Guitars & Bass

[fading violet]

Woooo guitars

[bronze orbit]

Do you les Paul’s 😂

The white one looks beautiful

[lethal fractal]

Just got my shipping notification for this guitar :)
My RG9PBTGF has also shipped so I got those to look forward to.

Can't wait to play these two guitars.

[bronze orbit]

Hmmm so you like Tim Henson and Mick Gordon, or deftones

[lethal fractal]

9 string is for a project band I'm working on, and yes I do I am seeing Tim live soon... As well my guitar teacher and I learned playing god together so having his guitar would be fun to play on.

As well the 9 string will be fun for jazz.

Not made for it still can be used for it though...

[gleaming wing]

I use my 7 string for jazz

[lethal fractal]

7 strings are fun for jazz as well.

[wind mauve]

so i tried that mateus asato nDSP

made my own "metal" tone

or the best approximation i could

[lethal fractal]

I have an Ibanez addiction 5/7 of my guitars are Ibanez

[acoustic cobalt]

2/2 of my guitars are ibanez 🥱

i think my addiction is worse tbh

[lethal fractal]

My two that aren't, are a classical guitar and a guitar from before WWI so I got no clue who made that one.

[acoustic cobalt]

:0

before WW1 is crazy

[lethal fractal]

I don't know why but I really have always liked Ibanez necks for some reason they have always felt great to me

[acoustic cobalt]

i agree

those nitro necks are just perfect

i have an RGA and it's neck is just beautiful to play

and it looks nice too

maple with a purple heart inlay 😍

[lethal fractal]

True

[acoustic cobalt]

I <3 my RGAIX6MQM (ibanez CANNOT make their names easier)

[lethal fractal]

yep... I'm curious about Tim's guitar and the 9 string I have a guitar still don't know the model it was a gift and too lazy to look but it's great

[wind mauve]

ibanez be like here check out our new guitar the RGABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ69

and the worst part is that i will check it out

been lookin at that QX527 for so long that i can remember the name

and also the RGD71ALMS

[onyx cobalt]

This is insanely delayed but its G#C#G#C#F#A#D# 😁 🫶

[wind mauve]

drop G#

wait

drop G# but also the sixth string is C for some reason

[atomic vigil]

thank you :)

[fading violet]

Have some stuff coming to put my Les Paul modern in drop A#

New pots to install a Nazgul/Jazz set and some thick strings (the only set I could find that might work for me is an Elixir 10-74 8 string set with the high and low strings left out to make a 6 string set)

[toxic wharf]

Thats thick for a 6 string Nazgul pups are awesome though

I think you can go less heavy for drop A#, even on 24.75

[lethal fractal]

This is what I tend to use for 28 inch scale length, I'd recommend using a string tension calculator as well if you know what tension you want... I also will go lighter quite often just depends on what I'm tuned too.

I'm still playing around with strings though finding what is perfect...

[graceful socket]

Sry, didnt see your message before, I could send you the Gojira preset if you want

[wind mauve]

i don't have gojira yet

try doing it on a built-in preset

[graceful socket]

I'll just send you the general values of the knobs and then we can see how it works

[gleaming wing]

I just played God of Fire by Fit for a King on bass

As much as it hurts me to say, it might be more fun than on guitar

[toxic wharf]

Anyone else who has a Ibanez Edge trem system? If so...any way to to solve the plastic torque bushings from wearing out so damn fast?

[slender flower]

Just ordered this bad boy. I can't wait https://www.long-mcquade.com/185332/Guitars/Electric-Guitars/Jackson-Guitars/Pro-Series-Dinky-DK2-Modern-EverTune-7--Ebony-Fingerboard---Primer-Gray.htm

[lethal fractal]

Nice, I really want to try out EverTune or get one installed in one of my guitars

[toxic wharf]

Anyone know how i can hear plugins in real time?

like not after i've recorded

just so i can jam with them

[true glen]

What DAW and how did you plugged in your guitar?

[wind mauve]

you should be able to as long as monitoring is on

[dreamy atlas]

Finally I have a stand so I can show off my first guitar 😂
(Jackson Dinky JS11)

[lethal fractal]

my guitar didn't arrive on time and now I have to wait for your holidays to be done 0-0

[dreamy atlas]

F, show us some pics or some strumming with the 9 string later when it arrives, I'm curious

[lethal fractal]

will do... Also congrats on the stand always nice to have a guitar up to look at.

[dreamy atlas]

Thanks :d
But daym, I've been playing brass instruments (trumpet, tenorhorn, tuba) for 13 years but playing guitar is on another level of hardness
I'm still managing somehow with Justin's guitar lessons and doing some fun song practices (my mother told me, goner from TOP etc) but ye, "practice makes it better" 😂

[lethal fractal]

I've been playing trumpet for 9 years so far... I've always been able to pick up an instrument and play it strangely enough.

I'll try to write something up like this and then I'll record it to send for ya... Then some chug and distorted tapping leads as well.

https://youtu.be/hTshhL-OVLw?si=PaIZJtWpcU_FqdV6

[dreamy atlas]

Nice, keep it up

[lethal fractal]

you too

[modest ravine]

oooo this is really neat

I haven't been playing much guitar at all, let alone my 9 string

[lethal fractal]

You have one?

[modest ravine]

yeah

Schecter Damien Platinum 9

[lethal fractal]

You like the bat inlays or nah?

[modest ravine]

I think they're pretty cool

on the website it says there's a white version but there's no photos online of it

[lethal fractal]

fair

[royal imp]

what do we think of the new axe

[halcyon cairn]

One of the guitars of all time

Looks cool but I could never play this shape myself 😂

[gritty garden]

Looks decent, although the only V shaped guitar I like is the ESP Arrow series

[gleaming wing]

I have a flying v I built myself, and it's the classic Gibson V shape

It's actually super comfortable to play, especially sitting down

[lethal fractal]

I'm not a fan of V bodies, though I am a fan of reversed V headstocks as it even outs the tension of the strings pretty evenly.

[lethal fractal]

I wonder how the bevel feels, actually looks really comfortable.

[gritty garden]

Looks like something out of Star Trek,

[lethal fractal]

it really does, my favorite thing about V bodies is how easy it is to play higher up on the fret board.

[gritty garden]

Cortex Desktop client is here

[wind mauve]

that actually looks pretty damn good

[royal imp]

real, i onlu ever play this standing up the strap button digs into my thigh if i sit and play

[balmy vortex]

It is

[lethal fractal]

fair

[balmy vortex]

We've had plenty of arrows come into our store and they've always played incredibly well

[lethal fractal]

I bet they sound great.

[lethal fractal]

it has arrived

[gleaming wing]

Forgive my ignorance, but where are the pickups?

That is electric right?

[gritty garden]

Inside, like an electro acoustic

[lethal fractal]

now time to plug it into all my distortion pedals.

[gleaming wing]

Interesting

I bet it sounds good

Now you just gotta learn all the polyphia songs

[lethal fractal]

I know playing good, it sounds so good playing it on this guitar

playing god*

[toxic wharf]

Sick guitar. Show us that cover of Playing God 🔥

[lethal fractal]

I'll see if I can record it. I'm still yet to set up a way to play through my computer though now I might figure that out soon.

[gleaming wing]

Awesome

[lethal fractal]

playing it perfectly accurate with that same fingering as Tim does is annoying though when it comes down to it sounding the same because you pick with your finger instead of the plectrum it makes a difference.

[inner mauve]

Bro

Idk wut to do with this guitar i have

Cuz Pawn Shops fr lowball the fuck out of you

[wind mauve]

what’s the guitar tho

[inner mauve]

Agile 727 Interceptor Pro

I dont want it anymore

Its very sexy tho

[gleaming wing]

It is

[toxic wharf]

Is that the Tim Henson one?

[lethal fractal]

yes

[toxic wharf]

Cool

[wind mauve]

fuck me thats hot

is that a 7 string with a whammy bar??

[inner mauve]

y e s

[wind mauve]

[inner mauve]

to me it was a waste of money cuz im too lazy with Floyd Roses so im tryna sell it to buy an 8 string i found

i found out i like hardtails a lot better

well actually everyone does

[wind mauve]

genuinely if i was in a position to be able to buy it i would

but im dirt poor and you're most likely american so it will go unbought

[inner mauve]

i can ship internationally if i was given an extra $300 USD HAHAHAHA

but nah imma stick to Reverb

hopefully someone buys it

[wind mauve]

an extra $300 USD to ship to canada? you're cheaper than most websites

[inner mauve]

oh Canada?

[wind mauve]

[inner mauve]

might be less than $300 nvm

[wind mauve]

y'all be wavin stars and bars we wave the mfin leaf

but yeah no i genuinely couldn't afford it

because if i could i'd be buying that headless ibanez i want

[inner mauve]

i would've bought 2 guitars and thats it lmao

[wind mauve]

the headless ibanez, the axion label w/ fishmans, and the eight string ibanez that are all the same price

i want so bad

but the headless one i want the most so

[inner mauve]

oh god i think i found someone whos willing to do $725

im praying to God he will buy it cuz i want a new guitar

[toxic wharf]

Ill take a good trem system over a hard tail

[inner mauve]

they're cool asf but then if u wanna tune it? its annoying as shit

[toxic wharf]

My ibanez with an original Edge system has probably been my most stable guitar

[inner mauve]

do u struggle with tuning?

[toxic wharf]

You can just tune with the fine tuners

No problem if you know how to set it up. Granted, thats a bit more complex but theres some tricks

[graceful socket]

Folks, I need your help: I'm (again) looking for a decently affordable lefty 8 string. There's literally nothing to be found and it's kind of driving me insane

[modest ravine]

https://www.schecterguitars.com/C-8-Deluxe-LH?quantity=1&custitem_color_master_list=618

[graceful socket]

If only I could find a dealer in EU

[modest ravine]

Can you not order it online to you?

[graceful socket]

Technically yes but I need to find one that ships to or from Europe so that I wont get fucked by import tax and shipping

[gritty garden]

There nothing on thomann?

[digital mesa]

also worth asking for that model in any local stores that carry other schecters. If they have a dealer for other models, they can probably source that one (if it's not a US only model)

[graceful socket]

Very little, only like 2 or 3 models, all of them exceeding my budget

[toxic wharf]

Just get a 6 string

[graceful socket]

That's a good idea, I'mma ask my usual dealer, maybe they can help

[granite fern]

How much you selling it for?

[lethal fractal]

Seems like this is what currently might sell for... #1095986343848448020 message
I could be wrong though.

[inner mauve]

$725 shipped

Some guy wants me to do a Down payment and he'll pay me every bi-weekly

I agreed to it

Gonna wait a fuck long time for the full amount

[lethal fractal]

I'm assuming he gets it once he's fully paid it off?

[inner mauve]

Yes

Once he pays everything then I will send it to him

But i really wanted to buy a guitar I saw on Reverb by selling the guitar but hes the only customer I got so there was no choice

Well there was one other "customer"

[inner mauve]

The guy sent the money, big W today bois

[wind mauve]

[lethal fractal]

Nice

[graceful socket]

Let's gooo, nice

[balmy vortex]

Let me take a look for ya what I can do for ya. I work for a Schechter dealer in Europe

Whats your exact budget?

[graceful socket]

That's one of my limiting issues: My budget is pretty small, like something around 700€ max

But if you come up with something please let me know, thank you a lot :)

[balmy vortex]

So the c-8 Deluxe lefty is €749,- with tax included. Shipping is included in there as well as long as you're in the EU

[balmy vortex]

An RG8WH with an added Lundgren m8 bridge(it definitely needs this) would be 700€ brand new. We could do the install and the same shipping stuff applies

[graceful socket]

I'm not at home rn, I'll get back to you, thanks

[balmy vortex]

This shit is guuuuud

[modern skiff]

My dumbass can’t figure out how to properly play particular chords or notes. So I just keep using e chord, power chords and only like 3 and a minor/major scale, and picking is a bit of a headache in my opinion qwq

[graceful socket]

Can you dm me the details for both?

[lethal fractal]

learn your triads on the string sets, as well as some cord theory, the notes on the fret board and your intervals between the strings, you should be able to then play cords pretty easily, how long have you been playing?

[modern skiff]

At least a year or two. But I haven’t practiced all that much

There’s chord theory too qwq, aaaa man fair enough qwq, kk I could learn a thing or two about notes on the feet board. I’m personally too lazy to research it or look up up it qwq

[lethal fractal]

Just don't start Jazz cord theory or do it just hurts your brain more.
I could send you the 5 scale patterns and how they connect as well as the triad shapes.
I could give you a lesson on cord theory and fret board navigation, though plenty of that online.

[modern skiff]

Dude, that would be sick asf man. If you wouldn’t mind ofc uwu

[lethal fractal]

Alright you're getting me out of bed haha I'll get you those, you play 8, 7 or 6 string guitar?

[lethal fractal]

Here's also just something you can mess around with for fun.

hopefully discord doesn't ruin the photo

[modern skiff]

Oh yeah, I have thr exact same poster dude!

[modern skiff]

Just study this? Some of - actually most of them are hard to play qwq tbh

[lethal fractal]

Nice.

[toxic wharf]

Practice

[lethal fractal]

They shouldn't really be all that hard, so ya practice them.

[modern skiff]

Guhhhh, but effort and dedication and time 😩

[toxic wharf]

Those are quite basic chords

[modern skiff]

Ik Ik, but I’m not sure or 100% if I’m even playing them right

[toxic wharf]

No extended chords like 9th's

Take some lessons for a few weeks if you are really unsure...

[modern skiff]

Play a d flat 7

[lethal fractal]

Are you able to read the cord shapes?

[lethal fractal]

Okay

[toxic wharf]

It also depends what you wanna play

[modern skiff]

Like want the privilege to see how it’s played know you?

[toxic wharf]

If you wanna play Oasis songs shirtless on a beach dont put in the effort

[modern skiff]

Grindcore, power violence, hard core punk, punk in general, maybe some industrial metal

[modern skiff]

Wym lol 😂

[toxic wharf]

You can play that stuff after a week of playing

So you dont need to put in the effort that you dread

[modern skiff]

Ok bet, anywhere I can share my progress? On the channels or just here

Nvm

[toxic wharf]

Yeah here is fine

Or feedback channel

[lethal fractal]

Here is one way to play that.

[modern skiff]

Jesus qwq, and here I have a 8 sting

[lethal fractal]

I have a 9 string on its way... used to play a lot of 8 string.

I'm assuming you meant "an 8 string"

[modern skiff]

Jdent 👀

[modern skiff]

Yes yea

[lethal fractal]

No, not really going to be using it for a lot of big taping arpeggios and then some rhythm and cord stuff for a project band I'm working on, then some personal stuff writing jazz and funk on it.

2 handed tapping*

Some stuff like this:
#1095986343848448020 message

[slender flower]

New guitar day 😦 thanks purolator

[gritty garden]

That's annoying right on the tip of the headstock. At least you should be able to return it for a refund/replacement

[slender flower]

Yeah true enough, just super annoying. Also has a crack right behind the nut 😦

[gritty garden]

Yeah annoying but at least it's not from a private seller so you're covered

[balmy vortex]

Rip jackson

[toxic wharf]

Sorry man. Thats annoying! Hope everything will be sorted.

[balmy vortex]

Mick Thomson Sig?

[gritty garden]

Isn't that solid white the Jackson model

[balmy vortex]

True

Also a soloist, so this is probably a dinky

[bronze orbit]

I figured out my live rig last night

Had a di box going mono into my focusrite which went into my pedal and guitar and the di box was going through the PA

So I’m probably gonna do that for the future it sounded heavy af

[slender flower]

yea i got this one https://www.long-mcquade.com/185332/Guitars/Electric-Guitars/Jackson-Guitars/Pro-Series-Dinky-DK2-Modern-EverTune-7--Ebony-Fingerboard---Primer-Gray.htm

[scenic dune]

You guys know of any good wireless guitar systems?

[lethal fractal]

like wireless quarter inch cables

[toxic wharf]

Line 6 Relay systems worked for me

[scenic dune]

Something like that

[lethal fractal]

The line 6 is good as mentioned it really depends on your price point and what you're willing to pay or sacrifice with latency.

[toxic wharf]

I think I need more distortion

[verbal fossil]

sounds like you forgot to add 1 metalzone

[wispy flint]

curious question

would yall consider wondeful life by bmth an easy song

or easy-ish

im not particularly a beginner but im not great you know, plus i cant really tune my guitar higher than drop a# rn (it's mad old so the strings are under decent tension)

i plan to get a 7 string later this year

hopefully, anyways lol

but until then, i need to stick it to lower tunings

[lethal fractal]

I would say you could learn how to play it within 2 days by sight reading it learning it from memory just comes down to repetition, both the guitar parts for the tab I have found seem really simple. Just need to count for the rests that show up from time to time.

[wispy flint]

right

fair nuff

thanks

[lethal fractal]

For the first day start it at a slow tempo, it's a lot of repetition of the same riff so learning that riff up to speed the learning the next section then you can add it all together on the 2nd day.

[wispy flint]

gotcha

makes sense

[lethal fractal]

Interesting thumb position, fun guitar though.

[azure burrow]

It's a old picture, but yeah i did have a weird picking style then. I pick different now because it kinda hurt my thumb 👍

[wind mauve]

i see

[lethal fractal]

Picking looks fine, it is the fretting hand.

I'm assuming that's what you meant though?
I could also just be completely not understanding what I'm looking at and sounding dumb, as for possibly the reaction to my comment 😅

[balmy vortex]

For the evertune fans

[verbal fossil]

the evertune and fishman fluence modern combo

[bronze orbit]

Question personal kinda question

Is it petty for me to be annoyed at my band for not giving me credit on our song but gave the other guitarist who wasn’t in the band yet credit?

I mean I paid for my tracking time and partially for the mix and master and I’m not mentioned on the track but someone who didn’t work on it was

[toxic wharf]

Did you (co)write the tune?

It also depends on the agreements within the band overall

[toxic wharf]

Bruh...that color is absolutely stunning

[balmy vortex]

If only it didn't have the evertune

[toxic wharf]

Whats that ibby model?

That model needs an edge or lo pro edge

[bronze orbit]

I wrote the guitar parts

[gritty garden]

Are the other members credited? I'm wondering if because they're not part of the band they got a separate mention.

[bronze orbit]

Everyone else was credited

[toxic wharf]

Thats weird and warrants a chat

[bronze orbit]

Vocalist said it was a mistake and still hasn’t updated it

[gritty garden]

Yep, warrants a chat indeed... wouldn't surprise me if they slyly pushed you out of the band if it repeatedly happens.

[toxic wharf]

Than its solved and some patience is fine I suppose if they acknowledge the mistake

[bronze orbit]

That’d be a dumb move because I have the practice space lmao

[toxic wharf]

Lol damn.

Theres better and more mature ways to do that like sleeping with the bandmates partner

[gritty garden]

Like I said, if it repeatedly happens then there might be an ulterior motive. But a genuine one off mistake can happen

[bronze orbit]

I told the vocalist when it came out a few weeks ago and he thought it wasn’t big of a deal but I’m the type of guy who credits everyone

Even if I paid them

[toxic wharf]

See...thats why I just use vst's

[bronze orbit]

Lol smart

I see why so many people don’t wanna be in bands now

I love it don’t get me wrong but a lot of stress

[toxic wharf]

I dont know...being in a band is great. But theres always people making a fuss without even having made your first proper cash

My rule is: make some solid money first and than try to see if you can weasle more out of it than your bandmates

[bronze orbit]

Yeah true that’s a money issue in the band

I have money saved but I don’t like dipping into it even though I’m fine if I do

And also I don’t wanna be the only one or the one majority paying I rather everyone chip in 20% so it’s equal

Technically it’s not my band it’s the vocalist if it was my own thing maybe I’d be more willing to dump lots of money into it

[toxic wharf]

I think it depends. In my last band we had sort of a business arrangement and you could buy out certain tasks like promotion duties, venue stalking, arranging line ups with other bands and so forth

Those tasks switched no matter what amd if you didnt have time to do it you could put money in the pot which was used for expenses

[bronze orbit]

Yeah maybe we need a business meeting 😂

Also don’t smoke or drink anything that ain’t water before the fucking show lmao

[toxic wharf]

Well, I think ALL bands do, unless you are just janming some tunes and drinking beers or sodas with some buddies

[toxic wharf]

Why not?

[bronze orbit]

For my vocalist it gets him less energetic

[toxic wharf]

Micromanaging aint healthy

[bronze orbit]

He was high during our set and was talking to the crowd like if we were talking together or something

[toxic wharf]

Let the guy have some beers if hes not flat out drunk

[bronze orbit]

I guess it’s different as someone not into that stuff

[toxic wharf]

Guitar organ pedal sounds nice in a mix

[azure burrow]

Sorry In that picture I was doing a slide on the fret board when that pit ture was taken, sorry for the misunderstanding lol

That's my fault

[lethal fractal]

No worries, as long as you're having fun shredding and strumming that's what matters.

[azure burrow]

Oh yeah I always do!

When I get a bit older I would love to become a musician

[lethal fractal]

For sure, it's a fun gig and a good way to make side money as well if it never gets super serious and stays fun.

[azure burrow]

Yeah

[lethal fractal]

As well learning even basic vocals can be really useful for in a band, depending on the genre but lots of times having backup vocals is really cool and fun.

[brisk briar]

Haven’t posted here before. Have a gear post. Had this guitar for about 1.5 years now and I love the thing. Pretty far from your long scale extended range breakdown machine (I have an RGD for that), but damn if it doesn’t sound awesome, and neck single coils are just the best

Anyway, I’d also appreciate some bass advice. Kind of sick of using the fake bass built into Logic and want to actually sit down and get decent at bass. I’m figuring a 5 string is the way to go, but not sure beyond that. Looked at everything from the usual Fenders, to an Ibanez multi scale, to some Yamahas. My heart longs for a P-bass, but I feel like I should see what else is out there

[verbal fossil]

Cant really help you with basses cuz i use VSTs like djinn bass or umansky bass lmao

[toxic wharf]

Thats a beautiful looking strat!

Looks well taken care off

[balmy vortex]

New arrival at axe palace. For y'all polyphia stans

[brisk briar]

Thanks! The photo is from like a day after I got it, so it should

[brisk briar]

Ooooo that’s pretty!

[balmy vortex]

For sale now so get it while you can

[toxic wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKMZsXY75d4&ab_channel=Plini

New archetype Plini update

[balmy vortex]

One of the rarer guitars we got in

[toxic wharf]

UGH DIPPED JEM

[balmy vortex]

PIA*

[toxic wharf]

Its a PIA?

[balmy vortex]

Yes

[toxic wharf]

Ah yeah I see now

Different monkey handle

[balmy vortex]

In 2020 the jem got discontinued for the Pia with the flower petal grip

[toxic wharf]

How many did they made of those dipped?

[balmy vortex]

Not many, I'm not sure of the numbers tbh

[toxic wharf]

Really cool they made a dipped variant of the pia too. I thought it was one of those Jem's from which there are very few.

[balmy vortex]

It'll most likely be in the 2 digits

[wind mauve]

abasi x when

if anything would benefit from transpose

that bassy as fuck rhythm amp

let me BoS the fuck outta my tone

[toxic wharf]

Just get the plini one @wind mauve

[glacial osprey]

I have Gojira, Nolly, and Soldano plugins. Waiting on those to get the X upgrade

[wind mauve]

idk that the plini one would have advantages on abasi

for the type of stuff i want to do

abasi and gojira and maybe Tim Henson are the ones that i would need

[toxic wharf]

Better cleans and leads imo than Abasi. Also more clarity in more high gain territory, but not really suited for deathcore tones.

The Tim Henson one is pretty neat as well, but I wouldnt use it a lot so didnt buy it.

[wind mauve]

actually i’m extremely happy with my lead from Abasi

i want gojira for more 5150-style rhythms

but i’m in a-standard/drop-g territory

[toxic wharf]

Ah yeah, you can also go for the Nolly one. It has a very good 5150 style amp

And sounds tight on low tunings

[wind mauve]

i think i tried the nolly one and wasn’t entirely convinced

[toxic wharf]

I think its the easiest one to mix tbh.

[wind mauve]

i had an excellent trivium tone i set up on gojira when i had the trial

[teal quartz]

damn this looks nice man

[teal quartz]

plini is so good

[toxic wharf]

The best

[balmy vortex]

Colourshift is always nice

[glacial osprey]

https://youtu.be/6VL2Ei3c4FU?si=4sH9E8_pOjUCuYOA

[graceful socket]

Okay, where are my music theory nerds at, I could use some input: I´m an idiot when it comes to music theory but want to get into it at least somewhat. Now everything I´m finding is mostly related to Standard Tuning stuff. Is that applicable to drop tunings as well, or how would I best go about learning theory for dropped stuff?

[toxic wharf]

The theory is the same

For a dropped tuning only the intervallic relation between your low dropped string and the adjacent string changes. Instead of a fourth its a fifth (powerchord). But theory wise nothing changes

[graceful socket]

aight, ty

[azure burrow]

Something I'm working on 👌

[lethal fractal]

6 or 7 string?

Active or passive pickups, or does it not matter...? As well would you want a baritone guitar or no?
Sorry for all the questions just trying to get as solid of an understanding to what you might want.

[lethal fractal]

I don't have any personal knowledge or experience with Solar Guitars but I know people who have them and reviews on them are good I like how they look, they look very comfortable despite my disliking V shapes.
Also it seems like you're going for a guitar to have fun and learn on rather than something to perform with and down the line you can always upgrade parts.

I have played Jackson's Vs I dislike the shape and don't find them comfortable, though they sound good as well I have a friend who has a standard scale length and with thicker strings that plays in drop A on his six-string and it plays quite well still.

Wait for other people's responses as well as do your research try and go to local stores and play what's on the walls.

Drop B or drop C you could get like a 26.5 inch scale length or just use thicker strings. You could also get a 7 string and that you can even play in B standard easily

If that's what you want to go for.

[toxic wharf]

For drop C thats completely fine

Mastodon even plays on B tunings on Les Paul style guitars sonyou could get away with it, but drop C with a mixed set is perfectly good

[lilac compass]

I have a Mitchell t331 acoustic and my strings broke any good recommendations?

[lethal fractal]

Really any acoustic string set, it's all personal preference.

[void dome]

I have a question regarding my amp, I've tried connecting 2 separate sets of headphones (one being the Audio Technica ATH-M50X, and the other the HyoerX Alpha 2) and they both only produce sound out of the left side while connected to the amp, would anyone happen to know what the situation is?

[gritty garden]

Is the jack pushed in all the way?

[void dome]

Yeah I guess so, I tried pushing it in even further just incase but it wouldnt budge

[gritty garden]

The sound from your amp will be mono, hence only hearing it in one ear... but you should be hearing a mono signal through BOTH earphones.

[void dome]

Ok I understand that and it makes sense, just not sure why the sound is only coming through the right side

[gritty garden]

What amp is it?

[void dome]

Fender Frontman 20g

[gritty garden]

Weird. What about if you pull it out slightly from being fully inserted? Just wondering if it's an issue with the contact points of the jack on the amp.

[void dome]

i can give that a go

So it seems that pulling it out to a very precise point fixes the issue however I have to hold it in that position

[gritty garden]

Yea, sounds like it's a contact point issue with the jack on the amp which can be a common thing on the lower priced practice amps. There might be a point where it clicks and you don't need to hold it. But if not, you might just have to accept it's only going to output to one ear

[void dome]

Thank you for helping me to figure this out, great help 🙂 I'll play around with it and see if I can find the sweet spot

[fathom nymph]

hallo! any bass players willing to play smth kinda proggy and complicated?

ping me for response ^^

[bright latch]

What strings should I use if I want to play in drop c on bass?

[gleaming wing]

I used standard strings for a while for all the way down to B standard

Not the most professional thing lol but it works

[bright latch]

I like a tight feel. Like no spaghetti strings

[gleaming wing]

Yeah

I bought new strings for my bass recently but I accidentally got strings for a 5 string bass

So I'm like ooh I'll just keep it in B standard

[bright latch]

I play a 4 string bass

[gleaming wing]

And it's been awesome

Yeah I just used the bottom 4 strings

So it's super thicc

[toxic wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYFNKsSObrg&ab_channel=oSTNL

The metal guitar world really needs an intervention.

[gritty garden]

If you want to play that low, just buy a bass imho

[toxic wharf]

Yeah...I even think 8 string guitars sound pretty bad or uninspired in most circumstances

[gritty garden]

Unless you're JT

[toxic wharf]

Or Tosin

[gritty garden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvKjO3a0Rs

[toxic wharf]

Lol that riff is mad

[open fjord]

https://www.musicradar.com/news/spiritbox-guitarist-mike-stringer-is-roadtesting-guitars-unlike-anything-jackson-and-aristides-have-made-before?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=social&utm_content=musicradar&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR0w_DM_W9CBE1A6P1kVVFXWckeo3j7VLGOTccFwgNtUgDruR9vWylCSFmQ

[glacial osprey]

Still just 26.5" for the Jacksons? Doesn't make much sense for the usual tunings they do

At least 27 or 28 makes more sense

[open fjord]

I mean Mark Holcomb uses a 26.5 for his signature PRS. Works for him.

[toxic wharf]

For a 7 string 26.5 is perfectly fine. Some 7 strings even have a 25.5 inch scale length which can still work if you dont downtune

Drop A is possible on a 25.5 scale length without too many issues.

Though it might not be ideal

[open fjord]

Depends. I think drop A is completely and perfectly fine on a 25.5, 10s it might be a little floppy but with 11s your fine.

[toxic wharf]

Yeah, thats what I said...its still possible to play drop A even on a 25.5 scale length without any big issues.

[open fjord]

Oh lol. I'm sorry my brain is short circuiting this morning lol.

[toxic wharf]

I do think if you put very thick strings on the axe to compensate your tone will suffer in the end, but 11's are fine. They are still a bit floppy I think on a 25.5 though, but not too bad.

[open fjord]

Well Strats for example were initially built to take thick ass strings. Guess it just depends on what you set up your guitar for.

[toxic wharf]

Yeah, thats true, but not for heavy distorted tones. It will mud up pretty quickly

Sounds great for bluesy break up tones, but very thick strings in combination with heavy gain = mud town.

[open fjord]

Tell that to Jim Root.

[lethal fractal]

https://youtu.be/dHLG5dAlfaA?si=APS7n8nZjls58suW

Those are some wild looking frets.

[wind mauve]

what the hell

[toxic wharf]

I will when I speak to him. Doubt he cares since he uses 11-56. So hardly really thick.

Slightly thicker than a regular hybrid set of 0.10-56

[balmy vortex]

he uses a dunlop 11-56 and a 12-64 set for drop b and drop A respectively

[balmy vortex]

jim root uses a high output emg pickup for his main slipknot rig lol

not really a regular strat

[loud ember]

so any tips for playing pinch harmonics? I've never had much luck with them

[gleaming wing]

Practice

[loud ember]

true, like I've tried but never had much luck

[gleaming wing]

In my experience it's not something that you can just figure out how to do and just play it, it takes a lot of time to just get the feel for it. And it tends to have a different feel on every guitar too

[loud ember]

yeah

[wind mauve]

actually i disagree

once you figure out how to do it on your guitar, you just gotta practice the technique until you can do it consistently

start by doing it on the higher strings where it's easier, work your way up to the thick strings, and pick a song with a riff that has a pinch harmonic in it and learn the fuck outta that riff

[glacial osprey]

G string is usually pretty simple. May be your pick grip too. Just experiment with different spots along the string for finding optimal harmonic nodes

[lethal fractal]

My first step is just finding where the harmonics are on the string past the fret board by either slowly sliding down the string when playing or just taping the string.

You need a good pick grip and then it's just practice

My guitar teacher just showed me and I could do it so I never really had to learn how to do it on my own technique wise, though for finding the spot without being able to do it just trying to find the harmonics first I tend to find is good.

[toxic wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/nike-just-do-it-gif-26636514

[loud ember]

literally been trying that bud

[loud ember]

oh i had been doing it on a low string, but i can try on a higher string (using a 7 string)

[toxic wharf]

Haha yeah no worries. Theres not really any secret to it. Like @gleaming wing said...theres even differences between guitars.

[loud ember]

yeah

[toxic wharf]

Even the pro's sometimes tend to mess them up a little bit do that. Its just building some experience with the guitar you are playing.

Finding where the harmonics are places by looking at a reference point (usually the pick ups)

[loud ember]

for sure, i'll keep playing around with it

[toxic wharf]

Im assuming you have the technique down with the pick and the thumb which is is all to it.

[loud ember]

oh definitely

[toxic wharf]

Other than that...thats really it. Finding some reference points. Memorizing them and than you will still miss them a bit 10% of the time 🥲

[gleaming wing]

Pinch harmonics are very difficult

At least to play consistently

[lethal fractal]

I tend to find the thinnest wound string to be the easiest

[loud ember]

thanks, i'll try it out

[lethal fractal]

There are some decent videos online not sure if you have looked at any

[toxic wharf]

For me the G string is the easiest.

D and G strings.

I think I dont use pinch harmonics a lot on the high E though. I should pay some more attention to it.

[lethal fractal]

I find them much much harder on the strings that aren't wound... You have to be so light with the touch they sound good though, the thicker strings are more forgiving with your touch.

[toxic wharf]

Yeah, but somehow the G string works for me. I find the lowest string and the highest the most difficult tbh.

[lethal fractal]

I do too that's why I said the smallest wound string I find it's the most forgiving but it's all personal touch. Doing them on the lowest string on an 8 string is hard I'm interested to see how dumb they sound on my 9 string

[wind mauve]

cop or drop 🔥🔥💯

[toxic wharf]

Drop.

[wind mauve]

wrong!

[toxic wharf]

But I hate cars.

[lethal fractal]

That's not a guitar?

[toxic wharf]

It is both

[lethal fractal]

It doesn't have 4 wheels, an engine or the capability of carrying passengers on a road.

[lethal fractal]

If I ever intended to play it my guitar strap/anti drop system would probably be more expensive then the guitar.

[bright latch]

I am building a guitar. What color should I paint it?

[verbal fossil]

Nice car Key

[wind mauve]

sounds like you need to hit the gym more

surprised no one’s brought up the pickups tho

like yeah the body is weird

the pickups are unorthodox as well

[lethal fractal]

I'd be more worried the strap is going to break not that I can't hold it... I've dropped to many guitars on my toes from straps coming off.

[balmy vortex]

Working on some reels for the gram for work. Shitll be nice once I get the audio part setup

[wind mauve]

i mean realistically you're not meant to play that standing up

much like how you're not supposed to drive a car standing up

[lethal fractal]

Yea

[wind mauve]

i don't even see any strap locks on it

i mean there's also no strings so it might just not be done yet

[lethal fractal]

Wasn't there that trend going on for standing cars? Where you like lean to drive them

[wind mauve]

idk bout that, all i know about standing in cars is that my one buddy is 4'1 and stands up at intersections to see around corners

[balmy vortex]

Well, he doesn't have much of a choice at that height

[wind mauve]

poor guy

[balmy vortex]

Get some good straplocks

[wind mauve]

he also drives this hyundai veloster and every time he breaks you hear this sound like an air pump decompressing and it is like

you can hear it down the street, very clearly

it makes me worry a little bit

[waxen wadi]

Anyone else ever feel like their setup is kinda different from the day prior?

I got this vintage mod squire and i was hitting hella sick harmonic bombs and today it just sounds so dull and dead, I didn’t change anything so I’m really god damn confuzzulated over it

Sorry I ask questions so often, I just would rather intelligent people answer me instead of some doofus on google saying some fuckin voodoo witchcraft shit I don’t understand

[dire kayak]

confuzzulated is a cringe word that makes people laugh at you behind your back. Also the issue could be within wiring or strings potentially, have you tried eliminating potential causes of the issue, like process of elimination?

[waxen wadi]

I’ve tried 3 piece of shit patch cords, 4 of my guitars and I tried different outlets, I’ve no fuckin clue what the hell is going on

And idc what people think of me at all, if you laugh at me behind my back great, don’t effect me in any way 😂

[dire kayak]

so the issue is only the guitar or the amp

[waxen wadi]

Fuck bud I really don’t wanna spend more money on stuff since I gotta spend $400 on my truck to get the thing running again

I might give it another whirl here in a few minutes n see what happens, maybe it’s just one of them daysman idk

[tawny marten]

Does anyone know what kind of guitar Nik is using? Is it a baritone?

Also, I'm a newb at guitars, I've always just thought that guitarists purchased heavy gauge strings. But that might not be the only case?

Did some reading on Baritones today, and I guess it's more common then I thought (at least in the heavier range)

Would you say that it is essential to own a baritone model to be able to properly drop to C and lower?

[gleaming wing]

I don't think so.

[tawny marten]

Do you know from experience? Or are you guessing?

[gleaming wing]

Well I've tuned my normal guitar all the way down to drop G and it worked

Is it professional? I have no clue

[glacial osprey]

He mainly uses a John Petrucci signature and an aristides 8 string. The 8 string will have a longer scale length but everything else is normal

[bright latch]

It’s a explorer shape guitar

[toxic wharf]

:( but it’s same

[toxic wharf]

Dark green

[lethal fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/noooo-abdul-badr-abdulhd-please-no-dont-do-it-gif-16217671651440685863

[toxic wharf]

Yes.

[wind mauve]

his 6 and 7 at least are Ernie Ball Music Man

music men?

and his 8 might be but i dont remember

[lethal fractal]

He has two 8 strings to our/my knowledge.

[wind mauve]

i've only seen it for the mick gordon in 30s

which is more like doom 2016 in 30s cause if you've heard mick's extended discography he's actually decently varied

for example he had a track on the Killer Instinct remake (which fucking BANGED btw) that he did with Little V. and it's basically a metalcore instrumental with the craziest breakdown ever

[bright latch]

Bet

[lethal fractal]

https://youtu.be/Z_voqLhC-0I?si=7cRPcz9KQWr-rlvx

https://youtu.be/IcNXNFbv-v8?si=M0d_wE_3ydNPQi1h

Those are the two I know of

He has a few 6 and 7 strings you can see them in the like 500 heaviest riff video and all the videos like the specific drop tuning videos.
I know he has/had a Shecter you can see it in most of the older videos.

I think he has two or 3 six string music man's

[wind mauve]

well the music mans are what he uses normally

so thats what im going off of

[lethal fractal]

He also has/had an ESP E-II I'm just going off of memory from what I remember close to me from watching as somehow an even younger child.

I mainly remember the Schecters as that's when I started watching was when those where being used only.

[wind mauve]

idk i didnt know about nik until he did The Rumbling with Kyle Anderson imma be honest

[lethal fractal]

Fair enough I mean we all are here now in this great community, I've been watching since I was 9 I find that so nuts to think about.

Now I'm going back through videos and wow some videos that felt like yesterday are 2 years ago

I wonder if he still have the blue 6 string music man it's a really pretty guitar.

[lethal fractal]

I think it'd a 7 string actually

[gritty garden]

The Music Man 8 was a loaner for the video to promote it.

[gritty garden]

Yep the Eclipse he got for winning Shredders of Metal 2

Those are what we have down in the command for stream:
GUITARS: Aristides 080R, Ernie Ball JP7/JP6, Schecter Blackjack ATX 7, Schecter Hellraiser C1, ESP EII Eclipse

[lethal fractal]

Thanks phrost

[open fjord]

I've never actually seen Nik use an ESP before. I know he used to use Schecters all the time before he switched to EBMM.

Which does Nik still have that Music Man endorsement or nah?

[gritty garden]

Yeah he's still endorsed by them

[open fjord]

Sweeeeet

Honestly I'm surprised he hasn't even been in talks to get a sig.

Man deserves one.

I mean Jared Dines, Fluff, and soon Rabea all have sigs with Music Man.

With how creative Nik is I think he should get one (personal opinion).

[toxic wharf]

Yoooo, the transpose function on the new Plini Archetype is better than the Petrucci one

[open fjord]

It is?

[toxic wharf]

Yeah it works more smoothly. Less latency

[open fjord]

Huh. Never noticed

[bright latch]

Can someone suggest me a great guitar plugin that’s free that isn’t roots?

[elfin crane]

Hey everyone, I'm a bassist with a fair bit of experience looking to buy my own bass (I've just been borrowing an old one) I am learning death metal and deathcore and metalcore, and don't know if I should buy a 5 string bass to play all these genres or stay on a traditional 4 string, any advice?

Most of the songs I am learning use a 5 string but I'm just unsure if I should get my own or not

[graceful socket]

It´s always good to have your own instrument. It´s yours, you arent reliant on someone borrowing you theirs, it´s also about consistency and getting a feel for the instrument and I imagine it´ll also be a different feeling playing it when it´s actually your own

[lethal fractal]

If you are learning songs that implement a 5 string bass then I'd say get one, you can still play all the same stuff you could on a 4 string bass.
Before buying a 5 string go try some out at your music store and see if you like how the neck feels.

[bright latch]

It’s here!!!

[lethal fractal]

Have fun

[gleaming wing]

Those kits are fun

[bright latch]

It’s my first kit! This if give me a idea more or less what my signature model would be like if I ever do get famous and get one

[bright latch]

What color should I paint it?

[gleaming wing]

I think you should stain it a dark green

[lethal fractal]

I like that idea Staining it green so you keep the grain maybe do an oil slick finish and a clear coat

[bright latch]

I don’t know how to do finishes. This is my first time building a gutter

[toxic wharf]

Gween.

[toxic wharf]

Yeah for sure now. I tried both and the new Plini X has more clarity on detuner.

Which makes sense, since Neural DSP keeps tweaking there archetype's for the releases on the QC

[wind mauve]

chrome

reflective chrome

and then when you play it at a venue and the stage lights are on everyone in the crowd just gets fuckin obliterated

[loud ember]

honestly i do want to learn tapping as well, like I can do hammer-ons ok but not pull-offs

[lethal fractal]

Keeping practicing, if you ever get into two hand tapping and tapping with sweep picking you can make some very interesting sounds.

[loud ember]

well i can't sweep either, so

[lethal fractal]

Well then

[loud ember]

yes

binary time

[lethal fractal]

https://youtu.be/YnFNTb78w3A?si=Xe6Xnx_Os9iSxZV3

I can't wait to get my 9 string and do this sort of dumb stuff.

[gleaming wing]

That's insane

[dusk flint]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxmhpCevGMg

Just got this in my recommended which was sick asf

[balmy vortex]

For you lefty's here

[wispy flint]

god damn

[wind mauve]

what are the five knobs for?

does one pickup just not get a volume knob?

[verbal fossil]

i think 3 of them are a bass/mid/treble EQ

[glacial osprey]

And one will be a pickup selector/blender

Switch is probably a passive/active

[wind mauve]

i've actually never seen that on a guitar before, neat

[verbal fossil]

this one is pretty popular in modern metal i see it almost everywhere

[wind mauve]

it is a good looking guitar

but im still enamoured with that headless ibanez

[glacial osprey]

Bunch of basses do that

Dingwall site
Controls
Master volume
4-Position Quad-tone Pickup Selector
3-Band Active EQ (Bass, Low-Mid, High-Mid)
Active/Passive Toggle Switch

[verbal fossil]

so the knobs are 1 volume 1 pickup selector then the 3 band EQ like i said and the switch is passive/active

[wind mauve]

neat

[verbal fossil]

also the electronics for the EQ is a darkglass 3

it's a pretty good bass but the price is a bit high

[wind mauve]

ah yes

3k CAD

[verbal fossil]

well the one i have here is the 6 string version

well the 5 string is not much less

[wind mauve]

still $3k CAD

[balmy vortex]

From top to bottom: volume, pickup selecter, low, mid, high and the switch is to turn on and off the preamp

[teal quartz]

I have a question

I have a pedal board but the cables keep making annoying sounds so I want to replace them with plugs

Those plugs have a bigjack 6.3mm output on each side but I cannot find them, do you guys know what they're called?

[wind mauve]

hm, i think i found a technically better option for headless seven string guitar: https://www.guitarcenter.com/Legator/G7FP-Ghost-Performance-7-Multi-Scale-Electric-Guitar-Snow-Fall-1500000366268.gc

this one has the 27" scale length that the ibanez doesnt and it is cheaper

the problem is getting it into canada and some reviews are saying the pickups aren't great

[lethal fractal]

Legator guitars have always been controversial on build quality some are quite nice but then can suck just as bad.

[wind mauve]

hm, fair enough

so if i buy one and it comes to me dogshit do i return it

[lethal fractal]

If it's unplayable and you don't have anyone able to fix it... I think a lot of people buy pickups on the side and just put new pickups into them.

[wind mauve]

also i do have a friend with a legator which he let me borrow a while back and his seemed fine, had a custom bridge pickup too

[wind mauve]

ye my plan was to just slot some fishmen in there

cause the big thing for me with the ibanez qx527 is that its a 25.5" scale and i cant really replace the pickups as it has a set unique to the qx series designed for it's five position switch and power tap switch

with this one it's 27", fanned frets, and the pickups are just some basic ones so i can gut it and put some solid ones in there

[lethal fractal]

Probably be good then in the body and neck have defects return it, the fret ends sometimes are sticking out but that's an easier fix.

[wind mauve]

sick

it's also significantly cheaper than the ibanez, comes out to $1711 CAD and the MSRP of the qx527 is $1700 before shipping + taxes

so once i save up enough i can buy it and the pickups too for the price i would've paid for the ibanez

[lethal fractal]

I know rings of Saturn uses a 9 string Legator

[lethal fractal]

I mean why not... sometimes buying a "cheaper" guitar but adding nice equipment can be cheaper then a nice guitar from the factory because you don't have to do as much work.

[wind mauve]

ye there is an 8 string variant of this one too

i just feel like i prefer 7 strings

this is one of the reviews i saw as well, i feel like most of these problems can be ironed out tho

the pickups imma replace, the bar chord issue sounds like a skill issue imma be honest, the not staying in tune part is the one that's slightly worrying

[lethal fractal]

Yea I mean if you won't be using the extended range and still want the high notes then more strings is better but you can just down tune and 7 strings I always will prefer over 6 just because of scales you can start any 6 string scale pattern in the key of your lowest string and can chug on the low string then do a run of apart of the scale where it's a bit different on a 6 string still fully possible...

[lethal fractal]

This could be due to so many factors... Some fanned guitars if you bar on the first fret you will go over the nut, though I mainly see that with 10 string guitars so idk about that.
Leveling the frest isn't hard either.

[wind mauve]

i mean the extended range is mostly for downtuning as i've been told that 25" scales aren't good for it

[lethal fractal]

Even the tuning stability if it is hardware that can be replaced if it's a neck issue I mean can be replaced but not worth it.

[lethal fractal]

Yea they aren't

[wind mauve]

yea so i think imma be workin towards saving for this and some fishman heafsters for pickups

[lethal fractal]

Nice, hopefully everything works out.

[wind mauve]

[toxic wharf]

This yeah

[toxic wharf]

Depends how far you wanna downtune

On a 25.5 7 string you can quite easily go to drop A

[wind mauve]

A standard/drop G is what i usually tune to

[toxic wharf]

Drop G is doable but its not great

You need quite thicker strings which is not great for the tone

[dire kayak]

needs more strings

I'll learn to play bass when they make 7 string basses

[balmy vortex]

Those exist

Except they don't play anything like 7 string guitar

[wind mauve]

ye i use thicker strings currently, and i’d use something similar for the legator but the legator is 27”

well fanned frets so it’s actually 25.5-27”

[elfin crane]

Yeh those exist I know Party Cannon uses one

But as you'd expect the neck takes a while to get used to

[lethal fractal]

I'm saving to get one made...

[glacial osprey]

A mad lad

Like the neck wood choices

[elfin crane]

I love headless basses ngl

It looks sick

[lethal fractal]

I might change the pickup colour but I also like how weird the red looks.

There is also this bass that I like the look of.
I have someone who's interested in starting this band I'm working on with me and he plans on getting that bass.

[gleaming wing]

That's insane

I need to find people that want to start a band

[lethal fractal]

I have found someone willing to be lead vocals and found a bassit just to try and see if it's a fit...

Once we have more people we will record a single song to see how it goes.

[gleaming wing]

Awesome

What style of metal?

Thall? Djent? Deathcore? Something else?

[lethal fractal]

Technical polyrhythmic metal with some big harmonized metalcore style vocals

[wind mauve]

I would be down to do an online studio only band like infant annihilator is but i’m not confident in my skills

[lethal fractal]

I'd be willing to start off with something like that... Though I want a full band at some point

[wind mauve]

yeah but that means going outside and given that it’s the first day of November and already -3° I don’t plan on doing that anytime soon

[lethal fractal]

It should be -30C sooner than later

[wind mauve]

[gleaming wing]

That would be cool. I'm not confident either, but there's only one way to get better.

[lethal fractal]

I'm usually in a t-shirt and shorts until it's past -10c

[gleaming wing]

Sickkkk

[lethal fractal]

Yea my 9 string with be here within the next few months going to start writing as soon as I get it, I've been writing some super technical 6 string stuff just in the meantime

It's going to have similar feels to sentimental very different sounds as they have a very unique style so will we, I'm more focused on crazy tapping groupings and stuff.

[gleaming wing]

That's awesome

[wind mauve]

i’d be down for a music style that has a big focus on both rhythm and leads with big solos and all that

it’s strangely uncommon in modern metal

back in my day it used to be all the rage

[lethal fractal]

I liked heavy metal and that sort of music back when I was 4 if that counts

[gleaming wing]

Yessss I love that kind of stuff.

[silver pewter]

ok guys i want to learn intermediate shred licks, what is your favs in that group

[lethal fractal]

Do you want to learn how to improvise and shred or do you want to learn some that have already been played?

[wind mauve]

are you 5 now?

[wind mauve]

what i’d really be down for is finding more Canadians and making the most boomer thrash metal band with lyrics about being Canadian

[lethal fractal]

I wish

[wind mauve]

song about getting eaten by a polar bear or getting a DUI on a Zamboni or moose cavalry

and then randomly some incredibly serious ballad like song that wouldn’t be out of place on a modern whitechapel album

[lethal fractal]

Where's the hockey and maple syrup

Ketchup chips

[gleaming wing]

LOL unfortunately I'm not Canadian. 😓

Actually I'm 1/8 Canadian

[wind mauve]

our hockey anthem is gonna be like a Metallica style stadium rocker track and it’ll be called “The Leafs Suck”

[gleaming wing]

So close enough right?

[wind mauve]

probably featuring someone from Carcosa to make it even funnier

[wind mauve]

you can get a feature

[gleaming wing]

Awesome

[silver pewter]

The second option

[lethal fractal]

I'd recommend finding artist you like listen to their solos and learn them by ear as well you can write down the parts, it's good practice.

[toxic wharf]

https://www.pitbullaudio.com/ernie-ball-music-man-kaizen-7-7-string-multi-scale-guitar-ebony-fretboard-radium.html

What do people think of that color?

A part of me think its pretty cool, but at the same time I somehow think its a miss.

[lethal fractal]

Looks like a kid was given sparkling glue it just doesn't seem right

[dire kayak]

I mean if you like it you get it

but it's kinda odd finish yeah

[lethal fractal]

Probably sounds good though

[toxic wharf]

Its probably not the color Im gonna get.

I just thought it was a unique and weird finish. It would probably look better with black hardware too.

The green and white variant are pretty neat.

[lethal fractal]

I'm a weirdo and like red hardware just for how dumb in looks in any guitar

Like plastic red

[toxic wharf]

I dont know...makes me think about Kiesel guitars and imo...they are a bit ugly lol.

[lethal fractal]

It is a Kiesel that has them that I plan on getting

[lethal fractal]

...

It's probably something I'll end up doing kinda like how baena likes green I'll do dumb red stuff... arastides or however they are spelled get a full red frosted plastic textured guitar that looks like a toy

[toxic wharf]

Why would you do that if you spend that amount of money on a custom guitar

https://tenor.com/view/why-just-why-but-why-monkey-gif-18202838286539704455

[lethal fractal]

Because apart of me loves it

[dire kayak]

well the question is playability

[lethal fractal]

Maybe not have it solid red but like dirty silly putty that has been smeared out

[dire kayak]

unless you're playing clean tones any HH guitar can technically sound good for metal

actually they all sound the same distorted

except for maybe gain handling

[lethal fractal]

Ya

[dire kayak]

i actually tried playing metal on my shit 150 dollar lp clone and it sounds fine, just plays like shit

[lethal fractal]

Pickups still change tone even when distorted though can get different tones...

[dire kayak]

single coil vs humbucker yeah

when distorted for metal though they're very close in tone

hardly any change

all humbucker I mean

distorted single coils different

but what psycho plays metal on single coils

im saying

[lethal fractal]

I'm even talking from humbucker to humbucker if I plug my guitars into the same setup and play the same thing they all sound different

[dire kayak]

well there's also hardware things like the bridge

that could affect it slightly

[lethal fractal]

Yes... even with pickup swaps that I have done though I have noticed changes

[dire kayak]

I've seen back to back tests of pickups on same guitar specs and they sound different

[lethal fractal]

In person or online?

[dire kayak]

ill send a video here that shows back to back, and what really causes tone shifts

[dire kayak]

not this bullshit

online is the recorded sound taken from the amp which is what matters

people listening to the music you play don't care about your in the room sound

and even in the room is minimal differences

[lethal fractal]

I'm talking video compressions and all of that as well

[dire kayak]

YouTube compression isn't as bad as you think

[lethal fractal]

I'm not saying it's bad

[toxic wharf]

Definitely possible. In fact...some modern 'djenty' tones work really wel on split coil settings.

[toxic wharf]

Playability of the Kaizen is second to none. Its incredibly smooth to play.

[toxic wharf]

This makes sense. Passive pick ups are never coiled completely the same even when the pick up is the same model.

[dire kayak]

it hardly has any effect when determining the tone of pickups when recorded

if you have 18 mins I suggest watching spectre sound studios video

https://jimlillmusic.com/does-youtube-mangle-audio/
and check out this link, shows compressed vs non compressed audio

[wind mauve]

this

archetype abasi has some built in tones that sound pretty funky on single coil settings

[dire kayak]

i had meant they sound the same, i made a typo, smg studios made a video showing alnico vs ceramic and as distorted humbuckers almost no difference

if you're playing cleans ig it matters

distorted the only significant difference is gonna be single coil vs humbucker

[toxic wharf]

You mean tone wise? Or what?

[dire kayak]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=emwl23RX2is

tone wise

watch this if you have a moment

lots of comparisons

20 min watch

[toxic wharf]

Im just listening to the tests.

[wind mauve]

listening to the first test, if you can't hear a difference, i think you're not trying hard enough?

like what

[toxic wharf]

Very slight differences tone-wise. Tbh they are probably the same quality wise.

[wind mauve]

ok i've listened to four different tests

and you can absolutely hear a difference between them

[dire kayak]

dude you need to watch the whole video

the first three are him trolling and changing the mics speakers and all that

[toxic wharf]

Tonal difference is still not very significant

[wind mauve]

the tone is going to mostly be dictated by your amp

and whether or not you're using the tone knob on your guitar if there is one

[toxic wharf]

In fact...I think pick ups mostly change timbre

[wind mauve]

yeah

that is correct

[dire kayak]

if you're watching what's put out by pickup sellers, you're also an idiot, of course you'll hear changes they're trying to sell you something

[toxic wharf]

I also feel he tested very similar pick ups.

[dire kayak]

just watch the whole video without skipping through ffs, he explains everything behind the pickup industry

[dire kayak]

he tested all the different magnet types

[toxic wharf]

Put some Bareknuckles against a Dimarzio Tone Zone.

[wind mauve]

the main advantage of a higher end pickup is that it's going to clean up stuff like buzz, background noise, etc

so the individual notes come out a lot cleaner

[glacial osprey]

My 2009 Ibanez INF pickups vs the seymour duncans I replaced with is a world difference

[wind mauve]

when i played the matt heafy epiphone with the fishman pickups i can absolutely say it just sounded a lot cleaner than my $200 ibanez gio does

could i make the same tone? probably

[dire kayak]

have you recorded them back to back to hear the exact differences

[wind mauve]

but when it comes to not having muddy, buzzy, or otherwise shitty recording quality good pickups will absolutely help

[dire kayak]

this same guy did a mix with a harley Benton guitar that he still managed to make sound killer

[toxic wharf]

Ok I listened to a large portion...Im still not convinced about the conclusion...its a nice test, but Im sure there are passive humbucker pick ups that you can stack against one and another and do hear a big difference.

[glacial osprey]

Not necessary. To say they don't make a difference is asinine. Sure other factors have a larger impact but it's still there

[dire kayak]

they make near none is what I'm saying

you might get a teensy boost in highs or lows or mids

[toxic wharf]

He makes a sweeping statement based on some tests, merely based on the magnet type.

[dire kayak]

the magnet type is the difference between humbuckers

[toxic wharf]

No...

Thats one of the variables

[dire kayak]

active vs passive yeah ik

[toxic wharf]

No...theres the winding itself which makes a difference.

The wire material used.

Also size differences.

[dire kayak]

if you can make a recorded test of them back to back on the same guitar I'll believe you

for metal of course, cleans sound different

[wind mauve]

i think a lot of this stems from you not knowing what pickups actually do

[toxic wharf]

Dude....you believe one back to back recording and Frickers very measly unscientific test?

[dire kayak]

they're magnets that emit a field interrupted by the strings, and that's processed and taken to the amp or pedals or whatever

[toxic wharf]

Yes, but between that procedure to sound theres elements like the amount of wire being used, how many times its wound across the bobbins and whatnot.

[dire kayak]

my main point is that pickups aren't gonna have the greatest shift on your tone

[toxic wharf]

It literally effects the way the signal gets translated into actual sound.

[dire kayak]

on recording

when you're playing metal

[toxic wharf]

Yeah no shit its not the 'greatest'

[wind mauve]

i mean yeah no obviously not but to say that they don’t effect your tone

they absolutely will

[toxic wharf]

But its gonna play a role in the tone nonetheless.

[dire kayak]

it's miniscule is what I'm saying

[toxic wharf]

Define miniscule?

Some pick ups will barely make a difference.

[dire kayak]

do a back to back test of pickups with different bobbin wiring, record it, and send it here

I promise I'll surrender the argument then

[toxic wharf]

But stack some classic PAF's against bareknucles and you will hear the difference.

If not, your hearing is such that you have to ask yourself if your fit being a musician.

[dire kayak]

in tone or in gain control

[toxic wharf]

Tone.

If its not tone, it would lead to an equal amount of 'mud' with the same amount of distortion.

Which is clearly not the case.

[dire kayak]

I'm not a musician I'm just an idiot online that plays guitar sometimes, why take what I say to heart

im saying in the chase for tone, personally, I'd change speakers

or microphone position

or just use the fucking tone stack

[toxic wharf]

I agree, that makes the biggest difference.

[wind mauve]

tell you what, within the year i plan on getting a new guitar, and i plan on swapping the pickups on them as i have been told that they are one of the main bad features about the guitar, so i’ll record it before and after swapping and send the recordings to you

[lethal fractal]

Please do

[dire kayak]

same mic position and with metal distortion, as cleans will obviously be the same

[wind mauve]

no i plan on changing every setting i can after changing pickups

[dire kayak]

and I assume you know to keep the strings

[wind mauve]

admittedly the pickup swap is probably gonna come with a string swap

but if you think that the strings have more effect than the pickups do

there are more issues at hand here

[toxic wharf]

Lol...pick ups dont make a difference but strings do?

Come on bro, now youre trolling

[lethal fractal]

[dire kayak]

i mean I'm just trying to have a pure test but sure ig the strings shouldn't matter that much

[wind mauve]

ye most likely it’s gonna come out of the box, get a quick playtest and some hero pics, then get handed off to my guitar tech buddy to get the pickups, strings, full setup

[lethal fractal]

Then it will also sound the way you want it to sound it will sound different from the original state due to all of that but in the end the original state won't matter due to it now being where you want it to be and sounding and playing how you want it to

[wind mauve]

it will sound like a legator with fishman pickups which is what the high end legators that come with fishman pickups sound like

and thicker gauge ernie balls

the setup is just making sure it's intonated right for the tuning i use, and wriggling out any hardware issues that are apparently not uncommon with legators

[lethal fractal]

Possible fret leveling

[wind mauve]

the big difference i'm expecting is just a cleaner sound overall

[lethal fractal]

Yea, which colour you going with?

[wind mauve]

notes will ring out better with no mud or none

i want the snowfall one

[lethal fractal]

Nice

[wind mauve]

both my guitars are glossy black

and i think the snowfall ghost looks badass as fuck

[lethal fractal]

Ya, you will get that.

[wind mauve]

i'm aware, i've played the MKH origins

was blown away by just how clean those pickups were

[lethal fractal]

I love when you can see the grain in the finish big thing for me as well.

[wind mauve]

so i'm probably gonna get the heafy fishmans or the abasi fishmans

debating on getting the black or white ones tho, cause i think the black pickups to match the black hardware and also to contrast the white body

but also the white pickups are fairly uncommon to see so it'd also stand out

[lethal fractal]

RED

Both would work

[wind mauve]

they dont make a red pickup

also i thought you wanted the red to be your thing

[lethal fractal]

Red everywhere (that sounds like some serial killer words)

A plastic gray could also work it would be a mix between the hardware and the white.

[wind mauve]

there is only a white and black

https://www.fishman.com/portfolio/fluence-custom-series-matt-heafy-7-string-pickup-set/

https://www.fishman.com/portfolio/fluence-signature-series-tosin-abasi-7-string-pickup-set/

the abasi pickups at least have two different versions of white and black

and the heafy ones have that gold line to separate the two coils

[lethal fractal]

I like the Abasi pickups tone wise... Though I never really tried or paid attention to the other ones.

[wind mauve]

i think the heafy's are what i'd go for as i've actually played a guitar that uses them

so i can say for certain that i like them

and also andrew baena uses them but that's not a decision-swaying factor

[lethal fractal]

Fair enough

I also love animals as leaders...

[wind mauve]

yeah ok this i can see being like a little

like yeah ok mattie you dont need to sell us on it sayin you became a better guitar player after playin them

thats

some shit

[lethal fractal]

Haha

[wind mauve]

i mean i like some of their stuff and i use the archetype abasi as my amp

[lethal fractal]

I want to get into all that online plug in stuff

[wind mauve]

i just happen to have, again, actually played the matt heafy fishman pickups on the matt heafy epiphone guitar, and i can say that i enjoyed it thoroughly

[lethal fractal]

I bet

[wind mauve]

i would even buy the guitar, but my main issue is the issue i have with epiphone and similar

and thats that

i hate the glossy necks

they are so gross they feel like, sticky

[lethal fractal]

As well we are both at a stage in life where good pickups are good pickups we don't need such specific needs yet.

[wind mauve]

like to the point that it was decision swaying for me when i was looking at new guitars

i was like yeah i love how the guitar sounded but i know i prefer the way ibanez necks are cause of my ibanez

[lethal fractal]

I don't condone this but you can sad those necks down just a bit and refinish them...

[wind mauve]

yeee my guitar teacher does that

cause he feels the same

but like, i might as well just go for that headless legator with the 27" fanned fret scale

[lethal fractal]

Ya

[wind mauve]

technically cheaper, headless, fanned frets, long scale length, looks sick as fuck, and the hive pickups apparently suck so i can take them out and put them into my ibanez that i already plan to use as a project guitar once i get the new one

depending on how quickly i can find a job after college and make money to buy it and i am in college for welding so the most likely answer is "the day after i graduate"

[lethal fractal]

I can't wait for my welding job... What kind of welding are you hoping to go into?

[wind mauve]

well my course is for literally all of it besides like underwater

so whichever place will hire me with the best offer

probably going to be TIG

there's a huge place that does nuclear facility parts that is desperately hiring so it might be there which would be automated TIG

[lethal fractal]

Nice sounds like you will get paid well.

A friend of my boyfriend that I very much dislike messed up on buying movie tickets and is trying to get me to cancel all my plans and his plans so they can go today instead lmao not a chance you fucked up you're going to learn from your mistake.

[wind mauve]

[lethal fractal]

I'm going to sleep got to get up in 6 hours... Best of luck with work.

[odd coyote]

I’ve been tryna learn the main riff from Composure by ABR but the hammer ons and pull offs idk i feel like i should be able to do them. im curious if like high string action or anything effects it or its just purely technique issues?

[toxic wharf]

Probably purely technique

[odd coyote]

it probs is

i’ve only been playing for 18-20 months tbf

its just so annoying i can do all of the riff except the hammer ons and pull offs

[toxic wharf]

Yeah, thats fine. Just keep drilling it into your muscle memory

I dont know the riff, but especially pull offs can be tricky for some guitar players. Theres certain exercises which greatly help

[odd coyote]

yea

i feel like my hands just

Dont feel smooth doing em

I guess i just gotta practice

Cos theres alot of riffs i feel i could play if i learnt em

[toxic wharf]

https://youtu.be/w_o8gonyGKk?si=Dvyp92w0eJfckDXK

Some very good exercises

[odd coyote]

btw

Whats a good pic thickness for a set of 12-56 strings?

cos i got like a 0.98 i use rn

[toxic wharf]

Thats just a matter of personal taste

[toxic wharf]

Whats your scale length and tuning?

[odd coyote]

Um

Usually its like Drop C to Drop A# but im not sure about scale length

[toxic wharf]

Especially on your high strings thats quite thick and not necessarily helpful for these techniques

Yeah, sounds like you are better of with a hybrid set

If drop C is your main tuning

[odd coyote]

Yeah

i play A# alot too

But i’d say drop C is my main

[odd coyote]

What would u suggest i get?

[toxic wharf]

I use 10-56 for my drop C guitar

[odd coyote]

Oh

i see

Ill try that for my next set then

these 12-56s r relatively fresh

[toxic wharf]

And than I have a standard tuning guitar which uses 9-42 amd a standard tuning or drop A 7 string which uses 10-58

Id try to avoid 12's for high E unless its acoustic

[odd coyote]

Understandable

[balmy vortex]

what guitar do you run?

10-56 is quite heavy for drop C ngl

[toxic wharf]

10 or 12?

[balmy vortex]

for drop C id recommend 10-52 at most

you could even get away with 10-48 if you want to

[toxic wharf]

Ah yeah.. i use that one...light top heavy bottom from elixir

[lethal fractal]

I found a bass Amp for $75 it's actually decent small little thing but for $75 why not just pick it up just to have.

[verbal fossil]

for drop C i usually use like 11-54

[lethal fractal]

Brand new they are like $200

[dire kayak]

yeah you'll get that with better pickups

[lethal fractal]

Little note from my guitar lesson today.

[odd coyote]

i dunno its some cheap £100 guitar i got years ago

[odd coyote]

i play in Drop B and Drop A# too

[modest ravine]

ive had this 9 string for almost a year now

and schecter made a white version

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051674983287492659/1170246796493209610/Damien_Platinum_9_Limited_Edition_White_TILT__74327.webp?ex=65585842&is=6545e342&hm=5fb1c430c5ec8017e5d9a88b4f5e66088740b588d43dbab603ffacc088aed100&

and god DAMN i should've waited

[toxic wharf]

For the F you can play both a major and minor chord

[graceful socket]

Damn that looks clean. Not a fan of the bat inlays but anyway. How's the nine string? 9s and 8s are something I see myself coming back to wanting all the time but I dont think I'd have any use for them, except for novelty stuff

[modest ravine]

Besides the fact that it's heavy as hell, it's a really nice instrument. There's not really a ton of music written on it so it's more of making your own stuff. Tones have to be really specific for that 9th string to sound nice and clear. Sometimes it kinda feels like a novelty playing that low but if you enjoy writing your own stuff it's cool

[modest ravine]

If I was presented with the option of buying it now after experiencing it, I don't know if I'd buy it again but I don't regret owning it

[full kelp]

if i had the budget, should i pick up the PAC612VIIX over the pac112vm? as a first electric guitar

or the azes40