Guitars & Bass

[toxic wharf]

And thats bad?

[wind mauve]

currently

but i'm practicing

improving

[toxic wharf]

Nice. Good job

[wind mauve]

soon i will be unstoppable

[lethal fractal]

Sweeping is pretty easy change my mind... It's mostly mostly left hand work and a tad bit of right hand.

[wind mauve]

perhaps

in concept it's fairly simple

in practice some people may not have the same level of dexterity when they start out

[lethal fractal]

Yea just dexterity points

[wind mauve]

all my points are in sarcasm

[toxic wharf]

Yeah its easy, but since its very technique based it just takes practice to get the muscle memory right

[wind mauve]

and the leftovers are in strength

[lethal fractal]

It's just the same 4 patterns and you can break them down...

Also I'm about to get told to put my phone away, yet I don't have any work to do 0_0

[toxic wharf]

It even depends on the arpeggio's you sweep. Sometimes I have to play a sequence of shapes Im not used to and no matter how 'good' and 'clean' my sweeps tend to be...it takes practice

[lethal fractal]

Yea if you are doing inversions or really weird chords it can get interesting

[toxic wharf]

And generally now I just use hybrid and swybrid picking instead of sweeps

[lethal fractal]

I'm trying to get better at hybrid I was good at it then stopped playing fingerstyle so need to play more

[dire kayak]

i didn't delete anything, idk why they were deleted

the issue is that my pinky refuses to arch over the 1st string and mutes it when I'm making a ring finger bar

I can do bar chords just fine which is why this in particular was perplexing

and my pinky seems naturally inclined to move down a fret for some reason

I'm just curious how is your pinky when you rest your hand closed, I think mine slants in for some reason

it takes considerable effort to straighten it

[lethal fractal]

Same deal

[dire kayak]

maybe I'm just stupid then

have you access to a guitar

i still need help understanding this chord

[lethal fractal]

My thumb also does this though

[lethal fractal]

When I get home I'll see if I can send a picture of how I would do it

[dire kayak]

the issue is my pinky refuses to raise without lifting my bar

or arch

or it's like wanting to go to the 12th fret because the little shit is slanted that way

[lethal fractal]

Send a picture? I'll send how it's done once I'm home

[dire kayak]

i won't be home for like 10 hours lol

was just curious if anyone could offer more information

[lethal fractal]

I'll send a picture that's the best I could do or a vid

[dire kayak]

yeah that'd help, and absolutely no rush

[lethal fractal]

I'm walking home now... so

[toxic wharf]

Than you need to practice some pinky dexterity. Its very doable

[lethal fractal]

Shit I think I need to as well 🤣

I can do it but took me a second to figure that out.

[toxic wharf]

Theres maybe an easier way

[lethal fractal]

I am trying some other stuff, it's just a weird shape doable but just weird

[toxic wharf]

Index on 10th. Bar 12th with middle finger like a powerchord...ring finger 12th on high e and pinky on the 13th on B

[lethal fractal]

This also works muting the A string playing with the octaves, but I don't think it's easier

[toxic wharf]

Its a different chord

[lethal fractal]

Same notes

Oops wrong place for the ring

But doing it that way use the octave mute the one string then doing the rest

[open fjord]

https://www.music-man.com/instruments/guitars/rabea-massaad

Rabea Massaad's signature EBMM Sabre is out.

That price though 😰

[lethal fractal]

Not helping the string spacing on this is larger

[lethal fractal]

This is the best way.

[lethal fractal]

What song is it?

[dire kayak]

creamsicle sunset by Steve Vai, check it out i think you'll like it

[toxic wharf]

Ah yes

[dire kayak]

it's also ridiculously easy except for that one chord

[toxic wharf]

Very nice song to learn

Sisters is also very cool

Really enjoyed learning that

[dire kayak]

dont think I've heard that one I'll listen when I get a chance

[lethal fractal]

You able to get the chord now?

[dire kayak]

I'll see when I'm home

which won't be for hours

[lethal fractal]

Oh ya

[dire kayak]

anyways listen to the song, it's nice

[lethal fractal]

It is

[bronze orbit]

If I have a good cab would a orange micro dark be good?

I don’t know what Marshall cab I got but it’s pretty good

[lethal fractal]

Do you know the Ohms on your cab?

[bronze orbit]

No

[fervent fox]

Decided to get back into learning songs by ear again. I forgot how fun it can be

[lethal fractal]

Niceeee

[lethal fractal]

Send a picture of the front and back if you can?

[bronze orbit]

I’m thinking 16 based on my research

[lethal fractal]

That amp can power it says 8-16 so you might be able to use it.

[bronze orbit]

Hell yeah then I won’t have to sell my Xbox

[lethal fractal]

Make sure to order from somewhere that has a good return policy just incase as well.

[bronze orbit]

I’m gonna need my whole band to take my cab off the speaker rack we got things fucking huge

Maybe I won’t get that one because if somebody back lines of crappy cab, then I’m going to have a crappy sound

Any recommendations for one under $500

Head

[toxic wharf]

You want a amp (head) or a cab?

For under 500

[lethal fractal]

Head

[toxic wharf]

Ok, how much watt we want?

[lethal fractal]

He has a Marshall cab he said it's probably 16 Ohms
Not sure about wattage

[bronze orbit]

I play in a hardcore band

Death metal influence

Great American ghost vibes

[fervent fox]

Under $500 correct?

[toxic wharf]

So the amp is 16 ohms and the cabinet? Some cabinets have a switch or two inputs

[toxic wharf]

Yeah but how much watt you want your amp to be?

[lethal fractal]

Cab I said amp like an idiot

[toxic wharf]

Oh oke

That should be doable

[lethal fractal]

[toxic wharf]

2 speakers? 4 speakers?

[bronze orbit]

4

I’m just thinking of some thing that’s going to be good universally

Because I rather not carry the cab every show

Besides some venues are super bitchy on time over here

[fervent fox]

So you want a 2 speaker or 1 speaker cab then?

[bronze orbit]

My cab has 4

[toxic wharf]

Lol geez...Id just invest into more practical gear if you play a lot

[lethal fractal]

He's looking for an amp

[bronze orbit]

What if I got a boss katana mark 2

That’s 100 watts

$370

[toxic wharf]

What the heck im lost

[bronze orbit]

A head

[toxic wharf]

Ah oke

[lethal fractal]

Amp head

[bronze orbit]

I don’t need a cab I already got one

[toxic wharf]

No to Katana for live performance from me

[bronze orbit]

Ah

[fervent fox]

Ohhhhhh okay I see now

[toxic wharf]

Especially if you play hi gain stuff

[bronze orbit]

Yeah mostly heavy chuggy shit

[toxic wharf]

Look for a peavey or marshall secondhand maybe

Or an Engl if you can

Mesa is gonna be tough for that price

[fervent fox]

Oh god an ENGL???? Those things aren’t cheap

[toxic wharf]

They are about 2000 here..so dont know second hand price

[bronze orbit]

I always kept my fender tube amp but it’s not good live my uncle always said it would be but it wasn’t

[fervent fox]

Boss, Orange, and even the Boss Katana are good for the pricing they’re in (under $500)

[toxic wharf]

Hughes and kettner

[bronze orbit]

And now it’s humming a lot I cranked the shit out the volume

I think that’s meant for like rock music not hardcore lol

[toxic wharf]

I just wouldnt use any digital amp that isnt a proper modeller

[toxic wharf]

Uhm try the tubemeister

[bronze orbit]

I bought a DI box so I could run a digital setup but I’m worried about the practicality with that

Some venues like DIY venues don’t like digital which is silly

[toxic wharf]

Cause they dont understand how to run the cabling. Other than that its just the same for FOH

[bronze orbit]

It’s easy af lol

[toxic wharf]

Just make sure you dont bug em with the set up

[fervent fox]

Usually means their sound guy doesn’t know what he’s doing if that’s the case lol

[toxic wharf]

Yeah

[bronze orbit]

So should I just say fuck it and run with the digital setup

It did work the one gig I used with it

[toxic wharf]

Most venues love bands showing up with their quad cortex or fractal

[fervent fox]

^ bingo

[toxic wharf]

Depends on your digital set up

[toxic wharf]

Ah yes, so...the problem I see occuring for live settings like that is latency

If your sound source is a plugin from the laptop

Its possible and tone wise its great but its not super convenient

[bronze orbit]

Yeah true

I want the head more as a backup tbh

[toxic wharf]

I think if thats the case its better to save. Dont even need to be that much but for about 800 you open a lot of options

[bronze orbit]

Maybe just bring my fender as a backup and they mic it up or maybe I can contact the venues sound guy and ask about my setup before hand

[toxic wharf]

Yeah you can always inform about the backline

Perhaps you can get a digitech gsp1101 somewhere for cheap. With the community updates its a pretty good digital modeller

Shouldnt cost you more than 300 nowadays if you can find it

[bronze orbit]

What that do

Is it like a coretex

[toxic wharf]

Not really

Its more a digital processor with digitalized amp modellers, not a profiler like a quad cortex

Its more like a line 6 helix or a fractal

But older and not as good.

[bronze orbit]

Ah

[gray ermine]

Brand new EHB1005MS

[dire kayak]

looks expensive

[wind mauve]

looks tasty

[dire kayak]

i wonder what the body tastes like

[toxic wharf]

Great color

[lethal fractal]

Very very nice

[gray ermine]

Chicken

[lethal fractal]

Raw, cooked, seasoned if so with what, smoked?

[gray ermine]

Smoked over american basswood

[open fjord]

https://youtu.be/aBm0FOGnPvM?si=4PsugHc6AtujC345

[gritty garden]

Syn gates?

[gritty garden]

Music Mans do make people's wallets cry

[lethal fractal]

Had to look up who you where referring to, never really listened at all.

[open fjord]

FamilyJules? John Browne? Aaron Marshall?

[gritty garden]

Fair enough he's the main person that got people into Schecter with his signature model and being in Avenged

[lethal fractal]

Aaron yes

[lethal fractal]

Other two no, the john sig has a similar name to me though

[open fjord]

What about Dan Donegan and Keith Merrow?

[wind mauve]

that has to be a made up name theres no way

[open fjord]

Dan Donegan is Disturbed's guitarist, and Keith Merrow is a fuckin legendary YouTube metal guitarist, one of the OGs.

[lethal fractal]

No and no

[open fjord]

RIP.

[lethal fractal]

Cant really get me to like schecter at all... The other musicans who use them aslo tend to not listen much.

[open fjord]

Okay okay, I got one more....Nick Johnston.

[lethal fractal]

Do not listen much but appreciate the work

[open fjord]

Damn

[lethal fractal]

I dont listen to much nowadays just a few artists they will come and go but i find my place for now

found

[lethal fractal]

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6BHvHZmGbI1DJepfLQhKml?si=2f4fee7187be4f81

This is all i listen to now

[open fjord]

You has Arch Echo in your playlist. Based.

[lethal fractal]

Where?

[lethal fractal]

I do not believe I do I usually am good with knowing whats on my lists.

[lethal fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-what-where-why-how-gif-11254825541557537884

Don't just leave me here WHERE

@open fjord???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[open fjord]

Woops sorry lol. Was in class, I mistook it. It was actually in your recommendations based on the playlist.

[lethal fractal]

[open fjord]

I'd recommend Arch Echo though. They proggy bois with Adam Bentley in it.

[lethal fractal]

I do sorta like their sound just not used to it yet

[open fjord]

They're like DT mixed with Plini and a tiny bit of Intervals.

[lethal fractal]

Yea, I looked them up after you mentioned. I'll keep listening see if I get into them

[wind mauve]

that is the kinda name the disturbed guitarist would have

alright fair's fair you win this round

[open fjord]

I also recommend Earthside if you haven't heard them already.

[open fjord]

Haha! Point for Chao!

[lethal fractal]

Something I've been waiting around for

I go to movies now later

[open fjord]

Peace

[lethal fractal]

Well we are the only two in here so we might have gotten a theater to ourselves

[open fjord]

Oh shit niceeee

[lethal fractal]

Damn for good reason this movie is mega fucked up

[dry parrot]

worked well

hadnt thought of using the ring on the first string making a bar w/middle finger

[lethal fractal]

Thanks to Don and some other guys I was talking to it was concluded to be the best

[wind mauve]

whatchu watchin nephew

[lethal fractal]

The first omen

[wind mauve]

hm

havent heard of that

[lethal fractal]

It's new...

[wind mauve]

any good?

[lethal fractal]

I personally enjoyed it a good bit

[wind mauve]

horror i assume

[lethal fractal]

Yea something like that

[wind mauve]

word i'll keep it in mind

[lethal fractal]

Good idea seems like it's going to have more to the story come out

[dry parrot]

i bought a 7 string thinking it would be enough but now its not enough

i need another string

mostly just the one note

[dry parrot]

im in between 300 different songs right now, of these which should i commit to and eventually cover:
creamsicle sunset - vai
silvera - gojira
5th caprice - also vai i think
tornado of souls - megadeth

just looking for opinions

[toxic wharf]

Pretty cool list. My opinion would be creamsicle sunset first and subject it to some theoretical analysis as well. It works through several inversions of some very stamdard chords amd it will significantly extend your vocabulary

Tornado of souls is great as a technical exercise. A very decent picking hand workout and the solo is of course great for fretting hand dexterity and overall gaining insight on how to build up a great shredding solo

I love Gojira, but Silvera doesnt have a lot to make you a better player. Thats how I generally go about determining my time investment

[lethal fractal]

Add a high string, or get a pitch shifter.

[silk wren]

A local pawnshop has a Ibanez SHRG1Z that they say is a not working guitar but it is only selling for $100 and I’m pretty sure it’s that like $20,000 guitar bernth has and if I remember right, the pick up Scott swapped for Fishman fluence moderns so should I buy it because there is a good chance the battery on the inside is dead and that’s why it is “not functioning”

[lethal fractal]

Buy it and fix it?

Don't waste time telling us haha, go grab that thing.

[silk wren]

They open in two hours and I’m taking it to my local luthier to see if anything is wrong internally

[lethal fractal]

It could just need new pots... I mean $100 either way isn't a lot. Check the serial number make sure it's real, if it is buy it.

[lethal fractal]

Great idea

[silk wren]

If anything is wrong, he has two rooms of storage in his house, strictly for guitar parts

[silk wren]

Good point even if it isn’t real, though I’m still keeping it for myself

[lethal fractal]

Yep, I wish you could bring it to the shop I work at, I'd love to see it.

[lethal fractal]

Fair enough

That's super cool find though

[silk wren]

I had the opportunity just to feel the neck and stuff, and it is definitely a very thin C with what I can only describe as a flattened part that follows where your thumb should go if you’re not using the Hendrix grip

[lethal fractal]

Yea I like the wizard necks... To bad it doesn't have the original pickups as well hopefully they didn't route a battery slot into it for them.

[dire kayak]

once there was a great deal I saw on an Ibanez jem then realized it was fake and didn't get it

[lethal fractal]

Yep, lots of fakes

I could probably make a decent looking fake in a week or so with my friends paint and wood shops.

[wind mauve]

if you make a fake can you make it chocolate on the inside

i need dessert

[dire kayak]

chocolate filled guitars because we're tired of eating plain ones

when im older and have money I'll make a more easily edible guitar

[lethal fractal]

Cooking and charing the wood you can most definitely just eat the carbon

[silk wren]

Update: the hidden 9v battery was dead and it’s fully functioning, the pickups are the fishman fluence Scott Lepage custom series, and it is the real deal just I never saw the finish in any of the photos

[lethal fractal]

You buy it?

[silk wren]

Yes

[lethal fractal]

Nice

[silk wren]

I left it at my friend James the luthier’s house for him to give it a set up and refret everything past the 6th because they got a little bit fucked

[lethal fractal]

Nice

[silk wren]

It’s not with me so I can’t take a photo right now, but this is what they had posted online

[dire kayak]

I'm incredibly happy for you and jealous at the same time

[bronze orbit]

Finally took down the Marshall and uh I’m confused it’s a older model I believe

I’m confused cause I thought you’d have to plug it into a outlet

[dry parrot]

silvera for me is practicing tapping

i share a similar idea of learning songs to improve as a guitarist

[bronze orbit]

Do cabs not need power? I never had a cab

[dry parrot]

the power comes from the amp

also my tone for heavy shit, knocked loose in paritcular, got a lot better suddenly just by adding new heavier strings and using a 2.0 pick

just find out whether your cab is 8 or 16 ohms so you dont blow somthing up

[dry parrot]

but tbh it took 5 minutes and i already almost have it down

im just trying to learn to tap with the pick

[open fjord]

A cab needs a load. That load comes ohms and pretty much if your cab doesn't have that, then it's not gonna work properly.

That's why frfr cabs are so nice. Because you can plug in your computer or modeller of choice and not have to worry about that.

[lethal fractal]

His is supposedly 16 Ohms he had mentioned so just needs an amp to drive that.

Nevermind what I said I just saw the video

[bronze orbit]

So I need one that’s 4 ohms or 16?

And I was asking before dose it not plug into like the wall does the head just drive all the power to it?

[lethal fractal]

I will answer in the morning if no one else has. My meds are wearing off and I'm acting really really stupid so I don't want to day anything dumber.

[bronze orbit]

I’m a noob when it comes to gear lol been using di most my guitar playing

[lethal fractal]

We all got to start somewhere :)

[toxic wharf]

Nice, its a cool song either way.

[lethal fractal]

As in using the plectrum to tap the string or hiding the pick to tap and hybrid pick?

[toxic wharf]

For Silvera its the first option

[lethal fractal]

👍

[bright latch]

https://youtu.be/_fMF7i2SiqY?feature=shared

What tuning are they using?

[bronze orbit]

I’m thinking about selling my twin reverb fender even though it was handed down to me so it seems fucked up but i really rather have like a peavy 5150 or something’s twin reverb isn’t made for deathcore / slam beatdown shit

But it seems a little shitty if I sell it

[toxic wharf]

I mean...its 'just' a fender twin

[south hare]

Who gave it to you/passed ot down?

[bronze orbit]

My uncle

Feels shitty mostly cause he passed so I feel like it’s like wrong to sell something that was kinda his

[feral hound]

im thinking about buying pedals. Which one should be first? Im playing metal/deathcore btw and i have a shitty amp

[toxic wharf]

Id buy a shitty pedal to match the shitty amp

[wind mauve]

multivoicer

trust

chorus maybe

[lethal fractal]

Quad cortex
Depends what you want to do, if you want any midi controllers will pedals digital... so many things to think about with pedals.
I'd say start with a noise gate, distortion and some sort of maybe EQ.
But first looking to get a good amp and cab, or setting up a rack.

[south hare]

Are you selling it to get money for something else or just to get rid of it?

[bronze orbit]

For money towards a peavey

[open fjord]

https://youtu.be/lc_mgQjDvAA?si=xK0k3avpGdpf1RKF

[bright latch]

What tuning is 3:47

[lethal fractal]

Doesn't matter much gotta just play the right notes...

As long as you can play the lowest and the highest note then you can play it, just need to find the notes.

[bright latch]

I am asking because I wanna experiment with what tuning she’s playing in

[lethal fractal]

Ah... I mean they are just playing mostly power chords on the bottom 3 strings from the sounds of things who knows what tuning, could be just D or E standard

[south hare]

If you were to sell it maybe sell it to family? Could there be people that want to learn guitar?

[south hare]

And if not maybe suggest they do

[balmy vortex]

drop d probably

[bright latch]

It was would be easier if she made tabs for it. It sounds sick

[balmy vortex]

just got a stroke from reading that. no offense

[bright latch]

Oof

I am basically partially tone deaf. Like I can tell if notes are higher or lower but I can’t sing

[balmy vortex]

it was the "was would be easier if she" that part aint making sense and i dont remember fluff identifying as female either
you're good tho

[bright latch]

I am talking about the artist not talking about Fluff

[bright latch]

Her

[balmy vortex]

oh different vid, muh bad

drop c or drop B

[wind mauve]

question for y'all: when it comes to baritone guitars, does tuning lower need a longer scale length than it would for standard guitars?

i.e. my buddy in my band is looking at a baritone jackson with a 26.5" scale, if he tunes to drop G to match my guitar will it be fine or does it need longer than that cause it's a baritone

[lethal fractal]

It's just a tension game... you could get drop G on a 26.5 just fine with the right strings. It depends how thick he wants his strings and what the tension will be.

[wind mauve]

yee i think

it's hard to put into words but my concern is like

with a standard 7 string guitar, with 25.5" scale length drop g becomes muddy because the scale length is short
but with a baritone 7 string, the scale length is longer naturally, so my question is does that mean that you'd have to get an even longer baritone 7 to account for a low tuning?

or am i overthinking

[lethal fractal]

The 26.5 will work with like a 70 gauge string for the low G

27 or 27.5 or even 28 would be the best, though.

[wind mauve]

hm

well it is a $200 USD baritone jackson

so like

we work with what we got

[dire kayak]

where is it

I need a cheap baritone eventually just to experiment

[wind mauve]

i dunno

some local guitar store in the guy's city

[waxen ingot]

Cancer by the devil wears prada (yes ik i need a new cable)

And yes its recorded on my phone

[gritty garden]

A cab is just a speaker at the end of the day so the head/power amp drives the power to it via the speaker cable

[gritty garden]

LMAO I usually spam Quad Cortex just because

Most people asking for an opinion will only listen to the answer that confirms to their bias therefore will disregard 99% of good advice. So why waste time.

🤣

[lethal fractal]

Hehe ya, you mentioned that. Me being in the DSP server constantly now as well is improving my views on pedals and a lot of really nerdy aspects of things...

[gritty garden]

I don't participate much in there. Only when I thought I had an issue with my QC and they were like bro, don't turn your power amp on until the QC has fully booted up.

[lethal fractal]

I've enjoyed it goof for asking questions lots of information I have foudn

Some of the guys are nut heads though

[gritty garden]

Get deep enough into a community and you're bound to find them

Hence why I float now instead of getting bogged down in things

[wind mauve]

actually im a bolthead

no nuts here

[lethal fractal]

For sure, I tend to just ignore them or not give in... The ones I do talk to tend to be very knowledgeable.

[bronze orbit]

Makes sense

Now to sell my kidney for a good head

Or hope my digital setup will be enough for now

[open fjord]

Then there's Xander Raymond Charles with his 30 inch baritone Squire Jazzmaster.

[lethal fractal]

Well yes

[lethal fractal]

My pickup has been shipped as of yesterday

[open fjord]

https://youtu.be/mqshdV73pWY?si=ibKqY4B8vc1HU6oF

[bronze orbit]

I’ve now been in my band for a whole year and Sunday is our fourth show and next week we got another and we finally are coming out with merch and gonna be recording music!

[lethal fractal]

Nice have fun

[gray ermine]

Home made 8 string

[lethal fractal]

How are those pickups? Is that the Bexgear kit or something else?

Enjoy

[toxic wharf]

Ive been playing through Neurals Tone King and Morgan for a while...probably best sounding amp plugins ever made.

[graceful socket]

Okay, quick question: Am I the only one who´s been having issues with their focusrite interface recently? Since like a week or so whenever I open my NDSP plugins, it refuses to aknowledge the focusrite and no matter what doesnt want to register it as the input device until it sometimes at some point does....

shit´s annoying af

[lethal fractal]

All your drivers up to date?

[graceful socket]

as far as I know, yeah, should be

[toxic wharf]

Issue with usb cable?

[gray ermine]

It is bexgear, and the pickups sound fine, neck came pre finished too, only issues is the screw holes arnt deep enough so you have to re drill them

[lethal fractal]

Nice

[lethal fractal]

Think nameless X is any good?

[toxic wharf]

Thats just the old Nameless with some of the new features right?

[lethal fractal]

I haven't looked if they changed any amps yet

[toxic wharf]

So than I can say its alright. Just another high gain amp which is completely useless if you already have Nolly for instance

[toxic wharf]

Well...its based on the Fortin Nameless so I dont think they change amps 😂

[lethal fractal]

Probably not but tweaks sometimes happen.

[toxic wharf]

So its the blackout (nameless) amp

[lethal fractal]

Cool

I just want nolly X

[toxic wharf]

I just want something completely new from Neural DSP.

Most of the archetypes, outside of some gimmicks are too similar

[gray ermine]

Whats the one amp sim with jim roots tone

Its one of my favorites

[toxic wharf]

Granophyre? Or maybe thats the other Slipknot bloke. So I dont know

[gray ermine]

Yess

Really good cleans throught it, pretty decent distortion

[toxic wharf]

Nameless, Granophyre, Nolly, Fortin Cali....almost enirelt interchangeable lol

Granophyre barely has cleans

So maybe its another?

[gray ermine]

Nono

If you dump enough you can get a clean

[toxic wharf]

Yeah, but than I prefer to use an actual clean sound myself.

[gray ermine]

I guess

[toxic wharf]

Or an amp with proper break up

Like the 2nd amp from Plini or Tone King

[gray ermine]

Ohh

[toxic wharf]

Since I have Nolly I dont use any of the high gain suites

[gray ermine]

I only use NDSP sometimes since i record with a mic and an amp

[toxic wharf]

Ah yeah, I dont use an amp for recording, tho I think its actually still a nicer way to go

[gray ermine]

So usually i end up just using my EPB

[little gale]

@gritty garden im debating getting one of these or all three

[gritty garden]

Only one that stands out to me is the pink one

If I were to get a V shape guitar it would be the Arrow series from ESP.

[little gale]

i've been going on an off with V's and I wanna take the plunge that's mainly why that's there

The Arrow's felt too bulky last time I tried them but its been a while i'll look into them

[lethal fractal]

Pink as well

I hate explorers and Vs

[dire kayak]

personally I like the v or pink

[wind mauve]

alright im gonna be contrarian

the explorer shape is cool

get it

🫵

[toxic wharf]

I also think the explorer in combination with that headstock looks quite good

Not big on V's

[lethal fractal]

I have found the only explorer I like the look of

This thing

[lethal fractal]

https://youtu.be/9G6SwZT4LlU?si=XwIqMPXiITaLWxXZ

[wind mauve]

guy plays better than me blindfolded

[wind mauve]

feel like i've lost the plot somewhere

i still want one of those pedals tho

for the meme

[lethal fractal]

Ikr haha

[wind mauve]

any takers

i want to make a pun about the pickup but i got nothin

[dire kayak]

new amp today yippee

[gray ermine]

Concert day

[dry parrot]

hey i got a question for knowledgeable people

so this head says its outputting 4 ohms into the cab

but on peaveys site it says the cab is 16 ohms

i wanna put my orange head into the peavey cab, but i dont wanna blow up the peavey cab bc the orange outputs 8 or 16

[lethal fractal]

I'm having an absolute stroke reading this...
So the cab is rated for 16 ohms and you are "underpowering" it with a 4 ohm head if anything it comes down to impedance as I don't think it's SS?
Typically just match the amp and cab ohms, just don't go over the 16 ohms.

Just check to make sure the impedance and power outputs are compatible

[dry parrot]

the amp came with the cab plugged in at 4 ohms

and theres a big mark with red sharpie on the amp on the 4 ohms part of the switch

rn if i turn the volume up to 2 you can hear it throughout the house

[dry parrot]

but the website says the cab is 16 ohms

its the peavey windsor if that helps

[toxic wharf]

Rule is: higher ohm amp into lower ohm cab = a problem. Vice versa isnt

You can select impedence to 16 ohm

[gritty garden]

The stock cabinet may in fact be 16 ohms, but what I'd be worried about is if the previous owner swapped out the old speakers in the cabinet. So check those BEFORE changing the inpedance select on the amp head.

[primal parrot]

Does anyone know what tuning Stephen Carpenter uses for “Be quiet and drive” on his seven string live? On a six string it’s drop C# but I don’t think he plays double drop C# on the seven

[gritty garden]

Is it not mentioned on the play through on his channel?

[primal parrot]

Not what i can see atleast

though it looks like he plays it the same ways as you would on a six

[dire kayak]

that's what I figure

later today I'll open the back and see what's inside

[dire kayak]

but also like I said, with the volume above 1.5-2, it hurts my ears bc it's so loud

so idk if it can take any more ohms

[lethal fractal]

Then why bother? Thinking about boosting the impedance

[gritty garden]

This is why for most home settings, without an attenuator 100W Valve Amps are not really feasible 🤣

[lethal fractal]

Yep

I mean I have a 20W tube combo and it blows out so much volume

I got no idea why it's so loud but it kicks

[gritty garden]

Well the amount of watts listed is the clean headroom

🤣

[lethal fractal]

Great live for small venues

[lethal fractal]

Yes... Just I have played the same amp but the 50W and it was much softer, I think my buddy played with it but not sure

[open fjord]

https://youtu.be/fVw-k5xtq_k?si=G_ZQBEUcF-7qb6rS

[lethal fractal]

This about magnetic pickups?

[open fjord]

Nah. Wiring harnesses.

[dire kayak]

what's an attenuator

idk anything abt all this that's why I'm asking here

[dire kayak]

how would I boost the impedance of the speakers

[lethal fractal]

Idk I'm not talking about your speakers

What you bought isn't any use for bedroom playing, will be good for if you ever gig.

[gritty garden]

Basically it's a load box so it takes 100% of the load from the amp head, so you can drive it at max or where it needs to be, but then it scales that volume down to the cabinet.

So basically a fancy Master Volume switch

That allows you to drive the tubes of the pre and power amp in the head, but then you can control the volume of it

An example of some https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkMgQbcTOM8

[lethal fractal]

I love the two notes system

[toxic wharf]

For home use, 5 watt tube amps are even quite loud

[lethal fractal]

Yea

[dire kayak]

it still sounds fine, and I can get louder volumes without much complaint from family. i was wanting to put the head from my orange combo into the 4x12

but that puts 8-16 ohms

can't do 4

[lethal fractal]

Yep, well doesn't hurt to try

[dire kayak]

if the cab is 4 I could blow something up though right

the speaker the orange currently has is a 16ohm 60 watt speaker

but it can do down to 8

[lethal fractal]

You said the cab was 16, as phrost said just check if it's the original speakers

[dire kayak]

yeah that's what the website says, I'll check when I'm home from church

sidenote I said I don't wanna go to church and my parents make me go anyways

[lethal fractal]

It should be fine I don't expect if someone was to tinker with it to drop it down to something super low, as well if so you can get new cones and all that

[gritty garden]

One reason why if I was getting a head I'd get a Rockerverb as last time I checked it was one of the few amps that came with an in built attenuator.

[lethal fractal]

That seems neat

[wind mauve]

wish i could… nevermind

im going to not be silly today

[gritty garden]

Hence why I got a QC, was more user friendly and a lot more portable especially if taking me guitar places.

[gray ermine]

Anyone have advice for how to get a really good modern metal tone with ndsp nolly? It sounds ok but i feel like i can do better

[lethal fractal]

Yea, the QC and what they are doing is super impressive

[open fjord]

Since they're doing all the X plugins, they'll be transferable to the QC soon.

[lethal fractal]

Yep

[open fjord]

Currently I believe Plini X is the only one who has that function turned on.

[lethal fractal]

With the new update that should be coming soon I think they have been talking about the addition of more

[open fjord]

Possibly, especially with the release of Nameless X and soon Soldano X which they said would be coming this year too.

[lethal fractal]

I don't keep up with the QC as I don't own one yet... Just the plugins

[lethal fractal]

Yea

[open fjord]

I wish I had a QC, but I got a lot of gear to sell currently and sadly, it's a bit of a buyers market atm.

[lethal fractal]

It sure is

[open fjord]

Plus my Blackstar needs to be fixed before I can do anything with it.

[lethal fractal]

I plan to get a QC once I can start playing live so hopefully soon for small bar gigs.
Then going to build a board around the QC

[open fjord]

I've basically given up playing live. My band had the opportunity long ago and they missed it.

Plus living in NY, not exactly the best place for it. Plus my band has long since broken up and while we're still close friends. We all listen to different things now and have our own lives.

[lethal fractal]

I'm currently looking to just play with bands that want another person for gigs

[lethal fractal]

Ah ya that's hard

[open fjord]

Yeah. There ARE venues and I do miss playing with other people. But at the same time I have no desire to deal with band politics ever again.

I'm basically just a gremlin at this point with a guitar who does dumbass recordings lololol.

[lethal fractal]

I'm waiting till college, rather get whipped with guitar strings then try to manage a band with high-schooler stoners and bumms.

[lethal fractal]

That's great

[open fjord]

That's the thing. Our band weren't stoners or bums or anything.

I'll put it this way. I'm not a lead boi. I'm a riffy boi. But I used to be really bad back then and I brought in other members to make up the difference because I was musically a little stunted. Unfortunately that didn't go too well and the great thing we had with three members became a headache with others.

I brought in a lead guitarist, and a keyboardist/singer (who left a few months later). So we still had no singer and by that time, when we did find one, we became a revolving door of bassists, because our og one left.

[lethal fractal]

:
Yea it's such a hard thing to balance out and get perfect sucks that happened for you guys.
I'm am just doing online band stuff as it's the easiest for now hope to play live someday with a solid band.

[open fjord]

Yeah. I am still musically a little stunted, but my playing is so much better than it was.

I wish ya the best with online band stuff! That's gotta be even harder.

[lethal fractal]

It's funny my grade 5 band was the most organized and solid sounding band I've ever been in

We practiced 3 times a week for like 6 hours it was a really cool Ska band

[open fjord]

You know what's even weirder. I was in the same band from Grade 7 til my senior year in HS. Me and the drummer were the only consistent members lololol.

[lethal fractal]

I find it personally a lot easier we can just record and send files online and build that way... That's why we practice, I took a listen to your little clip it sounded good.

[lethal fractal]

I always find drummers are pretty consistent

The band I had was great went for 2 years but then people started moving it was a 9 person band so not to surprised it didn't work out at that younge age but we performed a lot

[open fjord]

Thanks! When the double kick comes in, that part is hard.

[lethal fractal]

It sure is

[open fjord]

I meant like hard to play cuz of how fast I gotta alternate pick.

Plus there's those two notes played on the D string with the chugs on the low E that are downpicked. I did not make it easy for myself lol.

[lethal fractal]

Oh

Still sounds good 👍

[open fjord]

Thanks!

I showed it to one of my friends that doesn't listen to metal and he was like "damn how pissed off were you?" I told him I wasn't, I was having fun.

Embodying Nik's Motto of doing Fun Metal Things xD

[lethal fractal]

You know you are doing something right when people think the music sounds pissed

[open fjord]

Hell yeah!

Btw I grew up in the era of Nu Metal and Pop Punk so Riffs for me are life.

Give me a big ass bouncy riff and I'm happy.

[lethal fractal]

This is something I messed around with thoughts on it? I now just daily will mess around with it finding new ways to use it.

[open fjord]

I like it. It's got a bit of a pop punk start and then goes full 80s with it which is kinda cool.

[lethal fractal]

Yea it was some fun bored riff, I found I like it better with way less gain

[open fjord]

It's cuz u have more clarity. More gain means you have less clarity and some more control.

[lethal fractal]

Yea for sure, there is one tone I found and I want to figure out how to get it. I'll find the video

[lethal fractal]

https://youtu.be/7Bg_peuT41U?si=-vjg80EOXs-xZcFG

I really like this sorta tone

It's got plenty of gain but sounds so shiny

[open fjord]

Well for one, the Polymath is not a high output pickup, it's a less hot than you think. In speaking with Nolly (yes I've spoken with Nolly over forums before), the Polymath is very smooth and more polite than BKPs other pickups, even compared to Rabea's pickup the Silo which Nolly had a hand in making. But that's what makes it a great all rounder.

The 2nd thing is messing with IRs. Find the one that is best suited for what your looking for. The amp also helps too. Finally that probs has a lot of post processing going on.

[lethal fractal]

Oh so much most post processing.
once I get my polymath (maybe 3 more days till it gets here) I'm going to be trying to get that exact tone with plugins... I need to play with more IRs I haven't gotten to it at all

I'm so excited to try out a BKP in general and the polymath just mm

[open fjord]

You're getting polymaths? Niceeee. I got Cold Sweats. Haven't put em in yet.

[lethal fractal]

Just a single polymath, for the bridge in my Start. Probably getting reabes singles for the middle and neck

[open fjord]

Oh the Triptychs?

[lethal fractal]

Yea

I think that's what I will do, but I might do something more modern and less dynamic I'm not sure yet

[open fjord]

The Triptychs are nice cuz they have a copper plate on the bottom of them that boosts the signal on them and makes them louder without making them hotter and losing dynamic range.

[lethal fractal]

Yea, just not sure if I want the dynamics or not yet, lots of thinking

[bronze orbit]

My digital setup worked!

I setup my laptop on one of the bands cab setup my interface into the di box into the pa and guitar into the interface

And it sounded pretty good

[bronze orbit]

I think I could’ve been a bit louder but it’s fine

[dire kayak]

this is the wiring on the cab

I got it with an amp with red sharpie marking 4ohms, I assume it should stay there

but idk anything abt wiring

is this cab 16ohms or 4

there may be minor issues on my diagram idk

orange is white wire

rest of the colors accurate to the cab

should I change the amp impedance to 16 or leave it at 4

and is it safe to put my orange which says 8 or 16 or 2x16 into it

that amp currently has a 1x16ohm

[wind mauve]

Parallax X and Nolly X are next, Gojira X and Plini X added to QC

[lethal fractal]

Yep, super awesome new, as well with SLO X man it's amazing

[wind mauve]

nolly x will be nice

[lethal fractal]

Yep, that's game over I'll be happy

I already got my plugins for all my needs now just need a few X updates

[wind mauve]

maybe they'll finally add presets to it

not that i need them at this point

i've got two decent rhythm tones and a great lead tone

[lethal fractal]

Yea

[wind mauve]

pitch shifter is whatever, glad it's there but don't want to use it

doubler can be useful unless im playing songs that have different L/R rhythms like trivium does

[lethal fractal]

It's nice for E standard to D standard but yea

I like +12 semitones and make random sounds haha

Really dirty palm muting pitched up with delay and shimmer reverb sounds very neat.

[wind mauve]

if i knew how to use automation i could probably vildhjarta the fuck outta it

[lethal fractal]

Haha ya, I plan to do that some day

[wind mauve]

still a lil loopy after that guy compared one of my demos to mirar

but now i wanna try and make some dumbass thall song because a small part of my brain gets tickled funny when the noises

[dire kayak]

anyone help

[wind mauve]

wish i knew buddy

[lethal fractal]

That's up to you, why not try it see what it's like if you don't like it you can just change it

[dire kayak]

idk I don't wanna fry anything

im too poor for repairs

[lethal fractal]

Well if everything is stock you will be fine, if something breaks you can send them an email saying they made garbage and need to fix it

[dire kayak]

i got both used

i was just wondering if someone could figure out the wiring

to find the ohms it has

[lethal fractal]

Seems like they are 16 ohms so you should be good, from that end, unless any other circuits where messed with

[dire kayak]

you're right maybe the amp was modified

I've heard of mods for the Windsor

[lethal fractal]

Do you know the rated power per speaker?

[dire kayak]

wdym

wattage?

they're all 16 impedance

I'd have to do research for wattage

[lethal fractal]

Yes

[lethal fractal]

You should be fine

[dire kayak]

ill search, it's the Peavey supreme xl

[lethal fractal]

Just run it at 8 if that's fine then 16

I don't see it not being able to handle your amp with what you have noted

I don't think they would sell them together if they don't work together

[dire kayak]

ok

another concern

the volume is ridiculous above 2 rn

will putting 16 fromcthe amp worsen that

[lethal fractal]

That goes back to what phrost was talking about

[dire kayak]

I can find an ok volume, but does higher impedance mean higher volume

[lethal fractal]

There shouldn't be any real change it's mostly tonal

[dire kayak]

ok

the cab is probably 100w

so the 60w orange is probably also ok

[lethal fractal]

The orange will be perfectly fine

If it is a lot louder you can just turn it off and change it back

Just run tests whole fun of it

Try the orange see if you like it, I like orange amps I usually run one into a two notes system

[toxic wharf]

No

[dry parrot]

my parents were away for a bit and i was able to crank the volume for fun

my ears are ringing a bit but that shit was fun asf

worth being deaf

[lethal fractal]

No ear pro?

I usually crank my stuff and wear ear pro as it's fun to feel it all.

[dry parrot]

im not cranking it that high

[lethal fractal]

Gotta crank it over at least halfway when you are home alone

[dry parrot]

i mean my sister was here so...

if its way too loud she'll complain

[lethal fractal]

Oh :/

[dry parrot]

but i cant get it much louder than my parents let me without complaining

basically

their bedroom is adjacent to mine

and they hang out there, watch tv and stuff a lot

my sisters room is down the hall

so she hears it less than them

[lethal fractal]

Yea

Well have fun when you get to properly use that setup

[gritty garden]

Looks like it's wired Series-Parallel so 16 Ohms should be fine. I'm not an expert though, just what I could deduce from quick searches online. If you know a guitar/amp tech in the area then I'd ask them to take a look to be 100% sure.

https://www.harmonycentral.com/articles/guitar-and-bass-amps/guitar-speaker-cabinet-wiring-r438/

[dire kayak]

alr ty

[dire kayak]

yeah I looked through this, rewrote it down to match the context of my cab and it's the same

used different colors for wires but same idea

[open fjord]

https://youtu.be/AS50HWCxfmE?si=2hAFwYKXvMia0TpP

[hardy ridge]

Sorry im new to the discord, is this the right place to ask questions about learning to do certain things on the guitar?

[lethal fractal]

Yep this channel can be suited for that sort of discussion. What are you wondering?

[hardy ridge]

I picked up guitar this year and im having some trouble learning how to pinch harmonic, specifically im having issues finding a good visual representation of how to do one

i was hoping someone had either a short video with how to do it or a link to one

[lethal fractal]

I had a good feeling this would be the question it is a hard technique to get at first.

I will send you some vidoes that I personally have found helpful.

https://youtu.be/4sDZ4PAyDHs?si=dLsR6YYwfiMVWMp0

https://youtu.be/y17THWYUpUw?si=M5FzJlsQL0lm30mZ

I personally found those two videos to be helpful, as well make sure to have a higher gain levels to help achieve them.

[lethal fractal]

If neither of those videos are helpful feel free to ping me.

[hardy ridge]

thank you ill check them out

Ok, the videos are quite helpful, my household is asleep at the moment and my wife would divorce me if i hooked up the amp, so ill try to tomorrow lol

[lethal fractal]

Haha fair enough, Goodluck have fun.

[open fjord]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpW5FVR5MSc

Spoiler Alert, it's the Adam Jones signature.

[dire kayak]

should I take a break from big complex songs like cliffs of dover and ynwgie for simple enjoyable riffs

[lethal fractal]

Yes and no do both and lots of practical practice

[dire kayak]

see the issue is most days I haven't got more than an hour to practice

[lethal fractal]

Make a routine

[dire kayak]

been working on that slowly

gotta find one that works for where I am

[toxic wharf]

Depends what you are trying to learn and if you are enjoying.

Generally for covers enjoyment is what matters as its not full fledged practice which tends to be a bit boring and therefore has to be efficient

[gritty garden]

Make a routine that splits them out to target multiple things e.g.
Warmup
Exercises
Existing Songs
New Song

[hardy ridge]

@lethal fractal I got it a few times, its inconsistent at the moment but its a WiP

[lethal fractal]

Amazing, that's how we all start it's hard to get it consistent at the beginning but you will learn where it rings out the best

[open fjord]

https://youtu.be/gH-FNE99NEg?si=mVu0iAsDcl97TEn6

[scenic dune]

Goofin

[blissful raptor]

would notttt be mad if anyone decided to cover wrath upon ourselves and upload it to yt

[open fjord]

https://youtu.be/UUd1CBHBcRo?si=ZHJW1cQDXdJ5QT0_

[tawny rapids]

NGD! Ormsby Hype 6 GTR. Been my dream for 3 years 😄

All it needs is a pickup swap and proper setup for Drop F# (blegh)

I think a 27.8" scale length and mammoth slinkys can take it

[tawny rapids]

Also this makes me legit sad because I go to my local one all the time

[dry parrot]

my amp sounds much happier and less on the verge of exploding now that ive fixed the impedance to 16 ohms

instead of 4

[open fjord]

Indeed...going to your local guitar store, whatever it may be, is always a treat because you actually get to try the guitar you wanna get.

[tawny rapids]

Or discover and try new guitars in most cases

[open fjord]

Yeah. THough Kyle did make a point to say there probably will be a rise in smaller mom and pop stores since the big guys like Sam Ash and Guitar Center are failing.

[tawny rapids]

I have seen and bought from LOTS of smaller stores on Reverb

[open fjord]

Yeah. There will probably be more. It just kinda sucks for me cuz I live in NY, so there aren't very many of them if at all.

Specifically NYC, which sucks even harder.

Thank god not in Manhattan though lol.

[tawny rapids]

Yeah I'm in CT. Sam Ash is the only store in a 50 mile radius besides an alright store in town that can still give me good setups and repairs but not a quarter of the inventory.

[tawny rapids]

Yipee, two guitar centers!

I did go to one for the first time before a concert at MSG, cool platinum room stuff but they treat their gear like shit.

And anything "new" is very good at best because you can bet at least 10 people a day play it

[open fjord]

The one on 14th in Manhattan right?

[tawny rapids]

Yeah

They had a cool Schecter in a grey with red burst

I forget the model name but its a real limited one

like 3-4k

still if I bought it from em I'd go somewhere else for a setup

[open fjord]

Yeah. All the guitars I've bought and kept were ironically, from Sam Ash.

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

Mostly because GC don't setup their guitars too well, and when they do it's either a fluke, I'm tired and I wanna try a guitar, or I'm high asf.

Which has only happened twice with the third one lol.

[toxic wharf]

I just played an Ibanez prestige AZ and now I might buy one

[dry parrot]

ive gotten 2 guitars from gc and had to set them up myself

whats crazy is for one i paid for a setup and they just fucked it up more

now i work on my own guitars because apparently i do it better than their employees

[dry parrot]

it had fret buzz, it hadnt before, so i had to fix the truss rod i believe

and also maybe the action

[open fjord]

Lol damn

[dry parrot]

heres a better attempt at micing up my cab any suggestions on how to maybe move the mic or mabye improve the tone in general

[vital carbon]

Damn this RG550 is a beast, the neck is magical

[toxic wharf]

Respect you are trying to play it with a clean tone. Tone sounds quite good too

[lethal fractal]

Tone wise sounds good.

[gritty garden]

Yeah, this is why I tend to factor in an external set up from a qualified luthier when I buy a new guitar.

[toxic wharf]

Im buying that

[acoustic cobalt]

Just got this yesterday 😏

[wind mauve]

did you give it the sniff test

[wind mauve]

take a bite

[acoustic cobalt]

I did 😋

[wind mauve]

[toxic wharf]

Smells like maple syrup

Sounds like a strat + more. Great specs. Decent price

And Japanese build

Also has the fancy pick up switch which allows the pick ups to be treated in series

[wind mauve]

canada mentioned

[harsh fern]

yoo, anyone here got neural's Fortin Nameless X?
i wanna get it so badly but im broke atm so idkl if i should get it when it goes back to full price or not
for comparison i already have archetype gojira

so im curious if its worth getting at full price

[wind mauve]

if you have a neuralDSP

especially one that has an X variant

no reason to get another imo

[toxic wharf]

Outside of Gojira no use for just another high gain Neural

If anything Id go for the Morgan or Tone King outside of that

[harsh fern]

Ok thanks :D

[wind mauve]

buddy of mine has one of the og schecter 9 strings

like same model that josh travis used for danza

and he's willing to sell it to me cause he snapped a couple strings and just doesn't care to play the guitar or replace them

i kind of want it for the sole purpose of just owning a 9 string guitar

[toxic wharf]

Why do you want to own a piece embarrassment?

[open fjord]

Because he'd have his own Rob Scallon guitar.

Without having to pay 1500 for a Rob Scallon sig.

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[toxic wharf]

The concept of an electric 9 string guitar is just not well thought off

[wind mauve]

it is again one of the earlier ones

iirc 28” scale length

so it’s probably only good for standard

this one

[toxic wharf]

Even than, the low c# sounds like 💩

[wind mauve]

perhaps

but the funni 9 string

at any rate the offer is on the table for me

[wind mauve]

oh my god there's a mesa triple rectifier?

i googled this as a joke i didn't expect it to exist

[toxic wharf]

You didnt know? Its quite a famous amp

Whats the joke?

Its basically the 5150 of the early 2000's being hyped

[open fjord]

The Triple Rectifier is the 120w bigger brother of the Dual Rectifier.

Most artists from the 90s and early 2000s used one at some point.

But very few artists are defined by that sound.

[wind mauve]

i figured if there's a dual rec

there must be a step up

now where's the quad rec

[open fjord]

There's also a step down called the Single Rectifier.

[wind mauve]

nah move another up

quintuple rectifier

[open fjord]

It's 50w instead of the Dual's 100w. It was Mesa's first attempt at making a cheaper alternative to their flagship all at the time.

Nowadays, it's been replaced by the 25w Mini Rectifier.

But you can find Single Rectifiers for a decent price used.

[wind mauve]

what i really want is the badlander

which i believe is a dual rec variant

so the triple rec badlander should be the wastelander or smth

[open fjord]

It is. It's basically a refined version of the original 2 channel Revision G Rectifier without the tube rectification option on the back, and uses only the silicon diodes.

[wind mauve]

thats a lotta words big dawg

what i do know is i played two different ones

and they kicked mega ass

[open fjord]

There are a lot of different variants of the Recto with their own characteristics.

My least favorite are the early multi-watt versions.

They sounded like ass.

[open fjord]

I've played a lot of different variants over the years. So I normally can tell the difference between the variants.

[wind mauve]

i mean two badlanders sorry

one was a combo the other was a head & cab

[open fjord]

Ohhhhh

[wind mauve]

the combo alone runs up more than all three of my guitars combined but i need it

haven't played an actual dual rec

[open fjord]

That's Mesa for you lol.

[open fjord]

Playing an actual Dual Rec is an experience. You either love it or hate it tbh.

[wind mauve]

i played one of the neuraldsp's that model it but obviously it's nowhere near the same

was talking to two guys at my guitar shop about amps

and the one guy was like "yeah [name] here has one of the JPIIc's. we were jamming with it in [other guy's] basement and he just stopped and asked, 'why does your amp sound so angry?'"

[open fjord]

Actually about that. Neural has yet to model any variant of the Rectifier.

[wind mauve]

hm?

so then whats the archetype petrucci

[open fjord]

JP2C

[wind mauve]

ah

i thought they were all rectifiers

everything is rectifier

[open fjord]

JP only used a Rectifier for an album. He's known for famously using a Mark.

[open fjord]

Depends on the application. I too have Archetype Gojira, but me being me, I actually heavily dislike it. I much prefer Nameless for lower tunings.

What do intend to use it for?

[harsh fern]

Well i was thinking of getting a 7 string in like 2 months or so

And having it in

Uhhh

Idk whats that tuning called, just basically D standard but on a 7 string

So i thought it might be good for that

[open fjord]

Well at that point it depends on the Tone your looking for.

Gojira uses a 5150III for both the Rust and Magma amps (with the clean being a Fender Twin) and the Nameless is essentially an insanely modded Marshall Plexi.

If you know the tone of the 5153 and like Joe Duplantier's tones and prefer it then there is no reason to get Nameless as it's incredibly tight and bright with a very rich upper mid range.

Nameless may be tight with a boost but it's incredibly raucous and rowdy in comparison. It has a snarl and lashes out like a beast in comparison to the much more precise 5153 in Gojira. It also has a stupid amount of gain.

That being said, with Gojira you have access to the blue channel and Fender cleans with a variety of FX. With Nameless, you have 2 different boosts, a gate, and Neural post fx.

It all depends if you want a modded Marshall or not. And no, Nameless doesn't do clean.

[harsh fern]

Ahh i see

Thank you so much for the heads up, i appreciate it tons!

I think ill be sticking to the archetype gojira for now in that case

I just wasnt sure how archetype gojira would handle the lows of a downtuned 7 string

[toxic wharf]

Smart choice...despite being moddelled on different 'amps' Neural simply has a big problem: the high gain amps all do quite the same amd have a very similar reaction amd can be dialed in in very similar ways

My tip would be to be careful into falling into Neurals trap. Just get 2 archetypes or an archetype and a suite, but dont get Gojira + another high gain archetype or suite.

[harsh fern]

Alright alright, noted

Tysm guys :D
I appreciate the help tons
If everything goes to plan ill be getting a schecter sunset 7 extreme in about 2 months

So im very excited to finally try out a 7 string and learn songs on it, cuz most of the songs i listen to and wanna learn need a 7 string or higher

[open fjord]

I wouldn't say they all have a similar reaction. For example the Soldano does not handle down tuned very well past Drop C and needs a lot of work in order to get it to that point.

I would argue Archtype Plini is also in a similar situation as it just doesn't handle lower tunings as well as other plugins (though oddly Plini's clean amp is incredible for drop tuned clean stuff).

[open fjord]

https://youtu.be/HC6ntY8DD2E?si=Y0KP1MBbWf2HrB8D

Cool fun fact: It was Tosin Abasi who helped him get noticed by EBMM.

[little gale]

i really wish they could do the colours that chapman did for his sigs because they would FUCK hard

[high tangle]

I really feel ya there bruv

[dire kayak]

what happened to it

oh

if I were you I'd try to learn basic maintenance as much as possible, I did and it's saved me so much money

bc guitar center overcharges for changing strings on a floating bridge and most of my guitars are floating bridge

[high tangle]

General cleaning and adjusting

[dire kayak]

so I learned myself with practice and error

[dire kayak]

oh ok

wait what

sorry I'm stupid

different person

yeah what he said

[high tangle]

What is it getting maintenanced for?

[dire kayak]

learn to set action and intonation, avoid the truss rod if you're scared, changing strings is essential to know

most things can be fixed, just take small steps

watch an hour of tutorials and you'll know more than me

it's abt confidence that you can do it

especially action and intonation it's impossible to damage your guitar doing those

[high tangle]

More scared changing strings than adjusting action

[dire kayak]

its abt practice, I was scared like you to touch anything on my guitars at some point

but now I have 6 guitar and maintain them all perfectly bc I've practiced it a lot

you'll make errors but you won't fuck things up if you follow directions, and there's a wide margin for error

worst case scenario you break a string

now something justifiably terrifying is floating bridges

[high tangle]

Like they said too the truss rod can be a little worrysome

[dire kayak]

yeah

anyways gtg hope my advice helped and devastator can answer further questions

[high tangle]

Most guitars have fixed bridges

You can mess up the neck if you don't know what your doing

Truss rod doesn't affect the bridge

The truss rod is basically a metal piece that's in the neck of the guitar to keep it from bowing

Yep

It depends on which way the neck is bowing, you have to know which way to turn the allen key

https://youtu.be/qKtlsps4SqY?si=6aj0daEzDW7-yk7s

I guess that's your preference. The cover usually doesn't harm the guitar any

Do you have anything else you need help with?

Just to identify what key the song is in?

Yeah I can help

It's in Drop B and I believe it's in E minor

Sorry nvm it's F# minor

Tuned to drop B

[wind mauve]

GUILTY GEAR MENTIONED 🗣️

WHAT THE FUCK IS A BAD SONG

[smoky widget]

How important is it to oil your fretboard

[high tangle]

I don't

Usually I just dust and wipe

[smoky widget]

Alright

[toxic wharf]

Not very, and if the fretboard is maple it can even be bad

[shut meadow]

Anyone play with a really downtuned bass have a string and gauge recomendation? looking for drop e0

[bronze orbit]

Looking for someone who plays guitar in New England to start a hardcore band

Preferably from Massachusetts

[open fjord]

https://youtu.be/Xy6QrJnmXLM?si=xN6wHAvO5aBoqonC

Did not expect that.

For those who don't know, Mick Thomson used to be a Seymour Duncan artist for years, the Blackouts (now called the Alt. Metal) being his signature set.

[inner shell]

😮‍💨

[quasi mirage]

Ngl I fuck with this

[wind mauve]

no finish wood designs are so nice honestly

fuck the gloss fuck the bright colours fuck the burl

gimme some wood

no pause i'm sayin that with my chest

[wind mauve]

NAH

GIMME SOME WOOD

[high tangle]

Yo what happened to that guy?

Blud got deleted

[wind mauve]

couldn’t give me wood

[harsh lodge]

Practicing pinch harmonics.

I'm impressed with how they sound.

[harsh fern]

Hey guys, anyone here got a cordial silent cable? Do yall think its worth it?

For the 33 euro that its priced at

Or should i go for the lil cheaper ernie ball angled cable?

[dire kayak]

if youre trying to reduce noise invest in a noise suppressor

i use any old cable and a noise suppressor and im fine

[harsh fern]

Nah just gotta get a new cable

And i want a lil higher quality onr

Ended up getting the ernie ball one

[toxic wharf]

My boss katana won’t update its firmware. The lights flash forever. Does anyone know how to fix?

[harsh lodge]

What Boss Katana you have?

Mk1 or Mk2?

Send a screenshot, picture or a video.

[gritty garden]

Are you updating it with the right thing? You're not trying to put the katana software on their instead of the amp update?

[toxic wharf]

I’m going to try once more with a different set of files that I found on a YouTube guide.

So I think the files were right just for the wrong version

[dry parrot]

guys i have a question

or more like a weird situation

i bought a peavey windsor a bit ago

and the front of it is supposed to be solid white, but it has a grill on it instead

and it looks like thats only on modded amps

is it possible i bought a modded one without realizing it

and if i did, there was sharpie marking 4 ohms even though its paired with a 16 ohm cab, should i keep the switch at 4 in case they fucked around with that

or just the grill was moved to the front

[high tangle]

Where did you get the amp from my guy?

I'm assuming this what your talking about

[harsh lodge]

I brought some cheap Ernie Ball guitar strings from AliExpress for a few dollars, gonna see if I get scammed.

They ship from China.

[high tangle]

I mean... There's also Amazon dude

[harsh lodge]

I know but still.

[dry parrot]

this is mine

[dry parrot]

you got scammed

there are many clone ernie balls

hold them side by side with a regular pack, there will probably be a color difference

and the quality of them wont be good

[high tangle]

Most of the images on Google have that white cover. Have you ever used it yet?

[dry parrot]

heres the back

[dry parrot]

yeah works fine

im wondering if its modded though

this seems like a popular amp to mod

[dry parrot]

and the switch here has sharpie marking 4 ohms, for a 16 ohm cab

[high tangle]

Where did you initially get it from?

[dry parrot]

local guitar shop

well non local but that type of store

it was discounted

[dry parrot]

this is how it was in store

[high tangle]

It might actually be modded because I don't see anything similar to the cover it has

[dry parrot]

yeah

if it is thats cool

bc its usually a 5150 mod

[high tangle]

And it could be likely too because of where you got it from

Usually local shops tend to mod used equipment

[bright latch]

anyone here knows how to get a Skramz guitar tone using gojira?

[dire kayak]

so that leaves the question, should i use the 4ohm output for my 16ohm cab bc it's marked

[open fjord]

https://www.guitarworld.com/features/herman-li-dragonforce-prs-waterslide-shred

Herman Li PRS sig on the way!

[smoky widget]

Do I really need the other strings tbh

[dire kayak]

u need 3 and 4 for dissonance

then ur good

[smoky widget]

Two on top and two on bottom

[wind mauve]

name checks out

thats kind of a sick guitar tho im ngl

[smoky widget]

Wanna see the finished product?

[wind mauve]

yea

[wind mauve]

looks tasty you take a bite yet?

[toxic wharf]

Omen extreme?

[smoky widget]

Elite

[toxic wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

[wind mauve]

well shit i was right

trivium guitar/bass plugin

https://bogrendigital.com/pages/ampknob-trivium-bundle

i will grab the free trial when i get home, in the mean time i will be thinking about it all day long

[toxic wharf]

Trivium, my beloved

[south hare]

What do y'all think of the new ESP × Hatsume Miku guitar?

https://espguitars.co.jp/lp/wings_of_creation

[wind mauve]

oh

thats

a design

to be sure

[south hare]

Yeah not sure where they were going with that

[wind mauve]

Trivium AmpKnob full mix demo

but i've had some beers

so it sounds slightly strange

[high tangle]

I've used it, Kinda too muddy for me

[wind mauve]

i found it fairly tight over all

especially for a $50 "plug and play" amp sim

decent quality

[open fjord]

https://ml-sound-lab.com/pages/reflex-irs

Interesting concept

But my one problem with ML's impulses is that they all tend to sound the same.

No matter the speaker and cab they sound very similarly to each other which other impulses from other companies (like Ownhammer or GGD) don't have that issue. Not sure why ML does though.

[shut meadow]

Anyone know about tracking bass for downtuned songs? for example in drop E, do people normally record with a bass in standard, drop tune the bass, or pitch shift down from a more playable tuning?

[dry parrot]

you need a bass with max scale length and tune it down really low

i think that low e you need to tune to is actually the lowest audible note ever

and to tune the bass u need to use harmonics

no tuner will pick it up

[shut meadow]

I used eurobass3 before cause i didnt like the basses i had and recently bought a good multiscale bass, and man that low E is so rough sounding