Darko US - Starfire

[azure siren]

Teardrop Sunshine is so good, by far my favorite song

[severe wagon]

I was trying to come into chat to tell nik not to get horny but it was too late

[raven plaza]

this was interesting

probably not gonna be aoty but it's a good one

i really like the song with garrett

is darko a touring band? it would be cool to see some of these songs live

[versed leaf]

they don't tour

[vague creek]

Tom said they might eventually be live, but only one show. He said it would be like everyone puts their phones away and they would make as crazy of a show as possible

[raven plaza]

interesting

i didn't think they were touring but that actually sounds fascinating

i wonder where it would be

[vague creek]

Prolly Florida

That’s where they live

[raven plaza]

ah

considering their sound that makes sense

[vague creek]

I would love to see them live, I wonder if they would play backing tracks for guitar or drums ( since baby j does the whole instrumental)

[raven plaza]

i'd guess either that or they get a couple temporary musicians to play on stage with them

[vague creek]

Maybe

[jovial zenith]

Baby J can just play all instruments at once

[vague creek]

He’s just like that

[raven plaza]

tom does all the instrumentals and also vocals and baby j just stands there

[vague creek]

Judging by the side

[raven plaza]

even better: the band doesn't show up. there's no lighting or anything. only thing on the stage is a crappy old laptop with a microphone up to its speakers that plays through their entire discography

[vague creek]

I think your going a bit too far with this bit

Anyone know who Tom was inspired by? Like what bands he was into before he joined Lorna

[raven plaza]

you don't don't know how far i can go with bits. this is me with restraint

[jovial zenith]

The Beatles

[vague creek]

I swore I heard the influence in mech control and throne of worms!

[jovial zenith]

Exactly

[hot ore]

so apparently the intro of Death Charge is a real voice message from a hater

people are fucking crazy

[soft drum]

[spark shell]

they did a veil of maya punisher

not that that specific sample was a veil hater

periphery hater iirc

[hot ore]

Punisher is legendary

i still laugh at that when i listen to it

[spark shell]

its great

[mossy moss]

I've been listening to this album almost non-stop, got my brother to fall in love w Darko. He said "my autism enjoys all these samples" XDD

[raven plaza]

as an autistic person i gotta agree

[mossy moss]

Haha yeah he even has a "autism metal" playlist on spotify 😭

[honest wind]

I would like to listen to it once even tho I am not autistic
It sounds cool andheavy

[opaque laurel]

So this is my first time listening to Darko. Or anything Deathcore.
I gotta say this is an experience. But I can't help think am I okay? Is everything okay? Is this world okay?
My brain can't compute it all. But I am enjoying it.

[opaque laurel]

This is interesting. My sister is Austisic and I tried to show her metal. She had a meltdown. She said it was too loud and she can't take the sensory overload

[soft drum]

this is the correct response to listening to darko

[opaque laurel]

So I am fine??
If you say so lmao 🤣

[soft drum]

Oh yeah

This album is something else tho, it feels completely unlike any other deathcore album, except maybe from darko aswell. could just be i haven’t listened to enough batshit insane deathcore

And Tom’s cleans are really good

[honest wind]

I listen to a lot of deathcore but darko does that to you. You're fine.

[honest wind]

True that

[opaque laurel]

Yeah it feels completely different from anything I have come across. Really awesome that I found this thanks to Nik and the community.

[mossy moss]

I'll ask him haha

[soft drum]

This community is the reason i’ve found so many bangers, including my entire top 5 AOTYs loll

[mossy moss]

My littlebrother listens to slam when he wants to sleep/relax. Same w me and adhd. It's kinda blocks out att the noise in the head so it relaxes. This album is good for sleepin haha

[opaque laurel]

Why is this so relatable. I have ADHD too. This is why metal helps with relaxation.

[honest wind]

Thanks 🫡

[honest wind]

🍻

[opaque laurel]

Off topic but Do all ADHD people have Austistic siblings. What is this 💀

[soft drum]

How about having both

But yeah, istg it’s like our starter pack or smtg

[mossy moss]

Well these things run in the family, my mom for sure has adhd, 24y old brother adhd, me adhd, 15y old brother autism and adhd and middle sister most likely has adhd XDD

[opaque laurel]

Yeah they sure do. I don't have too many siblings to have all mental illnesses but I do have Austistic one and the other one probably has NPD idk. 🤣

[compact path]

Alright, round two of Starfire

let´s see how my opinions change

[opaque laurel]

Now it's making me cry ?

[compact path]

As I´m entering the last quarter of the album, it´s time to reflect.
The first five songs are in a weird limbo for me. I like them but they dont catch me as much. They´re there, they´re fine, but not really exceptional - however, they lead up to something great:
Everything starting with Atomic Origin up to Teardrop Sunshine is incredible and Darko exactly how I love it. It´s just wonderful. It´s diverse, got 4 great features and the songs have more of a unique identity than those before it.
And then we get to the last quarter. Virtual Function is great - but I really dislike the Scarlxrd feature. Without it a clear favorite. Shanghai might be a candidate for top Darko tracks for me and Finding Love just as The Mother neatly wrap it up.

Tl:dr I dont think the album is too long per se, but it would be better if it weren´t for the first 5 songs or if those were different. I definetly like it better than I did initially - a lot so - but it´s probably still in last place in terms of being an album. The moments that stick out really do (e.g. Shanghai), but the rest is kind of forgettable, though great, in a lot of places

[devout pewter]

a real hater would've gotten the number of strings right lowkey

[dull marsh]

True, isn't it 9 Strings instead?

[devout pewter]

yeah

[dull marsh]

I knew it

[devout pewter]

which i want to say

admiral angry and danza were 9 string guitars

but i may be wrong

josh travis was the guitarist in danza tho

so he got that bit right

[dull marsh]

Yeah

[hot ore]

i don't think they were care that much

[devout pewter]

then they are weak.

[hot ore]

Ashtone confirmed it was a voice message so

[dull marsh]

Honestly, the fact the hater got it wrong makes it more believable

[devout pewter]

oh wait yeah josh travis uses a 9-string in emmure as well

damn this guy really dropped the ball

[runic fulcrum]

The hater was candle, the 2nd part of the recording talks abt how they arent shit compared to psycho frame

[devout pewter]

no cause if it was me i'd get the strings right and talk about josh travis more tbqh

[dull marsh]

They had to cut that part out though cause it was too long

[runic fulcrum]

15 min psycho frame is better rant sent to darko

[devout pewter]

i think more songs in this should've been like shanghai and had a guitar solo

why would i compare them to psycho-frame when emmure is right there

again with josh travis

makes so much more sense

[runic fulcrum]

Never listened to emmure i just know that one darko guy was/is in it

[dull marsh]

But as I was gonna say, often times, when people blindly hate on something, they sometimes get details very wrong.

[devout pewter]

i mean if you like darko you'll like emmure

[dull marsh]

Baby J WAS in it for the past two albums, but left to go to Spite for a bit

[runic fulcrum]

Does it have the same cyberpunk-y elements

[hot ore]

and ending up in the songs sometimes like this guy and VoM one

[dull marsh]

Mhm

[devout pewter]

no because they're from the early 2000s but all the like hip-hop & nu-metal influence is there

but their last two albums had the aforementioned baby j on drums with josh travis on guitar

and more rapping

[runic fulcrum]

Sometimes the band gets so mad at their fans that they get it wrong too, like heavy metal on amo

[devout pewter]

its me im the kid on the gram hi 🧍

[dull marsh]

In a Black Dahlia tank

[devout pewter]

on the BMTH ARG there's a reddit screenshot you can find and it straight up has someone named kid_on_the_gram roasting bmth saying they haven't been good since suicide season

i know oli was giggling to himself writing that

[runic fulcrum]

Since ss is a take for sure

[dull marsh]

You know what I really love about that song is at the very end it has an extremely short breakdown.

[runic fulcrum]

Their best albums is the two after ss so

[runic fulcrum]

it’s just him saying the song name twice

[dull marsh]

Yeah, come on, did kid on the gram miss There Is A Hell, though?

[devout pewter]

but yeah @runic fulcrum try "Shinjuku Masterlord" and "Flag of the Beast" by Emmure

basically proto-Darko

[runic fulcrum]

there is a hell and semp is the best yes

[devout pewter]

but it's emmure so it's swaggy

[runic fulcrum]

shinjuku masterlord sure sounds cyberpunky

By the name

[devout pewter]

just wait till he finds out about shinjuku, tokyo

[runic fulcrum]

Ive been there

Bozo

[dull marsh]

Yeah, that is true, Emmure's last two albums ARE proto-Darko.

[devout pewter]

i know

[devout pewter]

praying the next album is as based as felony

[runic fulcrum]

They really did not try with that album cover

[devout pewter]

[dull marsh]

Thunder Mouth is essentially a Darko-style track

But with more rapping

[devout pewter]

i dont remember any songs from hindsight

oh i shoulda given him the Kurt Angle album

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-kurt-angle-100-yard-stare-what-are-you-serious-gif-4081464694509837388

[runic fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-mene-kurt-angle-meme-part-2-gif-3449941266794714953

[dull marsh]

I honestly love their debut album

[devout pewter]

gbtg goated

[devout pewter]

check out the album The Respect Issue

it's 2008 metalcore so it's not really anything like Darko

but it has Kurt Angle on it with an Emmure flag behind him

[runic fulcrum]

Is that him

[devout pewter]

yeah

its on wikipedia

[runic fulcrum]

Image so edited he looks black

[dull marsh]

You know, actually Uncontrollable Descent is a fantastic closer

[devout pewter]

but yeah if you ever wondered

where darko got their sound

it's basically just emmure

[dull marsh]

Mhm

But with less rapping

[devout pewter]

it do be like that

honestly emmure doesn't even have that much aside from the newer albums

and by newer i mean previous two

[dull marsh]

Yeah, cause that was when the band got reset

Which honestly was probably the best thing that could've happened because the older sound was getting kinda stale at that point

[devout pewter]

gotta shake it up every now and then yeah

[vague creek]

Emmure ran so Darko could teleport

[dull marsh]

Facts

[compact path]

Aight, it's time to set this place on fire

clears throat Emmure sucks

Like hard

[hot ore]

this thread is about Starfire

if you wanna talk about Emmure go to #💬-general

[rapid kayak]

It goes so hard for no fucking reason

[compact path]

the samples in general were pretty cool imo

[runic fulcrum]

So like

When is the merch shipping

[sour herald]

Came for the random noises, stayed for the exceptional album. 8/10, solid mix of stupid heavy with nice little breaks here and there, with lots of variety keeping you interested. You never know what's gonna happen next. It did seem to drag on a bit, as it is a very long album, but I was still sad when it ended. This was a fun listen, with tons of randomness, disgusting vocals and breakdowns, but also beautiful cleans and soaring melodies. Definitely did not expect to enjoy this as much as I did!

[compact path]

probably gonna be a few weeks; it usually takes some time to fulfill the orders, especially if you´ve ordered vinyl

[runic fulcrum]

Thats

Not good

Fuck

[vague creek]

I’m trying to think about my fav albums of 2024, it’s either kl or Darko. I think KLs will age better and be a classic in the future, but Baby J is a different beast as a musician

[compact path]

I really cant wait to hear his spin on Chelsea Grin

[jovial zenith]

Chelsea Grin already goes so fucking hard

With Baby J it's gonna be insane

[vague creek]

He may be my favorite drummer in the near future but we’ll have to see more of him and how he develops

I mean isn’t he in his early or mid twenties?

[devout pewter]

his drumming is solid yeah

overall i can't fault the work he put into the album

cause like producing 19 songs is still a lotta shit to do

[elder sluice]

Album on repeat

100% album of the year

I don't think much can really top this at all

[versed leaf]

Worm Shepherd, no matter how controversial its gonna be

[midnight silo]

They dropping this year?

[elder sluice]

wait what the fuck are they actually dropping this year?!??!

[soft drum]

WS is dropping this year??!?

[regal inlet]

is sora a kingdom hearts reference?

[runic fulcrum]

brother

sora means sky

aint no way u said that

[stable falcon]

only onto the first track so far

we are so back

love the moan into blegh

[vague creek]

I just did the math, Darko has had 5 albums 60 songs in total, they’ve been around 4 years

That’s 15 songs a year folks

[stable falcon]

Zelli feature is always welcome and in Darko just makes sense

[vague creek]

And we don’t even know if Darko will release again this year, baby j is working on the next project rn

[vague creek]

I wish he used the higher scream he used on the gallow

It was sick nonetheless

[stable falcon]

honestly i just love zelli's super staccatto vocal chops

they fit well with tom also having some cool vocal chops

[midnight silo]

..... look a deadvectors over the last like, 4-5 years

THEY RELEASE A NEW EP EVERY TWO MONTHS

[vague creek]

Damn I’ll check em out

Hopefully it’s good

[stable falcon]

i am still satisfied with my purchase of a Rampage tshirt

[midnight silo]

They nu deathcore to the max

[stable falcon]

atomic origin goddamn

real weewoo hours

(not complaining)

[stable falcon]

loving green machine so far like 30 sec in

somehow, shanghai is much more of a banger than I remember it being

after listening to a full album of darko maybe it just makes more sense to me

nah the mother is a violation they can't just be doin that man goddamn..

https://tenor.com/view/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-fed-up-done-upset-angry-gif-15272547

darko the only deathcore that has made feel that emotional pang on like 3 diff albums

[runic fulcrum]

I want a darko ambient album

[stable falcon]

ofc it ends with a heinously heavy breakdown out of nowhere which ykw I can fw

[stable falcon]

cigarette smoke would like to know your location

[runic fulcrum]

Who

[stable falcon]

BabyJ side project

3 songs out rn

kindof ambient house I guess is a way I'd put it? Not well versed in that stuff but definitely has big big darko vibes with the ambience, that stuff was all babyj after all

[runic fulcrum]

I mean this doesnt sound like ambience either

[stable falcon]

ok i take it back nvm

not ambient enough

i rember it being much more ambient and much less house thats mb

[runic fulcrum]

By ambience i mean stuff like the mother before it kills you

[stable falcon]

before it kills you emotionally or physically

jk ik what you mean

[runic fulcrum]

Sora

First 20s of starfire

[regal inlet]

considering they used game references (splinter cell, dark souls, etc)

[runic fulcrum]

The lyrics sure talk about the sky/air alot

So it being named sky/air

Makes much more sense to me

[versed leaf]

not gonna ping the same mesaage twice, so for y'all who asked me about Worm Shepherd: they still plan on releasing the album late this year and are hopeful for a single in a couple months. Tre is still up in the air about what they're gonna do for vocals

[honest wind]

Let's goo
More blackened deathcore

[compact path]

Wait I'm out of the loop, what's happening with Worm Shepherd!? Apparently I missed something

[azure siren]

no way the word ashole is banned

[azure siren]

Devin out for being a cunt, new vocalist in to record new songs, don't know what they'll do with the already recorded stuff

[compact path]

Oh damn. Yeah well fuck him then. I guess they'll rerecord the new stuff with the new vocalist. Worked well for Thy Art

[obsidian carbon]

honestly musically this album is pretty solid

i fw death charge HARD

it's just wayyy too long

i dont see any universe where a heavy leaning hardcore album should hit over 45 mins

[runic fulcrum]

I do

This one

But i dont see how this is hardcore

[jovial zenith]

Lmao what

Heavy leaning hardcore is certainly a new one for darko

[dull marsh]

I could see the argument that Death Charge has a hardcore influence (obviously with Zelli), but the rest of the album? No, not really.

Also, the album, even though it IS 71 minutes, does deserve its length, due to the variety of sounds it showcases within its runtime.

And really, if you are a band and you put out a record that is over 45 minutes, there should be a reason to continue past that runtime.

[azure siren]

nah album is way too long, i agree

[obsidian carbon]

i mean im aware its deathcore but like

anything with -core in the name that goes hard on the fuck shit up mentality needs to know its limits

doesnt matter if its paleface, converge or darko

[honest wind]

wtf
i starting to find good bands only to find their members did something bad
thats metal for you ig

[jovial zenith]

Why complain about an album being too long

It's not like a movie you can just enjoy every song separately

Longer album means more music

Isn't that good enough

[plush slate]

i still haven't listened cos the length puts me off

[honest wind]

it is

[plush slate]

but i'll probably like a few songs

like the last paleface album went hard, but way too long

so i expect the same here

[honest wind]

i love long ass songs which according to nik are eps

[plush slate]

long songs/albums can be good, just depends on the style for me i guess

[honest wind]

your style

[plush slate]

i say this as i'm listening to a 20 song album currently

but its rap so of course its long

[azure siren]

there are also people who enjoy listening to albums in full

[plush slate]

i basically only listen to albums/eps now for some reason

[azure siren]

and too many songs takes away from the actual good ones. like take away the fillers on this album and you'd have an album with bangers only and you'd think this album is amazing. i personally don't think that because it's too many songs that are just eh

[compact path]

It really suffers in terms of memorability - which is a first for Darko

[dull marsh]

I'd argue that there are many memorable tracks here. Distant World, Death Charge, Chrome Moon, Sora, Pleasures, Mech Control, Green Machine, Virtual Function... those are just a few examples.

That's not even including singles like Shanghai and Bunny Suit!

[compact path]

Yes, they're there, but they're burried within such a mass of songs that it kind of diminishes that memorability for me.

One listen on oni and I knew everything by heart. Three listens on Starfire and I'm struggling to identify a lot of the tracks tbh

[vague creek]

Some of the old stuff is Beatdown

[versed leaf]

where did you hear about there already being a new vocalist? last week Tre said they were just beginning to look for a vocalist

[obsidian carbon]

real

[azure siren]

not telling you, you should find out soon enough

[elder sluice]

Thomas Barbara

[dull marsh]

https://youtu.be/WO23WBji_Z0?si=cJ2Uw5hL7Eg6Dc2W

Darko Reference?

[vague creek]

What song was that I forget

[vague creek]

?

[dull marsh]

Chrome Moon

[vague creek]

Thanks

[balmy fox]

The last minute of pleasures is so good holy shit

[fleet ivy]

well

i'm in the process of listening to the entire album

currently on Cry Baby

and so far this album is a top 3 AOTY for me

[fleet ivy]

this was an experience

unlike any other i've had before

[stable falcon]

this guy deathcores

[stable falcon]

😔

[dull marsh]

I feel that. I was gonna buy a CD, but they all sold out.

Should've bought when it first came out.

[runic fulcrum]

I bought it all

[tiny oar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1234347055665774622.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

[jolly turret]

Darko is defo my aoty. darko just scratches that itch in my brain i cant describe

[jovial zenith]

Same

Gets my autistic brain going wild

[dense tendon]

Opening with a moan is questionable but honestly hilarious ngl

[stable falcon]

full agree then right into a blegh is hard asf

[compact path]

After having listened again I'm still unsure.... It's good, obviously, it's Darko, but there's something about it that doesnt hold my attention like Darko or Oni did

[elder sluice]

darko make me smile

[dull marsh]

Me during every single song:

😃

[stable falcon]

on gawd

[austere cradle]

I feel that honestly. Like I’ve been trying my hardest to be in love with this album, but there is something special missing to it

Maybe it’s the mixing?

[compact path]

It aint the mix, that's arguably better than ever or at least up to par. The length certainly does its part. Again, I dont think it's too long, but I do think the length plays a part in the pacing and holding attention. At some point you just kind if clock out, not because it's bad, but because it's been going on for a while and kind of misses the uniqueness in a lot of songs. While each song does have its own identity, after a while they blend into one another and that's hurting the experience

[austere cradle]

I actually totally feel that. Like I love the whole concept of a metal album with more soft songs on it, and I still do love the album. Those opening tracks are indeed absolutely crazy good, but yeah, you’re right. I feel like the more tracks an album has, the less special each song feels

It’s why I keep coming to the knocked loose album time and time again. It’s because it’s only like 9 songs, and so there is more of a feeling to each one

[runic fulcrum]

If something manages to maintain its quality for a longer period i don’t think it should be knocked for being long

This absolutely maintains it

If anything i’d say the 2nd half of the album is way stronger than the first

[azure siren]

nah second half fell off

[runic fulcrum]

L

[compact path]

L

First 4-5 songs by far weaker than anything after Atomic Origin

[severe wagon]

Nuh uh

All the songs are my baby

[compact path]

I mean if you named me any track from the record I´d be all like "Hell yeah dude, that´s a great song!" and mean it (maybe except for Rampage, I just dont warm up to it) but when put together I absolutely have my favorites

[severe wagon]

Rampage is a great track imo

Bunny suit is my favorite single

[balmy fox]

True

Pleasures and virtual function 🤤🤤

[stable falcon]

The album also gives a context for Shanghai that makes it not so random and schitzo

Way more of a banger as a part of the album than by itself imo

Not that it wasn't already a banger

Meshuggah solo on a deathcore album is absolutely absurdly fantastic

[keen panther]

the mix isnt that good on this record imo

im ready for the spam of Ls but im just being honest

[dull marsh]

Before I say L, I would like to hear your reasoning behind this take.

[jovial zenith]

L

[keen panther]

i just dont like the way the guitar sounds

it sounds fake like it was done by a program

now you may say L

[dull marsh]

You know, honestly, fair take, I can't say L on that.

[keen panther]

i mean its totally fine if you like that sound

i just dont

[jovial zenith]

Too bad i already said it

[compact path]

Might just be me, idk. At least I dont hear anything wrong with it

[jovial zenith]

😔

[keen panther]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-gif-18399658447366638577

[dull marsh]

I can see how the specific guitar sound wouldn't appeal to some. To me, I think it blends in with the overall electronic elements really well.

[keen panther]

the guitar does blend with the electronics ill give you that

its just all too much for me

[dull marsh]

Again, fair take.

[stable falcon]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C79qgeRP6xc/?igsh=eWt5NWtzbjAzd3c3

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tracking atomic origin . fun fact this was over a year ago i was working on this. also took me 100 times until i could play it clean. nothing you hear on darko is edited piece by piece unless im litteraly just chopping something. shout out @silentgarrett for absolutely murdering this track, garrett is a legend and so is band. we still have much...

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Not exactly a program but definitely a bit different than other recording styles

also babyj is a fellow banquet enjoyer so i respect

[keen panther]

ngl

that looks sick as fuck

lmao

[versed leaf]

y'all calling the first half weak when my favorite song is 5D 🫠

[dull marsh]

Casually forgetting that Distant World, Death Charge, Atomic Origin, Chrome Moon, and Bunny Suit are in the first half of the album.

Not weak at all, I would say.

[jovial zenith]

The entire album is strong

[azure siren]

nah first half is way better

first 4 are all fire, then Rampage then fire again

[stable falcon]

love 5d

big pleasures fan as well

[mossy moss]

I have my spotify as a alarm, today I woke up to: Fuck your fucking 8 string fucking guitar🫡

[opaque laurel]

Good idea for an alarm. I missed my morning meeting. This might actually help me wake up better.

[mossy moss]

Yeah but it kinda ruins the song 😭

Everytime I hear kool-aid I get flashbacks to my 5AM alarms

[hot ore]

you mean the one that plays that fucking Joshua Travis shit?

[dull marsh]

Imagine being "the boss of Darko."

[mossy moss]

you aint fucking shit bro🫡

[mossy moss]

[opaque laurel]

Just put Mech Control as my alarm. "I'm alive"
Time to wake up.

[umbral scarab]

Man idk I honestly thought this was their best release

I'm so in love with this album

[stable falcon]

Virtual function got some wild pigsqueal/brick on brick vocals

[severe wagon]

My alarm is just the default

[severe wagon]

It's been 1 week what do y'all think

[compact path]

I'm still not sure, no matter how often I listen

[devout pewter]

atomic origin and shaghai might be the only two interesting songs on the album

[stable falcon]

i am definitely a fan of the album, I can see people disliking the length or the shoegazy/poppy songs but honestly I like them

and i think those tracks help with the length, so its not 71 straight minutes of alien deathcore

[umbral scarab]

I really like that this album only has like one filler track other than the intro

Cause like on the dethmask EPs we already only got like 7 songs and 3 were 20 second filler ambient tracks

Self Titled and Oni were pretty good about not doing that too

But this album's what like 19 songs total with an intro and one filler

I love it

[worthy coyote]

https://vxtwitter.com/theebaabyj/status/1801346267030897010?t=81Xh3T6XOJolDyavaGPVHQ&s=19

we are working on new music.

These two really never stop

[stable falcon]

With them both in Chelsea grin now, they can basically tour with chelsea and work on darko

lets be real Chelsea is far from Tom or BabyJ's passion project 💀

[azure siren]

wasn't Tom a huge CG fan before he joined them? i think he is passionate about it

[stable falcon]

Probably. Just really thinking about the pacing of releases and overall sound of the bands. I guess that was more projection of my opionion on CG than anything else

I don't dislike them at all I just don't listen much because it feels like very cookie cutter deathcore

eternal nightmare will always be a banger album tho

[devout pewter]

it has been ever since Tom joined actually

listen to Ashes to Ashes or Desolation of Eden

[dull marsh]

Ashes to Ashes my beloved

[devout pewter]

WE SET THE FIRE TO WATCH IT FUCKING BURN

[dull marsh]

BURN!
BURN!
BURN! BURN! BURN!

[devout pewter]

LETS BURN THIS BASTARD TOO THE GROUND

[versed leaf]

CG's entire discography to me is cookie cutter deathcore

[spark nimbus]

hm

defo got bangers, some skips too tho, makes it into my top 5 for now tjo

[vague creek]

How would y’all rank darkos albums

?

1. Starfire
   2.Darko
2. Dethmask 2.0
   4.Oni
3. Dethmask

[dull marsh]

Oni being that low is a crime

Jk jk

[jovial zenith]

1. Oni
2. Starfire
3. Dethmask 2
4. Self titled
5. Dethmask 1

[jovial zenith]

How about this then

[dull marsh]

Perfect

[runic fulcrum]

1. starfire
2. Oni
3. Darko
4. Deatmask 2
5. Deathmask 1

Oni and darko basically equal

Wasn’t really into either deathmask EP

[umbral scarab]

Basically my list lol I'm not gonna type it all out

[stable falcon]

I'm going back and listening, if dethmask 1 is that low then I am in for a treat because this is gas

been a while since i've listened i basically forgot dethmasks and self titled

[fleet ivy]

i sure do lmao

[elder sluice]

I love music

[severe wagon]

Hell yeah

[dull marsh]

MUSIC!

DARKO!

WOO!

[proven island]

HOLY SHIT SORA GOES WAY TOO HARD

[dull marsh]

I KNOW RIGHT?

Marcus Bridge killed it

[proven island]

idk what marcus bridge did on the track im dumb

but im gonna lisen to toher stuff by him

[dull marsh]

Sang

The entire thing, I'm pretty sure

[proven island]

aaa

lmaooooooo

[dull marsh]

He's the frontman of the band Northlane, if you're curious

[proven island]

i know northlanneee

sleepless goes hard

[dull marsh]

He did a track with Nik Nocturnal on a song

[proven island]

i love the breakcore drums

[dull marsh]

Yesssss

[proven island]

link plss

[dull marsh]

https://open.spotify.com/track/7JJ1pymUVVeCtcgXWvOPjl?si=Ide_AKXETPmNTIu9ZSigsA&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A6PLnZF8p3PTDYrftT2Xnnh

[proven island]

thanks a lot

[dull marsh]

No probs!

[proven island]

im gonna listen to it

(after sleepless)

also rate my pfp lol

[dull marsh]

Very smiley

And skully

[proven island]

fr

do you want the original image?

it's an album cover

song my 10 TO THE CHEST and PeelingFlesh

the full image looks cursed

[soft drum]

this album grew on me hard

on the release listen i couldn’t really tell the songs apart

but now i basically have this on all the time

i can tell that each song is different now lmao

Sora is still amazing

[honest wind]

Banger

[dull marsh]

Sure

[balmy fox]

Took me a while with all their albums to do it but every song grows on me

[main stream]

Sora is a vibe fr

[worthy coyote]

https://vxtwitter.com/theebaabyj/status/1803492536063041758?t=3H6LHJOh3Au1v_TvmJz9-Q&s=19 DETHMASK 3 CONFIRMED

[ashen carbon]

Already?

[soft drum]

ig they wasn’t kidding when he said he working on new shit already

[honest wind]

Hardworking guy

[worthy coyote]

Like Tom said on the interview- The guy literally never stops

[jovial zenith]

Holy fucking shit

[compact path]

Mf'er gonna pull an Oni and release this last day of the year

[ashen carbon]

Wasn't it Deathmask 2 not Oni that had that surprise release

[compact path]

Yeah, it was. I meant pull an Oni as in releasing an EP surprisingly in the same year as a full album

Could've worded it better but anyway

[ashen carbon]

ah ok gotcha

[jolly turret]

Funnily enough im pretty sure they annouced Dethmask 2 first then Released Oni. then of course released Dethmask 2 at the end of the year could be wrong though but i know some people thought the singles were DM2 not oni.

[elder sluice]

Tom Barber try to sleep challenge [IMPOSSIBLE]

[midnight silo]

No sleep no break at all

[stable spear]

How was this album?

[jovial zenith]

Amazing

[stable spear]

From what I heard, a buddy said it’s just darko doing the same old stuff, which to him got boring

[jovial zenith]

Ehhh Starfire has its own personality for sure

[stable spear]

I mean I can understand if it sounds repetitive to you and you require some dynamics to your bands discography then you might not like it

[stable spear]

Oh yeah it’s obviously different from what I see

But he just thought the technique wasn’t changing or diversifying

[jovial zenith]

I see

[stable spear]

Either way I speak nothing to it because I haven’t given it a chance

[jovial zenith]

You should

[soft drum]

This one feels different to the others, i’d say very worth checking out

[jovial zenith]

Yep

[stable spear]

Alright I will, but first, what song has the most similar style to looking glass?

[jovial zenith]

I don't think there is any quite like looking glass

[soft drum]

Every day that goes by i regret not buying a bunch of the preorders for the merch and vinyl😭

[dull marsh]

I regret not buying the preorder for the CD

Not making the same mistake when Dethmask Pt. 3 happens

[soft drum]

Oh definitely not

[stable spear]

Damn… I like how inherently heavy the song was, but still with obvious melody that was harmonic

[runic fulcrum]

I did

Nothin shipped yet tho

[soft drum]

forever devastated about my fumble

i’ll prolly buy a resell of the vinyl, but i doubt i’ll find any of the merch

[dull marsh]

If there's a cheap resell of the CD EVER, you are welcome to ping me, DM me, let me know by carrier pigeon if possible.

[jovial zenith]

Smoke signals even

[dull marsh]

Semaphore, even

[proven island]

Whad is semaphore

[dull marsh]

Basically, communicating with flags

[proven island]

Aa

[dull marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/signal-signaling-trying-to-communicate-communicate-communication-gif-20003964

Like this

[proven island]

In romanian we have semafor which is like, the red light thing

https://tenor.com/view/traffic-light-gif-23316386

This thing

I see similarities lol

[misty island]

traffic light?

[proven island]

Yes

Semafor 👍

[misty island]

well now i know a word in romanian so thats fun
back to darko 😭

[proven island]

hav to keep this thread alive

[compact path]

No

[stable falcon]

listened back to dethmask and its still amazing

no idea how I never realized Divine Void has Darius Tehrani on it

Darius and Tom have crazy synergy

[vague creek]

2nd fav album of this year so far

[stable spear]

1st fav Clancy by twenty one pilots

[keen panther]

that album is so mid

[misty island]

not nearly as good as trench or blurryface imo but its still not bad

[stable spear]

Hey it ranks up there with them

[stable spear]

It was a amazing comeback after scaled and icy

The hooks were catchy, the verses were earworms, and the choruses stuck like nothing else

Songs like vignette and overcompensate had pretty good drum patterns, a little underwhelming for Josh Dunn, but nonetheless carried a groovy beat, and Tyler actually had some pretty good raps on those tracks

Both carrying a heavy amount of lore

[stable spear]

Why do you rank blurryface so high? It wasn’t bad for sure but i mean personally self titled and trench were better than that

[misty island]

i disagree, i think clancy is decent but not as daaamn good as the other 2

i havent really felt the desire to relisten to it

[stable spear]

🤨 may I ask why you think this

[keen panther]

same batshit insane song copy and pasted

[stable spear]

How???

Every song off that album is individualistic and obviously different from one another

[keen panther]

from a unbias standpoint since i do not care for this band

it all sounds the same to me

[runic fulcrum]

Me with currents polaris and phineas

[azure siren]

most of their songs sound exactly the same, only the soft ones are different

[keen panther]

named my 3 favorite bands

rough

[keen panther]

yeah pretty much

i like the soft songs off this record

[runic fulcrum]

[jovial zenith]

How does one think darko all sounds the same

But not currents

I like currents but the only song i can recognize without checking the title is split because of the intro

[azure siren]

because Currents is good which is why you remember the songs
there is nothing outstanding in most Darko songs

[stable spear]

WOW

NO

phinehas is very individual

[stable spear]

Ikr.. guy has no idea😖

[runic fulcrum]

Think i do

[stable spear]

Listen to vignette, paladin straight, taxi cab, levitating etc, those span across multiple albums hit different genres and do not overlap in many ways

[runic fulcrum]

All of fire itself sounds the exact fuckin same

[stable spear]

Cmon. Take their old albums and new albums and you see big differences. Fleshkiller, to seven, to eternally apart

[stable spear]

Thorns vs eternally apart ? No

Yes the fire itself and into the night sound similar

But it’s just their fast hardcore pace

[runic fulcrum]

literally sounds like metalcore template music

[stable spear]

👀

Ok you just compared them to like wage war and falling in reverse

They are not a metalcore template. What other bands do you see using that hardcore style along with tempo modulations

[runic fulcrum]

Calling falling in reverse metalcore is a very loose defintion

[stable spear]

And what metalcore bands shred nowadays?

[runic fulcrum]

Falling in reverse has literal pop records

[stable spear]

They’re template core anyway when they do go heavy

[azure siren]

don't want to
super bored of them, don't even wanna check those out. i listened to their last 2 albums and latest EP and all their heavy songs sound the same, super uniniteresting

[stable spear]

🫥.. well I mean they’re kinda their own thing but I’m just gonna have to agree to disagree on that

[runic fulcrum]

Everyone who likes phineas always says it’s «great standard old metalcore» and yeah sure but that’s fuckin boring

[stable spear]

Ok as opposed to what?

[runic fulcrum]

What do you mean

[stable spear]

The modern scene is just industry funneled crap that’s all converging onto one style

[azure siren]

at least they're good at songwriting

[runic fulcrum]

Is your only way of forming an argument to use comparisons?

[stable spear]

Yes

[stable spear]

No I gave you my other points but you ignored them

[runic fulcrum]

I think there’s a lot of bands nowadays that sound the exact same

[stable spear]

Like

[runic fulcrum]

So saying «well these guys are worse» doesnt rly say much

[runic fulcrum]

Like currents and polaris

That i mentioned before

[stable spear]

What? How in any way do they sound alike 👀

[keen panther]

i mean its subjective darko us is boring as fuck to me

lol

[stable spear]

Polaris is like a textbook modern djent band and same with currents

[runic fulcrum]

I’m not saying it’s objective i legit just said those are bands that sound the same in all their songs to me

[stable spear]

Phinehas is a hardcore metal outfit

[runic fulcrum]

Ok?

[stable spear]

They are in no way the same 😭

[keen panther]

phinehas is peak metalcore im waiting for the album that will never come

[runic fulcrum]

I can still say it all sounds the same to me, cause that’s the truth

[stable spear]

🫱🏻‍🫲🏿

[stable spear]

Wait what do you mean never come

Yeah it’s only been three years but don’t give up hope 😭

[keen panther]

they just take forever for albums

[runic fulcrum]

Architects used to sound the exact same for like 10 years too

[stable spear]

Yeah and looking at Daniels instagram, he’s putting far too much work into ffak

Like honestly they have good stuff, but I’d rather see him invest in phinehas

[azure siren]

at least they're taking their time to put thought in their work unlike certain other bands

[keen panther]

yeah

[runic fulcrum]

Like erra

[keen panther]

dark flag was 2017

fire itself was 2021

thats crazy lol

[runic fulcrum]

Less of a gap than loathe rn

[azure siren]

3 years isn't little time

i still haven't listened to Cure lol

[runic fulcrum]

I just meant they put no thought into it

[azure siren]

yeah i never liked Erra, only a few songs

[dull marsh]

I warmed up to Cure on second listen. I think Erra works better as a single song band rather than an album band.

[runic fulcrum]

To this day i still only really enjoy 1 erra song

[azure siren]

yo Ember listening party?

[dull marsh]

Hmmm probably not right now

[azure siren]

okay

[stable spear]

Volumes, oceans ate Alaska and phinehas have normalized me to this

[stable spear]

Wdym?

[stable spear]

Tbh darko slams out releases too

[azure siren]

that's what i was getting at lol

[dull marsh]

If you listen to an early Erra album, the songs all start to blend together and lose any uniqueness they might have in them.

[stable spear]

Play anything off of impulse and augment and you won’t be able to tell which album is which

[dull marsh]

Yes, exactly

[stable spear]

I hate to admit this because both those albums have some bangers for sure

But yes you speak fax

[jovial zenith]

Worst take I've seen

Darko out there bringing something interesting to the deathcore genre where most bands are a copy of each other

I can name darko songs by listening to like 5 seconds of them

[azure siren]

i don't see anything interesting in their music. their soft songs are beautiful tho, i give them that

[versed leaf]

bro went from praising this album and saying its the only Darko i like back to saying its boring lol

i can actually tell Darko songs apart, unlike Currents

that album from last year was just one long song

and sounded like most other modern metalcore

i'm not a fan of Currents (and most metalcore), but Chris Wiseman being in that band would lead me to believe they'd be different

but they really aren't

[severe wagon]

BRO SAME

[misty island]

i just didnt enjoy the songs nearly as much as the other 2 lol, idk what else to say

[misty island]

not in blurryface

[azure siren]

that's true, the album from last year isn't good. but their earlier stuff is way more progressive

[pearl adder]

speaking of OAA new vocalist fire will not be taking any further points

or questions

i dont like twenty one pilots

[dull marsh]

I don't like OAA

[pearl adder]

I only like lost isles

And their newest single

[runic fulcrum]

Damn

[dull marsh]

Dethmask Pt. 4 as well???

[versed leaf]

the set of 4 EPs BMTH never dropped

[compact path]

I fkin told y'all they're gonna pull an oni/dethmask 2, jesus christ

Though I gotta say, I'm starting to tire of Darko a little. At this point there's so much of it and releases in such quick succession that it starts to lose a lot of its charme for me tbh.

[runic fulcrum]

?

[compact path]

As in releasing more than just an album this year, been some weeks, dont think about it.

[pearl adder]

yeah thats a shit take

rapid release time doesnt mean its bad in nature

im all here for it personally

[compact path]

I never said it's getting bad or worse. I said that there's so much of it now that it doesnt feel as special anymore which was a huge part of the appeal.

[runic fulcrum]

There’s no such thing as too much of something great

[jovial zenith]

Fr

You can like just not listen to it as it releases

Complaining about having too much of a good thing is a bit weird

[compact path]

I aint complaining.
Might also just be me still not really loving Starfire as I did everything else affecting my opinion here

[honest wind]

Deathmask next part incoming

[severe wagon]

Where

When

[vague creek]

Prolly this year

They are currently working on two eps

[obsidian carbon]

it doesnt help they're incosistent anyway lol

half of starfire felt very filler, two more eps in one year is ridiculous

[balmy fox]

Im hoping that at least one of the tracks has a part like the middle of mars attacks or the end of praise the sun

Need my brain scratching tom barber screams

[austere cradle]

I actually relate to this hella. That’s really accurate in my opinion. It’s the thing that kinda stopped me from getting more listens in

[runic fulcrum]

Better than boundaries

[jovial zenith]

Better than most metal

[versed leaf]

if you're tired of Darko then just don't listen to them. seems pretty simple to me

[keen panther]

the takes on this thread are somehow worse then bmth thread

[versed leaf]

^i'm assuming this is about the Boundaries comment

they're called opinions for a reason

[keen panther]

yeah not yours

[dull marsh]

Nothing's beating The Human Abstract for me at the moment

[versed leaf]

i personally found Boundaries, just like most other metalcore releases, to do nothing for me. its good for what it is, but it isn't groundbreaking. its copy-paste of the old school sound, which people lose it over bc of nostalgia. and i personally never found the old school sound appealing, either

[dull marsh]

I listened to the Boundaries album once, but I remember liking the wristmeetsrazor album a little more.

[keen panther]

i lose it when i hear oldschool shit because i think it sounds better, its not nostalgia because i never grew up with it

older metalcore has more passion behind it

[versed leaf]

i just don't care for either 🤷🏻‍♀️ my statement wasn't a blanket. i just mean for many people its bc of nostalgia

[versed leaf]

now this i agree with

[keen panther]

nostalgia is a factor but i dont think its the main reason people like it

i think people are just sick and tired of who can write the heavier breakdown

[versed leaf]

old school revival is pretty big rn so i think its safe to say it plays a serious role

[dull marsh]

I tend to agree, older metalcore and deathcore both have more passion behind it.

[versed leaf]

thats...kind of what the Boundaries album was tho? there were quite a few songs on that album that are just one whole breakdown

i've also never understood the breakdown criticism for metalcore, i guess. bc unless its "pissedcore", metalcore breakdowns really aren't THAT heavy

so if metalcore bands are trying to outheavy each other, then imo nobody is succeeding lol

[dull marsh]

I love it when the breakdown isn't trying to be heavy, but somehow succeeds at being heavy because of that.

[keen panther]

i should of said heavy for the sake of being heavy without any reason

adding breakdowns for no reason when the song didnt need it

[versed leaf]

thats...almost all of modern metalcore

[keen panther]

that

that is my point

[versed leaf]

im js

[keen panther]

that is why im saying alot of people are enjoying the old sound

modern metalcore all things considered is looking pretty fucking ass right now

[versed leaf]

i just don't think its that much different in terms of heaviness. and a lot of old school bands sound the same to me as well. its all just 578. a lot of people praised that new Dying Wish album, but it sounded like every early 2000s metalcore band. not only that, but every song on the album sounded the same as well. if you're gonna bring old school back, at least add a new twist to it and don't make albums one long song

[keen panther]

that i agree with, i tried the dying wish album i didnt really care for it but but there is good and bad with og metalcore for instance august burns red is a prime example of what og metalcore should be

they make every song sound different but still always have that old metalcore feel even in the new records where they go more djent/prog

another instance of og metalcore being spiced up is the electronicore breakdown on blames burden

on the boundaries record

[dull marsh]

Screw OG Metalcore revival, OG Electronicore revival when?

[versed leaf]

no

[dull marsh]

Something like I See Stars' Digital Renegade or New Demons

[keen panther]

how about both at the same time

[dull marsh]

True

OG Deathcore revival as well

Reminds me, I should check out more Job For a Cowboy

[versed leaf]

yes

[dull marsh]

I enjoyed Moon Healer

[versed leaf]

OG deathcore revival has been a thing. Psycho-Frame (with their crazy elitist fanbase), Tracheotomy, Girl Of Glass, Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Tactosa (cancelcore)

[keen panther]

psychoframe fans when presented with music that isnt psychoframe (they get muted for being assholes)

[versed leaf]

literally

when i first learned that about PF fans i was flabbergasted, then i learned that the band members themselves are like that, so it makes sense. thats the "culture" they want

[dull marsh]

Psycho-frame's all right, I enjoyed the first EP

The second one was also good

[keen panther]

the band itself is like that?

[versed leaf]

they call themselves "the last deathcore band on earth"

[keen panther]

it was not really for me but i enjoyed some tracks

[keen panther]

dear lord

[dull marsh]

Are they being serious or sarcastic when they say that?

[keen panther]

hopefully sarcastic

[versed leaf]

first EP was a miss for me, second has some bangers. but its not groundbreaking, amazing shit like their fanbase acts like it is. most of their songs sound the same, and its all Suicide Silence worship. not like thats a bad thing, but its literally just SS.

i've spoken with people and uh...not sarcastic

[keen panther]

my biggest turn off is the drums could be mixed better

[dull marsh]

Psycho-frame fans when they discover The Cleansing and No Time to Bleed exist:

[keen panther]

vocals are pretty good

[versed leaf]

their best song imo is the one featuring Don from Waking the Cadaver bc of the slam influence

i've literally witnessed Pscho-Frame change people, its insane

[keen panther]

its just a deathcore band good lord

[dull marsh]

They got Psycho-Framed

[keen panther]

this is actually pretty good though listening to it rn

[versed leaf]

i knew a guy that just loved deathcore, and the minute he started listening to PF, suddenly all other deathcore wasn't "true deathcore" and it was all "nauseating" and "cringe"

[keen panther]

its not godtier deathcore or anything super special

but its nice

[versed leaf]

thats why i never understood why their fans acted like it was the second coming of christ. but, its the band themselves

[keen panther]

ive just heard alot of bands sound like it

[versed leaf]

whats kinda funny to me is that one of the members of PF is also in Moodring

[keen panther]

doesnt mean its bad but this is the gold standard>

?

thats bold

i dont really know what the gold standard for deathcore would be as i dont listen much

but id like to put shadow of intent up there

[dull marsh]

The golden standard is The Red Chord - "Fed Through the Teeth Machine." Well, one of them, anyways.

[versed leaf]

imo, for old school its Whitechapel, and modern its Shadow of Intent

[dull marsh]

I'd be willing to agree with that

This is Exile

[keen panther]

shadow of intent my beloved

[versed leaf]

A New Era of Corruption doesn't get enough love

[dull marsh]

Facts

[versed leaf]

my favorite album of theirs

[dull marsh]

It had Chino Moreno on a song, for crying out loud, what's not to love?

[versed leaf]

nu metal haters wouldn't agree lol

oh, Phil was in a nu metal band before Whitechapel btw!

[dull marsh]

If I had a nickel for every time a famous nu-metal singer collaborated with a deathcore band on their third album, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.

[dull marsh]

Wait, what? What was it called?

[versed leaf]

i don't remember the name but its in xTheYan's video on Whitechapel

i can link it

its mentioned early on in the video

https://youtu.be/RpyabFPKOhE

[dull marsh]

Oh, xTheYan! I like his videos, I need to watch more of them.

[versed leaf]

we still need Whitechapel part 2

he only covered them from 2004 to 2010

and said part 2 was coming

its been 8 months lol

[dull marsh]

I need to watch the Lorna Shore video.

I want to learn more about them pre-CJ

Tom Barber era

[honest wind]

Oof

[obsidian carbon]

i dont really care for the og sound much either but lowkey id take boundaries over darko

i just find that every other metal-adjacent genre atm is having generational release after generational release

saidan just dropped the modern day nightside eclipse, then sigh with shiki for BM
daoboys and pupil slicer basically just repeated the calculating infinity > jane doe run but for the 2020s
hammoks new album is the best metallic hardcore album since like what? botch's romans?
hell even shred and cybergrind have had some notably very good albums lately

also i guess sludge and doom but it's not fair because boris put out lifechanging albums one after another

meanwhile in like metalcore/deathcore i just think the stuff we've gotten recently is whatever

there's a lot of cookie cutter stuff

[runic fulcrum]

Old sound does legit nothin for me it’s so boring

Anyway

When is the fuckin starfire merch droppin

It said july but nothin has shipped yet

[versed leaf]

we're calling two metal genres not metal now-

and Pupil Slicer is metalcore-

[obsidian carbon]

mathcore actually 🤓

[obsidian carbon]

still, metalcores meaning changed lol

[dull marsh]

Mathcore is cool

[obsidian carbon]

metalcore nowadays is so far detached from botch/converge/deadguy that it's no use considering those or their descendants metalcore at all

[versed leaf]

damn its almost like...genres evolve

that sounds like something Finn McKenty would say

metalcore bands now don't sound like this band i think is the standard, therefor they are not metalcore

[jovial zenith]

Is Methwitch methcore

[versed leaf]

Methwitch is whatever you want it to be

[jovial zenith]

Ok. Methwitch is my boywife

Ight sorry I'll go to sleep now

[honest wind]

Too old
We need calculus core now

[obsidian carbon]

not what i said lol

im saying that converge and botch AREN'T metalcore atp

it's not just the evolution of a genre, it's a genre entirely switching

90s dm and 2020s dm still have aspects in common

90s bm and 2020s bm still have aspects in common

deadguy and architects do not have a single thing in common

[spark shell]

brother they’re early metalcore

if they ain’t metalcore, no one is

[obsidian carbon]

yeah but why say that when metallic hardcore and mathcore don't only fit them better but also avoid the confusion that comes with calling them a term as broad and nebulous as metalcore

metalcore is more fucked up as a descriptor than pop because it tells you nothing about a band

[spark shell]

we have metalcore subgenres for a reason

[vague creek]

I would call Pantera, and slayer Metallic hardcore honestly

Metal and punk have always been very closely connected since the 70s

[quasi seal]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-street-cat-cat-cat-meme-hellostreetcat-gif-13389802808859109532

[quasi seal]

tbh this, they started off as OG metalcore but their influence has been boxed into mathcore/metallic hardcore as time went on

[obsidian carbon]

yeah, i think considering converge influenced infinitely more mathcore/grindcore than metalcore it's more worth to just consider them as a whole as mostly being mathcore

like wormrot and daoboys rely on the existence of converge wayyyy more than bad omens or darko or spiritbox ever will

[quasi seal]

the current vein of modern metalcore of bad omens and spiritbox take almost nothing from converge

iwrestledabear did i spose

[obsidian carbon]

yeah

[quasi seal]

Callous Daoboys are actually very comparable to modern metalcore influences when you really break it down and look at it by definition, it's just their combination of influences aren't surface level and it actually feels... like a combination instead of just multiple songs in one mix

[runic fulcrum]

You’re all lunatics

[honest wind]

i agree

[quasi seal]

That’s a compliment

[misty island]

fun fact: i know their drummer

[obsidian carbon]

based

i will be doin tricks on martys thang

[honest talon]

does anyone know if the merch has shipped yet? i still haven't gotten my tank top

[runic fulcrum]

Mine hasn’t shipped

[honest talon]

Ahhh, glad I’m not the only one

[honest talon]

i also recently realized that i had forgotten to save my tracking number (im not dumb enough to share it lol), but for some reason my purchase email is missing

OH NVM I JUST GOT THE EMAIL SAYING ITS ON THE WAY

@runic fulcrum you should see if yours also shipped

[runic fulcrum]

Who did you get mail from

I havent gotten anything

[honest talon]

shopify

[runic fulcrum]

Yea i got nothin :c

Just says order submitted still

[runic fulcrum]

@honest talon is there any way to contact them

[honest talon]

there should be a customer support email on your order confirmation email

[runic fulcrum]

I see

Sent them one

[runic fulcrum]

Got a reply

I thought i ordered a vinyl

But it was apparently the cd

And cd’s are delayed

So have to wait till aug 16th for it to ship

[honest talon]

LFG

[severe wagon]

Ooh darko shirt

[runic fulcrum]

It shipped today c:

Only over a month later

[soft drum]

https://x.com/theebaabyj/status/1862237975997755804?s=46

Baby J (@theebaabyj) on X

tomrorow. 10 am pacific // we also have a couple of extra starfire vinyl that’ll be up as well.

Twitter · Nov 28, 2024, 8:51 PM

i refuse to miss this drop

[worthy coyote]

I'm gonna try and snipe one of those vinyls

[astral warren]

Damn owning starfire vinyl would be sick

[runic fulcrum]

Bruh

This better not take 5 months to ship again

I’ll buy the t-shirt

[runic fulcrum]

I thought i bought a vinyl last time but i bought a cd

[soft drum]

i’m def getting the vinyl and a tshirt

[runic fulcrum]

Good luck

Just 10 vinyls

[soft drum]

oh shiitt

[worthy coyote]

Only 10???

[astral warren]

😭

[worthy coyote]

GOT THAT SHIT

[severe wagon]

Aoty

[soft drum]

got mine too

vinyl and a shirt

[runic fulcrum]

I got the shirt

But the shipping was more expensive than the shirt

[compact path]

I dont want to count on how many merch drops from different bands I sat out on because of shipping

feels lowkey criminal how much that is at times

[runic fulcrum]

I just waste my money

And have cool clothes

[compact path]

did that with the Moodring tees, but I truly do not intend on spending 100s of bucks just on shipping, as much as I´d like to but there´s no way in hell I´ll throw that much money into nothingness

[runic fulcrum]

Buy me one

[compact path]

nah dude, I´m glad I could convince myself to order ones for me lmao that´s enough, I´ve spent enough for a while now lmao

[runic fulcrum]

My friend bought me this

For christmas

[compact path]

damn, that´s sick

I really dont want to know how much money UNFD (or well, now Epitaph) make without Hunter seeing a cent....

[runic fulcrum]

Idk man

The new shirts he has up

They’re good designs but not my style personally

I’ll buy the elden ring shirt for pf when that goes up

I spent like 200$ on psycho frame shit 2 months ago i did my part

[spare edge]

finding love in a world full of tragedy

https://tenor.com/view/batman-raining-rainy-night-swing-sad-gif-17006836

[round magnet]

me

[elder sluice]

sigh

https://tenor.com/view/disappointment-disappointed-food-review-meme-gif-16003613

not even top 5 is crazy

[compact path]

oh yes

this album exists

I forgot

anyway

[elder sluice]

I thought everyone collectively disliked FIR's album....

not even top 5 for this band tho....

not even top 5 for a vocalist....

[soft drum]

i might js watch it when he makes it into a vid

[soft drum]

don’t tell me fir made it and darko didn’t

[elder sluice]

made 4th place

I aint ever

in my life

[soft drum]

💀

[elder sluice]

seen such blatant bullshit in my life

[soft drum]

did we.. did we just not listen to it

[elder sluice]

I stg

People who voted had 50 alt accounts they used

that had to be the case if FIR got 4th

[soft drum]

i really come ppl aren’t swaying the vote cuz that’s cring as shit

[elder sluice]

it had to be

[soft drum]

FIR does have a surprising amount of fans, they just don’t ever voice it

[elder sluice]

he was no. 5 for vocalist of the year

[soft drum]

RONNIE???

[elder sluice]

yea because Octane existrs

[elder sluice]

yup

that's how I believe it's swaying votes

[soft drum]

nah

he’s got respectable vocals

[elder sluice]

respectable... sure

[soft drum]

top 5 of the year

nah

[elder sluice]

but I would've nominated 60 other metalcore bands

I mean lets face it

if he didnt get top 5, ronnie would cry on twitter

[soft drum]

i mean like he’s got better lows/mids (does he even do highs idr) than me so it’s respectable even a lil bit

[elder sluice]

the thing I wanted best animal noise to be didnt even get top 5

but fucking Wage War gets second

that's actually fucking just....

I cant

[soft drum]

there was an animal noise in stigma?

[elder sluice]

yea

it was Nails

even though it wasnt even an animal noise

Wretched Tongues got robbed in that catagory of top 5

[soft drum]

what won

[elder sluice]

there were so many techniques in the vocals breakdown

[elder sluice]

ider anymore

[soft drum]

😭

[elder sluice]

wait

no

it was whitechapel

[soft drum]

oh ok that’s fair

[elder sluice]

it's fair top 5

but not no1

[soft drum]

pure animal noise def not

[elder sluice]

worm shepherd didnt even make it aswell

[soft drum]

worm shepherd shoulda

[elder sluice]

like actual animal noises didnt even get on there

[hot ore]

it's not that deep, stop crying

[keen panther]

darko is extremely small compared to everything in the top 5

[soft drum]

genuinely thought that was js a “haaaagh”

or smth

[keen panther]

same reason why boundaries/allt would never really win aoty

[soft drum]

tbf, award shows are always at some level gunna be a popularity contest

[elder sluice]

it's what it mostly was

[spare edge]

i thank you so much for calling it nails rather than nail5🙏

[median nest]

FIR was total dogshit and it's a huge shame for those who voted it into top 5

like I just want to talk to them

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-family-guy-meg-griffin-meg-peter-gif-8385530600948332720

[keen panther]

it was dogshit but its not that deep

its a popularity contest anyway (as is any fan award show)

[soft drum]

i finally got my hands on one

[astral warren]

Damn 😭 its beautiful

[soft drum]

it’s so pretty

[astral warren]

Vinyl has come a long way in terms of looking otherworldly

[soft drum]

they really have, some damn majestic vinyls out there

[astral warren]

Fr, especially in the deathcore scene I find

[soft drum]

deathcore vinyls are always so pretty

[soft drum]

lads, the shirt is here! it’s so beautiful

[runic fulcrum]

I’ll get it in like a month xd

[honest wind]

you will get starfire merch when they release deathmask 3

[runic fulcrum]

I got that ages ago