Feedback Requests

[versed remnant]

turned up the lead a tad more

[finite finch]

I have achieved to make it unrecognizable in some of my mixes

Mannn

This is fire tbh

[versed remnant]

TY

its gonna be a blend of like

40 bands

[finite finch]

Wha

[versed remnant]

children of bodom, DT, Periphery

lmao

ive been on a prog bender for like 3 weeks

[finite finch]

DT?

[versed remnant]

dream theater

[finite finch]

A

[halcyon holly]

Well done i think?

[halcyon holly]

Snare is sounding more in the realm of where it should be, but you're still seriously overestimating how loud the lead / drums should be compared to the rhythms

[finite finch]

I dont use it often currently tho

[versed remnant]

so turn up the rythyms is what im hearing

[formal hedge]

Listening on a bad setup but when the lead comes in everything else gets quiet af

[versed remnant]

oh i know a thing abiut bad setup

my fucking monitors

are a keyboard

a $100 digital keyboard

but yeah im noticing that now

let me turn them down and mess with the eq a bit more

[formal hedge]

As in a midi keyboard, or.. what I'm typing on right now? 😂

[versed remnant]

not even a midi keyboard </3

i dont own one

i need one so bad

[versed remnant]

hopefully this is better

Well my guitar at the end decided to kill itsself

[balmy forum]

nice tone

feels abit empty production wise tho

[versed remnant]

Yeah i’m just in writing phase atm

[versed remnant]

Its all free stuffs if you want the chain

Its very dialed for my dinky 6 in drop Ab

[timber forum]

Sounds good dude @versed remnant

[versed remnant]

thank you!

had to rerec the ending guitars bc my pc is shit

FUCK

why are the gutiars bouncing in the intro

wtf bro

[balmy igloo]

intro guitars sound fine to me. only thing i'd suggest is maybe turning the snare down a bit. good work.

[timber forum]

Loving where this one is going

[balmy forum]

lacking bass imo

[balmy forum]

bit of clipping going on there

sounds like you pushing too much into you limiter

[timber forum]

Damn. All I hear is bass. Or do you just mean low end? Either way. The only thing that’s somewhat mixed here is the guitar.

[finite finch]

another test

with @balmy forum amp

this time some hardcore-ish stuff

[blissful cliff]

trying something a bit different

If you have a short attention span skip to 3:15

[blissful cliff]

Holy mid scoop

sounds fire ngl

[formal hedge]

Lowkey the opening riff kinda sounds like

https://youtu.be/bpOSxM0rNPM

[blissful cliff]

Definitely an inspiration

[formal hedge]

Oh that was intentional?

That riff is known for being a meme

[blissful cliff]

I didn't want to completely rip off that riff lol, but I did want to kinda keep that style

[balmy forum]

low end sorry haha

[finite finch]

snare down abit cus its too loud

But that solo 🙏

[granite mist]

get in my invent animate bag rq

[reef dawn]

my cover of the legendary Misirlou

looking back i would def remove a couple kicks 😭

[balmy forum]

bro that snare

vocals need co come up and could use some more processing like distortion

bass could come down

[runic adder]

lowk i think the vocals are fine

[balmy forum]

barely audible

[runic adder]

im hearing them perfectly fine though?

let me see if i can switch to my mopnitors

i cannot

through my headphones though the mix sounds fine

[balmy forum]

lol so weird

[wicked berry]

thanks will act on feedback except for vocals tbh

for leveling i was referencing nithing and its at the right volume to me

i dont want it to be front and center like deathcore if yk what i mean

more so a background sewer gurgle that almooost blends into the instrumental

[runic adder]

as it should be

man I love grindcore and slam

[vale vapor]

someone should gift me maxxbass my birthday is in 3 months 😁

😁 😁 😁 😁 😁

[wraith hare]

i just found out that you can increase snare volume for room

[balmy forum]

I probably can

i already have it

[vale vapor]

:O

[balmy forum]

i love doing this

[runic adder]

short ass clip, sorry, but it's the most recent thing ive actually recorded. Do the guitars sound/feel hollow or not present enough?

[formal hedge]

Nobody:
Absolutely nobody:
Guitar YouTube channels every 3 months:

[wicked berry]

I like ur di

[balmy forum]

its a squire tele

[timber forum]

Been a couple of days. routing drums for eqs and what not. finally got some low end. i know its not great but i do feel like im slowly improving. thats all i can ask lol. vocals are just a test with a buddy. nothing mixed there yet

[versed remnant]

working on my drum mixing

i want something super tight for my djenty stuff but also kinda versatile

i would appreciate any feedback on this

[versed remnant]

no mastering has been done besides a limiter but mix test

bumped up the drums

turned down some of the end on the guitars

how do i give my kick and snare more impact bro

im so lost

[formal hedge]

check out what's in this and see if it helps

[formal hedge]

drums are a bit too quiet

guitars kinda swallow the mix

[finite finch]

Would like feedback on here cuz i think the vox is really horrible mixed

Atleast to me

[finite finch]

A decent ezx kit

[timber forum]

Recommend turning down guitars a little and drums up?

[timber forum]

I did do this lol

Drums seem loud af to me

[formal hedge]

It's more about leveling with that because he uses compression for everything

Which makes everything super dynamic

[formal hedge]

Yeah probably

[timber forum]

Yeah I almost followed his methods exactly

[formal hedge]

What effects do you have on the drums/guitar?

[timber forum]

None. Just eq, compression.. and gate for guitar

Kept it simple

[formal hedge]

That's fine but I personally like some verb on kick and snare

[timber forum]

I guess I should’ve mentioned yes I have verb on kick and snare

Seperate bus going to just those two

[formal hedge]

Oh lmao

[timber forum]

I may just be fighting a little with levels and stuff now though. I feel as if it’s close to what I want it to sound like

MILES better than a week ago for me haha

[formal hedge]

I have it direct on both

[timber forum]

I’ll try that

I do wanna dial in the snare and kick a little more

[formal hedge]

That way you can adjust them for each

[timber forum]

Yeah gotcha

[formal hedge]

Because the snare and kick have very different needs for verb

[timber forum]

True

[formal hedge]

The snare needs to have a longer one than the kick, but not terribly much

Just some

[timber forum]

Yeah that makes sense

Just a little tail

Should I do that for snare top or bottom?

[formal hedge]

I have no idea, I route them all in one

Just "snare"

[timber forum]

Gotcha

[formal hedge]

And I have another for parallel comp

Which is 100% optional

[timber forum]

Other than those critics is it sounding decent?

[formal hedge]

Yeah

[timber forum]

Cool

[formal hedge]

It's pretty good just needs leveling work

[timber forum]

Bet

[runic adder]

Homie there’s no guitar in your guitars

[vale vapor]

Grrah

Room sound > verb

[formal hedge]

I always have SSD5's room turned very high up in my drum mixes

[vale vapor]

I haven't heard a recent drum mix of yours

[formal hedge]

I haven't sent any cuz I haven't had the time to work on them much

[runic adder]

Room sound + verb 🤤

(On snare)

[wraith hare]

hmmmm hmmmm

[timber forum]

@vale vapor is it sounding better to you?

[versed remnant]

My strings can’t handle the notes LMAO

Friggin periphery doing A# octaves on the lowest two strings

I can’t keep up anymore

[runic adder]

pitch shift 😭

[versed remnant]

I have to place my strings an octave apart my bottom two

I canmt pitch shift to tbag none of my guitars have a lighh enough gauge

[runic adder]

wha

sure you can

I pitch shifted from G to A for labyrinthian and my bottom string is heavy as shit

[runic adder]

what tuning does your guitar normally live in

[versed remnant]

E flat

[versed remnant]

I have to have my two lowest strings an octave apart

[runic adder]

i see

tough

[versed remnant]

A# A# D# G# C# F

[runic adder]

yeah that'll do it 😭

[versed remnant]

LMAO

I wanted his new baritone 6

But it’s 9 grand

I can’t afford his normal 7 string

[runic adder]

9 grand?

fucking hell

[versed remnant]

Yes..

[runic adder]

fuck that

[versed remnant]

It’s a custom shop jackson

[runic adder]

ive never seen a jackson worth 9k

[versed remnant]

Mishas normal 7 with jackson is 1 grand i can’t even afford that

[versed remnant]

Ah its the name

[runic adder]

most expensive guitar I've seen is $4k and that's etherial

[versed remnant]

But the whole album is probably gonna be in that tuning if they dropped a guitar for it

[versed remnant]

Jp majesty?

[runic adder]

?

[versed remnant]

I GET TO MEET PERIPHERY THIS MONTH AT A MEET AND GREET AND PRESHOWING OF THE NEW ALBUM

IM SO HYPE

[versed remnant]

Ernie Ball John Petrucci Signature

It’s around 4 grand

[runic adder]

oh

nah

[versed remnant]

I want that too for the acoustic spilt tone

It sounds so pretty

[runic adder]

https://www.etherialguitars.com/product-page/zatha-1
the price went way up since I last saw, prob because shipping

this is the one I meant

vocalist of my band managed to snag one off FB marketplace for like 4k i think

cool riff periphery

[timber forum]

is this steven slate 5 drums?

[timber forum]

better?\

[inland anchor]

Still don't have lyrics for the first part

[wraith hare]

ssd4

[quaint night]

We just dropped our new single Never Enough today. Curious what you think about it!

NEVER ENOUGH - Waves Like Walls [feat. Downpour]

Melodic Hardcore (wait for the breakdown in the end)

https://youtu.be/NlMl-yJTDk8?si=lstTOPXI17FycxP0

[runic adder]

extended it

[runic adder]

i fw this

[fringe geode]

@vale vapor @wicked berry

[balmy forum]

maybe look at redoing the verse hihat thing

its impossible

[vale vapor]

this is very well balanced

i'd say bass kinda feels a little awkward because it has quite a bit of mids? but it's not a huge issue

my only other commend is the snare room sounds kind of narrow

guitar tone is very good

[vale vapor]

haha i didnt even catch that

yeah triplet rolls on the hat with a sidestick

[vale vapor]

i think the uploader accidentally uploaded it in mono

it doesn't sound stereo

very narrow mix

musically, it sounds fine

i think something happening during upload

[balmy forum]

tell your drummer to hit his drums harder

[finite finch]

amazing! but i think its need to be in stereo

[quaint night]

@finite finch @vale vapor You’re absolutely right - something got fucked up in the upload 😩 That‘s not how it’s supposed to be. Working on it atm.

Meanwhile: on spotify (and other streaming platforms) the song is stereo

https://open.spotify.com/track/5YF3QUNPI7xR61kFOW1Izb?si=xUPsogMQQ2alJiExsTcE-g

[finite finch]

broooo this sounds so good

new follower

[balmy forum]

who mixed it?

[finite finch]

idk but to me sounds pretty good

[quaint night]

Mix & Master by our singer Marki
=> The Rat Studio (Ingolstadt/ Germany)

[balmy forum]

fixed the mix and added a few sections

[finite finch]

what drums are these?

[finite finch]

1 or 2

[balmy forum]

1

[finite finch]

is 2 actually worth it

[balmy forum]

ive said it before, M&M1 Is the goat, 2 is a corporate scam

not worth at all

if you are really unhappy with the amount of drums in 1, get SSD, m&m2 is an overpriced scam

all gtr tones and bass tones are free tho

[runic adder]

does the riff at 0:32 feel like too jarring of a change?

[formal hedge]

No

But also why is it so quiet

[runic adder]

becuse its a demo and im writing atm

no mastering chain

[runic adder]

loud

[runic adder]

ah nvm im scrapping the first half of it anyway lol :D

[wraith hare]

What's the bass

[fringe geode]

Thanks!

[finite finch]

What did u use?

For them?

[vale vapor]

a lot better on streaming! such a shame the video got messed up!

sounds great on there

not personally my favorite type of metal but the mix sounds good and is pretty unique!

[runic adder]

ibanez sr405epbdx

[wraith hare]

nice

[runic adder]

tone made with ndsp parallax

[wraith hare]

oooh

i have a parallax

[runic adder]

this might show off the bass a little more

not gonna clean it up because it's a demo for my band and we're working with a producer that isn't me so i dont care

[fringe geode]

I think my idea was since the guitar is both the rhythm and lead, due to the nature of the SLO-100, I added more mids to sort of fill in what I considered a sort of sonic gap.

[fringe geode]

Usually I have a Stereo Field Manipulator to combat that on the drum bus. I took it off though cuz it did weird things to the snare this time around. Might just put it on the room itself, I also have a hint of verb on it.

[fringe geode]

SLO-100 :3

[fringe geode]

I bet Chris Turner could do it XD

I jest, I'll take a look at it.

[vale vapor]

based soldano

recently ive been loving ENGL

powerball ii

[fringe geode]

Yeee. I find the SLO has a bit more color than the 5150 with a boost. Specially when you drive the power amp so that's what I used for the rhythm. Lead tone is Plini and that ambient tone is the Mesa Mark.

Usually the Mark and SLO is the other way around but I switched it for this song.

[vale vapor]

ahhh

so what does the poweramp actually do? i have a few amp sims that have a poweramp section but i'm not sure what it actually does

is it just a pre-eq curve?

[fringe geode]

Not it's post EQ. The more you push the power amp the more open pushed your frequencies become. The less you push the power amp, the tighter it becomes.

[vale vapor]

oohh

[fringe geode]

Yeah that's generally how MOST amps work. So when you push the master volume, you're pushing the power amp. And the Soldano, especially IRL likes the power amp to be pushed (aka play it loud).

But the power amp, generally speaking is post eq.

[fringe geode]

Now if you REALLY wanna get into the nerdy shit, try mixing the pre-amp sections of amps with the power amp sections of another. You can either get similar or WILDLY different results. Mesa power sections for example have a BIG effect on the tone.

You can't do that stuff tho with plugins YET. But it's only a matter of time.

[vale vapor]

I can do that in TSE x50 lol

Or with NAM models

Most modern guitar plugins don't have (or have hidden) poweramp sections cause no one really nerds about that stuff in the modern guitar age (sadly)

but older ones like TSE x50 have a whole section of the plugin dedicated to it

i can enable or disable it as well as swap the amp i'm using

[fringe geode]

Oooo

I did not know that.

[fringe geode]

I really want to try the "Mark Tremonti combo". Where he famously used a Dual or Triple Rec into a Bogner Uberschall.

[vale vapor]

this?

[fringe geode]

Lol kinda. That is the result of Tremonti fusing those 2 amps.

There's actually a 3rd channel on that amp based on his favorite Dumble.

[vale vapor]

did you get that one plugins NAM Universal?

you should try that out with some of these models

https://www.tone3000.com/search?q=uberschall

some good uberschall ones too

[fringe geode]

I have not yet. But I will :3

[vale vapor]

https://wavemind.net/software

its in the free section

😛

[fringe geode]

Thanks brotha man.

[wraith hare]

i like this track but idk where should i start the vocals

should i insert a section before the first verse or something

[inland anchor]

i would start on 10sec or 38

[inland anchor]

one sec

[inland anchor]

type shit lol

https://tenor.com/view/metalcore-asking-alexandria-breakdown-metal-gif-794654536342808050

[wraith hare]

i wanna have a crabcore band so badly

but everyone in my town listens to pop trash

you never said this would be easy

[balmy forum]

lepou legion, mesa 2000 IR, and for bass soft amp

[inland anchor]

same

[balmy forum]

maybe leave the bass out untill the drums kick in

[wraith hare]

eh guitar without bass sounds very thin in this context

[balmy forum]

yeah well thats kinda the point

that way it slams into a heavy part and the bass is a shock factor

contrast

[wraith hare]

lemme try this

[balmy forum]

yummy

[formal hedge]

Any feedback on the mixing here? @vale vapor @halcyon holly

[halcyon holly]

Something has gone very wrong in the kick or bass sub

Actually, i'm listening on my gf's airpods so get someone else to confirm

but sounding very blown out down there to me

like shit tons of 60-100hz maybe

apart from that the bass needs more grit / mids, and the guitars could do with coming up a bit

drums are very infront of the whole track

[formal hedge]

kick was clipping

that and a bass drop

[formal hedge]

I've just found it

There is FAR too much 80hz on my kick's EQ

[vale vapor]

Twin you made the EQ

Also are you cutting everything below 80?

And highpassing everything above 15k?

[formal hedge]

40 and 9.5k

[vale vapor]

Oh my hod

[formal hedge]

guide i was following

[vale vapor]

Don't just follow guides exactly

The EQ will entirely depend on the sound of your individual kick sample

[formal hedge]

quite a lot of things I'm changing there

[vale vapor]

Also personally i think that's just a terrible highly specific guide

I would never lowpass a kick

Especially at 9k???

[vale vapor]

full mix feedback since im home now:

• kick is basically inaudible (most likely due to that EQ)
• guitars are very thin and quiet
• cymbals way too loud
• yeah bass sounds like a rumbly mess and needs to be cleaned up a bunch

[formal hedge]

Yeah invisible kick is basically my biggest problem with mixing

It happens every time

[vale vapor]

start with EQing it in a way that helps it sit in the mix

and not in a way that makes it muffled

EQ isn't something you can throw on anything with a guide and instantly make it sound good

You need to EQ according to the needs of the song and the instrument

[formal hedge]

what exactly should i do? aside from removing the passes

[vale vapor]

passes?

oh

[formal hedge]

low and highpass

[vale vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8t7TysneyA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_b-6EOLiOE

watch the top one first, then the bottom one

[formal hedge]

alright, changed eq, still dissappearing in the full mix.

also turned cymbals down

[vale vapor]

Send an updated version

did you try just making the kick louder?

[formal hedge]

kick clips if I make it louder

[vale vapor]

What processing in total do you have on your kick

then everything else needs to come down

kick should be the loudest thing in the mix

kick and guitars

[formal hedge]

EQ - comp - verb (very low in mix) - limiter

[vale vapor]

Turn everything to -inf and put the kick at like -6 and then slowly bring everything else up in the mix

The kick should be the backbone

as well as the guitars

I usually pull this rebalancing move if my mix is just being weird and i need to re-stage it

[formal hedge]

Alright I did that, here's the mix now

[vale vapor]

i don't think you understood the point of that

The point of doing that was to make the kick the loudest part of the mix

[formal hedge]

Just fixed it

It's much louder than everything else

[vale vapor]

now follow the 2nd tutorial

it goes through eq, compression, gating, etc

the whole thing

any luck?

[balmy forum]

@vale vapor @halcyon holly feed back pls

[finite finch]

i do balancing before processing

is that good?

[runic adder]

that's typically the way to go about it yeah

Ideally you want that balance to stay while processing which is why you should try to tweak the output knob so that the processed and unprocessed audio are at the same volume

[finite finch]

i usually do the balance and i do processing after and i use the output knobs inside the plugins just to edit the volume after them so i dont tweak the finished balance

[runic adder]

there ya go

[finite finch]

i think it works

[runic adder]

imo that's the best way to do it

[finite finch]

my mixes got better thanmks to that

question

what instrument do yall start with first when mixing?

i've been starting first with drums

and then bass

and then guitars

[runic adder]

also drums

guitars and bass I flip around sometimes but typically I do drums > guitars > bass > vocals > impacts/production fx

[vale vapor]

Guitar and drums together

Then everything else as it comes to me

Vocals always last cause I'm lazy

[runic adder]

Here’s another fun answer to that: I mix them as I record lol

90% of my mixes I record at the same time as I write and do all that at the same time as I mix

[wraith hare]

Same lol

[vale vapor]

Same

[wraith hare]

Same

[finite coral]

yo what drums r this

[fringe geode]

EzDrummer 3 default. I mixed the kit.

[finite coral]

oH

[fringe geode]

So is this.

[finite coral]

i like the snare

[fringe geode]

Gretsch USA Chrome over Brass snare :3

[timber forum]

How we sounding? Feel like I can’t hear shit anymore lol

[fringe geode]

Hell yeah old school Death Metal. Or Deathcore?

Either way still sick. I'd bring the guitars up maybe like dB maybe half that.

It doesn't need a lot.

[fringe geode]

Was not expecting easy core guitars with thall drums (sonically).

Either way musically it's sick. Wish the drums were a bit more...raw? Dunno sonically they throw me off a bit from what the song sounds like.

The mix is not bad, in fact it's really good. It's more you seem to be forcing the two together rather than sonically serve the song.

Kinda reminds me Intervals' The Way Forward album.

[fringe geode]

Dude this is so fucking sick.

[fringe geode]

Jesus Christ we need vocals on this STAT. That guitar tone is also fucking DEADLY.

[fringe geode]

Kinda different. It's like taking Pink Floyd or Porcupine Tree and going Twelve Foot Ninja with it.

Bro you are just always fucking nutty. Also Touhou is secretly metal.

If Plini went Thall/Dj0nt (it's actually pretty cool).

[timber forum]

Thanks bro! Just some fun deathcore! Appreciate the feedback!

[balmy forum]

thats my fav lol

[formal hedge]

DUDE

One of the riffs on the Unbroken Reign record is LITERALLY this riff

It's just faster

[vale vapor]

Yeah that's the riff from a death like his

That's the di from the song

I was using it as an example of a good di

So no, it isn't faster

Its the same one

[balmy igloo]

Cinema

y'all like that

[finite finch]

@vale vapor

Yo

Pls

Dms

[vale vapor]

What?

Your dms are closed @finite finch

[finite finch]

I sent u a friend req

[vale vapor]

I don't think it went through

[balmy forum]

bro

lead

+interface

• guitar

=DI

[balmy forum]

dude did you seriosly just man splain a song to the guy who wrote it

[formal hedge]

Oh

Sounded faster comparitively

[vale vapor]

😭

[balmy forum]

it must be uncomfortable sitting on a fence

[runic adder]

idk man some people are into that

[balmy forum]

honestly idk, ask xenon to say it he will switch right away

[runic adder]

https://tenor.com/view/berdly-true-morgan-freeman-floating-deltarune-gif-8651189475319372795

[balmy forum]

@formal hedge xenon said he likes mens arms around him in don't tap the glass

[wraith hare]

What

[balmy forum]

lol i dont know the lyric

it sounds like that tho

[vale vapor]

That lyric is about God

[balmy forum]

oh shit my bad

[runic adder]

Lmao

[finite finch]

Sent u again

[blissful cliff]

What is this conversation 😭 😂

[vale vapor]

Idk man😭

[formal hedge]

My brother in Christ what are we talking about 😭

[runic adder]

i mean yes xenon is in fact a brother in christ

[balmy forum]

wh

engleish

[runic adder]

yes I made my statement in english

xenon is in fact a brother in christ

[balmy forum]

i diddnt get enough sleep to be a human brb imma go chug a monster

[runic adder]

real

[granite mist]

dont mind me just ripping off currents

[formal hedge]

never heard currents but this is great

[runic adder]

I mean you basically just heard em lol

[runic adder]

Good shit

[turbid radish]

anything sticking out as bad here? maybe cymbals?

@runic adder remember me? 😈

[runic adder]

Yeah

[turbid radish]

LOL

[runic adder]

Give me a sec to get back to me PC

[turbid radish]

!!

ty

[runic adder]

I see you’ve definitely gone the vkei route lol

[turbid radish]

in this song?

[runic adder]

I mean the last two have reminded me of vkei bands I’ve heard

Can’t quite put my finger on it but it’s there

[turbid radish]

some actual vk shi i made before

type beat

the metalcore would be like loudkei but this is like traditional asf

old song here

[runic adder]

mix-wise, the kick has this weird ring at the top of the click? like a little squeak

imo the solo is a little odd

[turbid radish]

AH!! i hope thats not the room track lol

even tho thats just a muffley dull reverby kick kinda

[runic adder]

nah it's in the high end

[turbid radish]

yeah i wanna redo the solo for a bunch of my songs

if u ever feel bad about your songs or mixes, heres some shit i made like 2 to 4 years back, lol

._. this is so cringe. in no god above, i was legit doing a scream that creates subharmonics by being all gurgly and out of sync and shit

[runic adder]

okay my thoughts are compiled

• I think the snare is too dark compared to the kicks
• Check 8k on the kicks, I swear there's some kind of odd frequency in there
• Toms have the same issue as the snare

[runic adder]

for no god above

[turbid radish]

but if i take out 8k, will it still sound like my dream type writer kick?

[runic adder]

not all of 8k

[turbid radish]

thats the only thing im scared about dipping this 8k or whatever high end lol

[runic adder]

there's a squeak in that range somewhere

maybe isolate the kicks and I could show ya where

[turbid radish]

@runic adder er is it not the 400 range in the room? lol

xD

[runic adder]

no

[vale vapor]

• kick has a crazy high treble boost that needs to come down
• kick almost completely lacks sub and is all low-mid
• snare sounds incredibly muffled and quiet compared to the rest of the drums
• solo guitar tone is quite different compared to the rhythms, and many of the notes are completely out of scale
• all guitar is out of tune in parts

[turbid radish]

parts as in solo parts or all parts?

[vale vapor]

All guitar parts are out of tune in random places

almost as if you hit the strings too hard

and they bend out of place

[turbid radish]

i wanted a type writer type kick aw lol

ig i took it too far

[vale vapor]

you are correct, the kick has an extremely harsh blip in the 8k range

[vale vapor]

you don't get this by blasting 8k

you get it by choosing a kick sample that works with the mix

[turbid radish]

but i boosted 1.5 k

[vale vapor]

maybe a sample of a kick with plastic or wood beaters

[turbid radish]

maybe its my fresh air vst

[vale vapor]

you don't need fresh air on a kick 🙏

I tell people this all the time, that people need to use "specialized" vsts way less

just stick with regular eq and compression for 99% of things and your mixes will be better

[turbid radish]

i thought it was gonna enhance my kick for sure with its harmonic content idk

but you are right this made it worse

new kick

[runic adder]

i believe it might also be exacerbated by whatever is on your mastering chain

but it's like right on 8000hz on the kick

the little blip

[runic adder]

much better

[turbid radish]

part of me thinks its this room track right here lol

[runic adder]

what about the room

[turbid radish]

its dingy

[runic adder]

no

[turbid radish]

here it is without ozone though. better?

it cant be my mastering chain if not

[vale vapor]

something is going on with the sub too

it sounds like there's no bass

[turbid radish]

on my bass guitar?

[vale vapor]

no the kick

There is only bass in the sides and not in the middle

what is going on

how does your kick room have more bass than the close kick 💀 😭

[turbid radish]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........................ i thought this vst my friend would MONO the bass. i f'ed up

[vale vapor]

context: the dim blue is sides, brighter blue is mid channel

[vale vapor]

stop using specialized vsts

they are clearly not helping your mixes

what ever happened to that one time i tried to have you mix only using stock EQ and compression?

[turbid radish]

nvm that was only on the room

but if the overall kick is like that, idek

[vale vapor]

What is your entire processing chain on the kick

[turbid radish]

ambient kick choices in ssd maybe

[vale vapor]

it's definitely not that

Rbass??

[turbid radish]

ya

[vale vapor]

what do your eqs look like

both of them

[turbid radish]

uh i changed it now XD i dipped 400 way down and boosted 1.5k way up

took both out

thats all i had

[vale vapor]

you had that on both eqs?

[turbid radish]

no.

._.

[vale vapor]

I asked what do both your EQs look like

[turbid radish]

well the thing is

my second eq is just a volume booster ser

[vale vapor]

??

Just turn up the track

[turbid radish]

i was well gatekeeping that

[vale vapor]

you shouldn't be using an EQ as a volume boost

Literally use the fader

or the output knob in SSD

[turbid radish]

its ok i just like it this way cuz i keep all faders at 0 middle default for the sake of my eyeballs

[vale vapor]

???

😭 bro

[turbid radish]

but it makes only time exportation difference i think

[vale vapor]

all i can say is just don't do that

[turbid radish]

er is rbass making my kick sound too stereo?

its not mono rbass

[vale vapor]

you keep finding new ways to completely floor me in how you do things

Literally just stick to EQ and compression

[turbid radish]

no rbass.

[vale vapor]

you do NOT need all that extra stuff, especially on processed SSD kicks

[turbid radish]

:(

it wont be the same. goodbye rbass rest in peace

@vale vapor better?

[runic adder]

holy snare room

[turbid radish]

yaaa. ._. nvm i embarassed myself and made the room too loud here im a mess ik guys

[runic adder]

youre not a mess

[vale vapor]

i can't tell if the kick changed at all

[runic adder]

one mix with issues does not mean youre a failure or a mess

chin up, eyes forward mate

[vale vapor]

I honestly think you've just repeatedly built a bunch of bad habits and now you just do them by muscle memory on your mixes

[runic adder]

if you gotta start from 0 again do it, just keep trying at it

[vale vapor]

Yep

[turbid radish]

here it is it sounds more classy than previously lol

[vale vapor]

this is a little better

Two main things i notice are

• the snare sounds like it has a clap layered in it

• the kick has this weird boom in the rooms at like 400-500hz

[turbid radish]

yea i thought so too

[turbid radish]

nope. just the worst eq ever

i got it like this now minus my mastering

[vale vapor]

this is the best it's sounded in a while

still a huge spike at like 8k

can you show me what all your EQ on the kick, rooms, and master looks like?

i think we'll find the origin of some of the issues in there

[granite mist]

Went to see currents live a couple days ago and cooked that up right after 😂

[turbid radish]

@vale vapor i think i fixed the annoying kick issue

im trying a lofi kinda telephoney vocal mix too but idk. i think its hella lowk stylistic but idk

[turbid radish]

if u still want me to i can

[runic adder]

how's the low end on this?

been having some issues w it recently and on my headphones atm i don't have the best bass response

[vale vapor]

I think it would be a good experience

[vale vapor]

this is possibly the best mix you've done yet

What was the issue with the kick?

Cleans are pretty weird sounding, offbeat and off key

Your lows are the best i've heard them

your mids are kinda buzzer-y

Solo is still very offkey

[vale vapor]

its pretty mushy

I wonder if you highpassed the guitar a bit higher and maybe turned down the drive on the bass

The bass sub should be a little more frontal than the guitar, and right now i think the guitar's low end overpowers the bass

great sounding drums btw

I think the kick could be a little louder

[turbid radish]

How can I change the weirdness for future reference? Is it how I sang or moreso the mix?

[vale vapor]

Moreso how you sang it

Pronunciation and timing is weird

I'd advise looking up basic singing tutorials on good mouth shapes, tone, and projection

[turbid radish]

I wonder if it's cuz I'm Canadian singing like Ronnie radke 😭

[vale vapor]

I've said this before but it sounds like you're doing a voice

[turbid radish]

Yeah my timing was ass

Probably just a monotone boring voice but it's natural._.

I just sound like a fake voice

[vale vapor]

Watch some chris liepe videos

He's the goat

[turbid radish]

In the future I'm gonna try more actual technique and power and style if I can

[runic adder]

wonder not because that's what I did here

[vale vapor]

sounds better

still some honk at like 100hz i think?

[turbid radish]

general bad eq equally both bad for the kicks main and room tracks

[vale vapor]

Can you show what the EQ curve was?

[turbid radish]

no its gone now

but i had to eq the highs out of the room track heavily and turn it down like i used track spacer for the side chaining which made it too high endy so i eq'd it out after

but main kick was just out to lunch with the lack of 400 hz and the 1.5k boosted for clickiness

[vale vapor]

Yeah just stay away from those specialized plugins

You really don't need them

[sharp mountain]

starting off like sit and mourn and ending like + sargasso +, all in the same runtime as infinite baths...what am i doing

do yall have any critiques about this track, possibly the ambience or levels or the likes?

[granite mist]

Mmmmm yummy string noise from the camera

[fringe geode]

@vale vapor @runic adder @wicked berry

This project was made like 4 or 5ish years ago when I didn't know shit and has gone through so many revisions over the years as I've learned more and more on how to mix. But this is pretty close to what I hear in my head. It's the one song that shows my love of Pop Punk, so it's not supposed to sound super modern or anything.

[fringe geode]

This is sick. I dunno how ppl play riffs like this. Es spooky.

[fringe geode]

Good sir what are u scoring for? Final Fantasy? XD

[mortal dock]

Oh nah that was a mockup practiced based on a track from Limbus Company!

I do have some original thingies I'm working on in that sorta style ish tho

[fringe geode]

Hell yeah brotha keep at it!

[fringe geode]

@mortal dock BTW wot u think?

I'm sure as a vocalist it give u ideas.

[mortal dock]

Me laik the chorus

[fringe geode]

Hell yeah :3

[runic adder]

https://tenor.com/view/yi-sang-yisang-limbus-company-limbus-lcb-gif-7081599124992218409

Just fought that boss for the first time the other day, did not expect it to go that hard

[vale vapor]

Tuff

drums are a little too clipped for my liking

guitars sound great

youre always on point with guitar tone lol

i wonder if you could help me in recreating this guitar tone that i love and havent been able to replicate

[fringe geode]

Thanks! Comes with being very picky with what I wanna hear.

[fringe geode]

Oh?

Do tell.

[vale vapor]

Yeah! im pretty sure i have a general idea of what amps were used

but i could be wrong

let me send the song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idCtQwn3e60

[fringe geode]

Try and guess :3

[vale vapor]

guitar tone is super clear in the intro

so this is the best example

The producer told me that when this came out, circa 2010-2011 he was using a lot of Diezel Herberts

Do you think that's accurate?

Ive gotten relatively close but not that close

ill try to recreate it again some time tomorrow

[fringe geode]

Hmm....he's blending a lot of shit together....I can definitely hear the Soldano in the upper mids and a bit of the JCM in the mids. It's how he's able to get than nice thick balance. But Diezel....I dont know much about the Diezel sound tbh. It's probably the only one of the big 3 German amps I'm super unfamiliar with.

[vale vapor]

I did a little diezel test a while back and it does sound pretty similar

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17B0MzrYzRVpa5plJMTEouf9Xew65LscK/view?usp=sharing

[fringe geode]

The issue comes in where he's also blending cabs. You're never gonna get the sound right because cabs and the speakers and how they age are just wild. Nolly has multiple videos on it with GGD as well as collabs with others.

[vale vapor]

Ahh i see

I do have that one guitar tone sim that has VIR tech in it, i wonder if that could come in handy

the one where you can move the mic in simulated 3d space and it changes the IR based on that

[fringe geode]

Yeah unlike amps where they have a sound, cabs and speakers age and that sound will change the more they are broken in. So a cab with say V30s (common example) will sound hella different in like 5 years depending on how hard they are used compared to a relatively lightly used or new set.

So a lot of those cabs used in the big albums of the 2000s were already somewhere between 5 to 10ish years old give or take.

[vale vapor]

Oh that's crazzyy

Thankfully i think i can get relatively close with corrective EQ even if the cab isn't exact

[fringe geode]

Yeah its fucking weird and something I hadn't considered until Nolly explained it to Rabea and Kohl.

So around 09 or 2012....those Mesa cabs were probably late 90s to early to mid 2000s cabs (sort of a guess) and that 1960 cab probably matches that 900, so I'd say a mid 90s ish Marshall cab. Don't remember what kind of speakers the 90s Marshalls had.

[vale vapor]

Record came out 2010 if you want an exact year

so it was probably recorded in 2009

well it came out november 2010

so recorded in early 2010

[fringe geode]

Oh yeah. A lot of those cabs were definitely mid to late 90s early to mid 2000s.

[vale vapor]

i downloaded a bunch of IRs of mesa 4x12s from that era

2002

and one from 2000 as well

this one is amazing

i use this IR so much

and he said it was a 57+421 combo

and this has that, plus i guess a blend of 441

[fringe geode]

I bet. A lot of cabs and speakers from that era are considered some of the best sounding in the world.

[vale vapor]

I agree 😂

[fringe geode]

There's a reason guys like Nolly and Mikko horde that stuff XD

[vale vapor]

i also have ALL of these LOL

so im sure i'll find something that sounds close

[fringe geode]

Oh yeah this already ball park right here.

[vale vapor]

Yeah i feel like its relatively close

just needs some adjusting

[fringe geode]

At this point it comes down to production and figuring out which amps he's blending and how he's blending them.

[vale vapor]

ive never actually blended amps before

i have no idea how to do that

do you just send the same DI to two different amps on different channels?

[fringe geode]

Unfortunately there's so much production going on its hard to tell where one amp starts and where the other ends.

[vale vapor]

I isolated those guitars actually a while back

let me try to do that again rq

phase cancellation babyyyy

[fringe geode]

The way I usually do it is have one amp on one track and then another amp on another track. Record them like I would normally. Here's the tricky part tho. You have to EQ them separately to sort of get them to mate with each other before you put them into a bus. Otherwise if you put them into a bus and then EQ them, it'll just get messy.

That's the way JST does it when he's blending amps using the same IR.

[vale vapor]

im gonna do this tomorrow i cant figure out what i did LOL

[vale vapor]

ahhh

[fringe geode]

The other way I've done it is kinda weird but it works. I dual track the same amp and process it like I normally would but then I do the same thing with another amp with the same IR and lower it until you can't hear it, then raise it up until I only barely hear it. So the riff is technically quad tracked, but the second time I double track with the other amp, it's only loud enough and EQed enough to have the frequencies I need to sort of fill out any gaps.

[vale vapor]

Gotcha

[fringe geode]

Rabea does this a lot. He'll take a 5150ish tone and a Marshall tone and smush em together. I'm sure there's more ways to do it too. But these are just the ways I've done it.

[mortal dock]

Frrr, how close did I get?

[runic adder]

Hold on lemme A/B it

pretty damn close

good job

[vale vapor]

Thank you!!! Super informative

[fringe geode]

Np! Being a gear nerd definitely helps lol.

[finite finch]

Guys what do we think of this i js made

[cerulean storm]

Just gotta bring myself to record some vocals now.

Maybe I'll bring down the leads a bit

[real harness]

I know that it's a place for mostly music stuff. But Im just so proud of how I edited and color graded this video, so I have to share it.
https://youtu.be/YWBG_2nVCtg?si=QGycaFqnMTC10tQM

[iron elk]

ahh cant turn backs cousin, can turn forward

[fringe geode]

That tone is vicious

[finite finch]

Mm what is that mean?

[fringe geode]

Ur guitar tone is mean af. Thats what it means.

[finite finch]

Lol

🔥 🔥

[fringe geode]

Although I would make one suggestion. It has sort of a cocked wah kinda thing going on. If you can get rid of that just a bit it'd be better

[finite finch]

Idk what that would be

[fringe geode]

Check ur mids.

[vale vapor]

Yeah i keep saying his mids sound cranked

LOL

[runic adder]

the fuzz pedal

[finite finch]

They dont sound like that in my headphones

[vale vapor]

Your headphones may be lacking mids, so you might overcompensate by turning your mids up too high

[finite finch]

I have 2 headphones, one that i hear the mids and one i dont

Almost dont

[vale vapor]

😭

[finite finch]

But when i compare with pro album records both headphones have mids

[vale vapor]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[finite finch]

You are supposed to help

[vale vapor]

That's a bit rude

[finite finch]

Why u reply with this

[balmy forum]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

wait @finite finch DT-770s?

[wraith hare]

dang

[formal hedge]

I am not good enough at guitar to write stuff like this lmao

[eager sphinx]

thoughts on this new riff/potentially new song im making?

[inland anchor]

I love writing shit that I can't play

Since I'll never do live shows I don't have to
Right?

Right?

Type shit😭

[inland anchor]

Sick riff
Love it
You can also also try to do the longer intro
With the melody you had in the beginning but also adding drums playing on toms and maybe bass going all the time
Something like knocked looses Take me home 39s part

[eager sphinx]

ooo maybe

ill definitely experiment more with it

[inland anchor]

Ping me when you have a longer version

[eager sphinx]

[finite coral]

i know people who cant do simple one string leads and theyve played for almost 20 years

of their own song

[inland anchor]

I can't do some faster stuff
And pretty simple leads but like there's still some of the stuff that I wrote and genuinely struggle to play

Like this

More of a "tech" riffs

Ore the ones that I don't know how tf I wrote lol

Sometimes you just have a good day and write some insane shit and then like
"How I did that"

[finite coral]

i like this snare

do u record the di and have an amp sim over it or do u record after the amp sim

or real amp

i found splicing stuff i cant play to sound better just by having an amp sim in the project and recording the raw di instead

wait is that odeholm or am i tweaking

[inland anchor]

Di

[inland anchor]

Yup

Now I use Sleep token drums more but Odeholm too sometimes

[finite coral]

i like odeholms cymbals but i tried to make the kick sound normal cuz i dont do thall 😭

also quadtracked for no reason but i already had a quad setup and they sound bad on their own

[eager sphinx]

i slightly prolongued the start, boosted the drums, and added an energetic part right after

[runic adder]

did i finally get the low end right

[eager sphinx]

i have yet another updated version i added some melody to the energetic part and it sounds hella good imo

[karmic plinth]

I love all of the little nuances I can here, vocally I cab hear a bit of Tool x Breaking Benjamin x In Flames, which is awesome, but then the simple chugging of the music is really effective

I wrote and recorded 4 songs, all instrumentals, 2 of which HAVE lyrics but havent recorded vocals yet
Im also not super familiar with how to mix & master

[granite mist]

no shame at all

[eager sphinx]

this is really runing out quite well in my opinion

[fringe geode]

Thats actually pretty close. Just practice that.

[fringe geode]

Dude that's nice. Needs a bit more spice tho. But I'll leave that up to u.

[fringe geode]

I'm sorry HUH

[inland anchor]

a little bit of brr brr lol

[fringe geode]

I know but like my brain went "How does one play that."

[inland anchor]

its playable but defienetely not as clean as on recording

[fringe geode]

Like this top one I'm like "what is happening."

[inland anchor]

oh yeah it has funny tapping lol

[inland anchor]

lemme find isolated guitars from it

[fringe geode]

@inland anchor I got this one from a while back that is pretty tricky.

[inland anchor]

here

first one

[fringe geode]

Ohhhhhh.

[inland anchor]

solid stuff

[fringe geode]

It's a lot of switching between heavy downpicking, tremolo, and strumming

Especially in that one part.

[inland anchor]

i use downpicking only for djunts or when i want my guitar to sound japanese lol

it doesnt make sense but yeah

[fringe geode]

It kinda makes sense.

Like JRock style.

[inland anchor]

this one is also funny

nodern deathcore be like

[fringe geode]

Drums go brrrrr

[inland anchor]

yeah i love em fast

[fringe geode]

I also got this one @inland anchor

Bit more 80s inspired.

It's the leady kinda thing near the end that gets ya.

[inland anchor]

0:50 riff is sick

and the transition after it

check this

its not hard but funny

i like the waltz part here

i also have vocal version but its not very good

[fringe geode]

It's rhymically pretty hard cuz it's all 16ths.

And u gotta palm mute em too.

[inland anchor]

fuck i just noticed i muted lead guitar

[fringe geode]

I remember hearing this a while back. Didn't this have vocals at one point?

[inland anchor]

yep i have a vocal version

[fringe geode]

Yeah the song is pretty sick :3

[inland anchor]

heres this part with a lead

[fringe geode]

Nice :3

I'm assuming your normally a rhythm player?

[inland anchor]

yup im not a great with solos

the closest i got to writing one is this

one sec

but i never finished it lol

[fringe geode]

That's pretty sick. Plus GOD DAMN the production.

[inland anchor]

yeah its a sick part

one sec

never finished it either

[fringe geode]

Jesus Christ.

That's sick

Man I need to learn to scream.

[inland anchor]

im not that good at screaming either

also i do it prety rarely

[fringe geode]

For someone who does rarely its sick.

[inland anchor]

thanks!

i would love to be a vocalist in some band lol

since i don't really play guitar or bass anymore

[fringe geode]

I would love to play drums again.

I was a drummer before I was a guitarist.

[inland anchor]

i started as a bass player lol

[fringe geode]

Ahh sweet

That makes sense.

[inland anchor]

fuck i made one sick asf intro but i can come up with a riff for it

[fringe geode]

Bass players are like secretly the most talented people in the room.

[fringe geode]

Fuuuuuuck me.

That shits fire

[inland anchor]

yeah but i havee no riff for it lol

[fringe geode]

This is like way on the other side of the spectrum.

[inland anchor]

sick clean tone

or not clean clean but clean enough lol

[fringe geode]

It's played on a modded HSH Strat with the pickup position between the neck hum and mid single.

And the whole point is no high gain. Clean and crunch only.

So I'm switching a lot between in between postion and the bridge hum.

[inland anchor]

found stuff from my old anime slam band lol

[fringe geode]

Anime slam band? That's a thing?

[inland anchor]

yup

[fringe geode]

Okay that's different. O.o

[inland anchor]

check UwU and Dehumanizing itatrain worship

[turbid radish]

how is my latest mix

[fringe geode]

I will nao.

[turbid radish]

trying thall amp too here

@vale vapor ;) new mix!!!!!! LOL

new mix new me

[fringe geode]

This is pretty nice. You might wanna check ur upper mids a bit.

[turbid radish]

on the master?

[fringe geode]

Nah on the guitars.

[inland anchor]

oh and yanderechainsaw

[fringe geode]

The rest of it is fine.

[turbid radish]

too much too little? whats your opinion lol

[inland anchor]

probably the most famous lol

[turbid radish]

i thought these were nice and lazery

so i cant really tell

[fringe geode]

Nah nvm I'm tweakin ignore me XD

[turbid radish]

O_o

all i know is that i used ozone to make it like follow the signs like born of osiris, LEL

for the master

[fringe geode]

I was on the bus listening. But I'd definitely, make that solo brighter.

[turbid radish]

yeah it might have sounded off cuz its a different amp but idk

its jason richardson for the lead

from mixwave

maybe i should up its presence or treble or something

[fringe geode]

Its nice a liquidy but just needs a brightness boost.

[turbid radish]

would it still sound liquidy?

[fringe geode]

Anime slam is a thing.

[vale vapor]

definitely your best mix yet

though drums sound really weird still, and i have a few things about the actual guitar arrangements themselves that sound weird

[turbid radish]

i like nocturnal bloodlust @fringe geode O_O

[fringe geode]

I have learned something new.

[inland anchor]

ofc i wanna see my old bands logo?

its funny

[fringe geode]

Sure XD

[inland anchor]

thats for my anislam band

[turbid radish]

holy moly

god bless ai

[fringe geode]

Ahhh yes. The unreadable logo.

[inland anchor]

thats not ai

[turbid radish]

im trying to ragebait

[inland anchor]

i actualy can read it

[vale vapor]

• Kick sounds like it's being clipped
• snare kinda sounds flat tonally, like it's one big slap instead of a dynamic instrument
• Kick patterns don't sync up with guitar in multiple parts
• piano is barely audible and seems to be fighting with the guitar tonally as well as musically

Still somehow the best mix you've done yet

[inland anchor]

its a disproportionately huge fucked up chainsaw lol

[vale vapor]

also overheads might be highpassed too far up

[inland anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/bridget-oomfie-guilty-gear-bridget-guilty-gear-bridget-oomfie-gif-16287336221313449026

[fringe geode]

YOU CAN?! Damn maybe I'm just dyslexic then XD

[turbid radish]

im gonna be honest my homie. someone recommended an exciter like fresh air on the overheads so i actually tried it

[inland anchor]

if you know the name the moment you see first few latter's you can read it

[turbid radish]

it hindered me .-.

[inland anchor]

or letters

i forgot the word

[vale vapor]

mannn just stick to EQ and compression

specialty plugins are NOT helping your mixes

for the 9th time LOL

[turbid radish]

no i understand

im seeing that lol xD

[vale vapor]

also your waveform is really weird in that audio

the drums stick out too much and are too loud

[turbid radish]

yeah i should change my actual kick patterns for the guitars

[turbid radish]

but sometimes i was going for a prog feel and i hope that wasnt noticeably bad at any of that intention lol

[inland anchor]

It's fucked up but surprisingly readable

One dude drew it for me just cause he was bored lol

[fringe geode]

Exciters are a BIG iffy for me. Personally I use ThrillseekerXTC but that's because it works more like an EQ and I can easily control it. Standard exciters are sort of hard to control.

I would not use one on cymbals if they exceptionally BRIGHT.

If they are dark (like EZDs tend to be sometimes) then fine. Otherwise stay away.

[fringe geode]

Hell yeah.

[inland anchor]

But the band had pretty short life

We wrote a song about tea
Song about pope Francis and song about Easter

And then I was like
Yep
I quit guitar

https://tenor.com/view/beatrice-re-zero-gif-22045771

[fringe geode]

Lol I was in a band for a while. We had a revolving door of bassists before it just fizzled out.

I didn't quit guitar, just decided to play for myself rather than do the band thing.

[inland anchor]

I was in a few bands irl and online and all of the either broke up cause of the singers or died with me stopping playing guitar
One band died cause I fell for one of the members so I left

Being a solo musician fits me the most even though I would love to be in a band

[finite finch]

I have in mind to record an metalcore album, i record my vocals in phone mic 😭😭😭😭

[inland anchor]

Cause either it's a fuck ass singer who doesn't record his 1 min part FOR 6 MONTHS

Or the assholes in the band

[fringe geode]

Big oofiez

[inland anchor]

Yep
But happens

[finite finch]

I havent got an actual mic yet

[inland anchor]

🥀

[finite finch]

I have smth i will send later

[turbid radish]

did someone say anime slam? :) @fringe geode