#red-dead-singleplayer
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That’s good
i think u can meet him in annesburg
So Hamish just died and I have to take his Horse how could I not :( I'd feel like shit leaving it behind
Who cares?
I do 💅
Mary is a manipulator
Agreed
She has like 3 missions
2
2?
2 missions and 3 letter
Ive deleted it and reinstalled it over 7 times cause of PC problems
Bro… 🤦♂️

does ultimate edition on steam include online?
I believe so
Yes of course
At least better than gtao 
especially in saint denis
Thats why i moved to rhodes
I live at black water
It’s WAYY better than GTAO
Alr Mr Marston
Mr Milton you mean
man i wish they make blackwater dlc
and also rdr1 remaster for console and pc
but probably wont
:/
I never understood why people are so hyped for an rdr1 remaster
You know its just gonna be filled with arthur mentions and of course how could we forget arthur marston 
BUT it would also be good for the modding community if they made it on current RAGE engine
it'd just be copy and paste to get a car into RDR2, the one ross drives
Come give a fellow red dead streamer a follow on twitch i would appreciate it so much. I’m a small streamer with only 15 followers. My goal is to touch 50
How to not dislike Micah Bell?
Don't be a blind Micah hater
:/
oMg miCah baD, hE do BaD
Omg he kill person bad bad bad!!
Can't wait to pop him later on
Don't shoot Micah's hat off for the good ending
oke
Hour later.... nothing
Silence
so what happens if you dont detonate or detonate early the dynamite in black belle's swamp
detonate you kill 2-3 bounty hunters at once, don't detonate, you have to kill them using your gun.
Story has to have online clothing
Found u lenny
hello guys. There is a mod where you can create events in single player, and I don't remember what it is called. If anyone knows about the mod please lemme know, thank you
whats the best way to make a good amount of money?
Treasure hunting
i already did that
Then robbing trains and selling jewellery to fences ig
Try and get the gold bars as well?
did u know the aberdeen trick
well 20k is already good amount of money
well i guess im cheap af
i wanted rdr 1 first tho
the remaster version
yea i heard their script is a mess
it is like making a new whole games
welp
Lmao
They could've made an another option where you bribe the witness
Some dumbasses defend that "BUT BUT ARTHUR IS BIG AND TOUGH!!! IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR HIM TO BRIBE!!!"
Arthur might be big
but he ain't dumb enough to beat up a dude in front of everyone just because that dude witnessed Arthur doing crime
Arthur could bribe him/her
Hello for 100% completion do I need to mail the fish as well or just catch them?
Probably have to mail them
Both
You catch them and mail them
RDR1 John would put 200 bullets in Micah before he could do anything
Actually rockstar has said Arthur’s the best gunslinger in the gang
In gang yeah
But in 1911
I doubt Arthur would win against John
In 1911 he dead dead
Agreed
Maybe in fistfight Arthur can beat up John
But it would be kinda challenging
since RDR1 John is packing muscles
Micah in rdr2 barely even beat sick arthur
My jack shoots everything
Well, in my first play through I went for the money and Micah still struggled
Don’t be mean I thought John would get it
W h a t
i find it very offensive that the red dead online logo is used for rdr2 on the rockstar launcher
err mister
i know
RDR2 is dying without content
just rockstar taking the easy way out again
I wish Rockstar restored Cut content with each updates
and fix epilogue John
with updats
I’m having fun with it
But once you play more it kinda needs more content bro
Well I still haven’t completed my first play through full
That's why i'm playing with mods
Yeah
Yes
Horses are scared of predators
Because pain
and see you as potential predators
well then be very careful, you really don't want this game to be spoiled for you
Oh
I’m in epilogue part 2
oh
sometimes but not really, no
I'm full mods with this game
adds more stuff to it
I love the rdr1 drunk physics
Same
I like the brutal shoots
I wish they kept that RDR1 drunk animations
I play with the cheat
RDR1 has stuff that RDR2 don't
I like walking as Jack getting shit up dramatically
Shot*
Atmopshere, Combat, Arcade/Immersive gameplay, Weapon system
they made it fun
Rdr2 has mini games
Like five finger filet and dominoes
RDR1 does it too
and more than rdr2 tbh
Yeah
I wish they didn't cut liar's dice from rdr2
I ride horses irl
I love horses bro
Why Rockstar cut Liar's dice in rdr2
I cried when I died
Better than dominoes
Mine*
I had my Arabian since chapter 2 his name was Sam :((
Lmao
I have a Arabian irl-
His name is also Sam
White
Like my rdr horse
Yeah!!
He’s pretty old
I don’t ride him anymore
Since he’s a old Noah
Boah*
No idea you just know pretty much
When they don’t run around anymore and look tired asf
Lmaoo
Isn’t Dutch’s horse a Arabian?
Lmao
So it’s fake like him?
I like it
He rid well
But then he got shit
Shot*
I cried
I slashed Micah the fuck up and I’m happy
I feel like realistically Micah should’ve killed arthur there
Yes
Loud big boy so scary
One time irl I was riding a horse and we both fell down a hill
Luckily I landed on top of it
Don’t worry it’s okay
That’s what you’d think
It was a small hill though
It’s easy
Just swing your leg over
That’s why I like Arabians
They smol
I’m also shirt
Short*
I’m 5’7
Because they use those big motherfuckers
I like small horse
How old are you?
I’m also 14
You’ll get taller
Like a big boah
My moms 5’1
I’m as tall as my dad
Damn
I’m supposed to be 6’3 when I’m older
I have a wingspan of a person that’s 5’9
Not full body
But like same as them
Fair enough
I love the name
Yes
My John just got his wife back
Idk if I’m close to completing epilogue
I only wear John or Arthur’s hat
Or*
From where?
I never saw that
You mean his 1899 hat?
You can get that?
Can I mission replay?
Fuck
I don’t even have a save from epilogue 1
Im at school
I’m about to go home doe
Because I threw up
It’s like 8 am where I am
Yes
Sadly
What
Micah is such a great character
Like I’ve never hated a video game character
But Micah
Thanks
I hope I get to light him up
Stand-off type shit
Nope
I’m excited
John Jim VS Rat boy
I love how John was like “I’ll never go to Mexico”
I like riding the dialogue is great
I feel Ike 100% this game will be fun
Well luckily I have no life
Yea
I like a challenge
Don't lie
I had to take a break from rdr a few weeks ago for my metal well being lmaooo
I’m not-
The best feeling is the feeling that’s hardest to get
Ah that "metal well being"
Yes
Gotta make sure your metal is well, and been
The metal of my guns
Damn it. I didnt get buell and I did the mission >:(
just like irl
and (only wild) horses will roll in dust and dirt to keep away flies
Not always
Great
I'm already at chapter 2 and finished the new south and arcadia for amateurs
I mean 3
Chapter 3
WHAT
Lol
Do I have to get all gold medals?
No
goddamn
Where
who could possibly need that many orchids
Also hunting requests 
hunting is more fun
Gives you a cool squirrel statue
like the loggers in cumberland and the wolves
WHERE DO I GET THE TAHITI GUN
Complete all 5 lists
Buy lote satchel from a fence first before starting out
At least that jawbone knife is cool
‘It's art’
monster
I hope your horse trips
AYO
imo his writing is terrible, only memorable thing he has is a huge props to Peter for acting as him
🚨🚨🚔
Bruh
I love Micah as a character but hate him as a person
I wouldn’t say terrible more like mediocre
fair
Does black water become accessible after the story? With out a bounty?
Play through the story and find out 
I know what happens at the ends sadly just want black water haha
It looks cool
What
Yep
With Arthur or just with John?
Just with john
I wanna explore so bad
Ah
So once story is done u can explore the area?
Yeah and all around new austin
new austin is fucking awful tho
and a massive plothole since john was never supposed to go there
It does feel pretty empty ngl
Oh
Alright
I really appreciated rdr2 the 2nd time around since I explored a hell of a lot more
Oh rlly and I don’t wanna use John so
Sometimes I prefer blackwater over saint denis
I love black water
blackwater went from a dark and empty town from RDR to a colorful and filled with a lot of people town
mfs changed everything from it 🗿

Am I close? Abigail and John just got engaged
Next mission is called “American Venom”
Yes you are:)
Agh shit, then to kill Micah I’ll write after the mission
how do i get my horse back im stuck with a tenesee walker
How so? In story mode you’ll need to buy a new horse or if you have a better horse you’ll go to the stable and make it your main horse by putting the saddle on it
it must of died then....
Aw, yea you’ll need to purchase a new horse from one of the stables
which is the best stable?
I think the discrepancies between epilogue John's personality and look versus RDR1 John's personality and look is the single biggest case for an RDR1 remake
not a remaster, a remake
Last mission
I hope they won't give John's epilogue character to rdr1 John
As a standalone character, I actually really like epilogue john, I just don't llike that he is presented as John Marston if that makes any sense
yeah
He doesn't look like John or act like John
he's a different character if you pretend
Epiloge John is actually really likable it is own way, hes just not John Marston
Epilogue John is is very animated, goofy, awkward, but in an endearing and almost innocent way, RDR1 John is a silent badass that will put a bullet in ya if you fall out of line
Npc John is both
Except he doesn't get more screentime tbh
I actually really liked how John was presented as NPC. You could tell that he was rdr1 John but a lot less developed and more innocent
What I expected though was for him to eventually turn into the guy we saw in RDR1
agreed
Each chapter John turning into RDR1 John
Holy shit it’s the plan man
would be pog
Can i see the bounties i catch hang?
No.... Spoilers.
Or will Dutch shoot me
Not having John's daughters death in the epilogue is a massive missed opportunity imo. That was literally the perfect excuse for John turning into the hardened man we saw in RDR1
Brb
Arthur's son dying is what hardened him
John's daughter is non existent in rdr2
Holy hell I just shot micah like 6 times
but I think John's daughter borns after RDR2 story
Ohhh that’s a lot of cash
Yeah but I'm saying that makes no sense.. Arthur even talked about how his son's death is what hardened him. They could have done the same thing with John's daughter and used her death to explain how John became the hardened guy he was in rdr1
How much?
Yup
There are so many retcons happened in rdr2 tbh
How much money was that?
And it makes even more sense as it would draw even more of a parallel between Arthur and John
I wish Epilogue John did have proper dialogues
instead of "you have a small neck"
I don't except epilogue John to be creative and talk well like RDR1 John
but he should definitely have better dialogues than npc John
Damn that was a amazing ass game
Time for all the side missions I guess
@narrow jetty Imo Sadie and Charles should die at american venom as well too tbh
I agree
They both got shot tf up
I don’t know how micah missed all those shots
It would make sense for Arthur's dialogue as well
"Revenge is a fool's game"
And during revenge Sadie and Charles pay for it
What do I do now I’ve completed epilogue?
Idk go for 100%
bro had a kid with a 19 yo girl

Wait
What happens if I go to the old camps
That's what time was back then
The Pinkertons found micah?
I think Arthur got the tuberculosis when that guy that owed money to the crew coughed blood on his face
Nah
That dude covered his mouth
during tommy fight
That’s what happened
Robbing homestead with Javier when Arthur moves it makes sense
No man could kill Arthur so God had to send a weird virus😤 😤
He probably coughed because of dust
Arthur solos goku
Arthur solos the whole anime universe
John needed a whole army and sacrifice to get himself killed
Can I get that open vest John has on?
Only with mods
or if you are on ps4
you can use save wizard
Still stood for 24 seconds

I’m on ps5
oof
U can't then
Fuck
good luck getting banned bud
This is why John Marston mods are so important
I'm on pc
and never played online
I want johns rdr2 hat
RDR1 hat is better
No white stitch
and brim was bigger
I mean the gamblers hat
ah
John's rdr1 outfit is so beautiul
*beautiful
My John looks kinda like rdr1 John
My John looks like real RDR1 John thanks to mods
Is Mary Beth a writer now?
Be careful talking about mods is risky 👀
If you talk about how to install mods
then it is risky
Rufus survived!!
I'm just discussing it
people be saying "I want jhon from rdr1 and also I want a mod that turns rdr2 to rdr1" bro just buy rdr1 at this point 
W h a t
I just wanna look like the sexy cowboy man
It's not that we want "RDR1 John"
We want epilogue John to be fixed
🤷♂️
Yea
They downgraded him with each updates
turned him into Arthur reskin
Arthur Marstin
Marston*
yup
Next play through I’m going full low honor
Also, I don't know if anyone else has picked up on this, but you notice how John is like a lot more distant and cold with Jack in RDR1 than RDR2?
Epilogue I mean
It doesnt make sense tbh
arthur a good man in the cut scenes
I feel like RDR1 John is more comfortable with Jack
Also he's trying to teach Jack
Ima go with John with low honor
how to live on his own
I love good honor arthur
Since I know what happens
Btw Arthur getting shot is more realistic
yeah
Micah would’ve shot him more than likely
I had full max honor going back for money for my first play through
Like Imagine this, what if John's daughter died while Jack was looking after her, like she was playing in the water and Jack was supposed to be watching her but he was reading a book. She drowned and John loses his shit, blames Jack, basically tears into him deep, and it becomes this whole family drama that has to be slowly worked out, and that could explain John being more hardened in RDR1 and maybe a little more, idk, less friendly with Jack
This is now my handcanon
I'm flattered lol
I love it
You could get it during the farming simulator but missed it
Also Sadie and Charles should've died too in American Venom
to make John even hardened
True
I’m making my John in epilogue save who he can and be like a vigilante because he’s lost everyone he’s cared for mostly
Batman lmaoooo
John Jim Batman Milton
I just think that is a way they could have explained John being a lot more cold and damaged in RDR1 compared to 2
Is John and Abigail standing where there graves are
No
I have 20k now o-o
I know who javier is now
I guess having his family taken by the government and being forced to do their dirty work is probs what hardened him a bit
He seemed hardened before
they didn't even mention his daughter in rdr2 though
Even more so in rdr1 tho
Because she’s not born
Bro uncle is sleeping where he dies wtf
Tahiti needs more than 20k apparently
You mean 46k
I’m the going back for the money the money box had 46k in it
Yes
How much is Tahiti
10282292720822928201810282$ according to dutch
I tried to glitch to guarma before chapter 5 to explore it more but fell off a cliff on the way there 
Where do I change in this house
I returned Guarma as John
Kentucky saddler is a bad horse
Yeah that could have been something
bathroom
Arent there still invisible snipers in guarma if you're john?
There is
Pain
Can I head canon that Sadie and Charles died?
Was kinda nice getting new austin animals on the way as arthur
they're dead now so ig
I love johns western coat
you can go to new austin as arthur?
If I go to tumbleweed or armadillo will I get shot at as Arthur?
In earlier patches
Yes
Murdered
Well only outside the map as far as I know
Awh
That’s annoying
I was travelling around the outside of new Austin to get to guarma
Meh I’ll be able to as John right?
Yes
Not properly textured but yeah
But theres nothing there
you were supposed to go to mexico
New austin hasn't got any uses other than 100% stuff tbf
Do I need the Guarma shit for 100%
No
Thank god
Only 50 animals studied for 100%
Why does my John look like John Wick
You don't need it for any trophies either
I kinda just wanna get the guarma animals to fill in the compendium. But those snakes are horrible
Also by the way, They could have used my fanfiction up there of John's daughter drowning because Jack was reading instead of watching her as a way to explain why John gives Jack such a hard time about reading books in RDR1
lol
Wow same people still in this chat 10 hrs later
Yeah snakes were rare somehow when I returned
You’re a genius
Alright I'll shut up about it now just wanted to get that out there lol
I could only have 1 snake spawn and that was it. No matter how many times I reloaded the game lol
Anyone else not like the high neckerchief?
nah, i don't think that's enough
I mean that's a pretty rough draft lol
a man wouldn't change his personality completely by that imo
Arthur did
it should've been worked on during the chapters and specifically epilogue
to make him more RDR
Jack always looks so scared
I think the government taking John's family was enough hardening ig
Losing a fucking kid can absolutely change a person
Epilogue could've been more brutal tbh
Yes
nah, john can barely act normally in epilogue
If there's one thing that can that's it
especially when you trusted your other kid to watch her
John slowly getting more savage and agressive with each missions of epilogue
Seeing your ex father figure kill himself
his wise answers and insults along side the badass personality are things he had from the gang
Like slowly starting epilogue with John happy then at the end of game
I agree
I'm not necessarily saying that has to be the only thing but I feel like the epilogue should have done something like that maybe plus other things to explain John becoming more hardened and cold
that's the main issue
Time to walk out the barn dramatically
The epilogue is way to happy imo
John could've been slightly angry at beginning of epilogue
i have no problem with NPC John acting immature (should've been wise and badass tho)
but epilogue?
it needed to be RDR John
RDR John personality style
at the end of the game
It feels so dark that the epilogue ends off with a happy note when you know what happens to john in rdr1
You can do your own thing after epilogue and make him bad
I’m making him fuck everything up
There's difference between being cold and hardened
Hi
Mg eh did you guys do horseman challenge 9 mine is bugged It doesn’t let me do it
John was basically one of the guys in charge of the gang in RDR, that's something only a wise person can do
and he also said he was never less intimidating
I'm waiting till epilogue for horseman 9 tbh
which means he always had those quick insults
like, see him talking to anyone he dislikes
he replies with an insult or irony quickly af
while in epilogue he can barely speak normally 🗿
In canon shouldn’t I only use johns cattlemen?
Whats horseman 9
it's... art....
I think borderline survivors guilt about what happened with Arthur, plus his daughter drowning, plus Sadie and Charles dying on that mountain are enough to explain John becoming the man he was in RDR1
a man who has seen some shit
Riding from van horn to Blackwater in 17 mins or so
technically a normal cattleman
Ride to blackwater from van horn in 17 minutes without touching any water
not john's
Oh
Why can’t I shower :((
Youre too slow probably
the main plot of him becoming the man he was in RDR should've been the gang separation, losing your lifetime friends hurts af
I dont think I'd glitch back to guarma for a while tbh lol that death on the way really put me off. Wasted so much time
but rockstar completely forgot what character development is
john likes to be stanky
and made him pathetic in epilogue
Can I not take off the offhand holster?
I did it once somehow, fairly certain it was a bug
Could be but I’m like on the 20th try I mean that’s not normal
I feel like “I wanna be your slave” fits red dead redemption as a song
I have no idea how i did it
Time it next time
K
Or you're touching a water without noticing?
John is just a stern father
Nono I’m doing the Dakota train track path and the owanjila bridge
John is gonna beat up Jack
I’m pretty sure it’s time
Jack wants to make his father happy
I think the epilogue should have been used to also do that as well. It should have been a lot less happy, They should have made John's daughters death a big part of it, and they also should have had Sadie and Charles die on the mountain
Do y’all like John or Arthur’s Satchel
Jack is only like 12 in the epilogue after all
no
John
they both suck
Lote
John looks nicer but i still prefer Arthur
Can you take off the satchel
rather have no satchel
I havent even paid attention to satchels lol
Y tf john started using a satchel after authur gave him one anyway makes no sense
Right
Look up
bruh
Ceiling
Also John's RDR1 hat should have been Arthurs hat, yeah it would have made everything predictable but it already was so who cares
hello
John doesn’t like talking about Arthur
Nah
John's hat should be different
Remember John is a man of his own
I dont talk about him much but I think about him 
How can I find the legendary bear if I already lost to it once
mentions Arthur
no
Are rdr1 and rdr2 connected in any way? I havent played rdr1
I get John doesn't like talking about Arthur, and maybe this is a hot take but I always thought that felt like a kind of forced excuse to explain why he isn't mentioned in RDR1
RDR2 is a prequel
Jack remembers authur lol
if john didn't like talking about arthur
he should just
stop talking about him
he mentions him to everyone in epilogue
He also remembers Hosea
Literally everyone
he saved my life before he passed
Theres not much to say about Arthur tbh. He died 12 years before rdr1
Micah said a damn true sentence
I don't like to talk about him y'know?
See but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense though. It just feels like they had to make John not like to talk about Arthur for some reason just to explain why he isn't mentioned in RDR1
I meant after story ends in the ranch while talking to Abigail not in the fishing mission
It feels kinda forced and unnatural
Should I do the hamish mission?
There was probably not much reason for john to bring up Arthur tho
after Arthur died, john should've just moved on from talking about him
and not be like
"i don't like talking i think about him!"
I dont see why not
John already barely talked bout him in epilogue. 4 years on, theres even less reason to bring him up imo
talked to charles
talked to sadie
talked to tilly
talked to mary beth
talked to rains fall
talked to veteran guy in rhodes
talked to fake veteran guy in valentine
Your buddy did this to me, authur and I won - Micah
for buell, yes
See I don't agree, I don't see why he had to stop talking about Arthur, I'd argue that it actually wouldn't make a lot of sense other than to fill the plot hole of him not being mentioned in RDR1
thinked about him in epilogue 1
He also talks with strangers too
Does anyone have a good name for a female brown mustang
it's like his damn husband died
not a friend
but a fucking husband by the way he talks about him
Hello
exactly
She has a stripe down her back but im not sure if thats unique
I mean they were literally brothers in every way but blood, they grew up together.
More than all other gang members
Arthur and John were the first two other than Dutch and Hosea
yeah, so let's think about him all the time
remember all the things he said
think about him all the time
People always call them "brothers" yet Arthur's jealous of how John got his scars
dutch killed himself in front of him and he never talked about him ever again to his family
and he was his father shortly
How can I get the legendary bear to spawn if I already died to it once in the mission with hosea? I tried to redo the mission and as soon as I selected the stay button it just cut me out from the mission
I will say thought the whole "I don't talk about him much, but I think about him" thing sounds kinda funny when you've spent game days just finishing Arthur's stranger missions and constantly talking about him lol
Restart the mission
I tried
I've had this game for 3 years but Im always anxious about playing it I always restart after I reach valentine ._.
it just cuts me from the mission after I select the stay option when hosea wants to leave
Don't read anything in here until you've finished it lol
unless you want it spoiled
Yea treat it like a YouTube comment thread
I thought maybe finding someone to talk to while playing will give me some courage
Why anxious
Idk
John killed Bill, Javier and Dutch which he clearly didn't want to, moved on and never talked about them
I mean tbf he only lived for like a few weeks after all that lol
Arthur died, always mentioning and thinking about him after 8 fucking years
This is always the problem with me and singleplayer games
Thats like shipping father and son
and possibly 12 if RDR gets a remake
Stressful ig
Yes
and never mentioned them for his family ever again
That might have gone over well in Lemoyne
That was actually possible im pretty sure
Javier X Bill
Arthur x Lemoyne rapist 😳
Bill X Phil
tbh they would be a good couple
I tried to leave the rapist on the train tracks but the train never came cuz it was getting robbed up ahead smh
You can see him in online btw
I know
Like Dutch said, that area is fulll of papists and rapists
Is it normal to be anxious while playing it 
online kinda explains why he got killed..
No
True lmao
At certain points lol
If you get anxious playing rdr2, definitely steer clear from subnautica. That's anxiety inducing
Shes already cringe filled in the story, "bAdASs EmpOwERed woMAn" Half of the times in the story shes just a bitch screaming "DiE dIE DiE"
I love subnautica
Me too
Wait
Maybe cuz I'm comfortable with smaller screens and I play rdr2 in a freaking theatre
what's wrong with badass empowered women?
Uncle gives you clothing if you do his companion quest
u can sketch her tho..
the development
Badass empowered women when its forced in is bad
she goes from crying widow to badass empowered woman by just changing clothing
I don't think it's forced with Sadie
it definitely is
She lost everything
sadie goes from crying widow to woman who gets a new outfit and acts like she can shoot, development is too fast
I think it is
Her home, her husband, everything
Sadie knew how to shoot
She's filled with vengance
Who tf lives up in the mountains anyway
no consequences
Plus you lose honor for not helping her take revenge which makes no fucking sense
I don't understand anything been said here feels like aliens are talking 👁👄👁
the development is WAY too fast with sadie
I agree with that
istg, there's literally no1 there, except them..
Yet authur says revenge is a fool's game multiple times
Bloody Sadie though 😩
but did she know how to handle herself when she was getting shot at?
Yea all of a sudden shes some brave hotheaded character
But oh boy she likes to scream it all out during combat
went into a shootout
Maybe she didn’t care if she died
He actually says that when you choose not to help her finish off the odriscolls
AND YOU LOSE HONOR FOR IT
FOR CHOOSING NOT TO SEEK REVENGE YOU LOSE HONOR
Ik it's so stupid
All well and good if she didnt have to drag other gang members into trouble like during colm o Driscolls hanging
IN A GAME WHERE THE ENTIRE POINT IS REVENGE IS BAD
She should've died in American venom
When she shot the odriscolls at colm's hanging that scene is just so damn unrealistic, she doesnt even cock the hammer once and fires multiple shots while screaming 
She nagged Arthur to help with colm's hanging
It was cringy but it made sense. They literally ruined her life
Yea I understand the reason but it shouldnt really have happened
Yes we should let a woman put everyone in a public crowd in danger all cause she wants to take her anger out on a gang
Reasonable
She was crying in chapter 1-2 and changed in 3-4 suddenly
That reminds me, I forget what happens to Javier, did he side with Dutch or die somewhere?
Sided with dotch
Captured or dead in rdr1
They didn't let her. She did it herself and Dutch immediately was like alright lets go
Sided with Dutch because loyalty
Players choice
Oh nvm
I never kill my Mexican boah
John never wanted to kill his old friends
even when Javier was clearly an asshole in RDR
Y’all think Arthur was scared to die at the end?
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Yes he even says so
You don't actually have to kill anyone
Capture Javier
Let that other guy kill bill
Let Dutch jump off of the cliff
yes he was a pussy
Yeah thats the point, thats completely stupid to just put everyone in a public crowd in danger all because she wanted to blow some guys head off
I mean when he was fighting micah
nah
but before, i guess yes
He knew it was the end already
ofc he was
It is stupid, honestly if the game was consistent with her storytelling, they would have somehow had the odriscolls kill her when she went back for revenge to further drive the point home that revenge is an idiots game which is the underlying theme of both damn games
Arthur - sister I'm scared of dying
John - walks out of his barn to his own death like a Chad and manages to take out a few soldiers
She should've died during combat, her mowing down enemies at hanging dog was unrealistic
Its scarier when you're getting killed by something you cant control I suppose
and kill Fordham if you shoot him during it
running everywhere without getting shot a single time
Uncle died protecting the ranch like a chad
Arthur had a good bit of time to reflect on his impending death. But john had like none
It actually takes a lot of balls for a man to say "I'm afraid" in the 1800's
that was a big deal back then
John knew it was the end already
John didnt say a word, he already knew he was gonna die eventually protecting his family
I think John always knew in the back of his mind that somehow, someway, they'd get him
Most likely
RDR is driven by his philosophy
it's literally the exact same thing
people don't forget, nothing gets forgiven
explains RDR story perfectly
And what is arthurs quote? 
you sir, are a fish!!!!!
fish on the line!! im talking!!!
Outta the damn way
John had a lot of badass combat lines in the first game
This ain't looking bueno
"You can stick that badge up your ass"
The underlying theme of both Red Dead Redemptions is how revenge is an idiots game, it's literally what caused thr gang to implode. Revenge on the braithawaits, revenge on Bronte, revenge on cornwall
And John's revenge on Micah is what sealed his fate
People say this all the time, no that was not the cause, even if he didnt go after Micah they would've found his real name on the loan and caught him that way.
They showed edgar ross at micah's body at the end. I feel like that was the motive to really go after john
Why emphasise it otherwise
People also say this all the time and yes it is lol. You could make the case that they might have eventually found John anyway, but the game makes it pretty clear that Ross was using Micah to take out the remainder of the gang just like he did in RDR1, John killed Micah, which led them directly to him
Maybe they would have eventually found him, MAYBE, but John going after Micah and killing their mole, leaded them directly to him where he was the only one they could really use
Theres literally NOTHING in the game that says Micah's death was the cause of RDR1, How would they know it was John who killed him? The only place where John put his real name was the loan, he didnt autograph micah's dead body.
Micah was retconned
Sure in the credits they show ross and fordham finding Micah's body and asking around for who killed him, but its not said that was the cause of RDR1
The end credits literally show how Micah's body led a direct trail to finding John lmao
I think its strongly implying it was the cause
There wouldnt be much reason to show it otherwise
Has to tie in somehow
So many people try and go this "gotcha" thing whenever you point out that John killing Micah was what sealed his fate and it's so annoying. That's clearly what the game was implying even if you could make the case that they might have eventually found him
And how exactly do you know it was John they were looking for? They had no clue on who killed Micah yet, the credits show them asking around who might've. THE LOAN was the only place he put his real name, nowhere else.
See they make people think Micah was the cause
but he isnt
Idk how it lead back to john either but that seems to be the case regardless
imagine retconning Micah to make John being caught a revenge = bad story
definitely rockstar
They make people think Micah is the cause, but he really isn't. How else did they find his real name?
Yeah and they wouldn't have even been looking for someone else to do their dirty work if Micah were still alive
Consider it a plothole ig
more like a retcon
it's more of a retcon
Yea suppose so
I'm not saying that they wouldn't have eventually found John, I'm saying that the reason why they used John to kill the rest of the gang members was because he killed Micah, the guy they were using before him
Maybe they would have
a plothole should be the fact that the government still worked with micah for 8 years
But John killing Micah guranteed it
Once they figured that john was killing past gang members, why not leverage john to kill a few more
They never go after Sadie for getting revenge, yet its bad for John to?
Doesnt make sense
different braithwaite
I dont like molly
If John had never killed Micah, they might have eventually found him, but they wouldn't have kidnapped John's family and used him to do their dirty work
another person named braithwaite
she runs back into the fire after they burn down the manor
thars it
they would bro lol
it's literally RDR
No they wouldn't because they were using Micah for that until John killed him lol
that's literally RDR
bruh its a different person named braithwaite, more than one person has the same name
because he was in the van der Linde gang maybe?
a gang full of outlaws
who robbed a lot of banks
people
i wonder why they caught him
I know I'm talking about what would have happened if John DIDN'T kill Micah lol
what would happen is
is this a trick question?
RDR
If John DIDN'T kill Micah, the plot for RDR would be WAY different
that's it
the plot for RDR is literally without Micah
If John didn't kill micah, micah would have found john
and he still got caught lmao
I would kidnap micah and drag him behind my horse and then burn him
he'd still get caught anyway
or he'd die
Theyd just see that john has a family regardless and leverage that against him ig
no, don't you ever wonder what would have happened if arthur was on the ferry?
