Vocals

[torpid ingot]

covered signs of the swarm for fun

my first time recording vocals this acrobatic as well, what do you guys think?

[stoic basin]

bad vocals for me today. still trying to add my voice under my fry

[torpid ingot]

and i here i am trying to do voiceless screams and failing 🤣

[torpid ingot]

sounds good imo

[stoic basin]

singing is so bad

[gloomy birch]

Working on that BoO song

[torpid ingot]

nah just keep working on it, you'll get very good i can tell

screaming is already pretty good, would sound great with processing on it

[potent perch]

I'm right there with you mane

[potent perch]

Dang, that sounds awesome 👍

[storm yew]

"Boo" ahhhhh you scared me

[potent perch]

I tried to focus more on my breath support, what am I doing wrong and how can I fix it?

Sorry for the spit lol

@patent lintel @storm yew?

[storm yew]

Still trying to be more open in the back of the throat and the oral cavity, the second position seemed better then the first

[potent perch]

Ok thanks 👍

[calm patrol]

Fun fact: my stepdad knows and was at some point good friends with CJ(the singer to Lorna Shore before Will). It cones with a funny story. My stepdad and a couple of his friends made a band called United by Hate(he was the drummer to the band), and while they were together, they helped Signs of the Swarm with getting more popular. During this, CJ was the vocalist for it. Ben, the vocalist for United by Hate gave CJ vocal techniques while CJ sand for SotS. Eventually, CJ left SotS and joined Lorna Shore, where, while on tour with the band Will Ramos was in before he became LS's singer, he told Will the techniques he learned from Ben. Will then replaced CJ as singer after legal stuff happened.

Bonus fact: The drummer to SotS, Bobby, stole my stepdad's drum module and still hasn't given it back.
It's been years.

2nd bonus fact: Googling Cory Torcasi will show a Metal Archives web page about my stepdad. Creepy.

[patent lintel]

cool\

[amber star]

i dont doubt their range but it's prob just quieter bc of the compression/reverb

[stoic basin]

Vocals sound Eh

[bold valve]

Doing my highs/snarls but with lyrics

[north kettle]

Here is my 1 take of judgement day - spite

Just realized the video is synched really bad, but hey, it’s still my 1 take

[clever mesa]

damn, those screams improved fast

[stoic basin]

Does this sound good?

[clever mesa]

yea, i like it

kinda reminds me of tdwp

[lean notch]

@patent lintel last time u told me I push too hard but this feel really light idk if I should just change my technique or what lmao. Ik I still have my voice in it but as a female I always think too much like "It's not low and lound enough" The sensation is different to the previous one tho but idk

[storm yew]

You have a different accent then I thought you would

Good sounding scream, I'm not going to jump in if it's healthy or not.

[lean notch]

Finnish accent, I can do even worse lmao

[storm yew]

Ah that's Finnish, cool.

[patent lintel]

You are fine

Just push less and you should be good

[stoic basin]

@patent lintel thoughts?

[lean notch]

Yeah I always TRY to keep that in mind haha

[patent lintel]

Sounds good

[lean notch]

Nice! I always get so choked up doing these kinda vocals😩

[stoic basin]

This one is my favorite

[lean notch]

Oo nice!!

[amber star]

about what i thought

[storm yew]

There is no standard yet for what is a good sound and a bad sound in metal it's just to new... Singing has been around for couple thousand years and documented so we are able to be like no that is a bad sound but we can do that with metal yet.
It's just if you can make a crazy sound we let it slide.

[lean notch]

and as long as u do it safely

[storm yew]

Yes

[north kettle]

I mean I have a nuanced approach to this. I’m happy with my screams rn. I got here by experimenting with my voice, and most famous vocalists do the same thing I do. Experiment with your voice. Yeah, hurt it, but if it hurts, find a different way. Don’t be afraid to hurt yourself, but don’t have hurting yourself be your main thing when you scream. The only way to know how to properly scream is to fail, and fail, and fail again

[patent lintel]

BTW why does everyone keep wantting to know what I think? I'm just another dude who is trying to learn shit too. I don't know much more than y'all and everything I learned I got from videos that y'all could watch too.

[stoic basin]

26 second scream 😩😩😩

[storm yew]

Seems like you generally know your stuff more then the majority here

[potent perch]

I see where you're coming from.. but let's be honest, you're definitely a natural when it comes to Metal vox. Even though you're not in a big band, and you don't make a ton of money from a YouTube channel about screaming vocals, it's pretty obvious that you know what you're doing with your screams. And for people like me, you seem like the best choice of person to get a second opinion from when it comes to screaming vox. But that's just the way I see it.

[storm yew]

Also not sure how old you are but getting good screams until your vocal folds are fully formed which is around adolescent age... until then it's mostly learning how to do it safely and finding the positions that work.
As well with the recent thing shown in here, raw vocals sound nothing like the final production and for a lot of us we get stuck in a trap thinking we can sound like them despite they can't even sound the way they do.

[potent perch]

I'm about to be seventeen.. and I passed the adolescent age way earlier than most others normally do.

[storm yew]

I hot puberty when I was 9, early or not still need a lot of development.

[potent perch]

👍 Good luck on developing 😎

[bold valve]

Here are some lows I tried out

[clever mesa]

does this sound better than usual?

[patent lintel]

My eye is red because I threw up so violently I burst a blood vessel

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/8npqwskb7cilcbqjjyun9/20240210_170753.mp4?rlkey=emjsoyjru58f7jbo1li8p87os&dl=0

[patent lintel]

BTW people if you wanna know what I do to practice is just do the shit I know how to do for like ten minutes and experiment for five minutes and then I'm done with practice

I don't practice for more than like 20 minutes most days

[storm yew]

A little thing that just personally I have been told not to do by my vocal teacher is the pulling the lips back... It doesn't change the sound but more the direction and it directs it more towards yourself which is why I even used to do it you get a clearer sound directed towards your ears rather then forward.

It's fine to do just you get not as much projection forward, cupping your ear with the tips of your fingers and aiming that cup towards your mouth, it just let's you hear what you are doing without loosing the projection.

If you have a different reason for doing it feel free to share I'd be interested in it.

[storm yew]

That sucks a lot.

[patent lintel]

Reason I do those is because I'm trying to have it sound more open with the "grizzly tunnel". With that vocal it's less about getting low and more about getting a rounder sound.

You get more of a guttural if you put your lips over your teeth

at least for me

I don't really care about projection TBH

[stoic basin]

i need help getting better highs

[patent lintel]

Make it nasal

[patent lintel]

Don't just make it a higher pitch go nasal and it will make it sound like a higher not than it normally would

[lyric dune]

Those highs

[stoic basin]

I don’t know how to do that

[potent perch]

@patent lintel those really nasal highs you did in that Dropbox video are what BVDLVD uses.

[potent perch]

Dang chat is dead rn

[dire lion]

my new bands first ep if anyone is interested in hearing my vocals
https://youtu.be/ONdkg0gwrTc?si=1mVHeWBZTUOSYKMF

[glass prism]

https://youtu.be/2e2DTz7Xq5Q?si=nCcWBObsDXKYgWYt

[patent lintel]

Idk

[patent lintel]

Do a well actually voice

[patent lintel]

I'm not a natural. I just dedicated two years to learning this and practicing almost every day

majority of what I watch on youtube is about music or doing vocals.

[potent perch]

Oh, I thought you said it took 21 months to get Vocals like that. Still cool AF dude!

[patent lintel]

21 months is almost two years

[potent perch]

LMAO I'm so freaking stupid 🤣

[patent lintel]

Besides that's just my guess for when I started cause Idk when I started to actually try to scream. I could have been earlier but I'm not sure

[potent perch]

I've been trying to figure out different types of screams for 2 years, and the only progress I've made is getting a screaming mentor who just recently told me that I'm doing my Dag Kargyraa correctly.

[potent perch]

Thoughts?

[gloomy birch]

Sounds pretty interesting, the Dag Kargyraa

https://youtu.be/eF7Ml8zW2jA?si=MVuiWy6UwarvRc4M

I've got new cover here

Any thoughts on this?

[potent perch]

Those are some pretty solid lows, but the high screams need more work. Also, WTF was that foot movement LMAO

[stoic basin]

Had a bad vocal day

[gloomy birch]

Dancing, because the song gets me hyped

Believe me, it was worse in the Born of Osiris cover I recorded.

[potent perch]

Well now I wanna see that BoO cover lol. I didn't like that VoM song very much, literally every song by BoO is better.

But that's just my opinion lmao

[gloomy birch]

Well, mkay

Let me upload to the YouTubes

You like Follow the Signs?

[patent lintel]

Dude there is no such thing as a bad vocal day. There are days where you improve and days where you practice the stuff you know. No day is bad unless you destroy your voice

[stoic basin]

It’s bad because I can’t do yells like I did a few days ago

[gloomy birch]

At the request of Mr. Blurryface:
https://youtu.be/AnP_5UPceyc?si=M4aDy9pgIKBPVDwX

[patent lintel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrM5tjxze4M

Austin's old tutorials are pretty good

[potent perch]

🤣 I'm at a Super Bowl party right now, but I'll be sure to watch that ASAP

[potent perch]

I just watched it! Nice vocals, and nice dance moves as well

[gloomy birch]

Thank you lol

[potent perch]

Still sounds like crap, but I think I might be making some progress at voiceless FC distortion

Also, I'm super relaxed while doing those screams

[potent perch]

And my base for this distortion is still Dag Kargyraa

[patent lintel]

Sounds better.

Sounds like me when I started trying to do FC

[storm yew]

It definitely is getting better

[potent perch]

@storm yew @patent lintel Thanks! Still taking advantage of any time I get in the car!

[potent perch]

Yeah I definitely think I'm improving

[patent lintel]

Sounding good

Focus on your breathing. Try to support it more with your diaphragm and keep everything loose but controlled

[potent perch]

Aight, I'll be sure to focus more on those things. Thanks man!

[patent lintel]

Focus on everything. These are just more things to keep in mind.

[potent perch]

Ahh gotcha

[patent lintel]

There's a lot of stuff that you have to remember when doing vocals. After practicing it for a while they just become muscle memory, but it takes a while to get that muscle memtory

[potent perch]

Aight. RN the two main things that I'm tryna drill is breathing from my diaphragm, and being able to do Kargyraa without any effort. Because I always need to breath from my diaphragm, and if I can do Kargyraa, then I already have my FC distortion.

[potent perch]

@patent lintel Do you have any advice as to how I can make my screams sound less dry and crackly, and more "wet" sounding?

[bold valve]

Some "snarls" if u can call them that

[potent perch]

Those sound wild, man. But how loud can you do that? Sounds a little bit quiet to me..

[bold valve]

Those slow ones not very loud but if I put my throat into me I can be quite loud.

[potent perch]

Nice 👌

Can anyone tell me what kind of FC growl is being used by this band?
https://open.spotify.com/artist/2JWxRGdcsFqn5j9gYKjNF0?si=KCFuUW4dTqeCi4sqk8NAQQ

[bold valve]

Anyways here is some "skinwalker" screams for the lack of a better word

[gloomy birch]

Holy pterodactyls, that's impressive!

[bold valve]

Thanks m8

[potent perch]

Trying to do lower growls. Can anyone tell me what kind of FC growl is being used by this mincecore band? I wanna try to imitate them. https://open.spotify.com/artist/2JWxRGdcsFqn5j9gYKjNF0?si=KCFuUW4dTqeCi4sqk8NAQQ

[stoic basin]

I got angry today!

[patent lintel]

Work on that stuff after you get down a basic growl

[patent lintel]

When you get down the basics everything else will come much easier

[patent lintel]

Bro I think it was clipping the mic lol

[gloomy birch]

Unfortunately, Mr. Blurryface was banned.

[patent lintel]

what he say?

[gloomy birch]

The n-word

[patent lintel]

Huh

[gloomy birch]

With a censored i

Yeah, I don't know what happened there

[patent lintel]

what? the? fuck?

I don't understand some people

[gloomy birch]

I know

Really unfortunate

[stoic basin]

I don’t really know how loud my screams are now

[gloomy birch]

https://youtu.be/_N8EGMOarjg?si=EmE-6X-80DEJmXKG

I present metal-enjoying kitties (and some gutturals and clean singing too)

[stoic basin]

“Fry’s are quiet” I beg to differ

[patent lintel]

@stoic basin This video is good for highs and tunnels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBvOHc0Bbvc&t=10s

[patent lintel]

sounds fucking dope

Also Worm Shepherd is just awesome in general

Devin is one of the best vocalists in the game rn

[stoic basin]

Thank you so much

[patent lintel]

it's really simple stuff when you finally get it down but it take a bit to understand it

[patent lintel]

So I found out my coworker is the drummer and back up singer for a blackened death band called A Hill to Die Upon. If you like stuff like Behemoth you'll like them

[stoic basin]

I got angry

[lean notch]

I dont understand how u can keep ur throat compressed but also relaxed enough to keep that going and not getting choked up, nice job!

[north kettle]

I agree with your statement. Fries are indeed not quiet

[patent lintel]

A lot of practice

[patent lintel]

That low is not fry. I garentee it

The high was but the low was absolutely a variation of FC or arytenoid distortion

[north kettle]

The one that was higher was a fry

[patent lintel]

Yes I could tell that one but that low definately wasn't

[north kettle]

Still the point remains lol. Fries aren’t very quiet lol

[patent lintel]

I know

[storm yew]

You shouldn't fry scream loud... That's how you damage your vocal folds

[patent lintel]

No

Fry screaming is loud normally

if your fry scream is quiet you aren't doing fry right

You are probably doing fake fry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0oP4k7hNro&t=26s

[storm yew]

You shouldn't be yelling with it... From a classical perspective you can be much louder with choral vocals then you should with fry

[patent lintel]

Educate yourself

[storm yew]

I'm not saying whisper

[patent lintel]

I'm nost saying yell either but it is loud

watch Justin's video

[storm yew]

From my classical views on vocals fry isn't very loud though I get the point

[patent lintel]

He's an actual vocal cotch and a proffesional vocalist who has been at it for almost 20 years

[north kettle]

Also thanks for the terminology! I have no idea of what terminology I had. I just know it sounds good and doesn’t hurt at all. Not even a strain lol

[storm yew]

You can fry quietly if you want to as well you should be able to control it

[patent lintel]

Vocal fry is not a fry scream

[storm yew]

I'm aware

[north kettle]

Vocal fry is when you get super high and do vocals right?

A fry scream sounds good

[patent lintel]

low

[storm yew]

Ya low

[ruby summit]

he does say in the video it can be damaging if you pover project it. also his demonstrations of what a fry scream IS are quiet

[patent lintel]

Yes

[north kettle]

I was joking, because when you’re high, you smoke weed, and when you smoke weed, you’re fried

[patent lintel]

He says if you over project you hurt yourself but fry screaming isn't quiet watch the video

[storm yew]

Although you can find fry at any pitch by relaxing the vocal folds enough that they fall out of sync

[patent lintel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0oP4k7hNro&t=26s\

WATCH THE VIDEO

[ruby summit]

brutha i am watching the video

[storm yew]

Compared to FC it's quite Compared to fortississimo in a choral setting it is quite. You don't want a lot of projection and volume due to the closer in the focal folds you don't want a lot of air passing through them being so closed.

You aren't whispering but it's generally the quietist vocal technique due to how it is achieved

[patent lintel]

Watch video

8:40 seconds

[storm yew]

I'm good, I have a vocal teacher who's been doing this for 30 years as well as know many people in the industry, from what I know you watch YouTube.
I'll take my chances of understanding this subject.

[patent lintel]

Ok man but sometimes it's good to hear other people takes on things and understand that maybe the thing you know isn't the full truth

[storm yew]

Take your own advice on that

[patent lintel]

if you have an source send it to me and I'll see what your guys has to say, but till then I'll keep beliveving Justin

And I want to know who your coach and what projects he's been in. How many tours he's been on and how long they are. I wan to see what his other students sound like after taking lessons from him

I want more than just your word

[north kettle]

The artists ironically know better than the teacher. What are the teachers qualifications? Justin is crazy and it shows. His vocals are good

Lemme hear ur teachers screams

[patent lintel]

I wouldn't say artist know more. I would say a coach who is an artist knows more

I know that some vocalists have no clue what they are doing and can't explain it to people, but sound awesome and are doing right. It take more than just sounding good to be a teacher

But if Conic's guy has 30 years of experience he should have recordings of him and should have a music career I can look up to see how good he is.

If I'm going to take Conic's word then I have no proof

[north kettle]

Exactly what I’m saying

[storm yew]

He's a professional choral singer now, he learned vocals a long time ago from his vocalist and still continues to learn and practice most credibility through melissa cross, which I use her stuff as well.
He's continued studying the techniques and anatomy of the voice.
He offers lessons via the local music center he offers voice lessons and piano...

[patent lintel]

Send recordings of his vocals

And testimonials from students if he has those too

[storm yew]

I don't have any though probably can achieve some, only things that are public are things he has to post for hiring years ago.

[patent lintel]

Then I don't trust it

[storm yew]

You don't have to doesn't really matter

[patent lintel]

At least the guys who I referenced has things you can look up

[storm yew]

From a structural anatomy point fry screams are the quietest

They choose to do lessons and tips for free my teacher doesn't just how it works.

[patent lintel]

Yeah so does Justin

He does actual lessons when he's not touring

[stoic basin]

@storm yew this is loud.

[storm yew]

Yes but he also posts things for people to reference and use

I never said that they aren't loud I even stated I can be loud with them and be safe 😂

I stated they are the softest most commonly used vocal technique

[patent lintel]

I would not say they are the most common. I'm pretty sure that FC is more common but you may be right on that point

[storm yew]

For learning, FC is the most common dependent on the genre fry is generally what is used most all the local bands here do fry the most and out of majority of the bands I've seen live it is fry although plenty of other genres will use FC the most

[patent lintel]

Yeah it really depends on genre. I don't hear too many metalcore bands doing a lot of FC growls.

I guess since I listen to a lot of deathcore/death metal/black metal I'm pretty used to hearing FC in the majority of it

[stoic basin]

Everyone does either fry or other types of fry screams

[patent lintel]

eeeeeeh

[stoic basin]

Tom Barber does false cord in Chelsea grin and arytenoid stuff in darko

[patent lintel]

Yeah

BTW what do y'all think of the new Darko song

I fucking loved it

[stoic basin]

It was amazing I love the cleans

Might cover it soon

[patent lintel]

Such a good switch up and it worked perfectly

[storm yew]

I like there music vidoes not too much the music got well I do but it's when I'm in a specific mood

[patent lintel]

Understandable. There are a lot of bands I only listen to in a certain mood

[gloomy birch]

New Darko song is amazing

Everything they've put out for this album makes me hyped for what they have in store

[storm yew]

I've always preferred more technically complex music, prog and what not less "heavy" that's a subjective word, I'm not super big into breakdowns I'll enjoy them just not my main thing.

[patent lintel]

Understandable

[storm yew]

I gotta take my bed apart and my desks and take everything out of my room and put it back together

[patent lintel]

Why?

[storm yew]

OCD brain

Need more space

[patent lintel]

lol

[gloomy birch]

What I will say on this topic, I think my brain enjoys progressive playing, speed, and experimentation, but it also enjoys brutality on occasion. It's how I'm able to enjoy something like "Behold" by Born of Osiris, but also something like "Alienation" by Larcenia Roe.

[storm yew]

Archspire

Or first fragment

Or rings of Saturn

My favs

[gloomy birch]

I think the downfall with listening to all of the cool experimental stuff is that I tend to skip or gloss over the stuff that may not be as technical, brutal, progressive, or as complex.

It's why I'm more likely to listen to Born of Osiris or Archspire than I am to, say, an Architects album.

[storm yew]

Born of Osiris sucked live literally left the show

[gloomy birch]

(Which, I still haven't ever listened to a full-length Architects album)

Hm

[storm yew]

Was really excited like their stuff same with my dad we said fuck it not worth staying merch was more interesting

[gloomy birch]

Oof

Did you know, right before Jason Richardson joined the band, Born of Osiris had Tosin Abasi as a touring guitarist for a brief period of time?

[patent lintel]

LARCENIA ROE IS AWESOME

[storm yew]

Ya, although he doesn't play for them anymore which sucked wanted to see him lol

[patent lintel]

All three are awesome

[storm yew]

I'm learning a full archspire album currently

[patent lintel]

Oh shit

That's going to be cool

[storm yew]

Both guitar parts then plan on the bass part when I get my bass

[patent lintel]

Nice

[storm yew]

I'm doing it for fun don't plan on recording it or anything just good practice, I'm also figuring out all the details and intervals of the parts I like so I understand how the song is built so I can apply it

[patent lintel]

Yeah makes sense

[storm yew]

It was funny I was doing vocals at a family gathering and some of the kids were trying to make fun by trying to do it so later that day at the table talking about how they are done and I said if you do them wrong you could maybe never speak again, both the kids started crying thinking they fucked up bad

(I'm a great human)

[patent lintel]

LMAO

Terrifying childred is the best

[storm yew]

Yes especially the brat kind

[patent lintel]

So @storm yew do you like much bm inspired stuff?

If so I'd suggest checking out Worm Shepherd. It's technical, but also pretty ignorant

[storm yew]

https://youtu.be/j2_ad6yELWY?si=elp37ViHLTXMSUpP

Not sure what this is but the bass player is great always enjoy his stuff.
Vocals are definitely something

[storm yew]

Never been a huge fan of that side of stuff.

[patent lintel]

Ok

[storm yew]

I mean niethful is nice and mire lore

[patent lintel]

Mire Lore is pretty good yeah. The new song was put on premier for a week from now I think

Actually the new song comes out Sunday

[storm yew]

Cool

[storm yew]

Listen to this

[patent lintel]

That's a bit too much for me

[storm yew]

Very fair

[storm yew]

https://youtu.be/N31W_bZDP-Q?si=zbUrWJlPvBKag1f3

Here is the bass

[patent lintel]

that's a bass?

WHAT THE FUCK??????

[storm yew]

:)

I'm getting a 7 string bass

[patent lintel]

Why do you need that?

[storm yew]

Project I'm working on, more range just more options you can do, I have a 9 string guitar as well...

[patent lintel]

Ok then I guess

That is going to be so heavy

[storm yew]

No breakdown planned

[patent lintel]

Still

I just want you to record like a three second thing of tremolo picking the low sting

[storm yew]

It will be low, it's archspire with Animals as leaders for the rhythm type stuff and a bit of lead from archspire then really bright fun prog leads...

[storm yew]

I'll send a recording of that in #1095986343848448020

[patent lintel]

ok

[storm yew]

I'll play with a real amp as well just for a dumber sound maybe two distortion pedals in max?

[clever mesa]

is this too much?

[stoic basin]

what's even is this 💀 💀 💀 💀

[patent lintel]

What do y'all think of my new mids?

and low

[patent lintel]

You are doing fucking great

[patent lintel]

lmao

[patent lintel]

Sounds good man

[stoic basin]

I am so loud. You can hear my room echo 😂😂😂😂

[patent lintel]

BTW @stoic basin what do you think of mine

[stoic basin]

It’s so cool ngl

Reminds me of my old Fc

[stoic basin]

I was angry

[clever mesa]

@north kettle forget what i said before, taking the pop filter off was one of the best decisions i've made

[clever mesa]

no idea why i did this, just felt bored ig

[stoic basin]

@patent lintel what do you think?

[patent lintel]

Sounds pretty good.

You still need to work on highs tho

Mids and lows sound very solid

[stoic basin]

I don’t do highs because I can’t get them good/high enough to my liking

[stoic basin]

that scared me so badly 😂 😂 😂

[storm yew]

Good reason to practice them if you want them in your arsenal if not then you don't need to

[stoic basin]

it's a 50/50 gamble if they work/sound good nowadays

[patent lintel]

You have to start with high mids and work your way up. It will take time to make a high mid into an actual high

[patent lintel]

And that sounds fucking insane

New Mire Lore just dropped if anyone cares. Dan's vocals sound amazing on this one.

[patent lintel]

@stoic basin

[patent lintel]

With fry you can also go into falsetto with fc you can't do it without hurting yourself

[storm yew]

^

[stoic basin]

I think I am doing hybrid

[patent lintel]

Possible

[stoic basin]

Anyways I am really loud

[patent lintel]

lmao

Just don't over project

[stoic basin]

Idk how to. I just sang a really loud note and added my distortion to it

[patent lintel]

Over projecting is being too loud and pushing too much.

A lot of times it won't hurt but if you did it live your voice would get worn out

[patent lintel]

My suggestion for doing different things with your vocals is to do a bunch of stupid voiecs and then pute your screams through that placement. If it sounds interesting play around with it.

Just a thought for everyone

[storm yew]

I'd say work on the cleans, although I never have enjoyed those types of cleans so don't really take that advice.
Doesn't sound to bad keep practicing and practicing each time you've been getting better

[stoic basin]

I don’t normally do gritty cleans or cleans in general because my cleans are awful

[storm yew]

As a choir singer cleans are a bit part of me and for metal they are underestimated in my opinion but ya no I understand

[patent lintel]

If a part of your voice sounds bad then do it more and make it sound better.

Only reason my cleans sound good is because I've been singing for the past eight years

[stoic basin]

Like I can’t improve it because I need to have guidance from a coach because my clean technique is bad ngl

[patent lintel]

Well finding a singing vocal coach is much easier than a screaming coach

[stoic basin]

I might get lessons with Justin.

[patent lintel]

Hell yeah man

[stoic basin]

Idk if this is any good

[north kettle]

I swear my voice wasn’t dying here, my microphone just stopped picking me up. This was my attempt at the 24 second scream. Imma keep trying at it tho

(Shure sm7b was just a prop, was not the actual mic used)

[stoic basin]

I unlocked 2022 Eda vocals 😁😁😁😁

[stoic basin]

Unlocked a new high scream yesterday!

[patent lintel]

sounds good

[lean notch]

bro hit in my feels

[north kettle]

Haha thank you!

[sly wind]

I’m so annoyed rn, I think I shot my voice from false chord screaming

It could be that or it could be cuz I’m sick, but I just have allergies

[storm yew]

Can you cleany pronounce vowels and consonants chested or do they become airy

[sly wind]

Half and half

Talking is a bit of a challenge, but when it comes to notes, barely an A

My choir teacher told me it could be acid reflux but I’m not entirely positive that’s what it is

[sly wind]

But I have to reach really low a couple octaves just to make it sound decent

[storm yew]

You could have damaged your voice I mean I just know the signs and what it feels like compared to being sick but can't say over text.

[sly wind]

It might just be from a sickness, I’ve been waking up with a sore throat that you get from like snoring and all that, and it just got progressively worse. I was talking pretty fine yesterday and was able to sing well, and then it just got more hoarse throughout the day

[storm yew]

Stay hydrated

[sly wind]

Already had 2 bottles this morning and I’m going for my 3rd

[storm yew]

Good

[stoic basin]

Idk my yells have this crunchy and wet texture to it!

[bold valve]

My poor rendition of the classic To The Hellfire breakdown

[agile rapids]

im in need of an clean vocalist if someone is interested DM me

[clever mesa]

does screaming work with lofi? not really, but better than expected. was it worth a try? i dunno.

[gloomy hornet]

PLS start making Scream Lofi an actual genre. I will be your #1 fan forever.

[patent lintel]

Look up the new Will Ramos track

[gloomy hornet]

IDK whether that was meant to be a diss or not LMAO?

[patent lintel]

Not at all

I'm just saying if you want more music that's kinda lofi screaming his new track is like that

[gloomy hornet]

Pretty sure you just called one of the most successful bands today Lofi music

🤣

[patent lintel]

He solo release

I'll link it

[gloomy hornet]

Thanks dude

[patent lintel]

https://open.spotify.com/track/1AJogZxclS4rOCvKSHdu7V?si=bfd78de8df934120

It's really good

[gloomy hornet]

That's more EDM than Lofi. But yeah, he did an incredible job on it.

[gloomy hornet]

Can anyone here explain to me how Goregrind vocals are done. Ik that they use a pitch shifter, but I wonder how they get that really wet sounding gurgle.

[stoic basin]

@patent lintel my old fry lows sound so bad. my new highs sound better tho

[patent lintel]

I mean they aint that bad

Better fry than I can do for sure lol

[stoic basin]

when i do my lows from my yells they sound better

[patent lintel]

With the old lows have you tried doing a tunnel with it?

[stoic basin]

yeah.

i did gutturals and pig squeals as well

[patent lintel]

I mean it sounds good. That's probably the one you would use to just who how long you can hold a guttural for. If it's not as loud it uses less air.

[patent lintel]

Dope

[gloomy birch]

Trying to do a scream similar to Sean from Make Them Suffer here

Take 2

With less of an emphasis on false chord (I think?)

[hollow apex]

https://youtu.be/HRhV55qV16k?si=JKBIqcFXj0pGg6EC

i'm trying to improve myself, if someone can give some feedback i would really appreciate that

[hollow apex]

i think its because they are inhale screams

[patent lintel]

They both sound good. Nice job on relaxing that FC and giving it more of a true cord sound. Sounds pissed keepe it up

[patent lintel]

Sounds cool man

[gloomy birch]

Noice!

It is very crispy

In a good way

[stoic basin]

Thanks!

My Oli Sykes impression 🤕🤕🤕

[stoic basin]

@patent lintel @gloomy birch what do you think?

[gloomy birch]

Pretty close to Oli

[stoic basin]

i don't know Era tho

[gloomy birch]

Likely between Suicide Season and Sempiternal

[stoic basin]

nice i love that era!

[hollow apex]

thanks mate

[clever mesa]

kinda shitty, prolly cus i did it all in one take i was lazy

[stoic basin]

Got emotional during this

New low 👀👀👀👀

[gloomy hornet]

Rate/Roast my gutturals. I'm the lead Vocalist for the band Degloved Face.

[bold valve]

Some poor lows

[stoic basin]

Felt like giving this a try

[stoic basin]

My low sounds cool

[patent lintel]

Sounds good

[clever mesa]

i tried screaming without warming up, i'm still laughing at this 💀

[patent lintel]

Sounds fucking sick

[patent lintel]

noice

[rustic canyon]

i had a question

[gloomy hornet]

Nope 👎

You're on the right track with the head voice. However, you're way off with the amount of closure needed to actually do a good sounding fry scream. Add more closure, and start with chest voice distortion. When you can add enough closure to get fry distortion from the chest, then transfer to your head voice. Good luck! And thanks for the hilarious fry attempt, I enjoyed listening to it!😆

Oh BTW my fry scream SUCKS, I'm just reiterating shit that I've heard on the Internet 😎🤣

[rustic canyon]

Nice, thanks for the information, glad i made you laugh !

i'll ask some question again when i'll be able to scream (right now parents are home)

[storm yew]

Good place to start for finding fry is where the voice cracks that's one of the more natural fry positions the vocal folds need closer and to be relaxed

[bold valve]

Some lows

[north kettle]

How do you guys personally come up with lyrics for sung choruses? I have a really sick idea for my pre breakdown, and breakdown, but I’m stuck on singing stuff

What’s your writing advice for singing stuff?

[storm yew]

Find a topic and an emotion and work on finding words and phrases that emphasize on those ideas.

[north kettle]

also, with EQ, how many tracks should i bring onto my vocals? like do i eq different screams differently? for this song i wanna go super high and super low

[storm yew]

Personal preference

[lean notch]

My texts are depressing af if I try to write anything💀 I have alot of lyrics in my head but im not able to share them

[agile rapids]

nice one

[patent lintel]

noice

[agile rapids]

or you can do this

combine it with false chord scream lol

or high mid

[patent lintel]

All the ones I do are FC so yeah

[stoic basin]

My technique is so worn down at moment. I think I pushed over my limit. I practiced for 11 days straight with no rest days in between

[patent lintel]

Bruh, dude you need to take days off and you don't need to practice for more than 30 min a day at max

[stoic basin]

Yeah no wonder why my screams started to hurt a few minutes into my sessions because of overuse

[clever mesa]

I screamed over the whole breakdown of tears don’t fall a few months back. I actually lost the file for a bit, but I found it again

[calm sluice]

also it's healthier to practice for a few minutes throughout the day rather than doing it all in one chunk

[north kettle]

I would disagree with that 30 minute thing. If you’re screaming safely, you shouldn’t be hurting yourself after 30 minutes of screaming. Sure you may be tired after it, because screaming is a workout afterall, but how do you think concerts are done? These guys are screaming for hours at a time and not feeling it

I will say though, drink water. That’s something a lot of people get wrong. Look at these metal vocalists and look at the copious amounts of water they drink

Don’t scream for more than 30 minutes without water

Definitely take rest days though. Burnout is a bitch

[patent lintel]

My brother in Christ. I get my info from the vocal courses I pay for so I don't blow my voice out.

[patent lintel]

Also your vocal cords aren't muscles. It's not a work out. You should never be pushing your vox to the point of strain

[storm yew]

I mean they are muscle tissue, you can exercise them to help with strength and endurance.

Also with the water thing most people think water cleans the vocal folds or what not it's purely just for hydration the water doesn't touch your vocal folds I mean they sometimes do and you start chocking and coughing on it...

Though still most of that strength comes from the surrounding muscles as well.

[patent lintel]

I understand the tissue part however. It's not like lifting weights.

[storm yew]

No absolutely not

Most metal vocalists are drinking so much water because they are running around and moving in a hot stage and breathing a lot which drys out the mouth and throat and just you are sweating so much they just need to stay hydrated.

[north kettle]

im not talking about a workout in that way. im more talking about that diaphram. my diaphram is the thing that hurts after a bit of screaming

but how do you think metal vocalists do shows, if you cant scream for more than 30 minutes? that would make practice sessions, recording, and live shows nearly impossible

[storm yew]

He said you don't need to practice for more then 30 minutes a day... recording and live shows aren't practice sessions.

[north kettle]

with any sort of singing, or screaming, you will sound better with water. whether that be with running around, or singing a beautiful rendition of "hallelujah", drink water

[storm yew]

That's just hydrated vs dehydrated

[north kettle]

but im saying you can if you want lol

[storm yew]

Yes he never said you can't practice for longer then 30 minutes either I don't think

[north kettle]

maybe i misread haha

my bad

im kind of an idiot myself sometimes

but you dont have to call it at 30 minutes, thats what im saying. if you feel like more than 30 minutes, do it

[storm yew]

Yes and no, depends on what you are practicing for, different routines for different things.

But ya definitely can do more then half an hour

[north kettle]

id also say its good to build up endurance, because it does feel like a workout sometimes

[storm yew]

Doing shorter intervals more often can be better for building endurance

[patent lintel]

You can but you shouldn't practice for longer. There is a reason most people blow their voice out when they on tour rather than any time else. You can practice for longer hell you can do vocals for over 12 hours if you do everything perfect, but you shouldn't. You should practice for 30 l. That's all you need to improve

[stoic basin]

I love this vocal style so much

[patent lintel]

Do my vox actually sound like that?

[storm yew]

That's the single your dinky phone speaker is sending

Signal

[patent lintel]

Still sounds a lot better than I expected it to

[storm yew]

Very fair, you also have the phone off to the side and not in front of you

[patent lintel]

That is because it would be awekward to hold the phone directly infront of my face and I prefer to do vocals when facing forward

[storm yew]

Lots goes into it lol, you are in a car not using an amazing microphone probably not warmed up... We having definitely different styles of yells but that's the thing about screaming it's still so personal

[patent lintel]

I was actually warmed up there. I just didn't expect my highs to sound that good after recovering from a quick cold.

[storm yew]

Honestly being sick and doing vocals can give you some fun sounds haha. Good to hear you are recovering though, never fun.

[bold valve]

I think my lows are improving, not sure tho

[sonic sedge]

i kinda suck and i have for years but im getting back into vocals a bit and i have some questions

the quiet one was easy the one that had actual voice in it was harder

it had more tension and slipped more into possibly bad for throat territory

but i also dont know if thats cuz i had bad technique or cuz i was making the fry noise (NOT THE GRUDGE NOISE) under my breath for 5 hours at work beforehand and my voice was tired

also shit audio quality but its just my phone

[amber star]

idk if this is impressive or not but go me

raw audio in audacity + default compressor settings

[agile rapids]

yo guys, i really need some mixing ears here! i lost all my settings, and i needed to re-mix everything and had to work on the presets again. i hope this sounds good enough to upload, i would appreciate some tips, or more help as well

[rustic canyon]

i recorded myself after and tried to mix it

[rustic canyon]

oh my this sound amazing

but the thumbnail wth

[glass prism]

Plauge be upon ye

🐀

[rustic canyon]

plauge be upon ye

[north kettle]

This is “blood sport” by sleep token. I harmonized with most of it, and did the screams in the choruses. Honestly hyped with how this turned out, especially given it was a one take thing

[lean notch]

damn this is beautiful🥹💙

[gloomy birch]

https://youtu.be/FH2jWlug0as?si=yfgO_RqjwQ2Xc5Y7

[north kettle]

thank you so much! that means a lot to me ♥️♥️♥️

[patent lintel]

I'm debating buying a vinyl or a band shirt they are the same price. What do y'all think?

[gloomy birch]

Depends, what is the vinyl or band shirt of?

What band is it?

[patent lintel]

Worm Shepherd-Ritual Hymns

The Frozen Lake shirt they have with Rising Merch

[gloomy birch]

Dunno

Which one do you feel you'll get more value out of over time?

[patent lintel]

Idk tbh

[gloomy birch]

The shirt looks pretty cool to be fair

[patent lintel]

Yeah I ordered the vinyl

Gotta be my favorite album and favorite band now

[north kettle]

Depends. Which are you going to use more?

[rustic canyon]

does this sounds legit ?

[north kettle]

Actually sounds super sick man! I fuck with it a lot

[rustic canyon]

Thank you plankton, have a good fuck !

[stoic basin]

Sounded cool today

I don’t do cleans.

[lean notch]

This is really good, well done damn u caught up really quick!!

[rustic canyon]

Thank you ! It's been 3-2 years for now, since i wanted to scream and become a frontman, i was doing this sound for awhile, but it wasn't sounding really good and it was hurting. Now it feels good, (still don't know if it's a fry scream or not but it sounds hella sick and it's not hurting my voice)

[stoic basin]

@patent lintel what do you think?

[bold valve]

Some unwarmed up vocals.

[lean notch]

Nice u are doing good!

[viral dock]

how can i send a vid?

im getting there lol

[patent lintel]

Sounds cool

[patent lintel]

I meant true cords not true voice

[stoic basin]

Your Girl got better at some stuff!

[agile rapids]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxrmVNC-FKk Sup guys, this is my new song. i would need some feedback on the Mixdown & Quality. Would appreciate it alot!! <3

if anyone can sing like that hmu

[cursive crescent]

I love this kazoo sample, what did you use to make it?

[bold valve]

Some new stuff

[patent lintel]

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/oc5i2toatwsv7j3lo3kxc/20240304_155527.mp4?rlkey=x0tr9pkyo7ls1agpthg0sn3t1&dl=0

Loud but not supe rloud

[stoic basin]

1 month in

Almost 3 months in

[sage star]

hey everyone. its not a cover of a song but im trying to work out how i should go about doing vocals a for a song. im a complete noob for this and the closest i get to doing anything like this is twitch streaming through obs

[storm yew]

If you can get a vocal teacher

[agile rapids]

nothing its from youtube lol

[stoic basin]

I think I found my own sound

[patent lintel]

Well I have finally unlocked fry screams

After like four months of trying I got them

[storm yew]

Nuce

[storm yew]

Some fun stuff

[patent lintel]

Also you are right they are quieter than my FC

but I think that's cause I'm not doing it the right way yet still need to work on it

Just figured it out today really

[storm yew]

With the closer of fry you just don't want to pass as much air, you can definitely work up to getting louder though 100%

Closure*

[patent lintel]

I'll keep working on it

[storm yew]

Have fun

[clever mesa]

didn't even warm up before this, low key proud of myself

[hollow apex]

my shitty goofy ahh vocals

[stoic basin]

@patent lintel working on Glottal Compression

Unlocked Hungry Lights type highs

[lyric dune]

Tips for mid range and lower range growls?

Mid range example: Randy Blythe (LoG)
Low example: Kyle Anderson (BoS)

I’ve never done growls

[patent lintel]

get down a FC scream

[patent lintel]

sounds good keep workin on it

[lyric dune]

Any good videos that cover this?

[patent lintel]

Anything from Kardavox Academ

You can check out the videos on BoS that they have on that channel

[patent lintel]

@lyric dune That's how I got this

That and the Slaughter to Prevail videos

[river obsidian]

right we're back

[spring geode]

How do ik if I'm using diaphragm or not

[quick tartan]

https://youtu.be/BlZf2wP9Gqo?si=RwoW7twY0MV4jQgq is this good at all?

(It’s my second acc)

(I just posted it because I spent time)

[wraith mesa]

just cuz

false chord ftw

SHADOW OF INTENT- THE MIGRANT

is the song name

[north kettle]

looking at vocals from a long time ago is so crazy

because like

BRUH

i SUCKED 2 years ago. now im at a place where i like my vocals, but HOLY FUCK im dying at how horrific these were

[lean notch]

holy shit thats amazing!

[wraith mesa]

thank you sm❤️

[quick tartan]

Fuck yeah that shit is AWESOME

[glass prism]

https://youtu.be/wPIRtHV40Yc?si=eNH9baqj1ZTUgI7E

[quick tartan]

Halo inspired song incase y’all didn’t know

[glass prism]

Lmao key reason I love soi

[quick tartan]

Fair enough

My fav is Elegy III: Overcome soooo

[glass prism]

My personal favorite i even did a small bit of here

It's from ruin we rise its so good

[quick tartan]

nivr

nice*

thoughts?

[meager pier]

My attempt at piece the veil and to kinda show I sound a lil bit like Vic

I can’t belt😔

[patent lintel]

sounds good but you need to work on that belting. Once you get belting down it's so fun

[meager pier]

I will

I’ve been trying

[meager pier]

Got like some basics to learning belting

I got the main ideas down

Just gotta practice as much as I can

[spring geode]

Am I false chording?

[flint canopy]

does my fry scream sound healthy? i just learned it a few days ago and idk if I'm doing it correctly

[spring geode]

fire

[stoic basin]

My highs are crazy right now

[stoic basin]

not really goood 😦

[meager pier]

Bud that’s pretty good to me

Also you in a band

I’m willing to listen

[stoic basin]

i am not in a band currently

i am mostly cover stuff

[meager pier]

You’d definitely be good in a band

Something chaotic

[stoic basin]

yeah.

[meager pier]

Yea sounds pretty good to me actually

[bold valve]

Some lows and some snarls.

[rustic canyon]

architects and fry scream

[patent lintel]

Not that bad man, need to work on your singing a little tho

[patent lintel]

@stoic basin needs to get in a nu core band

[meager pier]

She should

It’d work for her

[stoic basin]

Yeah I haven’t done Sass singing since 2023

[lean notch]

damn thats so good!!

[flint canopy]

thank you

[rustic canyon]

Thanks !

[quick tartan]

What the fuck…

[glass prism]

https://youtu.be/yHcCQq2SnhI?si=k7ZrjLcjcCm7oT9p

[glass prism]

The fuck?

[rustic canyon]

what the heeeeeeel

[rustic canyon]

bro went : 👹 👹 👹 👹 👹 🐭 🐹 🐭 🐹 👹 👹 👹🐑

[stoic basin]

Just showing my new low and high!

[meager pier]

My vore cover sucks😭

First off I didn’t run any effects so it’s just raw

Second I accidentally kept trying to impersonate vessels voice

That’s actually it

The screaming pretty good

[quick tartan]

https://youtu.be/7Ejridpon-U?si=GpiotXt8kOZUvoPj featuring guitar from @meager pier

(I made this)

[meager pier]

This is good

I love it

[quick tartan]

Thank youuuu

I’m gonna fix it up and repost it tmrw

[meager pier]

I can try and do the screaming cause idk if you know if you know how to at all

Unless you have family with you

[glass prism]

Couldn't find the instrumental with the actual quoting so I did it myself

[quick tartan]

No it was recorded late at night, so I’m half asleep so I can’t rlly scream.

[meager pier]

Oh

Well I mean

I guess my neighbors love me then😭

[bold valve]

I feel like this is one of my better snarls.

[stoic basin]

My new lows sound sick

[patent lintel]

Sounds good man

[calm sluice]

Oh btw if anyone wants in depth advice on vocal health I'm currently learning the McClosky method u can get the book online

It's mainly for clean singing, but the warm ups are solid

[stoic basin]

My highs are wacky 🤕🤕🤕

[meager pier]

Bruh ignore the white thing on my lip that’s a part from my mazapan😅

Just showing my highs and lows

[meager pier]

This considered decent

[clever mesa]

i found this from a while ago. but it got me thinking, what if i combined deathcore with extratone

[patent lintel]

If anyone want to hear the best deathcore highs ever go back and listen to the first three Suicide Silence albums. https://open.spotify.com/track/36w5Ai2rVganBlTiflogxT?si=c7fce964b97948d6 Wake up is one of my favorite songs from that era

[meager pier]

Yea

They had the best highs in that whole era

[patent lintel]

Eddie's vocals on the new albums are also fucking awesome. Capable of Violence is incredible. He was the only one who could live up to the legacy Mitch had started. And anyone who says he's shit in SS can suck it the fuck up

[meager pier]

Their Alr but I wouldn’t say they can live up to Mitch but hey that’s me I haven’t listened to the new stuff a lot

Maybe their actually the best thing I’ll hear

[patent lintel]

Their last album Remember.... You Must Die is top three from them for me.

Thinking In Tongues makes it into my top ten songs from them with out a doubt

[buoyant chasm]

I have NEVER tried this properly before

It hurts bro

[meager pier]

Oh that’s not good

[buoyant chasm]

I need to stick to guitar

[meager pier]

That’s not good for vocals

[buoyant chasm]

Well the first one hurt

But I probably just did it wrong

[meager pier]

You just need practice

[buoyant chasm]

Yeah

The last little goblin orgasm which is what I’m gonna call it sounded good

[meager pier]

😭

[buoyant chasm]

I probably just need to do it not laying on my side

And it’ll sound better or not hurt

[meager pier]

Damn your voice deeper than mine😭

I’m 25 somehow

[buoyant chasm]

I’m actually trying to sound like I’m throwing up a hairball with no bass

[buoyant chasm]

Having a deeper voice sucks cause high chords are hard

[meager pier]

Oh damn

I guess that makes sense

[buoyant chasm]

Better?? Maybe?

[meager pier]

That sounds pretty nasty

[buoyant chasm]

OH MY GOD NO

It cut out.

[meager pier]

Does it hurt?

[buoyant chasm]

It sounds like I’m actually throwing up

[buoyant chasm]

No

[meager pier]

Perfect

Welcome to the vocals hall of fame

[buoyant chasm]

I didn’t know sounding like a dying animal was a talent but here I am ig

[meager pier]

Yup

[buoyant chasm]

I’m scared one day I’ll voice crack in the middle of a scream

Like a vocal pitch harmonic 💀

[stoic basin]

my new highs are crazy

[stoic basin]

you can hear it more here

[buoyant chasm]

Holy shit

How do you even do that

[stoic basin]

i just did it one day and i evolved it

[meager pier]

It’s sad that 4 years of singing and like 4 weeks ago I actually found my real singing voice

Do not impersonate someone

[buoyant chasm]

Fr

Make your own wild animal noises

[meager pier]

Unless you naturally sound like them do not even try

[meager pier]

Oh yea that too

[stoic basin]

@patent lintel what do you think of my new highs?

[buoyant chasm]

I think I should get more into vocals considering I already knew how to make almost impossible sounds with my voice because of how weird I was in elementary

[meager pier]

Okay your screams pretty decent

I like them

[stoic basin]

believe it or not i am only 3 months into doing this technique

[meager pier]

That’s nice

Took me like 4 months to even get highs to sound good

[stoic basin]

i picked up fry naturally and its better than my falsecord

[meager pier]

Yea same

[stoic basin]

i do aryepi fry which is pretty cool in comparison to the other types of fry i tried doing in the span of the 4 years i been doing vocals

[meager pier]

Tbh I haven’t branched out to other fry types besides this mix between clean and distorted

[stoic basin]

false fold fry aka hybrids sound cool

i haven't learn that yet

[meager pier]

They cool

It has more of a falsecord sound but you hear some slight fry

[stoic basin]

Burnt out vocals

[meager pier]

Damn😭

Your screams are so much better

But to be frank I usually stick to my chest range v

[stoic basin]

same

all my technique is chest

i may belt a bit to do yelled stuff

@meager pier

[meager pier]

That’s pretty good

This is like the only real video I have of my like upper chest voice screams

Well rn at least

I’m to lazy to scroll to find the actual like heavy screams I did

Actually might as well

The best example of my highs and lows

I’d say it’s pretty good for what they are

[gloomy birch]

Uploading my favorite cover I've ever done

It's gonna be good, I hope

https://youtu.be/04LREcKEpc0?si=wLU0ZI6O_wNzjUOB

I cannot explain to you why I love this song so much, it's just SO GOOD

[stoic basin]

@meager pier

[meager pier]

I like these too

[meager pier]

@stoic basin how you feel about this?

[stoic basin]

sounds good

[meager pier]

Thanks

I just wanted to make sure before I burn my friends ears off when I sing it at karaoke night

[stoic basin]

cool

if i ever do karaoke night i am probably gonna sound bad

[meager pier]

It’s alright it’s about having fun

And to show off too

[lean notch]

the hair is giving fluffy Oli hair haha

[meager pier]

Oh you see that😭😅

[lean notch]

Haha ofc first thing I noticed, nice!😂

[meager pier]

No one ever told me it gave them fluffy oli hair

I’m so happy

[lean notch]

Hahaha glad I made u happy

[patent lintel]

@stoic basin that clip sounded pretty good man

[hollow apex]

thats so sickk

[stoic basin]

Thank you so much!

It took me awhile to develop them

[stoic basin]

My vocals are shot due to practicing and not warming up.

It’s hard to do the whole line plus the 17 second scream

[meager pier]

Your highs kinda sound like Bert McCracken

Like idk they give me that vibe

Are you doing fry’s?

It sounds to have a bit of false cord action tbh

I mean I’m too used to my high pitched screams😭

So like normal like baritone singer screams confuse me

[stoic basin]

yeah its pure fry. that's all i can do at the moment

[meager pier]

Oh shit they sound pretty moist

[stoic basin]

i do aryepi fry

[meager pier]

Oh that makes sense then

[stoic basin]

Dickie Allen and a friend of mine do that technique

[meager pier]

Man best I can do for that sound is a false cord high

[stoic basin]

Fc highs are alright for highs from my experience

[meager pier]

I’ve always done them when I wanted to do high fry screams

Their nice

They sound good and do the job as good as fry’s

[stoic basin]

i am playing around with my voiced fry stuff. its still wheezey because i lack the closure the make it sound good

once i add the closure it will sound like my lows like it doesn't sound airy

[supple jolt]

you have to do the compressed false chord scream like Nergal from Behemoth or Corey from slipknot to hit higher pitched false chord, lemme send a video.

this are my high false chord screams with the normal false chord i used for the lows on weed out the weak.

i know it probably sounds worse than a normal fry, but im still new to the compressed false chord, still, you can hear the difference in the pitch and the highness, that being said i can easily enough transition between false lows and fry highs, so that's what I'm doing

[stoic basin]

I was sitting down and my support is bad

[supple jolt]

i saw the previous vid you sent . try to pronounce better, id like it much better personally.

tone is good.

[stoic basin]

This one’s for you

[supple jolt]

the last scream was sick!

at the very end it sounded like corey taylor and mikael from Opeth had a baby

[stoic basin]

Thank you so much!

[supple jolt]

haven't tried singing this song in like ever, so im not even gonna pretend that was good 😂

[stoic basin]

@meager pier @patent lintel

[meager pier]

Good stuff man

Sorry I’ve been passed out in bed for like 3 hours extra

[patent lintel]

Sounds cool

[stoic basin]

singing is bad but you can tell my voiced fry is easy to go into and out of off

[clever mesa]

loud btw

[patent lintel]

If you singing is bad that is what you should practice the most. If you only practice the things you are good at you will naver make the stuff you have issues with better.

[meager pier]

Practice as much with your singing as much as you do screaming

Sing your favorite songs

That helps

You get better at singing by learning techniques

But you learn a lot just from singing too

That’s just how I learned

[stoic basin]

My singing voice is awful to listen to believe it or not

[patent lintel]

Then practice to make it better. Look up some singing videos on youtube or something

[meager pier]

It takes time to really find the real voice you like

Your singing voice may be found in a week or a month or years

It just takes time

You practice and it gets better

[analog grove]

wut do u think?

[meager pier]

I’m seeing a trend on this channel where people try and do the 17 second long scream on that song

Welp

I have to do it now

[supple jolt]

what about the 20 second i did on Weed out the weak?

[meager pier]

Fuck I’ll try that too

Also do you have a video on that or?

Cause 20 seconds is impressive

[supple jolt]

here it is

i can hold for longer 20 seconds is mid XD

[meager pier]

I mean I guess you are doing tunnels

Which makes sense why you can hold them that long

[supple jolt]

IDK wtf im doing for a long high scream

[meager pier]

Are you putting your tongue to the side of your cheek

That

Sounds really odd now that I see it

Oh damn

You aren’t doing that

[supple jolt]

nop

sec

i recorded 25 secs

basic fry

my record is 33 secs

[meager pier]

No tongue action?

Okay

[supple jolt]

nop

[meager pier]

Oh wow

My records 25.5 seconds

[supple jolt]

here's a 30 + second scream

started getting hard ~25 second

now don't ask me about growls 😄 cant do for more than 10 seconds

[meager pier]

Growls use a lot more air

Max I got was 16 ish

[supple jolt]

with fry low 16 seems possible, but i really don't like my fry tone so i just do false chords

[meager pier]

Yea false cords just use a lot more air than fry

Fry is where your vocal cords are just kinda sputtering around

[hollow apex]

i suck

[meager pier]

False cords are usually open

[supple jolt]

tone is really good

[meager pier]

Trust me that’s pretty good

[supple jolt]

Oli i wanna hear you sing weed out the weak now. 😄 Dani Filth like fry scream on a Peter Tagtgren song oof.

[hollow apex]

goofy ahh

[meager pier]

I’ll try in a bit it’s to early for me to just scream

Even tho all I scream at 8 all the time but I mean my neighbors need to love me again

[stoic basin]

@meager pier

[meager pier]

Great take

[clever mesa]

i've been posting way too many memes recently. anyways, is my mixing better or still kinda screwed?

[woven ember]

BMTH during cooking time

[clever mesa]

not trying to be mean or anything, but why it kinda sound like a japanese vocalist trying to scream in english?

that ain't bryan garris, thats brianu garisu

[amber star]

@supple jolt this was my attempt but i only do false chords

[amber star]

for like longest scream but in general

[supple jolt]

ill hear when im at home, working atm

[supple jolt]

holyshit

[amber star]

Haha

I could probably do longer but I'm not home right now

I think people would get bored if that was in a song 💀

Maybe better for live

[supple jolt]

yes

[stoic basin]

I will take that as a compliment

[lean notch]

love the vibe!🤘🏼

[stoic basin]

@meager pier @patent lintel

[meager pier]

Idk what I heard it’s good but it sounds like pac man if he had lung cancer

[patent lintel]

If I'm being honest it's not that cool. If you add it to a scream it can sound cool but that alone is pretty silly

Not saying this to put you down

[stoic basin]

It’s a inhaled technique idk what it is tho. I did it randomly one day

[patent lintel]

Yeah when I was just messing around with random noises a couple years back I came across it. You can do it exhail and add it with a scream and it sound kinda cool... I guess. It was something I never really messed around with but I bet you could make it sound great.

[stoic basin]

I am pretty sure it’s inhale epi.

[patent lintel]

cool man

[pastel forum]

I’m trying to learn how to scream better. Anyone got any tips? (I’m trying to learn fry screams, but if you have tips for gutturals or false chords, that’s fine too 👍)

[patent lintel]

Watch Kardavox Adademy and Hungry Lights videos. EVI is pretty good too

Those channels are how I was able to get my vocals to where they are currently

[pastel forum]

Ok. Thanks!

I’ve been watching people like Chris Liepe for tutorials

[meager pier]

He’s good

[patent lintel]

He's good but I haven't watched much from him

[meager pier]

But he’s more focused on cleans

He knows more about cleans than the real harsh vocals

[patent lintel]

Kardavox is really good for intermediary and advanced stuff

[pastel forum]

True. But he does do a lot of videos for harsh vocals

[patent lintel]

Yeah got some good videos with Will Ramos

[meager pier]

Yea but he specifically sticks with more cleans I wouldn’t mind watching those videos cause he goes pretty deep in explaining the basics

Cause he’s really good at explaining that stuff

[patent lintel]

cool