In Arcadia: Reordered
shadow zodiac
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I will pay you

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please

fossil halo
shadow zodiac
vestal dune
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I know some people got frustrated with how many rappy sections EiA had

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tbh my biggest gripe with the record was it closing with a 40s fadeout lmao

south mauve
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who´s starting the petition to release a no-rap cut of the album?

lone whale
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Only listened to the whole thing completely once yesterday and my fave non single was the title track. (fave single is Damocles)
I'm on my second listen rn and my initial feeling/opinion about Look To Windward that I had yesterday didn't change one bit: the first two minutes of that song annoy the hell outta me. Never had that with a Sleep Token song before... (not counting the Hey Ya cover here. That song was so damn overplayed on radio stations when I was a teen and I just hate it with my whole being lol)
So far, this album is a heavy grower for me. I like it overall, but literally all other 3 albums were instant favourites.

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Oh, and I think EIA is also their least cohesive work to date.

south mauve
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but also the slander to the beginning of Windward and not the latter half is wild to me

spice skiff
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I've enjoyed the Album, except Past self, title track and Provider.

lone whale
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On Provider rn and... yeah, also one of the songs I don't really like

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Maybe it'll grow on me, but idk

south mauve
lone whale
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Yeah, like I said, it's a weird song. I think I somewhat get why and that it's the intro, but it's not their best pick for that.
The Night Does Not Belong To God, Atlantic and Chokehold were much better intro songs imo

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(fight me LUL)

spice skiff
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I just hope this won't be their last work, after what Vessel and the whole Band in general had to endure from some a-hole people

ripe trellis
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it makes 0 sense for it to be like

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they just did a full arena tour in europe, they're making mad bank off merch sales and they also just signed to a major label

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sony wouldn't sign them if they were just doing 1 album

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personally i love the first 3 minutes of windward, it's a very post- structure, they did the same back on one then havent really done it since

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reminds me a lot of a song like TMOTONEL or Threads even, it's just a very og post-rock take on modern metal in a way

lone whale
midnight path
midnight path
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It's not like some pop artist who makes private millions from singles

ripe trellis
midnight path
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They probably make millions on the whole

ripe trellis
midnight path
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Distribute to production, record label, technicians, tour, other members, etc.

ripe trellis
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lets pretend they have like what? 100 crew members?

midnight path
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Just one single

ripe trellis
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average arena cap is like 20k roughly, they keep 90% of what they sell on tickets, which are sold at £50 on average for this last tour

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they're making like 10k per person per show if everyone gets equal split, which crew members wont

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presuming that they even have 100 crew, realistically its probably more like 40

midnight path
ripe trellis
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across 10 shows they've already made 100k, excluding merch

ripe trellis
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also opening acts dont usually make money from shows like this

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they get paid a fee by the main band or more often than not their label/agent

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they aren't seeing shit from tickets most likely

midnight path
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If nobody comes to see the main band

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No money to have openers

ripe trellis
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ticketmaster also very rarely take much of a cut if any at all

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thats why they have fees lol

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they're taking the £5 they add onto that £50, that 50 goes straight to the band with a very small part taken by the promoter

midnight path
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(Non UK I guess)

lone whale
ripe trellis
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eventim do have fees, at least in the UK

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they're worse than ticketmaster even

midnight path
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If the ticket price for a show is 50€ in Eventim I just pay 50€ in the end

ripe trellis
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i paid £7 in fees on a £10 ticket to see Unprocessed

midnight path
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I paid 45€ for a 45€ show to see WSS/Bury Tomorrow/Polaris triple header 🤣 no fees

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Was more than a year ago

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Even the recent Metallica / INK / etc. shows didn't have extra fees

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I didn't buy though

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Was some 220€

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cheapest

snow tulip
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I loved this album. Sleep Tokens best in my opinion

ripe trellis
midnight path
ripe trellis
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some places (seetickets, fatsoma) here include fees in the ticket cost

midnight path
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So the bands wouldn't see nearly 90% of that

ripe trellis
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last time i bought from eventim lmao

midnight path
lone whale
midnight path
# ripe trellis

Oh man. See Korn & Spiritbox:

No extra fees (went till checkout didn't pay). Just the fee mentioned.

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midnight path
lone whale
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Then I have one super focussed playlist: 1 song per band, very selective, only 20 tracks. That's my 'Comfort Playlist'.

lone whale
kindred salmon
midnight path
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The tracks that made it in are all a bit unexpected. E.g. Sleep Token - The Love You Want or Spiritbox - Secret Garden

lone whale
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(I'm gonna go eat lunch now.)

snow tulip
kindred salmon
snow tulip
lone whale
kindred salmon
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I think i can be able to tell most apart ig, since some are just a 180 compared to others

midnight path
kindred salmon
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Also provider is just mine but worse

midnight path
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My favourite track is Get the semen

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or whatever it's called

kindred salmon
snow tulip
midnight path
kindred salmon
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anyways time to listen to the album again for the 3rd time, this time on my headset instead of car

kindred salmon
lone whale
lone whale
kindred salmon
kindred salmon
tough valley
lone whale
lone whale
kindred salmon
dusky orbit
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Infinite baths, what sleep token fans need

lone whale
# kindred salmon ironically when reading this i was on that exact part in emergence <:LUL:7802309...

Haha, nice :D

maybe because the ''will you hold this eclipse in me'' is more drawn out, slower and repetitive and not as interesting anymore after the first 20 times he said it
Exactly. It's too repetitive. Repeating lyrics can have/create a great effect or atmosphere, but in this case... it just didn't, sadly 🤷‍♀️

Ascensionism and Rain are still my faves from TMBTE blesselAnd Euclid. Those three are sharing the no. 1 spot for that album :D

kindred salmon
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maybe stockholm syndrome will kick in after a while and i'll like it again LUL

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also great picks for favo's

lone whale
kindred salmon
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mine are probably ascenionism, the appiration and rain

kindred salmon
lone whale
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Ooh yeah, The Apparition. Love that one as well 🤌

lone whale
kindred salmon
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actually imma queue it again, see if my opinion changed

lone whale
kindred salmon
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ngl idk what i would consider as my #1 so far, i'd imagine it would've been this, but while very good, idk if i'd call it album of the year anymore...

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ig either the return of the black or the sky, the earth and all between

frank lodge
kindred salmon
frank lodge
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its my aoty so far by a long shot

fossil halo
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mine is still whitechapel

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only bands I can think of that can possibly dethrone them is FFAK or Orbit Culture

lone whale
lone whale
kindred salmon
kindred salmon
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and ye architects my beloved, can't wait to see them again in october

vague jackal
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aoty is still easily mirar

lone whale
lone whale
kindred salmon
vague jackal
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acres up there too

kindred salmon
kindred salmon
tough valley
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instrumentals only work as interludes or intro/outro tracks

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anything else just feels like something is missing

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(the vocals are missing)

kindred salmon
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like i'd kill for an imminence instrumental album where the focus is heavy on violin and atmosphere

lone whale
lone whale
tough valley
fossil halo
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not for me

tough valley
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I don’t actually keep track of album scores out of 10 per se

open sapphire
tough valley
# open sapphire like

Cytotoxin
Killswitch Engage
Bleeding Through
Heaven Shall Burn
Shadow of Intent
And Oceans
Rivers of Nihil
Gaahls Wyrd
Katatonia
Byzantine
Deadguy
Nightfall
(Especially these four)
Behemoth
Cryptopsy
Allegaeon
Imperial Triumphant

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Are the ones that I can remember

fossil halo
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kse sucked lol

open sapphire
tough valley
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Tbh I could probably take off the first two

open sapphire
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soi might dethronw

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we'll see

tough valley
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Those are all the releases that I’ve registered as being heavy enough to keep track of

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Also Candlemass and Full of Hell rleeased EPs

kindred salmon
tough valley
lone whale
# kindred salmon le noir after the black hits so well, you get the emotion in the black and then ...

le noir after the black hits so well, you get the emotion in the black and then it just hits you with a melancholic violin with even more emotion. i love all 3 of the album ngl
💯
(we don't talk about la douleur qui est sans fin since that is just ambience that was used for the show turned into a song)
Oh, didn't know that tbh. Since I've never been to one of their shows. (or any show ever)

l'appel du vide is a beautiful song for sure 🤌

tough valley
loud pecan
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What do we think of the ending of infinite baths

kindred salmon
fossil halo
kindred salmon
kindred salmon
lone whale
lone whale
kindred salmon
kindred salmon
lone whale
lone whale
kindred salmon
kindred salmon
lone whale
# kindred salmon oof ye V.A.N. really had to grow on me as well (especially since back then i wan...

especially since back then i wanted nothing to do with bad omens
I'm gonna assume that was because of the foul and rotten-to-the-core part of the fanbase, amirite? LUL
But it's great that you checked them out and like them now :D

As for Poppy... I really don't like her screams/harsh vocals. At least in V.A.N; that still hasn't changed. Are there many screams on said album? 'Cause I kinda wanted to check it out tbh

kindred salmon
# lone whale > especially since back then i wanted nothing to do with bad omens I'm gonna *as...

hitting the hammer on the head! same reason why i especially don't want anything to do with deftones. but ngl when you recommended death of peace of mind i gave them another chance and welp, now i listen to it quite a lot LUL

and same-ish with poppy, i love that she does screams and keeps improving, but it depends heavily on the rest of the song and the context of the screams. like for example i'm less of a fan of her screams in the collab with babymetal, but on suffocate or center's falling out i love it. do really recommend it though, especially since i know you also love pop music (album really is a bit of a hybrid)

lone whale
# kindred salmon hitting the hammer on the head! same reason why i especially don't want anything...

Oh shit xD I kinda hate that I was right tho, cause those horrible people might keep others from discovering great music/bands. I generally hate that a few rotten apples always have to ruin things for everyone. Not only in music. ||(gotta admit: I also have a huge crush on Noah, but I don't write disgusting Tweets about that fact)||

but ngl when you recommended death of peace of mind i gave them another chance and welp, now i listen to it quite a lot LUL
Yay :D Have you checked out the Finding God album as well? (especially the deluxe version?)

I only heard bits of the Babymetal collab here and there (mainly on Insta) and I already didn't like those 😅 But I don't like Babymetal and therefore don't listen to them, so that's that lol

since i know you also love pop music (album really is a bit of a hybrid)
some pop music/artists. Gotta specify here haha
But then I might actually give the album a spin :D

kindred salmon
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but ye it is what it is, same thing as well with ST fanbase tbh, there are also some very... interesting people....

frank lodge
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Its so good

kindred salmon
# lone whale Oh shit xD I kinda hate that I was right tho, cause those horrible people might ...

Yay 😄 Have you checked out the Finding God album as well? (especially the deluxe version?)
bits and pieces, sometimes a song or two from that album slips into my autoplay queue's
I only heard bits of the Babymetal collab here and there (mainly on Insta) and I already didn't like those 😅 But I don't like Babymetal and therefore don't listen to them, so that's that lol
that's fair, i mostly listen to it because i'll see both babymetal and poppy tuesday (with bambiethug), but ngl there are some bangers in babymetal's catalogue (especially bekhauf with bloodywood, RATATATA with EC and pa pa ya)
some pop music/artists. Gotta specify here haha
okaay ye fair LUL

kindred salmon
# frank lodge Its so good

if i had to summarize it, i'd say like a full spectrum with on one hand really energetic, like audial coke to anime ost metalcore to emotional metalcore (also coming quite close with some songs to imminence with the violin)

lone whale
lone whale
lone whale
# kindred salmon > Yay 😄 Have you checked out the Finding God album as well? (especially the del...

That album is one of my comfort albums; if not the biggest. The opening track alone is SO damn good 🤌

that's fair, i mostly listen to it because i'll see both babymetal and poppy tuesday (with bambiethug), but ngl there are some bangers in babymetal's catalogue (especially bekhauf with bloodywood, RATATATA with EC and pa pa ya)
Oh, have fun!
I also heard bits of RATATATA on Insta and same thing: Didn't like it at all 🤷‍♀️
okaay ye fair LUL
growing up listening to basic white girl pop left it's marks for sure, but nowadays I'm picky with my pop artists xD
But some of the ones I listened to back then never left the rotation to this day :D

kindred salmon
# lone whale Sadly, yes. I feel so sorry for all these band members getting se-ualized by som...

indeed, kinda fucked up if it gets to a point where you have to stop certain things to just basically live normally (as normal for a popular band member can be atleast). like if it gets to a point where poor vessel has to basically write a whole song about it to basically say ''stop it weirdo's, lemme live my life'' it's bad
but to play devil's advocate and then to also counter that again... both bands do write horncore music, with pretty explicit lyrics. but that indeed ofc doesn't mean they are meant towards the fans, but ofc towards a person/persons in their own life that inspire those lyrics

midnight path
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The vocals at the end of Gethsemane has huge AR Rahman vibes if anyone knows him

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Excellent song.

kindred salmon
# lone whale That album is one of my comfort albums; if not the biggest. The opening track al...

That album is one of my comfort albums; if not the biggest. The opening track alone is SO damn good 🤌
ah okaay, will for sure put it on whole once then

Oh, have fun!
I also heard bits of RATATATA on Insta and same thing: Didn't like it at all 🤷‍♀️
thank you! and yes fair, it's for sure EC coded

growing up listening to basic white girl pop left it's marks for sure, but nowadays I'm picky with my pop artists xD
But some of the ones I listened to back then never left the rotation to this day 😄
understandable, same tbh. like if i had to say the most recent pop artist i'd listen some songs of, is sabrina carpenter. but older ones like p!nk that still is going strong is still very good and going strong. oh and bastille is still my favo of all time as well. also curious now which artists are in your rotation still then

lone whale
kindred salmon
midnight path
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Vessel always gave me a bit of ARR vibes in the upper registers

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But this song, and that bit

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So ARR

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I felt like I was listening to something from my childhood or youth again

lone whale
# kindred salmon > That album is one of my comfort albums; if not the biggest. The opening track ...

ah okaay, will for sure put it on whole once then
Nice :D I hope you're gonna like it 🤞

thank you! and yes fair, it's for sure EC coded
Of course!
Yep, and that makes two bands on one song that i don't like/listen to 😅

understandable, same tbh. like if i had to say the most recent pop artist i'd listen some songs of, is sabrina carpenter. but older ones like p!nk that still is going strong is still very good and going strong. oh and bastille is still my favo of all time as well. also curious now which artists are in your rotation still then
Oof, I've heard parts of different songs from her and... yeah, let's just say: Thanks, but no thanks lol Her voice/pitch is wayy too high for me to enjoy.
P!nk is a goddamn queen; LOVE her ❤️ And I remember really liking some songs from Bastille that were on radio stations like... 10+ years ago. I need to check their discog out fr.
Two artists from back then that come to my mind rn would be Hurts and Ed Sheeran. Though, I didn't like one song from him after the Divide album. (with the exception of the Bring Me feature and Celestial)
And P!nk as well :)

kindred salmon
# lone whale > ah okaay, will for sure put it on whole once then Nice :D I hope you're gonna ...

ye sabrina is quite on the high register, but what sold me was honestly the video clip of taste, a psycho horror videoclip with quite some explicit gore and only other 2 i listen to is please please please and espresso.
not that familiar with hurts (atleast from name), but clicked on Stay and got hit with nostalgia of a ''holy shit it's this song'' moment. and ed sheeran is an all time classic, not that familiar with most albums, but i probably have heard the singles atleast once (celestial and bad habits BMTH collab are indeed very amazing)
as for bastille songs, i can send you some if you want

dusky orbit
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Who wants to go with me to the Event In Arcadia

kindred salmon
dusky orbit
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It's in Arcadia

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Bruh

kindred salmon
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cause i for sure will go to the amsterdam one

dusky orbit
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What

open sapphire
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there are events

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?

kindred salmon
open sapphire
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what💀

dusky orbit
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...

lone whale
# kindred salmon ye sabrina is quite on the high register, but what sold me was honestly the vide...

and only other 2 i listen to is please please please and espresso.
Those are the songs I have (kinda) heard; at least pieces of them. And i haate them OMEGALUL Such stupid lyrics lol (happy for you tho that you like them :D)
not that familiar with hurts (atleast from name), but clicked on Stay and got hit with nostalgia of a ''holy shit it's this song'' moment.
Haha, yeah, Stay is that song for them. I heavily recommend you to check out the album Exile (Deluxe). It's their darkest record lyrically and I bet you'll love the synths in there :D (it's also my fave album from them)
and ed sheeran is an all time classic, not that familiar with most albums, but i probably have heard the singles atleast once (celestial and bad habits BMTH collab are indeed very amazing)
He is. I've listened to "Plus" wayyy back then (might have to go back to it sometime), "X (Deluxe Edition)" and "Divide", both normal and deluxe version, and got the last two on CD actually (Yaay, it's nice that you like Celestial as well PES_Happy)
as for bastille songs, i can send you some if you want
All good haha. I'm just gonna do a deep dive into their discog

kindred salmon
# lone whale > and only other 2 i listen to is please please please and espresso. Those are t...

Those are the songs I have (kinda) heard; at least pieces of them. And i haate them :OMEGALUL: Such stupid lyrics lol (happy for you tho that you like them :D)
oh lyrically they absolutely are, just basically jealous ex lyrics, but then girlbossified. it's just ''easy to listen to'' to have it in the bg f.e.
I heavily recommend you to check out the album Exile (Deluxe). It's their darkest record lyrically and I bet you'll love the synths in there 😄 (it's also my fave album from them)
interesting, indeed piques my interest from the sound of that. will take a listen
I've listened to "Plus" wayyy back then (might have to go back to it sometime), "X (Deluxe Edition)" and "Divide", both normal and deluxe version, and got the last two on CD actually
might check those as well, don't think i ever even listened to an ed sheeran album fully and hell ye on physical copies, gotta be the best kind

open sapphire
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am I stupid why are there so many lines in these messages

dusky orbit
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They're using quotes instead of reply

ripe trellis
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okay so after a relisten

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sleep token need to cut out the rap. they also need to cut out the metal

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this band are genuinely doing some really cool things that I haven't heard in quite this way and then they ruin it by instantly shifting into a wall of guitars paired with loud vocals and obnoxiously processed metal drums

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it feels like they're actively choking themselves out by diverging into these really cool and engaging yet not present ideas instrumentally but then they get scared that you'll lose interest and kinda slap a loud guitar onto it to make it "interesting" even though imho it just kills the vibes

fossil halo
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i think Gethsemane is a sound they should explore more

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minus the rap section at the end lol

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but the first 4 minutes legitimately are amazing

shadow zodiac
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I think they should remove the fucking shitty ass rap at the end

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It's like creating a wonderful art piece and then take a massive shit on it

rustic delta
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I think we should get a full length of that. CreepNik

shadow zodiac
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Means I can skip it hey

shadow zodiac
covert juniper
fossil halo
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soi does have a chance

rustic delta
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Not as much as Orbit Culture.

fossil halo
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for me it can go either way

shadow zodiac
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Soi definitely has a chance

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But is it beating Dexcore?

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I don't think so

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It's gonna take A LOT

fossil halo
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i dont even think dexcore is in my top 5

shadow zodiac
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It just swept the ranks for me

fossil halo
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i do really like it, has some of my fav songs this year not counting the singles

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some songs were kinda lagging behind the others though

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no song is bad

ripe trellis
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bleeding through, mclusky, imperial triumphant are already better than whitechapel by far

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honestly I'd say sleep token probs better than whitechapel lmao

fossil halo
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yikes

ripe trellis
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deadguy genuinely is just album of the year though

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I got the chance to hear those tracks live and they fucking rip

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better than dillinger, arguably even better than most of what botch put out

sharp kernel
tough valley
tough valley
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Ngl seeing people glaze SOI and Whitechapel kind of reinforces my standpoint that most people who listen to core overrate core bands just for being core

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The singles off of both of those albums actually seem like the worst tracks except for maybe Meatgrinder

fossil halo
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what

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care to explain how i fit in that category lol

cedar delta
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i dont think ive seen anyone complain about it not being core enough (maybe im blind though)

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its not the reason i have my complaints

fossil halo
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also if you're saying the only reason people like them is because it's deathcore, and if it wasnt it'd be not as well received, the album Elegy by Shadow Of Intent isnt a Deathcore album

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and it's probably their most well received record

cedar delta
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theres pop sections i really enjoy with this record

hushed vortex
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i tend to stay away from big threads regarding specific bands because they turn into a cesspool, but these takes are fucking wild. not only are you judging an UNRELEASED album based on 2 singles, but you're equating anyone who likes it to a person who only listens to it for the sake of it because lits core" and trying to correlate it to why people don't like Sleep Token. putting bands like SOI and Whitechapel in that category is laughable.

fossil halo
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also "seem like the worst tracks" implies you've not listened to the whitechapel album lol

hushed vortex
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hi Zeph

mystic nexus
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this sorta talk deserves to be done to lorna of all bands

fossil halo
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i actually agree with that lol

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i personally find lorna beyond overrated. at least shadow of intent and whitechapel are changing up constantly and keeping things fresh

south mortar
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ngl the rap part feels like cockblocking the actual enjoyable stuffs

shadow zodiac
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huh

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whut

hushed vortex
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i actually think no bands deserve it, because we all like what we like and music is subjective. but its always hilarious when anything gaining notoriety (couldn't think of a better word) gets labeled as overrated solely because its gaining notoriety and/or it isn't something we care for

fossil halo
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im certainly not calling them overrated for being popular

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but im also not gonna sit here and say the only reason why people like lorna is because they're deathcore

shadow zodiac
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That "Core" thing is the most elitist shit ever

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good lord

fossil halo
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mhm lol

hushed vortex
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i didn't mean you specifically lol

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this is really all based off the comments further up from others

shadow zodiac
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I mean... I call Sleep Token overrated because I just find them to be overly glazed

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Overhyped and Overrated

fossil halo
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metalcore and deathcore in general are typically more appealing to the general masses, and there's nothing wrong with that. the thing is, if there were other metal genres that were more popular than -core ones, it'd be the same thing. like for the sake of argument lets just say brutal death metal had way more staying power, people would say "people glaze this because it's brutal death metal and not anything else"

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it's a stupid argument

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it's nothing but elitist bullshit

shadow zodiac
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I tend to find more core-related stuff in the end

mystic nexus
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instagram commenters manage to say this

shadow zodiac
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But the only thing is that I actively try to find new genres and explore certain ones more than I do for core-related ones

fossil halo
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i consider myself a corekid but im not gonna automatically kiss the ass of a band just because they're metalcore or deathcore lol

shadow zodiac
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Like, BM has been the biggest thing I explored all year and last

fossil halo
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there's a number of core bands i dislike or downright hate

shadow zodiac
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and ended up finding a lot of cool ahh shit I share with yall in this server

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Just to get more bands and names out there lol

fossil halo
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im in that same boat, lately ive really been widening my horizons with metal

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ive really been into alt metal lately

mystic nexus
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i like deathcore but i find a lot of bands uninteresting

fossil halo
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something about that shit just hits right

fossil halo
shadow zodiac
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I mean lets look at it this way

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a fair bit of deathcore on this aoty list is ranked somewhere between 7-10

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depending

hushed vortex
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i overall listen to more deathcore than anything else but my AOTY (thus far) is tech death

shadow zodiac
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But it's also fairly balanced throughout the list since there's about 23 deathcore bands on there out of 143 bands overall

mystic nexus
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tech death is my favorite genre just because its just consistiently cool

hushed vortex
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didn't know they still made music

shadow zodiac
hushed vortex
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no lmfao

shadow zodiac
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the album was ass anyways

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it did literally nothing and everything at the same time

mystic nexus
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would you say it was muddy

hushed vortex
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like a puddle

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ight i'll see myself out

shadow zodiac
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I'd say it's chopped ngl

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Puddle of Chopped

south mortar
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puddle of mudd placed on a puddle of mud

fossil halo
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as far as non-core oriented genres go, melodic death metal is probably my personal fav

shadow zodiac
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I look at it this way

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Top 50 I have like 12 Deathcore related bands

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10 for metalcore

fossil halo
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god damn

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handing out 10s like they're candy

shadow zodiac
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17 for black-related which includes blackened stuff

mystic nexus
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allegaeon is fun

river turtle
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Kardashev is Blackened?

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I thought the term was Deathgaze

shadow zodiac
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25 death metal related

hushed vortex
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i think of them as prog death metal but

cedar delta
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allegaeon was great

river turtle
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Allegaeon was peak

shadow zodiac
river turtle
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Hmm

shadow zodiac
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I know from their other album a couple years ago it's a bit more prominant

fossil halo
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isnt blackened more related to the mix

shadow zodiac
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but it can

river turtle
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Liminal Rites is magical

shadow zodiac
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What would make something blackened would mainly be the atmosphere and how the song structure is

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and what kind of influence it takes from anything black metal related

river turtle
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I was going to listen to Kardashev with my partner, but we broke up before that could happen

shadow zodiac
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The only thing about kardashev is that they don't have breakdowns

fossil halo
shadow zodiac
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at least not what I can tell from the album

river turtle
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But thank you for the post, now I remember I still need to listen to them

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Allegaeon is still at the top of my list, let's see if it gets dethroned

shadow zodiac
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Dexcore is gonna be there for a long while

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It's going to be insanely hard to dethrone that

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Sold Soul got very close but it lost me a bit near the end

river turtle
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I still don't remember what my ranking for Your Spirit Dies was ultimately

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That album was peak though

tough valley
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As for the singles comment, Visceral Retch is just flat out the worst track on that album, and the breakdowns on the title track feel phoned in

hushed vortex
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i agree about the title track

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but also

covert juniper
hushed vortex
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how did you like it but then say people only like it because its overrated core

tough valley
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It’s good but I still feel like it’s getting glazed

covert juniper
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if anything i like shadows more death metal songs then core songs

tough valley
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As in, people think it’s untouchable as AOTY with in actuality the competition for it is really fucking tight