Guitars & Bass

[fervent fox]

BAH! Your young you got plenty of time to save up for one lol

[spice moth]

Fair

I'll have one eventually

[lethal fractal]

Final ping lmao, what key were you planning to make the song in?

[spice moth]

I think c# minor/ c# harmonic minor

[lethal fractal]

For sleep token probably just the natural minor

[spice moth]

Bet

I have high hopes for this track

This sleep token style track, will have the sleep token style version and then I'm gonna do a version in my usual like EDM style

[toxic wharf]

Invent Animate has a pretty generic 'djent' tone. Use the third amp with the 57 mic and you have a pretty good starting point

Mids somewhere around 1 o' clock, bass 9 o' clock and the highs 3 o clock

Gain maybe 11 o clock

[primal parrot]

Thanks ill try it out in a bit

[toxic wharf]

And also tube screamer OD activated with relatively standard settings. Roll the tone off to taste from maxed out

Cabwise second or third one and youd come very close

[primal parrot]

great! Ill try it out

[granite rapids]

@lethal fractal what kind of bridge do I need?

[graceful socket]

my brother in Christ, how did you even do that!?

[granite rapids]

The saddles are she and the screws inside them were stuck

I can't even get one of them back in

I was trying to fix the intonation

[toxic wharf]

Seems like a junkyard piece of gear lmao

[granite rapids]

So I need to know if there's a specific type of bridge replacement

[granite rapids]

Well yeah it's stock

It's an ibanez gio 7 string

I've had it literally since 2017

[toxic wharf]

Guitars arent exactly fast fashion lol

[granite rapids]

Well what bridge do I need

I don't know if you can put different types on at once or what

[toxic wharf]

'Yeah its 6 years old now, its pretty decent if it hasnt broken down until now'

[granite rapids]

Well duh, I wanna play it. I just wanna fix the crappy parts on it

[toxic wharf]

A mono rail bridge

I doubt the Gio has it but its a decent replacement

And helps tuning stability

[granite rapids]

Okay

Does price matter?

[lethal fractal]

No quality does

Usually higher price equals better quality though

[granite rapids]

The one I'm looking at is $18, one of the cheaper ones

I hope that'll be fine

Couldn't find many other ones

[lethal fractal]

Send a link to it..

[granite rapids]

Guyker 7 String Guitar Fixed Bridge – Metal Hardtail Bridges Replacement Part for Electric Guitar (Black) https://a.co/d/hgs0RPv

[lethal fractal]

Or you are just getting a new bridge not a new saddle

[granite rapids]

I need both

[lethal fractal]

One or the other you won't need both

[granite rapids]

I'll just replace the saddles

And keep the bridge as a spare

[lethal fractal]

I mean sure

[granite rapids]

I hope the saddles will be decent quality

I mostly just care about being able to play the guitar again

I already have the tuners and humbucker pickups

[lethal fractal]

I would say they will be very poor quality for that price

[granite rapids]

They aren't installed yet but I have them

[granite rapids]

Shit

[lethal fractal]

Some of the used bridges I'm looking at are $140

Single saddles are like $20-$50

[granite rapids]

God damn that's expensive

I guess these will be temporary then

If they aren't good

[lethal fractal]

Looking at the reviews they are shit

[granite rapids]

Order is canceled, I'm looking for better ones

[lethal fractal]

Also be good to remember the body on those guitars are super crumbly it can't be a solid piece of wood so just got to be careful with installation

[lethal fractal]

I wouldn't look on Amazon for bridges probably have some good products but better sites

[granite rapids]

Are reverb or sweetwater good?

[lethal fractal]

Best

[toxic wharf]

Who buys guitar stuff at amazon?

[granite rapids]

Well I didn't know

[toxic wharf]

Oh sorry

Thought he just said 'I wouldnt buy from amazon'

Buy your stuff from acknowledged online retailers. They can also help you if you have problems

Most have pretty good customer service in my experience

[granite rapids]

Can any saddle be installed or would I need a specific type of bridge?

[toxic wharf]

Also dont cheap out on bridges

[lethal fractal]

^

[toxic wharf]

In the end, if I were you I would have put all that money away. How much you spent on relatively cheap upgrades vs the gio?

[granite rapids]

I am trying to make it better than stock

[toxic wharf]

But why? You are spending money on something that can only be upgrades to a limited extend

Is it a hobby project? Or you dont realize you are throwing away cash?

[granite rapids]

I haven't bought anything yet. I just wanna fix up the guitar cuz I haven't been able to play it in awhile

I'd rather not get a whole new guitar

[toxic wharf]

Amd the reasoning is?

If its money you are optin for the worse option here

[lethal fractal]

The gios just suck I have one and it's now just a hobby project guitar

[toxic wharf]

That Gio went to exactly 0 quality control. Imagine you throw 200 dollars on that guitar that costs what? 300?

And in 2 years your neck goes to shit

[lethal fractal]

New necks lol

[toxic wharf]

Its 500 down the drain, while you can buy a guitar for maybe 100 dollar more thats a significantly better platform

[lethal fractal]

^

[granite rapids]

I mean I would buy a better one if I had the money, but I want to fix up what I have now first

[lethal fractal]

But why when the money you will spend on parts can go towards an overall better guitar

[toxic wharf]

Exactly...its a weird logic people use when buying fast fashion

'I need cheap clothes I dont have money' in 2 years theyve spent more money on all their jackets than a decent thing they could have bought

[lethal fractal]

Plus you said you aren't installing these yourself so you would have to pay for the work as well

[granite rapids]

It's mostly sentimental value, it's one of my first guitars

Plus I want experience with modding it

So in a way it is kind of a hobby project

So should I just say fuck it and buy a new guitar?

[toxic wharf]

Depends what you want

A good guitar or messing about

Both have merit

For you the money spent on messing on your first guitar could be completely worth it

[granite rapids]

Other than the intonation, I think it's a pretty good guitar

Not the best

But it's not bad

It was my third I think

[toxic wharf]

Your bridge crapping out within 20 years...no gigging suppose?

[granite rapids]

Saddles* it's the screws in them

I can't even turn them on one of them

So I can't fix the intonation

That's the whole issue

They're all hard to adjust

So I need new ones

https://reverb.com/p/graph-tech-pg-0080-c7-string-saver-classics-floyd-rose-style-saddles-7-string

Are these ones compatible? They're the ones I'm looking at rn

[lethal fractal]

No

[granite rapids]

Dammit

[lethal fractal]

Unless you want to install a Floating trem system

At this point get a new guitar spend time learning about the guitar and how they work before trying to order parts

[granite rapids]

I guess I'll just stick to normal ones then

[toxic wharf]

A Gio your 3rd guitar?

[granite rapids]

At my grandpas house there are some extra guitars in the basement, they're off-brands

[lethal fractal]

He originally said it was his first so idk

[granite rapids]

oh i said one of my first

cuz i didn't remember when i got it

tbh i can see the difference in quality between a gio and a normal ibanez, cuz i have an ibanez rg421 (i think) 6 string

[lethal fractal]

I have played plenty of 5k-10k+ guitars and have friends who own a lot of similar guitars and from very nice guitars to cheap it is such a crazy difference

80% of the guitars coming through the shop I work at are only cheap guitars.

[granite rapids]

Most of us don't have $5k to spend on guitars

So it makes sense

Or do you mean the amount of guitars?

[lethal fractal]

What are you going on about?

80% of all the guitars coming through the shop are cheap guitars, for three reasons. There are more of them around due to just the prices, people who own them tend to not know how to do most guitar work and the cheaper parts just break more often.

[granite rapids]

Oh

[granite rapids]

When you said this I wasn't sure if you meant price or amount of guitars

That you've played

[lethal fractal]

Oh that... yes price

I'm currently saving for my first two very nice guitars a Maynoes and an Aristides

[granite rapids]

Fuck it I think imma just take the guitar in and get saddles installed myself

[lethal fractal]

Probably best

Well best would just be to sell it and save for something better

[granite rapids]

True

I might consider it

But how would I know how much to sell it for?

[lethal fractal]

You'd probably expect to get like 100-200 bucks for it...

Be best to just get the bridge replaced at a local shop then sell it ask for $200-$250 but say you're open to negotiate I wouldn't go lower then $125

[granite rapids]

i have a friend who really wants an ibanez guitar so i'll see about selling it to him

how much do you recommend spending on a 7 or 8 string?

[lethal fractal]

If you want to be a good friend don't sell him that guitar... what currency you using USD?

[granite rapids]

yeah, USD

[lethal fractal]

$2,000-$5,500

[granite rapids]

holy shit

ouch

[lethal fractal]

$1,000 is completely fine as well. Just I recommend that prices range. With 1k might need some basic work, but you would be happy with one

[lethal fractal]

What do you want I'm a 7 or 8 string? What would you like to play and be able to do with one.

As well do you plan on doing shows or recording or just to play.

[granite rapids]

i just wanna record for now

im really wanting a schecter omen 8 string

[lethal fractal]

Hated my omen 8

[granite rapids]

why

[lethal fractal]

The scale length being only 26.5 is really limited and just got to floppy unless ordering pretty thick strings, the pickups are just meh. This is personal preference but the body was super uncomfortable and so was the neck.

[granite rapids]

what brand do you recommend?

[fervent fox]

Schecter Omen 8 string seem to go for $799 which is reasonable

[lethal fractal]

The price is reasonable just I don't like the guitar...

[lethal fractal]

Ibanez, charvel, mayones, aristides.

Gtg now

[wind mauve]

that hark molcomb for $1.4k is still calling my name

not as much as the nolly "adam" getgood oryx 7 but i cant afford to think about affording that one so

[toxic wharf]

Nah bro 800-1000 and you will have a fine new Ibby 7 string

2000 and up isnt a fair recommendation if you are still playing gio's lol

[granite rapids]

unless mr beast showed up to my doorstep with $100,000 or more, i would not spend over 1.5k on a guitar

[balmy vortex]

have you ever tried one?

[granite rapids]

no because they're expensive

[balmy vortex]

then dont say that

the range above 1500$ is such a wild array of guitars. theres so much on many different quality levels

at your current income it might not be feasible but it will be once you get into better jobs and work full time

[balmy vortex]

as of right now, never say that and find places where you actually can try them

as much as im a sales guy in the range of 1000-50000. the difference in qc between 500-2000 is enormous

[granite rapids]

50000?

[balmy vortex]

yes 50k

http://daanve.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/DSCF5353.jpg

[granite rapids]

i'd love to be in that financial situation

[balmy vortex]

ESP exhibition model from 2016

[granite rapids]

where i could casually spend 50k on a guitar

[granite rapids]

i'd sell my kidney on the chinese black market for that

[balmy vortex]

no can do, its in a collection now that will become a museum one day

[granite rapids]

oh so it's a rare one

i see

[balmy vortex]

1 of 1

[granite rapids]

is it custom made?

[balmy vortex]

yes by one guy from the ESP custom shop

[granite rapids]

what was the original guitar?

[balmy vortex]

thats the original guitar

[granite rapids]

like what was it based off of

[balmy vortex]

its based of the ESP ex shape

or something like that

they dont really care tbh, theyll make anything theyd want

[lethal fractal]

Currently putting new strings on my dad's guitar

[wind mauve]

the fucking ahamkara is back

play not the tune wonderwall, o muse mine

[balmy vortex]

[lethal fractal]

I know people who have shops near them with 100k guitars

[granite rapids]

i would love to be the one making such guitars. imagine how much i could make

[lethal fractal]

Yea

[granite rapids]

what makes these guitars so expensive though? are they lining them with fuckin diamonds or something?

[lethal fractal]

What makes anything worth money

Just ideas

And some politics

Which is ideas

Just rare custom builds that to a lot of people mean something

[wind mauve]

the ahamkara skull is pretty rare to find

they're already mostly extinct

and the ones you hunt yourself torment you ceaselessly from beyond reality, taunting and heckling you

god destiny lore is so cool i just wish the games were

[fervent fox]

I still think that’s in a display case . Would look nice mounted on the wall over a fireplace (imo)

[balmy vortex]

Idk, don't know how the guy has his stuff hanging around

[lethal fractal]

I honestly really like some of the display cases put there

[lethal fractal]

Out*

[fervent fox]

Speaking of displays: would you be willing to hang your guitars/basses on those wall-mounted “hand through the wall” holders?

[lethal fractal]

One of these?

If so no unless it's light, I don't think it is going to rip out of the wall I'm more worried about the plastic breaking over time

[fervent fox]

I like the look of that one but what I was referring was to these monstrosities

They come in different varieties

[lethal fractal]

What in the fuck

Very happy with myself I have always turned in my guitars to get strings put on until very recently. I always was scared of doing it especially after a string broke and cut my whole hand.

But I did my first guitar completely by myself today.

[dry parrot]

im surprised someone like you doesnt change your own strings, you seem like someone that would

but yeah it takes practice

and you might get a scratch or two but once you learn well you can do it in 10 mins, no need to call a shop to do it and wait a long time

[toxic wharf]

Yeah, I even do 10 minutes with floating bridge nowdays unless I need to do a full setup

[lethal fractal]

For the last year and a bit I have been but always with someone lol

But ya big surprise

[wind mauve]

last time i put strings on myself i followed a tutorial for my model and the guy just straight up put like one half-wrap around each tuning peg

which obviously did not work

so i had to get my guitar teacher to show me how to do it, with the one string i kept breaking, and man i felt stupid

[lethal fractal]

This is why I just want my headless

[wind mauve]

i got roasted for liking headless guitars in the psycho-frame discord

i still like em but tbh some of the other ones i've looked at are way cooler

[lethal fractal]

I mean an aristides headless can't go wrong with one... How'd you go roasted for liking headless?
A lot of people say it's too new age... I have a friend who plays in a dad rock keyboard style band every has old school guitars and everything and he had a strandberg it stands out but no one should be hating him for using it.

[toxic wharf]

Headless guitars, depending on the body shape can look great

I like the Strandberg ones, but also Aristides has a classy design

[lethal fractal]

Comes down to your paint jobs as well, you can have a les Paul body but don't get a sunburst finish and not old school (overgenerlization)

[wind mauve]

one of the band's guitarists said that he doesn't mind most guitars but headless guitars are "baby stuff"

or something

[lethal fractal]

lol

Like yes they are light that's one of the whole design points, I have friends who have had bad spine injuries and holding a heavy guitar just kills them

[wind mauve]

still the best discord server im in by a long shot tbh

[lethal fractal]

Make him play a set holding the bass lol

[toxic wharf]

Of course they dont like Headless guitars. They are in a psycho frame discord and to enjoy a headless design you need to have taste

😏

[lethal fractal]

Not to mention the one guy's pfp 0_0

[wind mauve]

[toxic wharf]

Thats just candlethorn

[lethal fractal]

[wind mauve]

he did vocals at their first live show against doctor's orders so

i think he'll be aight

but yeah im not worried about headless for the weight reduction, unless i get that wacky fuckin guitar that weighs as much as an unloaded C7 rifle i'll be aight

i just thought they looked cool

[lethal fractal]

If he thinks headless is for babies he should switch to bass as guitar is babies compared to bass (unless that is the bass player)

[lethal fractal]

They do, they also just seem to be easier to use overall

[wind mauve]

i think the comparison was less that it was for babies due to weight and more that it was for babies due to it being a newer/modern design

[lethal fractal]

I give him a damn acoustic guitar then with no electronics

Or a stick

[toxic wharf]

Deathcore is for babies

[lethal fractal]

Or a lute

Idk something not so new school

[fervent fox]

Try a cigar box guitar

[balmy vortex]

He can go eat a bag of dicks ngl

[wind mauve]

nah im starting to think he was right now

[balmy vortex]

He's not

https://www.instagram.com/p/CvPoiOIobwG/?igsh=MXE2Mzh4bmhhcjZ1Nw==

humangreed09

Got the opportunity to try out this Virtus from @deangordonguitars and my lord is it one hell of an instrument. It's well built, resonant and inspirational. Finish and shape isn't for everyone but God do I like every bit of this guitar

Thanks @twotwband for sharing this instrument with us.

#guitar #boutiqueguitars #handbuiltguitars #highendgui...

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Headlesses can be very nice

[lethal fractal]

Not those things mmmm

[balmy vortex]

[lethal fractal]

I asked this before where is this emote?

[balmy vortex]

Dean lamb

You can tap the emote to see where it's from

[lethal fractal]

He has a server?

[lethal fractal]

No

[balmy vortex]

Yes you can

[lethal fractal]

Nuh uh

[balmy vortex]

[lethal fractal]

Ya you are in the server :\

Is it like deans server or just some random communityM

?

[balmy vortex]

It is Dean's server

[lethal fractal]

Dm me an invite pls

[toxic wharf]

Lol why...weeks ago you were in here saying you were gonna buy the headless legator...

For arguably an amount of money that could have bought a better but not headless guitar

[wind mauve]

the why is cause of y'alls reaction to him tbh

but yeah no i did start looking at similar price range stuff

this is all speculation until i can actually afford this stuff but i will say that the mark holcomb prs is lookin like a real winner overall

[dire kayak]

well if you keep the same string gauge and tuning, its similar to a normal setup, no having to adjust the springs at the back

I have 3 floating bridge guitars

I still need to get around to drop tuning one of them

probably d standard

[open fjord]

https://youtu.be/I3ozVA7OQPI?si=7G_LUWEPCblJzBBz

[open fjord]

https://youtu.be/R_9u6HFCO54?si=upEUoNWKaIr3NiHq

[lethal fractal]

That looks like the most uncomfortable guitar

Lots of us don't just enjoy metal :)
Those are some nice basses

[fervent fox]

What the hell is that on the body? A GoPro? Or some reflection?

[balmy vortex]

Reflections lmao

[abstract pawn]

So what should I do? I can't find a 28 inch 7 string

[balmy vortex]

Get a 27 inch 7 string

[abstract pawn]

Yeah thats my plan but I want to play some vildharja and IA riffs usually drop F# and double drop D#

Idk if the guitar can handle that low tho

[balmy vortex]

It can with the right strings

[abstract pawn]

And I can't buy a pitch shifter rn

[balmy vortex]

But the tuners will be a problem since they're not made for those thicknesses

[abstract pawn]

I could file the nut but I don't think it's a good idea

[balmy vortex]

Not for double drop D#

[abstract pawn]

So what do you recommend to reach that low?

[balmy vortex]

Drop F# is fine

[balmy vortex]

You dont

[abstract pawn]

I mean the string gauges

[balmy vortex]

You dont

[abstract pawn]

What about double drop B💀?

[balmy vortex]

No

[abstract pawn]

Sad

[balmy vortex]

Just don't go lower than any 8 string tunings

[abstract pawn]

Yeah I might get an 8 string

[balmy vortex]

What are some songs you know how to play rn that youd say are at your limit

[abstract pawn]

My only limitation is tremelo picking

[dire kayak]

isnt a lot of ia stuff 7 string

[abstract pawn]

Yeah but in "without a whisper" and a couple of other songs they use double drop D#

[balmy vortex]

That's not what I asked

[abstract pawn]

Damn, wdym?

[balmy vortex]

What are some songs you know how to play rn that youd say are at your limit

[dire kayak]

so you're going for a whole new guitar to play a few songs total?

to me sounds impractical

[abstract pawn]

I want to make my own songs to ofc

[abstract pawn]

Koyunbaba, it's a classical guitar piece I don't think it's relevant to metal stuff, yeah its going to be my first 7/8 string

[balmy vortex]

Anything vildijarta will require some tremendous metronome work, it's not fun

Like more than you'd imagine

[abstract pawn]

I'm willing to spend the whole summer just to learn those riffs

[balmy vortex]

I always say try 7-strings, but stay in B standard Drop A at first

Get the hang of the 7th string during that time and then try for more difficult stuff

There are plenty of bands you can take example of that play in B standard Drop A so you can get the hang of things

[abstract pawn]

Then I'm settling on a 7 strings, in a few years I'll maybe get an 8 string

[abstract pawn]

Seems reasonable and a good idea, my monkey brain just wants to chug

[balmy vortex]

Well I have the perfect song for that to practice the first 7 string songs

Disillusion in a discordant system - acrania

[abstract pawn]

Do you mind if I send the link of the guitar I'm thinking of buying?

[balmy vortex]

Go for it

[abstract pawn]

Just to get some feedback at the speaks and over-all build

[balmy vortex]

I will be very blunt just an fyi

[fervent fox]

[abstract pawn]

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.thomann.de/pt/ibanez_rgixl7_bkf.htm?gad_source%3D1%26gclid%3DCjwKCAiAloavBhBOEiwAbtAJOzqFm-OUM98donKkbTZr_5QSV5cJ2bkgnIG5_0GTDXEnunoVVnVdJBoC1h4QAvD_BwE&usg=AOvVaw0efZZ9VNd3-TrgkC6uOLrs&cs=1&hl=pt-PThttps://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.thomann.de/pt/harley_benton_baritone_7sb_dlx_series.htm?gad_source%3D1%26gclid%3DCjwKCAiAloavBhBOEiwAbtAJOwK5KSK-JjTvntheJhC8FddpJUPEd9maoZdCqlr18-J2jRrp211cwBoCpVcQAvD_BwE&usg=AOvVaw2zp2sQhQKR4CtecCYr8NyY&cs=1&hl=pt-PThttps://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.thomann.de/pt/harley_benton_r_457ffb_lh_roasted_multiscale.htm?gad_source%3D1%26gclid%3DCjwKCAiAloavBhBOEiwAbtAJO-nIOYe9fTg3HxyWqn0xZynxCbgDeBIw6ggUz8ut89fh11iR_v5Y7BoCuKoQAvD_BwE&usg=AOvVaw3vmAryd2KNIFwyUWfhClSU&cs=1&hl=pt-PThttps://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.thomann.de/pt/harley_benton_baritone_7sb_dlx_series.htm&usg=AOvVaw2bczgZngHp9wjY7-Cf-Pfq&cs=1&hl=pt-PT

I'm not aiming for something to expect because it's going to be my first 7 string

All of these are 27 inch scales if I'm not wrong

[balmy vortex]

First thing I'd do is get it set up properly and change the bridge pickup to something better

Other than that it's fine to start on

[toxic wharf]

And also other than that its boring

[balmy vortex]

It's wildly complicated with a lot of tempo and time signature changes as well as automated pitch shifting

All of this makes their music a bitch to learn

[toxic wharf]

Its hard to remember but its not that hard

To play

Besides the automatic pitch shifting

[balmy vortex]

There's more fun 7 stuff to play I agree.

Like revocation and archspire

[toxic wharf]

Yeah I find Archspire way more challenging too

[balmy vortex]

Obviously lmao

[fervent fox]

….or Fear Factory and Slaughter To Prevail

Doesn’t necessarily have to be “technical” lol

[balmy vortex]

No shit lmao, I was just putting out examples of stuff I learned on 7 string

[lethal fractal]

I can tell you 8 strings really are very very specific 7 string is all you need I still am making a justification to my 9 string when it's for only a few things I want to write

[balmy vortex]

8-strings require a butt load more left hand muting technique

[lethal fractal]

9 string is 100x worse for that as well

You would think 8-9 isn't big but I am good on a 8 string but 9 has just been kicking my ass

[fervent fox]

If it’s an 8 string your learning just practice some After The Burial riffs. Turns out they’re not that hard to learn

[lethal fractal]

Archspire

Archspire

Archspire

You say the name three times

[fervent fox]

https://tenor.com/view/showtime-beetlejuice-gif-24573561

[balmy vortex]

And then you might get 0.01% of their skill

[lethal fractal]

Haha ya

Honestly that's a lot

Atb has some good riffs and grooves some of their stuff is just a bit challenging but it isn't hard by any means

[lethal fractal]

The collection grows

[nimble jungle]

@teal yacht geetars

[teal yacht]

jesus

[nimble jungle]

Yea but they all serve a purpose

[teal yacht]

oh yeah?

[nimble jungle]

Mhm

That’s my justification

[teal yacht]

lmao

[nimble jungle]

My ML on the left is for Drop C stuff my V if for any Thrash stuff my les Paul is for more rock oriented the guitar on the bottom right is signed so I don’t play that then the ML cowboys from hell if for Pantera Only

And the 7 string is for 7 string stuff obv

[teal yacht]

ah

i don't think i'll ever play tbh.

[nimble jungle]

Bummer

[teal yacht]

too expensive and parents would say its too noisy

[nimble jungle]

It doesn’t have to be expensive!

Or Noisy

You can get a really good guitar for not that much

[teal yacht]

i do all my stuff electronically

how so?

hm.

[nimble jungle]

And you can use amp sims with headphones

[teal yacht]

Interesting.

[nimble jungle]

Thats free and it sounds killer

[teal yacht]

Intriguing.

[nimble jungle]

Though and Audio interface will cost ya

I think mine was around 100

Idk

But I do have an amp ofc

It’s broken rn tho

@teal yacht Harley Benton has really good guitars for under $800

[teal yacht]

jesus fuck under $800... that's still a lot.

when i can barely afford my house, that's a lot.

[nimble jungle]

It’s pretty budget in the guitar world lol

[teal yacht]

yikesssssss

[nimble jungle]

The guitar I’m using rn is about 450

It’s just something to consider

[teal yacht]

ah.

[balmy vortex]

More geetars

[lethal fractal]

Even more

I might go take photos of all my guitars today

One of those is a customer's guitar... I think I like ibanez

[nimble jungle]

GOD DAMN

[lethal fractal]

I'm being dumb and can't remember the names of the two ibanezs that are the same just different colour.
Almost bought one yesterday.

[balmy vortex]

Pia's

Those are not the only ones with multiple colours on the same model tho

[lethal fractal]

Ah yes

Had a big talk about Pia's and Jems yesterday

[toxic wharf]

Theyre great. Love the design of the Pia too

[tawny elm]

I have never seen a guitar liek this before does anyone know if they’re any good?

Looking for my first 7 string

Love les Paul shape

[lethal fractal]

They are just a bit to busy for me either removing the single coil or just giving it a tad bit more breathing space. Otherwise I love them.

[lethal fractal]

I have a similar guitar... six string, the bodies are pretty nice.
They aren't the worst or the best, well rounded do a good job.

[tawny elm]

Fair enough

[tawny elm]

I was also looking at the Ec-257 but the neck heel on this is so much nicer

[lethal fractal]

I'd say the ESPs are better but they are both fine.

[tawny elm]

I’ve not had the best experience with esp so I might be a little bias

[lethal fractal]

Very fair, I mean depending on what you want in a guitar and how much you are willing to spend you have lots of options

[fervent fox]

I used to own 2 of the 6 string variants back in the day (purple and red). Served me quite well back then but I was disappointed in the finishes and the lack of fret inlays.

[lethal fractal]

I'm a no inlay or very specific inlay person

[tawny elm]

Not really got a huge budget

I’m not looking for a main guitar just something to get the job done

[tawny elm]

Hmmmmmm interesting

[lethal fractal]

Mainly 7 string or 6?

[lethal fractal]

What is it? Might be worth to save a bit more if it's really low.

[tawny elm]

Probably £600 max idk what that translates to in other currency’s

That being said if I save any more than that I’d probably go for the iceman 7 string

[lethal fractal]

I can work with conversions :)

[tawny elm]

Thank you very much btw I’ve spent ages bouncing around different possible guitars

[tawny elm]

7 string I think

I have enough 6 strings for now

[open fjord]

https://youtu.be/_C9_zZozjuU?si=WPJxV_Ue_4Yc-EMu

[lethal fractal]

No worries, if you can save up just another ≈ £150 your options would open up just a tad bit more I would say but for ≈600

The LTD EC-257 or RG Standard 7-String.
Looking on the used market is great, one of my friends his go to thing to say is look on the used market for prestige ibanezes some go for cheap and just need a tad bit of work and you will have an amazing guitar

[tawny elm]

I will do that in a bit

Scroll around on reverb and eBay and stuff that’s actually a great idea

Thank you very much

I’ll check for used iceman as well because I love that shape

[lethal fractal]

Idk about eBay not a massive for guitar gear there.
Goodluck

[tawny elm]

I found an ict700 for about £800 which really isn’t bad

I’ll keep looking

[lethal fractal]

Nice, do a big look make a big list and you can cross reference prices from new and used and base it off all of that

[sterile valley]

Anyone have experience with the old Yamaha RGX line? I started playing again and had my dad ship me my old RGX320. Still feels and sounds great. wondering if it could handle being set up for lower tunings though

[lethal fractal]

How low you planning to go?

[sterile valley]

maybe B-ish? i have it in drop C at the moment but even with that i get a little tone wobble

[lethal fractal]

With the right strings and some nut work I don't see you having issues with B although the tuners might be a bit too small, though I don't think it would become an issue.

Do you know what gauge strings you have on now?

[sterile valley]

i've always defaulted to super slinkies. so 9-42

never played anything else tbh so definitely open to suggestions

[lethal fractal]

Definitely very floppy for C

For B standard on that guitar I'd probably recommend going with 12-60 that would hold that tuning though if the tuners are to small which they shouldn't be 11-56 probably would be alright as well

[lethal fractal]

Usually new set of strings for each tuning is how it goes... Some people even for drop D from E standard they will use a different string for the low D

[sterile valley]

preciate the help!

[lethal fractal]

Main reason I'm here :)
I have used both 56s and 60s for a low B on a 25 and a half inch scale definitely prefer 60s never have tried 58s but those are an option as well.

[white oar]

hi all, just wondering would 0.10 - 0.59 string gauges be good / do the job for Drop B / Drop F#? im hoping to get a 7 string somewhen and i want to be able to properly play some Architects, Bleed From Within, Parkway Drive etc without a big issue with tones or anything. I've only been playing for less than a year so i dont really know and want to change strings or anything.

[lethal fractal]

It depends on your scale length

[white oar]

the guitar im looking to get is a 25.5 inch scale

im also left handed so its kinda difficult to find a left handed 7 string thats a decent price because there isnt many tbh

[lethal fractal]

When we are saying drop B you do you know if it's B1 or B0?

Those strings would work for drop B1 not the F# though

For B standard on a 7 string 25 and a half inch scale I use 10-56

[white oar]

what do you mean by B1 and B0?

[lethal fractal]

It's the octave the note is in... What's a song you want to learn? I can find the tuning for the song easier through that :)

[white oar]

one would be "The End of All We Know" by Bleed From Within, a fair bit of their stuff is B F# B E G# C#

[lethal fractal]

The 10-59 you said you will run into some tension issues I don't tend to tune up but that would get to tight on the higher strings

I'll go try and figure this out quickly

Oh that's a 6 string

[white oar]

so would it do the job then i guess?

[lethal fractal]

No, it would not.
I'd order custom strings at that point or would buy two separate packs and mix the strings to have the even tension I can think of a standard set that would be good for that tuning on a 7 string.

I could be getting tired and not thinking properly, I'll go ask some people see if I can get an answer.

[white oar]

alright mate 👍

[lethal fractal]

Well I guess I'm thinking of this just like a dumb dumb. I'm going treating the lowest string like the lowest B which is just stupid... Let me go calculate the strings now I'm thinking straight lol

I'm all for it if you have the resources...

[white oar]

alright 😅

[lethal fractal]

You probably would want to go for for like a 011 – .014 – .018 – .032 – .044 – .056 – .070 might be your best bet for that the tuning would be G# B F# B E G# C# or like an 11-64

That's the right way about going about it not the dumb shit I was doing in my head before

If you are changing tunings a lot you need to change your intonation and sometimes even trus rod.... So it's nice to just have guitars setup to be perfect for each tuning especially when playing live that's why all bands just switch guitars for different tunings they just have a guitar setup for each tuning which is just convenient

New strings as well for tunings...

Yes

In the comfort of your home it's fine to just setup a guitar but I still have guitars setup for different tunings as it's just convenient

You can't make me play a guitar that is not intonated properly

Tad bit sharp or flat even for my own my tool is coming out and I'm spending the 5 minutes to make the intonation right.

I hate high action an bass naturally has higher action so high action on a bass drives me insane

I know people that like it that high...

Even that could probably be lowered just a smidgen but I do bet it's a lot better lol

For sure and that's what it comes down to

Personal preference

Nice

I currently have a project in the shop the trus rod in a bass is busted so got to remove the fretboard put a new one it and all of that...

[silk wren]

Should a get a Blood Splatter Solar Guitar

[lethal fractal]

That's up to you

[silk wren]

I’m looking for a really metal guitar because right now my most metal guitar is a 2003 Squier bullet Strat with an EMG active that I managed to squeeze in it

I forgot to mention that it’s also hot pink with hello Kitty painted on the pick guard

[lethal fractal]

the new pfp threw me off I thought you where a different person and was so confused

[lethal fractal]

Get an evertune on it

[silk wren]

I change it like every five minutes when I’m bored

[silk wren]

I am way too lazy to change out the horrible trim system on it

[lethal fractal]

You can get solar if you want, just up to you.

I like some of their guitars not many of them are for me though but I don't have anything bad to say against them just not my thing but I enjoy looking at them and people talking about them

[lethal fractal]

I think I just made covid 2.0 opened up a buddies guitar that needed work and it stinks so bad

[toxic wharf]

Its surprising how you went from not changing your own strings to working on other peoples guitars in a few months 😂

[lethal fractal]

I started learning how to solder before doing my own strings lmao

Well I could do my own strings just was scared of them

[dire kayak]

how is it that guitars get so smelly

i was looking for used basses

and half of them smelled sweaty and gross

and some had never changed their strings once

[lethal fractal]

That depends on the seller a lot of people don't take care of their instruments and smoke around them a lot...

[dire kayak]

it's not the smell of cigarette smoke, I don't mind that, it's the awful smell of sweat

[lethal fractal]

The the other part of not taking care of the guitar with basic mostly cleanings and what not.

[fervent fox]

NGD

[toxic wharf]

Not a V fan, but thats a perfect red

[balmy vortex]

Arrow's are sick

[magic valley]

https://www.ibanez.com/usa/products/detail/grx70qa_5n_02.html
Is this a good guitar?

[lethal fractal]

No

[magic valley]

fuck

I bought it 2 years ago and it's been collecting dust

guess I fucked up

[lethal fractal]

It will play

[magic valley]

I mean yeah it does play...

[lethal fractal]

I haven't played a Gio with a trem but other budget guitars with the same setup and the tuning stability is awful... even on fixed bridge gios it's not great.

[magic valley]

When I did play on this one the tuning was fine, and the tremolo was a lot of fun

It stayed in tune

[lethal fractal]

For little expression trem stuff I bet it's okay. For half an hour to an hour+ of usage recording or dense playing I don't see it staying in tune.

Gio just is there cheap line with cheap equipment that doesn't last either.

[magic valley]

a

[lethal fractal]

It's a playable guitar just nothing special or in the middle.

[magic valley]

Would u say its worth the price?

[fervent fox]

For entry lvl beginner it is

[lethal fractal]

It depends how much you have paid.
My store is selling them for $280 I personally don't think you should spend that little on a guitar unless you are just starting and want to find out if guitar is your thing.

I started on a Gio it was my first guitar and it got me through the begging.

[magic valley]

I bought it when I was just starting out

And well I still kinda am as I never stuck with it

I wanted to take classes but at the time too many people were lined up so I didn't get a spot

and I didn't wanna be self taught

[lethal fractal]

It will be fine for getting started.

[magic valley]

Ight ty

[lethal fractal]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Soap_D0UNgM?si=ty2RdFXo6g0a64o2

Poor kid 🤣

[balmy vortex]

Get it setup by a pro and you'll be fine

[magic valley]

Setup how exactly

[balmy vortex]

Everything, fret level, top nut adjustment, string height, trussrod, intonation and more

[magic valley]

Uh....

[balmy vortex]

Go look up what a setup means of you still have no idea

[magic valley]

I bought it 2 years ago

Lil late innit

[balmy vortex]

No

[magic valley]

Well I did do one thing

I did swap the strings

And adjust height

But thats all i remember

[lethal fractal]

Just take it to a professional for a professional setup.

[magic valley]

I guess i can try...

[lethal fractal]

Wabaduba da

Do you have any shops, guitar techs or luthiers within an hour drive from you?

[digital mesa]

guitars, like cars, benefit from having professionals giving it a look and adjusting/cleaning up parts (basically what HumanGreed described) from time to time

maybe even replacing parts (probably won't be the case for yours)

but no such thing as it being too late. Especially for a cheap guitar, it'll feel better than playing it when it was new (my personal experience, at least)

[lethal fractal]

I mean after cleaning up my Gio especially leveling the frets as they where awful it plays amazing.

[digital mesa]

like cars, you can try to do it yourself 😄

results may vary

[lethal fractal]

Yeah and like cars if you learn how to do it, it is a lot cheaper

Why I'm learning car mechanics, guitar work, and even how to work on pool tables and the cues. Lot cheaper I like learning so it's fun

[magic valley]

will it be expensive tho?

[digital mesa]

depends on the luthier/tech. Mine does a "standard" setup for around 50€

[magic valley]

So where am I supposed to go? A guitar shop? Cuz there is one nearby

[digital mesa]

they should have that service, yes. Can also look up guitar luthiers online that are nearby you

it's what I did to find mine

[lethal fractal]

That just depends on the shop or person

[dire kayak]

well anything takes practice, same with working on your own guitar

[toxic wharf]

noob attempt athe the middle riff from Korn - Clown

[plush elbow]

Think I'm gonna buy a second hand bass or guitar from cashies. Anyone got any tips so I don't buy a lemon? I don't really know what to look for.

[feral hound]

Can you guys recommend me good 7 string guitars?

[balmy vortex]

Worn v new

[balmy vortex]

Hapas Siren 727. Unless you can get me a budget

[balmy vortex]

Mayones Regius core 7 baritone

[lethal fractal]

RGD Prestige

the other two are great as well

Also aristides makes great 7 string guitars

[graceful socket]

sad lefty noises

[lethal fractal]

Hopefully soon

[graceful socket]

|| as if I had the money to get one anyway lmao ||

[lethal fractal]

I honestly was super surprised you don't fret with your dominant hand still blows my mind to this day

[graceful socket]

Idk about that to be honest. They've been adamant on how complex these molds are to develop and I just dont think there's enough of a market in the aristides pricerange to make it worth their while. I'll keep on hoping to someday afford and get a lefty-7 Aristides but i dont quite see it

[graceful socket]

Yeah, kind of wild if you think about it but ig it's better to use the dominant hand for keeping the rhythm better and performing more complex picking ig

[lethal fractal]

Yea don't they have the lefty 6 string?

[lethal fractal]

Yea I bet you can develop both perfectly fine it would be interesting to do an experiment

Like how the samurai you always used your right hand forward

But being left handed gave you more power it same thing might apply to guitar

[graceful socket]

Yeah, but that's the only lefty

[graceful socket]

That's a pretty interesting hypothesis, might be worth a try, though probably tough as shit as you'd have to basically relearn everything

[lethal fractal]

I am ambidextrous still mainly use my right hand though and as playing drums good with both hands either way although yes it's a bit weird.
I can play some stuff left handed string skipping is the hardest for me.

[lethal fractal]

How much usage do you get out of one?

[balmy vortex]

The yellow one I had since beginning of February

[lethal fractal]

Look at the prices they are asking and compare to a brand new price, try them out look online for what you might want feel free to ask more questions here

[wind mauve]

give it the taste test

you can always tell when you taste a lemon

[lethal fractal]

I like eating just lemons :\

[wind mauve]

i personally would not eat a guitar that tasted like a lemon

i feel like they should have a more earthy texture

like a potato maybe

[lethal fractal]

Lemon tree wood

[wind mauve]

bubinga tastes better imo

[lethal fractal]

Walnut or cherry mmm

[wind mauve]

poplar isn't too bad but it's kind of airy

like an aero bar almost

[lethal fractal]

Eww

[wind mauve]

swamp ash is kind of like eating dark chocolate its very bitter

supposedly better for you tho

[lethal fractal]

I eat 90% or 100% dark only

I got 3 90% beside me lol

[wind mauve]

bro is just eating straight cacao beans at this point 💀

[lethal fractal]

Roasted cacao beans are so good!!! Screw you now I want to go buy some mmmm

[bitter yew]

should i get vocals on this. me and my friend made it https://soundcloud.com/chad-469391231/untitled-track-mp3?si=7677f965950e434995656eac6449dd0e&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing

[storm mulch]

Is it bad to admit that I think most songs should open up with that fucking Donald trump thing😭

But yea you should definitely get vocals

Definitely some Midwest emo type vocals

[bitter yew]

yeah it was like a last minute meme. Thanks so much for the feeback! Im gonna try to get soe midwest emo vocals for sure

[wind mauve]

im fucking crying at the intro that's incredible

[storm mulch]

That’s how all songs should open

[dry parrot]

i tuned one of my floating guitars to drop c, i regret it i only know one drop c song

why did i do this

[storm mulch]

Time to start learning

[dry parrot]

yeah im not spending 10 minutes retuning again

do you have song suggestions to learn

[fervent fox]

Any band or genre suggestions would help

Just to get the ball rollin

[dry parrot]

metalcore or deathcore are mostly what im into

just looking for basic suggestions

because then i can come up with some riffs with some basic knowledge

but a lot of deathcore is prob 7 string

[fervent fox]

You can get away with doing Born Of Osiris. Most of their albums were done in Drop C tuning (including Machine if you wanna learn sweeps).
Just to knock out some of the metalcore:
As I Lay Dying
All That Remains
Killswitch Engage
Hatebreed
August Burns Red
Demon Hunter
Wage War

[dire kayak]

I didn't know wage war used drop c, that's cool I'll def learn some of that

[balmy vortex]

Add some As Blood Runs Black

[fervent fox]

I was thinking of that too but I wasn’t sure if they would be up his alley or easy to play lol

[balmy vortex]

It's not easy to play at all you're right about that

Fun to add anyway because it helps to add complexity and technicality

[fervent fox]

It was a stretch just including ABR

[balmy vortex]

Fr

[fervent fox]

I included a lot of bands from the early 2000s. I draw a blank at anything modern

[dire kayak]

easy to play isn't an issue at all lol, if it's not easy I have plenty of time to invest to learn and practice stuff, if u left out stuff u thought was hard u could include it

[sterile valley]

isnt a lot of their older stuff in drop C? i thought almost all of constellations was

[fervent fox]

Correct! On the Guardians album they have songs in an Alternative Drop C variation (it’s in relation to the DADGAD tuning)

[gleaming wing]

Same

[lethal fractal]

[gleaming wing]

It's just better

And then you don't have to share because nobody else wants it

[lethal fractal]

True

My partner won't even touch it lmao

[storm mulch]

Dark chocolate isn’t too bad

But like I prefer milk a lot more

Idk why this channel had a whole conversation about chocolate but

[wind mauve]

i was trying to eat the guitars

i say was

i am still trying* to eat the guitars

[open fjord]

Wat

Eat guitars?

[devout echo]

i think bro's high

[bright latch]

what tuning and the tabs for this song? https://youtu.be/HZdCE8kkTSI?feature=shared

[open fjord]

Mark Tremonti shared this earlier today.

Recording his 6th solo album.

[wind mauve]

crunchy

[bright latch]

I tried to figure out the notes but it’s so hard since I have no musical training

[lethal fractal]

Gotta keep trying thats the only way anyone else here is going to figure it out.
You have already asked, there isn't anything online. It's a good skill to keep practicing and developing.

[full hedge]

New amp day

[dry parrot]

thats cool

i have a crush pro combo, it sounds pretty nice

[lethal fractal]

I just grabbed another combo

It's loud as hell

[lethal fractal]

I have a love hate relationship with orange amps

[storm mulch]

I forgot I left my cabinet or whatever the fuck the big Amps called at a gig

Oops

[lethal fractal]

Yes cabinet/cab, they aren't big amps I wish haha.
You managed to get the thing back at all? Never fun to leave gear at venues even practices.

[storm mulch]

I’m getting them back

Luckily

I know the guy who owns the place

Called me a dwarf😒

But yea ima go their tomorrow and hopefully it’s in one piece

[lethal fractal]

Fingers crossed

[full hedge]

whys that lol

[lethal fractal]

Love how the sound for 1/4 of the stuff I do, hate them for the rest, love how different they look though I think their amp heads are some of the ugliest things on this planet.

[full hedge]

Lmao fair enough, I love em for that early 2000s sound a lot of my favorite Albums were with an orange. Idk it's also fun to pull up to a live show and see how people react when I play modern drop like G# metalcore with one

[lethal fractal]

A lot of bands still play them and they sound great… I own one and got friends with plenty

[pastel citrus]

This is a problem

[toxic wharf]

https://youtu.be/9e73c7YgBjA?si=TjQA94gjL790Mc99

This guy has lost my respect for not refering to where he got 'his' technique from

Even Tosin who arguably introduced this to technique to the metal guitar world always mentions Wooten and Brewer

Also rather a boring application of thumping lol

[balmy vortex]

New arrivals

[wind mauve]

the purple one would be dope asf if it wasn't glittery

the pink one's sick tho but i would've put the lighter wood neck on that one

[lethal fractal]

I want both of them

[dire kayak]

my $90 bass arrives today

I guess we'll see how it works

[lethal fractal]

Oh boy

[high tangle]

I basically use this bad boy

[sterile valley]

alright so i'm looking into saving up for a 7 string. i've never owned one and only played one for the first time yesterday. a local shop has a Jackson dinky for $280 (cad). which is tempting. im worried about spending > $800 and then not liking it. however from my past experience i know that if i do like it, i'll inevitably want to upgrade anyway. and thus leave me with trying to sell a crappy guitar and taking a bit of a hit. My question is, what would be the price point aim for a "step up" from the Jackson without maybe hitting the Grand mark? 7/8-ish?

[wind mauve]

check out schecter they've got some solid picks in the $800 range iirc

they also do a lot of sales and stuff on their website

[lethal fractal]

Ibanez as well, I'd recommend looking on the used market as well lots of good guitars being sold there.

[sterile valley]

awesome. thanks peeps

[bronze orbit]

This is one of my guitars the Ibanez RG6003FM

I also have this

Ibanez Axion Label RGD71ALMS

I love this guitar it’s gonna be my new stage guitar it’s fucking amazing

[ember inlet]

If I ever buy a 7 string it will probably be this one

[fervent fox]

I see a couple of those flying around my local area on FB marketplace. Some for good prices and trades

[bronze orbit]

I got it new because I got my tax return and I was like when ever I get enough for it I’m buying it

[storm mulch]

Almost confused it for my guitar the RGA42EX

[toxic wharf]

Are you an oceans ate Alaska fan?

[dry parrot]

i need help tuning the low g on a bass

someone help

my tuner cant pick it up

my ear can hardly pick it up

@lethal fractal you do low tuned stuff

u got advice

[lethal fractal]

I mean getting a better tuner... You can always play the 12 fret or 5th fret or even harmonics to tell if it's in tune as well

[dry parrot]

the harmonics worked perfectly

ty

such a simple solution that for some reason i hadnt even considered until you mentioned

[lethal fractal]

Good to hear :)
It's how we tune when playing classical guitar tune by the harmonics

[dry parrot]

now

i still have a pitch shifter plugin

how low can i go

[lethal fractal]

Pretty low

[dry parrot]

also im not a person that knows a lot about bass

but this bass is pretty damn nice for 90 bucks

120 with shipping

[lethal fractal]

I got a bass coming into the shop soon similar price the thing is in bad shape.

I wonder how the action on that bass is

[dry parrot]

well

out of the box it wasnt good

but ik guitars so it was easy to fix for me

[lethal fractal]

Good haha

[dry parrot]

i may have to fix the truss rod later

but im feeling lazy rn

[lethal fractal]

I have to relocate a bridge on a bass as it isn't straight

[dry parrot]

the neck is prefectly straight, not a slight bow like it should be

how does that even happen

[lethal fractal]

Cheap instruments bad QC although it looks like a buld your own bass and I think the original owner was just dumb

[dry parrot]

i feel bad i bought a 5 string bass almost solely to use the last string

[lethal fractal]

Send pic of the bass plsss

[dry parrot]

theres a chip on it but thats my own fault

im a clumsy dumbass and hit my ceiling fan with it

[lethal fractal]

Haha it happens

[dry parrot]

the scale length is a lot

ill send a pic in a sec

[lethal fractal]

Oksy

[lethal fractal]

You measure it?

[dry parrot]

no but its tall

ill show an example of what i mean

on a regular floor stand, its the same height as a guitar on an elevated floor stand which i made for my jackson v

[lethal fractal]

I wonder if it says on the website... although basses are a lot longer anyway

[dry parrot]

yeah its prob a normal bass

ive only played a bass a few times in my life

not even played

poorly hit a few notes

i can send the amazon link

[dire kayak]

this is the comparison

[dry parrot]

sorry theres two accs, one is mobile one is pc

[lethal fractal]

I looked up bass online and these are the two first things to show up wtf

[dry parrot]

lol

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CG3YY9FM
this is the exact one i bought

i considered getting natural but i figured black matches my current guitars more

[lethal fractal]

Nice

[lethal fractal]

Hard to tell from the pictures... Can you play the high string all the way up the board?

Looks like it's just falling off but I really can't tell

[dry parrot]

just a bad picture

yeah its good

[lethal fractal]

Cool

[dry parrot]

now the issue will be finding a place for it

[lethal fractal]

This is how bad it is on the bass I'll be working on it just falls right off...

[lethal fractal]

Ha ya

[dry parrot]

wow

at some point you've gotta figure cost of repairs exceeds the value of the instrument

for some people

also this guitar came with a nice nylon braided cable, will actually be able to use it

[lethal fractal]

Luckily he's my buddy so it's not as expensive... Although ya I still think if you have abunch of cheap guitars trade them all for something nicer.

[dry parrot]

well i have a bunch of cheap guitars but i have a short attention span for songs and jump around tunings a lot

and ive set them up so they play really nicely

[lethal fractal]

Ya for sure.

[dry parrot]

and then i have one nicer guitar for if i wanna record somethingo or play live or whatever

[lethal fractal]

Ya for sure.

[dire kayak]

shoukd i put it in the plasticky gig bag and under my bed

[dry parrot]

why one send before the other

stupid discord

[dire kayak]

where do i put the bass

[silk wren]

Dear ESP can you make good looking guitars I can afford

[lethal fractal]

,I fell asleep whoops, might be time to rearrange the whole room

[cobalt bobcat]

If a Floyd rose is poorly set up will it cause a high E string to jsut delete

I swear I've had the guitar since crimis and it's eaten 3-4 high e strings

Or would I need to polish the frets to help them not break it, idr if it was from running or playing I've broke the string

[fervent fox]

Define affordable?

[silk wren]

I’m broke af because metal bands don’t make money for like the first 5 years so I have like 3k in the bank to cover my expenses until the next record releases

I have been using a Kramer SM1 for the past 7 years as my only guitar that is good enough to play live and on recordings

And it’s pretty fucked up

The next guitar I was planning on buying was a ESP but I was looking back before Covid happened so I basically can’t afford any high-quality guitar

I’m looking for a great workhorse that looks good so I can play it live

I love Ibanez but the models I like have just been rising in price consistently every year

[fervent fox]

Hmmmmmmmmmm I would say your best bet is to find one that’s used but in excellent condition. This way the price can be knocked down because most ESPs do sell over a grand unfortunately. The ESP Arrow I bought was selling for $850 when it normally sells for $1200 new. I got lucky but it could work for anyone.
Either that or you can finance which I get is not a favorite thing to do for most people. Just keep your eyes out on the online marketplaces or around shops in your area and you might find something g you’ll like and can afford

[silk wren]

I’m gonna check out Solar Guitar’s website and see any b-stock that is still good quality

Maybe try to find some used Ibanez prestige models

[lethal fractal]

Where is the string breaking?

[lethal fractal]

This is a great idea

[dire kayak]

the only issues I've had have been not screwing it in perfectly, so it falls out

or not fals

it sounds like breaking but it's fine

just have to screw it back in

[silk wren]

I stay with all my band mates in the same 4 bedroom house with a recording studio that kills us with bills so it’s all I can afford

[dire kayak]

have you considered learning to record yourself, and go to the studio for mixing

might save a bit

[lethal fractal]

I think the studio is charging in a different way could be wrong

[lethal fractal]

I almost always recommend looking for a used prestige, they play great a usually just need a little bit of work which in the end is a lot cheaper still

[silk wren]

I don’t care if they finish is fucked up or anything just because I’m probably gonna graffiti the body with the band logo and everything

[lethal fractal]

For sure.

[dire kayak]

in that case look for used fair condition lol

whatever tier is for parts/repair

above*

[silk wren]

I purposely look for the ones with the worst finish That way the paint sticks are better

[lethal fractal]

Finishes can always be changed... Just make sure it doesn't have a lot of electrical issues and mechanical issues.

Big ones anyways, you may need some fret work with a used one depending how used but there shouldn't be anything more then basic things like that.

[silk wren]

I already ordered some Fishman fluence Killswitch Engage signature pick ups, so I’m not very worried about electrical issues. I just want the body and neck to be perfect.

I hate almost any trio bar on a guitar just because it fucks the tuning stability

[lethal fractal]

Tremolo bar?

If you have a good trem system you will have good tuning stability...

[toxic wharf]

Yeah the tuning stability argument is BS. A trem system thats set up right can have better tuning stability than a non floating bridge

A perfect neck is gonna cost ya tho...at least if you want a guitar with proper fret treatment out of the factory

[lethal fractal]

He's looking used

Biggest thing I see with the tuning stability is people not stretching the strings.

[toxic wharf]

How much for used Prestiges? 1500?

[lethal fractal]

Probably around that

[toxic wharf]

Some probably around 2000

[lethal fractal]

From a quick search on my end 1,200 CAD although none look it good shape.

[fervent fox]

$1500 would be the correct estimate for a used prestige model IF nothings wrong with it

Now if your blessed with the gift of haggling you might be able to test your luck on changing the price

[lethal fractal]

There are ways to get them for free

[dire kayak]

can confirm, my hardtail guitars go out of tune more/faster than my Floyd ones

the worst stability imo is the strat style tremolo

i have that on my gio, it goes out of tune in minutes it feels like

while using the tremolo bar

without it's fine

what I don't like about Floyd guitars is I wrest my wrist on the bridge, and that can make notes sound out of tune

[lethal fractal]

All the bridges have their ups and downs

[dire kayak]

I've never even seen an evertune irl, much less played one

but I've heard they're good

[fervent fox]

I’m hoping the next 7 string I buy has the Evertune system as I too have never played with one. There’s currently 2 model ESPs I have in my sites that have it and I want one of them

[vapid axle]

I got new strings yippee

My 8 string had really fucked up strings

[cobalt bobcat]

I've had it break around each end and I don't remember where else

[lethal fractal]

Is it only when using the whammy or just randomly when playing?

Sharp edges sometimes happen during manufacturing and can cause issues though plenty of other things

[cobalt bobcat]

I haven't really used the whammy

So just from playing

[lethal fractal]

Could be a sharp edge somewhere then or just it not being properly setup and you have to much tension on the string.

[toxic wharf]

Yeah, you have to adjust a litttle bit

[silk wren]

@lethal fractal I’m buying this

It already matches the scheme of my band perfectly so I don’t even have to mess with it

It also has a 15,000 wound humbucker so it will be super hot and get those good squeals

[lethal fractal]

Not my favorite guitar, though if you like it and will use it then get it.

[dry parrot]

why should i take the time to learn bass when i can play it like a guitar

this is the intro to decapitation fornication but slowed down by a lot

[balmy vortex]

Because playing bass is a whole different approach than guitar.

[vapid axle]

How pitch harmonic 😭😭

I’ve never seemed to got it down

[lethal fractal]

https://youtu.be/y17THWYUpUw?si=TbSBfn_Lpv2ea_RD

All you are doing is picking a string and hitting a harmonic right after... you're fretboard has the obvious ones at 5, 7 and 12 and these repeat at 17, 19 and 24 these once again repeat although you don't have the fretboard to visualize this so you can just feel it out. There are other harmonics as well you can find and use.

[vapid axle]

This makes a lot more sense

I know I’m gonna fuck up the side of my thumb when I get home but it’s worth it

[lethal fractal]

You don't need to dig in hard, especially on any strings that aren't wound you just want to touch them. I even learned how to do a weird thing where I pick down and then up fast to make contact with the string and it makes the harmonic. Though ya don't need to kill your finger.

[open fjord]

https://youtu.be/dPS_hM2Fh3E?si=k2s7Rsc7WNEjRbpb

[keen pulsar]

I also recommend the C-1 Apocalypse, the crimson one, I think it is bit cheaper than the Sullivan King model.

[quasi mirage]

Increasing your gain can help a little

Helped me at least

[vapid axle]

Ik about that part

I always have extra gain and bass on

Cause it sounds FAT

[quasi mirage]

I usually set my bass around a solid 7

I boost my mids a lot

Makes it sound more full

I actually use similar EQ settings for both my bass and guitar

[vapid axle]

I tried to pitch harmonic and I still suck

[lethal fractal]

Took me weeks to get anywhere close to somewhat consistent and I still mess them up from time to time

[vapid axle]

Yeah but my thumb is fucked now

[lethal fractal]

You either are not doing it right or got mega baby fingers

[lethal fractal]

You just have to lightly touch the string I tilt my hand ever so slightly forward it works backwards as well just have to find what works best for you. Pick the string and just follow through with you them I make contact with the side of the knuckle on my thumb but you might find another spot works better

Plenty of gain as well makes a big difference although seems like you got that.

[vapid axle]

I just suck that’s it

[lethal fractal]

Keep practicing you will find your sweet spot. I remember when I was taught how to palm mute and it seemed revolutionary now I just do it lol

[vapid axle]

How do i fix this garbage tone

[lethal fractal]

What are your amp settings and your gear

[vapid axle]

Bruh I got this amp at a goodwill like a thousand years ago

I have no clue

[lethal fractal]

Any pedals? Send a pick of the amp.

[lethal fractal]

Treble down, mids up, bass is fine turn up the volume probably a bit turn the gaine to like 3 o'clock.
Though a new amp would be best for a better tone.

[vapid axle]

I’m saving up for a better amp that’s small enough to carry around

[lethal fractal]

I got 4 I'm selling haha

[lethal fractal]

My favorite amp I own is a PRS Sonzera 20
Though I still prefer DSP over any physical amp I own.

[storm mulch]

I’m tryna get my studio set up I wanna use dsp soosososoososososoos bad

[lethal fractal]

I'm working on my studio atm

Old picture but the newest one I gave nothing much has changed

[storm mulch]

Damn I just bought the pc and the stuff for my daw and silly stuff

It’s gonna be a while

[lethal fractal]

For sure

Good place to start.

[wind mauve]

question for the digital audio connoisseurs

i was looking into grabbing an IR pack, are they generally useful/worth it?

i’d be loading it into my nDSP

[lethal fractal]

I mean yes if you will use them.

[wind mauve]

i probably would

im just curious how IR packs react when loaded in nDSP

[verbal fossil]

i have 2 custom IRs someone here provided me and i can't get the same tone with any of the built in ones with the gojira/gojira X plugin

[balmy vortex]

Absolutely

[wind mauve]

word, i was looking at i want to say the Impact Audio set

it was like Japanese classics or smth

https://impactsoundworks.com/product/tokyo-cab-pack-volume-1/

yeah this thing with my archetype nolly

this is the same company that does those Shreddage MIDI guitars as well

[wind mauve]

yeah this shit sound dope as hell, worth

[lethal fractal]

Nice

[high tangle]

0% skill but here ya go

[plush elbow]

hello, I bought a bass

what do I do on the Xs

[plush elbow]

with the power of epic distortion, anything can sound metal enough

[high tangle]

Them are dead notes bruv

[plush elbow]

is it bad i had to google that?

[verbal fossil]

it just muting the strings with your left hand and not pressing on any fret and play the string

[wind mauve]

do you got hella reverb on that

i wouldn't use reverb for rhythm

[fervent fox]

Muted notes

[lethal fractal]

Accidentally plays harmonic 0_0

[verbal fossil]

lol

unless you have 1 finger on the strings it won't play harmonics

[lethal fractal]

Yea... you might get the faint ringing.

[fervent fox]

Y’all ever wondered what switching tunings on the fly with a Floyd Rose was ever gonna look like? Well I found this today

Want some advice? Just buy 2 guitars

[wind mauve]

my guitar teacher has something like that

little knob on the trem he can pull and it drop tunes the sixth string instantly

he also built his guitar from scratch tho so it’s just kind of all sorts of odd

[fervent fox]

It’s the D-Tuna system but it’s really meant for guitars with a specific build for their Floyd Rose bridges. Most of the locking trem bridges can’t support such a thing due in part to the spacings that are made in the bridge cutaways. You would literally have to cut an opening (which is what this dude did) in order to have one installed. I just think it’s needless butchering of a perfectly made guitar imo

[balmy vortex]

or you get an tremelno device

[wind mauve]

my teacher's guitar doesnt have the cutaway, the bridge is mounted right onto the body, so there's no additional openings cut or anything

[open fjord]

Ewww Floyds.

[fervent fox]

I just got done watching a video on that nifty lil device. Seems good for the options it presents but it’s still a hassle to put on and setup properly me thinks.

[balmy vortex]

It's not that bad

Because the bridge will be leaning on the tremelno device instead of free floating

[fervent fox]

I get that…but how often are you going to be changing tunings on fly?

I believe in the 2 guitar method because it’s more realistic

[lethal fractal]

I do 2 guitars for each style

[wind mauve]

anyone here heard of harley benton guitars? got recommended them on another server and fanned fret $300 7s sound pretty good but legator does it too and legator has a reputation

i mean a bad reputation that is but yeah we're askin bout harley benton

[nimble jungle]

Legator isn’t worth it

[wind mauve]

yo im gonna underline the salient points

so people dont get confused

[nimble jungle]

From what I can tell if you get any of their lower end models they aren’t QC’d well

[wind mauve]

yeah imma need you to like

go back

and read my messages again

i've made it more clear

[nimble jungle]

Why’d you mention them then lol

[wind mauve]

point of comparison

[nimble jungle]

But HB is better

[wind mauve]

same price same features

my mate has one he'll sell me for $200

[nimble jungle]

I have a few friends who have HB and they seem really good

I’ve played one it’s cool

[wind mauve]

hmmm

interesting

[nimble jungle]

you should really look into Dean tho

Amazing guitars

[wind mauve]

no multiscale

two seven string options

i'll be aight

[nimble jungle]

They have 7 strings and multiscals

[wind mauve]

do they have seven string multiscales

cause i didnt see any when i looked

[nimble jungle]

Though if you want one of those I suggest getting it used lmao