Music Production

[grave marlin]

I think the 2035 would sound great on acoustic guitar, though I can not play acoustic guitar (or guitar at all lmao)

[stiff raptor]

LOL

[glacial portal]

SM7B goated.

[glacial portal]

I've played with some expensive mics. Neumann 184s, AKG C414, Octava MKO, TLM 103, just to name a few.

I very much liked the TLM a LOT.

[torn lynx]

is this better

[stiff raptor]

pretty good mix, kick sounds awesome

snare is kinda dry

and small sounding

[torn lynx]

yah, I dont really wanna change it tho

[zinc coral]

I like your server tag

[torn lynx]

Ty

[nimble nova]

perfect drums?

[torn lynx]

Yeah. With Thermal distortion, and OTT

[torn lynx]

what does the benevolent server think of this

[torn lynx]

a version with better bass

[zinc coral]

@stiff raptor as much feedback as possible pls

[zinc coral]

this image only gets more confusing the more you look at it

[ruby jay]

this is so peak, I wish I had those stems 🥹

your mix is pumping, there is something about the low end that is boomy, and some impacts need to be balanced

[trim harbor]

You can get them for like a buck on this one website

That's what he did

[ruby jay]

it's been a while since I did a ntm session that was actually fire, no offense to any other songs on nail the mix

[trim harbor]

Wait I just found something wild

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4pMFOEYO98 @ruby jay

Trivium multitracks for free

[ruby jay]

ooh, insane DIs, but I don't have trivium drums 🥹

[trim harbor]

you don't need that

[ruby jay]

I'll use the bounce

yup it's there

[stiff raptor]

• low end has some untamed rumble to it
• kick gets a bit lost in some areas
• percussion loops a bit too loud
• snare could have a bit more snap to it
• just needs a better mastering chain

[zinc coral]

wdym by better mastering chain

[stiff raptor]

it sounds like a mix that hasn't been mastered yet

[zinc coral]

it has? how do i fix that

[stiff raptor]

some master bus compression, a TOUCH of widening, a little tape emulation, and a limiter at the end would fix it up a lot

[zinc coral]

i have all of that lol

[stiff raptor]

Toggle your master bus off

Now try to mix your session without the master bus to sound like it does with the master bus ON (when in reality it's off)

then turn the master back on

[zinc coral]

hold on leme switch back to ableton to master

[stiff raptor]

😭

you should try to hone your skills to work with whatever daw you're working in

[zinc coral]

wow yeah there is no difference

[stiff raptor]

oh 😭

that's even worse LOL

[zinc coral]

i know lol

[stiff raptor]

make sure you're actually using plugins to make an audible difference, and not using them because someone told you to

or because they're specialty

Mix with your ears

or in this case, master with your ears

[zinc coral]

ive only used rea plugins

@stiff raptor

How about now

[stiff raptor]

Alot better

percussion is still quite loud imo, it sounds louder than the kick and snare

otherwise good tho

[proper crane]

finished the instrumental

now time to wait and see if deadvectors will send me the lyrics, they aren't available anywhere online 😭

drone at the beginning is a little loud...

[stiff raptor]

Guys modern massive 2 is a year old today😭

[proper crane]

https://klipy.com/gifs/so-old--k01KQRD8SB528PPQ61WP8QMJ5CN

[zinc coral]

wait what

god damn

happy birthday m&m

[stiff raptor]

drum tone is awesome my dude

your stuff is great

[proper crane]

hell yeah

who wouldve trhought humanizing drums to not 127 every hit would sound good lol

[stiff raptor]

LOL

i still do this

depends on the project

mostly i'm just lazy

[proper crane]

fs

for the signs of the swarm cover I have the drums are at a solid 127

I just thought that this song, since the drums are so tasty, would sound good humanized

[stiff raptor]

yes

i tend to humanize stuff like fills and things to make it sound good

i have specific things i do with tom fills and kick rolls and stuff

that are just habit now

[proper crane]

it be like that

I started humanizing the drums while writing about halfway through lol

[stiff raptor]

yep

[proper crane]

The panic chords in the bridge sound weird listening back to it

Ugh

I don’t want to re-record 😭

[stiff raptor]

Doing more sound design for my sample pack

loooots of ambience

[grand jasper]

Huh

[grand jasper]

Dang

[stiff raptor]

more previews for my sample pack

[grand jasper]

was this made with serum

[stiff raptor]

post processing was done in serum

i have a lot of em

[grand jasper]

yea i see what you wrote in #1095990328303034410

sick

oop i mean feedback requests

lol

i hate that sickness destroyed my vocals for now

i'm actually thinking about remaking Attack Attack - The Revolution

[nimble nova]

Hows mix here?

I've been told the guitars are delayed but they're perfectly in grid and theres no latency

[nimble nova]

Happy birthday to a drum kit is crazy looll

[stiff raptor]

The guitars sound super delayed 😭

Midi guitars just be like that sometimes

(Just learn real guitar!!!!)

[nimble nova]

I dont have

How is it mixwise?

[stiff raptor]

Get one then

[nimble nova]

I cant afford one

[stiff raptor]

Im on phone speakers so

Make that your next goal

[nimble nova]

What thinf

Thing

[stiff raptor]

Getting a real guitar and learning it

[nimble nova]

I know the basics

[stiff raptor]

Midi guitar just sounds bad and has lots of issues

[nimble nova]

I had a acoustic guitar

And i played electric once

[nimble nova]

Thats my only resource

I dont have money either

I dotn work

[stiff raptor]

progress

😼

[zinc coral]

When do we get it

[stiff raptor]

how much would you buy it for

its got this plus other stuff

atmosphere, pads, synths, and a few drums

[zinc coral]

At least 70, look at some sample packs and base it off that

[stiff raptor]

what's your kick and snare processing chain? sounds great

i still think the snare is pretty dry but that kick is almost exactly how i'd process my own kick

[torn lynx]

I cant really do much about the snare

[stiff raptor]

just turn up the room mics and/or add some verb

maybe a short plate

theres lots you can do

[torn lynx]

Its just within the Perfect Drums mixer plus Thermal and OTT

[torn lynx]

Already there

[stiff raptor]

nothing else?

[torn lynx]

Yeah

[stiff raptor]

what's thermal

[torn lynx]

Its like Saturn but better

[stiff raptor]

ive been trying to find an alternative to saturn, is it free?

[torn lynx]

No lol

[stiff raptor]

i found one called Fire but it's not quite the same

sad

[torn lynx]

Yah

Thermal is really cool tho

I use it on almost everything, drums, guitar, and bass

[stiff raptor]

why on guitar?

[stiff raptor]

lmk if you ever find a free version lol

i try to make as much of my workflow as i can free plugins only

[torn lynx]

Same thing that Buster does.

[stiff raptor]

😭

oh

[torn lynx]

Distort the mids a little

[stiff raptor]

or just use the amp...........................

or a tube screamer before the amp

[torn lynx]

Real question why does everyone hat buster odeholm

[stiff raptor]

i dont hate him

[torn lynx]

Also thats not the same thing dude

[stiff raptor]

i just dislike his mixes

[torn lynx]

Thats not what its achieving

[stiff raptor]

im sure he's a great guy

I just think his mixes are overproduced and overhyped

too many people blindly imitate what he does/blindly use his plugins

[torn lynx]

Thats fair and I understand that

Also I was doing this thing with Thermal long before I knew about Buster

Its just easier to say the thing that people know about

Also even if you dont like his mixes you can still learn from how he produces

[zinc coral]

i dont hate him, i like his mixes, i dont like his plugins or advice

[torn lynx]

Wdym his advice? You mean the way he mixes?

[zinc coral]

like when he gives advice

its usually not very informative and often gets done wrong

[torn lynx]

So you like his mixes but u dont like how he explains it?

[zinc coral]

this is advice

[torn lynx]

The closest I've seen of him giving advice is him sharing tidbits and techniques he uses

[zinc coral]

when buster does that its really uninformative

[torn lynx]

Yes but thats case specific and universally useful

A lot of Busters techniques are random things that he likes to do

I wouldnt call that advice

A lot of what Buster explains seem specific to whatever hes doing, not universal solutions to a problem or case specific improvements to an individuals experience.

[zinc coral]

eh whatever, think what you wanna think

[stiff raptor]

time to make RISERS for my sample pack

[stiff raptor]

have a free riser sweep

risers sneak peak

[proven falcon]

kinda nervous posting here for the first time in a while

[stiff raptor]

composition is fun and crazy, good melodic parts

guitar parts are a bit chaotic and all over the place imo, but that's coming from someone who dislikes thall and adjacent genres

the blastbeat at the end is also a bit much

i also think the midi guitar could sound better if it was real guitar

[stiff raptor]

https://xenonstudios.gumroad.com/l/xs-megapack

hey everyone! I just launched my first ever sample pack!

It's 222 files, loops and oneshots

includes sub drops, huge impacts, atmospheres, synth loops, and more

its around half a gigabyte of audio!!

@zinc coral obligatory ping

[zinc coral]

im honored

if i can fuckin spell it holy

[nimble nova]

I only use his thall amp

[torn lynx]

I really dont like Thall Amp

[grand jasper]

Same

POD >>>>>

[nimble nova]

I use thall amp but with custom irs

So i technically use the amp only

I also use the legion amp sometimes which is free

[nimble nova]

I never used pod farm

[grand jasper]

Sad

Best amp sim ever

[nimble nova]

And the emissary amp i think

[nimble nova]

Very occasionally tho

[stiff raptor]

@grave marlin 😎

[grave marlin]

Honored to be here for the rise of Xenon Studios 🙏

[stiff raptor]

LOL

the empire grows

jk

[torn lynx]

Pod Farm is peak

[torn lynx]

Oh I used to use Legion a lot

[stiff raptor]

Cam told me great work on the pack 🥹

[grave marlin]

That's insane. You're out here making Chango 2.0 happen.

[tropic stream]

Not necessarily metal but still pretty heavy https://youtu.be/GLbfI5TE5i4?si=uuSRmyHWerY1Qc80

[ruby jay]

hell yes, congrats dude!

[trim harbor]

This person is a hero

[stiff raptor]

LOL

[trim harbor]

Tested them shortly after and none of them are slightly accurate lmao

[zinc coral]

maybe its your amp becuase when i tried them they were pretty good

[trim harbor]

It was archetype nolly which is really good with the NDSP irs

[stiff raptor]

Probably poor eq matches

[stiff raptor]

thick ahh drums

demo inspired by That's Outrageous

with my slate drum setup

[grand jasper]

Fop ahh drums

[torn lynx]

vocals

[stiff raptor]

better mix

[grave marlin]

That snare makes me giddy

[stiff raptor]

Yessir

PAH

[grand jasper]

Giddy up pardner

Yeehaw

[grave marlin]

Genuinely the PAHiest PAH

[stark tulip]

Not sure if this is the right plan but just a quick q with recording guitars

What should it typically be? Like optikn 2 is how ive been doing then tracking 2 x for solos and tracking 2x harmonies and panning l/r

Number 1:

• Track 1 (guitar 1): pan 100%L
• Track 2 (guitar 1): pan 100%L
• Track 3 (guitar 2): pan 100%R
• Track 4 (guitar 2): pan 100%R

Number 2:

• Track 1 (guitar 1): pan 100%L
• Track 2 (guitar 1): pan 100%R
• Track 3 (guitar 2): pan 100%L
• Track 4 (guitar 2): pan 100%R

[zinc coral]

1

i recomend only doing 2 mono though

[stark tulip]

Yeah so I record in mono then pan it but ive been doing my guitars evenly L and R

Then if i had like, say a intro rif that had a bulk rhythm but like an octave lead on it, just record a 3rd guitar and pan accordingly?

[zinc coral]

This is how you should do it|

2 Rythm guitars,
1 L100%
2 R100%

2 leads
1 Main C
1 Harmony C

Bass C

SHIT

i keep forgetting to press shift

[stark tulip]

Ooh okay,

Basically this is the set up for one of my songs

And what ive labeled "Lead" means like guitar 1 sort of thing

[zinc coral]

yeah you only need 1 lead

(no left and right)

[stark tulip]

Thank you

I have all the tracks so I'll rework my arrangements, it might explain why everythings so loud and the drums arent coming through ha

[stiff raptor]

I mean if you want to do a double tracked lead go for it

sounds wider

Just don't quad track the same part

[stiff raptor]

depends on what youre going for

[copper portal]

Came up with this :)

Damn the headphones next to phone mic technique does not work well

Imagine you can hear the amp louder than the strings 😭

[torn lynx]

Im still figuring bass out

I think I got it tho

[torn lynx]

this is the closest I've gotten I think. I will use this for something

[vital crest]

I fucking beg you to drop those songs somewhere

[zinc coral]

gad damn what is that

xenon would be proud

[zinc coral]

unwiden that

make it mono

[zinc coral]

gtr needs retracking is quite off time

[zinc coral]

snare needs to come up

and gtrs down

good tho it has deftones vibes

[torn lynx]

why

[torn lynx]

yah ik

Archetype Abasi is destroying my cpu

[torn lynx]

why

[zinc coral]

becuase its not an instrument that needs to be stereo, that just causes mud

that wayyou have gtrs in sides and bass in centre

its a wall

vs just in sides

[torn lynx]

Yeah

But I like having the low end of the bass stereo and the high end center

Idk it just feels nicer to me

[torn lynx]

Perfect drums with a sample of Utsus kick taken from his one live stream and then a sample of the FOP snare

[zinc coral]

but.. no

[torn lynx]

But I like it

[zinc coral]

whatever

[torn lynx]

Does it sound bad to you?

[zinc coral]

yeah it just sounds too wide

[torn lynx]

Hm

Oh yeah

[zinc coral]

it will clash with the guitars

[torn lynx]

Its on 100% mix

Its supposed to be 30%

So ur right

[torn lynx]

It doesnt I dont think.

[zinc coral]

it does

if you have 2 different parts in the exact same point of the stereo feild its going to cause mud

its the same thing that happens here

[torn lynx]

Huh. Ive only noticed that happen if its the same frequency band

[zinc coral]

the more you add, the more mud you get

we avoid that by seperating them

bass in centre, gtr in sides

[torn lynx]

Interesting

[ruby jay]

@grand jasper is this sturgis approved?

[ruby jay]

snare too loud 😩

[zinc coral]

why is the intention of modern music recently to sound fake

[ruby jay]

everybody wants to sound interesting, real sounds bland, fake sounds exciting

[zinc coral]

But to me it just sounds fake

[ruby jay]

real can sound interesting but that is purely subjective opinion

[ruby jay]

are you talking about something specific?

[zinc coral]

its not bad but it just doesnt have the same effect on me as somthing like this

[zinc coral]

things like FOP, midi bass, cameron mizell (sorry xenon)

[ruby jay]

fake sounded exciting, energetic and fresh, especially during the time this stuff was popular during 2005-2010 period

[zinc coral]

so weird

to me at least

[ruby jay]

it was purely public's subjective opinion, enjoy whatever you want, real or fake, music is awesome

[zinc coral]

its still really good, i just dont understand how or why it was done, and why is modern metal going back to a more real sound now

[ruby jay]

Well..... technologia developed, people got creative, they messed around to invent faster and effective methods to create music, and they utilised it more when it just came out, and eventually it gained traction and popularity and everybody started sounding the same, so I guess people are going back to sound "real" but really everybody is trying to find their unique sound, make a decision and stick to it, real recordings are more likely to sound unique

[zinc coral]

strange

oh well, thank you though

[ruby jay]

I was just yapping lol no need to thank me bro

[stiff raptor]

Fop wasn't made "to sound fake"
Midi bass was made for convenience (i always record real bass)
Cameron mizell worked with real drums for most of his career

So idk why youre associating that with all being fake

You're just wrong

[zinc coral]

its not fake

but it sounds fakew

[stiff raptor]

I mean that's your opinion

I don't use midi bass lol

I think your ear is still pretty fresh either way

[zinc coral]

i know but like

listen to fop

and then listen to modern and massive

[stiff raptor]

Modern and massive just sounds whatever

[zinc coral]

fop sounds like techno

[stiff raptor]

It's not exciting

[zinc coral]

modern and massive sounds like drums

[stiff raptor]

Your age is showing

[zinc coral]

dude how?

[stiff raptor]

😂

[zinc coral]

am i not allowed to have an opinion here

[stiff raptor]

You seriously remind me of me at your age LOL

[zinc coral]

and? its an opinion

i dont see the reason to belittle me

anyway, cameron and sturgis and others in that style just dont make sense to me. Dont get me wrong, they are amazing but i feel like they just sound fake, i get its a style choice but my main question is why are we reverting back to real sounding mixes further into the future, shouldn't it be the other way round?

[stiff raptor]

No😭

It's entirely subjective

We aren't moving in any direction collectively, music just does what it does

I completely disagree that we're moving into "more real sound" either, everything slathered with soothe2 and using zakk cervini jordan fish drums

It sounds way faker than sturgis or cameron, who actually used real drum recordings primarily

Cam only used fop to supplement as a layer, he used real drums for most of the big name stuff he did

[zinc coral]

compare a cmiz mix to a lance prenc mix,
cmiz sounds like all midi to me, lance actually sounds live

[stiff raptor]

Same with sturgis

[stiff raptor]

I mean... Full disagree lol

I talk to cam, so much of his career is all live

[zinc coral]

you are taking the worst examples lol

[stiff raptor]

And so are you

[zinc coral]

zac sucks ass

[stiff raptor]

You're speaking about producers you don't know much about

[zinc coral]

you litterally said it yourself that sturgis and cam "pioneered 2010 metal"

[zinc coral]

its not about the source

it may be live but he mixes in a way that doesnt sound live

imo

[stiff raptor]

You're speaking of producers you don't know much about

[torn lynx]

Genuinely why is this an argument any rational person would have? Like the point of music is that the person making it and ideally some of the people listening to it like it. Its like food. I dont understand why you can argue about it.

[stiff raptor]

I fully agree with you

LOL

It's entirely pointless

[torn lynx]

I cook for myself so I cant eat. Sometimes I cook for my family. I make music cuz I like it and sometimes I make music for people to listen to

[stiff raptor]

I'm convinced he's bringing it up for the purpose of questioning other people's tastes to elevate his own

[zinc coral]

im aware, it doesnt matter what you know about them but if you can hear a difference between them

[zinc coral]

no? im curious as to why that entire era sounds like that and how our current era is taking a step in the other direction

https://open.spotify.com/track/6lGiMmgJjLXJumyEgzYl7r?si=ef404423647b4445 lance prenc

https://open.spotify.com/track/1liJO1TUfFgfLGFJ8YMiCj?si=c45e4d1c171d4a7b cmiz

[zinc coral]

the drums in this sound way more midi like than lances

witch i understand is a style

but wouldnt we get more midi like as more midi tools come out

its just intresting to me personally

this shoulnt have been an argument

[ruby jay]

I like it when lance prenc does clean sounding mixes

[zinc coral]

"clean"

lol

[ruby jay]

yeah I mean it's not overly distorted like the new alpha wolf, or heavensgate

[zinc coral]

lol

i like cmiz, and lance

i just learn how to use clipping well from him

[ruby jay]

I keep watching his polaris ntm, the way he routes his stuff is interesting, I can't understand it well enough

[zinc coral]

i cant eaither lol, i gave up halfway through

[ruby jay]

the standardclip stack on the master makes no sense unless he is doing some serious input gain control with the gain plugin

[zinc coral]

mhm, i tried it out

you need a very wel balenced mix or it sounds like shit

[ruby jay]

i think your mix needs slight stereo widening, if you have ozone imager free, slight width adjustment on the master might make a difference to the guitars, also super clipped and yeah it needs to be super balanced like you said

[stiff raptor]

Such cherry picked examples

[zinc coral]

ok xenon just drop it and give up atp ur being childish

[stiff raptor]

LMAOOOO

[zinc coral]

anyway

have my clipped as hell sausage

[ruby jay]

I tried to really not make it clip this time, and a little prophecy test at the end because why not

[ruby jay]

were the vocals distorting that much in the raw take?

[zinc coral]

Yeah

The master is clipped to shit too so

[ruby jay]

damn, will ramos got gnarly aah vocals, oh yeah the master clipping is distorting everything

[zinc coral]

3 clippers

just cuz i can

[ruby jay]

add an ott as well while you're at it

[zinc coral]

lol i added ott to gtr di once

[ruby jay]

[zinc coral]

it actually wassnt too bas

BRO WTF

I CANT TYPE

[grand jasper]

can you send the name of this track

[zinc coral]

its giants

by jamies elswere

[grand jasper]

classic

[zinc coral]

and the other one is dissipate by polaris

[grand jasper]

is that snare 12a?

[ruby jay]

no it's still snare 11

didnt bother changing it

ok so, it'a 12a now, massive improvement

maybe not massive, i can't pick between the two, both sound similar

[grand jasper]

i think 12a is ringier

[grand jasper]

i'm going off jst bus glue plugins and try to mix stuff with waves stuff instead

the snare seems too thin sometimes and levelling seems to not help

[ruby jay]

try kilohearts compactor instant ducking preset on the cymbals, sidechain cymbals ducking on snare hit

it doesnt sound pumpy, instantly ducks

[grand jasper]

i'm also gonna try levelling more maybe

[ruby jay]

yeah leveling helps, maybe your snare too compressed at the moment, the transients not quite coming through the snare top

the snare by itself sounds fine, the cymbals drown out the snare

if leveling doesn't work go the sidechaining route

[grand jasper]

mkay

[ruby jay]

it could also be a instrumental bus issue, maybe the bus compression is killing the transients and bringing up muddy frequencies

i heard the snare more clearly in parts where the bass stops playing and it's just guitars, vox and drums

[trim harbor]

They're mixed differently but saying Cameron's drums sound fake is just inaccurate

Now if you want a mix that sounds fake?

https://open.spotify.com/track/0PsFsv5xUyX06ZhIEtFkeA

[ruby jay]

then mix like cervini

oh shit

[trim harbor]

LMAO

[ruby jay]

you read my mind haha

[proper crane]

Everything is fake, nothing is real, nothing matters anyway. Give into the nihilism and use EDM samples for everything who gives a fuck

[ruby jay]

music is made to be enjoyed

we analyse the realness or fakeness for our own knowledge

[trim harbor]

This track in particular is very bad with the drums, I love this song but the mix drives me mad at this point

The drums are way too low in the mix as well

@zinc coral https://open.spotify.com/track/1LGqyrn248kxxhSC0AHRRo

This one is also really bad

A good example of fake sounding... basically everything

Including vocals

[ruby jay]

I was convinced zakk cervini uses midi guitars at one point

[trim harbor]

And then compare it to this https://open.spotify.com/track/68t4Xfdn7tGagTY712tStZ

Entire mix by Cameron

Sounds way realer than either of those two

[trim harbor]

He chops them to remove the silence

I do that occasionally but only when I need to

[ruby jay]

idk they both have a certain sound, but the way zakk mixes, he gives kick and snare the most priority

even more than guitars or vocals

that track is horrendously done lmao, so pumpy it doesnt even sound musical

[trim harbor]

That whole album is a shit show in every way

For every 1 good song with a bad mix there are 4 literal shit bricks

[ruby jay]

the previous sleeping with sirens album is also a cervini production

[trim harbor]

Complete Collapse

Right?

[ruby jay]

yeah

[trim harbor]

I could tell some differences in that to their usual style

Glad they're back to the good stuff on this new album

[ruby jay]

I don't hate all cervini productions, the octane stuff (architects, the plot in you, bad omens, bmth, spiritbox, we came as romans, I prevail, poppy, amira elfeky) I don't like as much as I used to

sometimes I still like pop punk/ alt rock stuff like simple plan, all time low

structures and termina are my personal favs, I like mixes with dynamic drum parts that stray away from the usual four on the floor simple drum beat

the new motionless is meh, kick is too thuddy especially during fast parts, snares sound like gunshots, sometimes that sound works for breakdowns but not for the entire mix

[ruby jay]

this is a really good example of drums being very low in the mix
https://open.spotify.com/track/0CPaMCUD85j07HZQi8sWXd?si=f9336b23d01e4404

you can barely hear the cymbals during the chorus

[ruby jay]

are you using xenon's pack

[grand jasper]

no

it's cmiz fx pack

hangar fx pack

these

also a sub drop

and a snare bomb

cam's samples really come in handy

[ruby jay]

the hit 1 sounds like one of the bells in vengeance kit

with room

[grand jasper]

@stiff raptor check this out

[stiff raptor]

u should get my pack its peak

[grave marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/crabcore-guitar-gif-11142453

[grand jasper]

yea i literally just ripped party foul in pre breakdown section

and i used microkorg here

phaser lead + weepy lead

[grand jasper]

it is indeed

[nimble nova]

Idk but i still enjoy it, im not really critical of a person

I can even enjoy music that sounds like noise lmao

[proper crane]

God damn I’ve been sleeping on Polaris for too long

[zinc coral]

honestly id like cervini if he used more than one snare sample

vocals are also too loud

but apart from that, im proud to say im a slopcore fan

[zinc coral]

og cymbals were horrible

so im not suprised lol

[zinc coral]

honestly the drums sound more real to me than fop

maybe im insane

but idk if the snare wassnt always reused all the time, id probably like it

[zinc coral]

australian metalcore is just bettr

[nimble nova]

https://prencaudio.com/home what do yall think of prenc?

[ruby jay]

prenc the goat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM6vu961vsc

there is SOOTHE 3

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-nuts-tongue-out-tongue-licking-gif-9359477859368740454

[stiff raptor]

Nooooo

Not more soothe

Soothe makes the high end sound so weird😭

[torn lynx]

I got bored and made a text diagram of how I like to structure tracks

I use cyclic panner instead of panning the tracks so thats why it shows C-100% instead of C-50%

[nimble nova]

I never used soothe

Idk why people use it so much

[stiff raptor]

it makes the high end sound bad

[grand jasper]

i kinda think i'm overcomplicating stuff when i'm doing sturgis style stuff ngl

[stiff raptor]

yeah sturgis mixes are always verrrry simple

[grand jasper]

hmm

lemme try

i don't think i even need compression on ssd lol

@stiff raptor is this sturgis enough

[stiff raptor]

cymbals kinda feel washy

doesnt sound bad overall

[grand jasper]

i reduced the cymbals kinda

[stiff raptor]

Try a/b'ing it with a mix you like

[grand jasper]

doing this already

[stiff raptor]

Nice

[grand jasper]

sooo is it sturgis enough

[torn lynx]

I did a thing with all of the tracks, sorta as an example ig? can I get some advice?

any tips at all

[digital blade]

hype

[torn lynx]

Stuff I use

Thats like most of it currently plus OTT and T-Racks really. I like using Warzone and Breakout like sample libraries

i might get Oblivion drums

[halcyon veldt]

curious, who else is on fruity loops making metal

[stiff raptor]

I started there, but quickly switched to reaper once i had to deal with FL's "quirks"

The workflow is wayyy different than any other major daw, because it was made by a non musician

It's great for beatmaking and hiphop but it fails hard at a lot of other things just because of how clunky it is for certain things

Arbitrary limits on stuff like tracks and fx slots, heavy cpu usage, almost zero customizability/flexibility

The fact that playlist items aren't automatically consistent with tracks and track numbers have to be manually assigned is a dealbreaker in itself

[torn lynx]

Needs less bass I think

[zinc coral]

sausage

mp3 is shittifying it,

credits to @stiff raptor this issnt my song

here have a wav

[proper crane]

Too much dynamics

[zinc coral]

tf you mean

[proper crane]

Too dynamic

Squash it harder

[zinc coral]

it will start clipping and sound like garbage

[proper crane]

If you put it in a limiter it won’t clip

That’s why we have limiters

[zinc coral]

it has a limiter

[proper crane]

More loud and more sausage = more good sound

[zinc coral]

what about this

[proper crane]

Mmm

Still seeing some dynamics there tsk tsk

(I’m trolling btw the first mix was fine)

[zinc coral]

oh LOL

im stupid

[trim harbor]

@stiff raptor how do i rid of the "hiss" you can hear after every chug here?

[stiff raptor]

turn your pickups away from the computer

happens to me, i mostly have to record facing away from the computer because of this issue

[trim harbor]

Seems like it's still happening but I could be wrong

[stiff raptor]

try a di box with ground lift switch or a different (better) cable

could also be your phone

[trim harbor]

It seems to have been the cable

[slow haven]

does anyone have any good modern djent/metalcore IR''s they can slide

ive been hunting for a better ir for a while now

[slow haven]

do you have good metalcore/djent irs you can slide

[proper crane]

The will putney pack is good

https://www.tone3000.com/tones/will-putney-album-irs-guitar-47291

[slow haven]

lemme check it out thank you

[proper crane]

Yah

My personal favorite is evergreen

[nimble nova]

Idk i just do my own irs

[zinc coral]

I made this one

[stiff raptor]

how do you make your own irs? do you have cabs that you record?

or do you tonematch and send an impulse through the tonematch

[nimble nova]

I made some through cabinetron (ir player), and most of them in ggd cabs

[stiff raptor]

ah

[stiff raptor]

https://xenonstudios.gumroad.com/l/xs-impacts-kit

Just published a new pack!

It's a FREE one this time!!

everyone get it while you can!

@ruby jay @zinc coral @trim harbor @grave marlin @slow haven @proper crane

[trim harbor]

You get to be the first sample pack I have on my new computer

[proper crane]

Waoh

[trim harbor]

I assume the slams you mentioned you were recording in UBRcord are in this?

[stiff raptor]

yep

[proven falcon]

unprecedented peak has graced this channel

[stiff raptor]

if you want more, i have a megapack which has MORE crazy impacts as well as pretty much every other type of production earcandy

it's on my gumroad profile :)

[proven falcon]

yeah i remember checking that one out a few weeks ago, the stuff in there sounds quite great ^^

[grave marlin]

I have been summoned and I love free things. Thank you based Xenon.

[stiff raptor]

B)

you know it

[proven falcon]

stole that sentence out of my mouth, word for word

[grave marlin]

Just got home 20 minutes ago and checked out the pack. These hits be hittin. They're hitty. There's hits in there. For sure.

I wanna layer that ping - low with a bell hit on a breakdown and just be disgusted at the heaviness

[stiff raptor]

Do it

and then post it here

[digital blade]

free sample packs in chat?!

[stiff raptor]

yessir

check out my other one too 👀 its got even more stuff

[torn lynx]

Why did it dissapear

Better mix

[grand jasper]

you forgor to ping me

[ruby jay]

I see free thing, I cop

I love the ping FX

[stiff raptor]

Oh oops

Myb

LOL

[trim harbor]

@stiff raptor I'm trying to install SSD5 on my new computer and Reaper is absolutely refusing to add it, already Googled it and nothing came up

Nevermind, just found the fix

[stiff raptor]

LOL

[slow haven]

YO CONGRATS AND I WILL BE USING THIS ON THE NEW ALBUM

[stiff raptor]

@grave marlin @ruby jay @grand jasper @zinc coral

Just did this mix recreation today

Tracked fully by me

100% FREE plugins

not a single paid plugin used in this mix

@glacial portal you might get a kick out of this too

[stiff raptor]

drums included!! drum library is stock SSD5.5

[grave marlin]

Sounds absolutely incredible. I know the point is (and it absolutely stands) that you can get incredible sound out of free plugins, but you are also damn talented to get that sound out of free plugins. Let's shine some light where it's due. You make incredible mixes paid plugins or not. Super helps reaper has some incredible engineers behind it making their included plugins damn near 1:1 with the paids if not absolutely 1:1. Common Reaper W.

[stiff raptor]

Very true, reaper devs are CRAZY

[grave marlin]

I like how large your drums always sound. As a drummer first before I started vocals, I appreciate that. They're huge but fit right in the mix.

[stiff raptor]

thank you!! bro i wish i could be a drummer

It's the one instrument i can't play

but i can write drum midi parts like nobody's business

LOL

[grave marlin]

Opposite here. Guitars and pianos always confused me, though I'm brute forcing piano slowly currently and plan to buy a guitar. But I started drums at 4 and can learn mostly anything by ear and time. Can't read sheet. Would love to learn one day. Grew up in a musical family. Everyone plays something and family jams were a frequent thing.

[stiff raptor]

Hey same here!

I thought about brute forcing drums but the problem is we don't have a kit i can play on

I'd love to learn

[grave marlin]

Yeah I live in a shoebox apartment but I have some really nice roland e drums from the mid 2000s boxed up at my dads when I do get a good place

[ruby jay]

damn, sounds sick!
didnt u do this w windu and taranto before?

the pads in the background, what are they? strings, synth patch or rverbed guitars?

[stiff raptor]

Yep! Found the project file and decided to remix and track it from the ground up

[stiff raptor]

Verb tremolo guitar!

[zinc coral]

oo nice

[grand jasper]

sick

[grand jasper]

i started playing piano at the age of 7 and had some passion for guitar. but i truly started playing my guitar at the age of 14, when i got my stratocaster for birthday

[proper crane]

some sad groovy shit

[ruby jay]

replaced ml drums w ssd4, vox by @woven gyro

[ruby jay]

crank up that sustain on the snare 🫃

[proper crane]

I lowk don’t know how to do that

[glacial portal]

This shit slaps.

[stiff raptor]

Thankya sir

[glacial portal]

One thing. I don't know if it's just my sensitivity to high frequencies acting up but you got a little bit whistly stuff somewhere in 3 to 4k region. Unless that was completely intentional to the tone recreation in which case. Kudos!

[stiff raptor]

Oh yeah that's the IR I'm using, sounds pretty similar to the original

I could tame it a bit more tho

I did update the mix slightly

Made the snare a bit brighter and pushed it harder on the master

[glacial portal]

Oh yeah that snare comin' in hot now.

[stiff raptor]

Crazy how such a slight change affects the whole mix

[glacial portal]

Ah got it. Twas intentional then :3

Yeah I learned that the hard way. When I went from GGD to EZD and was basically forced to learn to mix drums I saw how dramatically drums actually effect ur mix.

[stiff raptor]

Yep

Bad drums will kill a mix

So many albums i know where they drop their previous producer and the drums SUFFER

Jamie's Elsewhere I'm looking at you

[glacial portal]

XD

[stiff raptor]

So here's the one from their old producer

Then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5oaHUE3IGs

After dropping their producer

[glacial portal]

I mean they are two completely different vibes imo.

The first has got slightly weaker drums but they fit the vibe.

[stiff raptor]

The first one's drums fit in the mix, the 2nd one's just stick out

Also the guitar tone in the 2nd one is just bad

[glacial portal]

Oh yeah def.

[grave marlin]

It's like whoever mixed the second one has never heard of glue compression

[glacial portal]

@stiff raptor I think the hardest thing for me to get right is the kick.

[stiff raptor]

Valid

Kicks are hard

Especially real ones bro

I haaaate mixing real kicks

Midi is slightly easier

I've learned transient shaping is a big help

[glacial portal]

@stiff raptor this is one where I think I fuckin NAILED the kick.

Granted it's different from what I usually do but still. Very inspired by Rabea Massaad's stuff.

[stark tulip]

When tracking Vox - If I have cleans and screams, would I be tracking under their own grouping or would I do it all in the same tracks?

For example, from what I've seen I should have a set up for vocals like
Vocals C
Vocals R
Vocals L
Harmony 1
Harmony 2
Backing
Ad-lib

Would I essentially do this twice or just do it all under one grouping?

[nimble nova]

Reminds me of periphery

[stiff raptor]

interesting lol

[nimble nova]

Guitar Tonewise

[stiff raptor]

sounds nothing like them imo

[nimble nova]

Of course not

Just the tone

Of guitar

[stiff raptor]

i process mine separately but to each their own

i typically don't triple track main vocal, that's wayyy too much for what i prefer

the example you posted is crazy

I typically track:

• Main Vocal
• Harmony Left
• Harmony Right

That's it

for screams, it's:

• Scream Main
• Backing Left
• Backing Right

Anything more than that is overkill and you lose the natural sound of the voice

everything gets buried

unless you're specifically trying to do like a sleep token vibe with 10 stacked vocals

[proper crane]

funny enough vocal tracking is the only video i've recorded about any mixing process I do lol

[stark tulip]

@stiff raptor Thank you, again its one of those things where everything you read is like "here ytou need to do 12 different tracks for this" and its gets very confusing, my preference is to keep things simple

In the case of say wanting to layer so yopu have like your Lows with a high over the top, would you still do a mid and pan the High and lows?

[stark tulip]

Honestly, I'm finding its the most difficult one to find info on that isn't overkill

[stiff raptor]

I mean you can layer many different ways

[proper crane]

my process is a little overkill im ngl lol

[stiff raptor]

Usually i just throw my layer in the backing left and right

[proper crane]

but also i just found out some other artist's youtube releases got linked into my page so now I gotta deal with that

[stiff raptor]

majority of my tracked screams are one track

You don't need more than one main track

[stark tulip]

Okay awesome thank you

And also, when Eqing Guitars, do I do each tracking on its own or just do the buss they're connected to

[stiff raptor]

I usually EQ pairs by themselves

so rhythm guitars under one EQ, lead under one EQ

but then i will have a multiband compressor on the ENTIRE guitar bus

to tame frequency build up, if there is any

[stark tulip]

Okay so Under my Gtr Bus I have my L and R for Rhythm (so 2-4 tracks depending on how I'm tracking) but then I would just do it on the bus, not all 2-4 tracks?
or do you mean, do it on all 2-4 trtacks but then add the multiband to the total bus to smooth it out

Or do you mean you have Rhythm and Leads under one bus so

Rhythm - Tracks 2-4
Lead - tracks 2-4

But then you have an additional one that covers all 4-8 tracks?

[stiff raptor]

I put L and R guitar into a folder, and then EQ that together

Each pair has a folder

[stark tulip]

Sorry I'm probably working this wrong, I'm just trying to understand ha

[stiff raptor]

then ALL of those folders go into the bus

[stark tulip]

Ah okay yep, thats what I've been doing

Sweet

[trim harbor]

So you're using the folder for effects?

[stark tulip]

trying to work smart not hard but also just understanding the process

[stiff raptor]

well yeah

a folder in reaper is a bus

but i dont label it a bus unless it has like a ton of stuff in it lol

so rhythm Di left and Di right go into the Rhythm folder

then same for lead

then Rhythm and Lead folders go into the Guitar Bus

which goes into the instrument bus

[stark tulip]

I'm still using cakewalk as I haven't transfered to reaper yet but you mean like this?

I've used the colours to specify which bus they are connected to

[stiff raptor]

Its a bit hard for me to tell cause ive never used cakewalk before

[stark tulip]

so I have no FX on the individual tracks, but all on the main GTR bus
and then each GTR bus runs through the master for total song volume

[stiff raptor]

like this basically

[stark tulip]

Oh I see yup

[trim harbor]

So with using those busses for effects, does that sound the same as copying effects into both tracks? That's what I've been doing this whole time and I always thought it would be different to put them on busses.

[stiff raptor]

And then i would put the amp and EQ on "gtr rhythm" and "gtr lead"

given the amp you use has stereo processing enabled

[trim harbor]

I tend to keep the guitar hus empty expect sometimes JS saturation

[stark tulip]

So basically the difference is, I don't have the addition Master GTR bus, but I have

Rhythm LRC going to one bus which then goes to the Master
Lead LRC going to on bus which then goes to the master

But I see with yours its
Rhythm LRC going to one bus which then goes to the Master GTR bus which goes to the master
Lead LRC going to on bus which then goes to the master GTR bus which goes to the master

[stiff raptor]

Yes

spot on

[stark tulip]

Okay I understand now,

[stiff raptor]

yes

[stark tulip]

Thank you

Seeing the two DAWS although different at least can portray the same message ha

[stiff raptor]

No difference except extra cpu usage if you duplicate to each track @trim harbor

just make sure your amp and other FX have dual channel processing

Most amps have a stereo mode

[trim harbor]

I'm gonna assume based off what you said a few days ago that NAM OG doesn't?

[stiff raptor]

that's why i switched to NAM U

Has stereo processing

and it sounds better

less buggy

[trim harbor]

What's the sound difference? Same captures so I'd assume it's the same

[stiff raptor]

it has built in multiband compressor

and eq

[stark tulip]

I';m currently trying the Amped - Roots which is the "fluff" amp thats free through ML studios just to mimic a 5150 the best I can, but I was using Amphub from STl and just using their Eddy amp head for tones

[stiff raptor]

oh bruh just use NAM Universal from Wavemind with a 5150 capture

all free and sounds 1:1 identical

[stark tulip]

Oh really? I'll check it out

[stiff raptor]

Yep

[trim harbor]

I believe NAMU even comes with 5150 captures

[stiff raptor]

Yes

the default 5150 captures are actually amazing

my go to is the Tim ii 5150

sounds great

[stark tulip]

ooh will check it out! I love free things that sound great haha

[stiff raptor]

i literally use it for all my mixes now

[trim harbor]

The cabs on NAMU however I've not had the best experience with

[stiff raptor]

The default IR 1 cab is actually incredible

idk what you're talking about

The one that the program loads on first launch

[trim harbor]

Every time I've put my captures through that it sounds like it's been really muffled, almost like a low pass

[stiff raptor]

I've never had a single issue like that

[stiff raptor]

What captures are you using lol

if you're using a bad capture, a good IR won't help

try it with Tim ii 5150

[trim harbor]

https://www.tone3000.com/tones/pv-5150--36615

I've gotten amazing tones with this capture, used it for a long time so I don't think it's a bad capture

[stiff raptor]

can i hear those amazing tones

[trim harbor]

@stiff raptor

[stark tulip]

omg there are so many options, I have no idea What i'm looking at or for

[trim harbor]

What exactly are you looking at?

[stark tulip]

the NAM universal

[stiff raptor]

Just use the Tim ii 5150 with the default IR 1

it will sound awesome

[stark tulip]

Which pedal option is the Tube screamer? ha

[stiff raptor]

then just dial in the low mid and high, and then the output

[stiff raptor]

I use TSC1.1 from Mercuriall

it's free

It's a vst

[stark tulip]

Oh like as a seperate effect?

[trim harbor]

Yeah

It's a TS9 in a plug-in basically

[stiff raptor]

yeah i don't usually like having a bunch of stuff in one plugin

more flexibility

[stark tulip]

Ah okay I see

[stiff raptor]

Its pretty treble heavy but this is actually your best mix yet

The snare is a bit honky but it actually is more well balanced than usual

Now you just need to utilize compression to glue it all together

Cymbals and overheads are a bit loud

[trim harbor]

I don't have access to the RPP file anymore 😭

[stiff raptor]

Just redo what you did there

[trim harbor]

I think I screen captured this mix at one point thankfully

[stiff raptor]

honestly all that mix needs is quieter cymbals, louder guitar and bass, and then compress everything together to glue it

then it will sound really good

[trim harbor]

So apparently that mix has reverb direct on snare and kick instead of busses

[stiff raptor]

Just send the verb to an aux channel

[trim harbor]

Well yeah that's what I do now

[stark tulip]

Okay yeah I like these tones

I got a bunch of pedals from Plug in alliance so I'll play with them for tones but thanks for the help as always guys

[stiff raptor]

W

Lets go dude

[trim harbor]

That's because I was using the kilohearts verb, with is really high pitched and tunnel-like

[stiff raptor]

magic7 is my go to

[stark tulip]

I also have found that using references to tones and EQ guides to the songs that influenced my songs have helped me shape it too, so I'mn REALLY liking how they're turning out now that I have reference points

[trim harbor]

Yeah I use that now as well

[stiff raptor]

yessss using a mix reference is amazing

[trim harbor]

I use 6505 captures because Killswitch Engage famously used ones for all of their 2000s albums, along with it being Jason Suecof (my favorite producer)'s go-to amp

[stark tulip]

@stiff raptor Thats how I found myself really happy with this mix - I need to adjust the lead elavel but happy otherwise

[trim harbor]

Dude I love the sound of this musically

And the production is great

[stiff raptor]

sounds pretty good! its a bit dark and the kick is a bit thumpy around 150hz

I like it though

[stark tulip]

My reference and inspo behind this was Through Struggle by As i Lay dying and Say Goodbye by I Killed the Prom Queen

M y original recording was in Drop C, but felt it wasn't quite right so this recording is in Drop A# and I really like the sound

[stark tulip]

What od you mean but dark?
I can cut at 150hz a little

[stiff raptor]

dark is a term used a lot to basically mean too much low end, or lacking high end

and then conversely, bright is the opposite

[stark tulip]

Oh okay i get you!

Okay so I love Valhalla super massive - Where in the chain would this "typically" go?

[stiff raptor]

On guitar?

or what

Reverb pretty much always goes last on everything

[stark tulip]

Oh sorry, on the guitars

[stiff raptor]

Yeah last

[stark tulip]

before EQ or after EQ?

[stiff raptor]

After everything

I would also recommend sending the guitar pair to an extra blank track with only reverb on it

turned to 100% mix/wet

This is called sending it to an aux

That way you have individual control over the reverb as it's own channel

[stark tulip]

Oh is that was the "send" section is

[stiff raptor]

yes

basically you're routing or "sending" the audio to another track

[stark tulip]

Production wise, how does this sound now?

This is with all the new guitar tones and I've re-Eq'd the drums

[stiff raptor]

snare has a wonky frequency if i were to guess around 600-700?

need to look at an analyzer to be sure

Kick sounds good

guitar tones are great, though guitar could be louder

bass is a tad loud still

[stark tulip]

Sp Snare = Whack
Kick = Good
Gtr = too quiet
Bass = too loud

Let me check it ha

[stark tulip]

This is my Snare EQ

[stiff raptor]

Look at the analyzer and see if you can see a hump that's out of place

here i can show you where it is

1 sec

[stark tulip]

Okay thank you haha I'm a little too "green" to know what you mean

but I can definitely hear the wonkiness

[stiff raptor]

Right there you can hear that weird ping

[stark tulip]

O yeah that looks like around my 196 mark

[stiff raptor]

It looks like it's at 333hz

[stark tulip]

Onvm me haha

But yes

I see it

[stiff raptor]

LOL

Nice!! you're learning how to surgically EQ

[stark tulip]

How do you I guess remove that? increase the "Q"?

[stiff raptor]

Yes! higher Q means more precision

Make a little bell at exactly 333hz, increase the Q very high, then turn the gain down

Until that frequency is no longer bothersome

i turned it down about 6db

[stark tulip]

Right so it should look somehting like this?

[stiff raptor]

I wonder if you can type 333 in right where it says 345

But yeah like that

[stark tulip]

Oh yeah I can manually type the numbers, just more the shape you were describing

[stiff raptor]

Yeah perfect

[stark tulip]

Oh yeah sounds MUCH cleaner

[stiff raptor]

nice!!

ggs

[zinc coral]

I’ve always thought that and been really confused how lol

[stark tulip]

How's this now?

[stiff raptor]

just a reminder for everyone

[stiff raptor]

sounds great bro

[stark tulip]

I saw you status say this yesterday haha but how low is low to you?

[stiff raptor]

Personally i only really write in drop A at the lowest

my all time favorite is drop C

but i switch between drop A all the way to drop D often

[stark tulip]

Ah yeah I'm a sucker for Drop C, but Drop A # is a close second

[stiff raptor]

good picks

demo i wrote today in drop A

No bass yet tho

mix is still a wip

[stark tulip]

I find Drop B kind of mid and Drop C# is amazing
But also depends on the style I'm writing

Punk is more like D# standard or Drop C#
Nu Metla ish would be more Drop C#
Metalcore is more Drop C or Drop A#

[stark tulip]

I'm glad you said this because I thought my headphones where tweaking ha

Compositionally though I love it ha

[stiff raptor]

yeee no bass guitar tracked, but there is sub drops lol

[stark tulip]

I hear everyones tracks and going with the more modern style with more technical guitars and here I am with my simplistic 578 style riffs haha

[stiff raptor]

this isnt really that modern

i mostly write stuff that sounds like 2009-2014 era metalcore

i do 578 a lot

one i wrote the other day

[stark tulip]

OH yeah not specifically this track, I just thought it was funny ha

Now this is more my jam ha

Makes me thing of TDWP a little bit

[zinc coral]

Drop F# is max

anywhere past that is stupid

[zinc coral]

guitars too quiet, entire mix is way mid and low mid lacking

[zinc coral]

oo PV ill be checking that out

awh shit peavy

not PV

[stark tulip]

Is that on a 6 string? Or on a 7?
I can't imagine the sound that a 6 string that low would make, like it would almost sound like a log

[zinc coral]

either really

[proper crane]

I literally just wrote the heaviest song I’ve ever written and it’s also in the lowest tuning I’ve ever used so like

https://tenor.com/view/dunk-gif-21755298

[torn lynx]

I like drop B but I typically stay at drop G and the only lower tunings I use are double drop D# or double drop C

I really dont like drop A for some reason

Drop C is okay I guess

[grand jasper]

I love drop b

[zinc coral]

my fav is either e# or cb

[torn lynx]

Drop B was the first tuning I used when I started tuning down

I never really used drop D lol

[grand jasper]

lmao

[stiff raptor]

💀

[torn lynx]

Isnt Cb just B :/

I used to use a twelve string set on an Ibanez Gio I think it was - like the really small one - to tune to drop A but an octave higher than 7 string so I could do weird lead stuff but I didnt do that for long.

[proper crane]

uh, no, cb is cb

and e# is e#

this is this and that is that, ya know?

[grave marlin]

I second everything Xenon said, though I will say that if your main take is lacking some "presence" in the mix even after compression and equing, you can try copying it onto a l and r panned track and drop them lower in the mix so they're just touching the outside a bit. Not double taking it, copying the main take. This can "fill out" the space with the vocals without muddying the mix or killing the dynamics of your voice to doubled takes as Xenon explained. Though doubling can be used as a flavor tool here and there (I like it during choruses sometimes), I'd never double and entire main take. I typically will have a main down the middle, any backing doubles or harmonies on their own l and r tracks, and then th same for screams. Layers are tools, and you'd be surprised how little of them you need at times.

Late af to that conversation 😎

[stark tulip]

Oh yeah, so, you don't find using the same frequency across tracks causes balancing issues?

[grave marlin]

Do you mean like, copying the main track to a l and r pan for filling causing issues? I haven't found it to be a problem any time I've used this trick because they're typically so low in the mix they're not really trying to compete with anything. They're more just there to give your ear vocals to hear under the rest of everything else out left and right where they wouldn't be there without the trick. More like just placing them in th sound stage, not trying to make them the focus. It's only a trick Id use if I find that just throwing a stereo widener like the S1 on the main track didn't help.

Can be useful during areas like choruses where everything else is pumping and you just kind of need the vocals to sit a little more up front without necessarily turning the tracks up

[stark tulip]

Ah yeah okay
So like this part here i did (the track isnt mixed but just using the vocal reference) this is 3 mono trwcks to do the kid of harmonised screams
You would variously just leave the mids as single tracked for something like this?

Like its just the high turned down, the mid at the face and then the low scream turned down

[stiff raptor]

yeah that sounds pretty good, if you wanted, you could pan left and right to taste

it really depends on what you're going for

if you want something really wide, double track the high and the low, and pan hard right and left, and leave the middle one single tracked mono

[grave marlin]

Yeah but I'd designate one as the main track and pan the harmonies left and right

[stiff raptor]

Yeee

[grave marlin]

Exactly above

[stiff raptor]

or if you want something a bit more asymmetrical, you could pan the high like 50% right and the low 50% left

that is a unique sound i dont hear a lot of people do but i enjoy it ngl

its really up to you

but pick one track as the main scream that stays in the center

[stark tulip]

Ah yeah okay, ill give that a try!

I have to basically re record the whole track because I decided to redo it in Drop A# as opposed to Drop C but now listening to this back i think ill keep it in drop C haha

[stiff raptor]

then you can just play around with the backing left and right

[stark tulip]

I actually like the idea of this to be honest
Makes it still sound kind of mono but also giving a little bit of a stereo effect

[grave marlin]

Oh yeah definitely. That's something you can play a lot with. Panning at weird areas during the song. Remember, youre mixing in a stage. That voice can go anywhere. Up to you to decide where. 😎

Something that tickles my musical pickle is when they take dueling vocals and have one panned at like 50-66 left and the other at like 50-66 right and it just sounds like you're standing between two people having a shouting match. Panning is fun.

When things bounce back and forth on beats between the headphones I get happy.

[stark tulip]

Im inspired

[stark tulip]

Any tips on recording vocals with a condencor mic in an untreated room? Its what my vocals in that sample I sent are on, but again, LOTS of conflicting or bias info online

[stiff raptor]

Record in a closet filled with clothes

that's the method

[stark tulip]

Oh thatsa good idea to be honest... unfortunately my desk and interface are too far from a closet haha

[stiff raptor]

Get a longer cable

I use a 20ft XLR

[stark tulip]

Oh actually, I have a 20ft cable, its just curled up under my desk

[stiff raptor]

oh nice

run that from your interface to your closet

[stark tulip]

I often forget how long it is because I have it could under my desk due to my mic arm

The only thing then would be hearing the monitoring

I use headphones when I record everything

[stiff raptor]

Ah i just use an extension cable for my headphones too

Tip ring sleeve line cable with a barrel connector

[stark tulip]

An no issues with latency from the length?