Guitars & Bass

[balmy vortex]

I mean I'd recommend 12-58 personally but 12-62 is very doable

[toxic wharf]

Each to their own. I wouldnt recommend it.

[balmy vortex]

After the right setup it could work very well

[balmy vortex]

Have you ever experimented with this stuff to a degree that you can confidently say it would or wouldn't work. Without going into just the physics.

[toxic wharf]

Yes, thats why I wouldnt downtune my standard 7 string under drop A and for lower tunings I only use multiscale

Its becomes a pain to keep the intonation right

I used to work in a small instrument shop and did set ups all the time so I do know very well how to set my instruments

[balmy vortex]

We try our best to keep everything we have setup

[toxic wharf]

And Ive also played in plenty of bands and you try either mixing or playing live with it and I can tell it sounds like shit

[balmy vortex]

Don't think that ffaa or taim are that bad sounding for their low tunings

[toxic wharf]

I think they use a 26.5 or something scale length on a 7 string.

But like I said..whatever floats your boat. I wouldnt recommend pumping strings above 0.6 on a 6 string and tune lower than drop A

You make life unnecesary hard. Theres a reason theres specific guitars built for that tonal region

[balmy vortex]

Time uses 25.5

[bright latch]

I got another live video of the band

https://youtu.be/9wx_V9dB2NQ

[wintry nova]

Thanks for the suggestion, I guess would need a baritone for that

[toxic wharf]

Its just an example, a longer scale 7 string guitar is perfectly fine as well

[karmic cargo]

got this for my bday today so i can actually have a look in this channel for once lmao

[lethal fractal]

Have fun

[cyan sedge]

BASSSS

I love bass

[wintry nova]

My only problem is money, I wish I had the cash to afford a baritone six string

[native sandal]

Get the baritone slinkies

[wintry nova]

Oh, I’ve never seen those

Or I might have seen some but I just didn’t notice at the time

[lethal fractal]

Finally taking my 6 string in to get repaired been a while since I've been able to play it

[wintry nova]

Bro I need to get all of my guitars fixed and refinished cuz they really need more care than I thought

[lethal fractal]

The two trust rods in my one neck are a pain to setup.

[wintry nova]

The bridge is completely broken on one of them (my first guitar I ever bought) where you can’t even adjust it properly, and one of my other ones which unfortunately has a Floyd rose bridge is SUPER hard to figure out and tune properly

[acoustic tiger]

I had that guitar years ago. Had EMG non actives. I loved it

[cedar ruin]

Hi guys
So I’m in the market for a 7 string and I have a budget of 1500 and I was wondering what you guys would recommend for that price range as I am not sure what to go for

[vital carbon]

I second this! I'm in the same boat, I purchased the JP70 and all the reviews said not to buy it so I cancelled the order.

[vital carbon]

I was directed toward The Omen Elite and some Ibanez options.

I watched all the shred collabs and it really seems like it doesnt matter wtf we are playing, guys playing strats to majesty guitars.

[cedar ruin]

I see, the jp70 was on my mind but wasn’t too sure as you said about the reviews, the elites look sick, another option I was thing was the solar a.1.7 vinter pearl white

[verbal fossil]

for 1.5k i got myself a solar S1.7 evertune purple burst but i think it's now 1.6k

[toxic wharf]

For 1500 Id go Ibanez and not look further

[verbal fossil]

yea sadly it's now 1.6k€

[wind mauve]

seconded

[verbal fossil]

this one

[wind mauve]

check out something like the axion label RG7

or the headless QX527

[toxic wharf]

Ive heard good stuff bout Solar tho

[verbal fossil]

and never been more satisfied by a guitar than this one

[toxic wharf]

But not too big of a Schecter guy myself. Theyve had some issues

I like the Solar headstocks a lot

[verbal fossil]

and it plays insanely well too

[wind mauve]

meanwhile me who's only been lookin at headless guitars

[toxic wharf]

Yeah ive heard its a good company (Solar)

[wind mauve]

i was looking at i believe it was the reaper 7 from schecter

and was turned off by the significantly shorter scale length and a lot of reviews complaining that it just straight up couldn't be tuned low

it's not even 25.5" iirc

[toxic wharf]

So 24.75?

[wind mauve]

yeah

for a seven string

[toxic wharf]

Lol

[wind mauve]

"designed for metal"

[toxic wharf]

I mean..

[cedar ruin]

That looks sick and it’s got an evertune that’s awesome

[wind mauve]

my $300 ibanez 7 is 25.5

[toxic wharf]

Drop B is easily achieveable

[wind mauve]

7s are tuned to B standard?

out the box that is

[cedar ruin]

Yep I when I get one I’m probably gonna go to drop g#

[wind mauve]

im on drop g myself

[toxic wharf]

I hardly downtune anymore

[wind mauve]

probably what i'll stick to honestly

full step under B standard with the B string dropped one

[verbal fossil]

i had issue to tune lower than drop A/G# and keep it stable on a schecter demon 7 with a 74 gauge string with a 26.5" scale length and now with the solar i'm in drop F# with that 74 gauge and it's super stable

[wind mauve]

if i need to go lower i'll pitch shift

[cedar ruin]

What scale length is the solar

[verbal fossil]

26.5" too

[cedar ruin]

Ah

I’m not much of a schecter guy but I like the look of the Tao 7 although it’s a bit out of my budget I heard pretty good things about it

[verbal fossil]

a short snippet of how the solar sounds like it's not mixed at all btw and it's running through the archetype plini X for the clean and archetype petrucci for the distrotion

and the bass is the new djinnbass 2

[wind mauve]

personally im still sold on that legator i was looking at but i completely understand why not everyone is

[verbal fossil]

i've tried once a legator but it's been a while i don't really remember how it plays

it was before covid lmao

i said it in the message

[cedar ruin]

😭 just read it, should be paying more attention

I use the Petrucci one too but I run it through ggd zilla cabs

[verbal fossil]

well i disable the distortion pedal on the petrucci and made my own distortion pedal with fabfilter saturn 2

[cedar ruin]

Nice

[wind mauve]

one of my buddies in college has one he loves the thing

the one i was looking at was their "ghost" 7 string model

[verbal fossil]

the one i tried was a ninja i think

if my memory is not bad it was that one but in a natural finish with a black fade at the bottom like here

and it had a killswitch too

[wind mauve]

my buddy's one is a ninja but it's one of the budget ones

the ghost is basically the same but it's headless

i was lookin at either the white wood one or the gray gradient one that has the same fretboard wood like this one

[lethal fractal]

Setting up some lights for under my guitars... I got 2 more pucks but need to go grab batteries.

[toxic wharf]

they couldve atleast made it symmetric 😭

[vital carbon]

I just wandered over to guitar center and they had a demon 7 used for 300$ and I snagged it and will try it for a week

I said screw it, I just need a 7 to play some riffs.

[wintry nova]

Based

[vital carbon]

Went right to dream theater, I knew I was bad but not this bad. It’s a crazy new world to explore, I’m 38 so I waited way to fucking long to buy a 7…

[lethal fractal]

I find 7 is a good middle ground 8 string is more specialty then 9 string is for super specific things or just wanting to do dumb stuff I honestly think everyone would benefit from playing a 9 string because 7 and 6 feel super small and makes playing feel much easier.

Have fun with your 7

[vital carbon]

Thanks!! Been playing about an hour, laughing at myself for not being able to play Babymetal or Dream Theater but JP is the prog god after all so what the fuck did I expect. Im excited regardless and it just brings a smile to my face to be able to hack my way thru Glass Prison.

[lethal fractal]

Nice, I can look to see if I have the 5 scale patterns still written down for 7 string somewhere and share it if I do, if that's something that would be helpful.
Though you may already know all the theory and have figured them out.

[vital carbon]

Ohh brother, that would be amazing! I'm a much more talented drummer but I can play guitar enough to get myself in some trouble spending $$$ as well as some piano and bass.

[lethal fractal]

Nice

[vital carbon]

I know some scales and such but really never trained my hand to rip with all 4 fingers so Im doing a bit of grinding on the basics again to build up some dexterity.

[lethal fractal]

Good to hear

[vital carbon]

The 7 string neck feels rather thick in my hand after playing a strat for 10 years

[lethal fractal]

It really does the first time I picked up one it felt big, now here I am with a 9 string 7 feels tiny

[vital carbon]

holy shit 9 adds what? 3 more lower strings?

[nova pagoda]

yea

[vital carbon]

thats insane bro 9 strings lol

[lethal fractal]

Yes to a standard 6

[vital carbon]

christ that must be a face melter

[lethal fractal]

It's a wrist breaker

[nova pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyH78TNNm4c&pp=ygUhZmFtb3VzIGd1aXRhcmlzdHMgdHJ5IGEgOSBzdHJpbmcg

[vital carbon]

Holy sheeeet!

thats beautiful!

[nova pagoda]

i see that you like it thicc

[lethal fractal]

I have 6 (small) binder of guitar practice stuff and theory hopefully I have the page somewhere

I have a tapping run for power rangers... Pretty fun.

[vital carbon]

Jesus bro its so fucking thicc, watching the video, its friggen nuts!

[lethal fractal]

Haha

It's like a 6 string bass maybe a bit smaller been a bit since I have played one

[vital carbon]

Is this from the mansion?

[lethal fractal]

Yes

[vital carbon]

epic

[lethal fractal]

That video

[vital carbon]

haha hes like "its not in tune what the fuck are you doing!?!"

its like cardboard 😂

the fucking neck could double as a cutting board

[lethal fractal]

yea haha...

I don't have the sheet but when I have the time I will write it back out and send you it

[vital carbon]

thats huge, no rush and much appreciated.

[lethal fractal]

no worries I have been really busy last little bit so might not be able to get it to you till Friday though will see what I can do

[vital carbon]

stupid question, do companies like Ibanez and Schecter ect ect change the color schemes of the guitars each year?

[toxic wharf]

Not necessarily but for some guitars they hardly add anything new, slap on a new paintjob and call it a new model

[nocturne trout]

anyone's thoughts on this?

[cedar ruin]

That looks awesome, you a lefty?

It looks like if Jake bowens sig had a reskin

[nocturne trout]

Yeah!

[nocturne trout]

probably cuz of the pickups ig

[nova pagoda]

That guitar is amazing. But don't forget that She's heavy.

[gritty garden]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-and-patrick-stranger-danger-afraid-scared-panic-gif-8354587

Also I don't think we can be friends anymore 🤣

[karmic cargo]

what cos i own a bass lmfao

[gritty garden]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-degendojo-oh-yeah-absolutely-definitely-gif-26753665

[karmic cargo]

bruh

[verbal fossil]

the only true bass to own here

[gritty garden]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-i-hate-you-why-are-you-the-way-that-you-are-gif-16413561

😂

[lethal fractal]

What would we consider the difference between a rythm and lead guitar tone, I want to do a little bit of a cleaner crunch tone for some of the tapping rythm parts and I'm not sure if that would world or make sense in a mix.

[wind mauve]

generally my rhythm tones have more bass and more lower end

and i like my lead tones to have more gain, less bass, and more treble/mids, usually with some reverb

[verbal fossil]

same for me i usually have more bass on the rhythm tone and more trebles/presence on the lead one with reverb and delay and sometimes some chorus too

so theses are my rhythm tone and my lead tone actually my rhythm tone is slightly different when recording since i use fabfilter saturn 2 as a distortion pedal instead of the one in petrucci and here i'm using the standalone plugins so i can't use saturn 2

also for the lead tone i use the plini X

[lethal fractal]

I currently only have nolly so will have to work with that for now.

But cool good to know

[wind mauve]

speaking of distortion pedals

i am entirely unconvinced by the plini x one

if i got a physical distortion pedal and plugged it in would that work?

[verbal fossil]

if you want a clean DI to work with after the distortion pedal will always be there but if you have a way to get both the clean DI and the distorted DI go for it tbh

[wind mauve]

my question is

if i buy a distortion pedal, plug my guitar into it and plug into the audio interface

will it work

[verbal fossil]

yes but the DI will not be clean anymore

[wind mauve]

i see

that sounds like a problem for later me

[gritty garden]

Good thing I'm only fucking with you 😂

[vital carbon]

can someone explain to a fool why the frets are like this?

[verbal fossil]

basically to optimize the string tension

to make it very simple

[vital carbon]

so its like new tech designs

it seems like it would be hard to play

[verbal fossil]

lower notes needs longer strings to get a better tension an clarity as for higher notes they don't need it as much

and it also helps intonation

[vital carbon]

so this guitar would "sound better" than say the RG550

[verbal fossil]

and it's not primarily for aesthetics

[vital carbon]

intonation wise

[verbal fossil]

it would be more accurate yes

[vital carbon]

interesting

[verbal fossil]

espacially if you tune low

i tried 2 multiscale guitars one 6 string with 27.5" and 25.5" scale lengths and one 7 strings with 27" and 25.5" and the more the difference and the less strings you have the harder it is to play

[vital carbon]

I dont think im good enough to play something like that

I would be curious to play one tho and see if I can personally hear the difference

[gritty garden]

Fan Fret is the term

[lethal fractal]

Yea what was said... Fanned frets take a little bit of time to get used to though it's still all the same notes.

[gritty garden]

Everytime I see that guitar I just think of Jibs from Oceans Ate Alaska

[lethal fractal]

I'm excited for the evertunes that support fanned guitars they won't be cheap but I'd like to have one someday

[vital carbon]

I mentioned before Im really a drummer at heart but can play other instruments well enough to waste my money away. Im also a video game dev working on combat flight simulation content and my team wants me to write a soundtrack for the product so no pressure there. The plane is from Vietnam era so 60's vibe would be my first thought but I cant write 60's style and war seems more metal to me anyway so Im gonna take a stab exploring some metal/prog ideas.

[wind mauve]

you ever played ace combat?

[vital carbon]

I might have to see if some of you guys that can really shred wanna get paid so rip some solos!!

[vital carbon]

Yes sir, we are currently developing a plane for DCS World.

[wind mauve]

ahhh i see

is it also gonna cost $150

like the rest of the DCS planes

[lethal fractal]

That's sounds really fun, being a drummer will be helpful for all your rythms... I love polyrhythmic music and funky rythms.

[vital carbon]

$49.99 for our F-100 ❤️

I just hope I can come up with some riffs that arent too cringe lol

and I guess everything doesnt need to be played on the 7 string but I def need a few face melting tracks

[lethal fractal]

https://discord.com/channels/384935929791512577/1095992147968262144

If you want people to give there thoughts about stuff you write.

Their*

[vital carbon]

oooo, huge I was just about to ask about getting feedback on ideas!

[lethal fractal]

[blazing flare]

What tuning did nik use for the newest song? Is it drop a? Or b?

[verbal fossil]

the taylor swift one?

[toxic wharf]

Plini aint a distortion pedal, but a tubescreamer style OD-pedal.

[toxic wharf]

Really depends what I wanna go for. Sometimes its the same with the lead just having some delay, compression and reverb.

Also pick up selection does wonders at times.

[wind mauve]

at any rate it doesn't seem to sound good to me no matter what i do

the amp itself i managed to get what i think is a solid metal core sound

[toxic wharf]

What are you trying to do with it?

[wind mauve]

trying to use it to help round out the mid and high end and make it just kind of sound more, well, distorted

[toxic wharf]

It works fine to tighten up some low end on the Plini, but it doesnt do a whole lot more than that.

Like any overdrive pedal I would say.

[toxic wharf]

Well adding distortion to the high end will generally make it fizzy and not so pleasant.

Perhaps fool around with the cab section as well.

[wind mauve]

the cab section i did actually figure out

and it significantly contributes to the sound

[severe flume]

Someone watched the new Jason Richardson video

[wind mauve]

i just can't get the OD pedal to do it in a meaningful way

[verbal fossil]

i had it even before the video released but i watched it anyway

[native sandal]

I want one!!!

[toxic wharf]

Hmm...I dont know what you are trying to do with the OD-pedal. Ive had no issues with any archetype so far. The OD-pedals do what they must.

[severe flume]

French?

[verbal fossil]

yes

[severe flume]

Jason is so underrated

[severe flume]

Pareil

[verbal fossil]

nice

[severe flume]

fr

[wind mauve]

c'est dommage :(

[wind mauve]

at any rate, like i said i found the actual amp to be pretty good

[verbal fossil]

why?

[wind mauve]

amp number 3, took a bit off the low and put a bit on the medium and high, put the gain up, bass down just a bit before noon, and high treble/mid

[wind mauve]

je suis canadien

[verbal fossil]

quebec right? i try to keep speaking english here since not everyone speaks french

[wind mauve]

non

they taught me french tho

in school

[verbal fossil]

oh ok

[lethal fractal]

Save up :)

They are really fun and versatile

[lethal fractal]

Does anyone here use guitar pro for writing tabs or things of the sort?

[lethal fractal]

https://youtu.be/4g0AnYHDvWU?si=cLlw_1P0kUKK83Ga

Best video ever

[wind mauve]

is this like a bit

cause

i would buy that in a heartbeat

ok its a bit lol

[lethal fractal]

Hehe ya

[wintry nova]

My epic Jackson warrior 🔥

[lethal fractal]

I don't know how to feel about that apart of me loves it the other half is confused... I bet it plays and sounds great though.

I've noticed I hold my pick way to tight

[vital carbon]

sick bro!

[lethal fractal]

My dog loves it... I opened up the photo and he stared at it for Luke 3 minutes.

[lethal fractal]

Might learn how to pick with the trailing edge as well.

[silver pewter]

guys what you think of Kustom ‘72 coupe tube amp

[silver pewter]

Or what is the the only high gain amp i need

[true glen]

Saw that a week ago or so, made me giggle lol

[wintry nova]

Thanks bro

[wintry nova]

Yeah but considering my guitar skills are not that good but I’m at least trying to learn lmao

[vital carbon]

We are never not learning

[lethal fractal]

Time it takes time

Yep

[wintry nova]

Fr

[lethal fractal]

I had somewhere around 6 years of music experience before picking up guitar and I came from Trump which in my opinion to get it sounding good is much harder... So I have been progressing pretty fast but we all can improve

[vital carbon]

it gets really complicated when your fav bands play such amazingly difficult music

Trying to imitate legends is never easy

[lethal fractal]

I've been slowly grinding away at thr newest archspire record their music sucks to play

I would challenge you to go learn the drums

[wintry nova]

That’s just me but with trying to learn death songs

[blazing flare]

The deathphonk one

[native sandal]

Hold up, why tf does Kahler make 10 string tremolos?

[toxic wharf]

Cause a 10 string guitar will sound 💩 so might as well slap a useless trem on it

[lethal fractal]

A guy in a server I'm in has a 10 string designed for two handed tapping kinda neat.

[lethal fractal]

Those frets are also interesting

https://youtu.be/hj025aTC3l0?si=F8Kmfj0TiVDdkzdA

[wind mauve]

bro put his bass in the washing machine on hot

[verbal fossil]

isn't that one of mark from kardavox academy's old band?

[severe flume]

You're french too?

[wind mauve]

good heavens no

i’m Canadian

[severe flume]

..

[lethal fractal]

I keep stumbling onto this video and I hate it:
https://youtube.com/shorts/6-f0eYpfwn0?si=KQpiMGzNWynhiYDa

[wind mauve]

i'm more worried about that guy's thumb lmao

nevermind fretting notes with his thumb the way he holds it against the neck

[lethal fractal]

yea haha

[gleaming wing]

Right now I have my 7 string tuned to drop Eb and I'm having a lot of fun with it

I'm writing a deathphonk style track

[lethal fractal]

Exciting

[balmy vortex]

New mayones arrivals

[glacial osprey]

Is that a Ryan inspiration on #2

[balmy vortex]

It's the same finish ye, Lava burst but on a burl top this time

And not a core series

[glacial osprey]

Awaiting my Duvell-7 anytime now based on last email

[balmy vortex]

Nice nice

Who did you get yours from?

[glacial osprey]

Lark. Local so convenient

[balmy vortex]

Indeed

[glacial osprey]

Got my 2 Qatsis from there

[balmy vortex]

👀👀

Do hit up our store in the states one day as well. We can get ya great deals on our in stocks

We're axe palace

[glacial osprey]

I've definitely hit up the website to peruse a bit

[balmy vortex]

[balmy vortex]

The lava burst does play like a dream ngl

[glacial osprey]

Might mostly be tapped out in my Mayones collection for the next 5 or so years 🤔 if I were to get another guitar it'd probably be a baritone 6 from Balaguer

Like a 28" or 28.5"

[cobalt sable]

Is the schecter demon 7 worth it ? It costs 699€ where I’m from

[lethal fractal]

It would probably do everything you would want it to do, not a huge fan of shecters pickups though I haven't played them all.

[glacial osprey]

Their active PuPs for lower end aren't great but all their other USA pickups are great

[glacial osprey]

Gotten to compare the old BKP TKOs to the Velvetrone that are the new default now?

[balmy vortex]

Velvetrons ye, ours will still have warpigs and other sets we choose

Lava burst has warpigs, quilt v24 has nailbombs

Duvell 7 has painkillers

[glacial osprey]

Alnico or Ceramic Nailbombs?

Also what are your thoughts on the TKOs vs Velvetrone?

[balmy vortex]

Haven't tried velvetrons yet so cannot comment rn

[balmy vortex]

Alnico

[glacial osprey]

Cool

[balmy vortex]

One things for sure, I don't like TKO's at all

[cobalt sable]

Oh thx so what would you recommend in that price range instead ?

[lethal fractal]

I'm a big Ibanez fan all around 5/7 of my guitars are Ibanez guitars... I have an rg7 was my first guitar and I love it.

Though that shecter if you like it get it... I know people who own them and like them.

I also do consider the other 2 guitars to count as one is a classical guitar so that's a specialty and the other is a family guitar before ww1

[cobalt sable]

Thank you for the recommendation, I don’t have any preferences I only care about the quality of the guitar ;)

[lethal fractal]

The shecter would have good quality I gave played plenty shecters and owned 2 I just prefer Ibanez, if you like the shecter get it, it will be good for learning and just playing with friends

[cobalt sable]

Thank you sm, yeah the 6 string I have is a Ibanez too

btw do you know if a string gauge of 0.56 is enough on a 26.5 scale for drop A ?

[lethal fractal]

I'll check what I play on once I'm home I play drop A or Drop G typically... (I'm on my way home now)

[cobalt sable]

Thank you bro ;)

[lethal fractal]

No worries... what gauge, tuning and scale length is your 6 string?
I just want to compare tensions to see if it would feel similar.

[cobalt sable]

Im talking about 7 string

My 6 string is in standard e anyways

[lethal fractal]

I know, I just want to see if the gauge you're asking about would be a similar feel to how your 6 string is setup.

[cobalt sable]

Ah okay

[lethal fractal]

[cobalt sable]

I have a gauge of 9-42 on 25.5 scale

[lethal fractal]

Alright cool, I'll get back to you in couple minutes just got home.

[lethal fractal]

I play the same gauge on a 25.5 inch scale length so you will be able to get it on that 26.5 no problem.

[cobalt sable]

Thank you so much ;) you really helped a lot to get my first7 string

[lethal fractal]

No worries, hope you enjoy once you have gotten one.

[vital carbon]

I need help nailing down a genere of music to search for for inspiration and new ideas. I found this clip of a chug riff and I personally think its sick. What genera of metal would this fall under what bands can I look for that channel this style?

[lethal fractal]

This is very modern metal in my opinion.
Checkout Keyan Houshmand on YouTube he has a very similar musical style

[vital carbon]

Gosh it makes me wanna smash something hah

[lethal fractal]

https://youtu.be/SCF7kuAByWE?si=sIcQmPHZJWkPPvP0

https://youtu.be/w5LMyFhW2CI?si=7XLjJnwShTu4c2jy

https://youtu.be/aPjaZE33IPo?si=Qw0FWNyazK8gFiC6

some good starters

[vital carbon]

amazing, you sir are the man!!

[lethal fractal]

i really hate his no theory way of going around things but its better for most people haha

thats the only thing i dislike

have fun

[open fjord]

Keyan has great videos on how to play modern metal.

[lethal fractal]

yep

i just hate the no theory part it makes me just want to listen rather then understand

[open fjord]

They're very much rooted in Djent seeing as Misha, Nolly, and Holcomb (can't say Mark cuz that could mean Tremonti lol) are his idols.

Misha is largely self taught as far as I understand.

So it makes sense Keyan doesn't go into too much theory as he is largely a self taught guitarist as well.

[lethal fractal]

yea, as for he says he doesnt know much of it himself

[open fjord]

A lot the guitar greats on YouTube (Rabea Massaad, Rob Scallon, Keyan, Ola Englund, Jared Dines, and Nik himself as examples) are very much self taught.

[lethal fractal]

you can be self taught and know all your theory from just studies... It depends what we mean by self taught but ya no some great guitarist and musicans cant even read sheet music

[open fjord]

Yeah. There are only a few guitarists on YouTube that I've seen actually be able to read and understand music theory like Rob Chapman, Rick Beato, Tyler Larson, Rudy Ayoub, obviously Ichika, and Pete Cottrell.

[lethal fractal]

There are a lot of them that are good at their theory

[open fjord]

Oh yeah I'm sure there's more. I was talking just amongst the more popular ones out there.

[lethal fractal]

ya

I come from and classical and jazz world so theory is in everything... Just what I am used to.

[open fjord]

The one YouTube guitarist that I think has probably some of the most creative and interesting sounding stuff I've ever heard that's made a huge impact on me is undoubtedly Rabea.

For more lead stuff I love RichaadEB.

[lethal fractal]

I actually don't think I have ever watched a full Rabea video...

In the cord video I sent I cant follow with it because all the stuff he's saying to a newer person or self taught they would only know how to use those cords in those situations they cant transfer it to strings due to no cord theory or anything.

They work and sound good just only work for the one situation

[open fjord]

Ah I see that makes sense. I grew up with a lot of 90s and early 2000s stuff.

[lethal fractal]

I grew up on the same stuff... I still listen to a lot of punk rock and that stuff is so basic but still good. I now like highly technical metal and not a massive prog fan but listen to it and still go to prog shows.

[open fjord]

It's funny you mention that, I can't really teach people string stuff either mainly because I learned drums first before guitar, even though I been a guitarist longer, my brain is very much rhythm based so I think like a drummer. I've somewhat made up for that recently by learning some theory but I know very little chord theory.

Like I understand triads, your 1st, 3rd, and 5ths, but when you start adding 7ths or 9ths into the mix it completely starts to lose me.

[lethal fractal]

In total i know how to play 8 instruments though currently only play 5 I love teaching theory as well as the instruments im most proficient in I just like helping out...

my last guitar class we where doing 13 cords...

you just stack 3rds... and you can play with flattening/sharpening those intervals or suspending them...

[open fjord]

13 chords are stacked thirds? God damn the stretch on those.

[lethal fractal]

all cords you stack thirds (not all but you get the point)

its funny when you look at a 13 cord you use every note of your typical 7 note scale.

[lethal fractal]

Very awkward trying to record that...

[open fjord]

Lol sorry xD

I didnt mean to make you record that lol. But it was very informative! I wonder how that would sound on guitar.

Probably fuckin massive.

[lethal fractal]

We obviously can't really play 8 notes in one cord of the guitar unless we do it as an arpeggio... So you have to omit some notes...

[lethal fractal]

I chose to record it...

[open fjord]

Well I thank you for doing it!

[lethal fractal]

This is a G#13

My bad that's an Ab

If you wanted it to be a G cord you could move the shape up a fret and you would get a Gmaj7sus2(#11)

[lethal fractal]

Learning your 7 cord shapes can be helpful if you want to learn them I can send over a page I have that has all the shapes...

[open fjord]

I have one of those cardboard things that has a bunch of chords on it. Not sure if it has 13 chords though.

I know my basic chords shapes on guitar. C D E F G A....B I always forget lol.

[open fjord]

Gmaj7sus2(#11)? See those long ass name confuse the hell outta me. Once numbers are added to chord names it's like my brain goes "Nani the shit?"

[lethal fractal]

Haha yea fair enough

[lethal fractal]

Here's some basic shapes

can move these wherever

If you have a looper you can play this and solo over it.

[open fjord]

Those are basic shapes?!

[lethal fractal]

Ya 😅

[open fjord]

Some of them I understand but some of them are like "How does one do that with said fingies?"

Ya'll jazz cats are cracked.

[lethal fractal]

Which ones don't make sense?

To you just generally...?

The cords I can do on my 9 string are funky fingers doing weird stuff on that fret board.

[open fjord]

It's not that I can't read them it's more like how can yall make those shapes?

[lethal fractal]

Yea which ones are confusing? I'll send a photo your probably over complicating them.

[open fjord]

The top maj7

Both of the top ones actually ^^;

The right minor 7 and the two dominants.

The half diminished ones I can see being played though the right one might be a little tricky.

The bottom maj7 looks like a chord I use all the time. Same with the left minor 7.

[lethal fractal]

Fun chords.

anyways GTG have fun with this new knowledge

[white flower]

anyone have experience with schecter guitars and knows what a good model is for beginners

[lethal fractal]

I have a little bit... It depends on budget and if you want 6 or 7 string and just generally what type of music you want to play.

[brazen ridge]

Hey guys I have a question!?

What is a good guitar for 500-600 that is a bright color brand doesn’t matter they can be used to.Only thing is it has to be good for lots of distortion.

[lethal fractal]

Ibanez or Kramer

[brazen ridge]

Ok alright any specific model or just them

[lethal fractal]

I'd recommend looking on the websites and local stores... For any local stores go and play them.
For any you like online look online for video reviews.

[brazen ridge]

Alright thank you!!Was there a specific model or just the brand in general?

[white flower]

i was looking at the c-6 deluxe and the c-6 elite

looks like the elite is around 60 bucks more and better overall reviews but idk if its really that worth

[lethal fractal]

Kramer has some cheaper guitars with some vibrant colours to them, don't get one with a whammy they tend to not stay in tune. When diving and what not.

I just like Ibanez a lot they don't have that many super colorful guitars but nice guitars that get the job done and you could find a colorful one if you look.
I have no specific model I'd recommend just looking into them and finding ones you think would fit you.

[brazen ridge]

Thanks a lot I will look into Kramer tomorrow when I get home.

[lethal fractal]

Have fun

[lethal fractal]

If you have any stores in the area that have them in stock I'd recommend to go and try them just to get the feel of them I have played the Elite never the deluxe.
You would be fine with either though.

[wind mauve]

question

would it not be more comfortable for you to use your middle finger in the first image

instead of flipping off whoever's in front of you and squishing the fuck outta your hand

[lethal fractal]

Yes for the photo it would have been but was harder to see the shape... Also depends what cord you are coming from if you're switching shapes both will work well.

[wind mauve]

fair

i dont play chords

not in the repertoire

[lethal fractal]

Also having the middle finger free can be nice to add lower bass notes with if you wanted to

[wind mauve]

https://youtu.be/jIJ-8knAjO0?si=TiGrPYi7TNb1U0lc

i've mostly just been enjoying the energy of these two lmao

but they do play the legator i was looking at so

[toxic wharf]

A sus-chord is neither minor nor major tho

So its without the major 3rd right?

[balmy vortex]

Have another

Chord shape: 4-7-10

[toxic wharf]

So an augmented triad

[wind mauve]

skinwalker chords fr i would never stretch my finger that far to play a chord

[lethal fractal]

Wow I made a cursed cord
A7,maj7(#9,b13)

That's not the image just was messing around

[lethal fractal]

It's written like that because the 7th in the cord is the major 7 so it's notated like that... If I was to flatten the maj7 then it would be written as a Gb⁷sus2(#11)

A G major cord is just noted at G G minor is Gm

[balmy vortex]

Guitar

[lethal fractal]

[gleaming wing]

What in the jazz guitar is that

[lethal fractal]

D7

It's a dumb 7 shape

[gleaming wing]

Yeah

I'd hate to see that pop up in a tab sheet

[lethal fractal]

Lmfao

[gleaming wing]

Of course my sight reading sucks

[lethal fractal]

I'll write it in sheet music foe ya

For

[lethal fractal]

This is the same cord

[gleaming wing]

Yeah that's the one I usually play

[lethal fractal]

Good

[modest ravine]

decided to try out the Archetype Mateus Asato and its sick

there's some awesome presets and its very versatile

[lethal fractal]

It sure is

[white flower]

Anyone know a good cheap amp for playing at low volumes and headphones but sounds good for price

[blazing flare]

How do you get a lofi guitar tone for guitar? (simmilar to what nik does)

Chorus and delay?

[lethal fractal]

First question how well do you know your 7 cords?

Delay and some reverb also can sound nice.
https://youtu.be/JCy_sam7w_A?si=5rArc1TL9sKJjPL7

[blazing flare]

Chords?

[lethal fractal]

If you're looking for just tone don't worry about it...

[blazing flare]

Never heard of it

Jk

I'm still pretty new and I personally don't care that much about tone

[lethal fractal]

Fair enough, a lot of lofi music uses 6 cords or 7 cords with b13s ontop... That's a lot of theory for later. A little bit further up is a big conversation on cords if you want to look at any of it.

[blazing flare]

I'm currently learning some scales (minor and chromatic) but I still have to get used to alternate picking XD

[blazing flare]

I lokked throught it

Looked*

[blazing flare]

Also tried some inverted power chords

[lethal fractal]

Learn economy picking with your alternate picking it is a bit confusing at first but is so useful.

[lethal fractal]

Those are fun.

[blazing flare]

Since I'm a gojira fan

[lethal fractal]

Nice.

I'm assuming you're playing 6 string... if you want I have the 6 scales patterns and how they connect if you want to just look at it I can send a photo in a bit

[blazing flare]

I have a 8 string but I can mute the 2 other strings

[lethal fractal]

I can send you the 8 string version instead...

[blazing flare]

Sure!

[lethal fractal]

Are you normally tuned to EBEADGBE or F# instead of the low E?

[blazing flare]

Eh

It's complicated

I change tunings pretty regurlarly

I see it as a 6 string and the 2 lowest strings always remain F# and B

[lethal fractal]

Ah okay

[blazing flare]

Whilst the others might be in drop c or a

But I actually enjoy changing tunings

(I'm overextending, it's fine everything you send, I can change the tuning TLDR)

[lethal fractal]

@blazing flare These should all be correct.

[blazing flare]

Ty <3

[bright latch]

I finished spray painting my guitar what should I do now? The paint is dry but it still goes onto my hands

[lethal fractal]

Clear coat or some sort of clear protective layer... I never had painted any guitars just furniture and that was mainly staining so I can't say too much... really depends what you want the finish to feel and look like.

[lethal fractal]

Something interesting I learned to do well practicing is use warm ups from other instruments that you can play, it can add just add more ways to practice and helps tie all your music knowledge together.

[odd coyote]

Any tips with tapping

I feel like I try and it generates no noise 💀

or it jus sounds bad

[lethal fractal]

1 handed or 2 handed?

[odd coyote]

Um

1

[lethal fractal]

https://youtu.be/GV5Gyh9253E?si=bK-aaRdUieXaZcB6

I'll let someone else do the talking

[lethal fractal]

You might need more gain if you already have decent gain then technique and practice

[odd coyote]

I have a rlly cheap setup idk if it makes a big diff

I just wanna get as good as I can with what I got then upgrade when i actually need it

[lethal fractal]

U really don't need super nice stuff

[odd coyote]

My guitar is like £100 and had it for 8 years but only started properly like 2 years ago

And my amp is ight

[lethal fractal]

I have played $350 dollar guitar on like a $50 amp and can tap just fine.
Tapping takes time it's hard.

[inner shell]

Waiting on getting a baritone guitar to put in drop E so for now just writing riffs with bass and putting in some drums and production and sounds pretty good so far, lmk thoughs yall

[inner shell]

Btw in that clip I’m using my 5-string Dingwall Combustion in Drop A, pitch shifting to Drop E so the strings arent spaghetti

[wind mauve]

replying to this so i remember to check it out tomorrow

[lethal fractal]

Want me to ping you at 12:00 my time?

[wind mauve]

no

that's fine

[lethal fractal]

Okay

[prime sapphire]

Hi guys, I’m curious how the guitarist from the amity affliction gets this heavy sound even though he’s using a fender Stratocaster. It only has single coils as far as I know, but they sound amazing live too. Is there an extra distortion pedal or can a fender also sound heavy ?

And also they’re pitch shifting to drop E and also double drop C on one song, how can it still sound clean on a strat and thin string gauge ?

[inner shell]

He uses 14 to 64s… for reference I use a 70 gauge on my 7 string with a 25.5” scale length for Drop E, so they must be tuning pretty low already. 13-60s will probably get you stably to around B, so 14 to 64 might get them to A standard or so? They’d have to pitch down a 5th from there, but not sure what they actually tune to.

As far as the single coils, they’re actually not, theyre Fender’s noiseless pickups, which are a type of humbucker in the form factor of a single coil. They’re still much spankier than a humbucker but I think they sound good for low tunings more than high tunings.

[toxic wharf]

Yes single coil strats can sound heavy. 'Heavy riffs' have nothing or very little to do with guitar, tuning or pick up, but with song writing most of all amd the interplay of instruments

[vital carbon]

Guys quick question, my bass fretboard is friggen gross, Im going to restring it but need to clean the grime off. What is the best thing around the house that will not totally destroy the wood that I can use?

I would post a picture but its so embarrassing lol

Fuxk it

https://tenor.com/view/i-wanna-die-kill-me-now-jump-run-over-hit-by-a-truck-gif-17242856

[lethal fractal]

A damp cloth I believe is just fine, you can always run out to the nearest guitar store to pickup lemon oil depending on the wood, you can also use a razor blade to scrape off gunk

[glacial osprey]

Maple so a different oil is preferred

[lethal fractal]

Yea typed that before seeing the fretboard

[vital carbon]

its been sitting for maybe 3-5 years just in a corner neglected af

[lethal fractal]

Just a damp cloth... will be good I mean the razor blade could be helpful for that.

[vital carbon]

ok, thanks so much @lethal fractal you are super patient and always very helpful! Thank you ❤️

[lethal fractal]

I do my best, always enjoy helping out.

[nova pagoda]

ok boys, i have a really peaky question for you. Right now i don't have an amp. I have a shitty audio interface that can't let me even play with youtube sound at the same time ( yea i tried to solve the problem with a lot of research but nothing worked).

Right now i'm thinking about buying a focusrite 3rd gen 2i2 or a multieffects pedal. Unfortunately i don't have the money to buy both but i can spend like 300€ on a pedalboard (i wouldn't do the same for the interface cause i don't feel that would change much).

I want to know what would be the best for me right now (I only play at home btw).

(also i had a boss katana 100 previously but the metal tone wasn't my cup of tea at all and i don't think i'm the right person to have an amp since i play alone)

[glacial osprey]

Just personal opinion, I recommend the 4i4 over the 2i2 because it has an input pad that's useful for higher output pickups that may cause a 2i2s input to peak

[native sandal]

Any recommendations for a 7 string with a Floyd for 1200 usd or under?

[glacial osprey]

https://youtu.be/4hG7Zg82myc?si=MC5P2BoZWxdDo4vQ
A new Soldano!

[dry tusk]

Jackson JS11 And an Line 6 Spider 3

[toxic wharf]

i have a challenge for you guys

one half is a 5150 and the other is a granophyre

try to guess which ones which lol

excuse my sloppy playing

[lethal fractal]

Didn't expect to see you here.

[acoustic tiger]

https://www.tiktok.com/@craigburton4/video/7308952703198186782?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7307804318385456686

[blazing flare]

Any advice for double tracking guitars? Every time I try to do it it either sounds shit OR I forgot it OR (the worst out of all) after sucessfully double tracking the guitar I just don't feel like continuing anymore 😭

Help me

[lethal fractal]

Practice, practice, practice... Playing to a click and even writing out what you are playing so you can read it well playing can be very helpful from the playing side. Do multiple recordings as well the first take usually isn't the best take.

Playing with the panning to feel what seems best.

[toxic wharf]

I dont think you have to write it out, but you do need to practice and also check how the transients for each side relate to each other. It can only sound shit if you dont play tight and playing tight is a matter of practicing.

[lethal fractal]

You definitely don't need to write it out sometimes can be helpful I find anyways.

[grand wolf]

Yo I need some help figuring something out with an old electric guitar my great grandpa had Can anyone kinda help I have no idea what it could do I have plans to fix it and learn buried alive but idk if it would be the guitar to learn it on

[blazing flare]

Would it be a good thing to first just do every guitar part and double track at the end?

[mossy radish]

Picture?

[grand wolf]

I'm not home yet I'll be there in like 10 mins Ive been thinking of the guitar all day and needed to figure something out

[mossy radish]

Ok

[grand wolf]

I do need to get an amp though

[mossy radish]

Yeah, looking at $100 or more

[grand wolf]

It will be worth it

[mossy radish]

Yeah, especially if you get good

[grand wolf]

Give it 20 years and I will be!

[mossy radish]

Nah, just grind man

Skill point x1000

[grand wolf]

Lol I need an XP potion from Minecraft

[mossy radish]

😂

[wind mauve]

your... great grandpa?

[grand wolf]

Yes

[wind mauve]

is this guitar from the 30s

[grand wolf]

No

[wind mauve]

[grand wolf]

Look I don't know much my great grandma says it was his and if you argue with her your ass gets kicked

[wind mauve]

ok i just

wanted to make sure you didn't have like some ancient first generation guitar kickin around

[grand wolf]

Nah

[wind mauve]

do you know how often it was played?

[grand wolf]

Nope

[wind mauve]

i mean you said great grandpa, my great grandpa was a railworker in the 20s and 30s, so it's fuckin with my head a lil

at any rate the strings are probably relic'd :D

[grand wolf]

He was born in the 40's I think

Cus he's at least 5 years younger than my great grandma who is around 86

[wind mauve]

i see

[grand wolf]

And he passed in 2018 soooooooo idk

[wind mauve]

well, show us the guitar when you can

[grand wolf]

Almost home

[wind mauve]

[grand wolf]

Paint looks great lol

[mossy radish]

Oh, that thing is mint

Looks like a 60's fujigen strad-o-lin

[grand wolf]

I realized the amp wires are in there but I also realized mold is in there

[mossy radish]

Oh, take a q tip and isopropyl alcohol

[wind mauve]

single coil neck

why're the last two locking nuts taped over?

[mossy radish]

Probably so they wouldn't break off

[wind mauve]

😬

[mossy radish]

Thing still looks nice as hell

[grand wolf]

Yeah idk why

So definitely need to get new strings and amp and some goddamn lessons oof

[wind mauve]

my only real worry is the single coil pickup

it's not a major issue but it will produce some hum, or buzz

still a beaut of a relic i'd say

but yeah i'd take it to a guitar shop and see if you can get it set up and cleaned properly

they might be able to figure out whats up with the tuning pegs/locking nuts and get it restrung

[grand wolf]

Hopefully Im really eager to learn buried alive

[wind mauve]

i actually only know berried alive

[grand wolf]

It's the best avenged sevenfold song

[mossy radish]

I can tell you what to do, it's easy as hell

[grand wolf]

It's good I'll get lessons somewhere

[mossy radish]

Shit, data is slow, was talking about servicing the guitar

[grand wolf]

Gotta live data

[wind mauve]

oh the song

i be thinkin of bands rn fr 💸💯

[toxic wharf]

You can do whatever order you see fit. It doesnt really matter. I tend to double track the parts that need to be double tracked straight away so you get a better feel for the overall sound

And where parts are gonna sit in the mix

[blazing flare]

Sure!

[hushed topaz]

Anyone have any recommendations for an electric guitar and amp, for my 14 year old niece who wants to learn?

[wind mauve]

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/M8MWB--ibanez-marten-hagstrom-signature-m8m-electric-guitar-weathered-black

something like that is a pretty good starter i think

but for real tho, your best bet would be to ask in a local guitar centre

there's probably some christmas promotions and such on as well, and a lot of stores have "starter kits" with decent beginner guitars from epiphone, gibson, etc that come with amps

that's how i got started, personally

[mossy radish]

I'd say a small black star, they're pretty cheap and easy for beginners

[hushed topaz]

Ty both appreciate it.

[mossy radish]

Np

[gleaming wing]

I got an Ibanez Gio for my first electric guitar, and I have no regrets. Still play that thing from time to time.

[wind mauve]

i too play an Ibanez Gio but i’d like to upgrade soon

that legator ghost is still looking like my kinda deal i’m ngl

[gleaming wing]

I upgraded to a 7 string RG

I also built a flying V that plays pretty nice

[wind mauve]

ye but i want the headless, the fanned frets, the longer scale length etc

[gleaming wing]

Yeah that would be sick

[wind mauve]

and then i can jam some fish man heafers in there

[gleaming wing]

I wanna get some nasguls for my RG

[wind mauve]

yeah i’m keeping the gio 7 as a project guitar once i upgrade

puttin whatever the hell i can on that bitch

[gleaming wing]

Hell yeah

[grand wolf]

Would anyone know what would be a good amp for this?

[lethal fractal]

I have one of these they aren't bad, though I'm thinking of putting on a longer neck.

[wind mauve]

mine’s pretty good it’s the pickups im not convinced with

but for a $300 7 it’s solid

[lethal fractal]

Yea ikr... I just the 25.5 inch doesn't work for drop g all that well, it's white as well so I might do a whole paint job and like replace everything haha.

It was my first guitar and did it's job... it confused the crap out of my guitar teacher as well at first and now here we are doing 9 string goofiness.

[lethal fractal]

I haven't touched mine in months though it's rusting and everything as well... I need to give it some love but I have no interest in it as of now.

[deft reef]

I did a thing

[lethal fractal]

I think bernth proves a really good point playing cheap guitars and everything, despite still have very expensive sound equipment and everything equipment doesn't make you better but hours of hours of dedication and practice does... Keep going everyone don't get into your head about you not being able to play well just because of more basic gear.

[wintry nova]

Based

[wind mauve]

"haha dropped my slide"

[frosty bridge]

took a while but i finally got my headrush mx5 (rlly sorry for blurry photo, laptop camera sucks)

[deft reef]

Lmao

[ancient path]

is 12 gauge strings enough for drop a

[timid flicker]

depends on a variety of factors

[coarse condor]

they should hold pretty well

on a 6 string

7 string a bit much

[lean plaza]

Guys I think my guitar has autism

I have one string on btw

[prime sapphire]

whatup guys, I wanted to ask if someone owns a Digitech Drop and if it is worth buying it

It really appeals to me since i really dont want to buy a new guitar or change strings

[lethal fractal]

I don't personally own one though know many people who do and have played one a couple times.
I like them and think they are nice and can be useful just depends if you need one.

I like modding pedals and working with them, though recently just have been going digital with everything.

I do think the whammy DT is just the best way to go when it comes to all of that though it's expensive but worth it for the quality and everything.

[prime sapphire]

I do have a low budget so I think the drop is enough for me, since I am not a professional too

[lethal fractal]

Yea I have heard about latency issues sometimes happening so it really depends how willing you are able to play with a bit of latency I can't play with more then 15ms or around that drives me nuts but you might be fine with it.

[toxic wharf]

Whammy has neglible latency tbh

[verbal fossil]

I have the whammy DT personally and tbh yes it has latency but it's very small despite being slightly noticable but idk it could be me being used to it and for the tone it alters it a bit but i find it more damaging detuning up rather than down tho

[prime sapphire]

I think I did not properly describe what I mean sorry, I meant the single digitech drop that only tunes down to 7 halfsteps and one octave

The one for 150€

[verbal fossil]

Tuning up make it sound very digital kinda like its a guitar plugin

Its basically the same thing just detached from the whammy part

[lethal fractal]

I think I confused everyone by bringing up the whammy

[odd coyote]

Playing TBDM riffs and SOI riffs make my arm want to fall off

[digital mesa]

I have one and it works great. My use case is I play guitar mostly with Rocksmith, so I can easily drop into lower tunings and back between songs. The last two tunings or so (6 or 7) get a bit muddier and some latency, but it's barely noticeable. Very much worth the money if you plan on changing tunings constantly

[vital carbon]

Does anyone know what drum plugin Nik uses? (In recent videos) His drums always sound friggen wicked!

[wind mauve]

it's a custom set developed by ashtone

[modest ravine]

I have the Schecter Damien 9, I find it to be pretty nice, the 30 inch scale length is really good for down tuning

[lethal fractal]

I have the Ibanez RG9PBTGF Axe Design Lab, it has only a 28inch scale length so can't tune as low but I don't tend to need to go any lower then dropping the C# to B and the shorter scale length is suited better for what I play... Though that shecter is also a good option.

[inner mauve]

Fuckin love this pick

Its so good

What is everyones personal pick preference?

[verbal fossil]

i use the dunlop jazz III XL

[toxic wharf]

Jazz III XL variant.

Lol

I used the smaller Jazz III's for a bit but found the XL's more comfortable and nicer for sweeps and string skipping

[verbal fossil]

i need thick picks cuz i hit the strings so hard i tend to bend so much the pick itself lmao

and XL cuz i don't like tiny picks

[toxic wharf]

For acoustic I use whatever between 0.8 amd 0.6

I dont like the tone of thicker picks

[verbal fossil]

i don't have an acoustic so it's not even a question for me

[toxic wharf]

On acoustics

[verbal fossil]

and i have pretty thick strings too mainly on my 7 string with a 12-54 + 74 gauge for drop F#

[lethal fractal]

I mainly will play a Chicken pick that's around 3.5mm or a big stubby... been thinking about trying some sort of those custom picks that are pretty thick.

[native sandal]

Those jps for leads, and the teal cats tongue picks for rhythm and playing bass

Sometimes I’ll use a carbon fibre max grip jazz III

[balmy drift]

A class act all the way right here

I love the XL Jazz III's

They just feel 'right'

[timid flicker]

i like big stubbies, been using the triangle variant for a while now

[wind mauve]

i use ernie ball prodigy picks myself

[tawny raft]

Dunlop Jazz III XL

or any smaller thick pick

with a good grip bc I'm clumsy as shit

[quasi mirage]

@unreal rivet @median hemlock this one

[lethal fractal]

That's what I have.

[median hemlock]

hot

[median hemlock]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6Tfm0KcMnhDC3slO3nbIo3?si=57f2a2dbc1484e50

one of the best covers ove ever heard

[tawny raft]

At The Gates cover?

nvm

no it is

im dumb

[median hemlock]

lol

[coarse condor]

i’ll take any jazz III

any pick above 1mm really

[coarse condor]

i think i have that in black

nvm its different

[median hemlock]

slick

[lethal fractal]

https://youtu.be/SI-Fqb-cIu8?si=QLQOtwgUIai3r7Q0

New video

Not to mention this bs

https://youtu.be/ftT7Xb8uZlk?si=P25GfV8ujIJLbKfm

My brain just doesn't work after watching half this stuff.

[fervent fox]

NGD another ESP joins the family

[lethal fractal]

Ouu

[wind mauve]

use it on the miku pedal for the ultimate immersive experience

[median hemlock]

thats fuggin cool

[fervent fox]

Thank yee

[coarse condor]

sexy

[lethal fractal]

Is it a gloss or mat finish

[wind mauve]

its a glatte finish

a moss

[fervent fox]

Gloss

Shiny enough to see my reflection

[lethal fractal]

It was weird with the image grain made it look rough but then could see the reflection so wasn't sure... Is the neck gloss as well?

[fervent fox]

Yep. I took other pictures from different angles. But the my reflection kept showing up.

Can’t have people having nightmares tonight

[lethal fractal]

Easy fix don't sleep no nightmares... Awful advice that I did for way to long, go to bed kids nightmares suck but they are better then not sleeping.

[gleaming wing]

Nightmares are fun though

[lethal fractal]

I lucid dream 90% of the time lucid nightmares are the absolute worst I can sometimes create safe spaces and have trained myself have to more and more but they always crumble and you keep running making more and more...

Though lucid dreams can be really fun and you can be very creative and build massive dreamlands and what not kinda cool

[gleaming wing]

That's crazy

I don't really lucid dream

It's weird

[lethal fractal]

It's something you can train yourself to do which is cool

[coarse condor]

i remember having a lucid dream inside of another dream

[timid flicker]

this model is a 25.5 inch scale length 7 string, honestly i don’t understand why

i was wondering, i have an orange crush mini and i wanted to buy a ppc108 cab for it then later on i can get the micro terror or micro dark

but for the cab and head it will cost me the same price as a positive grid spark 40

any recommendations or opinions are welcome

[tawny raft]

anyone else have trouble alternate picking palm muted pedal notes or do I just have massive skill issue?

like I can only downpick them but that limits how fast I can do them

[balmy vortex]

Very guuud

[lethal fractal]

Usually better for newer musicians which I think is the point to the line of guitars... just the frets being closer apart and it still being able to hold B standard tuning well its good for a starter I mean I started on one myself.

[timid flicker]

ohh

[lethal fractal]

Just a starter guitar they are like $300

[graceful socket]

Okay folks, I could use some suggestions: Your favorite Double Drop B stuff to play (7 string preferred, could adapt to 8). I´m in the mood for learning some ultra low stuff but dont have too much in my mind to play

[lethal fractal]

How are you tuning your 7 string for double drop B? A lot of the double drop B stuff I know and have played are on a 9 string but that could be also more where I'm directed, just curious how you are tuned for that on a 7...

[balmy vortex]

Ya don't

[graceful socket]

Pitch shifter

[lethal fractal]

?

[graceful socket]

Got my guitar tuned to Drop E and then pitch it with my Whammy DT down to Double Drop B

[lethal fractal]

Either I forgot what a double drop tuning means or that's just drop B but down the octave.

[lethal fractal]

I'd recommend just playing some of your favorite 7 string riffs just they would be tuned lower can make for some fun times.

Can alter them a bit and write in some of your own fun sounds that fit the Lower tuning

[blazing flare]

if you would like to see how awesome it can be gojira does some incredible shit with it

[lethal fractal]

Im pretty sure that's the DT whammy

[blazing flare]

whoops got them mixed up lmao

[median hemlock]

double drop b is a bad tuning (opinion)

[lethal fractal]

I usually am tuned to just C# F# B E A D G B E

Or tuned to all 4ths.

Depending on what I'm playing

[fervent fox]

Double Drop B…on a 7 string ? That tuning is usually meant for a 6 string because it’s “B-F♯-B-E-G♯-B” so wth would the 7th string be?

[lethal fractal]

^

[fervent fox]

Also not many bands play that tuning. Just Sevendust and Isis on “some” songs

[lethal fractal]

It seems like they are just downtuning to drop B on a 7

[lethal fractal]

But down an octave using a pedal

[fervent fox]

You mean regular Drop B (B-F♯-b-E-G♯-C♯) but a high F string for the 1st string?

I know one band that utilizes that tuning

[lethal fractal]

He said tuning to drop E then using the pedal for drop B

[lethal fractal]

I'd assume something like this though.

[fervent fox]

If that’s the case then I’d say play more songs by Unearth!

[lethal fractal]

He would be tuning an octave below what they play in from my understanding of what was being said... Though it wouldn't change much just lower notes, which can start running into issues with power cords sounding to Muddy from lower note limit.

To B0 or like 30Hz I think is what he's tuning to and you have to approach those lower notes very differently.

[coarse condor]

is that like, a bad thing?

[lethal fractal]

Generally you would want something longer

[coarse condor]

thats fair

https://www.ibanez.com/na/products/detail/rga742fm_1p_04.html

planning on getting this one is it worth or nah

[timid flicker]

good pick

[lethal fractal]

I mean I would assume it would do everything you would need it to do.

[vital carbon]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/295947375471?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=295947375471&targetid=1528987490776&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9003468&poi=&campaignid=19851828444&mkgroupid=145880009014&rlsatarget=aud-1242981527250:pla-1528987490776&abcId=9307249&merchantid=667720223&gclid=CjwKCAiAvdCrBhBREiwAX6-6UlQLvt8w9i-AYiTNwjAc86qwbHzOYqfrv5TbnCOqF-DKmuCdabstoRoC7NoQAvD_BwE

just stumbled on this

$75K seems a bit much tho

[lethal fractal]

My instinct wants to say it's fairly priced but I got no clue how much some of those are worth and sometimes people do charge a lot more then what it's worth.

[coarse condor]

it should

[timid flicker]

and it will

[toxic wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/axe-lotr-gif-5532799

[toxic wharf]

Depend how low you downtune. 25.5 is fine for like drop A but lower than that will be a challenge in order to maintain good intonation and tone

[coarse condor]

i'll only be going to drop g# with .10s

[toxic wharf]

Wouldnt be my decision on a 25.5 but its not terrible.

[timid flicker]

guys should i get a positive grid spark 40

or an orange micro dark and ppc108

[toxic wharf]

Id go for the Orange

[timid flicker]

but cant i get the orange tone from the spark?

they will cost me the same price

also wouldnt a 25.5” scale on a 7 string cause intonation issues?

[toxic wharf]

No, in standard tuning its absolutely fine. Even drop A is good

[timid flicker]

Thats nice

[lethal fractal]

Drop G was when I started having issues with it and would need thicker strings...

[toxic wharf]

You would but also not really

[timid flicker]

Ill get the amp and cab then

[median hemlock]

i usually do drop G on a 7 string

[timid flicker]

Drop g is swag

[median hemlock]

agreed

[wind mauve]

drop g my beloved

im so glad modern trivium songs are a standard so i dont have to fuck with my tuning too much

[verbal fossil]

i'm in drop F# and i love this tuning so much

it's like low while not being too low too

and with it you can play architects songs both the drop B and the "F# ocatve" tuning like in doomsday or hereafter

[lethal fractal]

I just have dumb 9 string sounds... Waiting for my 6 to be out of the shop still

[wispy flint]

i'd like to let it be known ive downtuned my bass to drop f

this is gonna be fun lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgOlCpAirmQ

and it was all because of this

anyone have any good recommendations for a 5 string bass?

one that can be used for more metal shenanigans

something within 500 dollars in particular

[vital carbon]

I was looking at some Ibanez options in that range, went to play some at the local store and they felt alright.

[wispy flint]

maybe i can hit up a local store

does it matter what pick ups are used when it comes to metal stuff? for both bass and guitar?

[vital carbon]

I usually go to the local guitar senter or sam ash and see what they have, mopst of the guitars off the war are rode hard and put away wet so I try in store and order online lol

[wispy flint]

if so, what should i be keeping an eye out for?

[vital carbon]

are you recording an amp or going DI into a ton of software?

[wispy flint]

di?

[vital carbon]

like direct input

[wispy flint]

to record on pc?

forgive me, im not familiar with all of this yet lol

im starting to go harder on it

[vital carbon]

yes, and its no worry

[wispy flint]

gotcha

i want to do both is the thing

mostly DI

but amp too

[vital carbon]

I think to get started and experiment the SR305 is something to see if you can try at a local store

for $399

[wispy flint]

noted

[vital carbon]

I recently just snagged a cheap 7 string from Ibanez and its really quite nice, I have american strats and expensive bs and the cheap $279 7 string gets the job done quite nicely

[wispy flint]

interesting

the 7 string im trying to get is the rga742fm

what's the 279 one?

[vital carbon]

You def wanna at least go try some stuff in the store see what body shape and neck style you vibe with and then look online

I think its a GRG7221

it was actually $249 lol there is like a QA model that has nicer paint for $279

[wispy flint]

yep, that's it

[vital carbon]

Im actually shocked how decent it is

[wispy flint]

i may need to look into that first

im still gonna get the rga742fm

but you know

this is half the price lol

[vital carbon]

I acutally bought a Demon 7 used from guitar center and order this one online, I didnt like the bridge on the Demon 7 and returned it lol

The Ibanez cheap-o 7 also has more pick up selections giving you a larger range of tones to use

[wispy flint]

that's dope

[vital carbon]

For players like us, its nice that we can experiment with some new instruments for under $500

[wispy flint]

right

atm i have a 4 string bass i got a few years ago and havent done a whole lot with

mostly been dicking around with drop c

i have a 6 string guitar as well that was given to me for free, but it hadnt been played in years

it's a very cheap one lol

it's an ibanez gio... something

[vital carbon]

the 5 string or 7 will feel larger at first and some things you kinda have to relearn how to manage the new B string but its nice to have the low boom

[wispy flint]

im not exactly sure

[wispy flint]

im okay with that tbh

[vital carbon]

yea, I used to be able to play some riffs on the 6 that I found myself like wtf why is this so hard now lol

IF were having fun, fuck it, crab stance and chug on!

[wispy flint]

right

there's all sorts of shit i wanna play but like

98% of it requires a 7 string lol

i could downtune my 6 string i guess but it isnt really made for metal

ive mostly been doing acoustic metal stuff

like the intro to my curse

which is fun to play :)

[vital carbon]

yep, Im a fan of the Baby Metal riffs and loved Dream Theater and other for many years and I never got a 7 string, Im 38 now and Its like wtf why did you wait should have snagged one when I was 18

I would have more chug power, Im like writing really infantile riffs on the 7 like its a brave new world to have fun with

[wispy flint]

lmao

[lethal fractal]

I'm saving for a 7 string bass screw 7 string guitar 7 string bass hehe

[vital carbon]

ohh snap @lethal fractal is the guy to talk to about gear and stuff

[wispy flint]

tbf when i get around to a 7 string im gonna doing a lot of ignorant chugging over actually meaningful shit LOL

because it's fun

[vital carbon]

Its the only way lol

[lethal fractal]

I just like talking (I hate it and love it)

[wispy flint]

hehe

i was pretty much just asking about a good 5 string bass that's under 500 for metal stuffs

grinnelli recommended the SR305E

[lethal fractal]

Oh you changed your pfp I didn't recognize you straight away ^

[wispy flint]

yeah i finally changed it after all this time

bout time i did anyways

[lethal fractal]

Fair enough, I always get a goof laugh from your bio

[wispy flint]

hehe

[lethal fractal]

There aren't enough lockers in my school to do that sadly

[lethal fractal]

Same guitar i have...

[wispy flint]

we can just make holes in the ground :)

[wispy flint]

i know they said it was good, but what's your opinion on it?

[lethal fractal]

It's good for drop A or A standard tuning once you get lower it starts getting floppy otherwise good.
The pickups are a bit meh but I actually do like them for pinch harmonics I find they ring really well.
The 25.5 inch scale length is also nice coming from a 6 string as it's usually the same.

[wispy flint]

alright

sounds like i got a guitar to buy :)

btw, just a general question

when it comes to a guitar that i wanna use for metal stuffs, what should i be looking out for in particular with pickups, the bridge, etc?

and what exactly are gauges? i always hear about them but never bothered to learn

[vital carbon]

the white is so sexy

[wispy flint]

i do like the all white

i also adore matte black

[lethal fractal]

It was my first ever guitar and did the job well :)
String gauges are just the thickness of the strings there is a lot of physics behind how it affects the tone and a lot of things... Depends what kind of metal you want to play I would recommend sticking with passive pickups as you probably dont want to try and route a battery compartment and what not...

[wispy flint]

battery compartment?

[lethal fractal]

https://youtu.be/3t2l2X1zZ2A?si=2KVCSNyUnAM0UY0j

[lethal fractal]

Active pickups use batteries...

Don't worry to much about them for now... I have plenty of passive pickups in my guitars and love them more then my active pickups for some stuff.

[wispy flint]

alright

sorry if i ask what i assume are simple questions, im still fairly new to this lol

[coarse condor]

ive got a spark its the best thing ever

my op

[lethal fractal]

I'm to tired to do a big chat and need to get up in 5 hours so need to go to sleep but if you ever have questions I'm someone you can ping and I'll do my best to help I'm more of a jack of all trades type of person and can do a lot of things really well but not perfectly, I know a few people in this server who have much better information gor certain topics though I study a lot of different things and love information and being everyone's library.

[wispy flint]

i gotcha

thanks

[lethal fractal]

No worries, for that 7 string I wouldn't worry about changing anything unless you are having issues only thing I'd recommend changing are the tuners and getting locking tuners... Otherwise focusing on amps and things of that sort would yield better tone.

[lethal fractal]

Making sure you saw this as well :)

[vital carbon]

Thanks @lethal fractal you the man!

always appreciate your help!

[lethal fractal]

No worries always love helping and chatting with the community

[wispy flint]

right

and ill watch that for sure

danke

[lethal fractal]

Also stick to seven strings I have played and owned a few 8 strings and now onto 9 string guitars and you start running into so many issues and just it's super specialty stuff 7 string I think is the sweet spot nowadays string are an addiction as well... I want to get a 10 string and have ideas for what to write but 9 string is a pain in the butt to try and record and get good tone. If you want lower grt a baritone 7 string the rest is specialty stuff in my opinion.

Also this video is on the topic of the guitar we are talking about...

https://youtu.be/U4Y-z1k3b1A?si=Zwd2pj31SfPSrUam

[wispy flint]

ooooo

[lethal fractal]

Anyways I'm getting to tired that I'm talking about random crao (not fixing that) and starting to jot be able to spell (wow it's getting worsw) (damn) so goodnight hope to chat more tomorrow.

[timid flicker]

Then should i buy the spark? (Im indecisive af)

[lethal fractal]

If you can make sure it has a return policy incase you end up not liking it

[timid flicker]

Ill have to import it from germanyto india

[lethal fractal]

Yea might be hard to get the policy though I would hope most places would offer it.

[timid flicker]

Hmm

Cuz it will take about a month to get here

Ima check rq

30 day money back guarantee

Is that after delivery

[lethal fractal]

No usually that's after receiving it... Also just generally recommend record yourself opening the box incase it does come broken

[coarse condor]

i strongly recommend buying one

[timid flicker]

Thats a must

[timid flicker]

Ill buy one soon, need to save up a bit more

[toxic wharf]

Theres no real limits. Any guitar and almost any pick up can be used for metal. It really depends on taste and preference. If you change tuning a lot, dont go for a floating bridge. If you play heavily downtuned amd distorted music generally higher output pickups are better suited because they tend to boost the uppermids

Depending how far you downtune scale length is something to take into account, but other than that its completely up to your liking!

[wind mauve]

I completely disagree, if you want to be metal you can only have 8-string Ibanez, Jackson, Ernie Ball, or BC Rich and the only pickups you can ever use are Seymour Duncan, if you use fishman you’re a poser or smth idk

[wind mauve]

really what you want to look out for is how it feels and looks for you specifically

you could totally use an Epiphone, Stratocaster, Squier etc for metal

or you could use an Ibanez or a Jackson or a Schecter

it’s all up to personal preference really

[quasi mirage]

Ooo that looks sick

[quasi mirage]

I’m looking into this exact model lol

[lethal fractal]

We are all going to own one

Pings everyone trying to get the whole server to own one and start an army

[toxic wharf]

No

My next 7 string is gonna be a J Larada or a Music Man Kaizen

🤴

[lethal fractal]

Nice

[toxic wharf]

I almost bought a Larada Legion which are the Korean manufactured Larada's, but quality control is apparently not fantastic and especially for the dough that you have to smack down I expect a prestine instrument

With Ernie Ball Music Man thats a given but even a bit more expensive too

I almost bought a Strandberg but than I tried one and was utterly dissapointed

[wind mauve]

strandbergs really seem to be a love or hate thing

i never see any middle ground

[toxic wharf]

Its the neck. Also the ridiculous price when most of their lines are produced in Indonesia

[wind mauve]

i mean i figured that’d be why

[toxic wharf]

The neck is a subjective thing

[wind mauve]

it’s just such a strange dichotomy when other guitar manufacturers with similar products don’t have quite a reputation

like i’ve never seen someone be neutral or lukewarm on strandberg

it’s either “the best thing ever” or “absolute shit”

[toxic wharf]

Yeah, so Strandbergs are considered high end guitars but they do have quite some qc issues